The Speed 2 was almost a carbon copy of the 1. I’m finding it wild how you loved the 1 but couldn’t get on with the 2. As a 210lb runner, I’ve put nearly 500 miles in my Speed 2s and they’re still like new. That midsole just keeps on giving!
I loved v1, loved v2 even more (more supportive upper IMO so slightly more stable) and am still finishing a pair of 2’s. I also have a pair of v3 which is still pretty versatile if a little less exciting. I will definitely be picking of the 4 when the pairs I have are done.
Thanks Emily for this excellent review. Love the V3 found it much more versatile than the 1&2 although agree it was at the expense of their ‘edge ‘ and as I have only 100 miles on my current pair of V3 won’t be rushing out to buy the V4 especially at the launch price of £180 here in the UK 😱 ( they’ll be discounted soon)
Love the 2. I remember when SJD said something about it seemed slightly more firm than the 1 (I honestly think he was imagining things, as he sometimes does, and comparing a heavily broken in shoe with a new one) and everyone jumped on the idea that the 2 wasn't as good 😂. It was as good.
Congrats on 20K Funny how the shoes feeling changes from one another as I was much more thrilled by the 2 than the 1s (maybe because I got the 1s after the 2s) but the mesh on my 1s has a hole where the 2s haven't... even though I ran 150k more in the 2s (850k counting), I choose more often the 2s than the 1s when doing speed work
I was a big fan of version 1 and wish I had kept it once it wore out but I’m glad I’m glad the 4 is trending in the right direction. PS…love your toque
Laced on a pair (earlier version) yesterday and went on a run. Haven't run in them in awhile...had the original wow experience again. I have A LOT of shoes btw 😁. Currently listening to this review now...on we go....😊
OMG this is the review I’ve been waiting for 🎉 Great video Emily. I loved the ES2 but couldn’t get on with the ES3…gave me PF issues for anything over 10 miles. The ES3 also had a winged plate…? But from what you’re saying, this is a redesign…? Hoping they fixed this in the ES4….i only have 90 miles left on my SC V2 and need to replace soon. Desperately want the ES4 to work for me…8mm drop and PWWRUN PB is heaven! Congrats on 20k - you ROCK ❤
Thank you so much David! Yes the es3 had a winged plate but this one is designed differently. It’s thicker, more rigid etc in hopes to create more propulsion and stability!
I bought the 3 on sale just to for the experience and see what all the hype was about. I'm getting this one only for the way it looks. I have the feeling the 3's will become my walking shoes.
I’d be curious to hear your comparison of the speed 1 versus 4 after running in the speed 1 again now (if you still have a pair lying around). Sometimes we have very fond memories of something that gets inflated over time. I remember some cartoons I absolutely loved as a kid (I’m 47 now), and watching them now has me realizing they didn’t age well !
Lol there is probably some truth to that for sure. Though I ran my speed 1s into the ground so they’d probably feel terrible compared to a fresh pair of ES4s anyway 😂
I have had all 3 versions of Endorphin Speed before this one. I still have a Speed 1 OG in my rotation (about 200 miles) and I am still amazed how good the shoe was. After that is retired I still have 2 Speed 2 (one of the RunShield version) in box. I got Speed 3 but it doesn't have the agility or bounciness of the original. It is an easy day shoe for me. There won't be a second pair of that version in my rotation. v4 looks good but a lot of reviews are saying that it is closer to v3 than v1/2. I am not excited for that reason. I don't need another daily trainer. I will most likely pass on v4. At this increased price level, I think I would probably pay $30 more and buy ASICS superblast instead after my Speed 2's is out. Buy then SuperBlast will probably going to be discounted :)
Speed 1 is almost same as speed 2. Only minor changes in regards to the upper (more ventilation holes and pull tab). That was it. I say they are identical. Though Speed 3 is totally another shoe experience …bad.
You mentioned that your pinky toe was uncomfortable with the Endorphin Pro 3. Did you have that problem with the Speed 3 and does it happen with the Speed 4? I am asking because my right pinky toe does get uncomfortable with the Speed 3 after 50 mins. Thanks!
Hi agree with the forefoot feeling flat but I’m still in the speed 3 wondering t upgrade to the 4 but if it’s still flat then maybe not. Anything you recommend very similar with a bit more something under the forefoot? Aiming to run in them for a marathon in 4:30hr Thanks!! X
I thought the winged plate debuted in v3? I could be wrong. V3 was too soft for me and bottom heavy. Couldn’t land midfoot in it. Runs were a slog in it.
Yes the 3 had a winged plate, this one is just redesigned to be thicker, it’s more rigid, which is to help with propulsion and stability through the foot strike
As much as I love all the good things in Speed 4, its forefoot is a bit tight for me and made me suffer PF. After 50 miles, I decided to sell this wonderful pair 😢
The 3 is my first exposure to this shoe and I really love it, however, with stability shoes in my rotation, I'm wondering how the 4 compares with regard to stability? The 3 isn't bad, but I don't see a remarkable difference in width, so I'm wondering if the slightly thicker plate might give it that little bit of extra stability from the 3...
Speed 3 was a terrible shoe. How many screw ups did Saucony. Lateral rubbing, mainly that Saucony rand. And "hot spots". Even Kofuzzi complained. And no comfort at all from the midsole.
It definitely feels a bit firmer than the 3. So far, I’m loving it and might knock the Boston 12 out of my favorite daily spot.
This the best colorway I seen on a shoe in a minute
Loved the 2 hated the 3. So getting the 4 ❤
Big speed fan and the outsole was my only prior issue. You’re the only shoetuber so far that went in depth with the new outsole so thank you.
Happy to help!
The Speed 2 was almost a carbon copy of the 1. I’m finding it wild how you loved the 1 but couldn’t get on with the 2. As a 210lb runner, I’ve put nearly 500 miles in my Speed 2s and they’re still like new. That midsole just keeps on giving!
Sometimes that just happens to me
I had the speed 3’s and realized I had been running in them for 2 years. 😂. Durable shoe.
Loved the 1’s, passed on the 2’s, ran a marathon in the 3,s. Can’t wait to try the 4,s! Thanks for another stellar review Emily!
Hated throwing out my Speed 1’s they were so great
I’m still working on my 3rd pair of the Speed2’s! I might skip Speed3 and go for this when I’m ready.
Can’t wait to try it. I have had every version. The 2 was my favorite. Great music during the run portion of video. Keep up great work
Nostalgia is the best v1 white blue orange and neon. Love that shoe
I loved v1, loved v2 even more (more supportive upper IMO so slightly more stable) and am still finishing a pair of 2’s. I also have a pair of v3 which is still pretty versatile if a little less exciting. I will definitely be picking of the 4 when the pairs I have are done.
Great review. Thanks for testing in the rain! We appreciate it!!
Thanks Emily for this excellent review. Love the V3 found it much more versatile than the 1&2 although agree it was at the expense of their ‘edge ‘ and as I have only 100 miles on my current pair of V3 won’t be rushing out to buy the V4 especially at the launch price of £180 here in the UK 😱 ( they’ll be discounted soon)
Wow..alot of these new updates are proving that running shoes can be both functional and aesthetically pleasing!
Congrats for 20.000 subscribers!
Thanks! 😃
Love the 2. I remember when SJD said something about it seemed slightly more firm than the 1 (I honestly think he was imagining things, as he sometimes does, and comparing a heavily broken in shoe with a new one) and everyone jumped on the idea that the 2 wasn't as good 😂. It was as good.
I don’t love anything as much as the OG
Sun makes all the difference. Sun finally came out in PA yesterday and it was glorious. As always, thanks for the review!
Congratulations on 20K!!!
Thank you!!
I agree with you. The #1 was magic! I thought I was the only one who didn’t like the #3! You’ve given me hope. I may try the #4!
Congrats on 20K!!! Woohoo. Love the update, but have to work my way through V3 (got on sale for $89 CDN).
Thank you!
Congrats on 20K
Funny how the shoes feeling changes from one another as I was much more thrilled by the 2 than the 1s (maybe because I got the 1s after the 2s) but the mesh on my 1s has a hole where the 2s haven't... even though I ran 150k more in the 2s (850k counting), I choose more often the 2s than the 1s when doing speed work
daaamn Ang I thought we had it bad when I had not seen the sun for 4 days… glad you powered through
Congrats on 20K!
RUBY.......you are sooooooo cute! 💞 🐕
Thank you so much!!
I was a big fan of version 1 and wish I had kept it once it wore out but I’m glad I’m glad the 4 is trending in the right direction. PS…love your toque
Already got them, 1st run is tomorrow , loved the 1 , 3 were average, hoping to share your views on 4 🤞
Congrats on 20k !!! You put so much work into it, you deserve it!!!
Thank you so much!!
Laced on a pair (earlier version) yesterday and went on a run. Haven't run in them in awhile...had the original wow experience again. I have A LOT of shoes btw 😁. Currently listening to this review now...on we go....😊
i dont even care too much about the ES4, but somehow your vid cheered me up. was a rough day today. thank you for that.
So sorry to hear you’re having a rough day but I’m glad I could put a smile on your face. I hope your day gets a little better 😊
@@RunLikeHeller thx Emily, you have a nice day too.
please do compare Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 against Adidas Boston 12, Puma Deviate Nitro 2, and Nike Zoom Fly/Pegasus/Invincible
Congrats on 20k! Well deserved.
Thanks Drew!
Great review ! So pleased to hear that the outsole grips .. just ordered a pair in the orange colour way £150 in the uk with a discount code 🤩
Congrats on the 20K!!! So 🔥 🔥. Haven’t tried ANY of the Saucony endorphin line. Might have to fix that this year!
Thank you!! Yes give them a shot!
OMG this is the review I’ve been waiting for 🎉 Great video Emily. I loved the ES2 but couldn’t get on with the ES3…gave me PF issues for anything over 10 miles. The ES3 also had a winged plate…? But from what you’re saying, this is a redesign…? Hoping they fixed this in the ES4….i only have 90 miles left on my SC V2 and need to replace soon. Desperately want the ES4 to work for me…8mm drop and PWWRUN PB is heaven! Congrats on 20k - you ROCK ❤
Thank you so much David! Yes the es3 had a winged plate but this one is designed differently. It’s thicker, more rigid etc in hopes to create more propulsion and stability!
I bought the 3 on sale just to for the experience and see what all the hype was about. I'm getting this one only for the way it looks. I have the feeling the 3's will become my walking shoes.
I only had arch problems in the 3's. Have they fixed that?
No arch issues for me here
Big fan of V3 and Ruby! Perhaps will get the v4👌
Speed 2 was my favourite shoe - skipped the 3 due to adverse reviews - keen to try the 4 once the price is reduced 😊
When ever I want to know about a shoe I go strait to Heller.😀
What are the main rivals to the speed 4 in your opinion, great review by the way
Sc trainer v2, puma deviate nitro, Hoka machx
Shoes look Nice 👌
Definitely want to chk out these shoes and I think ruby is also missing the sun. Hi ruby
Great review. Any word on a wide model again this time? Can't find one online
Unsure but will report back if I find out
Thanks. Just one more reason you are my favorite person on Insta and YT
I’d be curious to hear your comparison of the speed 1 versus 4 after running in the speed 1 again now (if you still have a pair lying around). Sometimes we have very fond memories of something that gets inflated over time. I remember some cartoons I absolutely loved as a kid (I’m 47 now), and watching them now has me realizing they didn’t age well !
Lol there is probably some truth to that for sure. Though I ran my speed 1s into the ground so they’d probably feel terrible compared to a fresh pair of ES4s anyway 😂
I have the light blue Speed 1. It looks great
I have had all 3 versions of Endorphin Speed before this one. I still have a Speed 1 OG in my rotation (about 200 miles) and I am still amazed how good the shoe was. After that is retired I still have 2 Speed 2 (one of the RunShield version) in box. I got Speed 3 but it doesn't have the agility or bounciness of the original. It is an easy day shoe for me. There won't be a second pair of that version in my rotation. v4 looks good but a lot of reviews are saying that it is closer to v3 than v1/2. I am not excited for that reason. I don't need another daily trainer. I will most likely pass on v4. At this increased price level, I think I would probably pay $30 more and buy ASICS superblast instead after my Speed 2's is out. Buy then SuperBlast will probably going to be discounted :)
What camera do you use for these video. Looks crisp 🙌🏻
Thank you! Sony a7cii with a sigma 16mm lens
So...fluo green anytime soon?
Which would you choose, kivara pro or speed 4?
Speed 4 all day I really don’t like the Kinvara pro that much
@@RunLikeHellerwhich is more stable?
Speed 1 is almost same as speed 2. Only minor changes in regards to the upper (more ventilation holes and pull tab). That was it. I say they are identical. Though Speed 3 is totally another shoe experience …bad.
You mentioned that your pinky toe was uncomfortable with the Endorphin Pro 3. Did you have that problem with the Speed 3 and does it happen with the Speed 4? I am asking because my right pinky toe does get uncomfortable with the Speed 3 after 50 mins. Thanks!
No issues with my pinky toe in any of the shoes you mentioned!
Hi agree with the forefoot feeling flat but I’m still in the speed 3 wondering t upgrade to the 4 but if it’s still flat then maybe not. Anything you recommend very similar with a bit more something under the forefoot? Aiming to run in them for a marathon in 4:30hr Thanks!! X
New balance sc trainer v2!
I thought the winged plate debuted in v3? I could be wrong. V3 was too soft for me and bottom heavy. Couldn’t land midfoot in it. Runs were a slog in it.
Yes the 3 had a winged plate, this one is just redesigned to be thicker, it’s more rigid, which is to help with propulsion and stability through the foot strike
Speed 3 has a winged plate!
Yes thanks! The plate is still constructed differently being thicker/more rigid!
Which has better energy return? The REBEL V4 or Speed V4?
Speed
As much as I love all the good things in Speed 4, its forefoot is a bit tight for me and made me suffer PF. After 50 miles, I decided to sell this wonderful pair 😢
Ran a half marathon in 1998 un nike airmax... no special shoe was needed. No blisters or hot spots.
Damn, it's going to be a hard decision between the rebel v4 and this one!
If I had issues with the heel counter on the 3 agitating my Achilles do you think the 4 will do so?
Hmm I don’t think so
@@RunLikeHeller thanks
Still waithing for the White Mutant Colorway
How’s the toebox?
Totally fine for me
At least it looks good.
This vs the rebel v4?
The 3 is my first exposure to this shoe and I really love it, however, with stability shoes in my rotation, I'm wondering how the 4 compares with regard to stability? The 3 isn't bad, but I don't see a remarkable difference in width, so I'm wondering if the slightly thicker plate might give it that little bit of extra stability from the 3...
I do think it’s more stable than the 3!
Don’t run in the rain.
Speed 3 was a terrible shoe. How many screw ups did Saucony. Lateral rubbing, mainly that Saucony rand. And "hot spots". Even Kofuzzi complained. And no comfort at all from the midsole.
Puma Deviate Nitro 2 is much more reacitv than this
Doesn't work for everyone. I hate the DN2!
It’s not wide enough for most normal feet. If puma could make an actual normal width shoe they’d be amazing
@@Fozzee.1970yes same Thoughts.
For me it feels like the Plate works against me in the DN2.
It feels not right or fast for me.
Yup love the puma forever run but the deviate nitro 2 didn’t work for me either.
@@pbnotj1 and i like the Magnify Nitro 2 but also dont like the Deviate Nitro 2😅