The Ride 17 is a surprisingly great shoe. I would have never expected that I would like this shoe until I tried it. Very versatile and stable. I’m not the lightest runner in the world and so I prefer the controlled and energetic midsole over something softer and squishier. Also there is plenty of room in the fit and your toes are not scrunched together.
What a excellent comparison video. I like your graph on the bottom of the screen for each shoe. Hope you do more like this,it's a good concept. I just got my Boston 12s and love them.
Excellent comparison, Andy. I didn't realize the Hyperion Max was lighter than the Endorphin Speed. That surprised me a bit. But wow, what a rotation. Those are four solid shoes. Currently I've been using the Speeds, Novablast, and Hyperion Tempo for my rotation. I'm also curious to try the Rebel v4 as I've like previous versions. And I'd like to try the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 as well, so maybe someday I'll get those shoes on my feet. Too many choices!
Guess I a slower runner also (11:30 . 11:55 /mile) -- I have a pair of the Novablast 4 and was looking to get either the Hyperion Max or the Speed 4. -- Thanks for the review.
@@st4331 Long reply - sorry! I have not tried the Mach 6 so I cannot comment on that - I did try the Mach 5 but returned them after less than 20km/3 runs, within about 3k of each run I got hip pain with them, probably a me problem rather than the shoe but either way they did not suit my gait. For easy runs up to a steady pace the NB4 are absolutely fine, and for long/easy runs I would pick them over the speed 3. I tend to grab the Speed 3's for anything with speed, intervals, workouts etc. The speed 3's are surprisingly comfy, so I am sure you could do long/easy runs in them, but the NB4 are even more cushioned. I find the NB4 have better grip than the Speed 3, I wouldn't trust the speed 3's on wet/twisty courses with any chance of mud, where as the NB4 handle it fine (nothing special, but I am at least not worried I will fall over, unlike in the Speed 3s). For me its simple, Zone 2 or less I grab the NB4, Zone 4 or 5 the speed 3. Zone 3 Depends on the length, if long steady NB4, if short speed 3. Then race day Pro 3's
Great comparison video! I love the Hyperion Max! I have 2 pairs with over 300 miles and just got 2 new pairs. I need to order a few more pairs before you can’t get them. I’ve tried other shoes like Novablast 3, Endorphin Speed 4, etc but they don’t feel right for my running gait or cause blisters/hot spots in different places.
Boston 12 is the exact opposite of the Speed 3. Speed 3 feels amazing for the first 8k and then gets mushy in the forefoot. The Boston 12 is terrible in the first few miles but the longer the run the better they get.. Always start the run in the Boston 12 with WTF.. But return home after 20k with a big smile ❤..
I picked up the Hyperion Max off EBay for £80 over Christmas. Amazing shoe. Being a size 14uk the lightness is so noticeable. Great rocker and no mushiness.
Been using the Ride 15 and Speed 3 pairing for the past 2 years. Both shoes have done me very well for both easy and speed efforts and are coming to the end of their lives. After this review I think it is time to upgrade to the Ride 17 and Speed 4! I am curious to try the Brooks Hyperion Max but unsure if I'd enjoy the firmer ride.
ASICS Novablast, Brooks Hyperion Max, and Altra Escalante Racer are my current rotation. I have a ton of miles in the Brooks and Asics and they have been great performers and very durable. I feel similar to Andy inasmuch as the Hyperion Max being a great choice anywhere from a 5k to a marathon.
I think Boston 12 makes sense for you, it is comparable to the speed, can handle a lot of different paces but is firmer…. Also like 6 mm drop. Perhaps the weight is a drawback for you, it didn’t bother me.
Great video! I got the Hyperion Tempo a few years ago and it was the most disappointing shoe I ever owned. So much so that it continues to stop me buying another pair of Brooks
Today I can get the ride 17 for $80 or the Speed 4 for $105. Is there an obvious choice here? On foot in the store the ride 17 feels better. But that may change once going for a run. I don’t feel anything special in the Speed 4 whilst simply standing in it.
Don't bother with the Boston 12 LOL. Well unless you want to add another fairly heavy brick to your rotation. 345g for us for a similar use case to two shoes you featured here which you clearly like and are way lighter. After all if you can do long runs or nearly anything in a shoe at what 270g why would you want one at 345g that isn't a plush plodder.
@@hkim9151 That is largely what I had been using the Boston 12 for - mainly last summer though. It probably is something and nothing for me. If I want to go relatively faster or longer even in adidas could reach for the way lighter Adios Pro 3 but for easier runs sometimes I found it just a bit clunky and heavy.
Had the nova blast 4. Lost the bounce in less than 100k. The Novablast is super hot. Completely soaked after half marathon or more. Send the shoe back around 160k because the glue on the outer sole came undone. Very disappointed… Saucony all day everyone day among these.
@earson6011 In my opinion they are one of the best Brooks shoes. They are light, responsive and bouncy but not very soft. People that like very soft shoes will not like them.
Speed 4 and Ride17 all day. I think it's Saucony's year once again
The Ride 17 is a surprisingly great shoe. I would have never expected that I would like this shoe until I tried it. Very versatile and stable. I’m not the lightest runner in the world and so I prefer the controlled and energetic midsole over something softer and squishier. Also there is plenty of room in the fit and your toes are not scrunched together.
Great review Andy. You need to try the Boston 12.
What a excellent comparison video. I like your graph on the bottom of the screen for each shoe. Hope you do more like this,it's a good concept. I just got my Boston 12s and love them.
Excellent comparison, Andy. I didn't realize the Hyperion Max was lighter than the Endorphin Speed. That surprised me a bit. But wow, what a rotation. Those are four solid shoes. Currently I've been using the Speeds, Novablast, and Hyperion Tempo for my rotation. I'm also curious to try the Rebel v4 as I've like previous versions. And I'd like to try the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 as well, so maybe someday I'll get those shoes on my feet. Too many choices!
The novablast and speeds are a good combo buddy, they suit each other well!!
Good morning. Excellent comparison. I am not a fast runner, I prefer the saucony ride 17 or the Asics novablast 4. Like to Andy. Have a great friday.
Guess I a slower runner also (11:30 . 11:55 /mile) -- I have a pair of the Novablast 4 and was looking to get either the Hyperion Max or the Speed 4. -- Thanks for the review.
@@thomasaussem29 Hi. 👍
@@thomasaussem29 What did u get bro?
I have the Hyperion Max & they are awesome. Very light, slightly on the firm side but easy to get used to. Excellent grip & great to run fast in🤩
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Hyperion Max is likely my next purchase, entirely down to you mate
Literally just bought the Novoblast 4 and Speed 3’s, and then have endorphin pro 3 for all out. Great minds 👀😎
I have the same rotation
I've just bought the NB4 and Speed 3 in a sale (and the Mach 6). but haven't run in them yet. Which do you find better for long runs?
@@st4331 Long reply - sorry! I have not tried the Mach 6 so I cannot comment on that - I did try the Mach 5 but returned them after less than 20km/3 runs, within about 3k of each run I got hip pain with them, probably a me problem rather than the shoe but either way they did not suit my gait.
For easy runs up to a steady pace the NB4 are absolutely fine, and for long/easy runs I would pick them over the speed 3. I tend to grab the Speed 3's for anything with speed, intervals, workouts etc. The speed 3's are surprisingly comfy, so I am sure you could do long/easy runs in them, but the NB4 are even more cushioned. I find the NB4 have better grip than the Speed 3, I wouldn't trust the speed 3's on wet/twisty courses with any chance of mud, where as the NB4 handle it fine (nothing special, but I am at least not worried I will fall over, unlike in the Speed 3s). For me its simple, Zone 2 or less I grab the NB4, Zone 4 or 5 the speed 3. Zone 3 Depends on the length, if long steady NB4, if short speed 3. Then race day Pro 3's
Great comparison video! I love the Hyperion Max! I have 2 pairs with over 300 miles and just got 2 new pairs. I need to order a few more pairs before you can’t get them.
I’ve tried other shoes like Novablast 3, Endorphin Speed 4, etc but they don’t feel right for my running gait or cause blisters/hot spots in different places.
Boston 12 is the exact opposite of the Speed 3. Speed 3 feels amazing for the first 8k and then gets mushy in the forefoot. The Boston 12 is terrible in the first few miles but the longer the run the better they get.. Always start the run in the Boston 12 with WTF.. But return home after 20k with a big smile ❤..
I picked up the Hyperion Max off EBay for £80 over Christmas. Amazing shoe. Being a size 14uk the lightness is so noticeable. Great rocker and no mushiness.
Been using the Ride 15 and Speed 3 pairing for the past 2 years. Both shoes have done me very well for both easy and speed efforts and are coming to the end of their lives. After this review I think it is time to upgrade to the Ride 17 and Speed 4! I am curious to try the Brooks Hyperion Max but unsure if I'd enjoy the firmer ride.
ASICS Novablast, Brooks Hyperion Max, and Altra Escalante Racer are my current rotation. I have a ton of miles in the Brooks and Asics and they have been great performers and very durable. I feel similar to Andy inasmuch as the Hyperion Max being a great choice anywhere from a 5k to a marathon.
Fit question - The Midfoot / Forefoot in the Hyperion Max vs Speed 4.. Which is wider?
I think Boston 12 makes sense for you, it is comparable to the speed, can handle a lot of different paces but is firmer…. Also like 6 mm drop. Perhaps the weight is a drawback for you, it didn’t bother me.
I'll have to give the hyperion max a look now. Thanks.
Hello Andy, I would be interested to hear your thoughts about the Boston 12, if that pair ever heads your way, Cheers.
Boston 12 is a great long run shoe with a really durable outersole.
Endorphin Speed would be my favorite. Love the Hyperion Max but prefer the slightly more forgiving Speeds, as they feel a bit more gentle.
You have been introduced into the world of the speed now 🥰
Great video! I got the Hyperion Tempo a few years ago and it was the most disappointing shoe I ever owned. So much so that it continues to stop me buying another pair of Brooks
Nah… tempo was my best. Maybe you looking for super soft , and not responsive and firm.
@@hkim9151 nope, bought them at the same time as Endorphin Speed (loved them). Found the Hyperion lifeless with no return
I’m an Asics fanboy. Love most of them. But I want to branch out and try the Speed 4. Just have to wait for release date.
Today I can get the ride 17 for $80 or the Speed 4 for $105. Is there an obvious choice here? On foot in the store the ride 17 feels better. But that may change once going for a run. I don’t feel anything special in the Speed 4 whilst simply standing in it.
Boston 12 has been a great shoe for me across a range of paces. Takes a few miles to break in though
Andy, hoping the NB Rebel v4 is a pair your testing. Like to see how that compares with the Endorphin Speed 4.
Would love to get some if I can… possibky
no i would say the best are the Boston 12 and the Superblast
if you liked the takumi i’d recommend trying the boston 12
I reckon you'd enjoy the Boston 12
Don't bother with the Boston 12 LOL. Well unless you want to add another fairly heavy brick to your rotation. 345g for us for a similar use case to two shoes you featured here which you clearly like and are way lighter. After all if you can do long runs or nearly anything in a shoe at what 270g why would you want one at 345g that isn't a plush plodder.
Hi Tim, How about Boston 12 as a recovery shoe to do those easy miles…. 😊nevertheless . It is an upgrade from the Boston 10-11.
@@hkim9151 That is largely what I had been using the Boston 12 for - mainly last summer though. It probably is something and nothing for me. If I want to go relatively faster or longer even in adidas could reach for the way lighter Adios Pro 3 but for easier runs sometimes I found it just a bit clunky and heavy.
If the Boston 12 is such a good shoe, I feel Adidas should give it to anyone that bought the Boston 10 or 11 for free as an apology.
Had the nova blast 4.
Lost the bounce in less than 100k. The Novablast is super hot. Completely soaked after half marathon or more.
Send the shoe back around 160k because the glue on the outer sole came undone.
Very disappointed…
Saucony all day everyone day among these.
I agree, novablast is hot on foot in long runs as i li\ive in tropical country. What is you daily trainer right now?
New balance rebel 4 is getting rave reviews. I'm sure you get a pair earlier than most but release is in about a week
I’d love too but I don’t have a contact at new balance 😂 I would love to try them though
I found the Speed 3 mushy in the forefoot after an hour or so.. Is the Speed 4 firmer in the forefoot?
Yes
I would be interested to know how you compare the Noosa Tri with the Hyperion Max... :)
Haven’t tried the noosa tri sadly!
Hyperion max all day long …. Even the Hyperion tempo can smash the other 3. 😊
Has the Hyperion max have a carbon plate
No plate at all. Not even a nylon one!
@@TolunayOrkun Are they a good shoe the hyperion max
@earson6011 In my opinion they are one of the best Brooks shoes. They are light, responsive and bouncy but not very soft. People that like very soft shoes will not like them.
@@TolunayOrkun Many thanks for your response
No plate and beautiful rocker shape to move you through your gait cycle
No Adidas ? Sadge ...