The Tolkien family has missed a marketing opportunity. Tolkien should have put names and descriptions for all 19 rings. Then sell reproductions of them. He could charge a few thousand for each one made with silver and gold with real gems and make millions. I would buy a couple of them.
You should read the Appendecies of LOTR more carefully, especially those speaking about pronounciation. In the name "Sauron" the letters "Saur" are not pronounced like in "Dinosaur". Also "Celebrimbor" is not pronounced "Selebrimbor", his name is pronounced "Kelebrimbor".
A few questions arise, I'm trying to follow the logic here. 1. If Sauron didn't touch the three Elven rings or get involved in their creation, how would he control them through the One Ring? 2. After the One Ring was destroyed, why would the power of the three Elven rings fade away if they weren't bound to the One Ring? 3. If the Ringwraiths were specifically controlled through the One Ring, how did Sauron control them into hunting for the One Ring during the years when it was lost to him and he did not have it? 4. If Sauron gave seven rings to the Dwarves so he could control them, why did he want these rings back and seek them out?
1. The crafting tech is the link. 2. The power comes from Sauron. 3. They were turn into servant completely, their spirits surrendered. 4. The dwarves were able to withstand the influence and take advantage of them.
@@patriciofernandez6500 1. He didn't create the tech, the Elves already had it. If he put much of his power in the Seven and the Nine, how did he put his power into the Three if the Elves alone created them? 2. It's explicitly specified that the Three were never tainted by Sauron's touch, which proves he could've never controlled them. So how does their power come from Sauron? And why would he put his power into Three rings that could only be used for healing, raising spirits/hopes and protection? That's counter-intuitive. 3. The Ringwraiths were turned into servants to the One Ring, they were bent to the will of its bearer. For centuries that was Gollum, not Sauron. Shouldn't the Ringwraiths have followed Gollum's commands instead? 4. Makes sense.
1. The elves already know how to make rings, yes. But note that the elves never made Rings of Power until Sauron/Annatar arrived. Then Celebrimbor and his smiths made a series of lesser rings under Sauron’s guidance while refining the Rings of Power techniques. Gandalf originally believed that Bilbo’s ring was one of these lesser rings. Sauron was able to influence the three elven rings because he knew how the elven rings were made, knew what made them Rings of Power, and knew how to craft a Master Ring which would take advantage of the elven rings. 2. Sauron linked to the elven rings when he first donned the Master Ring. Effectively Sauron did bind them to the Master Ring, although the bond was weaker than the bond with the Seven and the Nine. As such, he was able to influence them and attempted to control the elves through them, which is why the elves took their rings off. That link was never broken. It just became dormant after the Master Ring was taken by Isildur and then lost. Think of the rings like a computer network. Sauron didn’t directly program the elven rings, but he wrote the ring-making program. Sauron knew the program’s weaknesses and how to access the program’s back door. The Seven and the Nine were different, because without Celebrimbor’s awareness Sauron maliciously modified the ring-making program. 3. According to ring lore, Sauron took back the Nine rings once the nine men were completely corrupted. The men were enthralled and unable to break away, even without physical possession for the rings. Gollum didn’t try to control the Nazgûl because he was just a simple hobbit-like creature, only able to access the Master Ring’s superficial traits such as the ability to become invisible. Gollum didn’t even understand that he wasn’t really invisible, but was instead hidden in a shadow realm. For that matter, the same was true for Bilbo. Neither Gollum nor Bilbo had any idea what they really possessed, and neither had the mental strength nor the inherent malevolence to explore what else the ring might do. 4. The dwarves’ reaction to their rings wasn’t what Sauron had intended. The dwarves’ baser natures were enhanced - they became selfish, greedy, and stubborn - but Sauron was never able to control the dwarves. Basically, the dwarves became an unpredictable malevolent factor in the Middle Earth where Sauron sought to dominate absolutely. Depriving the dwarves of their rings would give Sauron an opportunity to take by force what he couldn’t take by guile.
The rings handed to men allowed Sauron to control them, but is there any evidence that to a certain extent the influence went both ways? Did Sauron accept any desires from the former kings of men?
The answer I think is yes at least in the case of the Witch-King. The Witch-King failed at Angmar-yes he destroyed Arnor, the Line of the Kings survived, and somehow this was not told to Sauron.
@@johnfleet235 Thank you. That is interesting. The reason I asked about the relationships with the ring was "the seeing stones." Sauron could tell who was using them and Gandalf mentioned they were not all accounted for. I thought the same could account for the rings.
Okay, lets get this pronunciation thing knocked on the head - keep reading, you might learn something. According to Appendix E a C should be pronounced as a hard K, thus Kelebrimbor. Tolkien was brought up in the Edwardian period in Birmingham, in the English Midlands. At the time the word Celtic could be pronounced Keltic or Seltic ... as Tolkien was presumably aware that the original root word from the Greek, through Latin translation, was Keltoi I would hazard a guess at him using a hard K for Celebrimbor, as stated in Appendix E. Also in Appendix E it does state that au is a diphthong in Quenya, ie it has a singular sound and should not be pronounced as two separate letters. This doesn't tell us how it is pronounced however. I was read LotR at my primary school in Birmingham (England), at the end of every school day, by a teacher from Birmingham. She pronounced it as Saw-Ron, thus I pronounce it as Saw-Ron. I never questioned the pronunciation until I saw the movies. Reading the comments to this vlog I decided to try to settle it once and for all and try to find how Tolkien pronounced it. I listened to the interview by Denys Gueroult with Professor Tolkien in 1964. Mr Gueroult said Saw-Ron twice, Tolkien doesn't correct him, although he did correct him on the pronunciation of Laurelin earlier in the interview ... and then towards the end of the interview, when talking about power being in high towers Tolkien says 'Morgoth, the prime mover of evil, of whom Sauron was only a petty Lieutenant', listen to it for yourself ... it is very clearly SAW-RON. I don't care how the New-Zealanders pronounce it, I do not care how the Americans pronounce it; my teacher pronounced it as Saw-Ron, I pronounce it as Saw-Ron and most importantly Tolkien pronounced it SAW-RON. A few people owe 'Tolkien's Realm' at least a partial apology !!!
I have always thought the rings in the end failed. The Seven may have weakened the Dwarves, but it also caused the Dwarves to fear Sauron. The Nazgul were powerful, but their terror limited their power among the living.
So I have a question, or two. If the three elven rings had nothing to do with the one ring or the dark lord why did their magic fade when the two were destroyed? Second Burning question: if Saron was such a wonderful ringsmith why did he have to teach the elves how to make rings if he himself could have made all 19 of them himself? Why did he need the elves to do it?
How does the invisibility of the rings work? Why does Frodo's clothing become invisible but not the Nazgûl's clothing? What happens if Frodo has a sword in his hand and puts on the ring? What if he picks up a sword from the ground while wearing the ring? If Frodo makes everything he touches invisible, why doesn't he make the ground invisible, given that hobbits don't wear shoes?
Frodo had the “one ring” of Sauron and not a lesser ring. So it shouldnt be assumed it will behave the same. Plus, when Sauron wore the ring he wasnt invisible when he faced Isildur in battle. So maybe Frodo’s invisibity was peculiar to him or peculiar to him being a hobbit.
Wait a minute. Let's back up a second Celebrimbor alone crafted the elven rings without any assistance from Sauron. I can buy that they could have been used by Sauron using the one wring because the techniques Celebrimbor used had been taught the techniques by Sauron. Why would the elven rings loose their power when the one ring was destroyed. Sauron had no part in their creation.
There's only one thing that I HATE about this. It's Sauron dying, after being cut off his finger. All my life I have cheered for the villains. In other movies and real life. I truly despise the universal law where good always triumphs over the bad.🤬
it's so funny to hear people say that Tolkien hated Allegory which he did, and that Tolkien wanted his legendarium to represent English mythology which he did, as NOT White Supremacy, which it definitely is... The Ring clearly represents Power: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely....
@@andymehmet8206 the Rings were made by the elves for the elves, Sauron later took the Rings and gave to the men and dwarfs, it's unclear if celebrimbor gave a ring to durin.
I've often wondered,why frodo succumbed to the ring in 8yrs cause it was 7yrs before gandalf returned on discovering Bilbo's ring was the ring of power and just under a year from leaving till it was destroyed and Bilbo had it so many yrs and wasn't totally under its control,and I'm sure in those long yrs Bilbo used more times than frodo,just a thought
@@kevinh6526 because saurons power was growing and as the ring got closer to mordor its influence grew stronger. Frodo did fall to the ring and would have claimed it for himself if not for gollums intervention.
Frodo had the ring for 17 years before Gandalf returned, not 7. Frodo inherited the ring at the joint birthday party when he came of age at 33 and Bilbo turned 111. Frodo then lived in the Shire until he turned 50, which was coincidentally the same age that Bilbo was when he joined the dwarves’ quest for Erebor.
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The Tolkien family has missed a marketing opportunity. Tolkien should have put names and descriptions for all 19 rings. Then sell reproductions of them. He could charge a few thousand for each one made with silver and gold with real gems and make millions. I would buy a couple of them.
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You should read the Appendecies of LOTR more carefully, especially those speaking about pronounciation. In the name "Sauron" the letters "Saur" are not pronounced like in "Dinosaur". Also "Celebrimbor" is not pronounced "Selebrimbor", his name is pronounced "Kelebrimbor".
Saroun shouldve just created a machine gun instead.
He doesn't wanna just murder everyone, he wants to control and rule them. And it was pre-industry.
That made me laugh
@@rosdos100 or a thermonuclear gadget
How does a channel named Tolkien's Realm repeatedly mispronounce Celebrimbor, one of the most notable figures in the Tolkenian world?
Because they use an AI voice to read their scripts instead of reading and speaking it themselves.
@@ASimpleGodzillaFan and make images. The hand holding the ring had 7 fingers.
It's and AI voiceover, paired with AI art.
Because this is an AI channel noone should watch
Sauron's taint was my favorite part 😊😂
Why I am laughing at this line of commentary….sigh 😂😊
A few questions arise, I'm trying to follow the logic here.
1. If Sauron didn't touch the three Elven rings or get involved in their creation, how would he control them through the One Ring?
2. After the One Ring was destroyed, why would the power of the three Elven rings fade away if they weren't bound to the One Ring?
3. If the Ringwraiths were specifically controlled through the One Ring, how did Sauron control them into hunting for the One Ring during the years when it was lost to him and he did not have it?
4. If Sauron gave seven rings to the Dwarves so he could control them, why did he want these rings back and seek them out?
1. The crafting tech is the link.
2. The power comes from Sauron.
3. They were turn into servant completely, their spirits surrendered.
4. The dwarves were able to withstand the influence and take advantage of them.
@@patriciofernandez6500
1. He didn't create the tech, the Elves already had it. If he put much of his power in the Seven and the Nine, how did he put his power into the Three if the Elves alone created them?
2. It's explicitly specified that the Three were never tainted by Sauron's touch, which proves he could've never controlled them. So how does their power come from Sauron? And why would he put his power into Three rings that could only be used for healing, raising spirits/hopes and protection? That's counter-intuitive.
3. The Ringwraiths were turned into servants to the One Ring, they were bent to the will of its bearer. For centuries that was Gollum, not Sauron. Shouldn't the Ringwraiths have followed Gollum's commands instead?
4. Makes sense.
1. The elves already know how to make rings, yes. But note that the elves never made Rings of Power until Sauron/Annatar arrived. Then Celebrimbor and his smiths made a series of lesser rings under Sauron’s guidance while refining the Rings of Power techniques. Gandalf originally believed that Bilbo’s ring was one of these lesser rings.
Sauron was able to influence the three elven rings because he knew how the elven rings were made, knew what made them Rings of Power, and knew how to craft a Master Ring which would take advantage of the elven rings.
2. Sauron linked to the elven rings when he first donned the Master Ring. Effectively Sauron did bind them to the Master Ring, although the bond was weaker than the bond with the Seven and the Nine. As such, he was able to influence them and attempted to control the elves through them, which is why the elves took their rings off. That link was never broken. It just became dormant after the Master Ring was taken by Isildur and then lost.
Think of the rings like a computer network. Sauron didn’t directly program the elven rings, but he wrote the ring-making program. Sauron knew the program’s weaknesses and how to access the program’s back door. The Seven and the Nine were different, because without Celebrimbor’s awareness Sauron maliciously modified the ring-making program.
3. According to ring lore, Sauron took back the Nine rings once the nine men were completely corrupted. The men were enthralled and unable to break away, even without physical possession for the rings.
Gollum didn’t try to control the Nazgûl because he was just a simple hobbit-like creature, only able to access the Master Ring’s superficial traits such as the ability to become invisible. Gollum didn’t even understand that he wasn’t really invisible, but was instead hidden in a shadow realm. For that matter, the same was true for Bilbo. Neither Gollum nor Bilbo had any idea what they really possessed, and neither had the mental strength nor the inherent malevolence to explore what else the ring might do.
4. The dwarves’ reaction to their rings wasn’t what Sauron had intended. The dwarves’ baser natures were enhanced - they became selfish, greedy, and stubborn - but Sauron was never able to control the dwarves. Basically, the dwarves became an unpredictable malevolent factor in the Middle Earth where Sauron sought to dominate absolutely. Depriving the dwarves of their rings would give Sauron an opportunity to take by force what he couldn’t take by guile.
The rings handed to men allowed Sauron to control them, but is there any evidence that to a certain extent the influence went both ways? Did Sauron accept any desires from the former kings of men?
No. He completely enthralled them. Any wishes or desires he gave them would be out of deceit
@@silkyjohnston7043 Thanks!
The answer I think is yes at least in the case of the Witch-King. The Witch-King failed at Angmar-yes he destroyed Arnor, the Line of the Kings survived, and somehow this was not told to Sauron.
@@johnfleet235 Thank you. That is interesting. The reason I asked about the relationships with the ring was "the seeing stones." Sauron could tell who was using them and Gandalf mentioned they were not all accounted for. I thought the same could account for the rings.
Sauron himself had a Palantir. This is why he could see the others. Nothing to do with any of The Rings. Good question tho. @@marcosargen3729
dont count fingers in this video
Ah yes. Few could resist the power of Sauron’s taint.
Thank you.
Okay, lets get this pronunciation thing knocked on the head - keep reading, you might learn something.
According to Appendix E a C should be pronounced as a hard K, thus Kelebrimbor. Tolkien was brought up in the Edwardian period in Birmingham, in the English Midlands. At the time the word Celtic could be pronounced Keltic or Seltic ... as Tolkien was presumably aware that the original root word from the Greek, through Latin translation, was Keltoi I would hazard a guess at him using a hard K for Celebrimbor, as stated in Appendix E.
Also in Appendix E it does state that au is a diphthong in Quenya, ie it has a singular sound and should not be pronounced as two separate letters. This doesn't tell us how it is pronounced however. I was read LotR at my primary school in Birmingham (England), at the end of every school day, by a teacher from Birmingham. She pronounced it as Saw-Ron, thus I pronounce it as Saw-Ron. I never questioned the pronunciation until I saw the movies.
Reading the comments to this vlog I decided to try to settle it once and for all and try to find how Tolkien pronounced it. I listened to the interview by Denys Gueroult with Professor Tolkien in 1964. Mr Gueroult said Saw-Ron twice, Tolkien doesn't correct him, although he did correct him on the pronunciation of Laurelin earlier in the interview ... and then towards the end of the interview, when talking about power being in high towers Tolkien says 'Morgoth, the prime mover of evil, of whom Sauron was only a petty Lieutenant', listen to it for yourself ... it is very clearly SAW-RON. I don't care how the New-Zealanders pronounce it, I do not care how the Americans pronounce it; my teacher pronounced it as Saw-Ron, I pronounce it as Saw-Ron and most importantly Tolkien pronounced it SAW-RON.
A few people owe 'Tolkien's Realm' at least a partial apology !!!
Celebrimbor is pronounced with a K sound.
Nice video, thanks 😊
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It was a hard C sound I believe..shrill, but with gusto…
Pronunciation is wrong. It’s SOW-Ron not Sore-on. And Kelebrimbor not Selebrimbor
I have always thought the rings in the end failed. The Seven may have weakened the Dwarves, but it also caused the Dwarves to fear Sauron. The Nazgul were powerful, but their terror limited their power among the living.
Its pronounced as kelebrimbor.
Pronunciation is in Silmarilion appendix
So I have a question, or two.
If the three elven rings had nothing to do with the one ring or the dark lord why did their magic fade when the two were destroyed?
Second Burning question:
if Saron was such a wonderful ringsmith why did he have to teach the elves how to make rings if he himself could have made all 19 of them himself?
Why did he need the elves to do it?
It makes for a better story.
The c is pronounced as a k so it will be kelebrimbor
How does the invisibility of the rings work? Why does Frodo's clothing become invisible but not the Nazgûl's clothing? What happens if Frodo has a sword in his hand and puts on the ring? What if he picks up a sword from the ground while wearing the ring? If Frodo makes everything he touches invisible, why doesn't he make the ground invisible, given that hobbits don't wear shoes?
Frodo had the “one ring” of Sauron and not a lesser ring. So it shouldnt be assumed it will behave the same. Plus, when Sauron wore the ring he wasnt invisible when he faced Isildur in battle. So maybe Frodo’s invisibity was peculiar to him or peculiar to him being a hobbit.
Or maybe Sauron simply exists in several astral planes due to his origins
Wait a minute. Let's back up a second Celebrimbor alone crafted the elven rings without any assistance from Sauron. I can buy that they could have been used by Sauron using the one wring because the techniques Celebrimbor used had been taught the techniques by Sauron. Why would the elven rings loose their power when the one ring was destroyed. Sauron had no part in their creation.
There's only one thing that I HATE about this. It's Sauron dying, after being cut off his finger.
All my life I have cheered for the villains. In other movies and real life. I truly despise the universal law where good always triumphs over the bad.🤬
@@JerryThomas-xc7ur sauron doesnt die. Read the book. Even when the ring is destroyed.
Wonder what would've happened if Sauron didn't convince the elves
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Imagine making an lotr channel and not able to pronounce celebrimbor
grammar nazi? heh
Cillybangor is difficult in old elvilish dammit no more edits
Colostomy bang bore?
“K”elebrimbor
it's so funny to hear people say that Tolkien hated Allegory which he did, and that Tolkien wanted his legendarium to represent English mythology which he did, as NOT White Supremacy, which it definitely is... The Ring clearly represents Power: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely....
@@chasx7062 grow up and get out more.
@@Demonarrows1 cognitive dissonance? heh
@@chasx7062 You think lord of the rings is white supremacy? You're an idiot.
All rings of power were made for elves not dwarves or men
Don't think you read the books did you buddy
@@andymehmet8206 the Rings were made by the elves for the elves, Sauron later took the Rings and gave to the men and dwarfs, it's unclear if celebrimbor gave a ring to durin.
Cast Disney money never make back . And it's not like they'll ever learn from this mistake
I've often wondered,why frodo succumbed to the ring in 8yrs cause it was 7yrs before gandalf returned on discovering Bilbo's ring was the ring of power and just under a year from leaving till it was destroyed and Bilbo had it so many yrs and wasn't totally under its control,and I'm sure in those long yrs Bilbo used more times than frodo,just a thought
@@kevinh6526 because saurons power was growing and as the ring got closer to mordor its influence grew stronger. Frodo did fall to the ring and would have claimed it for himself if not for gollums intervention.
Frodo had the ring for 17 years before Gandalf returned, not 7. Frodo inherited the ring at the joint birthday party when he came of age at 33 and Bilbo turned 111. Frodo then lived in the Shire until he turned 50, which was coincidentally the same age that Bilbo was when he joined the dwarves’ quest for Erebor.
I always assumed it was because he didn't carry it around with him it was in an envelope in a cupboard