This is like Masterclass on the Retention vanish Rick. Can't thank you enough for all the free tutorials and how important they are to me starting out.
Thanks, Rick. Nice to see you putting our these videos more regularly now. BTW I have most of the books you mention in early editions from the 70s and 80s. Yep, been doing stuff since before then. Your touches on this move are helpful. I also appreciate Danny Goldsmith's recent videos on this vanish, and I agree with you both that the motivation and misdirection/timing are perhaps more important than mastering the refined techniques that are out there today. But, as you have quoted John Carney, "You want your slights to be perfect for when the misdirection doesn't.t work."
I love learning the history behind magic tricks. Only then do I fully appreciate the work behind it. You are a blessing to the art of magic Rick, and you give people like me the confidence to actually believe, I can master this too.
Beautiful tutorial. Came across one of your videos looking up some stuff on mp. Watched one and 2hrs later I'm 3 videos deep. Love the over the shoulder pov. My brain has the hardest time learning from a front facing pov. Over the shoulder videos are a godsend for me and I really appreciate the time and effort you've put into your videos.
Thank you very much for the detailed explanation! That is very helpful. This movement of the fingers has always bothered me, but with your method it's really fun to practise. I bought Slypalm and want to use this Vanish for Recoil because it looks incredibly magical. Now I can make my retention vanish look more natural.
Hi Rick, thanks for the video, great explanation and performance. Regarding the history of the name, I found on Magicana Vol 107 (Feb 1974), that Charlie Miller published a coin vanish as the Perfect Coin Vanish from Steve Freeman. And he refers the sleight as the retention of vision or the persistence of retinal impression. He explains that the persistence of vision is what makes moving pictures posible and upon this phenomenon the sleight is based on. He also mentioned that it was first published on Nelson Down book as you said in the video.
Absolutely fabulous teaching. I have watched many magic videos and your's are amongst the very best. So clear, very well detailed and highlighting many of the little things that might give the learner issues. Wonderful!
You've helped me put together a one coin routine that I have been practicing and performing once a week in the Cellar theater at the Magic Castle. That's where magician members can test their routines. We don't get paid but we do get a real audience. Thank you Rick
Rick's coin magic tutorials are absolutely the best! From The Vernon Chronicles Volume One on this coin vanish: "There is an amusing anecdote concerning this sleight. Attending an early Abbott's Get-Together years ago, Mr. Vernon discovered that T.J. Crawford was present. Introducing himself to Mr. Crawford, Mr. Vernon praised his coin vanish and requested that he perform the sleight. Mr. Crawford suggested they retire to a secluded spot, away from the crowd. This they eventually did and Mr. Crawford asked that Mr. Vernon first perform the sleight for him. This Mr. Vernon did. Mr. Crawford was highly complimentary of the illusion created by the vanish in Mr. Vernon's hands and, saying that he had never achieved a better one, refused to perform the sleight. Therefore, Mr. Vernon was never to witness this vanish in the hands of its best known exponent."
A Grand SLAM RICK! Especially your commentary on the Tik-Tok magic culture. This aspect is not exposed enough and in my opinion it's shrinking the magic performance down to a single move. It works for the camera, in a "straight-on single perspective shot", however magicians who truly perform for live audiences immediately recognize that these techniques are simply utility moves that blend in seamlessly to accomplish the larger performance. The move is not magic in itself, nor is it a magical performance. Most of these camera shots would never work performing surrounded by several spectators. Thank you for that.
5:10 I am unsure if anyone has commented this before, but at the dover edition of Bobo's makes reference to "The retention of vision" on p.27 in the Bobo Coin Vanish: "The main point in favor of this and the three coin vanishes that follow is an illusive element called retention of vision". The three vanishes this line is referencing are "The Bobo Vanish", "The Slide Vanish" and "The Illusive Coin Pass" from Greater Magic (Now known as The Retention Of Vision Vanish). The third of which is said to be submitted to T. J. Crawford. "Retention of vision" is also mentioned a few times between these pages p.27-p.29. That's probably where it came from.
Thanks for breaking down the retention of vision vanish. It is something that I use but have seen various handlings. I always like to explore new ideas and handlings that gives this wonderful slight justice. At the most, a handling I got from David Roth is what I have been using. I'm glad that you said that it has to do with what happens in the mind of the spectator and not so much as the physical action. I have seen people use this as a move. It is not a move. In fact it is a natural action or should be treated as such of a placement of a coin from one hand to the next. Again, thanks for your wise insight and teaching.
Excellent tutorial. Perhaps the best advice comes midway when you suggest asking the spectator a question during the sleight. Giobbi recommends the same (I notice his Card College books on your shelf). Andrew Galloway suggests looking the spectator in the eye just before the sleight occurs, which naturally causes the spectator to return your gaze and miss the dirty work.
Bro Love ur Videos, I Paid for some Book's like "Bobo Modern Coin Magic" and u giving them for free not everyone does that and that's really cool of you. Now I can read more Book's without paying 20 euros for only one❤
What a great video. I love your structure and the content. Also thanks to give away these books. I wished i could sit down with you and talk about creating routines. Is like you said. All these moves have no sence without a routine or a story. Maybe one day you can make a video about creating a routine
Fantástico vídeo explicativo sobre tu desaparición de monedas, todo un lujo seguirte. Muchas Gracias por tu tiempo, que casi nunca se agradece lo suficiente. Saludos
The term Persistence of Vision goes back to the 1920s, as a description of the optical illusion of motion pictures. I would suggest, that the term was borrowed to apply to this coin manipulation.
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What coin are you using?? It looks amazing. Also, helluva job on the tutorial! That part about the vanish only being a small piece of any trick really blew my mind. I needed to hear that! Thank you!
Can you please make the retention which performed by Eric Chien and Zee( ukawa retention?) or just give me some tips? This retention is f*cking hard to do😢
Yes, there it is on p163, The Magic Book. However, in context it sounds (to me) as though the term “retention of vision” was already established in the field of coin magic when Lorayne’s book came out. Here’s the quote, under the heading , “Persistence-of-Vision Coin Vanish”. > He seems to be saying that the phrase “retention of vision” was already in magic parlance at that time.
When I was first introduced to the Retention Vanish I thought it referred to the coin being RETAINED by the right hand. While other types of vanishes also retain the coin, I assumed this was the progenitor-THE Retention Vanish. It wasn't until later that I heard it refered to as the Retention of VISION Vanish. But you're right, "persistence of vision" technically would be a more accurate name.
few days ago I stumbled here on YT on the some Ogie dudes channel, its whiteverse if I recall the name of the channel, and his retention really is an effect in itself. Its just cray looking when he does it witth like ten coins and you can see them to the last second, whatever you know, if someone told you they are in the other hand you wouldnt believe it. And on top, nope, not all coin magic is its in the other hand 😁 And no even talking about goshman, I use SO much those backpalms lately, dunno even the name of the move, Ponta the Smith uses it a lot, indeed because a lot of ppl know about coin magic a lot, this still fools them it just doesent get on their minds its in the back
For what it's worth, Id watch an hour long video of you discussing the finer points of just about anything. Waffle on, man. Actually, I suddenly feel inspired to create a "torn and restored" Eggo routine now...
The "retention of vision" term is explained in Modern Coin Magic by Bobo. It is in the introduction to The Bobo Coin Vanish: "The main point in favor of this and the three coin vanishes that follow is an illusive element called retention of vision. In other words, not only does the coin actually appear to be placed in the left hand - the spectators think they see it in that hand AFTER the hands separate. The result of the perfect illusion these sleights create is a complete deception." Looking at historical references at ask alexander, this term is not just used for coins but also for cards, billiard balls, thimbles, cigarettes, etc. So it has historically described a class of sleights. So you are absolutely right to say that many "false puts" are retention of vision vanishes.
@RickHolcombe that is a very interesting question. I haven't been able to nail down the "who" but we do know the "when". In the 1970s it was still very much used as a general term. For example, in Harry Lorayne's The Magic Book the section is titled "Persistance-of-Vision Coin Vanish (Three Methods)" It says "Persistence of Vision," or "retention of vision," in magic parlance, means that the spectator continues to see the object for a split second after it's no longer there. Or at least he thinks he sees it! These vanishes are not difficult to do in the manipulative sense; it's the timing which needs practice." But in the 1980s a lot of people are using the term in reference to the particular coin vanish. One of the earliest references I can find that refers to it in this way is a Patrick Page video tape and book bundle called "Six Practical Coin Vanishes" released in 1980. I don't have that item but the ad in the June Abracadabra says: "You may think you know some of these vanishes already, but you haven't heard Patrick Page's approach to them. The Tourniquet The Reverse Tourniquet Drop Vanish The Pull Back Retention of Vision Impromptu Coin Stand" The reviews for this product in MUM, etc. all say that Page teaches the "Retention of Vision vanish". Harry Riser has a good article on Page 88 of July 1991 MUM where he goes over the history of it. It is very much aligned with what you presented. He begins his commentary by saying: "One of the best sleight-of-hand moves in all of magic is the coin vanish generally referred to as the "Retention of Vision" vanish. Because of the visual retention of the coin in the hand, the spectator is convinced that the coin is there and then suddenly is not there. This is certainly the epitome of all "put and take" moves, many of which are unfortunately weak. Not only is the retention-of-vision move strong visually, but the handling is very natural." He then follows this with a good bit of history. So, by early 1990s the term was firmly rooted to the specific coin vanish move, not the more general principle. Please let me know if you would like more details on any of these citations.
That is so helpful! Do you have all of those sources in your personal library? I'm also curious about Al Schnieder's "Snapback Vanish". In my opinion, that was a huge leap forward in technique. Specifically, whoever first published the idea of pulling the coin into Edge Grip from that position, maybe Jonathan Townsend? That move became a staple for so much of the coin magic we see today.
@@RickHolcombe I have a pretty decent magic library of books and videos. But I also have a Conjuring Arts account which gives access to the Ask Alexander database. This allows searching across almost all of the major magic magazines (Genii, Tops, Linking Ring, MUM, Apocalypse, Magic Circular and hundreds more) and many classic books. With a paid subscription you can view pdfs of the material. But even the free subscription is great for doing history work as it allows you to find out all the publications where that particular term was published. IBM members get an expanded free account which provides all the info of the normal free one and also access to pdfs of all the IBM material including all Linking Rings. Definitely worth checking out if you never had before.
I noticed today when I was practicing that the meaty part at the base of my thumb that I am "putting the coin in to" will also kind help push the coin into the hand doing the vanish as I'm closing my fingers. I haven't been using a mirror though so I'm not sure how it looks.
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Literally the best tutorial ever made on this move! Excellent work, Rick!
Thanks dude
Thank you for curating these free resources for us Rick. It's more than us RUclips plebs deserve.
I believe magic tutorials should up their game. RUclips is now the public library.
This is like Masterclass on the Retention vanish Rick. Can't thank you enough for all the free tutorials and how important they are to me starting out.
I love coin magic, and I'm here for other people who love it too!
Thanks, Rick. Nice to see you putting our these videos more regularly now. BTW I have most of the books you mention in early editions from the 70s and 80s. Yep, been doing stuff since before then. Your touches on this move are helpful. I also appreciate Danny Goldsmith's recent videos on this vanish, and I agree with you both that the motivation and misdirection/timing are perhaps more important than mastering the refined techniques that are out there today. But, as you have quoted John Carney, "You want your slights to be perfect for when the misdirection doesn't.t work."
Exactly!
I love learning the history behind magic tricks. Only then do I fully appreciate the work behind it. You are a blessing to the art of magic Rick, and you give people like me the confidence to actually believe, I can master this too.
So good to hear that my friend
Beautiful tutorial. Came across one of your videos looking up some stuff on mp. Watched one and 2hrs later I'm 3 videos deep. Love the over the shoulder pov. My brain has the hardest time learning from a front facing pov. Over the shoulder videos are a godsend for me and I really appreciate the time and effort you've put into your videos.
Thanks for stopping by! And glad you commented! It's good to know my videos are helping people.
The real magic is that you are willing to share this. Thank you!
Thank you very much for the detailed explanation! That is very helpful. This movement of the fingers has always bothered me, but with your method it's really fun to practise. I bought Slypalm and want to use this Vanish for Recoil because it looks incredibly magical. Now I can make my retention vanish look more natural.
Thanks! Glad it helped
Jazz with one coin. Thank you for sharing the art.
Thank you for that facinating history of the move!
Hi Rick, thanks for the video, great explanation and performance. Regarding the history of the name, I found on Magicana Vol 107 (Feb 1974), that Charlie Miller published a coin vanish as the Perfect Coin Vanish from Steve Freeman. And he refers the sleight as the retention of vision or the persistence of retinal impression. He explains that the persistence of vision is what makes moving pictures posible and upon this phenomenon the sleight is based on. He also mentioned that it was first published on Nelson Down book as you said in the video.
That's awesome! It's good to know I'm on the right track.
Absolutely fabulous teaching. I have watched many magic videos and your's are amongst the very best. So clear, very well detailed and highlighting many of the little things that might give the learner issues. Wonderful!
You've helped me put together a one coin routine that I have been practicing and performing once a week in the Cellar theater at the Magic Castle. That's where magician members can test their routines. We don't get paid but we do get a real audience. Thank you Rick
Thanks Edward! Put in a good word for me!
I love your approach so much! you offer deep dive into things. I love your thorough way of going into the themes! thank you so much!
Rick's coin magic tutorials are absolutely the best! From The Vernon Chronicles Volume One on this coin vanish:
"There is an amusing anecdote concerning this sleight. Attending an early Abbott's Get-Together years ago, Mr. Vernon discovered that T.J. Crawford was present. Introducing himself to Mr. Crawford, Mr. Vernon praised his coin vanish and requested that he perform the sleight. Mr. Crawford suggested they retire to a secluded spot, away from the crowd. This they eventually did and Mr. Crawford asked that Mr. Vernon first perform the sleight for him. This Mr. Vernon did. Mr. Crawford was highly complimentary of the illusion created by the vanish in Mr. Vernon's hands and, saying that he had never achieved a better one, refused to perform the sleight. Therefore, Mr. Vernon was never to witness this vanish in the hands of its best known exponent."
Excellent tutorial and variation of a great cllassic! Thank you Sir.
A Grand SLAM RICK! Especially your commentary on the Tik-Tok magic culture. This aspect is not exposed enough and in my opinion it's shrinking the magic performance down to a single move. It works for the camera, in a "straight-on single perspective shot", however magicians who truly perform for live audiences immediately recognize that these techniques are simply utility moves that blend in seamlessly to accomplish the larger performance. The move is not magic in itself, nor is it a magical performance. Most of these camera shots would never work performing surrounded by several spectators. Thank you for that.
5:10 I am unsure if anyone has commented this before, but at the dover edition of Bobo's makes reference to "The retention of vision" on p.27 in the Bobo Coin Vanish:
"The main point in favor of this and the three coin vanishes that follow is an illusive element called retention of vision".
The three vanishes this line is referencing are "The Bobo Vanish", "The Slide Vanish" and "The Illusive Coin Pass" from Greater Magic (Now known as The Retention Of Vision Vanish). The third of which is said to be submitted to T. J. Crawford.
"Retention of vision" is also mentioned a few times between these pages p.27-p.29. That's probably where it came from.
Thank you for sharing your improvements on the retention vanish.
This is so good and helpful Rick. Thanks so much Sir! And Happy New Year from Scotland
Eloquent elaboration and history. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a fascinating presentation. Thank you Rick.
Glad you enjoyed it
your explanations are top drawer
Thank you, sir.
Thanks again! These Bobo sessions are awesome!
Thanks David! And thanks for your donation! It means a lot!
Thanks for the artful presentation.
Thanks for breaking down the retention of vision vanish. It is something that I use but have seen various handlings. I always like to explore new ideas and handlings that gives this wonderful slight justice. At the most, a handling I got from David Roth is what I have been using. I'm glad that you said that it has to do with what happens in the mind of the spectator and not so much as the physical action. I have seen people use this as a move. It is not a move. In fact it is a natural action or should be treated as such of a placement of a coin from one hand to the next. Again, thanks for your wise insight and teaching.
you get it!
Excellent tutorial. Perhaps the best advice comes midway when you suggest asking the spectator a question during the sleight. Giobbi recommends the same (I notice his Card College books on your shelf). Andrew Galloway suggests looking the spectator in the eye just before the sleight occurs, which naturally causes the spectator to return your gaze and miss the dirty work.
Excellent knowledge to go on you RockRickRoll🎉🎉
Sir, you're great 💎
Bro Love ur Videos, I Paid for some Book's like "Bobo Modern Coin Magic" and u giving them for free not everyone does that and that's really cool of you. Now I can read more Book's without paying 20 euros for only one❤
What a great video. I love your structure and the content.
Also thanks to give away these books.
I wished i could sit down with you and talk about creating routines. Is like you said. All these moves have no sence without a routine or a story.
Maybe one day you can make a video about creating a routine
rick I totally love your work!! thank you deeply! keep it up please!! you totally rock
Thanks, will do!
What a great lecture. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent tutorial
Great Video! Thank you!
Fantástico vídeo explicativo sobre tu desaparición de monedas, todo un lujo seguirte. Muchas Gracias por tu tiempo, que casi nunca se agradece lo suficiente. Saludos
Gracias! Gracias para mirando!
Love this one!😊
Thank you Rick very much
You are very welcome
The term Persistence of Vision goes back to the 1920s, as a description of the optical illusion of motion pictures. I would suggest, that the term was borrowed to apply to this coin manipulation.
I'd love to do this well but I have to say I am terrible at this vanish
Great explanations!!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Rick. Always terrific stuff here. Your approach to teaching is mesmerizing.
Do you have any suggestions for dry hands for us seniors?
I've heard this is good:
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What coin are you using?? It looks amazing.
Also, helluva job on the tutorial! That part about the vanish only being a small piece of any trick really blew my mind. I needed to hear that! Thank you!
Thanks! I use a Peace Dollar
Excellent
Can you please make the retention which performed by Eric Chien and Zee( ukawa retention?) or just give me some tips?
This retention is f*cking hard to do😢
The term retention of vision is named in Harry Lorayne's The Magic Book p.163. It seems that Mr Lorayne was the first to use this term.
Yes, there it is on p163, The Magic Book. However, in context it sounds (to me) as though the term “retention of vision” was already established in the field of coin magic when Lorayne’s book came out. Here’s the quote, under the heading , “Persistence-of-Vision Coin Vanish”. > He seems to be saying that the phrase “retention of vision” was already in magic parlance at that time.
When I was first introduced to the Retention Vanish I thought it referred to the coin being RETAINED by the right hand. While other types of vanishes also retain the coin, I assumed this was the progenitor-THE Retention Vanish. It wasn't until later that I heard it refered to as the Retention of VISION Vanish. But you're right, "persistence of vision" technically would be a more accurate name.
Beautiful
Thank you
few days ago I stumbled here on YT on the some Ogie dudes channel, its whiteverse if I recall the name of the channel, and his retention really is an effect in itself. Its just cray looking when he does it witth like ten coins and you can see them to the last second, whatever you know, if someone told you they are in the other hand you wouldnt believe it.
And on top, nope, not all coin magic is its in the other hand 😁
And no even talking about goshman, I use SO much those backpalms lately, dunno even the name of the move, Ponta the Smith uses it a lot, indeed because a lot of ppl know about coin magic a lot, this still fools them it just doesent get on their minds its in the back
For what it's worth, Id watch an hour long video of you discussing the finer points of just about anything. Waffle on, man. Actually, I suddenly feel inspired to create a "torn and restored" Eggo routine now...
Thanks. Some people 🙄
100% agree, bust out the butter and syrup! I love waffles😊
The "retention of vision" term is explained in Modern Coin Magic by Bobo. It is in the introduction to The Bobo Coin Vanish: "The main point in favor of this and the three coin vanishes that follow is an illusive element called retention of vision. In other words, not only does the coin actually appear to be placed in the left hand - the spectators think they see it in that hand AFTER the hands separate. The result of the perfect illusion these sleights create is a complete deception." Looking at historical references at ask alexander, this term is not just used for coins but also for cards, billiard balls, thimbles, cigarettes, etc. So it has historically described a class of sleights. So you are absolutely right to say that many "false puts" are retention of vision vanishes.
My man! That is so helpful, thank you! I still wonder how and where that became the "title" of the move?
@RickHolcombe that is a very interesting question. I haven't been able to nail down the "who" but we do know the "when". In the 1970s it was still very much used as a general term. For example, in Harry Lorayne's The Magic Book the section is titled "Persistance-of-Vision Coin Vanish (Three Methods)" It says "Persistence of Vision," or "retention of vision," in magic parlance, means that the spectator continues to see the object for a split second after it's no longer there. Or at least he thinks he sees it! These vanishes are not difficult to do in the manipulative sense; it's the timing which needs practice." But in the 1980s a lot of people are using the term in reference to the particular coin vanish. One of the earliest references I can find that refers to it in this way is a Patrick Page video tape and book bundle called "Six Practical Coin Vanishes" released in 1980. I don't have that item but the ad in the June Abracadabra says: "You may think you know some of these vanishes already, but you haven't heard Patrick Page's approach to them.
The Tourniquet
The Reverse Tourniquet
Drop Vanish
The Pull Back
Retention of Vision
Impromptu Coin Stand" The reviews for this product in MUM, etc. all say that Page teaches the "Retention of Vision vanish".
Harry Riser has a good article on Page 88 of July 1991 MUM where he goes over the history of it. It is very much aligned with what you presented. He begins his commentary by saying: "One of the best sleight-of-hand moves in all of magic is the coin vanish generally referred to as the "Retention of Vision" vanish. Because of the visual retention of the coin in the hand, the spectator is convinced that the coin is there and then suddenly is not there. This is certainly the epitome of all "put and take" moves, many of which are unfortunately weak. Not only is the retention-of-vision move strong visually, but the handling is very natural." He then follows this with a good bit of history. So, by early 1990s the term was firmly rooted to the specific coin vanish move, not the more general principle. Please let me know if you would like more details on any of these citations.
That is so helpful! Do you have all of those sources in your personal library?
I'm also curious about Al Schnieder's "Snapback Vanish". In my opinion, that was a huge leap forward in technique. Specifically, whoever first published the idea of pulling the coin into Edge Grip from that position, maybe Jonathan Townsend? That move became a staple for so much of the coin magic we see today.
@@RickHolcombe I have a pretty decent magic library of books and videos. But I also have a Conjuring Arts account which gives access to the Ask Alexander database. This allows searching across almost all of the major magic magazines (Genii, Tops, Linking Ring, MUM, Apocalypse, Magic Circular and hundreds more) and many classic books. With a paid subscription you can view pdfs of the material. But even the free subscription is great for doing history work as it allows you to find out all the publications where that particular term was published. IBM members get an expanded free account which provides all the info of the normal free one and also access to pdfs of all the IBM material including all Linking Rings. Definitely worth checking out if you never had before.
Very nice indeed!
Thanks buddy!
@@RickHolcombe Always MY pleasure! 😸👍
I noticed today when I was practicing that the meaty part at the base of my thumb that I am "putting the coin in to" will also kind help push the coin into the hand doing the vanish as I'm closing my fingers. I haven't been using a mirror though so I'm not sure how it looks.
To be more clear not when I'm swinging down or doing a snapback, but when I was practicing a more traditional retention.
yes. That technique has been used by many.
Hi Rick. Are you right handed or left handed?
Right handed
I would think that retention meant retaining the coin not vision but what do I know.
You're not wrong! That's kind of my point, but still don't know exactly where the mix up was
Make a tutorial!!!! ❤❤
Wonderful magic tutorial!!!
Thanks tutorial coin vanis
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Very helpful!
Make a tutorial!!!! ❤❤