This game has a competitive community? That's fkn great 🎉 I played this game growing up and it was one of the best games out there makes me happy to see its still going after all these years!
To put it plainly, a third of the entire roster are considered banned from standard play because they are considered to OP for the rest of the cast. Each of the characters you mentioned have been banned for at least 3 years.
Yeah, they're all banned for good reason. I'll quote from this document made by Joey Bag O' Donuts on why they're banned: Havoc: Does a ton of damage when he hits and has great meter build. His 6PPP (3 forward punches) allows for crazy pressure and his Heavy 5K (heavy neutral kick) and Heavy 6K (heavy forward kick) are both fairly safe, he can grab off of their hit confirms, and leave him plus on block. His Heavy 4K (heavy back kick; scissors kick) is safe on parry and is full of i-frames (just knocks the opponents to the ground, which can stun if they have taken enough damage). He also has Parry+ so almost nothing is safe on parry against him. Prodigy: Has weird punches that work well when used right and have good range, but his Heavy 6K is full of I-frames and is extremely safe if you do not whiff (even if blocked, you are safe). He can grab off of it as well. Once Prodigy catches you. He has a haymaker which helps confirm stuns and can KO, but he also has Kickboxing (making damage, stuns, and submissions all stronger and more effective, as well as consistent and lethal combo game), but his submissions are also strong. His Head submission is so deadly, he can kill you in 1 submission move if done right. Additionally, his arm submission can cripple you as well. And again, limb health does not recover. Slick Rick: His 6PPP string is really good and fast and when mixed with his Heavy 5K jumping knee, it is easy to get caught, and the between punch damage built up or getting hit by the knee (which can lead into a grab off of hit confirm, and is pretty safe on block), he can usually cripple you in 1 combo, if he does not kill you. He has the arm bar and the koji clutch, which both cripple the arm heavily and the arm bar has great stun output. His combo damage is insane and he cripples you when he does it. He catches you twice, you lose basically. He is 1 of the few characters in the roster that is a good MU against Sticky Fingaz. He can also catch you and hold you with a heavy back grab. He also has an extremely good and safe running kick.
how do you get into the competitive scene? never knew there was anything like that. meanwhile, I'm still playing offline after all these years. my fighters: 1. Warren G 2. Pockets 3. Baby chris 4. Teck 5. Bless
First time I new about it was when I first stumbled upon a Def Jam tournament on youtube back around 2017-2018. Months later I saw same people from the tournament video run exhibitions on twitch, I hopped on the discord server after that and the rest is history.
To put it plainly, going for grab is a very, VERY risky move to commit to in which the player can get countered and be punished severely. And even when grab lands, it's not even the most optimal choice for most of the cast to go for a grapple move due to the damage output.
Starting to look that way. At least the most complimentary. The fact that you do more damage than normal just because you have clinched kicks from having KB as your style.
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. Mostly due to the damage output and the submission moves in his arsenal that was deemed too much for standard tier.
Surprisingly no. Even with the tankiness and overall power. He's still rather slow and have punishable moves that leaves him in legal tier unfortunately
@SANDRA Mccullough Well the 4 styles thing is actually false. The game says he has 4 but in all honesty he only has 3 being Streetfighting, Submissions and kickboxing
Can you tell me why everyone on this vid were banned? I found it a little "cowardish" to ban so many characters Im agree there better and worst but BAN? You can win with everyone being skilful enough
I want to preference by saying I had no involvement in any decisions in banning characters, let alone tierlist you may or may not have seen online. That being said, the MAIN reason why there are many banned characters in the competitive scene is simply because there are no mirror matches implemented in the game. The scene believes that if certain characters weren't banned, it would lead to counterpicking to said characters, which means the meta would revolve around said characters, some WAY more than others. Going over each banned character in the video: Carmen Electra- parry + (can parry strike and punish with follow-ups right after), i-framed heavy kicks that you can't mash out of, one of them being safe on block and parry, has KB so can clinch kick strings together after grab to get more damage, and the fact that she has a chain stun grab and she has one of the easiest ways to consistently TOD in this game. Rollins- Maxed out tankiness that rivals Sticky Fingaz and Suspect, KB clinch for added damage, submission moves that wear down head and arm health, including one from heavy back grab where if done correctly can leave opponent dazed and add on more damage for KO. Slick Rick- Another KB character with submissions that can consistently 2 touch to make you submit with either head or arm health. Also have heavy kick that is safe on block and can't mash on in most cases. Xzibit- Same as Slick Rick but with different kit of moves and near maxed out stats except for Charisma. Prodigy- Same game plan as previous 2 but just have worst health overall including worst toughness. Havoc- High damage combo potential even with not having KB in kit, also I frame heavy kick that is safe on block and parry as well. Also has parry +
If this game is out now it would take over the gaming scene truly ahead of its time
Best game ever
I feel like that’s the reason why EA sabotaged it
That combo with Rollins at the beginning was nasty!
Been cooking different recipes in the kitchen 💯
@@AXG1995 Cooking up TOD's. I'm in the Discord so I know
That was wild! 🙏🏾💎📈
This game has a competitive community? That's fkn great 🎉 I played this game growing up and it was one of the best games out there makes me happy to see its still going after all these years!
Had no idea Havoc, Prodigy, and Slick Rick were banned tier, they usually appear either in the good tier or high but not bannable tier
To put it plainly, a third of the entire roster are considered banned from standard play because they are considered to OP for the rest of the cast. Each of the characters you mentioned have been banned for at least 3 years.
Yeah, they're all banned for good reason. I'll quote from this document made by Joey Bag O' Donuts on why they're banned:
Havoc: Does a ton of damage when he hits and has great meter build. His 6PPP (3 forward punches) allows for crazy pressure and his Heavy 5K (heavy neutral kick) and Heavy 6K (heavy forward kick) are both fairly safe, he can grab off of their hit confirms, and leave him plus on block. His Heavy 4K (heavy back kick; scissors kick) is safe on parry and is full of i-frames (just knocks the opponents to the ground, which can stun if they have taken enough damage). He also has Parry+ so almost nothing is safe on parry against him.
Prodigy: Has weird punches that work well when used right and have good range, but
his Heavy 6K is full of I-frames and is extremely safe if you do not whiff (even if blocked, you are
safe). He can grab off of it as well. Once Prodigy catches you. He has a haymaker which helps
confirm stuns and can KO, but he also has Kickboxing (making damage, stuns, and submissions
all stronger and more effective, as well as consistent and lethal combo game), but his
submissions are also strong. His Head submission is so deadly, he can kill you in 1 submission
move if done right. Additionally, his arm submission can cripple you as well. And again, limb
health does not recover.
Slick Rick: His 6PPP string is really good and fast and when mixed with his Heavy 5K
jumping knee, it is easy to get caught, and the between punch damage built up or getting hit by
the knee (which can lead into a grab off of hit confirm, and is pretty safe on block), he can
usually cripple you in 1 combo, if he does not kill you. He has the arm bar and the koji clutch,
which both cripple the arm heavily and the arm bar has great stun output. His combo damage is
insane and he cripples you when he does it. He catches you twice, you lose basically. He is 1 of
the few characters in the roster that is a good MU against Sticky Fingaz. He can also catch you
and hold you with a heavy back grab. He also has an extremely good and safe running kick.
@@AXG1995 I was watching def jam CEO tournament he wasn't banned
@@sandramccullough6038 which year?
I had no idea that Slick rick was in the game and warren g
I wish they can bring this game back to the next-gen consoles
I hear that all the time man...
0:42 nasty punch to the back of the head😂.
He just as easily could had followed that up with another headlock from behind because his opponent was stunned
Havoc banned? That's crazy. I knew the rest but that one really surprises me
He was banned prepandemic
His Jabs cancels will do an infinite combo on opponents back.
Me at the end: SO YOU TELLING ME MY GIRLFRIEND COULD'VE SAVED HER OWN ASS!?!?
🤣
Ikr all that shit we dine been through when she coulda caught crow slippin herself and throw his ass out the window 😂
What’s the best combination style
Kickboxing + street fighting + submisions thats the best
Crazy how carmen electra is the goat
She really is lol
If you fight her on hard mode if you're not good it's going to be a pain in the ass to defeat her
This game was way to far ahead of its time
how do you get into the competitive scene?
never knew there was anything like that.
meanwhile, I'm still playing offline after all these years.
my fighters:
1. Warren G
2. Pockets
3. Baby chris
4. Teck
5. Bless
First time I new about it was when I first stumbled upon a Def Jam tournament on youtube back around 2017-2018. Months later I saw same people from the tournament video run exhibitions on twitch, I hopped on the discord server after that and the rest is history.
My top 5 user r. Rollins, xzibit luda slick Rick and prodigy
I hope you win at CEO 🙏🏾📈🔥
Why is it that nobody is using grappling attacks?
To put it plainly, going for grab is a very, VERY risky move to commit to in which the player can get countered and be punished severely. And even when grab lands, it's not even the most optimal choice for most of the cast to go for a grapple move due to the damage output.
You can always counter strikes what's your point ?
@@monkeydeznutz4415grabs are more easy to counter than strikes
Didn't realize cindy j was op
It's mostly one move that is so OP that she has to be in banned tier
That damn sweeping kick lol it's so fast when done right and she can back out of it in the middle of doing it
So Kickboxing is basically the most OP style?
Starting to look that way. At least the most complimentary. The fact that you do more damage than normal just because you have clinched kicks from having KB as your style.
Why is Prodigy banned?
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. Mostly due to the damage output and the submission moves in his arsenal that was deemed too much for standard tier.
Dave banner isn't banned
Surprisingly no. Even with the tankiness and overall power. He's still rather slow and have punishable moves that leaves him in legal tier unfortunately
@@AXG1995 wow I figured that if you spam the heavy punch it would have put him on that list
@owenkorando9595 In that case put every street fighter in banned tier
@@AXG1995 that's true I know for a fact suspect would definitely be banned
@@owenkorando9595 Suspect for sure
1:00 get outta where he's dead you killed him
When was Henry Rollins ever banned tier? Dumb question.
So as far as I know he was considered banned tier before I even heard about the competitive scene n I've been there for almost 5 years.
He deserve to be banned he got 4 different fighting style and his powers r max
@SANDRA Mccullough Well the 4 styles thing is actually false. The game says he has 4 but in all honesty he only has 3 being Streetfighting, Submissions and kickboxing
@@sandramccullough6038 *fake news alert*
He never had Martial arts
@@AXG1995I thought he could do the run off of walls kicks or is that with kickboxing too?
When was havoc banned
2019
Why are they banned?
Can you tell me why everyone on this vid were banned? I found it a little "cowardish" to ban so many characters
Im agree there better and worst but BAN? You can win with everyone being skilful enough
I want to preference by saying I had no involvement in any decisions in banning characters, let alone tierlist you may or may not have seen online. That being said, the MAIN reason why there are many banned characters in the competitive scene is simply because there are no mirror matches implemented in the game. The scene believes that if certain characters weren't banned, it would lead to counterpicking to said characters, which means the meta would revolve around said characters, some WAY more than others. Going over each banned character in the video:
Carmen Electra- parry + (can parry strike and punish with follow-ups right after), i-framed heavy kicks that you can't mash out of, one of them being safe on block and parry, has KB so can clinch kick strings together after grab to get more damage, and the fact that she has a chain stun grab and she has one of the easiest ways to consistently TOD in this game.
Rollins- Maxed out tankiness that rivals Sticky Fingaz and Suspect, KB clinch for added damage, submission moves that wear down head and arm health, including one from heavy back grab where if done correctly can leave opponent dazed and add on more damage for KO.
Slick Rick- Another KB character with submissions that can consistently 2 touch to make you submit with either head or arm health. Also have heavy kick that is safe on block and can't mash on in most cases.
Xzibit- Same as Slick Rick but with different kit of moves and near maxed out stats except for Charisma.
Prodigy- Same game plan as previous 2 but just have worst health overall including worst toughness.
Havoc- High damage combo potential even with not having KB in kit, also I frame heavy kick that is safe on block and parry as well. Also has parry +
@@AXG1995 THANKS FOR SUCH A GOOD EXPLANATION!!!! didn't know this things
Can you tell me your personal top 5 Best characters??? (Everyone included)
@@kikoelargento9905 Top 5 Unanimous are Sticky, Carmen, Doc, Crow, Suspect
@@AXG1995other than his stats, what makes Suspect deserve the top 5 tho? Sorry for the stupid question.
I wish they can bring this game back to the next-gen consoles
Next best option would be emulator on PC and parsec my man