Guns-A-Go-Go; The Boeing Vertol ACH-47A
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My grandfather was the copilot on Cost of Living on 5 May '67. Thanks for putting this video together and paying tribute to these unique and special aircraft.
Flying and loitering heavy weapons platforms are always appreciated by the guys on the line.
If his aircraft was British it would be called the Cozzie Livs
Thanks to your Grandfather for being there. On the point of the spear. God Bless him.
I’d call it a “flying fire base.”
In 1967 I was one of three Decca Navigator Techs in the 1st Cav. One day we got a work order for an aircraft with a dead Decca computer (drove the map display). The E-5 that ran the Decca operation told me to take my camera and I got to meet Birth Control. Got another photo for your collection if you are interested.- Great Video - Russ
Thank you!
the evolution of the helicopter gunship, i worked in Cobra's in the mid 80's before moving on to the MH-60 DAP Blackhawks in the 160th SOAR. its amazing how far this type of conversion from utility to attack had gotten even then, now, 30 years later i can only imagine how far the curent generation of NightStalkers have taken this concept. thanks for putting this video together, NSDQ!
Legend has it that the crew named their ship 'Easy Money' because it was a large, slow moving target that Charlie would easily take down. As it was, it turned out to be the only survivor. Go figure.
Great video. When I was in the Air Cav, the old timers who had served in Vietnam would sing the praises of the ACH-47. While the Chinook is huge and looks ungainly, it's actually one of the fastest helicopters.
they often out ran their gunship escorts and had to be called back.. not a joke
It’s not one of the fastest, it’s THE fastest. I know everyone thinks the Apache is the “hot rod” of Army aviation, but it’s second place behind the Chinook.
Don't forget that, at this time, the AC- aicraft series also started to show up: AC-47, 119 and 130. Faster, longer ranged and just as heavily armed _or more_ and with room for more radios and night vision, these were great replacements for the ACH-47
Actually, the C-47/AC-47 is smaller/has LESS room than the Chinook. The AC-119/C-119 isn’t much larger either. And the A/ACH-47A was MUCH more heavily armed than either of those. You’re correct on the C-130 with the exception of night vision (they used huge spotlights as well as flares/flare ship planes) and “more radios” (not sure what you meant by that) 🤷♂️. Yes..they had speed, range and loiter time, but the Chinook also had the ability to hover and unleash pure hell as well as the ability to land right there and pick up troops while laying down immense cover fire (which happened a few times from what I’ve read).
@@bigdaddy7119 ... I don't think "hovering over a enemy firing on you" was a tactic they'd use. Pretty sure they'd keept at least some speed. Otoh, I will admit the ability to land anywhere was a plus. But, once the Cobras came out, they had that advantage. The AC-s then provided the heavy, fast firepower.
@@jlvfr key phrase “I don’t think”. I said they had the CAPABILITY and yes, they DID use that tactic a couple of times. Don’t get mad because I shot your post full of holes.
@@bigdaddy7119 I didn't and you didn't, so all good.
@@bigdaddy7119 They had night vision (depends on Version and timeframe) even the AC-119K used the AN/AAD-4 FLIR , AC-130 (in Vietnam) used FLIR Sensor too plus LLLTV ASQ-145 (low light level TV).
But the AC-47 and AC-119G had no such sophisticated Sensor Equippment.
Sry for bad engl.
Another reason this concept was not picked up as a standard application of the CH-47 airframe was because of the significant wear the M2 caused to the surviving unit. It was found after they got her back to the states there was massive fracturing all over the hull but mainly in the pintle mount locations. MaDuce was literally shaking Guns'a'gogo to pieces.
That’s the first I’ve ever heard of this. I was a 67U/CH-47 mechanic and know that they were designed to have either the M60D, OR the M2 as door and ramp guns. But then again, the A/ACH-47A’s saw a LOT more use from the pintle mounts than the regular CH-47’s, which didn’t use their guns quite as much.
That sounds like a design flaw in the mount. M2 is sometimes thought of as a very light autocannon but ww2 gave fighters banks of them in their wings and they were standard door guns on bombers. Heck you can shoulder fire a Barrett if you need to.
So it's probably a matter of the bit it was mounted to being aluminum or something.
@@molochi agreed, but I’m going to say maybe it was a different grade of aluminum as the aircraft you mentioned also used aluminum as well. Also…as I said in my earlier post, the Chinook was designed to have the Ma Deuce as door/ramp guns and they used them extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan. 🤷♂️
What about a .50 Gatlin?
The 20mm cannon one one of them came loose and shot the front rotor blade of one of those aircraft. I wonder how much wear and tear on the Chinook’s frame that caused.
It's interesting to note that French were going through similar evolution of their helicopter usage. Starting with machine gunners siting in Bell 47, and culminating with H-34 Pirate with rocket launchers and machine guns and cannons mounted in crew compartment.
This looks like the final boss in a late 80's video game!
You had a lot of fun with the ACH-47A's names in this presentation.
That was the names of the aircraft that its crews gave them during Vietnam
One of my CH 47 trainers was a Crew Chief on one of the Guns ago... Forgot which. I still have a photo of Easy Money somewhere. Thanks for Remembering this AC.
Love your channel !! Always enjoying your videos
Thanks so much!!
A true legend the bus has become, did some time in 1/6 Air Cav, Fighting Sixth , you would of thought the Apache, and Blackhawks would of been waiting on the bus. even when the bus was full of cargo it was quicker than the latter. Being a cargo bird and not a movie star she never be remembered like, hueys, and cobras. I didn't know about these dirty birds thank you for sharing and keeping the memories alive for all those that served in a war America wants to forget. Our fighting men did their job with honor and courage in a political war the government lost. I apologize for rambling thank you Edq
Thank you for your service!
Knowing from experience how badly the MK1s suffered with aft pylon structural fatigue cracking I am surprised that the 47A lasted as long as they did, the amount of hours I spent inside the aft pylon oil cooler fan housing area repairing and replacing all manner of damaged components is unquantifiable, it wasn’t until the MK2 and beyond that the issues were resolved to the point where it was unusual for the aft fuselage to have any major fatigue related issues, but I think most of that was down to far better rotor blades, rotor systems and vibration analysis techniques (rotortuning) but what do I know, I only had 12 years on them, Lol 😂. I loved the Chinook, best helicopter I ever worked on. Thanks for sharing this excellent video with us all, very interesting and informative stuff. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱
I currently work on 47’s. The D model to be specific. Cracks at the main formers at station 534 and 594 are still a thing. Much less frequent though
I used to pass the remaining airframe at Redstone every day on my way to work. It was definitely a favorite with the former Chinook pilots on staff, most of whom had never even heard of it.
My grandfather flew easy money, youngest man in guns a go go. Its great to see the efforts and the aircraft go noticed.
11:51 YES!!! I love it when they give these birds their due.
Thanks, Ed. I did come across this helicopter some years ago and my first thoughts were surely this is just one big flying target. But after reading about its use in Viet Nam I did wonder why many more were not used.
A couple of years ago I came across some interesting statistics with regards to the use of helicopters in Viet Nam with regards to combat time seen by US troops. In WW2 the average marine saw 40 days of combat while fighting in the Pacific. In Viet Nam a soldier would see 315 days of combat. Being able to move troops into and out of the field very quickly making the difference.
'with regard to' or (better, tighter) 'regarding'
Please kick me. All best.
@@notreallydavid No problem. I tend to just write my thoughts down and then edit them afterwards. But sometimes I miss something. And thanks
P.S. I just noticed I had written after instead of afterward. So I changed it before I get another correction.👍
The comparison of WW2 to Vietnam is very misleading if not outright wrong. Marines on Guadalcanal and other areas were in combat for a very long time. The Japanese were holding territories thar werent their home. Vietnam was an entirely different situation.
Vietnam was a Civil War so of course you could argue that as long Americans were in Vietnam anywhere they "were in combat". They were certainly not storming beaches and fighting an entrenched enemy that was occupying previously conquered territory. So using comparisons like you did is inaccurate. In WW2 troops were literally gone for years away from home with only letters to stay in touch. Tours were substantially shorter in Vietnam. Totally different.
Thanks for covering this, that experimental gunship era of 'let's put guns on everything that flies' had some really weird stuff, people remember AC47 a lot but the early weird Huey or Chinook gunship conversions were just batshit crazy.
Nice. I'll take two. One in Multi-Cam, one in Desert Camo.
Are you planning on covering the XB-15? It was bigger than the B-17, and only one was ever built.
Always love hearing about the ground-punding beast aircraft. These birds, the C-130 gunships Ed mentioned as their replacements, the A-10... there's just some primal appeal to a flying slab of armour stuffed full of heavy guns and missiles.
I never knew these aircraft existed. Thanks for this very informative episode.
Geez, it's like something I would have drawn when I was a kid
I would call it the Flying Murder Sausage. But damn those names are legendary.
Well, the AC-47, AC-119 and eventually AC-130 could bring to bear a *LOT* more firepower than the ACH-47 ever could. The introduction of the M134 7.62 mm and M61 20 mm Gatling cannons made the close air support much more destructive, especially when the AC-130 acquired the 105 mm cannon.
Very true, not to mention by the time the 130 came on station, they also brought along for the spooky, yet another brand of old school firepower to bear against the VC & NVA (its notorious reputation already battle tested & proven many times over, in the world wars, as well as korea, too) to be proven yet again, this time now in the jungles of nam... in the form of the (though swedish in origin) 40mm BOFORS cannon(s). Usually mounted by naval surface forces, primarily as a light to medium, short to intermediate range anti-aircraft defense; typically as a pair, in a twin-cannom mount, or sometimes even just a single cannon (like on some of the smaller naval vessels like PT (patrol, torpedo) boats, but more/most commonly, in a pair of twins (so therefore a quad) mounted configurations...and these were mounted in a sort of rotating, "open" type turrets, and served by a gun crew. In the case of the C-130 however, even though it was mounted as both a single, as well as a twin, set of canon, it would now alternatively, and rather ironically if you ask me, be utilized in more of a reversed role... Meaning instead of (naval/surface mounted) AA guns, these were now conversely aircraft mounted serving in an anti-surface capacity. Anything from anti-personnel, anti-vehicle (aka/"anti-tank"), anti-material, and even anti-structural... Basically any unarmored & lightly armored, and even some medium-armored targets (whether vehicles or structures), and the 40mm BOFORS, overall was basically more or less the intermediate step, or middle ground, in between the 25mm rotary cannon and the "hand of God" -the infamous 105mm howitzer, only now reinvented as the M102, to be used as an aircraft-mounted artillery asset & more so in a direct-fire role. And only recently has the air Force's newest variant, in the AC-130U, have they finally gotten rid of the 40mm BOFORS, and that's mostly because only fairly recently did we FINALLY run out of ammunition to feed the weapon platform, because the US not only no longer manufactures it, but HASN'T even made the 40mm shells since pretty much the end of the second world war. So ever since then, all these shells we've been firing out the left side of a Hercules in how many theaters of war & "special operations?" The answer is "EXACTLY." Kinda mind-boggling, isn't it?? Like how fuckin American is that shit!?? Lmao
Semper Fi
@@hippiesaboteur2556 Didn't they replace the 40 mm Bofors gun with a setup using the 30 mm Bushmaster gun?
Can you imagine the amount of firepower you could hang off the CH-53Ks. It's large and powerful enough for Marines to basically make an AC-130 that can land ship board
Funny, I was thinking & wondering the same damn thing myself just now, starting sometime during the middle portion of this video (probably when Ed mentioned that the SeaKings & a handful of other various different aircraft were considered & even tested out in the armed attack & fire support roles, during/I'm addition to the ACH-47)
@hippiesaboteur2556 That's when it popped into my head too. Every time we took helios somewhere we took Echo's. With just the troop benches you can still stretch your legs out. The King is supposed to have even more cargo space, heavier lift, and even faster than the echoes. I don't know about the Viper, but the whiskey and even apache could barely keep up with a light loaded 53. The F-35b is never going to plane the aircraft the Corps needs. The only reason we have fixed wing combat aircraft is to provide CAS for gunts on the ground. Put that 25mm with a more ammo. Modify that Italian 76mm they use as deck guns and a couple of packs of laser guided rockets.
Both the vipers & venoms have a hard time keeping up, and those are obviously significantly more advanced & capable airframes, even compared to the echoes...but now with the king stallions, even with its somewhat bigger footprint, still, it's even more powerful, mission capable, efficient & even faster than ever before; it is rather odd if/when you think about a stallion vs say a cobra, and yoi find out that (especially with the right pilot(s)), it'll smoke a snake all day/any day lol. Hell I've actually even saw with my own eyes this happen somewhere in the skies between MCAS New River/Lejeune & MCAS Cherry Point, and I didn't believe it til it happened lol. As far as the lightning II B variant (and you could ostensibly make the case for the C, too, although I feel it's probably a lot more applicable, practical, justifiable, etc that when particularly involved in a CAS role/config it makes a much stronger & more likely case of actually being utilized in combat by marine aviators, rather than the Navy but I digress) i know that they can technically mount 25mm gun pods (on either variant) but i also agree that it tends to make more sense to affix a permanent internally-mounted rotary cannon, like the USAF's F-35A Lightning II JSF. the main problem with this tho, from what both I understand & have been told firsthand from my cousin & a few other guys that work/have worked on ALL variants, both US DoD & even various allied nation F-35s, is that obviously the navy's C variants have to be smaller for aircraft carrier operations, and the Marines, not only actual carrier ops, but (due to the B's V/STOL design & capabilities vs the C's STOL/carrier designation) the Marines' F-35s more commonly are deployed/operating off LHAs (amphibious assault ships) and there's even less deck & storage space than a carrier, so their variant is the smallest of the 3... Quite a bit smaller, actually; it's kinda crazy, but obviously an aircraft has to have a considerable amount of space to mount a fuckin rotary cannon lol, plus that much more once you take into account the magazine space for 25mm shells, AND the whole feeding system. Hell, increase that by 5 more mm, for a 30 Mike-Mike, and start contemplating what the A-10's (7 barrel) avenger rotary cannon, the actual size of 30mm depleted uranium shells, the times those by enough to fill/load its mag & feed system, well you soon finally realize that they (initially General electric came up with the avenger 30mm rotary cannon, and next Fairchild Republic with the rest of the plane, but they) literally fuckin built gun first, then followed by building the rest of the damn plane around it... How American of us, heh. I've watched mostly the Marines getting stick time, but occasionally do see other branches out there getting theirs too, but as skeptical as I've been about the JSF over the years, it's opened up my eyes & changed a few things about my mind over the years... Idk, I guess for some critics it can somehow still end up growing on you. I actually just spent part of 2021, ALL of 22, and some of 2023 building the first of several brand new F-35 hangars down on the flightline up at Cherry point, and as matter of fact, im actually in the process of trying to go to work for the fleet readiness center there next in life... But even if you're still not/never a fan of the JSF, don't worry... Literally just found out within the last few days that the Marines are extending the AV-8B Harrier IIs service life an additional 6 more years in the fleet (when they were initially planned on being phased out already either last year or this year), so they'll still be around for awhile longer my friend.
Oh and btw, one thing I wanted to ask you about was the Italian 76mm gun you were referring to... Is that the same gun as their new, updated version of the (old famed) BOFORS cannon, or is that like some kind of (whatever their) naval/deck guns are?? Or am I way more off lol, cheers
Hippiebottom is ai.
Boeing Boom-Boom-Bus would've had a nice ring to it as well, if you ask me...
Bet that chin turret converted to 20 mike mike would have been a real party favor. As it was, i hear the nva were quick to learn not to shoot at the 47s when these were in the air.
Bizarre.. these were obviously a very useful organic support asset... should have made more of these..
I can't believe this is real! I'd love to go see Easy Money on display one day. Awesome video!
My father flew CH-21's in '62-'63 and remembered when the UH-1Cs took over close support from A-1 Skyraiders. He was not impressed. The loaded UH-1C could barely keep up with the CH-21s and could only make one pass over the LZ whereas the A-1 could make a pass with the landing '21s and make a pass as they were departing. He left before the ACH-47 was in service and came back in '71 after they were gone. After flying the CH-21 for about 10 years he was more than happy to fly the U-21 (Beech KingAir)
All it was missing was a couple of miniguns, a howitzer and a Bofors gun. Then it would've been an ACH-47S. Now that would've been an annihilator!
Great video, Ed...👍
I can imagine the absolute war pig, that this chopper would be with modern updates.
I had no idea these had done such extensive and good work for the Air Cav. Thanks, Nash!
Most people don’t realize how much faster and more maneuverable the Chinook was compared to a Huey. The modern versions have to slow down when being escorted by Apaches or Blackhawks.
Fascinating, I have never heard of this!
Guns a Go Go .. Now there’s a Title for a Movie …Perhaps fuse the Directing styles of Roger Corman , Russ Myers and sprinkle some Fellini over the top … ?
The first US military death in Vietnam was September 1945 when OSS Colonel A. Peter Dewey was shot and killed by the Viet Minh who thought he was a French officer when he cursed them out in fluent French for delaying him at a road block. It is worth noting that the French in Vietnam had collaborated with ther Japanese during the occupation while the Viet Minh had been the resistance and had taken control of much of the country after Japan surrenderd.,
My dad had a friend who was in vietnam and was a spec ops guy who cleared forests with a double or triple minigun mount turrets and this guy said it would just cut down the forest in hundreds of meters and they just spun the chinook around
COOL!
10:11 Mighty Caribou in the background.
Some years later when I was attending Command and General Staff College there was a mention of this aircraft in some text. However it was referred to as the “Go-Go Bird” not “Guns-A-Go-Go”. We all knew it as Guns-A-Go-Go and didn’t get any explanation for the misnomer.
I surmise that using the word guns is distasteful to some academics, or Gen. Tolson’s comment stuck.
Mmmm, a little confused here. From memory, the VERTOL is the smaller CH-46 and the CH-47 is the Chinook. Similar two rotor lay out but totally different airframes. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
Boeing Vertol built both the Sea Knight and the Chinook. Nice business for them!
Hi Ed, great job as always! Two quick suggestions for some other forgotten aircraft that I feel are often missed by: Vought F6U-1 Pirate and Douglas F6D Missileer. Just a humble suggestion, keep it up with the great work! And happy new year
Great suggestions and very much on the list 😁
5:30 ah yes the best name : stump jumper...cost of living....ez money.....BIRTH CONTROL! hahahaha
I've visited Easy Money. Quite the impressive machine.
Great info on a little known aircraft.
Lol, I'm a retired truck driver, and "Stump Jumper" was my CB moniker (handle). Ironic...
A great very interesting video and rotorcraft Mr.Ed as always have a good one.Did the soviet union or other countries have the equivalent of this ACH47A during the Cold War during the same period when these ACH47As were active?
armed mi-8 would be the closest thing
pic of one
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Ok a good start to the video. You obviously haven’t read ‘A bright Shining Lie’ by Neil Sheehan if you think that the first helicopter assault by ARVN troops was a success!
Think the only time i have ever seen one of these before was a model kit in a toyshop about 30years ago.
FYI Chinook is pronounced "Shinook", as are the First Nation people and the weather phenomena.
You mean it's NOT 'Sh*t Hook'??! 😜
Idk how this ever became normal, its like if nazis named their new tank a jew tank.
Pacific salmon as well ?
@@petesheppard1709That's not funny, but it is disrespectful.
@@pike100 It is a slang term used by soldiers.
Hilarious naming
I worked with a guy who was a mechanic on this system.
ty, i love gunships
One of my favorites. I actually wrote an article about how this concept (slightly modified) should make a comeback.
What, fill out an Osprey or something with guns and rockets?
Now THAT is a Chinook with ATTITUDE!!!
Should have just called it "Shooty McShootface"
So, another entry into that thankfully short list of "Aircraft that shot itself down".
Ah yes this. Only once in the pc game “MIA Missing In Action” which I get to fly the ACH-47A.
Whoa, dude. Holy shit. Is/was that that game, from like back in the late 1990's-early 2000's, on PC, where you get to fly around in a bunch of different helos (& i think even a harrier too maybe) in Vietnam???
@@hippiesaboteur2556yep and as CPT. John Mann. His story in the game is kind of strange too.
Man, the names. I though an M113 named "Beaver's Abortion" was weird.
The AC 130's helicopter cousin.
thanks
December 1968 I was at Vung Tau for Army Aviation Refresher Training School. aka AARTS. One was there as a training aid. Can not remember which one. I eventually finished the Army at Bear Cat in Long Thanh June 1971; B Co 228 1st Cav engine mech CH 47 A models.
My late mother called it the "flying banana" in 2010 when I saw one fly over Manchester.
A small part of “easy money” is that the Army aviation museum in Fort Rucker/Novasel. Not sure if the actual aircraft is in Redstone anymore. Been trying to find out
Yes it is.
@@alnbama it is. I actually talked to peo Redstone yesterday and they said it was off of Woods Road. I’m going to go this week to check it out. When I went January 2018 I just tried to drive around to see what I could find. Saw stuff at the airfield, and at the golf course
That is the correct location, you can see the small outdoor display on Google Maps. We went about 3 years ago for an outdoor display the helicopters and airplanes look ok.
Think USAF and Spookie it was a concern that jet fighters failed more often then not in close air support. Also the Army was frustrated at having to look to the navy or air force for that extra help in a tight fast developing issues. The placing of weapons on choppers had been played with during the UN action in the early 50's and had been tinkered with through out the latter part of the 1950's state side. It was during that period that the adapting of Cav movement understandings were looked at and applied.
There's an alternate timeline where this concept was further developed and became the US rival to the Hind.
As always Ed. We can always rely on your knowledge . As much as l applaud the èngineering progress of the necessities of combat . There is one song that comes to mind "War ( what is it good for) " Edwin Starr . .......What is your take on what's going on in the Gaza Strip Ed ? .....don't comment if it compromises your "you tube " Thanks Ed
What a beast!
An A-10 that could hover.
I had a plastic model kit of this but i forgot who made it
A/CH-47, i name it the "Fierce Hotdog"
Is there a gunship version of the Osprey?
It was discussed adding a heavy tailgun at one point, but nothing on this scale.
There various Bell proposals for Tiltrotor gunships like the Model 314F, and originally the V-22 was supposed to receive a nose gun turret.
The British were using Westland Helicopters to fight a jungle war against guerilla forces during the Malayan Emergency which was before 1961 unless I'm mistaken.
these things were beasts
imagine being NVA or VC and seeing this, thinking it was an easy cargo chopper kill..
last mistake ever.
LOL! "Guns-A-Go-Go!"😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂
This stuff I did not know.
Dad was a lead slinger just like grandpa.
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one...
Sorry I had to do it Quagmire
Can you imagine the havoc that would have been wreaked on the enemy had the machine guns been replaced by MK-19 automatic grenade launchers? (Same overall gun design as the 50 caliber, but modified to fire 40mm grenades)
If I was on the wrong side of one of those choppers, I would have been inclined to call it quits. That is unless I got a free "trip to the moon" via freedom seed airmail.
Uh….they DID have one on the nose in a ball turret type setup. It wasn’t the Mk-19 (the Mk-19’s dad you could say), but still a 40mm, belt fed, full auto grenade launcher with HE rounds bringing the hate where needed lol.
They also air dropped 55 gallon drums of napalm and HE out the back using the roller system bolted to the floor of them as well, and on ALL Chinooks, not JUST the gunships.
The Mk.19 is not a converted .50 MG any more than the M2 is a converted Maxim gun.
Just imagine the Bundeswehr would pimp some of their new CH 47 F to ACH 47 standards.!!
Coolest aircraft name ever
Ed said 'Bell's new attack helicopter', I thought Cobra as Ed said 'Sioux ... which became developedinto the Cobra' ...
*Then it hit me ..... By that point the US non-navy helicopters were named for 'Red'Indian tribes*
No Cobra tribe tho is there?
As the Indians might say ........
Their adherence to their own naming convention's 'A road of old Cobras'?
This is one of the coolest bad ideas the army ever had.
The CH47 is the fastest military chopper. Handy, but not all that useful when targeting enemy downrange. The AC-130 was more robust in combat.
At the time the CH-47 was introduced it was the fastest, but it was pretty quickly eclipsed.
It feels like they failed their task successfully. As part of the experimental approach to the whole air-cav doctrine, the way helicopter forces operate now has shifted away from needing this level of firepower taking up an airframe that could be a transport, since there's many other support options, options that can perform many different roles when not supporting helicopter troops.
How about hover fire ship?
Nah ...
this helicopter's designation sounds like the noise someone would make after being punched in the gut
Ok, I’m going to make a correction here as a former CH-47 mechanic on something I have YET to see any of these videos get correct; they were actually A/ACH-47A’s. That stood for “Armed/Armored”, and I used to have the old Squadron Signal “CH-47 in action” book I bought in AIT in ‘89, which had Easy Money on the cover.
Yep, mention that designation when talking about the aircraft, but seems to have been dropped, probably because it was so unwieldy.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters yes, I noticed that it was said in the video and I wasn’t trying to come across like an ass about it or anything. I was merely pointing it out as many people don’t seem to realize it (even if it sounds trivial). When I was in AIT at Ft Eustis, they had a huge model of one at the school and I’ve always been fascinated by them. I had no idea that Easy Money was actually there at the time as a training bird (and apparently nobody else knew at the time either), but did know there were a few other historically significant Chinooks there at the time. “Bearcat 5” was another one, as it was the first production D model, converted from an A model with a huge white 5 painted on the sides. My class was tasked with stripping it down to a shell to be sent back to Boeing Vertol to be rebuilt.
@@bigdaddy7119 I don't want to come across like an ass either, but what exactly was your point then? You noticed that Ed said that exact fact, and yet, you went ahead and wrote a comment saying you have YET to hear someone say it correctly. Why? Why not say: "You are the first youtuber to get it correct." or something? Again, I'm not trying to diss you, I'm just genuinely confused.
@@FolgoreCZ I was talking about the video title in how it was listed, and not SAID in the video, that’s all. And honestly, none of the videos or articles I’ve seen on the internet have it titled that way, and it’s pretty significant. Again, *I* wasn’t trying to come across like an ass (and said as much), but just trying to educate people on that, especially since they were so rare and most people have never even heard of them. Nothing more.
Big, bristling with guns, the Soviet Hinds.
Chinook is pronounced Shinook. Not a chin, a shin.
I can imagine a modern version capable of launching cruise or brimstone missiles would be an interesting addition especially in a insurgent rich target environment, used as a standoff weapon system it would be lethal and would be able to cover a much wider area with a quick response and long loiter time.
Shame to see such a great weapon be passed over. I think they are still building CH-47s start building the gunship version. With the moden lifting abilities that ship would be a flying WWII battleship.
Jack, the CH-47 would be a flying battleship? LOL! Hyperbole much? Those 16" naval guns fired a 1-ton shell up to 24 miles. 😅
huh, I'd always heard that these were useless and miserable failures, surprising to hear that they were of some use!
Had Boeing just tried a bit harder, they could've drilled some firing points for massed small arms too.
Ah...pre MANPAD days, a more "innocent" time...? =)
It's a Boeing tho, Sikorsky is the helo maker
My cousin flew CH47s and UH60s, for the army and rangers, it was like once he switched from flying UH60s to CH47 like he never wanted to go back to blackhawks after flying CH47s...ioneen fly shit but it seems safer and more survivable in crash landing, i know he gt shot down more than once or twice in Afghanistan n survived every time. AYo cuz be low key lit tho, iain gon hold u mane.
SNO, what does the last sentence of your comment mean?
Sounds perfect for Afghanistan.