To be fair, the internal structure of high end SR Suntour forks are similar to Fox; IFP damper with high and low compression and rebound adjustments, and a self equalizing negative air spring.
Considering that factory settings on a Fox always makes it feel like someone is kicking my handlebars, (Whereas Rockshox tends to work out of the box,) I think I could tell the difference with suspension.
I don’t know which duo I like more. Blake&Martyn vs Blake&Rich. Also keep the hacks and bodges song it’s the highlight of the show, even my wife sings along.
Suspension these days all feel very similar and I bet they feel even more similar if you use the same suspension fluid. Nothing compares to the old Marzocchi tho. True open bath coil with air bottom out support. There's the oil seal that they gave up because of friction but all the new forks have a lot more o rings and quad seals. 😅 Did they really fix a problem or was it all about weight?
They fixed the problem of making more money. Old Marzocchi's never broke or needed $100 service. Oil Bath is always best for reliability. Cartridge forks perform better but need more maintenance.
I’d say Fox and Rockshox (and Marzocchi) feel similar. I think Rockshox feels better overall but has less adjustment in terms of getting it dialed in, while Fox has finer adjustments I actually prefer Marzocchi to Fox just because it is easier to set and forget. That being said Öhlins feels very different to any other suspension I’ve ridden. It was easier to dial in and is better both off the top and at the end of the stroke. If I had to rank the suspension I’ve ridden it would go Öhlins, Rockshox, Marzocchi, Fox, Manitou. The last manitou suspension I rode was a little old so it is probably way better now.
talking about high end parts i would say if you are not professional that need every % of performance and still want to buy high end to feel good you focus on looks to be more happy when you stare at your bike
That depends what you mean by professional. I can definitely tell a difference in my high end suspension and I break cheaper stuff and it's worth suspension or parts not failing causing you to wreck and have thousands of medical bills
Recently picked up the last gen KIS Spectral, with rockshox select + RC and going from the spectral to my old hardtail with lowest end charger damper and debonair air chamber and it is night and day. Shimano brakes are also more bitey than sram I find
Are there some terrible forks out there? Yes. But nearly everything over $500 is overpriced. I've ridden $500 forks that felt better than $1000 forks. I feel that most Rock Shox give you pretty good bang for your buck, meanwhile most Fox forks are way overpriced. SR Suntour and Manitou make some amazing forks at great prices, unfortunately most people relate those brands to their entry-level offerings, when in fact they have a whole range of products, many of which are amazing.
My marzi 888 with very fine tuning and upgraded internals. (Still half the price of the roxshocks) feels just as good as any roxshocks ive ever ridden. And fox from factory are set up for giants i think cause theyre always so damn stiff and have to be tuned. But fox in the long run is best. Not only are they plush like the rest of the brands. But stronger.
What about DVO? They have some nice looking stuff, they are out of southern Ca. They offer custom tuned/built shocks. I was checking out the Jade rear coil. For an additional price they can build and tune it to your weight, terrain, riding style and the model bike you have. I havent seen that with other susp companies.
FOX 36 GRIP 2 160mm fork for the win. They make my local trails feel very nice! Riding a Specialized STEVO and its been the best ride since starting this hobby 2 years ago.
Just switched from a fox 38 performance elite to a Zeb ultimate, both on a giant reign. Hard to describe but they do feel different, the Fox being more precise and supportive on the big stuff and the Zeb being much plusher and more sensitive. Quite the opposite to what the reviews say 😅
These 2 guys are the best pair ever!! I absolutely LOVED this episode!!! My husband wanted to call my dog sprocket and I just called him Blake instead 😜😜 love you guys!
Only thing I found out based off tons of research fox factory has more adjustability but both are great RockShox ultimate not their lower end stuff but the most important thing was I heard fox supports their suspension for up to 10 years where RockShox is more innovative not a dealbreaker but can cost a lot more if you own RockShox suspension but I know sram will find their comfort zone when they find what works for them and up there service on their suspension products may take awhile
Hi gmbn I’m 12 years old and saving up for a full suspension bike I really love what you do and I am just so annoyed at the price of bikes these days it’s to expensive and I just want a good full suspension bike your videos are amazing thanks a lot ❤❤
To me, the Atherton S170 has very similar geo to the Santa Cruz Nomad V5 but with a 29" front wheel - (size 7 = L and 11 + XL) and heavier, and more expensive. I'd rather have a carbon Nomad thanks.
The suspension ones you can get away with as you were only thinking it had to be between fox and rockshox and they gave you SR Suntour and manitou obviously you would get that wrong as wasn't in the description lol
I bought both of the highest top of the line most recommended DJ forks and they both epic fail so quickly its ridiculous. Sent them into the "top shops" and they come back working like crap. I finally just now bought the one everyone says sucks (the manitou circus expert) and hoping it works much better than the "best". My friend has a set and has never serviced them and theyre like 4 years old...so jealous
Just getting into mountain biking and while rhe first segment was entertaining I have no idea what the outcome was. Other then that you they could identify their own bikes. The feel and vibe of the show feels like it could be to biking what Top Gear was to cars. It just needs to be a little more accessible to riders of all levels.
I think for the layperson, telling the difference between suspension is hard because we probably haven't compared them much. If we've changed brands, it's possibly during a bike swap since it's so expensive to buy the kit just to try. I've swapped brakes over though on bikes because it's far cheaper and controversially, my old Avids were better than the Shimano XT's that I "upgraded" to because the calliper leaked at the rear and I had zero braking back there.
What would people say is the best budget brand hardtail? I rode a carrera code disk from Halfords I paid £280 brand new, I’ve been to a few bike parks and mountains range in and around south wales and it performs pretty well. But would like better brakes and 1 by gearing system.
"why wouldn't you?". Because no one is giving me one and I'm not spending £6k+. Guess I'll have to get fit instead On that note, riding there Wednesday nights through winter
Brakes and shifters are too easy. Suspension is easy too if you ride it. At very high pressure RS is jittery, but Fox is still progressive and damps well. Also RS has no full lockout, which would be a dead giveaway even parked.
For a long time now, I've been wondering how long a lugged bike would hold together, considering their $13,000+ price tag. Well, Bernard Kerr's crash the other day in New Zealand on his lugged Pivot answered that. He had had the bike about 1-1/2 yrs before the frame separated from the lugged headset. If that had happened at Red Bull Hardline, it could've been disastrous. Personally, you couldn't get me to ride a lugged bike, if you paid me. I expect my bikes to last at least 10 years w/o killing me, especially at today's prices.
I have a Marzocchi Bomber Z1 on my 2019 Felt Compulsion 1, RS Zeb 190mm on my 2021 YT Capra AL, and a Fox 38 on my 2024 YT Decoy. Love them all. Really Impressed with the Z1 as it is as stout as the 38mm stanchion forks.
I can notice when suspension doesnt have high speed compression / rebound. Roots and rocks kind of become a game of luck. Well, not really but you know what i mean.
#CAPTIONCONTEST With the high cost of bikes, Rich & Blake plan a heist to steal them. Being amateurs, they never got the cover-your-face part quite right and in the end, they ended up stealing each other's bikes.
@EMTB17 WOW, so much negativity, in many of your past comments. It's RUclips. Entertainment is the point here. Didn't your Mom teach you to keep your mouth shut unless you have something positive to say? Useless is your negativity, guy. If you don't like GMBN, turn the channel. Be kind man. I wish you the best though. Life is beautiful.
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Do you think you could guess bike parts without looking?
Some forks and brakes do have that characteristic feel no matter how you setup those. Or rather did - people like 'em more predictive now
The ones I already tried probly, especially the saggy droppers ...
Certain ones absolutely but not forks ha.
no
I think I will recognize my XT brakes and shifters, but for the rest no way that I would have a clue.
I laughed so hard at 3:20 Blake was guessing Fox as he was struggling between Fox and RockShox in his head but it turned out to be a Suntour!
To be fair, the internal structure of high end SR Suntour forks are similar to Fox; IFP damper with high and low compression and rebound adjustments, and a self equalizing negative air spring.
or maybe it is Manitou dorado.
Considering that factory settings on a Fox always makes it feel like someone is kicking my handlebars, (Whereas Rockshox tends to work out of the box,) I think I could tell the difference with suspension.
#captioncontest GMBN’s research and development department testing the new range of full face hoodies.
Other suspension brands , DT Swiss , Ohlins , Manitou , DVO .
EXT, PUSH and Intend as well!
@@PerfectlyNormalHumanBeing Marzocchi getting no love ;_;
@@Ty-sm9cv Well they’re owned by Fox so it gets overshadowed.
@@Ty-sm9cv Marzocchi stopped making decent forks around 2006..
I don’t know which duo I like more. Blake&Martyn vs Blake&Rich. Also keep the hacks and bodges song it’s the highlight of the show, even my wife sings along.
The two best presenters! You should always be presenting the show.
I would miss martyn
Suspension these days all feel very similar and I bet they feel even more similar if you use the same suspension fluid. Nothing compares to the old Marzocchi tho. True open bath coil with air bottom out support. There's the oil seal that they gave up because of friction but all the new forks have a lot more o rings and quad seals. 😅 Did they really fix a problem or was it all about weight?
They fixed the problem of making more money. Old Marzocchi's never broke or needed $100 service. Oil Bath is always best for reliability. Cartridge forks perform better but need more maintenance.
I’d say Fox and Rockshox (and Marzocchi) feel similar. I think Rockshox feels better overall but has less adjustment in terms of getting it dialed in, while Fox has finer adjustments I actually prefer Marzocchi to Fox just because it is easier to set and forget. That being said Öhlins feels very different to any other suspension I’ve ridden. It was easier to dial in and is better both off the top and at the end of the stroke. If I had to rank the suspension I’ve ridden it would go Öhlins, Rockshox, Marzocchi, Fox, Manitou. The last manitou suspension I rode was a little old so it is probably way better now.
@@christeschke9844 I found a new 888 vf and I can say its super plush :]]] I love it tbh
talking about high end parts i would say if you are not professional that need every % of performance and still want to buy high end to feel good you focus on looks to be more happy when you stare at your bike
You’re not wrong. I’m super happy with zen select with RC CHARGER
That depends what you mean by professional. I can definitely tell a difference in my high end suspension and I break cheaper stuff and it's worth suspension or parts not failing causing you to wreck and have thousands of medical bills
#captioncontest "next week's contest: can you guess your fellow presenter by feeling them up?"
😂
GMBN declaring unattainable, expensive components are better than budget or regular components? So brave and unexpected
#captioncontest
Rich - "I can do this trail blindfolded"
Blake - " I'm hitting this one blind"
Lol Rich's hands when they ask what bike do you think it is, you can't touch it?!
Manitou are smashing it recently. My Mattoc and Mezzers are just as good as my 36's
Not what I imagined when reading the title. Especially for GMBN.
Recently picked up the last gen KIS Spectral, with rockshox select + RC and going from the spectral to my old hardtail with lowest end charger damper and debonair air chamber and it is night and day. Shimano brakes are also more bitey than sram I find
Are there some terrible forks out there? Yes.
But nearly everything over $500 is overpriced. I've ridden $500 forks that felt better than $1000 forks.
I feel that most Rock Shox give you pretty good bang for your buck, meanwhile most Fox forks are way overpriced.
SR Suntour and Manitou make some amazing forks at great prices, unfortunately most people relate those brands to their entry-level offerings, when in fact they have a whole range of products, many of which are amazing.
I ride fox but i feel like fox is lowering their QC lately and for that reason im choosing next Rockshox
21:45 the CrossKing ProTection is awesome for snow riding.
Is it actually? Are the knobs big enough?
🦊 for life!
My marzi 888 with very fine tuning and upgraded internals. (Still half the price of the roxshocks) feels just as good as any roxshocks ive ever ridden. And fox from factory are set up for giants i think cause theyre always so damn stiff and have to be tuned. But fox in the long run is best. Not only are they plush like the rest of the brands. But stronger.
14:22 is that a red Toyota MR2 in the background I spy? Thumbs up!
Super Nice just for the Dog, nice colour on the Santa Cruz.
#captioncontest BLAKE: That ain’t a bike part you’re grabbing, Richard!
Love that idea - can you feel the difference between brands , lower & higher specs ?? Now to watch you guys ride blind-folded !
What about DVO? They have some nice looking stuff, they are out of southern Ca. They offer custom tuned/built shocks. I was checking out the Jade rear coil. For an additional price they can build and tune it to your weight, terrain, riding style and the model bike you have. I havent seen that with other susp companies.
FOX 36 GRIP 2 160mm fork for the win. They make my local trails feel very nice! Riding a Specialized STEVO and its been the best ride since starting this hobby 2 years ago.
Wow a whole 2 years of experience, you definitely know your stuff
@@leonardhpls6 Sounds like your still riding 80mm Suntour Spring shocks boo hoo!
Having ridden both products, i can say with certainty that between Rockshox and Fox, i choose Ohlins.
Just switched from a fox 38 performance elite to a Zeb ultimate, both on a giant reign. Hard to describe but they do feel different, the Fox being more precise and supportive on the big stuff and the Zeb being much plusher and more sensitive. Quite the opposite to what the reviews say 😅
These 2 guys are the best pair ever!! I absolutely LOVED this episode!!! My husband wanted to call my dog sprocket and I just called him Blake instead 😜😜 love you guys!
So many variables and of course it's going to vary from Rider to Rider based on perception, 'Feel' (vestibular system) skill level & style of riding.
#captioncontest reaching for the gain: Richard Pro-Payne !
Only thing I found out based off tons of research fox factory has more adjustability but both are great RockShox ultimate not their lower end stuff but the most important thing was I heard fox supports their suspension for up to 10 years where RockShox is more innovative not a dealbreaker but can cost a lot more if you own RockShox suspension but I know sram will find their comfort zone when they find what works for them and up there service on their suspension products may take awhile
Lefty Ocho Carbon 120. It's Noticeably different than even the standard Lefty Ocho 100 (alloy)
ive used a thyme glass pot to fit seals before! 32s!
Blake´s the bloke! He´s the man! Btw i lube my ebike chains just pulling the chain backwards, no stand needed..
My favorite hosts!!!
#captioncontest "Blake and Rich discover it is more difficult to model the new GMBN hoodies on backwards day"
Hi gmbn I’m 12 years old and saving up for a full suspension bike I really love what you do and I am just so annoyed at the price of bikes these days it’s to expensive and I just want a good full suspension bike your videos are amazing thanks a lot ❤❤
My RockFox is great on the front and my Shox coil does a great job on the back.
#captioncontest “Always exploring the limits of video production. New footage emerges of early GMBN experiments with green screen technology.”
Thats my bike!!! 22:22 Its a solid trail/light enduro bike.
Super nice!
#CAPTIONCONTEST When Rich has finally had enough of Canyons customer service he's reaching for the the Propain!
#captioncontest The faceless masses are often forgotten by the media but not at GMBN.
my favorite mtb channel
To me, the Atherton S170 has very similar geo to the Santa Cruz Nomad V5 but with a 29" front wheel - (size 7 = L and 11 + XL) and heavier, and more expensive. I'd rather have a carbon Nomad thanks.
Me being Happy with my Suntour😊
Right on. 👍🏻
The suspension ones you can get away with as you were only thinking it had to be between fox and rockshox and they gave you SR Suntour and manitou obviously you would get that wrong as wasn't in the description lol
Great show guys, it was hilarious to watch,loved every minute.
Customer service matters more to me than anything else
caption: at midnight trying to find the light switch
I bought both of the highest top of the line most recommended DJ forks and they both epic fail so quickly its ridiculous. Sent them into the "top shops" and they come back working like crap. I finally just now bought the one everyone says sucks (the manitou circus expert) and hoping it works much better than the "best". My friend has a set and has never serviced them and theyre like 4 years old...so jealous
The Orbea Joker! 😂
@captioncontest 18:05 when u forget hhaaaacks and booodges
That canyon ebike with double crown is a torque on 2021?
#captioncontest - Rich and Blake don’t misunderstand what it means to ride a trail blind
I answered that poll but commented that I would have to leave them in the parking lot since none of the local trails allow E-bikes
Where do you live?
LOVED IT, the guess your spec was really good, btw can we call it Guess the Spec?
I would love this as a returning thing on the dirt shed show!!!
#captioncontest "Rich: My E-Bike feels terrible. My breaks are all wonky and stuff. I'm sure nobody'd mind if I just ride this Propain from now on."
#Captioncontest: Blake and Neil had been given a challenge by Team GTN and Team GCN: try to ride downhill with their hoodies on backwards
Ive never had a Rockshox fork start creaking at the crown so......Ha!
#captioncontest adjusting reach by feel might be a leap into unknown
#captioncontest getting ready to see who can ride backwards farther.
#captioncontest Kept in suspense, it was a shock to discover how wrong they were. Time for a brake.
Just getting into mountain biking and while rhe first segment was entertaining I have no idea what the outcome was. Other then that you they could identify their own bikes. The feel and vibe of the show feels like it could be to biking what Top Gear was to cars. It just needs to be a little more accessible to riders of all levels.
I think for the layperson, telling the difference between suspension is hard because we probably haven't compared them much. If we've changed brands, it's possibly during a bike swap since it's so expensive to buy the kit just to try. I've swapped brakes over though on bikes because it's far cheaper and controversially, my old Avids were better than the Shimano XT's that I "upgraded" to because the calliper leaked at the rear and I had zero braking back there.
What would people say is the best budget brand hardtail? I rode a carrera code disk from Halfords I paid £280 brand new, I’ve been to a few bike parks and mountains range in and around south wales and it performs pretty well. But would like better brakes and 1 by gearing system.
52v FICM with that hpop will be a weapon.
#CaptionContest when someone says you don’t need anymore bikes but you not paying attention to that type negativity!
"why wouldn't you?". Because no one is giving me one and I'm not spending £6k+. Guess I'll have to get fit instead
On that note, riding there Wednesday nights through winter
#captioncontest Morph and Chas go mountain biking.
Bos is my go to suspension
These two gentlemen are a hoot. Especially when they are all out there exploring the fields of silliness. 😂
Brakes and shifters are too easy. Suspension is easy too if you ride it. At very high pressure RS is jittery, but Fox is still progressive and damps well. Also RS has no full lockout, which would be a dead giveaway even parked.
Take the tow like a commuter who just got overtaken by a speedster who said nothing. 🤣
For a long time now, I've been wondering how long a lugged bike would hold together, considering their $13,000+ price tag. Well, Bernard Kerr's crash the other day in New Zealand on his lugged Pivot answered that. He had had the bike about 1-1/2 yrs before the frame separated from the lugged headset. If that had happened at Red Bull Hardline, it could've been disastrous. Personally, you couldn't get me to ride a lugged bike, if you paid me. I expect my bikes to last at least 10 years w/o killing me, especially at today's prices.
Awesome show! 😁😁
#captioncontest Blake and Rich try dressing up as their bikes for Halloween.
Awesome video content... good laugh too! 😂
I have a Marzocchi Bomber Z1 on my 2019 Felt Compulsion 1, RS Zeb 190mm on my 2021 YT Capra AL, and a Fox 38 on my 2024 YT Decoy. Love them all. Really Impressed with the Z1 as it is as stout as the 38mm stanchion forks.
The Z1 is a fox 36 cartridge so it's not a original marzocchi. The Z2 is more true to its roots, an open bath system
#captioncontest
Blakebuilds RND getting ready to ride by sonar
I can notice when suspension doesnt have high speed compression / rebound. Roots and rocks kind of become a game of luck. Well, not really but you know what i mean.
Another great video.
Can I have orange zebs ??? Best of both worlds 😅
That was a great h&b 💪👏👏👏
Rockshox forever !!❤
#captioncontest when you and your buddy are working on your bikes and then the electricity cuts out
RockShox and sram for life, just like it better.
anyone in comments have any input on the bomber z1's in 180mm? thinking of getting a set for my slopeduro build
#CAPTIONCONTEST In this weeks episode of Dirt Shed After Dark, Rich tries to guess Blake's stanchion size while blindfolded.
#CAPTIONCONTEST blindfolded new bike day!!!!!!
I have roscoe 7 what be best upgrade fork thank u
#CAPTIONCONTEST With the high cost of bikes, Rich & Blake plan a heist to steal them. Being amateurs, they never got the cover-your-face part quite right and in the end, they ended up stealing each other's bikes.
rockshox never failed to let me down. Sure they seem great at first... Lesson learned
#captioncontest Blake and Rich take a game of B.I.K.E too far!
#captioncontest When you left your multi-tool on the table but you can't let go of your bike
absolutely pointless, but funny
who put Blake in charge of the show...
Everything GMBN does is absolutely useless
@@EMTB17 why?
I reckon you’re right… 😂
@EMTB17 WOW, so much negativity, in many of your past comments. It's RUclips. Entertainment is the point here. Didn't your Mom teach you to keep your mouth shut unless you have something positive to say? Useless is your negativity, guy. If you don't like GMBN, turn the channel. Be kind man. I wish you the best though. Life is beautiful.
#captioncontest Me and my buddy getting ready to ride again as if nothing happened and we almost didn't die crashing three times on our last run
#captioncontest
When you and your mate are handed the receipt at the bike shop..
#CaptionContest "All the Gear no Idea"