American Tiger; The Northrop F-5C
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After being a pilot for 45 years, I finally learned how the F-5 came into the U.S.A.F. inventory. Thanks! I would love to see you do a comparison between the A-4 and the F-5 if you're ever looking for a topic. I never knew the A-4 and the F-5 were ever competitors. Sincere thank you for all your work on these videos. I look forward to them.
That would make for a very interesting video
I've long had a soft spot for the F-5. Not big and flashy, or expensive, like many of its contemporaries, but a great little workhorse.
Also just really pretty!
@@mycatistypingthis5450Yeah, it's gorgeous....it would be so cool to have a T-38 just to fly around in.
A good example of if it looks right, it flies right
The F-5 is always worthy of coverage, I'm very happy you chose to do this video.
One of the most iconic and beautiful aircraft in history, the F5-E especially.
She's a beautiful little bird.
a good looking plane
Reliable, affordable,serviceable….and if Northrop had charged an outrageous price , maybe then the AirForce would have bought some …
Not sure about that. Not big and complex enough for them.
Short legs and even shorter legs if fitted with ordnance. Everything in engineering has drawbacks.
@@bigblue6917 no 600$ toilet seat
@@FirstDagger perfect for The Baltics and small nations
@@stephenrickstrew7237And all went Viper or Hornet instead. Even F-20 was at it limits. The lack of hardpoints was just a detriment when compared to the opposition.
I have this model 50 years ago when I was a kid.. it's still my favorite looking jet of all time I think
My favorite Thunderbird aircraft, simply beautiful
2 of my favourite jet aircraft the A-4 and the F-5... both excellent lightweight workhorses without much glory but they did a wonderful job...
That availability rate given the climate and use is flabbergasting.
Years ago I compared the F-5 to the original Miata to my buddy who was also into cars and planes. Sweet looking little machines that are nimble, efficient, and reliable. I compared my Miata to my Cadillac XLR which was very capable but so much more complex and a much higher cost to own/maintain and more systems to go wrong as well, and related that to the F-5 vs. an F-15 (or probably more closely an F-22, the F-15 being legendarily effective as well).
Good call! The 'Skoshi Tiger' qualifies as a 'forgotten' variant of the F-5 line.
I remember a news clip from '75 which was reported to be of an F-5 whose pilot had gone over to the Communists, bombing RVN facilities.
Hi Ed.
There's an interesting postscript on the Skoshi Tiger from Wings of Fame Vol 5 (1996).
"Sometime after the war in Vietnam ended, Lieutenant Colonel Dick Williams was in Malasia when it received F-5's from the United States.
The country had ordered 65 aircraft, which were flown to Malasia in five C-5 transports. He was standing on the ramp as another C-5 came into the landing pattern. William asked the Malaysian air force chief of staff why they had not ordered any ground support equipment for the F-5. There was no direct answer.
About an hour after the C-5 had landed, some large Soviet transports arrived. They were carrying ground support for the malaysian F-5's.
It was all crated, and on the yellow instrumentsinside the crates was stensiled 'Skoshi Tiger'.
It was all the F-5 equipment that had been captured when Vietnam fell.
The Malaysians has bought it from the North Vietnamese and had been delivered by the Russians"
Internet lore has it that some of the surviving aircraft were transferred to the Soviet Union after the war. The Ruskie pilots evaluated the crap out of them and loved them dearly as dogfighters.
I've always liked this aircraft!!! Just looks fast!!!
The golden age of aircraft design when there was a company designing planes for every niche market imaginable.
The F5 is a beautiful plane with excellent acrobatic performance. BUT, it gets that performance by having only light weaponry so it doesn't really pack much of a punch. So it works great for training missions where you don't *want* to fire for real, but it's less good at actual missions where you do. The invention of the excellent Sidewinder series of missiles did give it the ability to carry a few of these rather lightweight anti-air weapons, making it work in the role of a cheap fighter allied countries could afford. But the US Air force didn't have plans to use it because it prefers planes that can do both fighter and ground-attack work, and the ground attack role requires bigger, beefier weapons.
The F-5 remind me of...me.
Simple, easy-to-maintain and very handsome.
Ummm... no.
Thank you for this, Ed.
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The most sexy looking tiger jet ever.
Honestly, I can watch endless videos on variants & developments of the whole, beautiful F-5 family.
We had an F-5 [plus a few other types] just on the ground at the old Clarke air base/CSEZ in the 2010s. Thanks Ed.
I'm sure it was just a slip of the tongue, but Elgin is in Scotland next to Lossie and Kinloss. The test establishment in Florida is of course Eglin. Happy memories of the place, plus Hurlburt and Fort Walton Beach, before the developers moved in!
I caught that one too. Egg-len
Always happy to see something about the F-5. My goodness, is there an angle that it is not stunningly beautiful? For those who may not know, if you look on the internet, you can find a report from a Soviet test pilot who flew a captured F-5E against the latest MiG-21 and even against the MiG-23 Flogger. Result. If I've ever.
l loved F-5 and it was easy to fly.......Thanks Ed Nash......
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I've come to the conclusion that this is the only channel worth watching for aviation history. If you're ever nudged out of a top rating, explain it as "reasons"...
I can never get enough of how this thing looks. Always liked seeing them featured (very briefly) in the final battle in Platoon, when the commander calls in an airstrike on his own base. Never knew it to be historically accurate though. Come to think of it, 1986 was a good year for the F-5, being featured in both Platoon and of course Top Gun.
Such a gorgeous airplane. The F4 and F5 really started my love affair with design and are still among my favorites.
Edited to add: Love those tiny little leading edge extensions. This would have been about the same time Northrop was doing the early design work on another F5 derived project, the N300, which would become the YF17 Cobra and eventually the F18. You can really see the lineage.
Would you say the Saab Gripen is sort of the F-5 of today? Small, cheaper, multirole capable and easier to produce and manufacture?
I did know of this little testse ( and l read the letter and also heard the rumours !) That B57 looked pretty beaten up . Thanks Ed.
Much awaited, much appreciated looking forward to excellent insights as always from you.
I absolutely love this channel!!!!
This video implies that the F-5 was conceived by the USAF as an alternative to its existing more sophisticated fighters. That's not really the case, and USAF never planned to acquire the F-5 for its own use. The F-5 was designed as a low-cost fighter for allied air forces, not for USAF service. It was a spectacular success in that role, but it was never seriously considered for mainline service by USAF.
Also, the F-5 was not developed from the T-38, it was developed from the Northrop N-165. The contract for the T-38 came first, but both jets were developed from the N-156..
One of my favorite planes, just a beautiful and efficient aircraft. Thanks for this vid!
You mentioned the A-37 towards the end, have you done a video on that? It's a cool little plane as well, amazing how small it is.
It is a great looking aircraft for sure
Eglin AFB is pronounced Egg-Lynn. Bien Hoa is pronounced Ben Whah. The word Skoshi was shortened to skosh by American GIs and remains in common use in the US military, particularly in bars.
Yep…came here to post about “skoshi.” My understanding agrees with yours-it was picked up by American GIs during the occupation of Japan and shortened to “skosh.” But it has entered the common lexicon…it’s not that unusual in the US-even among civilians-to be asked to “move over a skosh.” I’ve always understood “skosh” to mean “a little” rather than “a few.” I wasn’t even aware of the latter meaning in Japanese until I watched this video.
@@jasonkrantz3643Same here. I never considered the origin of the word until I watched this video and thought Ed might have been mispronouncing it, so I checked the etymology.
A great little aircraft, are there any records of air to air engagements and how they faired?
I want one
A video on the a2d skyshark would be cool
I see them flying quite a bit here in Switzerland
But that's the Tiger II. The Patrouille Suisse was amazing.
Um caça incrível com um design a frente do seu tempo🌟
One of the prettiest planes ever. The NASA ones had the best paint scheme. They are still flying in Mexico and Spain.
The Fang was one of the best looking planes that never was, it would still look the part today.
Excellent
The Dutch had a variant of the F5 in service with was called the NF5 (Netherlands F5) it was developed by the Canadians specificly for the Dutch.
Yes, Canadair built those F5s for the Dutch. The problem is that they did not have the license from Northrop to sell them abroad. So they got hit with a massive fine and ended up losing money on the deal.
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Typicly the Dutch gouverment. They were sold after sitting in storage for decades after a very expensive overhaul to Turkey witch used them agains the Kurds.
As a avid warthunder enjoyer the f5c is the wallet warriors best friend. I also call it the rat of warthunder
The base was misnamed. It's actually Eglin AFB, not Elgin AFB. My dad was stationed there and kater I lived in the area for several years. Eglin AFB is the primary test facility for the USAF.
Sorry, I also seem to mispronounce it! Done it on a couple of videos now 🤦♂️
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters don't feel bad, alot of people do. Even seen it mispelled In several books
Interestingly, the "one" seat F-5 can fit two people. As several SouthVietnamese pilots found out in april of 75. And even 3 people, if you can belive that.
Chau Trinh was one of the F-5 pilots who landed at U-Tapao with himself and one passenger, and claimed in an interview that one F-5 landed shortly after him with 3 people in it.
There was a case of a British Spitfire pilot with his squadron in France at the end of the Battle of France who brought another pilot, French I believe, back with him to England.
@@bigblue6917 I think you'll find it was a Hurricane pilot, the Spitfire wasn't deployed to France in 1940, being retained in the UK for the defence of the country.
@@baronvonslambert The Germans had passenger pods that could be carried beneath the wings of the Ju-87 Stuka.
I cannot imaging a second person aboard an Fw-190 or Bf-109 - that would be a very tight fit, as they are small aircraft.
@@lancerevell5979as I understand it, there was space in the fuselage, behind the pilot? Not my cup of tea.
I believe I recall that Me 109s departing Tunisia in 1943 carried more than one person. Don't recall the dety.
I remember Dale Brown's moustache-twirling mercenary fighter squadron commander Salazar flew one of these.
Elgin is in Scotland. Eglin isn't. My kids called it 'Eggy'.
I just wish it had a bubble canopy.
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6:31 The magic of CC... Very interesting Anti-G Gorilla operations 😁
"Egg-lin" Air Force Base in Florida. ;-)
Hey look! A Philippine Air Force F5! 2:10
When the f5s where retired. The Philippine Airforce removed the m39 cannons of the f5 and used as a closed in AA system.
I've always thought the F5 was a beautiful design and it had the two engines so important to us tundra-bound Canuks who like to have that spare one...Out of curiousity, I met an old RCAF pilot who said they pilots would rather have had F4 Phantoms....anybody have any thoughts on why?
Yes, the F4 had lots better performance and armament, plus a radar and ECM gear, longer range air to air missiles. The F4 was a serious warplane. The F5 was not a serious warplane
@@PappyGunn Thanks!
@@DavidtheNorseman I guess we bought it because of politics, the Canadian ones were built in Montreal by Canadair.
@@PappyGunn Probably that and the lower cost. I mean the F-15 would have been perfect for us in the modern age, but who can afford to buy or run them outside of the USA, LOL??
@@DavidtheNorseman The F-15 was a generation later than the F-5. But if we consider that generation, there was a competition between the 15, 16, 18 and Tornado in the late 70s early 80s for a new Canadian jet. Canada picked the F-18. It was a very good choice, the F-18 was an outstanding multi role aircraft. Since Canada decided they could only afford to fly one jet, the air to ground capabilities of the F-18 came in handy in NATO work. The F-15 would have been better for NORAD role, but Canada has no boom tankers and tankers are essential in the north. Plus the 18 is more adapted to austere environment and shorter runways. It was a good plane.
"We happened to see a Mig-28 do a 4G negative dive." - Maverick
Eglin AFB, Florida, not "Elgin"!
know of one that was used to fairy out the Family and his crew chief during the fall.
"Reasons"
Aha! Thanks for the side note explaining the Tiger II designation. Love these tiny aircraft. They are dotted here and there in air museums all throughout SE Asia, having seen much use on this side of the globe.
I wonder what would've happened if the USAF had chosen the A-4 instead of the F-5 for use in South Vietnam?
How about the Hawker Siddley super sonic harrier replacement?
It never got off the drawing board, if it's the one I'm thinking of. Hawker P.1154?
Nearly said it never got off the ground, that BS.100 engine looked awesome, though I suspect it might damage whatever it was taking off from.
Hawkers' supersonic P1154 was before the Harrier GR1 the RAF eventually got in 1969. Along with the BAC TSR2 & a STO&L transport, ( the AW681?), the P1154 was cancelled by the then Labour government in 1965. During my time in the RAF I was lucky enough to work on Harrier GR3's, T4's, GR5's, GR7's & T10's courtesy of the Harrier OCU & always wandered how the P1154 & BS100 engine would have "matured" if they had been fully developed and entered RAF service. 40,000 lb of thrust anyone? 😃
1:05 What is this?
Sorry, but Douglas Aircraft had the same concerns about size and complexity hence the A-4D.
Still the best looking jet fighter ever.
Very diplomatic with the reasons. 😅
What about the F11F?
The F-5C wasn't the Tiger I just the Skoshi Tiger. That's not why the F-5E is the Tiger II.
F11F was Navy, though. I think the F-5E's name does refer to the Skoshi Tiger programme. The reference was continued, sort of, on the ill-starred F-20 Tigershark, too.
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Didn't some Vietnamese F-5s end up at "Top Gun" to be used as Aggressor aircraft?
No, those were Top Gun aggressor F-5Fs painted up.
Best aircraft per dollar
*And then the US Government* having set the scene for the F-5s superb F-20 successor
*Stabbed Northrop in the back & the wallet*
Northrop F-5 ...... A cracking good lightweight fighter in its day for all that
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Well the people that were bribed to buy Starfighters might have got a nice lump of money, but they also got Starfighters...so it balances the karma scales haha
Northrop lost to Lockheed because "reasons".😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Was Tiger the official name for the f5c or just the nickname given to it by the pilots
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Canada operated the F5. I worked briefly on its structure (dorsal longeron, 15% spar). It was designed in 1959 as an export for banana republics. Pilots liked the little scooter, but it was not a serious warplane for NATO work. Two 20 mm, ridiculously small loadout and range. No radar, no ECM, and only late addition of heat seekers. I hate to dissapoint the people that love the aircraft. It was not a bad aircraft, but it didnt belong on a modern battlefield.
The dual control variant, of which Canada had quite a few, made a good combat trainer. Quite right that the F-5 on the whole was a misfit for Canada, though. Much too small and lightly armed. Even the 104 was both those things...
@@stevetournay6103 You are right about the training value of the dual. You probably know that it was used for a time as an intermediate trainer to prepare pilots for the F18. For those that do not know, the F5, known as the CF116 in Canada, underwent an avionics upgrade, complete with a HUD in the nineties. Just in time to be mothballed when the Canadian Air Force downsized. It would have been the most cost efficient aircraft to operate in Fighter Group. Then of course the role was taken by Hawks, operated by a private consortium but flown by CF pilots. Those F5 rotted for years in a hangar in Ontario, looking for a buyer. We almost sold them to Turkey, as all NATO scrap used to go there, but Canada did not want them to be used as warplanes, theoretically against the Kurds. Not sure where they are now.
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One of the most annoying aircraft in War Thunder ^^
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Please, for the love of Edgar Schmued: do not stain these educational videos with the absolute cancer and blasphemy that is War Thunder
One of the most beautiful airplane ever made. Too bad it was crap.
Cum again - rich kid?
Well as a trainer it wasn't crap. But for air forces whose territory was large, yes, the F-5 as a combat type was not much use.