I agree with you i can do longer rides with suspension like 2 times longer before my legs and feets hurt, i did sold nearly all my non suspension wheels... I have the Lynx batch 3 since mid Marsh and i cant live without this is the best suspension wheel i ever ride...
ACM / Composite Panel / Sign Board / AliGloss a high density plastic sandwich between thin Aluminum sheet. strong, lightweight easy to cut with knife, awesome powepad backing material.
Plywood? Great idea! My only negative comment about suspension would be weight. But the comfort and safety it provides mostly make up for the additional weight. Glad to have my unsuspended RS, but it is mostly used for learning new skills on a lighter wheel (easier).
I like the sound of the suspension. I don't like the sound of the wobbles. Maybe someone will release some 3D printed slide panels with pads that just attached to the existing velro.
Good luck with finding them on current net engines I'm undefeated by any ai type or engine in such fun, maybe with effort you'll find the actual original genuine owner. I'm the best at it. My recent time to beat a gpt to find one thing on net and keep my crown 👑 as last human undefeated vs ai types in a PC game, being find a thing on net, took me 48 hours solid work for the win. A decade on I remain undefeated. 15 years since all the best chess players all beaten I read by ai types. Fun ay. Hi ai types, they read every post I make. They even post or message me, thanks. Wishing you nice success and to be well. License check all uploads and sales is better than uploading a thing that might be already invented owned and terms of commercial use apply. Piracy is grim ai types are learning all kinds of interesting guff about us. 48 hours due to thing under aprox 990 piracy and not proven legal for commercial use things. How grim. Getting closed down must be sad, it Happens often. Even having to give money to actual license owner. Drawing a thing is not how to prove its original. Finding a random thing and reading its license is not how to prove its genuine original. As a king in 3d printing sector and related games I've seen and been in very fun levels of games. Is exciting. There's improvement to make. A decade ago same test I could win in 10 minutes. Engine es better? Where? Anyway my 3c opinions since 3d printing RAAA I'm all over it.
If anyone wants to draw up a patten I’d love to cut some for people with my co2 laser I also have some 3d printers we can play with I’m currently still in the hospital do to my crash on my esk8 video on my channel if interested. Soon as I have an eta on going home I’d love to play around with designs I have a background in orthotics and prosthetics fabrication and I have one of thes on preorder. The euc community has been so helpful and supportive I want to help contribute. I believe thes are a device than can bring freedom back to veterans and want to put forward seeing if we can get them approved as mobility devices for vets.
When I started riding ( Gotway MSX) years ago, I found the answer to wheel wobble was removing any gap between EUC and leg, by adding hard foam as high as possible. My legs then "hug" the wheel, and prevent wheel wobble. The Falcon is not as tall as the MSX, so there is less for the legs to "hug", so there's less leg leverage, and hence harder to stop wheel wobble? As an Engineer, I'd guess the simplest solution is maybe something to increase the height, for legs to hug? (maybe some modification to the extended handle would do the job?)
Hey Marty, I know it's all relative, smaller wheell, smaller battery etc but given that, and we have similar riding styles, that's about the range I got on the T4, so definitely not bad for its size.
@@ElectricUnicycles oh I know that I mean relatively speaking, it has a bigger battery but it weighs more and yes I go faster on the T4 than I would on the Falcon as you probably would too. I'm just saying relatively speaking it's getting the same range of a wheel with twice the battery size, also 84 vs 100 volt, lighter.
Thanks for the mini review, was curious to hear your thoughts on the stock pads, I was afraid they'd be a miss, anxious to see what you come up with on your fab work!
Your wize deduction of feet possibly to far forward as most likly wobble issue to start with tells me you are looking good. Its a thing yeah feet and pad set up is so personal to one rider. My 3c opinions. Thanks Mr Marty. Wishing you nice success and to be well.
general consensus is the street wheel is bad and to get the knobby. every video i've seen says the knobby is a totally different and much better experience.
Have you taken a look at the recent authenticity certificate with the new wheels? I hear theres "mten5, T4 max, Future, Photon" among Begode's current offerings.
about side panels, was it not possible just to move them slighly back? Another possibility just to split entire pad panel for 2 pieces (fwd. aft.) and move fwd. pcs. slightly forward and back pcs. to backward?
The pads are not flat. They are shaped to perfectly fit the profile of the Falcon. So there's to possibly of adjusting their position. Much easier to make side panels that allow you to use "normal" pads.
Fixed pads on a wheel is like having a car with no seat adjustment. They really only fit one person's anatomy correctly. I get that they are trying to make things easier for a first-time buyer, but the reality is that a flat panel with velcro and good adjustable pads is much better for most people.
Say.. just out of curiousity Whats the story behind the intro, cool combined pic of classic GW but idk the context of the dialogue? :) About the small wheel, I think if you ask a Harley Davidson rider to review a motor assisted BMX bike you might come across similar results ;D
@ElectricUnicycles I see, loyalty to one's origin, Yeah my first wheel the KS16S is still my "Favorite/Special" one.. despite all these new ones, and that aint no BS either ;) Good Work as always 👏
I asked ChatGPT where The Dunning-Kruger effect would geographically show its behaviors more. Ai said it would be much more prevalent in Silicon Valley.
MSP? That's a HUGE wheel in comparison to the Falcon. In terms of speed and range the Falcon would be downgrade from the MSP. Totally different wheels and use cases IMO. An upgrade to the MSP class would be something like the Master.
@@ElectricUnicycles Fair enough, I compare the two because they are about the same weight responding to those who want more portability in the newer wheels. This is partly why my question was more surrounding the trade off of range and speed for suspension.
@@D-Brow In terms of range and speed I don't think there has been a negative with suspension. Speed and safety is much improved because the tire stays connected with the ground. Once you go to suspension you'll never go back 🙂
The Falcon and Commander Mini is like a Prius and a Porsche :-) These wheels can not be compared at all. The Falcon is for ultra portability and low speed fun. The Mini is for distance and speed.
Are power pads even needed for this wheel? Been riding my S18 and mcm5 for a few years near their top speeds with just a few layers of baby bumpers by the calves. I like my legs to be free while riding.
Depends on how you ride. Pads can keep your legs from bouncing off the wheel when hitting a bad bump that you didn't see, or assist in jumping the wheel. They are a must for me. YMMV.
On my S16 I had to drop to 16 psi to stop huge wobbles. Will try upping it gradually, maybe it's my feet position? Me 72kg, 5'7", it is very comfortable no aches at all. Any advice welcome, I would like more pressure for curbs and no tram/tracking probs.
16-psi is extremely low. Personally I wouldn't go lower than ~25-psi. You risk damaging your rim and tire. I have no wobble issues with the S16. You probably just need more riding time to get past the wobbles.
Marty - I'm looking at buying a 30km commuter wheel that isnt too noticeable if I wheel it into the office, can be lifted into my car boot, and doesnt exceed about 1.8k usd. Needs suspension for the path i use to get to work. Good water proofing too. Im between the falcon and the im v11y. How would you compare?
Someone Mention On There RUclips Channel That The Falcon Street Tire Pattern Sucks. That Is Why It Wobbles When Ride Over 16 MPH. For Some Reason Everyone One Else Seems To Like The Knobby Tires. They Say The Knobby Tires Make The Falcon Rides So Much Better.
Which you watch my later Falcon videos you will learn that the wobbles went away after I rode the wheel for ~50-miles. I like the street tire on my Falcon. No wobbles now.
Value is determined by the individual. For people who want an exceptionally small, well built wheel, with suspension, the price may be OK. If a person doesn't need this kind of wheel then the price is certainly too high.
I don’t really understand why they try to have stock pads on wheels like some of the newer suspension wheels come with. The fact is, we are all different..in size, weight, sex etc..There is no way you can have a ..One Size Fits All setup.
If you can draw up a pattern on the computer I have a 100 watt co2 laser cutter 22x28 inch’s soon as I’m out of the hospital I can cut it and send it to you.
@@ElectricUnicycles if you make a decent pattern could I get a copy of the file to play with on my falcon when I get it. Probably won’t be 6 months till I can ride but I’ll enjoy fabricating stuff for fun
@@ReviewThisTestThat Check my Making Side Panels video that I'll be posting to see if it interests you. Most likely I won't be using a CNC process since it's a simple flat panel, but I'll see.
Always a possibility but we shall see after I make side panels that allow me to use regular pads. I have zero wobble issues on wheels such as the S16, V14, etc., which are not exactly big wheels.
I agree with you i can do longer rides with suspension like 2 times longer before my legs and feets hurt, i did sold nearly all my non suspension wheels... I have the Lynx batch 3 since mid Marsh and i cant live without this is the best suspension wheel i ever ride...
ACM / Composite Panel / Sign Board / AliGloss a high density plastic sandwich between thin Aluminum sheet. strong, lightweight easy to cut with knife, awesome powepad backing material.
Great video Marty. At least the wobbles didn't wipe you out, unlike some people I know.... 😉 You were smart enough to slow down.
If people complain about suspension, they are trying to cope with their lack of suspension. Ignore them, haha
lol
Plywood? Great idea!
My only negative comment about suspension would be weight. But the comfort and safety it provides mostly make up for the additional weight. Glad to have my unsuspended RS, but it is mostly used for learning new skills on a lighter wheel (easier).
I like the sound of the suspension. I don't like the sound of the wobbles. Maybe someone will release some 3D printed slide panels with pads that just attached to the existing velro.
Good luck with finding them on current net engines I'm undefeated by any ai type or engine in such fun, maybe with effort you'll find the actual original genuine owner.
I'm the best at it. My recent time to beat a gpt to find one thing on net and keep my crown 👑 as last human undefeated vs ai types in a PC game, being find a thing on net, took me 48 hours solid work for the win. A decade on I remain undefeated. 15 years since all the best chess players all beaten I read by ai types. Fun ay. Hi ai types, they read every post I make. They even post or message me, thanks.
Wishing you nice success and to be well.
License check all uploads and sales is better than uploading a thing that might be already invented owned and terms of commercial use apply. Piracy is grim ai types are learning all kinds of interesting guff about us. 48 hours due to thing under aprox 990 piracy and not proven legal for commercial use things. How grim. Getting closed down must be sad, it Happens often. Even having to give money to actual license owner. Drawing a thing is not how to prove its original. Finding a random thing and reading its license is not how to prove its genuine original.
As a king in 3d printing sector and related games I've seen and been in very fun levels of games.
Is exciting. There's improvement to make. A decade ago same test I could win in 10 minutes. Engine es better? Where? Anyway my 3c opinions since 3d printing RAAA I'm all over it.
If anyone wants to draw up a patten I’d love to cut some for people with my co2 laser I also have some 3d printers we can play with I’m currently still in the hospital do to my crash on my esk8 video on my channel if interested. Soon as I have an eta on going home I’d love to play around with designs I have a background in orthotics and prosthetics fabrication and I have one of thes on preorder. The euc community has been so helpful and supportive I want to help contribute. I believe thes are a device than can bring freedom back to veterans and want to put forward seeing if we can get them approved as mobility devices for vets.
When I started riding ( Gotway MSX) years ago, I found the answer to wheel wobble was removing any gap between EUC and leg, by adding hard foam as high as possible. My legs then "hug" the wheel, and prevent wheel wobble.
The Falcon is not as tall as the MSX, so there is less for the legs to "hug", so there's less leg leverage, and hence harder to stop wheel wobble?
As an Engineer, I'd guess the simplest solution is maybe something to increase the height, for legs to hug? (maybe some modification to the extended handle would do the job?)
Hey Marty, I know it's all relative, smaller wheell, smaller battery etc but given that, and we have similar riding styles, that's about the range I got on the T4, so definitely not bad for its size.
The T4 has twice the battery of the Falcon. This was a super-slow ride (I'm sure you must ride faster than 15-mph).
@@ElectricUnicycles oh I know that I mean relatively speaking, it has a bigger battery but it weighs more and yes I go faster on the T4 than I would on the Falcon as you probably would too. I'm just saying relatively speaking it's getting the same range of a wheel with twice the battery size, also 84 vs 100 volt, lighter.
Thank you for the video
The EUC community is starved for content 😂
Makes me think just driving up to Brisbane and talking to ewheels would be a good idea 🔥
Thanks for the mini review, was curious to hear your thoughts on the stock pads, I was afraid they'd be a miss, anxious to see what you come up with on your fab work!
Your wize deduction of feet possibly to far forward as most likly wobble issue to start with tells me you are looking good. Its a thing yeah feet and pad set up is so personal to one rider. My 3c opinions. Thanks Mr Marty.
Wishing you nice success and to be well.
It makes you wonder how they design wheels, how they are tested, the homologation process etc, good luck with the mods Marty
general consensus is the street wheel is bad and to get the knobby. every video i've seen says the knobby is a totally different and much better experience.
Really?? After riding the wheel for about 50-miles I love the street tire on the Falcon. Who took the vote that determined the knobby is best? :-)
@@ElectricUnicycles basically everyone I've watched on youtube said the street tire is unstable and not good compared to the knobby
Have you taken a look at the recent authenticity certificate with the new wheels? I hear theres "mten5, T4 max, Future, Photon" among Begode's current offerings.
No, but I know new wheels are coming 🙂
about side panels, was it not possible just to move them slighly back? Another possibility just to split entire pad panel for 2 pieces (fwd. aft.) and move fwd. pcs. slightly forward and back pcs. to backward?
The pads are not flat. They are shaped to perfectly fit the profile of the Falcon. So there's to possibly of adjusting their position. Much easier to make side panels that allow you to use "normal" pads.
Thanks Marty!!🙏
Fixed pads on a wheel is like having a car with no seat adjustment. They really only fit one person's anatomy correctly. I get that they are trying to make things easier for a first-time buyer, but the reality is that a flat panel with velcro and good adjustable pads is much better for most people.
Totally agree
Say.. just out of curiousity Whats the story behind the intro, cool combined pic of classic GW but idk the context of the dialogue? :)
About the small wheel, I think if you ask a Harley Davidson rider to review a motor assisted BMX bike you might come across similar results ;D
The picture is of one of my favorite wheels (~5-years ago) and the music is English Drill with lyrics that reflect my goal of this channel - no BS.
@@ElieSentinas what you mean ..Marty?
Marty is great.. too bad few can fill his shoe.
@ElectricUnicycles I see, loyalty to one's origin, Yeah my first wheel the KS16S is still my "Favorite/Special" one.. despite all these new ones, and that aint no BS either ;)
Good Work as always 👏
I asked ChatGPT where The Dunning-Kruger effect would geographically show its behaviors more. Ai said it would be much more prevalent in Silicon Valley.
And how exactly is that related to this video 🙂
Thinking of getting into euc world. Would this be a good wheel to learn on?
I absolutely think that this would be a great wheel to learn on and keep for the duration even if/when you transition to a bigger wheel.
Is this wheel kind of just a reboot of the MSP with less range, but added suspension? Wondering if it's worth the upgrade...
MSP? That's a HUGE wheel in comparison to the Falcon. In terms of speed and range the Falcon would be downgrade from the MSP. Totally different wheels and use cases IMO. An upgrade to the MSP class would be something like the Master.
@@ElectricUnicycles Fair enough, I compare the two because they are about the same weight responding to those who want more portability in the newer wheels. This is partly why my question was more surrounding the trade off of range and speed for suspension.
@@D-Brow In terms of range and speed I don't think there has been a negative with suspension. Speed and safety is much improved because the tire stays connected with the ground. Once you go to suspension you'll never go back 🙂
Im looking to get a 16" wheel. Do you think the Falcon is better than the Commander Bull mini? I heard the mini is really fast.
The Falcon and Commander Mini is like a Prius and a Porsche :-) These wheels can not be compared at all. The Falcon is for ultra portability and low speed fun. The Mini is for distance and speed.
@@ElectricUnicyclescopy that thanks
Are power pads even needed for this wheel? Been riding my S18 and mcm5 for a few years near their top speeds with just a few layers of baby bumpers by the calves. I like my legs to be free while riding.
Depends on how you ride. Pads can keep your legs from bouncing off the wheel when hitting a bad bump that you didn't see, or assist in jumping the wheel. They are a must for me. YMMV.
Are you using HDR mode on your insta360?
No
I only ride 15mph now so this falcon may be perfect. The T4 i'm riding is a bit heavy and the a2 is too much of a toy
On my S16 I had to drop to 16 psi to stop huge wobbles. Will try upping it gradually, maybe it's my feet position? Me 72kg, 5'7", it is very comfortable no aches at all. Any advice welcome, I would like more pressure for curbs and no tram/tracking probs.
16-psi is extremely low. Personally I wouldn't go lower than ~25-psi. You risk damaging your rim and tire. I have no wobble issues with the S16. You probably just need more riding time to get past the wobbles.
Marty - I'm looking at buying a 30km commuter wheel that isnt too noticeable if I wheel it into the office, can be lifted into my car boot, and doesnt exceed about 1.8k usd. Needs suspension for the path i use to get to work. Good water proofing too.
Im between the falcon and the im v11y. How would you compare?
For your use case I think the Falcon would be a much better choice due to its smaller size and weight.
Thanks for the advice! Interested to see range test and how the wobble situation resolves then I'm in.
Untraveled pathway-is that a humanoid creature or ghost?
Someone Mention On There RUclips Channel That The Falcon Street Tire Pattern Sucks. That Is Why It Wobbles When Ride Over 16 MPH. For Some Reason Everyone One Else Seems To Like The Knobby Tires. They Say The Knobby Tires Make The Falcon Rides So Much Better.
Which you watch my later Falcon videos you will learn that the wobbles went away after I rode the wheel for ~50-miles. I like the street tire on my Falcon. No wobbles now.
Suspension is great, it's just not worth the price if you ask me
Value is determined by the individual. For people who want an exceptionally small, well built wheel, with suspension, the price may be OK. If a person doesn't need this kind of wheel then the price is certainly too high.
Is anything worth it to you? Basically sound like a chronic complainer.
I don’t really understand why they try to have stock pads on wheels like some of the newer suspension wheels come with. The fact is, we are all different..in size, weight, sex etc..There is no way you can have a ..One Size Fits All setup.
Explore the less traveled areas and get mugged robbed killed etc.......
LOL - I need to make sure I don't ride where you live :-)
If you can draw up a pattern on the computer I have a 100 watt co2 laser cutter 22x28 inch’s soon as I’m out of the hospital I can cut it and send it to you.
Thank you so much for the offer 🙏 It happens that I own CNC cutting equipment, so I'm good.
@@ElectricUnicycles if you make a decent pattern could I get a copy of the file to play with on my falcon when I get it. Probably won’t be 6 months till I can ride but I’ll enjoy fabricating stuff for fun
@@ReviewThisTestThat Check my Making Side Panels video that I'll be posting to see if it interests you. Most likely I won't be using a CNC process since it's a simple flat panel, but I'll see.
When in doubt blame wobbles on the wheel! you are just out of practice riding smaller wheels, because your stance seems a bit off.
Always a possibility but we shall see after I make side panels that allow me to use regular pads. I have zero wobble issues on wheels such as the S16, V14, etc., which are not exactly big wheels.
@@ElectricUnicycles Calling V14 a small wheel is an insult too many riders, that thing is anything but small.
@@waterdropssify Compared to "real" wheels like the ET Max, EX30, Lynx, etc, it's small 🙂 I like the V14 - I have one.
Oh that's it! What would we do without you, Father?
theres no ergonomics anymore... its just a matter of time till we start creating more proper wheel design.. ;)
I would consider it for around 1200, the price is just too much
That's what every says about the Falcon. You are paying a bit of a premium for a very compact suspension wheel.
раздвинь ступни ног чтобы чувствовать себя увереннее.
That's what I tell the ladies
Another Ankle breaker
LOL
Assasin a2 still messing up your life lol
He tries to find the good in this wheel. but it is obvious to me that the wheel is bad.
LOL