No one ever talks about Gandalf's super human stamina and imperviousness. While battling the Balrog he easily survived a fall from great height. He followed the Balrog "from the lowest dungeon to the highest peak" without food or water. All in all he battled the Balrog for 8 days without sleep or rest!
Also, it is worth noting that as a Maia, Gandalf had some control over basically the fabric of reality. He could speak something and make it be true. “You cannot pass.” “Your staff is broken.” And the Balrog could not pass. And Saruman’s staff was broken.
Well, Saruman's case is just a matter of authority, Gandalf having been promoted to the White gave him direct authority over the other Istari, that is also why Saruman beats and imprisons him easily at the beginning of the story.
Again and again and again...Tolkien's message is reflected in his poem: “All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king.” He repeats this theme over and over again: that just because something appears weak, frail, fragile, and even worthless, does not mean it is so. It is the quintessence of the idea of "judging not by the appearance." You see it in Bilbo, you see it in Frodo, you see it in Aragorn, you see it in Gandalf...you even see it on Gollum, who was on the very cusp of repentance because of Frodo's unearned kindness to him. Gandalf purposely concealed the extent of his power. He made himself appear meek and humble, on purpose. And there were many who underestimated him, to their detriment. Those who engaged in naked power for the sake of power were, in the end, defeated. It was not power that won the war. It was humility, and grace, and kindness, and courage, and compassion which did. The theme is woven in most of the characters in the work, and it is elegant, subtle, beautiful, and brilliant.
@@istari0 I fail to see how this changes what OP is saying, or how you even thought this detail had eluded OP. Such an unnecessary "correction" and, even coming from this massive Tolkien nerd who does correct people, this comes off as peak "akchually"
Honestly, one of my favourite moments with Gandalf is when Aragorn and co reunite with him in Fangorn and Gimli says to effect, "Sorry, we almost killed you back there." and Gandalf basically humble-brags, "It's okay, your weapons wouldn't have been able to hurt me anyway! :)"
@@kieranbrentnall3291 To the greatest dwarven kingdom ever. Though im not sure what dwarves could actually do at all. Especially against the movie depiction.
He's got more levels in thief than wizard. Stole a book, stole a sword, stole a horse, stole a giant magical marble. Every time there's loot he's grabbing the best pieces.
@BrockDorrough-go9qs You ever met a thief who WOULD refer to themselves as such? They are well known for having every excuse in the book to not fess up...Gandalf's was claiming to be a wizard...hell, he even kept company with well known burglars and recommended one for a job!
I like how Gandalf is basically anti-sauron, he's humble and kind and his ring helps him bring hope and courage wherever he arrives, while sauron is cruel, arrogant and his ring take away all hope and free will
And thats why Gandalf was the perfect maiar to send to oppose Sauron. He was even so humble that he was afraid he wasn't powerful enough for the task, and yet so courageous that he went anyway when commanded to do so.
Yes; and, further, that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ~ only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
@@ryaj2356 he was referring to the one ring, which is sauron's ring that was lost after the last alliance of elves and men beat up sauron. its like...the first scene in the movies.
Yes, this seems fundamental ~ the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Welp its pretty much implied you see Saruman supposed wisest and most powerful among the istari fall to darkness because of his pride and greed and Gandalf is pretty much his opposite
Gandalf has always seemed to be a powerful being who restricted himself only using his power when absolutely neccessary, unlike Saruman who wasn't as keen to do the same
There also seems to be a kind of degenerative effect to magic in this world. In a previous video Robert pointed out that magic is considerably lessened in the Third Age versus the First, for example. That Morgoth, disseminating himself into Arda, was left physically less powerful in some ways. And Saruman, by the end of his story, was left almost powerless. I think there is a finite amount of "magic" in the world and one uses up their allotment at their own peril.
@@KorriTimiganYes but only when binding yourself to outside objects like both Sauron and Morgoth did. Morgoth bound himself to Arda itself Sauron to his ring.
One of the few times and I don't think it was mentioned in the video was he cast a spell on a door to keep it sealed when the Balrog was first chasing them. He mentions that it took "all of his ability and focus and he needed time to recover".
Galdalf, like all the Istari, were forbidden to meet strenght with strength. Saruman fell and was no longer bound by this edict. The Istari were send to encourage the free people of Middle Earth to resist. To paraphrase: Eru helps them who help themself.
Yes because Gandalf acts more as a guide with that being his duty as a Maiar meanwhile Saruman has decided to neglect his duty as a maiar same with sauron and his master.
A lot of Gandalfs magic comes simply by way of "authority" over the world. Namely, the destruction of Sarumans staff. He simply stated it as though it was part of the story. He was granted greater insight into Erus plan and greater authority to influence the world upon his return.
I always saw it as two things, Gandalf’s role is to inspire others, not do everything for them, and that magic leaves a mark the Sauron/Saurumon may detect.
Or possibly that Gandalf foresaw Saruman's fall and for that reason did not use the full extent of his and his ring's power. He generally considers all his actions and I can imagine he may have withheld some of his powers at times so not as to fall into the same demise Saruman did.
He says as much when up on that mountain. "I may as well wave a sign that says 'Gandalf is here!' to anyone who can see it" to paraphrase what he says to the others regarding him using his magic to light the fire. And powerful, flashy effects are pretty much what Sauron was looking for in his search for the Ring.
Yep, Sauron was looking for a rival or burgeoning enemy to crush and dominate, Saruman was looking to pull off a terrorist coup by any means necessary, and Gandalf was wise enough to misdirect and outplay them both even before he knew Saruman had fallen to evil schemes@@bluesbest1
for sure. Gandalf in essence is meant to be a guide for men. That's his duty as a maiar, not to be a great warrior and fight their battles but to show them the way.
This is not only a great rundown of Gandalf’s skills, but a brilliant character study! Probably the most accurate and easy to understand analysis of Gandalf I’ve seen! It’s amazing how much his humility shaped his personality and actions, and therefore shaped the history of middle earth.
If I remember correctly, there are writings that say that Gandalf and the other Istari were forbidden from displaying their full power to the inhabitants of Middle Earth, or from matching Sauron's power with their own. One could also argue that being confined to a mortal body would also temper what power he could bring to bear.
I might be wrong on this, but i belive its all the ainur were forbidden from direct involvement after the breaking of belariand. Such devestation that brought was unacceptable. The valar and co were forbidden from direct involvement to avoid such future catastrophe, and the istari were sent in weaker bodies, with much of their memory and power diminished and in the bodies of old men to help guide the people of middle earth to their own success. At the critical moment, gandalf was sent back with a bit more of his original self to see it done, but again not to directly oppose sauron. Which is to say, i think you're right, but it wasn't just the wizards but all the godly types.
@@jackpowell9276 You aren't wrong....but I would add that the restriction was self-imposed. Eru didn't seem to provide any say in the matter. Also....the decision was due more to "simply" just the breaking of Beleriand. Manwe finally processed by the end of the 2nd Age that much of the destruction, misery, et al was indirectly caused by their direct involvement and that Elves and Men had to stand on their own and figure it out for themselves. In other words...trying to force The Free People's into picking sides ended in disaster after disaster.
Yes; and, further, that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ~ only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
@@ashleybies1694Exactly💜 I'd argue that's the central theme of LotR, even above the values of hope, friendship, compassion, and strength through diversity against oppression. Power Corrupts. It's evident in every corner of the story
Yes, in the appendix it says of the Istari "they were forbidden to match his (i.e. Sauron's) power with power, or to seek to dominate Elves or Men by force and fear."
The majesty of Gandalf is that despite the great power he holds, he uses the least amount of magic necessary to accomplish whatever task needs to be accomplished.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
I'll always admire how Tolkien was the first to develop a lot of these tropes, and did it with so much nuance and restraint that it still holds up almost a century later.
I've always been fascinated with Gandalf as a character who was indeed a powerful wizard, but whose brains, diplomatic skills, and simply acting as a go between, are far more consequential than whatever powers he has. That who he was rather than what he was, was more important. Given most Dark Lord types appear to be tremendous organisers for their evil empires regardless of magical power etc, the same may be true of them!
I agree with the first, and have the following to add; and disagree with the second, for the following reason - Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail. {thus, Gandalf’s role of providing wisdom and truth to power but not holding power himself contrasts diametrically with both dark and light power holders and most wielders ~ particularly Maiar who have either long ago fallen to holding power (Sauron) or recently done so (Sauruman)}
I wonder what the inn-goers thought after the 7 years was up... "Ah, yes, I remember the good stuff...3023, 3024, I think, was the last of it. What I wouldn't give for a pint of 3024!"
Let's not forget the words of "guard and guiding" Gandalf laid upon Bill the Pony when they had to cut him loose at the entrance to Moria. For some reason, this has always charmed me the most, of all the magical things Gandalf did in the books.
"You are a wise beast, and have learned much in Rivendell. Make your ways to places where you can find grass, and so come in time to Elrond’s house, or wherever you wish to go." Gandalf had Bill's back, and Bill arrived safe in Bree after 300 miles of travel. After Sam came back to Bree, Butterbur had Bill and gave him back, and they stayed together for the rest of the pony's life.
Humbleness is great explanation for why he doesn’t do a lot of magic. On the other hand, I have always assumed that he didn’t do it a lot because he doesn’t have “infinite” magic. Similar to how Melkor and Sauron were diminished over time by their deeds because so much of their essence went into their manipulation of Arda using magic.
Thats a good point. Throughout all Tolkiens writings, he explains how generations before were stronger then today. A lot stronger. Maybe that applies to magic users over time also. They use it all up eventually. Saruman retained his voice tho....which was a bit of a curveball when first reading the books after Gandalf snapped his staff and banished him from the Istari Order
I always felt that Gandalf's magic was more passive and pervasive, more like a continuous area-of-effect buff for the party than anything direct; he mainly serves as a guide and advisor, leaving most of the overt decision-making to Aragorn or Frodo. When he returns as the White, he becomes more direct in his own actions then, but still he maintains those same roles, albeit with more authority to his station than previously afforded him.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Look at the immense destruction wrought upon Beleriand when the Valar decided to take the fight to Morgoth ... They figured that using their full power and military might would devastate what was left of Middle Earth. So it was time for the "subtle plan". Send some Maiar with a serious limiter on their power and help the free people defeat Sauron. And when he died, the Valar allowed Gandalf not just to go back since he seemed to be the only one who had stuck to the original plan and had at least achieved something, but also to take at least one glove for the upcoming fight.
@@rotwang2000 what about the other Istari? The Blue Wizards and Radagast...I sincerely hope Radagast was allowed in? Purely because he cared and protected the animals of Middle Earths forests...
I think we simply don't know what Gandalf would ultimately have been capable of. We never saw the extent of his powers, because he didn't use them, and he didn't use them because he didn't need to. Not only because he was humble and not flashy, but also because he wasn't power orientated. He didn't desire power, or the use of it. He used his power precisely when he needed to. ...except maybe when he showed off to Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas when appearing as Gandalf the White. Though I suspect that was more down to Tolkien's flair for drama 😂 The fireworks, smoke rings and foaming horses were also not for vainglorious flashiness or an exercise of power. Gandalf did that kind of stuff because wanted to delight, play and inspire. He was someone who loved play, pleasure, hope and all those good things in life. He didn't exist to fight Sauron and destroy evil. He existed to protect goodness, to inspire the free peoples of middle earth. Joy and hope were very important to him.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
I always felt that when Gandalf fought, mortals would perceive the fight in the physical realm, whereas there was actually a magical fight going on in a magical realm which was not perceptible by mortals.
There certainly was something hidden going on. When Saruman imprisoned Gandalf, they both seemed able to assess their relative powers, with each understanding, without a fight or outward struggle, that Saruman was the stronger wizard. I mean, what were they seeing then? What did they sense with such clarity? Glorfindel, too, had hidden powers that the dark riders clearly feared, though outwardly merely a swordsman. Aragorn too. Remember how his stern gaze so deeply frightened the Mouth of Sauron? Tolkien clearly didn't feel compelled to reveal everything about everyone, or show all his cards. Power in Tolkien's world is, to a degree, directly perceived by the great, but is mostly hidden from us, expressed primarily as a vibe we sense through subtle hints.
@@polarvortex3294 i always thought the battle beetween saroman and gandalf in the orthanc was looking more like a staring contest to bistanders than we saw in the movie.
I doubt breaking Saruman's staff was telekinetic. I have always understood that to be Olórin's proven Righteousness and new Authority. The staff broke on Gandalf's word alone. Because he was given Judgement over Curumo/Curumir, who had rejected his Mercy.
I agree. Not telekinesis but a word of command. Gandalf speaks and those things happen for the most part. The door spell he uses in Moira is similar. (Not the one to open it but to close it) He commands the door and it obeys.
@@Loreweavver It happens in other places too: "You cannot pass" and indeed the Balrog could not. In the books (unlike the films) Gandalf soundly rebuffs the Witch King by telling him that "you cannot enter". And then the Witch King can indeed not enter and eventually leaves to do something else. Sarumans staff is the same: he says "your staff is broken" and now it is. I think this type of magic is pretty cool and ties in really well with the Ainur literally singing the world into being. Their words are literally what reality is made of.
@@wanderhillen2435 This is a key thing about how magic works in the Tolkienian world - speaking things into existence. It ties in with the Christian theological strand which was a big element in JRRT's influences. Think the start of Genesis where God speaks the universe into existence, or Jesus simply says the word and miracles happen. Much of the rest of the "magic" could be described as boosted psychology - Gandalf supercharging people's mental states or overawing them, Saruman befuddling his listeners, Sauron spreading doubt and despair. Still powerful, probably more so than the more traditionally fantasy-magical "spells" to close doors and the like. This, I think, lines up with the livt versus dark theme of Middle Earth. Characters can use those forces to enhance their own abilities to charm or terrify. Plus using props like glowing swords, oceans of thick darkness or the Phial of Galariel (which causes a humble hobbit gardener to be perceived as a fearsome elven warrior).
@@Ulfcytel Consider the first verse of John in the Bible, which Tolkien would have known well: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In this instance, "the Word" is a synonym for Jesus, but it is apparent that Tolkien put great store of power in words in his tale, as well as how the servants of Eru used words and song as manifestations of His and their power.
I get the feeling that a lot of Gandalf's "combat" magic involves breaking enemy morale in various ways. Even the nasgul often break and flee when he casts a spell at them. So perhaps he didn't cast a fireball at them-instead he cast a spell that broke their spirits and sent them scurrying away, a bit like Turn Undead in dnd but way way stronger.
One of the few times and I don't think it was mentioned in the video was he cast a spell on a door to keep it sealed when the Balrog was first chasing them. He mentions that it took "all of his ability and focus and he needed time to recover". I believe this only happens in the books if memory serves.
Let be real though he also was able to easily solo Aragon,Gimli, and Legolas. Pretty safe to say that he could take almost anyone 1 v 1 with the exception of sauron.
@@sammycakes8778 I mean, as Gandalf the grey he caused all 9 nazgul, while mounted on fell beasts, to break and flee in terror at weathertop. Ofc he could take the 3 hunters as Gandalf the white. He probably could take all of them without even expending meaningful effort to do so even while they gave it their all, which I do not mean to sell the 3 short. They're some of the mightiest individual warriors in middle earth at the time and Gandalf no-sells them. Really makes you understand that he's effectively a divine being and functionally untouchable by mere mortals.
@@davidthomas2870 That's not quite right for Weathertop (I just reread it). He held them off (and was sorely tested) until sunrise, when they retreated because their power is weakened in the daytime. He then fled north himself in the hopes they'd chase him and move away from the Hobbits. This sort of worked... four of them followed Gandalf for most of the day while the other five continued east. But the four following Gandalf realized he was leading them astray and returned to the chase... he wasn't their primary target. Gandalf the White was able to command significantly more power against them... he drove them off even while riding MUCH more formidable mounts. Though, again... he caught them during daytime. You do have to remember... Gandalf is incredibly power and skilled. But his body is still a human body. He CAN die... even to an orc if he was caught unawares. (Though that's a very unlikely supposition.)
Well done with this, didn’t expect it to be much more than the usual ‘how powerful’ videos you see but wasn’t like that at all. Some really nice insights into the subtleties of his abilities and how magical themes that define how Gandalf operates runs through the stories. Great job!
The LOTR is very much a story about recognizing that the renunciation of power can be a profound virtue, accomplishing good in a way that wielding power could not. In one of your earlier videos, on the LOTR from Sauron's perspective, you explain how Sauron's Achilles heal was that he couldn't conceive of someone not only not wanting to wield the power of the one ring, but of actually wanting to destroy it rather than wield it. Gandalf's caution with his own power (and his refusal to carry the ring) is the positive counterpart to this-even in the hands of someone (or some spirit) who is good, great power is dangerous. Even in battle, Gandalf avoids using his power to destroy his enemies, at least those less powerful than him (like the nazgul); he instead uses just enough power to drive them away, essentially giving them a second chance to consider the path they have chosen. Even against his near-equal, Saruman, he holds back from destruction. It's only against the balrog and Sauron (fellow Maiar, though "fellow" must be used losely here!) that we see him act to destroy. It's hard not to see Tolkien's Catholicism reflected in this choice of theme, that there is strength in weakness (even if Catholicism in practice has often abandoned humility and misused power). -Tom
Gandald magic is more subtle than what we see in other franchises. But for the people paying attention to details his power was alway massiv. For me his most outstanding capability was the ability to give others hope. Leaders like this changed the world for the better many times. And that is also true in the real world.
A few days before, when standing in front of a certain closed door, he goes into his "palace of the mind" to recall the opening words. Because he once knew every spell known to the free folk of the world. His catalogue is probably about as extensive as Wikipedia's.
I recall an old article in Dragon, the D&D magazine, titled "Gandalf Was a 4th level Magicuser" but that put him in the game's context where magic is incredibly common.
Same. And in fact, Gandalf DID use fireballs, but only when necessary--he cast them using pine cones as a material component in The Hobbit. He cast flame arrow on one of Legolas' shots that went through the throat of a warg leader in Eregion. He used some kind of fire/lightning/light magic while fighting the nazgul on Weathertop. He used lightning on the peak of Zirak-Zigil during the battle with the balrog, as it sure didn't come from the balrog! Tolkien just didn't give us the details, but Gandalf was the epitome of restraint and economic use of his magic powers...but he did have quite a few spells. I figure he used a lot of spells that were, as mentioned, not flashy, that effectively were cleric spells rather than mage spells, since Gandalf very much functioned with divine power through Iluvatar...probably the equivalent of bless and other buff, resistance, and fortification spells that allowed his allies to make their saving throws and caused his enemies to fail theirs!
I think Tolkien saw Gandalf as more as guide rather than a super powerful hero, this allowed for mortals to path their own way and although we see Gandalf do some awesome things, it was never seen as outrageous, this is excellent world building for other characters to excel in their own ways. This in turn made the Balrog fight even more impressive.
I read some comments and found out that the Itari (which is a I guess a type of Demigod) are sent not to completely harm in people of Middle Earth, but to guide them. Pretty cool
4:00 Imagine being told by your leader: “We have to do without hope.” Simultaneously chilling and oddly inspiring to carry on. That’s a natural leader!
Well done, Geek. Something important to mention here is that there's a lot of "magic inflation" out there nowadays. People expect incredible, giant displays of magic. They expect to see lots of it. This lowers the value of magic and makes it less special. Tolkien had this figured out with his writings and work. Whenever you see a hint of magic in Tolkien literature, you're always left with a sense of wonder, in part due to its limited usage, but also due to the lack of full explanations. It leaves the reader's mind to wander a bit, and that inspires imagination. This is precisely what's lacking nowadays due to instant gratification culture.
I think that's more due to the roles of the magic being different in other stories. Lord of the rings was trying to emulate the feeling of a lot of ancient legends where stuff like causing some guys farm land to rot would be a incredibly powerful use of magic or having a extra sharp sword. But in the modern day when we have stuff like Nuclear weapons and other things of that nature stuff like that doesn't really hit as strong. So the super flashy magic I feel tends to be trying to get passed that feeling by making the magic blatantly powerful. Not really worse I think than Tolkien but far different in story design.
And yet, this is exactly why young me couldn't finish the Wheel of Time books. Hundreds and hundreds of pages of (to my young mind) boring politics and love and bickering, with one big flash at the end of something special to entice you into the next book. I have no doubt that there are many levels of depth to them and that I was (am?) uncultured swine, but the fact if the matter is, I went back to Death Gate Cycle, Dragon Lance and Rogue Squadron. Tolkien's magic was different though. It wasn't just rare, it felt ever-present but restrained intentionally by characters (esp. Gandalf) so that other characters could shine! I did like LOTR as a teen! But Lord knows I almost didn't make it past Bombadil, haha!
@@WarttHog What might be missing in Wheel of Time and not missing in LOTR is simply the love and awe Tolkien felt himself. He and Lewis loved their worlds to pieces, built them on their innermost feelings, their loveliest moments and most horrible war experiences, and were in awe of old myths and stories. That's a powerful ingredient. I haven't read Wheel of Time, but I suppose if it lacks both magic AND love and awe, it's understandable that it was hard to read.
@@martavdz4972 yeah, that could be part of it. I have no doubt Robert Jordan loved his series as well or he wouldn't have made it through like 10 books at a thousand pages each! (Forgive me RUclips comments if I'm misremembering!) But it could have been more a love of the characters, the problems they overcome, even the process of writing, as opposed to a love of existing in the world themselves. However, I strongly suspect it was more likely that I was a male young adult with ADHD and didn't have much patience for reading unless stuff was frequently blowing up. XD To be honest I loved Star Wars: Rogue Squadron much more than LOTR, though even at the time I had no doubt that LOTR was a much deeper world.
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." Futurama. Your video reminded me of the god in "Godfellas" and this quote at the end of the episode
4:17 The beautiful thing about this power, is that we all have it inside of us. If we have the proper character and carry ourselves in a good way, we too can bring hope and courage to others
0:56 He absolutely throws fireballs at the Nazgûl! In the fellowship he fights all 9 on top of Weathertop. Aragorn and the hobbits can see the flashes of fire and lightning from miles away.
It was Gandalf's collection of knowledge that I felt the books tried to impress upon the reader. Such dialog as "I once knew every spell in the tongues of elves, men or orcs. I can recall half of them without searching my memory." (prob not a verbatim quote) and such scenes as his poring over documents in search of the scroll of Isuldur, were testament of this to me. An immortal being that spent the majority of his existence upon Middle Earth in study either from books or first-hand investigation. Remember also at the end of the Return of the King when the White Council was still together on the road back to Rivendell and The Shire, how it described the council in silent conclave, sending thoughts from mind to mind. At one point, Sauron himself fled from Gandalf when he was masquerading as The Necromancer. Had this been more intently covered in the text it probably would have lent a lot of creedence to Gandalf's strength.
Sauron (The Necromancer) fled from the White Council, not just Gandalf. That was the combined force of Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Elrond, and Galadriel. (And possibly some other powerful elves.)
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Gandalf saves his power for that which truly needs it the most. The utmost of his power is seen in his fight with the Balrog. His abilities with fire are probably what kept him in the battle long enough to win it though he had to die as well in the process. The movie showed his best as he was pulling down lightning and blasting it through Glamdring to deal the final blow. And that battle went on for several days with fire and lightning all over the mountaintop.
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I think there was always a firmly restrained power to Gandalf. His biggest 'power' though to have the humility to reach out, form relationships and build trust with the various people he encountered over his travels. Those relationships paid off as he was able to guide and leverage their efforts towards greater goals.
He is assigned the task of rallying the forces of good against the evils of Sauron, so it seems natural that he influence and inspire, not just confront Sauron directly himself.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Gandalf, an angelic being with some measure of control over the fabric of reality has all the incredible power of a flashlight, fire starting kit, and being fun to hang out with
Viewing Gandalf's acts of magic collectively (as in the video), rather than threaded throughout the LoTR, really demonstrates the breadth of his magical powers and his wisdom in applying them based on the parameters set for him. I also appreciate that Gandalf used magic artistically (and sparingly), for his own pleasure as in the instances of his fireworks displays in the shire, blowing smoke rings and even adding the horses to the flood of the Bruinen unleashed by Elrond. Unless it is indicated otherwise, this didn't seem necessary to destroy the Nazgul, but may have provided courage to those who witnessed it.
It's rather specific that the horses were entirely unnecessary. Gandalf added them for the cool effect. (He did not use that term, of course.) It's similar to his use of fireworks... he loves showing off in ways that make people happy. (And, like you said... this helps make them more hopeful and courageous.)
I just found your channel and these are such nice videos, super calming to listen to, I could just fall asleep to these (in a good way not a boring way haha).
Wisdom, to eschew power, particularly Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Gandalf is a very powerful wizard that doesn't want to show flashy tricks and spells, instead just making sure everytime he use his magical power it's going to be effective and nothing will be of waste. He doesn't want enemies to know how powerful he is so they can't gauge him or predict his next move. He plays mind chess and chooses the best move available every single time. Showing off is a thing for weaker beings.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
4:04 Gandalf *does* get weary. When they meet the Balrog in Moria, the text reads: "'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.' "
In Deep Geek, Thank you for the joy you bring in making these videos and showing us the hidden lore and thoughts of the community and Tolkien himself. Your videos rekindle my heart in a world that grows chill. Thank you.
Yea, I’ve long wished for this other great fantasy world (and perhaps only other great fantasy story and source of wisdom) to be covered in depth as well
According to what I understand, Gandalf the Gray is quite powerful. But Gandalf the White is more powerful still. But it makes me rather sad to see him go in the end. You know a character is well written when you miss them when they are not there anymore. I will always love and miss Gandalf
Thanks so much ! I had requested a video on how powerful is Sauron (without the orc army, without Saruman, without the Nazgul, just by himself in the 3rd age). Though this video isn’t that it gives a great hint to my curiosity! Hope to see that video explanation soon one day :) Thanks! I love your work !
Didn't Gandalf also dislike using magic because it would show others (like maybe other Maiar like Saruman) exactly where he was? I think he says something like this in the books.
He references this when he uses magic to light the fire in the blizzard on Caradhras. Basically saying that if anyone saw that they will know he was there
@indeepgeek would you 🙏 please make podcast version of your playlists. Your story telling style and voice is the best in class. I love to keep them offline in podcast apps and listen to them many times.
Gandalf has the power of restraint. Also, I got the impression in all the writing of the cost of using power. Morgoth is most powerful, but as time goes on and he pours more and more of himself into his corrupted creatures and the corrupting of the world he diminishes. He unleashes all he has twisted in the final battle of the first age but when it is all done he's cowering in deepest pit. He never even comes out of fight. All the great objects of the story are made once and can never be made again. Simarils, the Two Trees all max effort accomplishments that the creators admit, (I poured all I had into it, it can be done again)
Gandalf is so powerful, he leveled up (with a little help from Eru Iluvatar). Don't forget: He has his native powers as a Maia and also bears a Ring of Power. Re: Being a Battle Mage. He offed a Balrog. That's no small feat.
Great video, really like your narration. But one correction. The fact he was a maia was not the reason he was sent back to ME. Glorfindel and Beren also returned from Mandos
I named my precious -kittie Maia as soon as I knew she was coming home with me last year. Now, I have expanded her name to Maia Melian. Inspired by Tolkien's books.
Yes ~ to concentrate power and control would be to fall, whether in defeat or in victory (and thus create a new Dark Lord on the same throne of controlling destruction) Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
I remember in the Fellowship of The Ring movie when Gandalf fell into the abyss with the Balrog, everyone thought he died and cried, BUT Legolas looked paralysed and confused which seems strange to me and I thought he must be bad at acting. After reading Tolkien books and lore, I finally understand that Legolas looked stunned because to him Gandalf dying is like witnessing a God dying which is unheard of.
I do love how unique Tolkien’s approach is to the use of magic. So many modern shows have huge shows and extravagant uses of it, but he kept it rather mysterious and low key. Almost like the showiness really isn’t the most powerful uses of it
Tolkien always valued subtlety. I think it gave his writings a beautiful maturity and restraint, on top of the beautiful human wisdom therein. Gandalf is a prime example of that. Unlike the more "obvious" and "flashy" fantasy like GOT, or the more weak minded HP, Tolkien's fantasy will age gracefully with you and will keep speaking to you throughout the years.
Tell me you haven't read ASoIaF without telling me you haven't read AsoIaF. Harry Potter is an entirely different style of fantasy so the comparison is less than apt.
Yes Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Incidentally, that's one of the things the movie trilogy always got wrong about this saga: subtlety. I.e. Tolkien wrote of how Wormtongue's discouraging words "poisoned and weakened the mind" of King Theoden and how Gandalf reverted that... And the movie makes it look like a literal exorcism.
This video is a revised and updated version of a video first released in April 2020.
I was just thinking... "I'm sure I've seen this video already!" :D
I concur, I also found this familiar.
Okay, so I am not tripping.
Ah. Alrighty. I could swear that I'd watched this already some time ago.
I was about to be pissed about it being a re upload.
No one ever talks about Gandalf's super human stamina and imperviousness. While battling the Balrog he easily survived a fall from great height. He followed the Balrog "from the lowest dungeon to the highest peak" without food or water. All in all he battled the Balrog for 8 days without sleep or rest!
because he isnt human....
This is directly tied to his Ring and the things that *are* discussed in this video...
the balrog had to do that too, and they're both Maiar
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The Balrog wasn't in a human body though.
@@henkhenkste6076 No, but Gandalf does eat and sleep. Even Gandalf the White.
Also, it is worth noting that as a Maia, Gandalf had some control over basically the fabric of reality.
He could speak something and make it be true.
“You cannot pass.” “Your staff is broken.”
And the Balrog could not pass. And Saruman’s staff was broken.
Well, Saruman's case is just a matter of authority, Gandalf having been promoted to the White gave him direct authority over the other Istari, that is also why Saruman beats and imprisons him easily at the beginning of the story.
“You shall not pass.” Said Gandalf calmly.
@nanot.1984 in my 1990 copy of the book, Gandalf says "shall".
@nanot.1984in the movie Gandalf says “you cannot pass” first before yelling “shall not”
@nanot.1984 yes he does…go rewatch the scene.
Again and again and again...Tolkien's message is reflected in his poem:
“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.”
He repeats this theme over and over again: that just because something appears weak, frail, fragile, and even worthless, does not mean it is so. It is the quintessence of the idea of "judging not by the appearance." You see it in Bilbo, you see it in Frodo, you see it in Aragorn, you see it in Gandalf...you even see it on Gollum, who was on the very cusp of repentance because of Frodo's unearned kindness to him.
Gandalf purposely concealed the extent of his power. He made himself appear meek and humble, on purpose. And there were many who underestimated him, to their detriment.
Those who engaged in naked power for the sake of power were, in the end, defeated. It was not power that won the war. It was humility, and grace, and kindness, and courage, and compassion which did.
The theme is woven in most of the characters in the work, and it is elegant, subtle, beautiful, and brilliant.
In-universe, Bilbo wrote that about Aragorn.
Even the smallest creatures can change the course of the future
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I fail to see how this changes what OP is saying, or how you even thought this detail had eluded OP. Such an unnecessary "correction" and, even coming from this massive Tolkien nerd who does correct people, this comes off as peak "akchually"
Another great example is the Ring is the simplest and least adorned of all the great rings and yet it is the centre of power for the whole story.
Dang son. Eloquently spoken, good sir.
Honestly, one of my favourite moments with Gandalf is when Aragorn and co reunite with him in Fangorn and Gimli says to effect, "Sorry, we almost killed you back there." and Gandalf basically humble-brags, "It's okay, your weapons wouldn't have been able to hurt me anyway! :)"
"But why'd ya send my axe flying then?"
"Thought it be funny. :)"
" . . . wizards..."
I mean if aragorn had his enchanted sword or one of the blades he gave to the Hobbits he might have done damage
Gandalf: 😎
Odd considering a simple dagger had slain Saruman. Begs the question where Gandalf’s seeming invulnerability came from.
@@joshuapatrick682 At that point sarumon is no longer the white , his powers were essentially stripped
I think it is worth noting that Gandalf defeated the Balrog and that Balrog had defeated all the dwarves in Moria.
Yes, even among Balrogs, Durin's Bane seemed particularly dangerous.
The Balrog that destroyed the greatest and largest Dwarven city singlehandedly, yeah.
So Gandalf is a least equal to a dwarven army
@@kieranbrentnall3291 To the greatest dwarven kingdom ever. Though im not sure what dwarves could actually do at all. Especially against the movie depiction.
The Balrog was aoe spec, Gandalf spec’d single target
Man, there’s just something so wholesome about your LOTR videos that never fails to bring a smile to my face. Keep doing what you’re doing!
Agreed! Tolkien's work is so rich and profound that it inspires countless discussions and debates.
Yes. There's a true understanding and respect of Tolkien's world and vision that always comes through in these videos. I never tire of them.
Like the old adage goes. "When you do things right, people will hardly think you did anything at all."
"We are a strictly nonviolent religion. We only practice martial arts as a form of meditation."
"This is the worst crazy cult I've ever been in!"
damn right. so right no one notices it ouch
Make it a double!!!
Futurama
"We cooked our shoes in the dryer and ate them; now we're bored!"
He's got more levels in thief than wizard. Stole a book, stole a sword, stole a horse, stole a giant magical marble. Every time there's loot he's grabbing the best pieces.
😂😂😂😅😅😅
Hobo. Wizard
You would have to say just a very savvy kleptomaniac, Gandalf would and could not ever refer himself as a thief.
@BrockDorrough-go9qs You ever met a thief who WOULD refer to themselves as such? They are well known for having every excuse in the book to not fess up...Gandalf's was claiming to be a wizard...hell, he even kept company with well known burglars and recommended one for a job!
@@johnhildenbrand2642 as I was saying, just a very savvy kleptomaniac! 😂 no more no less
I like how Gandalf is basically anti-sauron, he's humble and kind and his ring helps him bring hope and courage wherever he arrives, while sauron is cruel, arrogant and his ring take away all hope and free will
I didn’t believe Sauron had a ring, which is why he sought the one ring. Gandalf held one of the Three elf rings which amplified his powers.
And thats why Gandalf was the perfect maiar to send to oppose Sauron. He was even so humble that he was afraid he wasn't powerful enough for the task, and yet so courageous that he went anyway when commanded to do so.
Yes; and, further, that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ~ only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
@@ryaj2356 he was referring to the one ring, which is sauron's ring that was lost after the last alliance of elves and men beat up sauron. its like...the first scene in the movies.
@@ryaj2356you’re talking about Saruman.
My belief is that Gandalf’s restraint and humility helped to keep him from falling into darkness.
Yes, this seems fundamental ~ the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Welp its pretty much implied you see Saruman supposed wisest and most powerful among the istari fall to darkness because of his pride and greed and Gandalf is pretty much his opposite
Gandalf has always seemed to be a powerful being who restricted himself only using his power when absolutely neccessary, unlike Saruman who wasn't as keen to do the same
There also seems to be a kind of degenerative effect to magic in this world. In a previous video Robert pointed out that magic is considerably lessened in the Third Age versus the First, for example. That Morgoth, disseminating himself into Arda, was left physically less powerful in some ways. And Saruman, by the end of his story, was left almost powerless.
I think there is a finite amount of "magic" in the world and one uses up their allotment at their own peril.
@@KorriTimiganYes but only when binding yourself to outside objects like both Sauron and Morgoth did. Morgoth bound himself to Arda itself Sauron to his ring.
One of the few times and I don't think it was mentioned in the video was he cast a spell on a door to keep it sealed when the Balrog was first chasing them. He mentions that it took "all of his ability and focus and he needed time to recover".
Galdalf, like all the Istari, were forbidden to meet strenght with strength. Saruman fell and was no longer bound by this edict. The Istari were send to encourage the free people of Middle Earth to resist. To paraphrase: Eru helps them who help themself.
Yes because Gandalf acts more as a guide with that being his duty as a Maiar meanwhile Saruman has decided to neglect his duty as a maiar same with sauron and his master.
A lot of Gandalfs magic comes simply by way of "authority" over the world. Namely, the destruction of Sarumans staff. He simply stated it as though it was part of the story. He was granted greater insight into Erus plan and greater authority to influence the world upon his return.
Perhaps he is still singing the world into being?
I always saw it as two things, Gandalf’s role is to inspire others, not do everything for them, and that magic leaves a mark the Sauron/Saurumon may detect.
Or possibly that Gandalf foresaw Saruman's fall and for that reason did not use the full extent of his and his ring's power. He generally considers all his actions and I can imagine he may have withheld some of his powers at times so not as to fall into the same demise Saruman did.
He says as much when up on that mountain. "I may as well wave a sign that says 'Gandalf is here!' to anyone who can see it" to paraphrase what he says to the others regarding him using his magic to light the fire. And powerful, flashy effects are pretty much what Sauron was looking for in his search for the Ring.
Yep, Sauron was looking for a rival or burgeoning enemy to crush and dominate, Saruman was looking to pull off a terrorist coup by any means necessary, and Gandalf was wise enough to misdirect and outplay them both even before he knew Saruman had fallen to evil schemes@@bluesbest1
for sure. Gandalf in essence is meant to be a guide for men. That's his duty as a maiar, not to be a great warrior and fight their battles but to show them the way.
Yeah didnt Sauron assume the ring was with gandalf for a long time?
This is not only a great rundown of Gandalf’s skills, but a brilliant character study! Probably the most accurate and easy to understand analysis of Gandalf I’ve seen! It’s amazing how much his humility shaped his personality and actions, and therefore shaped the history of middle earth.
If I remember correctly, there are writings that say that Gandalf and the other Istari were forbidden from displaying their full power to the inhabitants of Middle Earth, or from matching Sauron's power with their own. One could also argue that being confined to a mortal body would also temper what power he could bring to bear.
I might be wrong on this, but i belive its all the ainur were forbidden from direct involvement after the breaking of belariand. Such devestation that brought was unacceptable. The valar and co were forbidden from direct involvement to avoid such future catastrophe, and the istari were sent in weaker bodies, with much of their memory and power diminished and in the bodies of old men to help guide the people of middle earth to their own success. At the critical moment, gandalf was sent back with a bit more of his original self to see it done, but again not to directly oppose sauron.
Which is to say, i think you're right, but it wasn't just the wizards but all the godly types.
@@jackpowell9276 You aren't wrong....but I would add that the restriction was self-imposed. Eru didn't seem to provide any say in the matter. Also....the decision was due more to "simply" just the breaking of Beleriand. Manwe finally processed by the end of the 2nd Age that much of the destruction, misery, et al was indirectly caused by their direct involvement and that Elves and Men had to stand on their own and figure it out for themselves. In other words...trying to force The Free People's into picking sides ended in disaster after disaster.
Yes; and, further, that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely ~ only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
@@ashleybies1694Exactly💜
I'd argue that's the central theme of LotR, even above the values of hope, friendship, compassion, and strength through diversity against oppression.
Power Corrupts. It's evident in every corner of the story
Yes, in the appendix it says of the Istari "they were forbidden to match his (i.e. Sauron's) power with power, or to seek to dominate Elves or Men by force and fear."
The majesty of Gandalf is that despite the great power he holds, he uses the least amount of magic necessary to accomplish whatever task needs to be accomplished.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
"Then we must do without hope," is such a simple yet powerful line
"there is always vengeance" completes the phrase and makes it even more powerful...
@@JoeFulano What completed the message was upon his return, Aragorn said "Beyond all hope you return to us..or something similar"
I'll always admire how Tolkien was the first to develop a lot of these tropes, and did it with so much nuance and restraint that it still holds up almost a century later.
I've always been fascinated with Gandalf as a character who was indeed a powerful wizard, but whose brains, diplomatic skills, and simply acting as a go between, are far more consequential than whatever powers he has. That who he was rather than what he was, was more important.
Given most Dark Lord types appear to be tremendous organisers for their evil empires regardless of magical power etc, the same may be true of them!
Seems like a pretty clear Arthurian analogue. Merlin plays a very similar role in the Matter of Britain. Which is cool.
I agree with the first, and have the following to add; and disagree with the second, for the following reason -
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
{thus, Gandalf’s role of providing wisdom and truth to power but not holding power himself contrasts diametrically with both dark and light power holders and most wielders ~ particularly Maiar who have either long ago fallen to holding power (Sauron) or recently done so (Sauruman)}
Your breakdown reminds me of one of the best lines from Futurama- “When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.”
The most selfless magic he did was make the beer extra good for 7 years.
I wonder what the inn-goers thought after the 7 years was up...
"Ah, yes, I remember the good stuff...3023, 3024, I think, was the last of it. What I wouldn't give for a pint of 3024!"
And then, through no fault of his own, in year 8, everyone will think he's watering his beer, and he'll go under.
@@jasonwarren9279 debatable. He always seemed like a man with a plan!
Not sure making the beer good at your favourite pub counts as selfless.
Real Wedding at Cana moment
I really like the commentators on IDG's videos! Y'all are much more civil, pleasant and thoughtful than on most RUclips channels.
Let's not forget the words of "guard and guiding" Gandalf laid upon Bill the Pony when they had to cut him loose at the entrance to Moria. For some reason, this has always charmed me the most, of all the magical things Gandalf did in the books.
And, Bill the Pony made it safely back to Bree in spite of the wolves 🙂
“Fly, you foal!”
"You are a wise beast, and have learned much in Rivendell. Make your ways to places where you can find grass, and so come in time to Elrond’s house, or wherever you wish to go." Gandalf had Bill's back, and Bill arrived safe in Bree after 300 miles of travel. After Sam came back to Bree, Butterbur had Bill and gave him back, and they stayed together for the rest of the pony's life.
Nice. Funny, this kind of "horse magic" is also the first magic that Rand ever uses in the Wheel of Time.
Great video.
I appreciate the acknowledgement of Gandalfs humility and self control.
Rare traits these days
Humbleness is great explanation for why he doesn’t do a lot of magic. On the other hand, I have always assumed that he didn’t do it a lot because he doesn’t have “infinite” magic. Similar to how Melkor and Sauron were diminished over time by their deeds because so much of their essence went into their manipulation of Arda using magic.
Thats a good point.
Throughout all Tolkiens writings, he explains how generations before were stronger then today. A lot stronger.
Maybe that applies to magic users over time also. They use it all up eventually.
Saruman retained his voice tho....which was a bit of a curveball when first reading the books after Gandalf snapped his staff and banished him from the Istari Order
I always felt that Gandalf's magic was more passive and pervasive, more like a continuous area-of-effect buff for the party than anything direct; he mainly serves as a guide and advisor, leaving most of the overt decision-making to Aragorn or Frodo. When he returns as the White, he becomes more direct in his own actions then, but still he maintains those same roles, albeit with more authority to his station than previously afforded him.
He also buffs himself for melee combat.
@@SwiftbowGolden Vow....
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Look at the immense destruction wrought upon Beleriand when the Valar decided to take the fight to Morgoth ... They figured that using their full power and military might would devastate what was left of Middle Earth.
So it was time for the "subtle plan". Send some Maiar with a serious limiter on their power and help the free people defeat Sauron. And when he died, the Valar allowed Gandalf not just to go back since he seemed to be the only one who had stuck to the original plan and had at least achieved something, but also to take at least one glove for the upcoming fight.
@@rotwang2000 what about the other Istari? The Blue Wizards and Radagast...I sincerely hope Radagast was allowed in? Purely because he cared and protected the animals of Middle Earths forests...
I think we simply don't know what Gandalf would ultimately have been capable of. We never saw the extent of his powers, because he didn't use them, and he didn't use them because he didn't need to. Not only because he was humble and not flashy, but also because he wasn't power orientated. He didn't desire power, or the use of it. He used his power precisely when he needed to.
...except maybe when he showed off to Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas when appearing as Gandalf the White. Though I suspect that was more down to Tolkien's flair for drama 😂
The fireworks, smoke rings and foaming horses were also not for vainglorious flashiness or an exercise of power. Gandalf did that kind of stuff because wanted to delight, play and inspire. He was someone who loved play, pleasure, hope and all those good things in life. He didn't exist to fight Sauron and destroy evil. He existed to protect goodness, to inspire the free peoples of middle earth. Joy and hope were very important to him.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
I always felt that when Gandalf fought, mortals would perceive the fight in the physical realm, whereas there was actually a magical fight going on in a magical realm which was not perceptible by mortals.
There certainly was something hidden going on. When Saruman imprisoned Gandalf, they both seemed able to assess their relative powers, with each understanding, without a fight or outward struggle, that Saruman was the stronger wizard. I mean, what were they seeing then? What did they sense with such clarity? Glorfindel, too, had hidden powers that the dark riders clearly feared, though outwardly merely a swordsman. Aragorn too. Remember how his stern gaze so deeply frightened the Mouth of Sauron? Tolkien clearly didn't feel compelled to reveal everything about everyone, or show all his cards. Power in Tolkien's world is, to a degree, directly perceived by the great, but is mostly hidden from us, expressed primarily as a vibe we sense through subtle hints.
Man being stoned, and reading these comments are awesome lol
@@SoBilliardsholy shit bro I’m doing this right now
Well battles between maia/valar were strictly spiritual until Tulkas descended...Man's introduced whoopass to Arda and melkor was the first recipient
@@polarvortex3294 i always thought the battle beetween saroman and gandalf in the orthanc was looking more like a staring contest to bistanders than we saw in the movie.
I doubt breaking Saruman's staff was telekinetic. I have always understood that to be Olórin's proven Righteousness and new Authority. The staff broke on Gandalf's word alone. Because he was given Judgement over Curumo/Curumir, who had rejected his Mercy.
I agree. Not telekinesis but a word of command. Gandalf speaks and those things happen for the most part. The door spell he uses in Moira is similar. (Not the one to open it but to close it) He commands the door and it obeys.
@@Loreweavver It happens in other places too: "You cannot pass" and indeed the Balrog could not. In the books (unlike the films) Gandalf soundly rebuffs the Witch King by telling him that "you cannot enter". And then the Witch King can indeed not enter and eventually leaves to do something else. Sarumans staff is the same: he says "your staff is broken" and now it is. I think this type of magic is pretty cool and ties in really well with the Ainur literally singing the world into being. Their words are literally what reality is made of.
@@wanderhillen2435 This is a key thing about how magic works in the Tolkienian world - speaking things into existence. It ties in with the Christian theological strand which was a big element in JRRT's influences. Think the start of Genesis where God speaks the universe into existence, or Jesus simply says the word and miracles happen.
Much of the rest of the "magic" could be described as boosted psychology - Gandalf supercharging people's mental states or overawing them, Saruman befuddling his listeners, Sauron spreading doubt and despair. Still powerful, probably more so than the more traditionally fantasy-magical "spells" to close doors and the like. This, I think, lines up with the livt versus dark theme of Middle Earth. Characters can use those forces to enhance their own abilities to charm or terrify. Plus using props like glowing swords, oceans of thick darkness or the Phial of Galariel (which causes a humble hobbit gardener to be perceived as a fearsome elven warrior).
That's so accurate, thx for your comment!
@@Ulfcytel Consider the first verse of John in the Bible, which Tolkien would have known well: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In this instance, "the Word" is a synonym for Jesus, but it is apparent that Tolkien put great store of power in words in his tale, as well as how the servants of Eru used words and song as manifestations of His and their power.
Your videos/talks are always well documented, well versed, and well written. You will have my ears for the years to come
I get the feeling that a lot of Gandalf's "combat" magic involves breaking enemy morale in various ways. Even the nasgul often break and flee when he casts a spell at them. So perhaps he didn't cast a fireball at them-instead he cast a spell that broke their spirits and sent them scurrying away, a bit like Turn Undead in dnd but way way stronger.
As well as lighting a fire in the hearts of those around him, which i think was from the ring, giving courage and heart against the fear and dark.
One of the few times and I don't think it was mentioned in the video was he cast a spell on a door to keep it sealed when the Balrog was first chasing them. He mentions that it took "all of his ability and focus and he needed time to recover". I believe this only happens in the books if memory serves.
Let be real though he also was able to easily solo Aragon,Gimli, and Legolas. Pretty safe to say that he could take almost anyone 1 v 1 with the exception of sauron.
@@sammycakes8778 I mean, as Gandalf the grey he caused all 9 nazgul, while mounted on fell beasts, to break and flee in terror at weathertop. Ofc he could take the 3 hunters as Gandalf the white. He probably could take all of them without even expending meaningful effort to do so even while they gave it their all, which I do not mean to sell the 3 short. They're some of the mightiest individual warriors in middle earth at the time and Gandalf no-sells them. Really makes you understand that he's effectively a divine being and functionally untouchable by mere mortals.
@@davidthomas2870 That's not quite right for Weathertop (I just reread it). He held them off (and was sorely tested) until sunrise, when they retreated because their power is weakened in the daytime. He then fled north himself in the hopes they'd chase him and move away from the Hobbits.
This sort of worked... four of them followed Gandalf for most of the day while the other five continued east. But the four following Gandalf realized he was leading them astray and returned to the chase... he wasn't their primary target.
Gandalf the White was able to command significantly more power against them... he drove them off even while riding MUCH more formidable mounts. Though, again... he caught them during daytime.
You do have to remember... Gandalf is incredibly power and skilled. But his body is still a human body. He CAN die... even to an orc if he was caught unawares. (Though that's a very unlikely supposition.)
Fantastic analysis. I had never really considered how humble Gandolf was with his magic.
He single handedly defeated a balrog….and did it without access to his full powers.
Well, it was a double kill. If not for his 1UP it'd have been game over.
Well done with this, didn’t expect it to be much more than the usual ‘how powerful’ videos you see but wasn’t like that at all. Some really nice insights into the subtleties of his abilities and how magical themes that define how Gandalf operates runs through the stories. Great job!
One of my favorite characters in the story. Plus the actor playing the character is the perfect person for the role
The LOTR is very much a story about recognizing that the renunciation of power can be a profound virtue, accomplishing good in a way that wielding power could not. In one of your earlier videos, on the LOTR from Sauron's perspective, you explain how Sauron's Achilles heal was that he couldn't conceive of someone not only not wanting to wield the power of the one ring, but of actually wanting to destroy it rather than wield it. Gandalf's caution with his own power (and his refusal to carry the ring) is the positive counterpart to this-even in the hands of someone (or some spirit) who is good, great power is dangerous. Even in battle, Gandalf avoids using his power to destroy his enemies, at least those less powerful than him (like the nazgul); he instead uses just enough power to drive them away, essentially giving them a second chance to consider the path they have chosen. Even against his near-equal, Saruman, he holds back from destruction. It's only against the balrog and Sauron (fellow Maiar, though "fellow" must be used losely here!) that we see him act to destroy. It's hard not to see Tolkien's Catholicism reflected in this choice of theme, that there is strength in weakness (even if Catholicism in practice has often abandoned humility and misused power). -Tom
Interesting analysis
Gandald magic is more subtle than what we see in other franchises. But for the people paying attention to details his power was alway massiv.
For me his most outstanding capability was the ability to give others hope. Leaders like this changed the world for the better many times. And that is also true in the real world.
the thing in Moria where he talks about "spells" and "counterspells" and "words of command" implies that he has a whole catalogue .
A few days before, when standing in front of a certain closed door, he goes into his "palace of the mind" to recall the opening words. Because he once knew every spell known to the free folk of the world. His catalogue is probably about as extensive as Wikipedia's.
I recall an old article in Dragon, the D&D magazine, titled "Gandalf Was a 4th level Magicuser" but that put him in the game's context where magic is incredibly common.
I remember that as well. My reaction was that the author didn't really understand Gandalf.
@@istari0definitely did not understand Gandalf, no 4th level mage is going to kill a balor, they're only going to die.
Same. And in fact, Gandalf DID use fireballs, but only when necessary--he cast them using pine cones as a material component in The Hobbit. He cast flame arrow on one of Legolas' shots that went through the throat of a warg leader in Eregion. He used some kind of fire/lightning/light magic while fighting the nazgul on Weathertop. He used lightning on the peak of Zirak-Zigil during the battle with the balrog, as it sure didn't come from the balrog! Tolkien just didn't give us the details, but Gandalf was the epitome of restraint and economic use of his magic powers...but he did have quite a few spells. I figure he used a lot of spells that were, as mentioned, not flashy, that effectively were cleric spells rather than mage spells, since Gandalf very much functioned with divine power through Iluvatar...probably the equivalent of bless and other buff, resistance, and fortification spells that allowed his allies to make their saving throws and caused his enemies to fail theirs!
11:02 - LOVE that artwork!
This is an excellent video that accurately summarizes how powerful Gandalf truly is along with why he does not openly display his power often.
I think Tolkien saw Gandalf as more as guide rather than a super powerful hero, this allowed for mortals to path their own way and although we see Gandalf do some awesome things, it was never seen as outrageous, this is excellent world building for other characters to excel in their own ways. This in turn made the Balrog fight even more impressive.
I read some comments and found out that the Itari (which is a I guess a type of Demigod) are sent not to completely harm in people of Middle Earth, but to guide them. Pretty cool
4:00 Imagine being told by your leader: “We have to do without hope.” Simultaneously chilling and oddly inspiring to carry on. That’s a natural leader!
Well done, Geek. Something important to mention here is that there's a lot of "magic inflation" out there nowadays. People expect incredible, giant displays of magic. They expect to see lots of it. This lowers the value of magic and makes it less special. Tolkien had this figured out with his writings and work. Whenever you see a hint of magic in Tolkien literature, you're always left with a sense of wonder, in part due to its limited usage, but also due to the lack of full explanations. It leaves the reader's mind to wander a bit, and that inspires imagination. This is precisely what's lacking nowadays due to instant gratification culture.
I think that's more due to the roles of the magic being different in other stories. Lord of the rings was trying to emulate the feeling of a lot of ancient legends where stuff like causing some guys farm land to rot would be a incredibly powerful use of magic or having a extra sharp sword. But in the modern day when we have stuff like Nuclear weapons and other things of that nature stuff like that doesn't really hit as strong. So the super flashy magic I feel tends to be trying to get passed that feeling by making the magic blatantly powerful. Not really worse I think than Tolkien but far different in story design.
And yet, this is exactly why young me couldn't finish the Wheel of Time books. Hundreds and hundreds of pages of (to my young mind) boring politics and love and bickering, with one big flash at the end of something special to entice you into the next book.
I have no doubt that there are many levels of depth to them and that I was (am?) uncultured swine, but the fact if the matter is, I went back to Death Gate Cycle, Dragon Lance and Rogue Squadron.
Tolkien's magic was different though. It wasn't just rare, it felt ever-present but restrained intentionally by characters (esp. Gandalf) so that other characters could shine! I did like LOTR as a teen!
But Lord knows I almost didn't make it past Bombadil, haha!
@@WarttHog What might be missing in Wheel of Time and not missing in LOTR is simply the love and awe Tolkien felt himself. He and Lewis loved their worlds to pieces, built them on their innermost feelings, their loveliest moments and most horrible war experiences, and were in awe of old myths and stories. That's a powerful ingredient. I haven't read Wheel of Time, but I suppose if it lacks both magic AND love and awe, it's understandable that it was hard to read.
@@martavdz4972 yeah, that could be part of it. I have no doubt Robert Jordan loved his series as well or he wouldn't have made it through like 10 books at a thousand pages each! (Forgive me RUclips comments if I'm misremembering!) But it could have been more a love of the characters, the problems they overcome, even the process of writing, as opposed to a love of existing in the world themselves.
However, I strongly suspect it was more likely that I was a male young adult with ADHD and didn't have much patience for reading unless stuff was frequently blowing up. XD To be honest I loved Star Wars: Rogue Squadron much more than LOTR, though even at the time I had no doubt that LOTR was a much deeper world.
I’m new to lotr lore but hearing Gandalf have that ring with the ability to encourage his allies is super dope!
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." Futurama. Your video reminded me of the god in "Godfellas" and this quote at the end of the episode
I LOVE this video. I have always been fascinated with the way Tolkien writes about Gandalf’s magic. You did a great job analyzing it.
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The beautiful thing about this power, is that we all have it inside of us. If we have the proper character and carry ourselves in a good way, we too can bring hope and courage to others
0:56 He absolutely throws fireballs at the Nazgûl! In the fellowship he fights all 9 on top of Weathertop. Aragorn and the hobbits can see the flashes of fire and lightning from miles away.
It was Gandalf's collection of knowledge that I felt the books tried to impress upon the reader. Such dialog as "I once knew every spell in the tongues of elves, men or orcs. I can recall half of them without searching my memory." (prob not a verbatim quote) and such scenes as his poring over documents in search of the scroll of Isuldur, were testament of this to me. An immortal being that spent the majority of his existence upon Middle Earth in study either from books or first-hand investigation. Remember also at the end of the Return of the King when the White Council was still together on the road back to Rivendell and The Shire, how it described the council in silent conclave, sending thoughts from mind to mind. At one point, Sauron himself fled from Gandalf when he was masquerading as The Necromancer. Had this been more intently covered in the text it probably would have lent a lot of creedence to Gandalf's strength.
Sauron (The Necromancer) fled from the White Council, not just Gandalf. That was the combined force of Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Elrond, and Galadriel. (And possibly some other powerful elves.)
@@Swiftbow Celeborn was also a member of the White Council, so yeah, that was a pretty hefty lineup for a weaker Sauron to face.
@@rikk319He wasn't necessarily weaker personally. He just wasn't ready to squander his as yet limited military resources in an all-out brawl just yet.
Excellent video as always, Robert. Cheers!
12:15 “Uncle Ben said it… the day he died”
i am so happy i stumbled upon your channel. i read Mr. Tolkien's books when i was in my early teens and when i finished the last book i'm not ashamed to say i cried because i knew there would be no more. you have made me want to go back and read them all again. Subscribed and Thank you for making this content
Gandalf saves his power for that which truly needs it the most. The utmost of his power is seen in his fight with the Balrog. His abilities with fire are probably what kept him in the battle long enough to win it though he had to die as well in the process. The movie showed his best as he was pulling down lightning and blasting it through Glamdring to deal the final blow. And that battle went on for several days with fire and lightning all over the mountaintop.
I've been binge watching/listening to your videos for the past few days. Just wonderful. Congratulations. If you ever did one of those Audio Book things. I'd absolutely listen to it.
I think there was always a firmly restrained power to Gandalf. His biggest 'power' though to have the humility to reach out, form relationships and build trust with the various people he encountered over his travels. Those relationships paid off as he was able to guide and leverage their efforts towards greater goals.
I really enjoy your whole style of presentation, Robert.
He is assigned the task of rallying the forces of good against the evils of Sauron, so it seems natural that he influence and inspire, not just confront Sauron directly himself.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Once again, great episode! Thanks for sharing.
0:23 never seen this feature before? The Subscribe button luminate when he says it|s "name"
it’s amazing how alive and real these worlds are, my imagination can just run ramped with scenes, i truly am so obsessed with tolkiens mind
Seven years later... "aww man, the beer tastes crap again"
Gandalf, an angelic being with some measure of control over the fabric of reality has all the incredible power of a flashlight, fire starting kit, and being fun to hang out with
Viewing Gandalf's acts of magic collectively (as in the video), rather than threaded throughout the LoTR, really demonstrates the breadth of his magical powers and his wisdom in applying them based on the parameters set for him. I also appreciate that Gandalf used magic artistically (and sparingly), for his own pleasure as in the instances of his fireworks displays in the shire, blowing smoke rings and even adding the horses to the flood of the Bruinen unleashed by Elrond. Unless it is indicated otherwise, this didn't seem necessary to destroy the Nazgul, but may have provided courage to those who witnessed it.
It's rather specific that the horses were entirely unnecessary. Gandalf added them for the cool effect. (He did not use that term, of course.) It's similar to his use of fireworks... he loves showing off in ways that make people happy. (And, like you said... this helps make them more hopeful and courageous.)
I just found your channel and these are such nice videos, super calming to listen to, I could just fall asleep to these (in a good way not a boring way haha).
And, that was his greatest power. His wisdom.👍👍
Wisdom, to eschew power, particularly
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
I'm pretty sure he teleported to get back to Bilbo's house before him after he disappeared on his birthday
yeah
Gandalf is a very powerful wizard that doesn't want to show flashy tricks and spells, instead just making sure everytime he use his magical power it's going to be effective and nothing will be of waste. He doesn't want enemies to know how powerful he is so they can't gauge him or predict his next move. He plays mind chess and chooses the best move available every single time. Showing off is a thing for weaker beings.
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
The graphic at 8:19 is wrong because it includes Narnia. Narnia isn't "a later franchise". It was published at the same time as LOTR.
"Ok, im going to bed" (This video drops) FUUUUUCK!!!! I NEED TO KNOW!!!
Right?
4:04 Gandalf *does* get weary. When they meet the Balrog in Moria, the text reads: "'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.' "
Or the “healing” magic he used when freeing Theoden.
In Deep Geek, Thank you for the joy you bring in making these videos and showing us the hidden lore and thoughts of the community and Tolkien himself. Your videos rekindle my heart in a world that grows chill. Thank you.
You might consider adding Ursula K. Le Guin's *Earthsea* series to your analysis and overviews.
Yea, I’ve long wished for this other great fantasy world (and perhaps only other great fantasy story and source of wisdom) to be covered in depth as well
According to what I understand, Gandalf the Gray is quite powerful. But Gandalf the White is more powerful still. But it makes me rather sad to see him go in the end. You know a character is well written when you miss them when they are not there anymore. I will always love and miss Gandalf
Thanks so much ! I had requested a video on how powerful is Sauron (without the orc army, without Saruman, without the Nazgul, just by himself in the 3rd age). Though this video isn’t that it gives a great hint to my curiosity! Hope to see that video explanation soon one day :)
Thanks! I love your work !
Didn't Gandalf also dislike using magic because it would show others (like maybe other Maiar like Saruman) exactly where he was? I think he says something like this in the books.
He references this when he uses magic to light the fire in the blizzard on Caradhras. Basically saying that if anyone saw that they will know he was there
@indeepgeek would you 🙏 please make podcast version of your playlists. Your story telling style and voice is the best in class. I love to keep them offline in podcast apps and listen to them many times.
Gandalf has the power of restraint. Also, I got the impression in all the writing of the cost of using power. Morgoth is most powerful, but as time goes on and he pours more and more of himself into his corrupted creatures and the corrupting of the world he diminishes. He unleashes all he has twisted in the final battle of the first age but when it is all done he's cowering in deepest pit. He never even comes out of fight. All the great objects of the story are made once and can never be made again. Simarils, the Two Trees all max effort accomplishments that the creators admit, (I poured all I had into it, it can be done again)
FINALLY! I have had this question every time I binge watch LotR and Hobbit.
Nobody beats Gandalf in a rap battle... NOBODY!!!
Beautiful explanation, thanks!
Gandalf is so powerful, he leveled up (with a little help from Eru Iluvatar).
Don't forget: He has his native powers as a Maia and also bears a Ring of Power.
Re: Being a Battle Mage. He offed a Balrog. That's no small feat.
Balrog’s slew pretty much all of the High Kings of the Noldor and even Fëanor himself so that should tell you something.
Did Gandalf need to eat to survive?
Definitely needed tobacco.
Great video, really like your narration. But one correction. The fact he was a maia was not the reason he was sent back to ME. Glorfindel and Beren also returned from Mandos
6:44 he tells frodo he knew what happened by listening to frodo talk in his sleep
I named my precious -kittie Maia as soon as I knew she was coming home with me last year.
Now, I have expanded her name to Maia Melian. Inspired by Tolkien's books.
A very wise sage once stated via his 'Spider-proxy' that 'with great power comes great responsibility'. Indeed.
People often forget that the most important part of the word "wizard" is "wisdom."
Yes ~ to concentrate power and control would be to fall, whether in defeat or in victory (and thus create a new Dark Lord on the same throne of controlling destruction)
Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
I remember in the Fellowship of The Ring movie when Gandalf fell into the abyss with the Balrog, everyone thought he died and cried, BUT Legolas looked paralysed and confused which seems strange to me and I thought he must be bad at acting. After reading Tolkien books and lore, I finally understand that Legolas looked stunned because to him Gandalf dying is like witnessing a God dying which is unheard of.
Thank you for such great entertainment and info, Robert. 🙏🏻☝🏽
I do love how unique Tolkien’s approach is to the use of magic. So many modern shows have huge shows and extravagant uses of it, but he kept it rather mysterious and low key. Almost like the showiness really isn’t the most powerful uses of it
That was interesting and very insightful. Subscribed!
Tolkien always valued subtlety. I think it gave his writings a beautiful maturity and restraint, on top of the beautiful human wisdom therein. Gandalf is a prime example of that. Unlike the more "obvious" and "flashy" fantasy like GOT, or the more weak minded HP, Tolkien's fantasy will age gracefully with you and will keep speaking to you throughout the years.
Tell me you haven't read ASoIaF without telling me you haven't read AsoIaF. Harry Potter is an entirely different style of fantasy so the comparison is less than apt.
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Fundamentally, the wisdom woven throughout this (my natal, formative, and favorite) story (of hope and transformation), and that Gandalf (and Faramir) embodies as a positives example, is ~ that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; only through eschewing power could the mighty give aid and remain true; and only through turning away from and relinquishing power could hope be kindled and prevail.
Incidentally, that's one of the things the movie trilogy always got wrong about this saga: subtlety.
I.e. Tolkien wrote of how Wormtongue's discouraging words "poisoned and weakened the mind" of King Theoden and how Gandalf reverted that... And the movie makes it look like a literal exorcism.
awesome revision good stuff as usual
GOOSEBUMPS DURING THE EXPLANATIONS OF SUCH A HUMBLE AND THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO WIZARDRY! HE WAS THE HOPE OF MIDDLE-EARTH!❤
I‘d love a video about the Balrog‘s role in the story!
I love this experiencing also that while reading the books I also felt a loss of hope when Gandalf wasn't in the main story.