@@ThatIcelandicDude Iceland has a bigger population and is energy indepedent. It is better connected to Europe. Greenland has the population of a micro state and the surface larger than Saudi Arabia.
@@ThatIcelandicDude Iceland doesn't require air and ship to move the majority of their vital goods between their cities, and Iceland have a far larger population stretching over far smaller landmass compared to Greenland.
you could think of it like that. Seems the Greenland government believes this will be better for them, looks like they will go with that too via referendum that will mean USA does not have to pay a dime to denmark
@@FreeSpeech-z6j the greenland government clearly wants to join the US that's why their top most chairperson said that they are not for sale and don't want to join anyone ... ??? How can two opposite things be true at the same time? Is this how your american brain works?
Bonus information: A 2017 poll showed that 78% of the Greenlanders do not want independence from Denmark if it leads to a drop in living standards. Like Denmark, Greenland has access to free healthcare, unemployment benefits and free education including free access to Danish universities, and subsidies from Denmark cover more than half of Greenland's public expenses.
I live in U.S. I think the folks in Greenland would surely have unexpected "opportunities" if US took over.. Whatever public benefits they have would be privatized if US took over. They could still go to university and do it by taking big loans. No more of that taxpayer funded medicine. And they would pay their own way for everything else. Donald Trump would give them the Libertarian opportunity to pull themselves up by their bootstraps!
Greenland also has 2 representatives in the Danish parliament. I doubt the USA is gonna provide education, healthcare, subsidies and give them representation in their Congress
@@isabellaloft3124 Absolutely, but Greenland is in a vastly different situation to the UK. Greenland will face financial and systemic collapse on day 1 of independence, its an undeniable fact no matter how much you massage the numbers or lie about redistribution of funding. Greenland's budgets are mostly paid for by Denmark and not Greenlandic income, and Greenland is benefiting from a lot of Danish services and functions which they pay nothing for and which don't feature on their budgets. Greenland simply lacks the infrastructure to be independent, and even though Denmark has offered Greenland to create this infrastructure under the self-rule agreement, in large parts Greenland have elected not to shoulder the burdens of building and running such infrastructure themselves. Greenland is not a vote away from independence, they are not even a vote and a money bag away from independence, they are years, even decades of work away from even being able to humor the idea of independence.
And you think Trump or Musk will say that ? Noo ....they will say the opposite! What politicians say on the begging that if you chose me ....I'll screw you ?!😂
@Fab666. actually its closer to 1 billion euros per year alone from Denmark. But there are many who arent doing well, and we the danish are blamed for that. Despite the rejection of investments in to mining by Greenlandic ppl last election, that could have secured them a third of the money required Denmark pays. What is not talked about is how a lot of the skilled workers are danes. So there will be some sense of feeling less than by those who dont do well there. That is why you see an even greater push towards populism and towards doing things that will hurt the society, even though things risk becoming swallowed up by the USA, who dont have a record of treating their colonies anywhere near how we have treated ours. Even if we did do some things that also wasnt good at all, it just doesnt compare to how colonies are normally treated. Its quite a sensitive subject because there are onlu 56.000 greenlandic ppl and it doesnt take much to make them angry at us.
Im a Dane,and i just wants to point out that our state minister Mette Frederiksen have said that it is up to the Greenland people/Inuits etc. What they want to do. The future of Greenland lays in the choice of Greenland and its people.
@robertgeish5641 theres Inuits,Eskimo's in Greenland,so Yes theres such thing as Greenland people...i dont get your point...in my opinion it is totally fair that the people of Greenland chooses how the future of Greenland shall be...dont you think ?!!!
"Greenland is important for our economic security" he changes what it is for depending on who asks i think. It is pathetic and i do believe that Panama, Canada, Greenland and Mexico should be on guard for hybrid warfare nonsense. The Russians have let the cat out of the recent bag with it. That is, if they dont decide to "just take it" it would dissolve Nato is they are going for Canada/ Greenland.
This is so far out.. USA is in Greenland already. They closed the Thule Airbase, but if they wanted to have other bases.. Well they could just ask.. So they actually already have the military strategic control in the area...
As a Dane I'm somewhat unsure what to think about this. Denmark has been preparing for Greenland to declare independence for quite a while, my understanding is that they don't because they aren't yet at a economical and infrastructural level where they can support themselves and so need money from Denmark. Supposedly they are waiting for the ice to melt so they can start selling the rights to the natural resources currently trapped below the ice. So in theory I don't really see a problem with Greenland declaring independence. But it should be on the initiative and premises that the Greenlander's want, not as part of a coercion by the US. I would also warn Greenland about what becoming a dependent of the US would really mean. I think looking at how they are treating both the native American's as well as the people of Puerto Rico, Hawaii and American Samoa would be warranted.
Or the political class can just chose to take a bribe and leave office after screwing the natives with dependence to the US. As has happened in several countries already.
Americans are talking about Greenland as if they already own them and wants to take what it is in their ground. Greenlandic ppl are gonna need support and that is something the current US administration will use to take control over their land. In the end they can decide they want to be treated badly by the US if they want to. But it isnt a choice I would make in the world we have right now, and before Greenland can stand alone on its own two feet
They really need to be in control of what benefits their country and not want Trump wants from them. They are actually in a good position on the world stage now given how bad Trump wants Greenland. They need trade partners but only to their benefit and not anyone else. I worry about them becoming another colony of another country. Trump is not thinking about the Greenlanders he thinking of money only. Remember the old saying ‘the grass isn’t always greener’.
To be fair, when you're talking at a federal level, that's almost nothing. I mean, I'm pretty sure my state spends that on road maintenance alone every year.
@@grSpyridon well my understanding is that most of us danes prefer to make sure people can live decent lives. im not sure what will happen if we stop the support but my general thought is that they may end up sneding them back economicly tho its not surtain.
@@Sammyli99 Its Literally one of the highest paid sectors right now lol what are you smoking. In north Dakota right now its 20 bucks an hour to work at MC Donald's. because of how much money is in fraking.
They have the highest suicide rate of any place on earth and it’s almost double second place. Not saying they should be independence, but to imply the Inuit should be grateful to Denmark is a bit overly simplistic and dismissive
Just for the record: Greenland could have had independence a long time ago. "What - we can not continue to get an 8.000 dollar subsidy pr inhabitant or year, if we go independent?" No, independence means you become independent of Danish money... "Woov - I didn't know that..."
@@fastertoveOh, it's about 10 years ago they spoke about independence.... The Greenlanders were surprised they wouldn't continue to receive their subsidy.
@@NadNorgaard "surprised" but in reality not really surprised. Much of this is internal politics, politicians preaching to the choir and frankly lack of education(an issue particular in the male population). The politicians in Nuuk knew, or should have known, and the locals went along with it (knowingly or not).
It is actually a 14.000 USD (100.000 DKK) subsidy from per inhabitant per year (5.7 Billion DKK divided by 57.0000 inhabitants). So around 56.000 USD per year for a family of 4 on Greenland - payed by Danish taxpayers.
You are missing a couple of quite important points: 75% of doctors on Greenland are Danes, so is 70% of the people in the public administation, 100% of law enforcement and a majority of teachers, both primary and secondary, and there is no real university level education beyond a VERY narrow selection with NO STEM what so ever. Most of those people are only there due to significant taxation benefits created by Danish governments, exactly intended to draw those people to Greenland. Just like the blockgrant, those benefits, and presumably most of the people, would disappear with independence. Greenland is not and will not be selfsufficient any time soon.
@@ontisalaga1789 HAHAHA, that is not a argument of a colonizer. Its a fact, i am from the faroes another nation under the Kingdom Of Denmark, i know for a fact, that we would become a colony, if we left Denmark. Just because people gain something from being a part of a kingdom doesnt mean its bad. The same with Greenland, both the faroes and Greenland would become owned by oligarchs like Russia. When both nations GDP is controled by like 5-6 families.
Greenland is not being oppressed by "colonial shackles". On the contrary, they have freedom to leave Denmark any time they choose. All it will take for Trump to get Greenland is to offer to pay the bill for keeping the country running. A bill we in Denmark have been paying for many decades. Then they will do a referendum, and that's it.
Its a bit more complicated than that, because he would have to say he wants to pay the bill, and not actually get any benefits either, because any naturaly minerals ect. still belongs to Greenland as it stands today. So its basically footing the bill and gaining zero benefits, even for Trump I doubt he will take that deal.
Not quite, the self-rule agreement is clear. Voting for independence is how Greenland starts the process, but there are other requirements set forth as well. Greenland has to show it can run without Danish institutions, services and functions. Greenland has to show how it will fund its national budgets without Danish subsidy. Greenland has to show how it can maintain territorial integrity under the UN mandate which grants Denmark 100% ownership of Greenland currently (long story but look up Norway trying to colonize east Greenland in the early 20th century.) Greenland and Denmark has to negotiate the details of the secession. After all this Greenland has to vote again to ratify the work done, and finally the Danish parliament has to vote to approve it all, only then can Greenland become independent under the self-rule agreement. It's absolutely wrong to say Greenland can just vote to gain independence, its a much more involved and complex process and even if Greenland votes yes to independence there is no path currently to actually gain it under the self-rule agreement because Greenland doesn't fulfill any of the requirements set forth for its independence as of this time. Parts of the current Danish parliament also say they wont vote for independence if it means giving Greenland to USA.
The difference is we will exploit the resources in Greenland and provide increased opportunity and employment opportunities for the residents. Plus they will have the opportunity to move to the USA if they want to as well. Send everyone to Disney World during a Florida Winter and many will opt to move to the lower 48 over their frozen hellscape, LOL.
@@nicolasiiiletzar7984Big, beautiful netherite armor, Jesus can you imagine how beautiful it is? Is the best armor I've ever seen, and believe me I've seen a lot of armors 'cause you know I'm an expert on armors, just ask anybody and they will tell you how big of an expert I am, there is nobody who knows more when it comes to armors.
I wonder what will actually improve for Greenlanders once they are independent of DK. Shouting "we want independence" is one thing, being an independent country, however, entails many things ... and many of these cost money. Good luck!
As we've seen with Brexit, a critical subset of the (any) population doesn't think quite that far and are susceptible to any person who boastfully and confidently will claim independence is in their interest; even if those claims are void of sources and sound reasoning.
I am not sure what more we can do in Denmark to please the Greenlanders, who are btw roughly 10-15% danish and danish mixed, but the geopolitical situation is very dangerous for the artic. In a small population of even 56.000 just random facebook comments can easily create anger towards Denmark. It is even more sensitive up there because many are not doing so well, and Denmark get the blame for that. For us 6 billion danish kroner is a lot to spend already on 56.000, who dont see themselves as part of us, and we dont stand to gain anything from Greenland in the future as we agreed with them whatever minerals is found is 100% theirs. Not ours. But I think many danish care because they can easily make their life worse up there, if they are not able and ready to stand on their own. If they really do want independence they need to say yes to mining companies that want to invest in them. They rejected the offer that could bring them a third of the bloc aid we give them, over 50 years. Because they care about their environment and pullution. Which is fair, but even that was blamed on Denmark. I think if somebody farts in Greenland there will be an inuit will say we are responsible.
@@ronnie5329honestly Denmark is already being pretty generous, I’m actually surprised that Danes aren’t more mad about spending so much money on a land that wants to leave you
@@danix4883Well, there are some who are unhappy about it. On the othet hand, Denmark and Greenland share a history, and a majority of danes would like Greenland to be part of out kingdom in the most current poll. Also, 10-15% of Greenlanders are danish and danish mixed. There is 29.000 greenlandish ppl in Denmark who are getting free education as they are not big enough to have a proper university. But because so many who are in Greenland are doing poorly, as you know, someone else will get the blame for that, if its immigrants here in Denmark, or in Greenland it will be the danes who will be blamed. It is a very known mechanism and it can easily lead to Greenland making bad deciscions. Just look at how even brexit could happen. It is even easier to see Greenlandish ppl make a bad choice out of spite
lol this just sounds like the thing putler went on lol i can just imagine trump going to Nuuk and be like: you are americans now!" i dont think trump would like his reception.
Not really..... Grennland have been trying to get independence long before Trump ever became president but the US have tried to buy greenland multiple times.
@@lester8403 They get subsidies of over 500 million per year from Denmark just to keep their country afloat. Where will that come from if they're independent? Please tell me
No, the self-rule agreement is clear. Voting for independence is how Greenland starts the process, but there are other requirements set forth as well. Greenland has to show it can run without Danish institutions, services and functions. Greenland has to show how it will fund its national budgets without Danish subsidy. Greenland has to show how it can maintain territorial integrity under the UN mandate which grants Denmark 100% ownership of Greenland currently (long story but look up Norway trying to colonize east Greenland in the early 20th century.) Greenland and Denmark has to negotiate the details of the secession. After all this Greenland has to vote again to ratify the work done, and finally the Danish parliament has to vote to approve it all, only then can Greenland become independent under the self-rule agreement. It's absolutely wrong to say Greenland can just vote to gain independence, its a much more involved and complex process and even if Greenland votes yes to independence there is no path currently to actually gain it under the self-rule agreement because Greenland doesn't fulfill any of the requirements set forth for its independence as of this time.
@@NATIK001 But Greenland also refuses to work towards anything that could help make it economically viable in pursuing independence, namely by actually letting the incredible natural resources be exploited. They could make up the money Denmark covers at lightning speed if they actually sold some permits and taxed some mining income, but they refuse to. So what do they have left? Literally only fishing, and extreme overfishing at that. "oh no, we can't let our nature be touched by mining, but let's fucking wreck our oceans by overfishing to such a degree that we can't really even be a proper part of the EU due to fishing quotas" It's absolute insanity.
As a Dane I am all for independence, however as have been confirmed several times by various Danish governments, it won't be paid for by Denmark. Greenland currently runs a massive deficit without support from Denmark and have no way of making it up elsewhere, if they don't fix that then independence from Denmark will either result in economic collapse instantly or dependence on someone else. That is before we even get to mention all the things Denmark pays for now which don't feature on the Greenlandic budgets, just looking at GDP vs national budget only tells half the story of how dependent Greenland is. Honestly unless Greenland just wants to exchange Denmark for some other power to be dependent on, they won't leave the kingdom any time in the foreseeable future. I kinda wish Greenland could just leave because I am sick of listening to how everything is Denmark's fault from Greenlandic politicians, even when Greenland has been allowed home-rule and self-rule for a long time now. The Faroese whine a lot less and are in a much better position for independence, and I think there is at least a weak causal relationship between these two facts. I would love to have Greenland stay in the Kingdom of Denmark, but I want a healthy Greenland, not the Greenland we have right now, which acts much like the UK acted while in the EU, constantly blaming local issues on others. If Greenland wants to hold that attitude I would rather it leave the kingdom. Drumming up independence support like this is just another example of this attitude issue, Greenland's politicians know well it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of supporting itself in independence, they are only talking about this to drum up nationalistic attitudes and support, not because they can accomplish anything, and they are only hurting their relationship with Denmark over it. Has to be said that some Danish politicians are just as divisive though and the Greenlandic politicians aren't alone, but the divisive attitude is a lot more prevalent in Greenlandic politics than Danish national politics where the overriding stance is reconciliation and unity.
No reason why not. The state of Missouri alone outproduces all of Denmark. Combined, the U.S. has over 60x the economic capability. All of commenters here seem to think Greenland can not survive without Denmark, but reality is that an independent Greenland would be filled with US investments that with Denmark it could never achieve. Even if there if no annexation of the nation, Greenland would see a flood of commitment like never before which would jumpstart their economy.
This is literally the excuse that every imperialist regime uses to justify occupation. "We can't give you freedom, because it would cost you too much. We're oppressing you for your own good!" Congratulations, you're opposed to basic human rights and the consent of the governed, while maintaining a dishonest facade of moral superiority. How nice.
@@roy6907 What you are proposing isn't independence, and Greenland cannot be independent at this time even if USA gave them 10 times what Denmark does right now, because Greenland doesn't have the infrastructure to run itself. Greenland has been offered by Denmark under the self-rule agreement that Greenland can build local infrastructure to run itself, but it has largely elected to not shoulder this responsibility because Greenland lacks resources, especially manpower and expertise for this. Right now Greenland can only choose who will be its master, it cannot run itself, it's not a question of independence, only who to be dependent upon, and your proposal is not independence, it's functionally the same as US annexation, if anything its worse because Greenland won't have a political influence in USA if its not a part of USA and will steamrolled all the more for it. (side note, google tells me Missouri in fact does not have a higher GDP than Denmark, though it is close, unless you account for purchasing power then its actually quite a bit behind Denmark and it also has a slightly higher population.)
@@roy6907 The people running the Greenlandic service economy are all Danes, most of which would literally just return to Denmark. Its few urban population centers would be emptied as it's unlikely the Inuit will migrate there (if we ignore the possibility of them just migrating to Denmark as well). Greenland is at best just going to be a massive American military base, and at worst a tourist colony. Additionally, the American federal government can't even get the Department of Defense to explain what they spent their >800 billion dollar budget on, and it's not like they can build more infrastructure to benefit the civilian population anyways, for the Danes have already built it.
The fact that Greenland actually has its own distinct identity shows how "not to bad" the Danish colonial administration has been to the Inuit people. Look at the Innuit and Indians in the Americans.... Not much left. Imagin Greenland getting independence and becomes a part of some sort of US trade bloc. There live 50.000 people in Greenland. I give it 20 years and there will be 100.000+ Americans there to fill jobs for a new mineral/Oil industry. End of the innuit culture. I think the people of Greenland has to think very carefully. Also, what is it exactly they can get from not being part of Denmark? I don`t get it.
It hasn’t been bad *lately*, but trust me, as a Dane, there is plenty to be ashamed of. Native Greenlandic people were treated similarly to Australian Aboriginal people: children taken away from their families so they could be “civilized” and their native culture erased, and this went on well into the second half of the 20th century. Only thing we can do now as a country is to let them (re)develop as a nation and give them all the economical support they need to achieve this. After that, it’s their choice whether to remain part of the Kingdom or to become fully independent, though I don’t see any hope of them doing the latter without being invaded by Americans.
@@MatteoCampinoti94 Yeah. Well. Welcome to history. Most of the past was shit for most people. The Germans also tried to erase Danish and Polish culture. The Arabs tried to erase the cultures of North Africa (and succeeded), etc. I think its time to look at modern times and not keep looking at the past.
@@MatteoCampinoti94 On the question of development. I heard that the ruling party in Greenland dosen`t want to do mineral and Oil, because they want to protect the environment. So hey...
You are joking right. Denmark sterilized a huge part of Greenlands female population so they would not "multiply themselves", They also emigrated them from the Island and forced them to be Danish, but they were not allowed the same salery as Danes by law. The Danes have been treating Greenlenders like garbage for centuries.
@@KrzysztofBob Funnily enough thats not actually true based on voting records historically. If they go independant it would be way more expensive so historicallly they have always wanted to be a part of Denmark
While the US military has a “successful” record of intervening in a hostile Panama and controlling the Canal Zone, the history of US operations in Greenland with full cooperation is hazy. Think about the fact a NASA surveying mission recently found a long forgotten US base in the Greenland ice and the story about how much resource went into its construction and its abandonment after only a decade because the speed of ice movement made it untenable. The Artic isn’t just simply a cold desert, even air supply operations from temporary strips are very complex up there.
Any nation with that small a population, much less a large, barren, remote island one, is bound to either live in poverty or be dependent on some other government. It's honestly insulting that Denmark pays for their stuff and gives them a great quality of life but they just go "muh colonialism 😤" like grow up
In 1979, Greenland was granted home rule, and in 2009, Greenland was given the opportunity to become independent. That was 16 years ago-written out as sixteen years. Since then, Greenland has received at least 16 billion dollars. Since 1979, Greenland has received 46 billion dollars, all paid by Danish taxpayers, while those same taxpayers have seen their welfare state lack funds. The reason Greenland has not become independent is that they do not want to lower their standard of living-so much for the desire and will to be independent. From my perspective, it's like a marriage where one person says in the morning, "I want a divorce," but by the evening realizes they have no money and says, "I'll wait until tomorrow." This show has been going on for 16 years and continues, all the while money keeps rolling into the accounts of the Greenlandic population. This is not fair to Danish taxpayers.
I don't begrudge Greenland the money as a Danish citizen, in fact I think its great that we are funding Greenland to make sure it doesn't collapse under our watch. However I am annoyed that Greenlandic politicians run the vast majority of their state with money they take from Denmark with one hand, while they use the other to fan the flames of discontent. Denmark has been incredibly hands off with Greenland for decades, and granted Greenland every opportunity to fix issues and make choices themselves, but somehow everything is still Denmark's fault. The prior misdeeds of Denmark aren't "shackling" Greenland any more, in fact Denmark is bending over backwards to not shackle Greenland. It's very telling that Greenland isn't even claiming all the self-rule powers Denmark offered Greenland under the self-rule agreement, instead opting to let Denmark keep running a massive amount of services and functions despite Greenland being able to take them over at any point, but even with Danish support Greenland doesn't have the resources to be as independent as it could be. How do anyone fool themselves into believing Greenland would have any chance without Danish support, or someone else's? Independence means independence, it doesn't mean living on your own while someone else foots the bill for you. They cannot have their cake and eat it too.
@@NATIK001 I believe this is an incredible naivety, lacking an understanding of how the world works. Just a small example: a passport costs more than twice as much in Denmark as it does in Greenland. They want independence, but only as long as it doesn’t cost money or affect their standard of living. In Greenland, a few families hold the power, and I think they want even more power. In doing so, they create a narrative that is far from reality. I also don’t mind that we pay, but if they choose independence, the flow of money stops. That’s not what Greenland wants-they want complete independence while Denmark continues to pay block grants and other subsidies for another 10-20 years until Greenland can manage on its own. How long that will take is a very good question.
It is interesting that all those politicians who want to liberate Greenland from the shackles of Danish colonialism have the same family names as those evil colonisers 😂.
When discussing about the future status of Greenland, one thing to consider in the equation is the huge amount of money Denmark is pouring to the island. EU also pays something for the fishing rights. If the United States wants to acquire the island, it must persuade the population first. Will it offer as much money to the Greenlanders and to their social benefits and health care?
@ I think if they wanted to abandon their ancestral home they would have done that already. They are already danish citizens, as well as EU. If they wanted to leave they could.
They can afford about 7 minutes of independance. After that they'll have to declare bankrupcy because they ran out of danish subsidies and EU money. The horrible colonialism of recieving fat cash checks, i wish my back yard would also be such a lucrative colony.
There are no shackles. Greenkands gets a boatload of money every year to maintain basic jnfrastructure and government costs. Same as the Dutch Antilles. They became independent and they are begging for Dutch money every year because they cant balance the budget.
Denmark controls who trades with Greenland. Greenland if independent could make its own trade decisions and will be free to trade with whoever they want. And they will not be dependent on Denmark any longer. Your argument was the exact ones made by White Supremacists in the USA where they said that the black man needs the White man to be successful, all the while, making sure they are in a disadvantaged position. Now, centuries later, we have White Americans dying on opioids. Oh how the tables have turned.
If children get an allowance, that doesn't mean they're not under the thumb of their parents. If they want to declare independence and become insolvent on their own terms, then that's their business.
“Americans”. Yes, the average American going to work today is concerned with Greenland. They weigh heavily on the cashiers mind at Walmart. (Edit: and yes, I know you likely mean the US government, but specify such. We get mad when Americans over generalise the rest of the world, don’t we?)
Trump* bro the average American literally does not care one single bit about this, whether Greenland is part of the USA or not, Americans literally do not care
A simple and easy way for Trump to expand 'Murican territory and fulfill his "Manifest Destiny". Britain has been trying to get rid of the Pitcairn Islands for 50 years, but with a population of 44, they are way too small for independence and no neighboring countries want them. So Britain could sell Pitcairn to Trump for $1 and everyone is happy. :)
They wanted to be independent since they voted to leave EU in 1982 due to fishing quotas. In that time frame their politicians have done absolutely nothing to rely less on the Danish handout. Its all campaign talk and a pipe dream. The second they leave the danish realm and lose the protection it gives all the major players will pounce on them for their minerals and oil.
Right I’m just looking at the Philippines and Cuba… AND when the USA gave Denmark Greenland back after they abandoned it in the second WW. You need a history lesson bud lol
Because the greenlandic people are more thule people from Canada and all the schools and hospitals were built by danes and are sustained by danes so no danes no modern education and healthcare.@@lester8403
We pay their budget, they have access to the EU, danish doctors, and use danish systems. The money Denmark has spent on Greenland could make every greenlander a millionaire. It's not a trick in the same way Scotland has their money go through London. They actually don't have much money, and are plagued by alcoholism and a host of other societal issues (many caused by Denmark during the early 1900's only really stopping around 1960) They would loose a lot of benefits if they were to leave. It's their decision to leave, but in my eyes it would be short sighted, and not beneficial for the people. All the best to Greenland though, including right to self-determination
I think that Greenland will soon come to know whether being dependent on Denmark or the US is better. The US would treat Greenland like a colony, as they do with a lot of other countries. It would not respect anything, but pounce on the resources of Greenland. Effectively the only thing protecting Greenland from that is Denmark
@tartaglia420 how else would Denmark protect Greenland? If you have an idea they might wanna know? plus who says Denmark won't send up the minning industry by themselves?
@@dwightchurchstone3042 Protection doesn't only mean military force. In this case it refers to the social and economic benefits that Greenland gets from Denmark. Aka, the thing protecting the quality of life of Greenland is Denmark. Also in the case you described the US would be the aggressor, but it would mean invading an allies' land lmfao.
@@dwightchurchstone3042 also in regards to mining, a difference between the USA and the EU is that over here we actually have environmental laws that are enforced and respected.
I sympathize with the residents of Greenland, but we're moving into an era of of conflict, and they have a high degree of autonomy under the Danish government. Big players like the US and Russia would definitely make a play for it. Now is not the best time to go full independent. As an American I wish nothing but the best for Greenland and it is ultimately their own decision whether they do or not, but seeing the way things are going right now, it's better to stay under the EU's umbrella.
China be like ice been part of china since ancient times, with a fake tiktok compaign stating ho,w 95% of greenland people want unification with their mother land of CCP, they made people belive russia invading ukrain was US fault, they conv8ced the world they r leaders in green energy, heck they conviced many they r #1 economy
Given the track record of US government vs indigenous populations I believe the people of Greenland would be insane to want to join the US. They would very likely not see a single cent of profit generated from natural resources found on Greenland.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 👍 Agreed, l am Native American of the Six Nations, none of the treaties our people signed with the U.S. have been honored by the American government.
I honestly don't see anything other than full absorption into the United States if Greenland becomes independent. It really doesn't have any economic incentive to break away like that. There is a reason why it stayed with Denmark for so long. It is, for now, beneficial, especially at a time like this.
USA won't have to invade an independent Greenland, it will be sold to the highest bidder because it cannot financially support itself, so USA just have to outbid China. Greenland is running deficits in the order of +50% of their national budgets annually, and that is before counting all the things Denmark pay for outright that doesn't feature on Greenlandic budgets. Greenland has no chance of financial independence, and a declaration of independence from Denmark can only result in economic collapse or selling Greenland to the highest bidder, there is no other alternative on the table right now.
As a Dane, I definitely support Greenland's continued participation in the Kingdom of Denmark. They are an integral, valued part of our culture and realm
I couldn't agree more. However it is their own choise, so it's up to them. However that some people think they would want to join the US is just ridiculous and honestly shows how little they know about greenlanders.
Greenland doesn't belong to Denmark to begin with. You stole it from Norway. Let Greenland be free. Denmark is one of the worst racist colonial countries. Slave trade in Africa, sterilizing woman in Greenland, tresating them like garbage. Denmark has nothing to be proud about and should leave Greenland.
As a Dane, I have to say that people of Greenland have nothing to do with Danish culture. They have their own culture and language, and the only reason they are in our realm is for political and historical reasons.
@@FreeSpeech-z6jThey shouldn't have mismanaged the phosphorane bonanza then. People will pay for their own ruling class's idiocy. With their "soul", if necessary.
Greenland will never be a US state XD can't believe we're even discussing this nonsense. Also, for Greenland to 'finally' become independent is pure stupidity as a country of that land mass with so little people and such a weak economy (on such a strategic location with so many resources) would be eaten by the sharks and wolves. Being part of Denmark is actually saving this country from complete takeover by foreign players and exploitative profit hungry corporations.
As a dane, I respect their right to self determination, and hope for the best for Greenlanders, independant from Denmark or remaining part of the realm. I lament the pain they have gone through at our hands, however we're in new times. The recent insult to the danish state is unprofessional. I fear that a corrupt despot is steering Greenland into the abyss. Not to the benefit of the people, but of the few.
Denmark should strongly state its claim over Greenland. We Europeans should stop feeling guilt over our past actions and realise that we are in a new era were we have to establish ourselves again in the world. Greenland is Danish
Greenland has depended on grants from Denmark, and couldn't afford to be independent. If Greenlands gets independence politically, they will still be depending on econimic grants and military support, or have to sell out ! .
Once Greenland becomes Independent from Demark, they are no longer part of Nato e and thus not under Article 5 and would have to apply for membership in Nato! They only have 57,000 people so they have no hope of economic potential for the next 50 years. They are smaller than Iceland! While they are waiting for Membership, the US will mover in and take it over without firing a shot. So I doubt they will seek independence!
as a Danish person i dont really mind Greenland wanting independence, i think it makes sense for them to want it and i want them to have it as such. but i am worried about the US these days
They already have a complete roadmap towards gaining as much independance as they want, inside or outside the kingdom of Denmark over the next 40 years. I dont understand the rush, in a very geopolitical unstable world. It makes zero sense to do it quickly. Its not like Denmark gain anything from Greenland financially, we have already made that deal. A free Greenland will be extremely dependent on another country then, the USA. As both china and russia will eye out Greenland due to the arctic. The idea that another nation will give them this level of independence and actually respect their suvernity is a fantasy world. But as you know, populism cares not about facts. And in a small population the attitude will very quickly change.
@FreeSpeech-z6j NATO is securing Greenland, and can secure Greenland with even more investments on its way. But the USA want access to Greenlands rare earth minerals and wont listen to the Greenlandic ppl, there is not chance of Greenland having more independence to decide what happens as they have now. They recently decided to say no to a mining company that would bring them a lot of money. Denmark has no say in that matter, as we already give them that ability
@@FreeSpeech-z6j i mean at the end of the day its big countries trying to influence smaller once, what i am worried about is what Trump might try to do to Denmark. then again, we already made it so that Greenland can leave if they have a majority vote for independence. so its not like i am shaking about it
This is only a conversation right now because the US literally wants to annex Greenland lol... I'd be amazed if the independence line didn't come straight from the US in recent conversations
An interesting note is that the inuit cultures that lived in Greenland pre viking no longer exists. The current inuit culture, called Thule, emigrated from Cananda reaching Greenland around 1300. So in actual fact, Scandinavians has been present in Greenland around 300 years longer then the "indigenous people" of Greenland. The inuit people of Greenland today, share more DNA with Danish people, then the pre existing Dorset inuit culture, which they share non with. Denmark did not conquer a country and people. There was no country when the vikings settled and the country that exists now, was build by the Danes and the Thule people together.
"...So in actual fact, Scandinavians has been present in Greenland around 300 years longer then the "indigenous people" of Greenland."... - Scandinavians weren't present in Greenland continuously.
Factually inaccurate. The norse settlements were abandoned soon after they were established and danish people didnt start resettling until around 1700. Vast majority are today of inuit descent and consider themselves greenlandic, not Danish
@@steinarjakobsen4947 But they werent abandoned soon after they were established. And in the interim period, there were european fishermen in the area. It was Norwegian fishermen who tipped Hans Egede about Greenland.
Greenland has the Authority to decide over their own future. But now they have healhcare, no mass school shootings etc. etc. I am sure that staying in Europe is the best voor the greens. Otherwise we will need greenland to for a better future. Own recourses and materials for a green transition.
@bean8008 soon America won’t be subsidizing the EUs social networks…health care won’t be free soon once the Danes have to start spending on various things the US provide…like national defense spending, R&D development…ect…y’all got good living off US tax payers…be ready for even higher taxes with less services….hahaha
As a Dane i support full independence. But then also we close any payment from Denmark as they can support them self, with the many resources they have underground. No Danish tax money to Greenland, no danish police and so.
They rejected the mining operation a 4 years ago, that could land them a third of the bloc aid Denmark gives, over 50 years. The Greenlandic ppl decided to say no to that because of environmental damage. I am afraid they will have no say if the US comes along. Well, we all know they dont care about anything. And Greenland needs protection due to its role in the arctic, where Russia and China dont see a problem claiming them as Free real estate. And the current deal with Denmark allows even greater move to independance. If they think they will get the same treatment from the US I would advice them to open a book, and also look at how unstable the nation is currently. I support their move towards even greater dependance inside the danish kingdom, and also outside of it if when the time is right, and it is coming from a healthy place. but they have to be smart about it so they dont lose what they already fought for. And currently they are not, too many of the 56.000 are not doing so well and Denmark is blamed for even if someone farts up there. It is a place that is fairly easy to destabilize, which Trump currently is trying to. I would like Greenland to stay in danish kingdom, and we should invest more in to Greenland. But we have already stretched ourselves so far to give them a roadmap for independance, and for taking back each of the areas we currently run. We do not stand to gain anything financially from Greenland, I am probably not the only one who fear the greenlandic ppl will get a raw deal, as they are only 56.000 ppl living up there, with a huge landmass and minerals that in next 50 years will be able to make them independent, inside or outside the kingdom of Denmark. But all the big powers are currently eyeing up Greenland as well, even the USA. It is a very unstable geopolitical world we have right now. I hope the discourse in Greenland will reflect this, or else they can easily lose the independance they already have. They already can say yes and no to investments, but its fair to say they want more investments from Denmark. Even though i believe we build their new airport even, so hopefully tourism can boom
If Greenland think its bad being a part of Denmark they should leave. But if they think the grass is greener on the other side @US/Russia/China i think they are very wrong. They wont stay "independent" loong.
@@fakkel321 What are you talking about…Greenland is already 100% dependent on the the United Sates for national defense…so is Denmark…the EU is owned by the United States…we have multiple bases in each EU contrite country…6 in Denmark alone if you count Greenland bases. There is not one foreign base in America…think about that.
Sovereign independence means something very different today from what it meant when I saw the Union Flag replaced by the Kenyan flag at Uhuru Park in Nairobi 61 yrs ago. If Greenland is to remain sovereign, what military will defend it? Will it refuse all overseas aid? The entire premis that a non-indigenous presence is colonialism is so antiquated. Who is native and who are not? Radio waves, internet connections, climate change, technological and scientific innovation, each recognise no national boundaries. How much more secure is Ukraine today as a sovereign state, than it was as part of the Soviet Union? Will Greenlanders be more free under the flag of a Trumpian United States?
@@FreeSpeech-z6jthen it isn't independence because international diplomacy is transactional. The US will demand something from it in return. Greenland has independence+ in my opinion. They may take diplomatic action in matters which only concern Greenland and recieve 25% of their GDP in a grant from Denmark plus all of the other hidden services like doctors and police force, have better proportional represantion in parlaiment than danes and can leave anytime they want to if they so choose. The only demand we have of them is that they learn danish in school and are beholden to broader danish foreign policy and even then, because they are not part of the EU. Honestly if Germany offered the same deal to Denmark right now, I'd take it with both hands. Them whining about "shackles of colonialism" is very childish. They are getting the best deal they are ever going to get and they still act like Denmark is France in Algeria. There are no shackles. They are sitting on a golden pillow and just have to walk to the door if they want leave.
Their primary language is Danish but nearly all also know the Greenlandic language. Their culture is very connected with Denmark with around 20.000 of them being in Denmark right now. and the population rounded up to a total of 60.000 in Greenland. Their was a large inbreeding problem in the native Greenlandic population that had to do with the low population number forcing them to inbreed. This is no longer as big an issue but now nearly every person in Greenland have Scandinavian roots.
No one is getting statehood in USA as things stand right now, the divide between left and right means that any attempts to raise territories to statehood fails before it even gets off the ground. Greenland would be fools to accept a deal with the promise of statehood since the reality of American politics is that no one can actually guarantee that the promise will be upheld, its too big a process for that. Greenland is also very left leaning so there is no chance the Republicans will be the ones to give them two senators or any amount of representatives, it could keep the Republicans from holding the senate for decades to come.
@@jeffbenton6183 nope, this mess is all because Trump has discovered that Greenland holds a lot of resources. Mind you, resources the Greenlandic people has repeatedly decided to leave in the ground in order to not mess up the environment.
A few points about Greenland : They have been looking for oil for 50 years now, with help from companies like Chevron, Shell and Exxonmobil. But all drilling has come up dry so far. Nothing prevents US mining companies from investing in Greenland now. So why is there not a mining boom for all those rare earth minerals? The problem is simply the cost of extracting those minerals. If Greenland was so profitable, they would not need money from Denmark. And the ice is not melting any time soon. A conservative estimate is 10.000 years for all the ice to melt, if temperatures keep rising at the current rate.
Trump's outrageous proposal aside, Greenland could absolutely benefit from a closer *_strategic partnership_* with the north american powers to build up its economy following their independence, especially as the USA and Canada have a lot to gain from Greenland making them less dependent on China for materials. On that note, just make sure not to accept any deal from China; their outrageously awful environmental track record could genuinely turn Greenland into a sludgeland if given the chance.
Greenland would benefit much, much more from less Socialism, less nepotism, and a smaller state that wasn't modelled on the worst Scandinavian Socialist ideas of the 1970's. And sobering up wouldn't hurt, either...
I'm not saying an independent Greenland can't work, but it's going to be a very difficult and painful journey that I don't think the people advocating for it fully understand. Denmark has already said that it's up to Greenland what they want to do, so nothing is really holding them back.
Dane here, i wanna point out that Greenland has had the right to independence for a while now and have chosen not to. A large marjority of Greenlanders dont want independence from Denmark. Greenland isnt that economically productive and gets hundreds of millions of every year from Denmark, free healthcare, access to free university, benefits, protection by the Danish military, and half of all public spending is paid for by Denmark. The far majority of Greenlanders dont want independence because they already have autonomy, and being part of Denmark is simply a great fucking deal. They would surely lose all of that should they become independent, let alone part of America.
if its independent there is a chance that they can keep their healthcare and other benefits but the usa wants them to get rid of it even if they can afford it with ease for ideological reasons .
@@belstar1128 Lmao no, if they become completely independent at this moment they lose HALF of their public spending. Not viable at all. Thats why they still havent voted to leave yet.
This video is essentially misinformation. Greenland can become independent whenever it wants, all it has to do is make a vote and present some paperwork. Which they can do on their own because they're governing themselves. They are running at a big deficit, and Denmark is paying Greenland eleven thousand four hundred dollars per person every year, with no economic gain. How are they shackled, exactly?
Denmark has given nothing but independence to Greenland to the extent it is possible for a society with 50-60k citizens while supporting Greenland financially for 100s of years up through to modernization, there is a push for Independence only due to other interests wanting influence over Greenland. Much like Russia spread disinformation the different players try to influence greenland under the guise of colonization to want this independence, this so called independence if ever happening will create complete dependence. The truth is Denmark has been the best thing for greenland as its one of the only countries that does actually allow independence with its principles of freedom and community and no oppression. At the same time greenland and danish culture has been interwoven over 300 years.
What annoys me is that all Danes "forget" the fact that Denmark annexed Greenland (plus Iceland and the Faroes) from Norwegian ownership. And then handing over Norway to Sweden as if it were a second hand car. Norway itself was a Danish colony for a long time, culminating with the Danish king's annexation of the church in 1536 (disguised as reformation) in order to control the local peasants through Danish clergy. Denmark ensured that Norway remained a primitive agricultural society for as long as possible. Oh, and the Danish king decided no Jews were allowed, and he tried to kick out the Finnish minority around 1680. I'm glad the Greenlanders finally will break free.
@@erikgstewart Who says we have "forgotten" that? and do you think we just wanted to give Norway to our most hated enemy? and "ensured that Norway remained a primitive agricultural society"? Denmark was a primitive agricultural society. With what technologies should Denmark, in the 1700's, have transformed a big sparsely populated mountainous area with? And yes, the church was a tool to control the peasants, welcome to medieval management 101, but it was also the church and King Christian the 6th that, in 1739, made it madetory for children to go to school, so they could learn to read and write. Yes, this was so they could learn the bible better, but it came in handy in other ways to. The law was even modified to fit Norway better in 1741. Also, don't bring up the Jews, like Denmark is some special evil here, or allude to it being in anyway similar to what 1940's Germany did. The way we have treated our Jews in resent history speaks for itself. Oh, and a hypothetical Norway, with its own king or queen, would never had tried to kick out an ethnic and cultural minority in the 1600's, they would have been so tolerant. Spare me.
@@erikgstewart I dont know I feel you come with some heavily biased arguments. First of all Norway was under Denmark for so long that it pretty much was considered Denmark as much as any other part like fynnen or jutland, we are talking many centuries, The only reason it didnt stay that way was cause of a dude named Napoleon, thus Norway as it is today is a rather new thing, And thus Greenland was Danish as well as Norwegian after the recolonization in the early 1700's. It makes no sense to say something was norwegian at that time as the kingdom was Denmark/Norwegian for centuries, that would be applying the current borders to a situation that was 300 years ago. Denmark/Norway was the same country at this time, and the mission to settle in greenland was a mission by the Danish/Norwegian kingdom. 1 country. Norway had been with Denmark more than it had been by itself, even tracing back to the vikings it was not uncommon that norwegian and danish vikings went to england in unison on raids. The industrialization is something that happened after Denmark and Norway split up. So this keeping Norway a farm country does not make a lot of sense This was common in this age and there weren't smartphones to sell. The markets available at the time was limited. It feels like you have been told a very nationalistic point of view. While there was no nationality as such back then. Norway today is a sovereign country, it broke free of Denmark because it is geographical cut off from europe by sea, and thus was not affected by the Napoleons war. There's a reason that danish and norwegian language is almost interchangeable in writing. The cutoff has only been 200 years.
What people don't get is that unlike other Europeans the Vikings only wanted to find better land to live in and they found Greenland empty and they didn't find nobody but then as soon as that the climate was nice and warm and everything else the Inuits came back and it must have been the most awkward moment of their lives when they found somebody else living in their old home that they abandoned, Then later when the Vikings abandoned Greenland due to the fact that the climate was unlivable and the Inuits basically decided to stay in case somebody decided to come back and occupy their house while they're away it's kind of ironic considering that the Scandinavians come back and they're like oh you're still here well we're just going to come back and resettle all the settlements that we were promised by Erik the Red and his descendants. The interesting part about the whole thing the Scandinavians didn't just come back and conquer the native peoples they just basically came back and decided to live there again and that was it no bloodshed the most peaceful retaking of land by just simply coming back 😂
@peterfireflylund I know they're basically Canadian Inuits and they were born in Canada but their ancestors just abandoned Greenland because there was no food no nothing and the only reason why they stayed in Greenland after the Vikings left is because well they were afraid the Vikings would come back and reoccupy the same land which of course they did about several centuries later. 🤣
While it is admirable and romantic (if a little naive) that Greenland wants independence, they really don't have the population, infrastructure, or money to do this successfully, or they would've by now.
Greenland gets its independence. Following, it gets invaded by some interested superpower. "Well, we didn't mean 'THAT' independence. Please help us, please die for us."
Danish here: If Greenland goes independent then one of the first things they will lose is the yearly money we send, which is around 550 million USD, which is one of their biggest reasons on why they can afford the towns they have now. While I would be okay with Greenland going indepedent, I'm not okay with them joining the US or putting themselves at risk. Since right now Greenland is secure due to being a part of NATO, but that is only secure whilst being a part of the danish realm. If they were to leave, they would put themselves at a risk of being annexed by people like Trump, who would no doubt treat them much worse and take away all the rights the danish government have given them.
You can’t even defend your own homeland. You surrendered in less than four hours. Nobody cares what you cowards say. Face reality, we will take it from you and you will do nothing.
The sheer size of Danish investment into healthcare, education, social security, jobs, etc. in Greenland could be used as an argument against what the PM has regarding the future of Greenland and how this is to be determined by the Greenlanders themselves (a more theoretical argument could be proposed in light of the fact that Greenland is part of the Danish Commonwealth, where the laws of the Danish constitution apply exactly as they apply in every other part of the Commonwealth). I am a Dane, and although I duly recognize the Greenlandic people's right to a nation-state of their own, they must realize that this will come at a cost. There are several points to be made here. First, an independent Greenland would have to compensate for the so-called bloktilskud, that is, the subsidies allocated to Greenland by the Danish state (there are already agreements as regards how revenue from mining is to be shared, but this does not even come near the size of the subsidies). Second, on top of the first point, Greenland would, need enough money to ensure the preservation of its educational and social institutions as they currently are. As matters currently are, the income from a few shrimp factories, even the cost of running those not taken into account, would not be enough to cover the cost. Greenland neither has the foundation for a solid and developed economy, nor the potential for developing one, despite the abundance of resources and minerals hidden beneath the ice. Third, Greenland has no armed forces, and a population of 58.000, mostly concentrated living on the western side of the island, is not enough to sustain a military able to guard the entirety of the island. In any case, Greenland would potentially have to compromise on parts of its sovereignty in order to gain security guarantees (though this is not necessary, as they could administer negotiations regarding joining NATO shortly after its independence). For the reasons stated above, it strikes me as a disastrously bad idea for Greenland to secede from the Danish Commonwealth, as they in any case, and on any ground, whether that would be regarding economic or military issues, are unable to fend for themselves and assert the sovereignty they otherwise are so eager to pursue.
the danes fund them and get literally nothing in return, no oil, no extraction of mineral resources but they blame anything that happens there on denmark
I support Greenland West Coast's right to choose independence. The minerals everywhere else on Greenland? Not so much. Their ancestral claim to that, is as good as mine, is to the minerals under the Swiss Alps, as a Dane.
This is probably a very bad idea. There just aren't enough people there to sustain an independent country and it really does need a mother country. Denmark seems better than most.
As a Dane I would love Greenland to be 100% independent - but it will never happen 100% - the Greenland population is to small for the massive land. They don’t have enough people for making a military defense and they will be depended on military outside their country…
@@kennethAmos8929 Yah, they are already 100% dependent on the United States….sorry bud…so is Denmark…I have worked with your military…we own you. The Danes work for the Americans. That is the reality in 2024…your way of life is only possible because of US tax payers…you’re welcome.
The Danes should let them go independent but with a clause that lets them reverse the decision after 10 or so years. The independence will be a disaster, the Greenlanders will see that, they'll regret their decision and this whole thing can finally be put to bed
the thing about greenlandish independance is that they wouldnt become important in a cultural, political, or monetary sense, theyd be important the same way they are today; a strategic sense, as such every resource theyd have would become a banquette for foreign powers unless greenland suddenly takes a VERY hard stance approach to sovereignty and autonomy, which in any political landscapes is close to impossible to get away with when dealing with foreign powers as grotesque and massive in all possible metrics as the US or China... an independent greenland would be a very suddenly "up-for-grabs" state, near the western heartland, yet simultaneously so out of sight that the general populas wouldnt even notice...
I dont think anyone in Denmark would be against Greenland having independence. It is stated over and over again, that they now have "home rule", but they can at any time get independence - all they need to do is say so. So I think the tone in this video, with shackles and I dont know what is greatly misleading. Its up to the people of Greenland, when they feel ready. And in the meantime Denmark will keep funding them and supporting them in so many ways. Its not just the block-grant mentioned in the video. Its also education, security and a host of high skilled people, like doctors, nurses, teachers etc All these people enjoy substantial tax benefits in Denmark for working in Greenland. Like in Denmark, Greenland enjoys free education all the way to University (in Denmark), free healthcare, worldclass un-employment benefits and much more. So to be a little "sharp" you could argue that this is the shackles holding Greenland to Denmark today. Most Greenlanders dont want to give up on this for independence. So until they are able to sustain a proper welfare state themselves, they will stay in the "commonwealth" of Denmark together with Faroe Islands. Most Danish people probably feel a bit guilty of the past and dont mind supporting them with this quite substantial amount even though it does not really create any longterm benefits for Denmark. Lastly, this video totally skips the real elephant in the room: The enormous social problems in Greenland. They have very high levels of child abuse, suicide and domestic violence. But these are no longer areas under Danish jurisdiction (except for the law enforcement side of things).
@@peterfireflylund I've wondered whether the two are related. Alcoholism seems to be something more associated with northern countries whether it's a coping mechanism for the difficult winters. I loved visiting Iceland in the summer when there was no night just at dusk at most. It felt to be like paradise and then I wondered about the winter and shuddered
@@dmmw125 I dont know for sure. But I think it is more because of social problems. Inuits is traditionally a hunter society. From the 1950s and about 30 years on a lot of "modernisation" programs was carried out by Danish authorities. A lot of good intentions I guess, trying to transform Greenland into a welfare state in the image of Denmark itself. But it was done far to fast and forcefully - without enough understanding/respect of Inuit culture and tradition. As a result my understanding (but I am not an expert) is that while some/most people faired well and adapted to an "urbanised" lifestyle. But a lot did not, especially men. There has been major problems with alcoholism in Greenland, suddenly freely available, but unknown in the past. So I think it is - at least in part - to do with presence of guns, excessive drinking and severe identity problems. Very sad. Greenland went through a transformation from a hunter society to a welfare state in a few decades - something other nations spent 100s or even 1000s of years on.
in 2009, Greenland, after the Greenlandic election for self-government, had this introduced. Shortly afterwards, the Greenlanders (or those who had been in Denmark and received free education) came and wanted independence. Ok, the then Prime Minister Anders Fogh replied, you can have it tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow we will stop the block grant and other aid to Greenland! This did not arouse interest, as they believed that Denmark should continue to pay forever, while they could do as they pleased! So there is a bit of a problem with reason and justice among the fools from Greenland's so-called Freedom Movement, who have also had it introduced that they speak Greenlandic in the Danish parliament, even though they speak excellent Danish! And now the idiot Trump and his imperialist friends are also getting involved, so maybe we should ask China how much they want to pay for Greenland! they must pay better than the idiot and imperialist Trump
And don't forget that the "Greenlandic" politician, that made it so they can speak Greenlandic in the Danish parliament, was born in Denmark, educated in Denmark and even ran for and became nr. 6 in Miss Denmark 2015.
@@Sammyli99 Now the Inuit, who make up the largest part of Greenland's population, immigrated from Canada, and only came 300 years after the Vikings had settled in Greenland, the Scots, haven't taken Scotland from the English, have they? so here's a difference, In addition, Greenland costs us about 6 billion DKK a year, and the only thing the Danes get in return is whining and complaining, and that they want their freedom, but at the same time, the Greenlanders believe that we should continue to pay them, and put up with being shit poured over our heads by the Greenlanders, and those who have been educated in Denmark, and have been to university, and have been indoctrinated by extreme leftists are the worst! Not so long ago, the Danish parliament was forced to translate Greenlandic politicians themselves, who demanded to speak Greenlandic in the parliament, even though they spoke excellent Danish! And the Danish population has, countless times, had to suffer from Greenlandic votes when a party has promised them something, to vote to pass a law, even though the Danes are not allowed to decide anything that concerns the Danish population. So gradually, I feel cheated by the Greenlanders, and gradually I don't give a damn where they end up! What I am most angry about in this matter is the way an ally (the USA) behaves, and will have a hard time forgiving Trump and his Nazi association, who are no better than Putin and his gang of robbers
@@SMIDSY609 I haven't forgotten the corruption in the Greenlandic self-government either! so maybe they fit best together with criminal types like Trump
An independent Greenland would have challenges Its better to stay an autonomous state of denmark than independence, look what happened to the comoros after the french left.
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An independent Greenland will very quickly become a very dependent Greenland
That's precisely what they said about Iceland when it got its independence in the 40's.
True, especially when the world's largest military and economy wants you.
@@ThatIcelandicDude The difference is Donald Trump.
@@ThatIcelandicDude Iceland has a bigger population and is energy indepedent. It is better connected to Europe.
Greenland has the population of a micro state and the surface larger than Saudi Arabia.
@@ThatIcelandicDude Iceland doesn't require air and ship to move the majority of their vital goods between their cities, and Iceland have a far larger population stretching over far smaller landmass compared to Greenland.
The USA: I wouldn’t say “Independent”, more like “under new management”
you could think of it like that. Seems the Greenland government believes this will be better for them, looks like they will go with that too via referendum that will mean USA does not have to pay a dime to denmark
@@FreeSpeech-z6j What? The Greenlanders want independence, not to be under US control...
@@FreeSpeech-z6j the greenland government clearly wants to join the US that's why their top most chairperson said that they are not for sale and don't want to join anyone ... ??? How can two opposite things be true at the same time? Is this how your american brain works?
@@FreeSpeech-z6j A totally legit referendum. Unlike the one in Ukraine
Like Texas indépendance from Mexico … but honestly like Texas greenland will win in the deal
Bonus information: A 2017 poll showed that 78% of the Greenlanders do not want independence from Denmark if it leads to a drop in living standards.
Like Denmark, Greenland has access to free healthcare, unemployment benefits and free education including free access to Danish universities, and subsidies from Denmark cover more than half of Greenland's public expenses.
If we have learned anything from Brexit it is that voters can be convinced that something will be beneficial although it will be detrimental
I live in U.S. I think the folks in Greenland would surely have unexpected "opportunities" if US took over.. Whatever public benefits they have would be privatized if US took over. They could still go to university and do it by taking big loans. No more of that taxpayer funded medicine. And they would pay their own way for everything else. Donald Trump would give them the Libertarian opportunity to pull themselves up by their bootstraps!
Greenland also has 2 representatives in the Danish parliament. I doubt the USA is gonna provide education, healthcare, subsidies and give them representation in their Congress
@@isabellaloft3124 Absolutely, but Greenland is in a vastly different situation to the UK.
Greenland will face financial and systemic collapse on day 1 of independence, its an undeniable fact no matter how much you massage the numbers or lie about redistribution of funding. Greenland's budgets are mostly paid for by Denmark and not Greenlandic income, and Greenland is benefiting from a lot of Danish services and functions which they pay nothing for and which don't feature on their budgets. Greenland simply lacks the infrastructure to be independent, and even though Denmark has offered Greenland to create this infrastructure under the self-rule agreement, in large parts Greenland have elected not to shoulder the burdens of building and running such infrastructure themselves.
Greenland is not a vote away from independence, they are not even a vote and a money bag away from independence, they are years, even decades of work away from even being able to humor the idea of independence.
And you think Trump or Musk will say that ? Noo ....they will say the opposite! What politicians say on the begging that if you chose me ....I'll screw you ?!😂
It’s kind of rude to claim ‘shackles’ while taking €500 mill a year + Eu funds for years and years .. those shackles must be golden
Narh man, its oppression, they are getting forced to take the money.
Evil EU and Denmark forcing them to take money.
5 billon kroner a year.
Kinda reminds me of the polish. Biggest beneficiaries per capita of EU funds and yet the anti-EU rethoric runs rampant.
I agree. Only 87% have positive view on EU. They don't see benefits at all @@anonymous-hz2un
@Fab666. actually its closer to 1 billion euros per year alone from Denmark. But there are many who arent doing well, and we the danish are blamed for that. Despite the rejection of investments in to mining by Greenlandic ppl last election, that could have secured them a third of the money required Denmark pays. What is not talked about is how a lot of the skilled workers are danes. So there will be some sense of feeling less than by those who dont do well there. That is why you see an even greater push towards populism and towards doing things that will hurt the society, even though things risk becoming swallowed up by the USA, who dont have a record of treating their colonies anywhere near how we have treated ours. Even if we did do some things that also wasnt good at all, it just doesnt compare to how colonies are normally treated. Its quite a sensitive subject because there are onlu 56.000 greenlandic ppl and it doesnt take much to make them angry at us.
Im a Dane,and i just wants to point out that our state minister Mette Frederiksen have said that it is up to the Greenland people/Inuits etc. What they want to do. The future of Greenland lays in the choice of Greenland and its people.
These are all Danish people who made voter in Greenland. No such thing as Greenland people.
lol naive saps, you have been funding them forever, you could at least get sth out of it. Now China will take it
@@robertgeish5641 not exactly
@robertgeish5641 theres Inuits,Eskimo's in Greenland,so Yes theres such thing as Greenland people...i dont get your point...in my opinion it is totally fair that the people of Greenland chooses how the future of Greenland shall be...dont you think ?!!!
What if Elon Musk pays $50 000 to each voter who votes for joining the USA? It will cost him $2.1 billion max, an amount he earns in about a month.
Trump saying it's for America's national security, is like Putin saying that invading Ukraine is for national security. Absolute bs
"Greenland is important for our economic security" he changes what it is for depending on who asks i think. It is pathetic and i do believe that Panama, Canada, Greenland and Mexico should be on guard for hybrid warfare nonsense. The Russians have let the cat out of the recent bag with it. That is, if they dont decide to "just take it" it would dissolve Nato is they are going for Canada/ Greenland.
You mean selfishly immoral. It's obviously not BS.
Putler ordered him to create vision, so trump obeys.
This is so far out.. USA is in Greenland already. They closed the Thule Airbase, but if they wanted to have other bases.. Well they could just ask.. So they actually already have the military strategic control in the area...
Surely the difference is that Putin actually did invade Ukraine while Trump is just talk.
As a Dane I'm somewhat unsure what to think about this. Denmark has been preparing for Greenland to declare independence for quite a while, my understanding is that they don't because they aren't yet at a economical and infrastructural level where they can support themselves and so need money from Denmark. Supposedly they are waiting for the ice to melt so they can start selling the rights to the natural resources currently trapped below the ice. So in theory I don't really see a problem with Greenland declaring independence. But it should be on the initiative and premises that the Greenlander's want, not as part of a coercion by the US. I would also warn Greenland about what becoming a dependent of the US would really mean. I think looking at how they are treating both the native American's as well as the people of Puerto Rico, Hawaii and American Samoa would be warranted.
Or the political class can just chose to take a bribe and leave office after screwing the natives with dependence to the US. As has happened in several countries already.
Americans are talking about Greenland as if they already own them and wants to take what it is in their ground. Greenlandic ppl are gonna need support and that is something the current US administration will use to take control over their land. In the end they can decide they want to be treated badly by the US if they want to. But it isnt a choice I would make in the world we have right now, and before Greenland can stand alone on its own two feet
They really need to be in control of what benefits their country and not want Trump wants from them. They are actually in a good position on the world stage now given how bad Trump wants Greenland.
They need trade partners but only to their benefit and not anyone else. I worry about them becoming another colony of another country. Trump is not thinking about the Greenlanders he thinking of money only. Remember the old saying ‘the grass isn’t always greener’.
There is a huge difference between Green land being independent or becoming another state of US.
@@TakZ000If it becomes part of the US, it won't be a state but a territory. It's population is a tenth of Wyoming's.
"Shackles", mate we the Danish tax payer spend 785 million USD per year just on Greenland. I haven't even been to Greenland yet.
You should its a very nice place, i have family that goes there alot.
Then why don’t you leave it alone? Because of your good heart?
To be fair, when you're talking at a federal level, that's almost nothing. I mean, I'm pretty sure my state spends that on road maintenance alone every year.
@grSpyridon I don't think you're talking to the King of Denmark.
@@grSpyridon well my understanding is that most of us danes prefer to make sure people can live decent lives. im not sure what will happen if we stop the support but my general thought is that they may end up sneding them back economicly tho its not surtain.
If Greenland wants to even remotely keep the same living standards that they have now, the should not go independent.
they forget USA min wage in the Mercury soaked frakin mines is about $10, with no health cover.
@@Sammyli99in the US in industrial or mining job is not going to pay that little I work at a gas station and I still get paid 13
@@Sammyli99 Its Literally one of the highest paid sectors right now lol what are you smoking. In north Dakota right now its 20 bucks an hour to work at MC Donald's. because of how much money is in fraking.
They have the highest suicide rate of any place on earth and it’s almost double second place. Not saying they should be independence, but to imply the Inuit should be grateful to Denmark is a bit overly simplistic and dismissive
@@Sammyli99 So we are just making things up now huh?
Day after Greenland's independence:
"In a stunning turn of events, Greenland has been renamed 'Trumpland'." 😂
Orangeland
@@TheGIGACapitalist don’t eat the orange snow..
Just for the record: Greenland could have had independence a long time ago.
"What - we can not continue to get an 8.000 dollar subsidy pr inhabitant or year, if we go independent?"
No, independence means you become independent of Danish money...
"Woov - I didn't know that..."
Wasn't really possible "a long time ago".
@@fastertoveOh, it's about 10 years ago they spoke about independence.... The Greenlanders were surprised they wouldn't continue to receive their subsidy.
and take on the portion of the debt that you created.
@@NadNorgaard
"surprised" but in reality not really surprised. Much of this is internal politics, politicians preaching to the choir and frankly lack of education(an issue particular in the male population). The politicians in Nuuk knew, or should have known, and the locals went along with it (knowingly or not).
It is actually a 14.000 USD (100.000 DKK) subsidy from per inhabitant per year (5.7 Billion DKK divided by 57.0000 inhabitants). So around 56.000 USD per year for a family of 4 on Greenland - payed by Danish taxpayers.
You are missing a couple of quite important points: 75% of doctors on Greenland are Danes, so is 70% of the people in the public administation, 100% of law enforcement and a majority of teachers, both primary and secondary, and there is no real university level education beyond a VERY narrow selection with NO STEM what so ever. Most of those people are only there due to significant taxation benefits created by Danish governments, exactly intended to draw those people to Greenland. Just like the blockgrant, those benefits, and presumably most of the people, would disappear with independence. Greenland is not and will not be selfsufficient any time soon.
The usual argument of the colonizer.
@@TheisKrarupHansen thank you. This is just one (important) piece in the full picture.
@@ontisalaga1789 Define colonialism in the context of Greenland, please!
@@ontisalaga1789 HAHAHA, that is not a argument of a colonizer.
Its a fact, i am from the faroes another nation under the Kingdom Of Denmark, i know for a fact, that we would become a colony, if we left Denmark.
Just because people gain something from being a part of a kingdom doesnt mean its bad.
The same with Greenland, both the faroes and Greenland would become owned by oligarchs like Russia.
When both nations GDP is controled by like 5-6 families.
@@ontisalaga1789 you may think so, but those numbers are facts.
Greenland is not being oppressed by "colonial shackles". On the contrary, they have freedom to leave Denmark any time they choose. All it will take for Trump to get Greenland is to offer to pay the bill for keeping the country running. A bill we in Denmark have been paying for many decades. Then they will do a referendum, and that's it.
Its a bit more complicated than that, because he would have to say he wants to pay the bill, and not actually get any benefits either, because any naturaly minerals ect. still belongs to Greenland as it stands today. So its basically footing the bill and gaining zero benefits, even for Trump I doubt he will take that deal.
Just like the UK wasn't shackled by the EU. Only our billionaires
Not quite, the self-rule agreement is clear.
Voting for independence is how Greenland starts the process, but there are other requirements set forth as well.
Greenland has to show it can run without Danish institutions, services and functions.
Greenland has to show how it will fund its national budgets without Danish subsidy.
Greenland has to show how it can maintain territorial integrity under the UN mandate which grants Denmark 100% ownership of Greenland currently (long story but look up Norway trying to colonize east Greenland in the early 20th century.)
Greenland and Denmark has to negotiate the details of the secession.
After all this Greenland has to vote again to ratify the work done, and finally the Danish parliament has to vote to approve it all, only then can Greenland become independent under the self-rule agreement.
It's absolutely wrong to say Greenland can just vote to gain independence, its a much more involved and complex process and even if Greenland votes yes to independence there is no path currently to actually gain it under the self-rule agreement because Greenland doesn't fulfill any of the requirements set forth for its independence as of this time.
Parts of the current Danish parliament also say they wont vote for independence if it means giving Greenland to USA.
@@Kianwan Trump would likely say whatever gullible people want to hear... then he would deny the promises he made and take what he wants.
The difference is we will exploit the resources in Greenland and provide increased opportunity and employment opportunities for the residents. Plus they will have the opportunity to move to the USA if they want to as well. Send everyone to Disney World during a Florida Winter and many will opt to move to the lower 48 over their frozen hellscape, LOL.
4:40 Damn Greenland, nice netherite deposits
you mean ancient debris?
@luukvst1032 Nono, denis is the thing ingot is crafted from
😂
No wonder Trump wants Greenland in order to be fully stacked with netherite armor / gear
@@nicolasiiiletzar7984Big, beautiful netherite armor, Jesus can you imagine how beautiful it is? Is the best armor I've ever seen, and believe me I've seen a lot of armors 'cause you know I'm an expert on armors, just ask anybody and they will tell you how big of an expert I am, there is nobody who knows more when it comes to armors.
I wonder what will actually improve for Greenlanders once they are independent of DK. Shouting "we want independence" is one thing, being an independent country, however, entails many things ... and many of these cost money.
Good luck!
As we've seen with Brexit, a critical subset of the (any) population doesn't think quite that far and are susceptible to any person who boastfully and confidently will claim independence is in their interest; even if those claims are void of sources and sound reasoning.
@mr-boo As a former Austrian chancellor (is said to have) once said: People are primarily stupid and reactionary.
I am not sure what more we can do in Denmark to please the Greenlanders, who are btw roughly 10-15% danish and danish mixed, but the geopolitical situation is very dangerous for the artic. In a small population of even 56.000 just random facebook comments can easily create anger towards Denmark. It is even more sensitive up there because many are not doing so well, and Denmark get the blame for that. For us 6 billion danish kroner is a lot to spend already on 56.000, who dont see themselves as part of us, and we dont stand to gain anything from Greenland in the future as we agreed with them whatever minerals is found is 100% theirs. Not ours. But I think many danish care because they can easily make their life worse up there, if they are not able and ready to stand on their own. If they really do want independence they need to say yes to mining companies that want to invest in them. They rejected the offer that could bring them a third of the bloc aid we give them, over 50 years. Because they care about their environment and pullution. Which is fair, but even that was blamed on Denmark. I think if somebody farts in Greenland there will be an inuit will say we are responsible.
@@ronnie5329honestly Denmark is already being pretty generous, I’m actually surprised that Danes aren’t more mad about spending so much money on a land that wants to leave you
@@danix4883Well, there are some who are unhappy about it. On the othet hand, Denmark and Greenland share a history, and a majority of danes would like Greenland to be part of out kingdom in the most current poll. Also, 10-15% of Greenlanders are danish and danish mixed. There is 29.000 greenlandish ppl in Denmark who are getting free education as they are not big enough to have a proper university. But because so many who are in Greenland are doing poorly, as you know, someone else will get the blame for that, if its immigrants here in Denmark, or in Greenland it will be the danes who will be blamed. It is a very known mechanism and it can easily lead to Greenland making bad deciscions. Just look at how even brexit could happen. It is even easier to see Greenlandish ppl make a bad choice out of spite
How is getting annexed by U.S independence?
Especially when Denmark is the world leader in legalizing things.
lol this just sounds like the thing putler went on lol i can just imagine trump going to Nuuk and be like: you are americans now!" i dont think trump would like his reception.
Ask Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines...
@@Bifariamlitteraly only Puerto rico is a territory of the US. Cuba and the Philippines are both independent countries.
@@BlakeLyon-s2m Yes but the way they got there was less than straight.
Independence from Denmark = Bending over for the US
Not really..... Grennland have been trying to get independence long before Trump ever became president but the US have tried to buy greenland multiple times.
@@getalper So you think they should be kept on a leash by Europe forever? Classic European mindset. "It's for their own good"
Chih-nah
@@PresAlexWhit says the hypocritical American
If you really think that then America should release all its overseas territories
@@lester8403 They get subsidies of over 500 million per year from Denmark just to keep their country afloat. Where will that come from if they're independent? Please tell me
The title itself is kind of wrong, if Greenland want independence they just have to have a vote about it, that’s it!
But they need a companion to keep their economy going, independence alone isn’t going to help them survive.
@@oo0Spyder0oo Thats whats Denmark is doing for them, while NOT exploiting the lands natural resources in anyway.
No, the self-rule agreement is clear.
Voting for independence is how Greenland starts the process, but there are other requirements set forth as well.
Greenland has to show it can run without Danish institutions, services and functions.
Greenland has to show how it will fund its national budgets without Danish subsidy.
Greenland has to show how it can maintain territorial integrity under the UN mandate which grants Denmark 100% ownership of Greenland currently (long story but look up Norway trying to colonize east Greenland in the early 20th century.)
Greenland and Denmark has to negotiate the details of the secession.
After all this Greenland has to vote again to ratify the work done, and finally the Danish parliament has to vote to approve it all, only then can Greenland become independent under the self-rule agreement.
It's absolutely wrong to say Greenland can just vote to gain independence, its a much more involved and complex process and even if Greenland votes yes to independence there is no path currently to actually gain it under the self-rule agreement because Greenland doesn't fulfill any of the requirements set forth for its independence as of this time.
Like when the UK voted for Brexit. That went well didn't it?
@@NATIK001 But Greenland also refuses to work towards anything that could help make it economically viable in pursuing independence, namely by actually letting the incredible natural resources be exploited.
They could make up the money Denmark covers at lightning speed if they actually sold some permits and taxed some mining income, but they refuse to. So what do they have left? Literally only fishing, and extreme overfishing at that.
"oh no, we can't let our nature be touched by mining, but let's fucking wreck our oceans by overfishing to such a degree that we can't really even be a proper part of the EU due to fishing quotas"
It's absolute insanity.
As a Dane I am all for independence, however as have been confirmed several times by various Danish governments, it won't be paid for by Denmark. Greenland currently runs a massive deficit without support from Denmark and have no way of making it up elsewhere, if they don't fix that then independence from Denmark will either result in economic collapse instantly or dependence on someone else.
That is before we even get to mention all the things Denmark pays for now which don't feature on the Greenlandic budgets, just looking at GDP vs national budget only tells half the story of how dependent Greenland is.
Honestly unless Greenland just wants to exchange Denmark for some other power to be dependent on, they won't leave the kingdom any time in the foreseeable future.
I kinda wish Greenland could just leave because I am sick of listening to how everything is Denmark's fault from Greenlandic politicians, even when Greenland has been allowed home-rule and self-rule for a long time now. The Faroese whine a lot less and are in a much better position for independence, and I think there is at least a weak causal relationship between these two facts.
I would love to have Greenland stay in the Kingdom of Denmark, but I want a healthy Greenland, not the Greenland we have right now, which acts much like the UK acted while in the EU, constantly blaming local issues on others. If Greenland wants to hold that attitude I would rather it leave the kingdom.
Drumming up independence support like this is just another example of this attitude issue, Greenland's politicians know well it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of supporting itself in independence, they are only talking about this to drum up nationalistic attitudes and support, not because they can accomplish anything, and they are only hurting their relationship with Denmark over it. Has to be said that some Danish politicians are just as divisive though and the Greenlandic politicians aren't alone, but the divisive attitude is a lot more prevalent in Greenlandic politics than Danish national politics where the overriding stance is reconciliation and unity.
No reason why not. The state of Missouri alone outproduces all of Denmark. Combined, the U.S. has over 60x the economic capability.
All of commenters here seem to think Greenland can not survive without Denmark, but reality is that an independent Greenland would be filled with US investments that with Denmark it could never achieve.
Even if there if no annexation of the nation, Greenland would see a flood of commitment like never before which would jumpstart their economy.
This is literally the excuse that every imperialist regime uses to justify occupation. "We can't give you freedom, because it would cost you too much. We're oppressing you for your own good!" Congratulations, you're opposed to basic human rights and the consent of the governed, while maintaining a dishonest facade of moral superiority. How nice.
@@roy6907 What you are proposing isn't independence, and Greenland cannot be independent at this time even if USA gave them 10 times what Denmark does right now, because Greenland doesn't have the infrastructure to run itself. Greenland has been offered by Denmark under the self-rule agreement that Greenland can build local infrastructure to run itself, but it has largely elected to not shoulder this responsibility because Greenland lacks resources, especially manpower and expertise for this.
Right now Greenland can only choose who will be its master, it cannot run itself, it's not a question of independence, only who to be dependent upon, and your proposal is not independence, it's functionally the same as US annexation, if anything its worse because Greenland won't have a political influence in USA if its not a part of USA and will steamrolled all the more for it.
(side note, google tells me Missouri in fact does not have a higher GDP than Denmark, though it is close, unless you account for purchasing power then its actually quite a bit behind Denmark and it also has a slightly higher population.)
Dårlig ide! Vi bliver nød til at stoppe dem. Grønland er alt for strategisk vigtigt
@@roy6907 The people running the Greenlandic service economy are all Danes, most of which would literally just return to Denmark. Its few urban population centers would be emptied as it's unlikely the Inuit will migrate there (if we ignore the possibility of them just migrating to Denmark as well). Greenland is at best just going to be a massive American military base, and at worst a tourist colony.
Additionally, the American federal government can't even get the Department of Defense to explain what they spent their >800 billion dollar budget on, and it's not like they can build more infrastructure to benefit the civilian population anyways, for the Danes have already built it.
The fact that Greenland actually has its own distinct identity shows how "not to bad" the Danish colonial administration has been to the Inuit people. Look at the Innuit and Indians in the Americans.... Not much left.
Imagin Greenland getting independence and becomes a part of some sort of US trade bloc. There live 50.000 people in Greenland. I give it 20 years and there will be 100.000+ Americans there to fill jobs for a new mineral/Oil industry. End of the innuit culture. I think the people of Greenland has to think very carefully. Also, what is it exactly they can get from not being part of Denmark? I don`t get it.
It hasn’t been bad *lately*, but trust me, as a Dane, there is plenty to be ashamed of.
Native Greenlandic people were treated similarly to Australian Aboriginal people: children taken away from their families so they could be “civilized” and their native culture erased, and this went on well into the second half of the 20th century.
Only thing we can do now as a country is to let them (re)develop as a nation and give them all the economical support they need to achieve this. After that, it’s their choice whether to remain part of the Kingdom or to become fully independent, though I don’t see any hope of them doing the latter without being invaded by Americans.
@@MatteoCampinoti94nobody is native to that ice block.
@@MatteoCampinoti94 Yeah. Well. Welcome to history. Most of the past was shit for most people. The Germans also tried to erase Danish and Polish culture. The Arabs tried to erase the cultures of North Africa (and succeeded), etc. I think its time to look at modern times and not keep looking at the past.
@@MatteoCampinoti94 On the question of development. I heard that the ruling party in Greenland dosen`t want to do mineral and Oil, because they want to protect the environment. So hey...
You are joking right. Denmark sterilized a huge part of Greenlands female population so they would not "multiply themselves", They also emigrated them from the Island and forced them to be Danish, but they were not allowed the same salery as Danes by law. The Danes have been treating Greenlenders like garbage for centuries.
Greenland: we want independence
America: did I hear “fire rate of 6000 freedoms per minute”?
@@KrzysztofBob Funnily enough thats not actually true based on voting records historically. If they go independant it would be way more expensive so historicallly they have always wanted to be a part of Denmark
While the US military has a “successful” record of intervening in a hostile Panama and controlling the Canal Zone, the history of US operations in Greenland with full cooperation is hazy. Think about the fact a NASA surveying mission recently found a long forgotten US base in the Greenland ice and the story about how much resource went into its construction and its abandonment after only a decade because the speed of ice movement made it untenable. The Artic isn’t just simply a cold desert, even air supply operations from temporary strips are very complex up there.
Any nation with that small a population, much less a large, barren, remote island one, is bound to either live in poverty or be dependent on some other government. It's honestly insulting that Denmark pays for their stuff and gives them a great quality of life but they just go "muh colonialism 😤" like grow up
In 1979, Greenland was granted home rule, and in 2009, Greenland was given the opportunity to become independent. That was 16 years ago-written out as sixteen years. Since then, Greenland has received at least 16 billion dollars. Since 1979, Greenland has received 46 billion dollars, all paid by Danish taxpayers, while those same taxpayers have seen their welfare state lack funds.
The reason Greenland has not become independent is that they do not want to lower their standard of living-so much for the desire and will to be independent. From my perspective, it's like a marriage where one person says in the morning, "I want a divorce," but by the evening realizes they have no money and says, "I'll wait until tomorrow." This show has been going on for 16 years and continues, all the while money keeps rolling into the accounts of the Greenlandic population. This is not fair to Danish taxpayers.
I don't begrudge Greenland the money as a Danish citizen, in fact I think its great that we are funding Greenland to make sure it doesn't collapse under our watch. However I am annoyed that Greenlandic politicians run the vast majority of their state with money they take from Denmark with one hand, while they use the other to fan the flames of discontent.
Denmark has been incredibly hands off with Greenland for decades, and granted Greenland every opportunity to fix issues and make choices themselves, but somehow everything is still Denmark's fault. The prior misdeeds of Denmark aren't "shackling" Greenland any more, in fact Denmark is bending over backwards to not shackle Greenland.
It's very telling that Greenland isn't even claiming all the self-rule powers Denmark offered Greenland under the self-rule agreement, instead opting to let Denmark keep running a massive amount of services and functions despite Greenland being able to take them over at any point, but even with Danish support Greenland doesn't have the resources to be as independent as it could be. How do anyone fool themselves into believing Greenland would have any chance without Danish support, or someone else's?
Independence means independence, it doesn't mean living on your own while someone else foots the bill for you. They cannot have their cake and eat it too.
@@NATIK001 I believe this is an incredible naivety, lacking an understanding of how the world works. Just a small example: a passport costs more than twice as much in Denmark as it does in Greenland. They want independence, but only as long as it doesn’t cost money or affect their standard of living. In Greenland, a few families hold the power, and I think they want even more power. In doing so, they create a narrative that is far from reality.
I also don’t mind that we pay, but if they choose independence, the flow of money stops. That’s not what Greenland wants-they want complete independence while Denmark continues to pay block grants and other subsidies for another 10-20 years until Greenland can manage on its own. How long that will take is a very good question.
@@holgerandersengrn3457
> In Greenland, a few families hold the power
Motzfeldt, Kleist, Egede... ?
It is interesting that all those politicians who want to liberate Greenland from the shackles of Danish colonialism have the same family names as those evil colonisers 😂.
@@peterfireflylund Høegh also Høegh-Dam
When discussing about the future status of Greenland, one thing to consider in the equation is the huge amount of money Denmark is pouring to the island. EU also pays something for the fishing rights. If the United States wants to acquire the island, it must persuade the population first. Will it offer as much money to the Greenlanders and to their social benefits and health care?
You know it absolutely would not, lol.
@@Li-Fu7 yes, that was my point. Then, perhaps Elon Musk can pay each Greenlander a million, if they join the USA, that might persuade them.
@@patrickuotinen that can cover few years of health insurance. That’s it.
@luigifranceschi2350 they would have many options. For instance, maybe after receiving their million they would immigrate to Denmark.
@ I think if they wanted to abandon their ancestral home they would have done that already. They are already danish citizens, as well as EU. If they wanted to leave they could.
They can afford about 7 minutes of independance.
After that they'll have to declare bankrupcy because they ran out of danish subsidies and EU money.
The horrible colonialism of recieving fat cash checks, i wish my back yard would also be such a lucrative colony.
There are no shackles. Greenkands gets a boatload of money every year to maintain basic jnfrastructure and government costs.
Same as the Dutch Antilles. They became independent and they are begging for Dutch money every year because they cant balance the budget.
Denmark controls who trades with Greenland. Greenland if independent could make its own trade decisions and will be free to trade with whoever they want. And they will not be dependent on Denmark any longer. Your argument was the exact ones made by White Supremacists in the USA where they said that the black man needs the White man to be successful, all the while, making sure they are in a disadvantaged position. Now, centuries later, we have White Americans dying on opioids. Oh how the tables have turned.
And Dutch citizens don't even have unrestricted access to the Dutch Antilles.
If children get an allowance, that doesn't mean they're not under the thumb of their parents. If they want to declare independence and become insolvent on their own terms, then that's their business.
@@RickJaegeryeah, but at that point you shouldn't expect to still get the allowance right
@@Alex.af.Nordheim Naturally. Is that not already the case?
The video: Greenland wants independence
Americans: Greenland would love to become a US colony
The three letter gangs is pushing hard on this one.
“Americans”. Yes, the average American going to work today is concerned with Greenland. They weigh heavily on the cashiers mind at Walmart.
(Edit: and yes, I know you likely mean the US government, but specify such. We get mad when Americans over generalise the rest of the world, don’t we?)
Trump* bro the average American literally does not care one single bit about this, whether Greenland is part of the USA or not, Americans literally do not care
@@SLD-bz9so A lot of people in the comments _now_ care about Greenland, now Trump has brought it up. Don't underestimate Trump's sway over his base.
A simple and easy way for Trump to expand 'Murican territory and fulfill his "Manifest Destiny". Britain has been trying to get rid of the Pitcairn Islands for 50 years, but with a population of 44, they are way too small for independence and no neighboring countries want them. So Britain could sell Pitcairn to Trump for $1 and everyone is happy. :)
Not Americans. 1 guy. It's one dude.
They wanted to be independent since they voted to leave EU in 1982 due to fishing quotas. In that time frame their politicians have done absolutely nothing to rely less on the Danish handout. Its all campaign talk and a pipe dream.
The second they leave the danish realm and lose the protection it gives all the major players will pounce on them for their minerals and oil.
you can always leave Denmark. You can never leave the US.
Right I’m just looking at the Philippines and Cuba… AND when the USA gave Denmark Greenland back after they abandoned it in the second WW. You need a history lesson bud lol
Greenlad should stay with Europe for the future security
NATO
why ?
Greenland should go to China
Greenland should join the US for future security
@@bartsmits1185 NATO is one big joke. US is the power of NATO, poland is 2nd. no one thinks "gosh, hope italy is gonna come save us." lol
Fun fact: Ohio State University has 66k students. Greenland has 56k in total population.
and the danes turned them all into pissheads
And you got 3 mio homeless on your streets but weapons is more important to spend money on.
@@queenbrightwingthe3890 The homeless people are mostly people who choose to take drugs.
@@queenbrightwingthe3890you don't even understand scale. It's hilarious.
as a dane i of course respect Greenland and the greenlandic people, but it would be a bad idea for Greenland to seperate from Denmark
Why would it be a bad idea?
Because the greenlandic people are more thule people from Canada and all the schools and hospitals were built by danes and are sustained by danes so no danes no modern education and healthcare.@@lester8403
@@lester8403 Greenland’s economy is dependent on Denmark’s support
@@lester8403 Because of the needs of a welfare state system, adopted from Denmark! Believe me, Greenland don't want to throw that out the window!
We pay their budget, they have access to the EU, danish doctors, and use danish systems. The money Denmark has spent on Greenland could make every greenlander a millionaire. It's not a trick in the same way Scotland has their money go through London. They actually don't have much money, and are plagued by alcoholism and a host of other societal issues (many caused by Denmark during the early 1900's only really stopping around 1960)
They would loose a lot of benefits if they were to leave.
It's their decision to leave, but in my eyes it would be short sighted, and not beneficial for the people. All the best to Greenland though, including right to self-determination
I think that Greenland will soon come to know whether being dependent on Denmark or the US is better. The US would treat Greenland like a colony, as they do with a lot of other countries. It would not respect anything, but pounce on the resources of Greenland. Effectively the only thing protecting Greenland from that is Denmark
So your saying if America invaded Denmark would declare war on the U.S, good luck with that
@@dwightchurchstone3042 I assume you are american since you already jumped to the military
@tartaglia420 how else would Denmark protect Greenland? If you have an idea they might wanna know? plus who says Denmark won't send up the minning industry by themselves?
@@dwightchurchstone3042 Protection doesn't only mean military force. In this case it refers to the social and economic benefits that Greenland gets from Denmark. Aka, the thing protecting the quality of life of Greenland is Denmark.
Also in the case you described the US would be the aggressor, but it would mean invading an allies' land lmfao.
@@dwightchurchstone3042 also in regards to mining, a difference between the USA and the EU is that over here we actually have environmental laws that are enforced and respected.
I think it was a big mistake to use mercator projection for this video, as it makes Greenland look much, much bigger than it actually is.
I sympathize with the residents of Greenland, but we're moving into an era of of conflict, and they have a high degree of autonomy under the Danish government. Big players like the US and Russia would definitely make a play for it. Now is not the best time to go full independent. As an American I wish nothing but the best for Greenland and it is ultimately their own decision whether they do or not, but seeing the way things are going right now, it's better to stay under the EU's umbrella.
There is no way in hell 50,000 people could defend a country the size of Greenland.
Iceland has no military so it's not really the biggest problem for an independent Greenland.
China be like ice been part of china since ancient times, with a fake tiktok compaign stating ho,w 95% of greenland people want unification with their mother land of CCP, they made people belive russia invading ukrain was US fault, they conv8ced the world they r leaders in green energy, heck they conviced many they r #1 economy
what about nato lol
They are part of NATO, let the Russians try.
@@Paula_Deen_Guy_Fieri
The US literally just threatened to invade Greenland.
Given the track record of US government vs indigenous populations I believe the people of Greenland would be insane to want to join the US.
They would very likely not see a single cent of profit generated from natural resources found on Greenland.
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 👍 Agreed, l am Native American of the Six Nations, none of the treaties our people signed with the U.S. have been honored by the American government.
I honestly don't see anything other than full absorption into the United States if Greenland becomes independent. It really doesn't have any economic incentive to break away like that. There is a reason why it stayed with Denmark for so long. It is, for now, beneficial, especially at a time like this.
I don’t think the people who live in Greenland actually wants independance historically. At least in terms of voting history
Financially, independence does not pay off for the Greenlanders
seems the people there very much like idea of become part of the most powerful and wealthiest nation in human history.
They have way to small of a population to have a functional state.
@@lgnfveWhat's your evidence for that?
@@lgnfve they like self governance, not being American
A victim of colonialism finally gets independence and then immediately gets invaded by the US? What is this? 1899?
USA won't have to invade an independent Greenland, it will be sold to the highest bidder because it cannot financially support itself, so USA just have to outbid China.
Greenland is running deficits in the order of +50% of their national budgets annually, and that is before counting all the things Denmark pay for outright that doesn't feature on Greenlandic budgets. Greenland has no chance of financial independence, and a declaration of independence from Denmark can only result in economic collapse or selling Greenland to the highest bidder, there is no other alternative on the table right now.
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nice try wu mao bot, we are not accepting "Free speech" from cina 50 cent army
Is this a reference to the Philippine-American war?
@@Huobaojiqiyes
As a Dane, I definitely support Greenland's continued participation in the Kingdom of Denmark. They are an integral, valued part of our culture and realm
I couldn't agree more. However it is their own choise, so it's up to them.
However that some people think they would want to join the US is just ridiculous and honestly shows how little they know about greenlanders.
Greenland doesn't belong to Denmark to begin with. You stole it from Norway. Let Greenland be free. Denmark is one of the worst racist colonial countries. Slave trade in Africa, sterilizing woman in Greenland, tresating them like garbage. Denmark has nothing to be proud about and should leave Greenland.
@@chrislambaa7586 you can always try to give away some free hats and take a photo of people wearing them on your next tourist trip xD
@@chrislambaa7586 I agree very much. It assumes that greenland is just a puppet state for other nations to play around with, very insulting
As a Dane, I have to say that people of Greenland have nothing to do with Danish culture. They have their own culture and language, and the only reason they are in our realm is for political and historical reasons.
I think Greenlanders have to be really careful with how they approach their trade relations with the US, don't want to see them end up like Nauru
The Inuits will be given a plot of fenced off land so they won’t interfere with drilling and mining for sure.
Exactly, Nauru joined BRI and sold its soul
@@FreeSpeech-z6jThey shouldn't have mismanaged the phosphorane bonanza then. People will pay for their own ruling class's idiocy. With their "soul", if necessary.
For a split second I thought there was a new presenter, but it was just the Prime Minister of Greenland
Greenland will never be a US state XD can't believe we're even discussing this nonsense. Also, for Greenland to 'finally' become independent is pure stupidity as a country of that land mass with so little people and such a weak economy (on such a strategic location with so many resources) would be eaten by the sharks and wolves. Being part of Denmark is actually saving this country from complete takeover by foreign players and exploitative profit hungry corporations.
As a dane, I respect their right to self determination, and hope for the best for Greenlanders, independant from Denmark or remaining part of the realm.
I lament the pain they have gone through at our hands, however we're in new times. The recent insult to the danish state is unprofessional. I fear that a corrupt despot is steering Greenland into the abyss. Not to the benefit of the people, but of the few.
Denmark should strongly state its claim over Greenland. We Europeans should stop feeling guilt over our past actions and realise that we are in a new era were we have to establish ourselves again in the world.
Greenland is Danish
Greenland has depended on grants from Denmark, and couldn't afford to be independent. If Greenlands gets independence politically, they will still be depending on econimic grants and military support, or have to sell out ! .
That PM speaking the language of professional victim.
Minecraft helps me understand the news better
Once Greenland becomes Independent from Demark, they are no longer part of Nato e and thus not under Article 5 and would have to apply for membership in Nato!
They only have 57,000 people so they have no hope of economic potential for the next 50 years. They are smaller than Iceland!
While they are waiting for Membership, the US will mover in and take it over without firing a shot.
So I doubt they will seek independence!
You never know, they might be stupid enough to be fooled by Trump and Elon, and decide against their interest. Easily done
idk if the US would annex it and they would have to fire shots to do so nayway
Brother, there are small towns with a higher population than greenland, they are dependent on the wider world no matter what.
as a Danish person i dont really mind Greenland wanting independence, i think it makes sense for them to want it and i want them to have it as such. but i am worried about the US these days
They already have a complete roadmap towards gaining as much independance as they want, inside or outside the kingdom of Denmark over the next 40 years. I dont understand the rush, in a very geopolitical unstable world. It makes zero sense to do it quickly. Its not like Denmark gain anything from Greenland financially, we have already made that deal. A free Greenland will be extremely dependent on another country then, the USA. As both china and russia will eye out Greenland due to the arctic. The idea that another nation will give them this level of independence and actually respect their suvernity is a fantasy world. But as you know, populism cares not about facts. And in a small population the attitude will very quickly change.
with all due respect, USA securing Greenland is security for Europe. Or can i interest you in trying your hand at being subverted by cina?
@FreeSpeech-z6j NATO is securing Greenland, and can secure Greenland with even more investments on its way. But the USA want access to Greenlands rare earth minerals and wont listen to the Greenlandic ppl, there is not chance of Greenland having more independence to decide what happens as they have now. They recently decided to say no to a mining company that would bring them a lot of money. Denmark has no say in that matter, as we already give them that ability
@@FreeSpeech-z6j i mean at the end of the day its big countries trying to influence smaller once, what i am worried about is what Trump might try to do to Denmark. then again, we already made it so that Greenland can leave if they have a majority vote for independence. so its not like i am shaking about it
This is only a conversation right now because the US literally wants to annex Greenland lol... I'd be amazed if the independence line didn't come straight from the US in recent conversations
Basically, they want indipendence but they can't because their economy isn't good enough and changing overlord wouldn't change anything
An interesting note is that the inuit cultures that lived in Greenland pre viking no longer exists. The current inuit culture, called Thule, emigrated from Cananda reaching Greenland around 1300.
So in actual fact, Scandinavians has been present in Greenland around 300 years longer then the "indigenous people" of Greenland.
The inuit people of Greenland today, share more DNA with Danish people, then the pre existing Dorset inuit culture, which they share non with.
Denmark did not conquer a country and people. There was no country when the vikings settled and the country that exists now, was build by the Danes and the Thule people together.
"...So in actual fact, Scandinavians has been present in Greenland around 300 years longer then the "indigenous people" of Greenland."...
- Scandinavians weren't present in Greenland continuously.
Factually inaccurate. The norse settlements were abandoned soon after they were established and danish people didnt start resettling until around 1700. Vast majority are today of inuit descent and consider themselves greenlandic, not Danish
@@steinarjakobsen4947 from around the year 1000 until about 1400 there were norse settlements.
@ Yes, and then they disappeared and Thule people took over from around 1300
@@steinarjakobsen4947 But they werent abandoned soon after they were established.
And in the interim period, there were european fishermen in the area. It was Norwegian fishermen who tipped Hans Egede about Greenland.
Greenland has the Authority to decide over their own future. But now they have healhcare, no mass school shootings etc. etc. I am sure that staying in Europe is the best voor the greens. Otherwise we will need greenland to for a better future. Own recourses and materials for a green transition.
So they will go from very good rights and living to a country that makes it's citizens pay for healthcare lol
Danish citizens pay for Greenland's healthcare
Bankruptcy for everyone and we the Indigenous natives get to experience IHS healthcare
@bean8008 soon America won’t be subsidizing the EUs social networks…health care won’t be free soon once the Danes have to start spending on various things the US provide…like national defense spending, R&D development…ect…y’all got good living off US tax payers…be ready for even higher taxes with less services….hahaha
So they go from having someone else pay for it to paying for it themselves? Sounds like responsibility…
As a Dane i support full independence. But then also we close any payment from Denmark as they can support them self, with the many resources they have underground. No Danish tax money to Greenland, no danish police and so.
Neanderthal!
Er en dårlig strategisk ide at give Grønland op!
They rejected the mining operation a 4 years ago, that could land them a third of the bloc aid Denmark gives, over 50 years. The Greenlandic ppl decided to say no to that because of environmental damage. I am afraid they will have no say if the US comes along. Well, we all know they dont care about anything. And Greenland needs protection due to its role in the arctic, where Russia and China dont see a problem claiming them as Free real estate. And the current deal with Denmark allows even greater move to independance. If they think they will get the same treatment from the US I would advice them to open a book, and also look at how unstable the nation is currently. I support their move towards even greater dependance inside the danish kingdom, and also outside of it if when the time is right, and it is coming from a healthy place. but they have to be smart about it so they dont lose what they already fought for. And currently they are not, too many of the 56.000 are not doing so well and Denmark is blamed for even if someone farts up there. It is a place that is fairly easy to destabilize, which Trump currently is trying to. I would like Greenland to stay in danish kingdom, and we should invest more in to Greenland.
But we have already stretched ourselves so far to give them a roadmap for independance, and for taking back each of the areas we currently run. We do not stand to gain anything financially from Greenland, I am probably not the only one who fear the greenlandic ppl will get a raw deal, as they are only 56.000 ppl living up there, with a huge landmass and minerals that in next 50 years will be able to make them independent, inside or outside the kingdom of Denmark. But all the big powers are currently eyeing up Greenland as well, even the USA. It is a very unstable geopolitical world we have right now. I hope the discourse in Greenland will reflect this, or else they can easily lose the independance they already have. They already can say yes and no to investments, but its fair to say they want more investments from Denmark. Even though i believe we build their new airport even, so hopefully tourism can boom
If you really don't care about giving up Greenland that much. At least demand a trillion dollars for it
@sonneh86 you missed the whole point in Greenland own independence didnt you. Let me guess your American.
If Greenland think its bad being a part of Denmark they should leave. But if they think the grass is greener on the other side @US/Russia/China i think they are very wrong. They wont stay "independent" loong.
@@fakkel321 What are you talking about…Greenland is already 100% dependent on the the United Sates for national defense…so is Denmark…the EU is owned by the United States…we have multiple bases in each EU contrite country…6 in Denmark alone if you count Greenland bases. There is not one foreign base in America…think about that.
@@robbycook4298 Did you watch the video ? or just saying stuff to try and sound smart. I was commenting on the fact Greenland want to be independent.
Sovereign independence means something very different today from what it meant when I saw the Union Flag replaced by the Kenyan flag at Uhuru Park in Nairobi 61 yrs ago. If Greenland is to remain sovereign, what military will defend it? Will it refuse all overseas aid? The entire premis that a non-indigenous presence is colonialism is so antiquated. Who is native and who are not? Radio waves, internet connections, climate change, technological and scientific innovation, each recognise no national boundaries. How much more secure is Ukraine today as a sovereign state, than it was as part of the Soviet Union? Will Greenlanders be more free under the flag of a Trumpian United States?
USA will defend it dude
@@FreeSpeech-z6jthen it isn't independence because international diplomacy is transactional. The US will demand something from it in return. Greenland has independence+ in my opinion. They may take diplomatic action in matters which only concern Greenland and recieve 25% of their GDP in a grant from Denmark plus all of the other hidden services like doctors and police force, have better proportional represantion in parlaiment than danes and can leave anytime they want to if they so choose. The only demand we have of them is that they learn danish in school and are beholden to broader danish foreign policy and even then, because they are not part of the EU. Honestly if Germany offered the same deal to Denmark right now, I'd take it with both hands. Them whining about "shackles of colonialism" is very childish. They are getting the best deal they are ever going to get and they still act like Denmark is France in Algeria. There are no shackles. They are sitting on a golden pillow and just have to walk to the door if they want leave.
Ukraine is -- in spite of everything -- better and more secure now than it was during the Holodomor as part of the Soviet Union.
Their primary language is Danish but nearly all also know the Greenlandic language. Their culture is very connected with Denmark with around 20.000 of them being in Denmark right now. and the population rounded up to a total of 60.000 in Greenland.
Their was a large inbreeding problem in the native Greenlandic population that had to do with the low population number forcing them to inbreed. This is no longer as big an issue but now nearly every person in Greenland have Scandinavian roots.
It would be actually beneficial to join US tho. Imagine a state of 50k citizens gets to elect 2 US senators and have 3 electoral votes 😂
I'd have to buy a house so I could vote there. Really make my voice count. I don't think statehood was ever on the table though.
No one is getting statehood in USA as things stand right now, the divide between left and right means that any attempts to raise territories to statehood fails before it even gets off the ground.
Greenland would be fools to accept a deal with the promise of statehood since the reality of American politics is that no one can actually guarantee that the promise will be upheld, its too big a process for that.
Greenland is also very left leaning so there is no chance the Republicans will be the ones to give them two senators or any amount of representatives, it could keep the Republicans from holding the senate for decades to come.
We (the US) don't need Greenland for national security so long as Greenland remains in NATO.
Speaking of annexation probably doesn't help with that.
@@jeffbenton6183 nope, this mess is all because Trump has discovered that Greenland holds a lot of resources. Mind you, resources the Greenlandic people has repeatedly decided to leave in the ground in order to not mess up the environment.
A few points about Greenland : They have been looking for oil for 50 years now, with help from companies like Chevron, Shell and Exxonmobil. But all drilling has come up dry so far.
Nothing prevents US mining companies from investing in Greenland now. So why is there not a mining boom for all those rare earth minerals? The problem is simply the cost of extracting those minerals. If Greenland was so profitable, they would not need money from Denmark.
And the ice is not melting any time soon. A conservative estimate is 10.000 years for all the ice to melt, if temperatures keep rising at the current rate.
USA wants exclusivity, cina will move in and subvert the greenland government and then denmark will abandon it like portugal abandoned Timor Leste
Also the icelandic people have voted against mining operations
@@weirdguylol Greenlandic you mean 😀
@TheisKrarupHansen Excuse my brain, I watch too much american content
@@weirdguylol that can happen to the best of us, the mind rot from the US media is quite infectious 😉
Trump's outrageous proposal aside, Greenland could absolutely benefit from a closer *_strategic partnership_* with the north american powers to build up its economy following their independence, especially as the USA and Canada have a lot to gain from Greenland making them less dependent on China for materials.
On that note, just make sure not to accept any deal from China; their outrageously awful environmental track record could genuinely turn Greenland into a sludgeland if given the chance.
Greenland would benefit much, much more from less Socialism, less nepotism, and a smaller state that wasn't modelled on the worst Scandinavian Socialist ideas of the 1970's. And sobering up wouldn't hurt, either...
@@peterfireflylund and here come the libertarian racists...
@@TheisKrarupHansen that means I am right and you don’t like it.
I love how your channel always gives us the background before just launching into the story.
Now might not be the best time for Greenland to seek independence.
I'm not saying an independent Greenland can't work, but it's going to be a very difficult and painful journey that I don't think the people advocating for it fully understand. Denmark has already said that it's up to Greenland what they want to do, so nothing is really holding them back.
Just because you can be independent doesn't mean you should. They are not prepared for independence and it will backfire on them.
Love how the president elected to bring troops home, is absolutely desperate to start something with his allies 😅
Denmark should reduce Greenland's autonomy. The island belongs to all of the people of Denmark, and not just the Inuits.
love the new intro!!
Dane here, i wanna point out that Greenland has had the right to independence for a while now and have chosen not to. A large marjority of Greenlanders dont want independence from Denmark. Greenland isnt that economically productive and gets hundreds of millions of every year from Denmark, free healthcare, access to free university, benefits, protection by the Danish military, and half of all public spending is paid for by Denmark. The far majority of Greenlanders dont want independence because they already have autonomy, and being part of Denmark is simply a great fucking deal.
They would surely lose all of that should they become independent, let alone part of America.
Better in the hands of the Danes, then in the hands of America or Russia.
if its independent there is a chance that they can keep their healthcare and other benefits but the usa wants them to get rid of it even if they can afford it with ease for ideological reasons .
@@belstar1128 You dont understand it. They DONT HAVE MONEY to keep their healthcare and other benefits
@@johnirvine9942 This. Theres no reason for greenland to change hands like a product that you can trade.
@@belstar1128 Lmao no, if they become completely independent at this moment they lose HALF of their public spending. Not viable at all. Thats why they still havent voted to leave yet.
This video is essentially misinformation. Greenland can become independent whenever it wants, all it has to do is make a vote and present some paperwork. Which they can do on their own because they're governing themselves.
They are running at a big deficit, and Denmark is paying Greenland eleven thousand four hundred dollars per person every year, with no economic gain. How are they shackled, exactly?
Denmark has given nothing but independence to Greenland to the extent it is possible for a society with 50-60k citizens while supporting Greenland financially for 100s of years up through to modernization, there is a push for Independence only due to other interests wanting influence over Greenland. Much like Russia spread disinformation the different players try to influence greenland under the guise of colonization to want this independence, this so called independence if ever happening will create complete dependence. The truth is Denmark has been the best thing for greenland as its one of the only countries that does actually allow independence with its principles of freedom and community and no oppression. At the same time greenland and danish culture has been interwoven over 300 years.
glad that's all about to change
What annoys me is that all Danes "forget" the fact that Denmark annexed Greenland (plus Iceland and the Faroes) from Norwegian ownership. And then handing over Norway to Sweden as if it were a second hand car.
Norway itself was a Danish colony for a long time, culminating with the Danish king's annexation of the church in 1536 (disguised as reformation) in order to control the local peasants through Danish clergy.
Denmark ensured that Norway remained a primitive agricultural society for as long as possible. Oh, and the Danish king decided no Jews were allowed, and he tried to kick out the Finnish minority around 1680.
I'm glad the Greenlanders finally will break free.
@@erikgstewartgreenland isn't breaking free financially, though. It only functions because of denmark subsidising it.
@@erikgstewart Who says we have "forgotten" that? and do you think we just wanted to give Norway to our most hated enemy? and "ensured that Norway remained a primitive agricultural society"? Denmark was a primitive agricultural society. With what technologies should Denmark, in the 1700's, have transformed a big sparsely populated mountainous area with? And yes, the church was a tool to control the peasants, welcome to medieval management 101, but it was also the church and King Christian the 6th that, in 1739, made it madetory for children to go to school, so they could learn to read and write. Yes, this was so they could learn the bible better, but it came in handy in other ways to. The law was even modified to fit Norway better in 1741.
Also, don't bring up the Jews, like Denmark is some special evil here, or allude to it being in anyway similar to what 1940's Germany did. The way we have treated our Jews in resent history speaks for itself.
Oh, and a hypothetical Norway, with its own king or queen, would never had tried to kick out an ethnic and cultural minority in the 1600's, they would have been so tolerant. Spare me.
@@erikgstewart I dont know I feel you come with some heavily biased arguments. First of all Norway was under Denmark for so long that it pretty much was considered Denmark as much as any other part like fynnen or jutland, we are talking many centuries, The only reason it didnt stay that way was cause of a dude named Napoleon, thus Norway as it is today is a rather new thing, And thus Greenland was Danish as well as Norwegian after the recolonization in the early 1700's.
It makes no sense to say something was norwegian at that time as the kingdom was Denmark/Norwegian for centuries, that would be applying the current borders to a situation that was 300 years ago. Denmark/Norway was the same country at this time, and the mission to settle in greenland was a mission by the Danish/Norwegian kingdom. 1 country. Norway had been with Denmark more than it had been by itself, even tracing back to the vikings it was not uncommon that norwegian and danish vikings went to england in unison on raids.
The industrialization is something that happened after Denmark and Norway split up. So this keeping Norway a farm country does not make a lot of sense This was common in this age and there weren't smartphones to sell. The markets available at the time was limited.
It feels like you have been told a very nationalistic point of view. While there was no nationality as such back then. Norway today is a sovereign country, it broke free of Denmark because it is geographical cut off from europe by sea, and thus was not affected by the Napoleons war.
There's a reason that danish and norwegian language is almost interchangeable in writing. The cutoff has only been 200 years.
What people don't get is that unlike other Europeans the Vikings only wanted to find better land to live in and they found Greenland empty and they didn't find nobody but then as soon as that the climate was nice and warm and everything else the Inuits came back and it must have been the most awkward moment of their lives when they found somebody else living in their old home that they abandoned, Then later when the Vikings abandoned Greenland due to the fact that the climate was unlivable and the Inuits basically decided to stay in case somebody decided to come back and occupy their house while they're away it's kind of ironic considering that the Scandinavians come back and they're like oh you're still here well we're just going to come back and resettle all the settlements that we were promised by Erik the Red and his descendants.
The interesting part about the whole thing the Scandinavians didn't just come back and conquer the native peoples they just basically came back and decided to live there again and that was it no bloodshed the most peaceful retaking of land by just simply coming back 😂
Other Inuits. The current ones are descended from Canadian immigrants.
@peterfireflylund I know they're basically Canadian Inuits and they were born in Canada but their ancestors just abandoned Greenland because there was no food no nothing and the only reason why they stayed in Greenland after the Vikings left is because well they were afraid the Vikings would come back and reoccupy the same land which of course they did about several centuries later. 🤣
UK: Did someone say free land?
It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal
While it is admirable and romantic (if a little naive) that Greenland wants independence, they really don't have the population, infrastructure, or money to do this successfully, or they would've by now.
Ok, if Greenland should get independence.. Then why not Hawaii?
Puerto Rico would be a better example. Greenland is a dependent country within the Danish Crown and not just a province of Denmark.
Because Americans are hypocritical and will only support independence if they are the ones benefiting from it
Does 51% of the population want that?
Sure if they want it.
@@ThatonepersonyouheardHawaii or PR? PR consistently wants full voting rights within the US. Hawaii is mixed
Greenland gets its independence. Following, it gets invaded by some interested superpower. "Well, we didn't mean 'THAT' independence. Please help us, please die for us."
Greenland is completely dependant on Denmark in matters of, but not limited to: Healthcare, Social security, Defence, Education etc.
Greenland has a tiny population and is dependent on transfers from Denmark. Independence would just mean selling out to some other country or company.
The elephant in the room: Donald Trump. 🤣🤣🤣
They don't get free higher education in Denmark if they become independent. They can instead pay for it themselves in the US.
Danish here: If Greenland goes independent then one of the first things they will lose is the yearly money we send, which is around 550 million USD, which is one of their biggest reasons on why they can afford the towns they have now.
While I would be okay with Greenland going indepedent, I'm not okay with them joining the US or putting themselves at risk. Since right now Greenland is secure due to being a part of NATO, but that is only secure whilst being a part of the danish realm. If they were to leave, they would put themselves at a risk of being annexed by people like Trump, who would no doubt treat them much worse and take away all the rights the danish government have given them.
You can’t even defend your own homeland. You surrendered in less than four hours. Nobody cares what you cowards say.
Face reality, we will take it from you and you will do nothing.
The sheer size of Danish investment into healthcare, education, social security, jobs, etc. in Greenland could be used as an argument against what the PM has regarding the future of Greenland and how this is to be determined by the Greenlanders themselves (a more theoretical argument could be proposed in light of the fact that Greenland is part of the Danish Commonwealth, where the laws of the Danish constitution apply exactly as they apply in every other part of the Commonwealth). I am a Dane, and although I duly recognize the Greenlandic people's right to a nation-state of their own, they must realize that this will come at a cost. There are several points to be made here. First, an independent Greenland would have to compensate for the so-called bloktilskud, that is, the subsidies allocated to Greenland by the Danish state (there are already agreements as regards how revenue from mining is to be shared, but this does not even come near the size of the subsidies). Second, on top of the first point, Greenland would, need enough money to ensure the preservation of its educational and social institutions as they currently are. As matters currently are, the income from a few shrimp factories, even the cost of running those not taken into account, would not be enough to cover the cost. Greenland neither has the foundation for a solid and developed economy, nor the potential for developing one, despite the abundance of resources and minerals hidden beneath the ice. Third, Greenland has no armed forces, and a population of 58.000, mostly concentrated living on the western side of the island, is not enough to sustain a military able to guard the entirety of the island. In any case, Greenland would potentially have to compromise on parts of its sovereignty in order to gain security guarantees (though this is not necessary, as they could administer negotiations regarding joining NATO shortly after its independence). For the reasons stated above, it strikes me as a disastrously bad idea for Greenland to secede from the Danish Commonwealth, as they in any case, and on any ground, whether that would be regarding economic or military issues, are unable to fend for themselves and assert the sovereignty they otherwise are so eager to pursue.
Wanting independence from Denmark is such a strange thing. The Danes are the nicest people, there is really nothing to rebel against.
the danes fund them and get literally nothing in return, no oil, no extraction of mineral resources but they blame anything that happens there on denmark
I support Greenland West Coast's right to choose independence. The minerals everywhere else on Greenland? Not so much. Their ancestral claim to that, is as good as mine, is to the minerals under the Swiss Alps, as a Dane.
This is probably a very bad idea. There just aren't enough people there to sustain an independent country and it really does need a mother country. Denmark seems better than most.
As a Dane I would love Greenland to be 100% independent - but it will never happen 100% - the Greenland population is to small for the massive land. They don’t have enough people for making a military defense and they will be depended on military outside their country…
@@kennethAmos8929 Yah, they are already 100% dependent on the United States….sorry bud…so is Denmark…I have worked with your military…we own you. The Danes work for the Americans. That is the reality in 2024…your way of life is only possible because of US tax payers…you’re welcome.
The Danes should let them go independent but with a clause that lets them reverse the decision after 10 or so years. The independence will be a disaster, the Greenlanders will see that, they'll regret their decision and this whole thing can finally be put to bed
the thing about greenlandish independance is that they wouldnt become important in a cultural, political, or monetary sense, theyd be important the same way they are today; a strategic sense, as such every resource theyd have would become a banquette for foreign powers unless greenland suddenly takes a VERY hard stance approach to sovereignty and autonomy, which in any political landscapes is close to impossible to get away with when dealing with foreign powers as grotesque and massive in all possible metrics as the US or China... an independent greenland would be a very suddenly "up-for-grabs" state, near the western heartland, yet simultaneously so out of sight that the general populas wouldnt even notice...
I dont think anyone in Denmark would be against Greenland having independence. It is stated over and over again, that they now have "home rule", but they can at any time get independence - all they need to do is say so. So I think the tone in this video, with shackles and I dont know what is greatly misleading. Its up to the people of Greenland, when they feel ready. And in the meantime Denmark will keep funding them and supporting them in so many ways. Its not just the block-grant mentioned in the video. Its also education, security and a host of high skilled people, like doctors, nurses, teachers etc All these people enjoy substantial tax benefits in Denmark for working in Greenland.
Like in Denmark, Greenland enjoys free education all the way to University (in Denmark), free healthcare, worldclass un-employment benefits and much more. So to be a little "sharp" you could argue that this is the shackles holding Greenland to Denmark today. Most Greenlanders dont want to give up on this for independence. So until they are able to sustain a proper welfare state themselves, they will stay in the "commonwealth" of Denmark together with Faroe Islands.
Most Danish people probably feel a bit guilty of the past and dont mind supporting them with this quite substantial amount even though it does not really create any longterm benefits for Denmark.
Lastly, this video totally skips the real elephant in the room: The enormous social problems in Greenland. They have very high levels of child abuse, suicide and domestic violence. But these are no longer areas under Danish jurisdiction (except for the law enforcement side of things).
Is the suicide from being so far north and lack of sunlight in the winter?
Seems to be a problem for most countries at such latitudes.
@@dmmw125 that is indeed part of it. The rampant alcoholism is more important, though.
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I've wondered whether the two are related.
Alcoholism seems to be something more associated with northern countries whether it's a coping mechanism for the difficult winters.
I loved visiting Iceland in the summer when there was no night just at dusk at most. It felt to be like paradise and then I wondered about the winter and shuddered
@@dmmw125 I dont know for sure. But I think it is more because of social problems. Inuits is traditionally a hunter society. From the 1950s and about 30 years on a lot of "modernisation" programs was carried out by Danish authorities. A lot of good intentions I guess, trying to transform Greenland into a welfare state in the image of Denmark itself. But it was done far to fast and forcefully - without enough understanding/respect of Inuit culture and tradition. As a result my understanding (but I am not an expert) is that while some/most people faired well and adapted to an "urbanised" lifestyle. But a lot did not, especially men. There has been major problems with alcoholism in Greenland, suddenly freely available, but unknown in the past. So I think it is - at least in part - to do with presence of guns, excessive drinking and severe identity problems. Very sad. Greenland went through a transformation from a hunter society to a welfare state in a few decades - something other nations spent 100s or even 1000s of years on.
Then I guess it'll be OK to officially ask California or New York if they want to leave the US and join the EU?
eu is for european countries. the name 'european union' gives it away..
American here. If Greenland gets independence, we will happily change that.
I love the new sponsored segment at the beginning, the music has a great vibe and i5t s very short
Sorry, Mr. Trump, but _Greenland_ is not _Orangeland_ .
glad your opinion doesn't count, Seems USA will get it without needing paying denmark a dime. Greenland government is prepping to cede
in 2009, Greenland, after the Greenlandic election for self-government, had this introduced.
Shortly afterwards, the Greenlanders (or those who had been in Denmark and received free education) came and wanted independence. Ok, the then Prime Minister Anders Fogh replied, you can have it tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow we will stop the block grant and other aid to Greenland!
This did not arouse interest, as they believed that Denmark should continue to pay forever, while they could do as they pleased!
So there is a bit of a problem with reason and justice among the fools from Greenland's so-called Freedom Movement, who have also had it introduced that they speak Greenlandic in the Danish parliament, even though they speak excellent Danish!
And now the idiot Trump and his imperialist friends are also getting involved, so maybe we should ask China how much they want to pay for Greenland! they must pay better than the idiot and imperialist Trump
a bit like Scotland until you mention, here is YOUR share of UK debt then all you hear is.............................
And don't forget that the "Greenlandic" politician, that made it so they can speak Greenlandic in the Danish parliament, was born in Denmark, educated in Denmark and even ran for and became nr. 6 in Miss Denmark 2015.
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Now the Inuit, who make up the largest part of Greenland's population, immigrated from Canada, and only came 300 years after the Vikings had settled in Greenland, the Scots, haven't taken Scotland from the English, have they? so here's a difference,
In addition, Greenland costs us about 6 billion DKK a year, and the only thing the Danes get in return is whining and complaining, and that they want their freedom, but at the same time, the Greenlanders believe that we should continue to pay them, and put up with being shit poured over our heads by the Greenlanders, and those who have been educated in Denmark, and have been to university, and have been indoctrinated by extreme leftists are the worst!
Not so long ago, the Danish parliament was forced to translate Greenlandic politicians themselves, who demanded to speak Greenlandic in the parliament, even though they spoke excellent Danish!
And the Danish population has, countless times, had to suffer from Greenlandic votes when a party has promised them something, to vote to pass a law, even though the Danes are not allowed to decide anything that concerns the Danish population.
So gradually, I feel cheated by the Greenlanders, and gradually I don't give a damn where they end up!
What I am most angry about in this matter is the way an ally (the USA) behaves, and will have a hard time forgiving Trump and his Nazi association, who are no better than Putin and his gang of robbers
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I haven't forgotten the corruption in the Greenlandic self-government either! so maybe they fit best together with criminal types like Trump
Not until the Greenlanders pay compensation for displacing the original Viking settlers. There must be justice for past sins.
Make em a state! Americans would love to incorporate them! Good culture and people!
I am sorry. As a Dane. I have a very hard time to find any sources of Greenland asking for independence. Where are the sources for this statement?
An independent Greenland would have challenges
Its better to stay an autonomous state of denmark than independence, look what happened to the comoros after the french left.
France is not USA, if you want to compare, look at the muslim ghetto france has turned into