Te reason for not being absolutely necessary to bring the USB-C for the mouse and keyboard is that: unlike ANY device or cable you could need at an iPhone, THOSE DEVICES ARE USUALLY TO BE CONNECTED TO THAT VERY SAME COMPUTER. Usually you don’t go around anywhere bringing with your computer’s keyboard or mouse to connect them to the computer of somebody else, doesn’t that other computer you get to has already it’s own keyboard and mouse???
@@oscarexcan valid point. You actually need those cables only to charge them, and stop. I'm going to buy the new iMac M3, just waiting for some "road tests" before ordering.
I run a MacBook Pro M2 with an External 32-Inch Screen. 24 Inch is too Small for me. But i think they will not offer a bigger Screen for an iMac. There is a MacMini a MacStudio and a Studio Display…..
I guess you'll be waiting forever the 27 inch I Mac is dead has not been updated in 4 years. If you want 27 you'd have to get a Studio display and have to get another Mac to hook up to it.
Yep same here. Still on a late 2015 27" iMac and it's really starting to creak, so a bigger, better specced M3 Pro iMac would be great right about now.
Unlikely to see a 27" M-series iMac anytime soon since they launched the Mac Studio and Studio Display. I'd be thrilled to see a 30" or larger iMac Pro, but I doubt they'd ever make one in the next 3 years.
I have the M1 iMac. I don't see the point in upgrading just now as I have the M2 iPad and MacBook Air I am a bit peeved about the lighting cable not being USBC, hence why I might wait. Perhaps they will finally kill the lightning cable next year. Great video Greg.
I'm holding out for a 28 or 30 inch iMac. I currently use an Intel based 27 inch, and I can't give up the screen. I also have a 16" MacBook Pro M2 I bought last spring, so I'm not hurting for computing power when I need it. Really bummed they didn't announce a larger iMac. I suppose that's when they'll finally ditch the lightning connector. BTW, nice review!
My worry is they will come out with a larger screen iMac, and they will call it "Pro" and charge the moon for it. Still sticking with my 8 year old 27 inch iMac.
Yes give me a 27"+ iMac if you want my money Apple. My model is 10 years old now (bought in 2015 just before the update late that year). Good point on the accessories needing lightning cables still - that seems a poor decision.
Same... though now I might just get a Studio and a 4K monitor (since the Apple 5K monitor is so expensive). I love my 27" iMac but now to upgrade, I lose that nice monitor when I want to upgrade and need a new monitor instead of just the computer itself.
Rumor is for a 32 in which is way too big for me. Ive been on 27 in also since 2013 but, since they came out with the Mac Studio and display, the sign was clear that they killed the 27 in. So I just ordered this new one. We’ll see how it goes.
the more i think it, I think they kept all the lightning accessories cause they probably have millions sitting in boxes ready to ship that have not sold with the M1 iMac, probably the reason they didn't change any of the colors of the M3 iMacs either as they probably made so many of those enclosures they need to move probably the reason the touch bar MBP stayed in the line up for the M2 generation and only now depleted their stocks
Correct assessment and reasoning. With the Mac Mini and studio competing for desktop share AND Apple holding the IMac for over 2 years on M1, yeah … very likely overstock of color cases and matching keyboard and others with lighting connections.
I'm a big fan of the entry-level iMac. Sure, it has fewer features, but it is perfect for business reception, kitchen, guest room, etc. type settings, and they don't force you to pay for things you don't need (ports, ethernet, TID). I don't see it as "less"; rather, I see it as "just what you need" for those circumstances I mentioned at the lowest price. Good job, Apple, for recognizing the use case.
Although I agree, the one thing that would have made the base model Imac perfect as that entry level mac would be 16gbs of ram. It's not even a question anymore or something that needs to be debated. Most manufacturers are doing 16gbs of ram as base even in most entry level windows laptops and computers. This day in age 8gbs really isn't enough unless you're quite literally only using it to browse the web and reply to emails. At which point, if that's the only thing you need it for why spend $1300 usd for such light use? Not to mention... they paired it with their new M3 chips. the damn thing has hardware accelerated ray tracing. so 8gbs makes absolutely zero sense for such a powerful chip.
I bought a device that increases the height of a Magic Mouse and adds a wifi charging coil to the base. It connects to the mouse through the Lightning port which also helps to locate the mouse in the frame of the "embiggener." It charges the mouse and disconnects the Bluetooth by placing in on any Qi or MagSafe-compatible charging surface. The mouse is more comfortable to hold because it's further away from the desk.
It's pretty clear that Apple intends to stick with the Studio Mac and Display as a replacement to the 27" iMac. The 24" iMac (spec-wise) is clearly intended for casual users, though it can comfortably handle standard photo and video workflows.
Yep. That’s what I’ve been using for the last couple years (M1 Mac Studio + Studio Display). Glad I didn’t hold my breath for an iMac Pro. (A shame, cuz I loved my old 27” Intel-based iMac.)
Given that the M1 iMac preceded the Apple Studio Display, why then did not the latter get two Thunderbolt and two USB-C as fitted to the higher-level iMacs instead of one Thunderbolt and three USB-Cs?
@@PeterEmery 5k resolution bandwidth is 22 Gbps. Thunderbolt 3 & 4 support 40 Gbps. That would leave 18 Gbps bandwidth for the remaining ports and the FaceTime camera. Each of the USB-C ports support 10 Gbps, but will be lower to the aggregate 18 Gbps if all three ports are in use for data.
After 10 years (2013) I bought a new one today; the second model he showed in green. This is my third one. Always have been happy with them and each time better!
@@justand928 it’s a major (!) update for us! When the M1 came out, I thought: the second one will be an improved one, and not only the CPU. I hope this one will last for an other 10 years.
My guess would be that Apple doesn’t want users to end up using the mouse with the charger plugged in as this would negatively impact Apple’s aesthetic and design
If only they would come out with a mouse that had a usb-c connection on the side. That would be such an improvement. I use a Kensington bluetooth trackball with mine, rechargeable batteries. I still have my 27" iMac from 2019 and I don't care how much more powerful the M3 is, the 24" screen isn't big enough. If they want me to buy a new iMac they need to sell one with a 27" or larger screen.
@@adredy Huh? It's called the 24" iMac by Apple. The actual diagonal size of the screen is 23.5". It is not 23". If you're going to correct people at least get the facts right.
I’d wager they kept the lightning port accessories because of a surplus of the older designed accessories, especially since they’re color matched. We’ll probably see USB-C accessories for the standard OTS silver keyboard/mouse/trackpad first, possibly alongside a redesign of those products. The Apple TV remote was likely an easy change because the bottom panel the port goes through is removed with just two tiny screws and doesn’t involve a huge redesign of the product. I imagine they want to run through their supply of color matched components with the lightning cutout before swapping over.
Well Greg, I am the owner of the last iteration of the 2019 Intel 21.5” iMac with the 6core cpu. So, yes I am planning on upgrading this desktop, because this is my wife’s main computer at home, and my M2 MBA smokes it! I am planning on getting the top tier M3 iMac with 16gb ram, and 1T SSD and in her favorite color, purple. We typically keep our computers about 5 years before upgrading them, so this should satisfy that criteria.
I know the consensus among the tech RUclipsrs is that they should have upgraded the peripherals to USB C, but I am definitely the target audience that made them stay with lightening. I don't plan on upgrading my iPhone 13 anytime soon so I like still using lightening. This is a case where tech RUclipsrs don't get that most of the consumer market is a couple years behind with their devices a lot of the time.
They probably left Lighting so they can get rid of a lot of back-stock. They probably have an iMac refresh ready but will only release it once they get rid of more of their old stock
I really love my M1 Blue iMac with the white bezels. I think the colour selections are beautiful and unique and pay respect to Mac designs of the past. I also love the 24 inch monitor but if they did a 27 inch one I would like that one too. I am a bit shocked too that there was no move to the USB C ports. The M1 performs fast enough and is a great machine but it does not have that "ray tracing" feature that the new M3 iMac has and I think there was another feature dealing with graphics that the M3 has the M1 does not.
I was more disappointed by the upside down charging of the mouse still there. Maybe next year they will offer M3 Pro and Max options on a 27" iMac? One could hope.
it’s gotta be a move to clear out existing inventory of lightning accessories. As someone that’s refused to buy anything lightning for the last couple years, I’m fully committed to having usb-c everything and it’s been sooo nice just using the same cable for everything I own. So glad I can finally include my iPhone in that
Almost perfect except not getting a 27" iMac included ... Very upsetting as I'm still using my 27" 5K Retina display iMac from 2017 and still works fine.
I would have liked a silver option with a black bezel, usually Apple design trends grow on me after a few years, but I still don’t like the white bezel.
The base 2 port model also probably lacks the cooling fan that directly cools the SOC. that was the case with the M1 and probably the case here. The base model is passively cooled like the MacBook Air.
Hey Greg! The usual question again: since I plan on keeping my new M3 iMac for a long time, where should I put extra cash: Ram or storage ? The minimum, I guess is 16gb of Ram and 512 Gb ssd… but I usually keep my iMacs (it will be my 5th!) between 7-8 years. Previously, I would have upgraded the machine along the way (when it slowed down) ❤but it’s not an option anymore. 24 gb of ram or 1Tb of storage ? I can’t afford both.
You can use external storage, but you can't use external ram. With a macbook external drives can become a portability nightmare, but with a desktop computer external drives are quite convenient. Sure, the computer needs enough storage for the apps you're installing and running; but large items like your Photos library or media projects can be worked with directly from an external drive.
I’d say 16GB and 1TB internal storage is a sweet spot. I have all my apps on the local drive, as well as my work folder on my mini M2 Pro. That has a Time Machine backup and I have two mirrored cheaper external NVME SSDs for other stuff. Works like a dream.
I think the view that they are trying to offload the old units by just putting in the new chips, is correct. How many of those do you think they have to offload before we get a newer design, but with the M3 chip?
I plan on buying the new iMac, my old 2015 iMac needs to go into retirement. I am a simple iMac user, I don't understand all the teccy stuff, I use it essentially for photos. The thing that has disappointed me about the new iMac is the absence of the card reader. I will now have to connect something to the iMac for the sd card. So this beautiful, elegant, sleek design is now going to be spoilt by 'bits and pieces' being attached. I think I am alone with this view because it never gets mentioned when people review the iMac. It's not the end of the world, just a nuisance.
I just want an iMac with their M2 Pro or Max chip - I could even be okay with a screen smaller than 27 inches...I have been holding onto my Intel based 27 inch iMac and was wanting to upgrade when the first M1 chip came out but I just can't "upgrade" to the base chip - I really want the M3 Pro chip in my iMac...I do not want a laptop and do not want to have to buy a monitor - I LOVE the iMac and am incredibly frustrated that there is not a beefier iMac anymore...am going to try to keep my Intel 27 inch iMac alive for another cycle it looks like...
So basically Apple had too much inventory, so they reached out to the marketing department and they suggested just switch out the motherboard and rename it. Got it
Let me play devils advocate here for a minute, the convenience of having lightning or USB-C for your Mac accessories is that you can plug your iPhone in using the same cable. The target audience, for the 24” iMac is not tech enthusiast, they’ve made it very clear that they are targeting casual computer users in the home and Office where having a computer that looks nice is more critical than having a super powerful machine. The people that are not huge Teck enthusiast are the same people that don’t normally upgrade their phone every year, more like every 2 to 3 years with their phone plans. So if you’re targeting that group of people, then the majority of them probably are not switching to the USB-C iPhone for another year or three, so continuing to sell a computer that matches the phone they’re more than likely going to have for another year makes sense. not to mention the financial incentive to use lightning which they make a 30% commission on. I would wager that in about a year or so. They will probably update the accessories that you can buy in the store and update accessories that come in the box to USB-C as iPhones with lightning begin to phase out of the US market.
I just ordered the M3 iMac to replace my 2017 iMac. I don't use my computer for video editing, etc. so I think this will be perfect for my use. Hopefully it will last another 7 or 8 years!
Still don’t understand why the mouse isn’t just converted to wireless charging? It could sit on a charging pad whenever you walk away .. and not doing the iMac .. got an M2 MacMini
I just ordered a 2023 M3 base IMac for my 81 year old mother. She’ll only use it for basic household computing tasks so it should be a dream machine for her.
Absolutely.. my 27" 2011 iMac is just waiting for a 27" M3 iMac to replace it... But I'm not getting anything with a lightning connector.. again! On top of that, they have avoided calling the base model chip the BINNED VERSION... out of the TRASH, THAT IS..!
It is disappointing that the entry level M3 iMacs have a single slow 256 Gb flash module and only have 8 Gb of RAM. The cost of giving these iMacs the 512 Gb SSDs and the 16 Gb of RAM that is universal in PCs in this price range is $400 which is unreasonable given the fact that the component cost of this upgrade is only around $100. Also most outlets only sell base models of Macs and iPhones and so it will not be possible to go into any high street store and come away with a properly configured M1/M2/M3 Mac with a 512 Gb SSD and 16 Gb of RAM.
Apple declared themselves “courageous” for removing the headphone jack from the iPhone. Can we declare them “lazy” for keeping the lightning jacks on the accessories?
My guess is apple’s 2023 accessories with lightning still onboard are all about using up the old stock , it would probably be a fair bet next year these will all be the newer usb standard.
it's not bizarre. Apple has already ordered X amount of iMac to be manufactured and they just have to clear all the stocks before they can shift to USB-C.
I’m not interested at all in a 24 inch iMac. I’m hoping there will be a 27 inch M3 iMac coming out very soon because I can’t go down to 24 inches after using a 27 inch for the last three years. One more picky item is, they really need to get rid of the white bezel.
I'm psychic:) Tried to update my software a few days ago and found that my "late 2015" I Mac doesn't support anything beyond Monterey. Hmmm. Started thinking about future goals, productivity, mortality...you get the idea. Went to Apple today only to find out they had read my mind (no big surprise, I probably said something out loud that they picked up and marketed off of) and discovered the new 2023 M3 iMac which will be released TOMORROW. So, of course, I bought one today and THEN watched this video. Even though my process is rather backward, I'm glad to know my intuition was on target. What color? Purple. (Honestly, isn't THAT the best reason?)
Isn't that obvious? Apple has a warehouse full of these colourful accessories with lightning connector and they need to sell them before upgrading to USB-C.
I will stick with 2019 27" iMac and wait till they produce a 27" if not I can wait another 3 years then if the studio is still going I may change to that
I think you are making too big a deal of the lightning port. It has no effect on day to day use to use lightning on these low speed peripherals. They have stock of these parts and will likely switch out to USB-C when it makes sense to do so in the supply chain.
I don't know. Seems to me that someone buying the iMac does not have the very latest in everything and making it backward compatible with what most people have without buying a bunch of adaptors seems OK.
I’m new to I Mac and got the m3 this year for my wife. I haven’t been able to find anywhere online that says the refresh rate on this thing. I know that it says it supports a usb external device only at 60hz but yeah I’m confused.
Lightning accessories is a non-issue. Everyone already has one if not many usbc to lightning cables to charge them. If anything, it gives added life to those old cables. Plus, the iMac doesn't travel in your laptop bag, so this doesn't contribute to dongle life.
I agree with you that Apple failed by not changing the lightening ports to USB C. However I’m not surprised, for Apple for some time has walked away from supporting its all-in-one line of computers, the profit made by iMacs simply does not support this. More money is to be made with laptops so desktops are rock bottom priorities and I think that includes the Mac Studio for it wasn’t even included in the M3 update, nor any 27” iMac. The danger for Apple not supporting all-in-one’s and its desktops, is that people like me are going to look at less spendy, yet more full featured options in the Windows and Linux computing options. Why buy a Mac?
I think Apple is finally losing it Greg. Sad to say…. But it’s been 12 years now without Steve Jobs and they are doing dumb shit now that makes no sense. Look at the tacky hardwired power cable on the Studio Display?! Like WTAF!! Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave. No wonder Jony Ive left.
I’m with you on that . But I guarantee that 0 people buying an iMac 🖥️ care about usb-c Mac accessories, the average consumer do not care about that . Only the tech nerds do.
Wrong on the Lightning port. is still manufacturing iPhone 14s and will continue to manufacture Lightning for a few more years to service legacy devices. It’s not like they overnight switched the entire product run of the lower tier iPhone models over to USB-C. Clearly sees the transition to USB-C as just that, a transition.
An Apple silicon mini with the 27 or larger that I choose is best for me as well. The lack of an ethernet port on the base iMac is disappointing as well.
I am still using an iMac from 2011 (21.5"). I have been wanting to upgrade for about a year now but just can't decide if I want to stay with an iMac or go to the Mac Mini and a studio display. If I buy now I have to decide between an iMac 24 M3 or the Mac Mini M2 and with a 27" display. Of course there is about a $1000 diff. with some upgrades and accessories. Either one is going to be a huge upgrade from my current setup. Oh and the only stuff I do other than surf the net and a lot of RUclips is some video editing for my RUclips channel. Can I get some advice???
Why does Apple think we care about how thin a desktop computer is? I want it to be functional, not portable. I care about laptop dimensions, not desk top ones.
The Magic Mouse needs to be changed as it is not favored for my girlfriend. She actively bought a different mouse because she liked the normal mouse feel and features far more.
Easy! Apple still had A LOT of colored keyboards, mouse, etc LEFTOVERS. Mother nature asked Apple to include them with the new computer instead of recycling them…
Apple had a big warehouse full of colorful lightening accessories to unload. And lightening connectors aren’t bad for the person that will actually buy the iMac.
Will it be another 2 years before Apple updates the iMac with lightning ports? Given that the iMac was last to be updated, Apple should have given it more attention.
After seeing the iMac M3 I am still willing to buy the best 27-inch intel iMac. Better and bigger screen and the performance is quite enough for photo edition. I don't need a 30 seconds action to take 15 since I use Photoshop batches and the old iMac will cost me USD 1299 for the best configuration instead of USD 1604 (plus freight) for a 256Gb SSD and 8Gb ram.
Thank you for your video! I have been patiently waiting for the 30 inch do you think that that will come? If I build my own Mac mini, please suggest a camera and a monitor that you would recommend to put that system together. Are there any monitors with built-in cameras, thanks again for all of your information.
Is it really an inconvenience to use a cable that’s supplied with the iMac? I just don’t see this as an issue. What is really surprising me about this release is the lack of centre stage for the camera
no upgrade for me, my 2019 is still going strong. wont give up my 27" screen. maybe when they upgrade the keyboard, mouse and trackpad to usb-c & the mouse can be used while charging instead of laying upside down.
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This has to be the laziest product refresh I’ve ever seen. The fact that we didn’t get USB-C peripherals just makes me scratch my head at this point.
Te reason for not being absolutely necessary to bring the USB-C for the mouse and keyboard is that: unlike ANY device or cable you could need at an iPhone, THOSE DEVICES ARE USUALLY TO BE CONNECTED TO THAT VERY SAME COMPUTER. Usually you don’t go around anywhere bringing with your computer’s keyboard or mouse to connect them to the computer of somebody else, doesn’t that other computer you get to has already it’s own keyboard and mouse???
@@oscarexcan valid point. You actually need those cables only to charge them, and stop. I'm going to buy the new iMac M3, just waiting for some "road tests" before ordering.
Keeping my 27” 5K iMac until they bring out a new 27” or larger screen. You still see tons of 27” iMacs out there but I never see any of the new 24"
dont want to know how much wil be now for 27inch -> 3700£
I run a MacBook Pro M2 with an External 32-Inch Screen. 24 Inch is too Small for me. But i think they will not offer a bigger Screen for an iMac. There is a MacMini a MacStudio and a Studio Display…..
I guess you'll be waiting forever the 27 inch I Mac is dead has not been updated in 4 years. If you want 27 you'd have to get a Studio display and have to get another Mac to hook up to it.
@@JTB--It would be a pity if all Mac screens will be OLED with terrible PWM flickering, which is pretty bad for the eye.
I'm still waiting for a better iMac so I can upgrade my 2017 27". Really was hoping this would be the day.
Same
Same here only on a maxed out 2013 27" 🙂
Yep same here. Still on a late 2015 27" iMac and it's really starting to creak, so a bigger, better specced M3 Pro iMac would be great right about now.
Unlikely to see a 27" M-series iMac anytime soon since they launched the Mac Studio and Studio Display. I'd be thrilled to see a 30" or larger iMac Pro, but I doubt they'd ever make one in the next 3 years.
You’ll have a long wait.The larger size iMac is dead.If they were going to bring it back they would have done so by now.
Apple basically took all the 2021 machines and switched out the chips!
Keep the rants coming! Informing and entertaining!
what did you expect from a design that came out 2 years ago?
I have the M1 iMac. I don't see the point in upgrading just now as I have the M2 iPad and MacBook Air I am a bit peeved about the lighting cable not being USBC, hence why I might wait. Perhaps they will finally kill the lightning cable next year. Great video Greg.
I'm holding out for a 28 or 30 inch iMac. I currently use an Intel based 27 inch, and I can't give up the screen. I also have a 16" MacBook Pro M2 I bought last spring, so I'm not hurting for computing power when I need it. Really bummed they didn't announce a larger iMac. I suppose that's when they'll finally ditch the lightning connector. BTW, nice review!
Exactly. I won't be changing a 5k 27" screen for a 4.5k 24" either.
My worry is they will come out with a larger screen iMac, and they will call it "Pro" and charge the moon for it. Still sticking with my 8 year old 27 inch iMac.
Yes give me a 27"+ iMac if you want my money Apple. My model is 10 years old now (bought in 2015 just before the update late that year). Good point on the accessories needing lightning cables still - that seems a poor decision.
Same... though now I might just get a Studio and a 4K monitor (since the Apple 5K monitor is so expensive). I love my 27" iMac but now to upgrade, I lose that nice monitor when I want to upgrade and need a new monitor instead of just the computer itself.
Rumor is for a 32 in which is way too big for me. Ive been on 27 in also since 2013 but, since they came out with the Mac Studio and display, the sign was clear that they killed the 27 in. So I just ordered this new one. We’ll see how it goes.
the more i think it, I think they kept all the lightning accessories cause they probably have millions sitting in boxes ready to ship that have not sold with the M1 iMac, probably the reason they didn't change any of the colors of the M3 iMacs either as they probably made so many of those enclosures they need to move
probably the reason the touch bar MBP stayed in the line up for the M2 generation and only now depleted their stocks
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makes sense - supply chain plays a big role in a lot of these decisions
Correct assessment and reasoning.
With the Mac Mini and studio competing for desktop share AND Apple holding the IMac for over 2 years on M1, yeah … very likely overstock of color cases and matching keyboard and others with lighting connections.
As an iMac user for the past 10 years i will never down grade from my beloved 27 inch to an ugly 24 inch no matter what the specs are.
But. and there is a but. Eventually Apple will end support for the Intel Macs.
@@davidbailey9464Never let them know your next move: OpenCore Legacy Patcher
@@davidbailey9464 They’ve already ended support for my 2017 27” iMac and I can’t afford a new one so will have to stick with it.
I feel the exact same way.
I'm weeks away from turning 65, just one more 27 inch or bigger revamp please Apple will see me through this life, :)
@@davidbailey9464
BIGGER iMacs. Please. Thank you.
Why can’t they bring back the 27” screen back
I'm a big fan of the entry-level iMac. Sure, it has fewer features, but it is perfect for business reception, kitchen, guest room, etc. type settings, and they don't force you to pay for things you don't need (ports, ethernet, TID).
I don't see it as "less"; rather, I see it as "just what you need" for those circumstances I mentioned at the lowest price.
Good job, Apple, for recognizing the use case.
Yep, perfect for kitchens lol
Although I agree, the one thing that would have made the base model Imac perfect as that entry level mac would be 16gbs of ram. It's not even a question anymore or something that needs to be debated. Most manufacturers are doing 16gbs of ram as base even in most entry level windows laptops and computers. This day in age 8gbs really isn't enough unless you're quite literally only using it to browse the web and reply to emails. At which point, if that's the only thing you need it for why spend $1300 usd for such light use? Not to mention... they paired it with their new M3 chips. the damn thing has hardware accelerated ray tracing. so 8gbs makes absolutely zero sense for such a powerful chip.
I bought a device that increases the height of a Magic Mouse and adds a wifi charging coil to the base. It connects to the mouse through the Lightning port which also helps to locate the mouse in the frame of the "embiggener." It charges the mouse and disconnects the Bluetooth by placing in on any Qi or MagSafe-compatible charging surface. The mouse is more comfortable to hold because it's further away from the desk.
It's pretty clear that Apple intends to stick with the Studio Mac and Display as a replacement to the 27" iMac. The 24" iMac (spec-wise) is clearly intended for casual users, though it can comfortably handle standard photo and video workflows.
Yep. That’s what I’ve been using for the last couple years (M1 Mac Studio + Studio Display). Glad I didn’t hold my breath for an iMac Pro. (A shame, cuz I loved my old 27” Intel-based iMac.)
Given that the M1 iMac preceded the Apple Studio Display, why then did not the latter get two Thunderbolt and two USB-C as fitted to the higher-level iMacs instead of one Thunderbolt and three USB-Cs?
@@PeterEmery 5k resolution bandwidth is 22 Gbps. Thunderbolt 3 & 4 support 40 Gbps. That would leave 18 Gbps bandwidth for the remaining ports and the FaceTime camera. Each of the USB-C ports support 10 Gbps, but will be lower to the aggregate 18 Gbps if all three ports are in use for data.
Apple is still shipping machines with 8 gigs of ram. Mindboggling.
After 10 years (2013) I bought a new one today; the second model he showed in green. This is my third one. Always have been happy with them and each time better!
Lmk how you like it my moms gonna get one (she hasn’t updated hers in 10 years too)
Mines is the 2012 model, this will be my 2nd iMac. It’s an upgrade for me, so I’m happy 😃
@@justand928 it’s a major (!) update for us! When the M1 came out, I thought: the second one will be an improved one, and not only the CPU. I hope this one will last for an other 10 years.
Not only the cable issue, what engineer thought it was a good idea to have the charge port on the bottom of the mouse?
My guess would be that Apple doesn’t want users to end up using the mouse with the charger plugged in as this would negatively impact Apple’s aesthetic and design
If only they would come out with a mouse that had a usb-c connection on the side. That would be such an improvement. I use a Kensington bluetooth trackball with mine, rechargeable batteries. I still have my 27" iMac from 2019 and I don't care how much more powerful the M3 is, the 24" screen isn't big enough. If they want me to buy a new iMac they need to sell one with a 27" or larger screen.
wrong 23inch
@@adredy Huh? It's called the 24" iMac by Apple. The actual diagonal size of the screen is 23.5". It is not 23". If you're going to correct people at least get the facts right.
I’d wager they kept the lightning port accessories because of a surplus of the older designed accessories, especially since they’re color matched. We’ll probably see USB-C accessories for the standard OTS silver keyboard/mouse/trackpad first, possibly alongside a redesign of those products. The Apple TV remote was likely an easy change because the bottom panel the port goes through is removed with just two tiny screws and doesn’t involve a huge redesign of the product. I imagine they want to run through their supply of color matched components with the lightning cutout before swapping over.
Well Greg, I am the owner of the last iteration of the 2019 Intel 21.5” iMac with the 6core cpu. So, yes I am planning on upgrading this desktop, because this is my wife’s main computer at home, and my M2 MBA smokes it!
I am planning on getting the top tier M3 iMac with 16gb ram, and 1T SSD and in her favorite color, purple. We typically keep our computers about 5 years before upgrading them, so this should satisfy that criteria.
Same situation
...only selling 24 inch iMacs is already confusing enough!
Hopefully an iMac Pro next time.
It’s disappointing
Hopefully a regular larger 27” iMac next time - it doesn’t have to be Pro….
I know the consensus among the tech RUclipsrs is that they should have upgraded the peripherals to USB C, but I am definitely the target audience that made them stay with lightening. I don't plan on upgrading my iPhone 13 anytime soon so I like still using lightening. This is a case where tech RUclipsrs don't get that most of the consumer market is a couple years behind with their devices a lot of the time.
My sentiments exactly. I still own the iPhone 13 and this M3 iMac is coming in a weeks time and I should be just fine.
They probably left Lighting so they can get rid of a lot of back-stock. They probably have an iMac refresh ready but will only release it once they get rid of more of their old stock
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I really love my M1 Blue iMac with the white bezels. I think the colour selections are beautiful and unique and pay respect to Mac designs of the past. I also love the 24 inch monitor but if they did a 27 inch one I would like that one too. I am a bit shocked too that there was no move to the USB C ports. The M1 performs fast enough and is a great machine but it does not have that "ray tracing" feature that the new M3 iMac has and I think there was another feature dealing with graphics that the M3 has the M1 does not.
I was more disappointed by the upside down charging of the mouse still there. Maybe next year they will offer M3 Pro and Max options on a 27" iMac? One could hope.
Don’t understand why they don’t have a mouse that charges similar to MagSafe…..especially since no lighting after next year
it’s gotta be a move to clear out existing inventory of lightning accessories. As someone that’s refused to buy anything lightning for the last couple years, I’m fully committed to having usb-c everything and it’s been sooo nice just using the same cable for everything I own. So glad I can finally include my iPhone in that
Still satisfied with my 2010 27" iMac which I upgraded to 24GB memory. It was ahead of it's time.
Thanks for sharing. I’m disappointed with no upgrade to the accessories. Blessings on your day!
Almost perfect except not getting a 27" iMac included ... Very upsetting as I'm still using my 27" 5K Retina display iMac from 2017 and still works fine.
Yep. Orange $1499.00 model. But I agree with you. Should have been USB-C. BTW, getting rid of my 8 year old intel.
I would have liked a silver option with a black bezel, usually Apple design trends grow on me after a few years, but I still don’t like the white bezel.
100%. I’ve hated that white bezel from the get go. It’d only look good if the iMac itself was white.
The base 2 port model also probably lacks the cooling fan that directly cools the SOC. that was the case with the M1 and probably the case here. The base model is passively cooled like the MacBook Air.
there’s basically no reason that they couldn’t have put the M3 Pro in the 24 inch iMac
also, can they please give us a 27 or 32 inch iMac?
Hey Greg! The usual question again: since I plan on keeping my new M3 iMac for a long time, where should I put extra cash: Ram or storage ? The minimum, I guess is 16gb of Ram and 512 Gb ssd… but I usually keep my iMacs (it will be my 5th!) between 7-8 years. Previously, I would have upgraded the machine along the way (when it slowed down) ❤but it’s not an option anymore. 24 gb of ram or 1Tb of storage ? I can’t afford both.
You can use external storage, but you can't use external ram. With a macbook external drives can become a portability nightmare, but with a desktop computer external drives are quite convenient. Sure, the computer needs enough storage for the apps you're installing and running; but large items like your Photos library or media projects can be worked with directly from an external drive.
I’d say 16GB and 1TB internal storage is a sweet spot. I have all my apps on the local drive, as well as my work folder on my mini M2 Pro. That has a Time Machine backup and I have two mirrored cheaper external NVME SSDs for other stuff. Works like a dream.
I think the view that they are trying to offload the old units by just putting in the new chips, is correct. How many of those do you think they have to offload before we get a newer design, but with the M3 chip?
I plan on buying the new iMac, my old 2015 iMac needs to go into retirement. I am a simple iMac user, I don't understand all the teccy stuff, I use it essentially for photos. The thing that has disappointed me about the new iMac is the absence of the card reader. I will now have to connect something to the iMac for the sd card. So this beautiful, elegant, sleek design is now going to be spoilt by 'bits and pieces' being attached. I think I am alone with this view because it never gets mentioned when people review the iMac. It's not the end of the world, just a nuisance.
I just want an iMac with their M2 Pro or Max chip - I could even be okay with a screen smaller than 27 inches...I have been holding onto my Intel based 27 inch iMac and was wanting to upgrade when the first M1 chip came out but I just can't "upgrade" to the base chip - I really want the M3 Pro chip in my iMac...I do not want a laptop and do not want to have to buy a monitor - I LOVE the iMac and am incredibly frustrated that there is not a beefier iMac anymore...am going to try to keep my Intel 27 inch iMac alive for another cycle it looks like...
So basically Apple had too much inventory, so they reached out to the marketing department and they suggested just switch out the motherboard and rename it. Got it
Let me play devils advocate here for a minute, the convenience of having lightning or USB-C for your Mac accessories is that you can plug your iPhone in using the same cable. The target audience, for the 24” iMac is not tech enthusiast, they’ve made it very clear that they are targeting casual computer users in the home and Office where having a computer that looks nice is more critical than having a super powerful machine. The people that are not huge Teck enthusiast are the same people that don’t normally upgrade their phone every year, more like every 2 to 3 years with their phone plans. So if you’re targeting that group of people, then the majority of them probably are not switching to the USB-C iPhone for another year or three, so continuing to sell a computer that matches the phone they’re more than likely going to have for another year makes sense. not to mention the financial incentive to use lightning which they make a 30% commission on. I would wager that in about a year or so. They will probably update the accessories that you can buy in the store and update accessories that come in the box to USB-C as iPhones with lightning begin to phase out of the US market.
I just ordered the M3 iMac to replace my 2017 iMac. I don't use my computer for video editing, etc. so I think this will be perfect for my use. Hopefully it will last another 7 or 8 years!
Even if you did edit video it will work great 👍 Christmas come early for you.
Yes I need to upgrade my slow dying 21 inch 2009 iMac to the new M3 …I’ve been waiting for this day !
I will be ordering one soon
Base model? Any upgrades?
@@adampeacock7992 The only upgrade I got was the larger SSD. And it's supposed to arrive soon!
Still don’t understand why the mouse isn’t just converted to wireless charging? It could sit on a charging pad whenever you walk away .. and not doing the iMac .. got an M2 MacMini
I just ordered a 2023 M3 base IMac for my 81 year old mother. She’ll only use it for basic household computing tasks so it should be a dream machine for her.
Hopefully work better than my late 2013 21.5 inch that’s running like a snail now
No M3 Pro option, no screen enhancements, no supersize option. No thank you.
Absolutely.. my 27" 2011 iMac is just waiting for a 27" M3 iMac to replace it... But I'm not getting anything with a lightning connector.. again! On top of that, they have avoided calling the base model chip the BINNED VERSION... out of the TRASH, THAT IS..!
27” and 32 GB pleeeeeeeez!!!!
No problem with lightning.
I'm a Mac mini M2 Pro person. The iMac is for households who want a computer appliance. No thinking about Monitors, Keyboards or mice.
Issues with connectors have never entered my mind.
The simple answer is supply. They'll phase lightning out in 3 years. It's basic inventory management.
They have to clean accessories stock first, they produce many accessories with lighting port 👀
It is disappointing that the entry level M3 iMacs have a single slow 256 Gb flash module and only have 8 Gb of RAM. The cost of giving these iMacs the 512 Gb SSDs and the 16 Gb of RAM that is universal in PCs in this price range is $400 which is unreasonable given the fact that the component cost of this upgrade is only around $100. Also most outlets only sell base models of Macs and iPhones and so it will not be possible to go into any high street store and come away with a properly configured M1/M2/M3 Mac with a 512 Gb SSD and 16 Gb of RAM.
M2 Mac mini with LG QHD screen > M3 Imac for budget consumers.
Apple declared themselves “courageous” for removing the headphone jack from the iPhone. Can we declare them “lazy” for keeping the lightning jacks on the accessories?
My guess is apple’s 2023 accessories with lightning still onboard are all about using up the old stock , it would probably be a fair bet next year these will all be the newer usb standard.
That old Lightning port stock has to be used somewhere…
I just bought it for the display. Got the blue 1299 one.
I’m planning to get one before year ends, which m3 iMacs to buy by watching Netflix RUclips videos browsing and checking emails.
Looking forward to my delivery this coming week, I'm sure I'll love it!
it's not bizarre. Apple has already ordered X amount of iMac to be manufactured and they just have to clear all the stocks before they can shift to USB-C.
The biggest design mistake ever is that you have to stop working when you have to charge the mouse. Why the hell did they put the port on the bottom?
I’m not interested at all in a 24 inch iMac. I’m hoping there will be a 27 inch M3 iMac coming out very soon because I can’t go down to 24 inches after using a 27 inch for the last three years. One more picky item is, they really need to get rid of the white bezel.
I don’t see that M2 iMac you were talking about.
Greg.....I thought your complaint was going to be that they didn't upgrade the display size. I'm still chugging along with my 24" M1 16GB model.
I'm psychic:) Tried to update my software a few days ago and found that my "late 2015" I Mac doesn't support anything beyond Monterey. Hmmm. Started thinking about future goals, productivity, mortality...you get the idea. Went to Apple today only to find out they had read my mind (no big surprise, I probably said something out loud that they picked up and marketed off of) and discovered the new 2023 M3 iMac which will be released TOMORROW. So, of course, I bought one today and THEN watched this video. Even though my process is rather backward, I'm glad to know my intuition was on target. What color? Purple. (Honestly, isn't THAT the best reason?)
Isn't that obvious? Apple has a warehouse full of these colourful accessories with lightning connector and they need to sell them before upgrading to USB-C.
Apple must have a team to figure out how to cripple any Mac to keep it from being one that's as good as it can be.
I will stick with 2019 27" iMac and wait till they produce a 27" if not I can wait another 3 years then if the studio is still going I may change to that
I think you are making too big a deal of the lightning port. It has no effect on day to day use to use lightning on these low speed peripherals. They have stock of these parts and will likely switch out to USB-C when it makes sense to do so in the supply chain.
If they only offered a 27"+ iMac!
I don't know. Seems to me that someone buying the iMac does not have the very latest in everything and making it backward compatible with what most people have without buying a bunch of adaptors seems OK.
Does the base m3 imac have 2 fans? Or just one like the base m1 imac model? 😢
I will wait until an M4/M5 iMac. My base M1 MBA is still a perfect day to day computer.
I wonder if they just have a ton of spare lightning port devices?
I couldn't agree more. IMO buying an apple product that still uses lightning cables in the year 2023 is just a bad investment.
I’m new to I Mac and got the m3 this year for my wife. I haven’t been able to find anywhere online that says the refresh rate on this thing. I know that it says it supports a usb external device only at 60hz but yeah I’m confused.
Lightning accessories is a non-issue. Everyone already has one if not many usbc to lightning cables to charge them. If anything, it gives added life to those old cables. Plus, the iMac doesn't travel in your laptop bag, so this doesn't contribute to dongle life.
I agree with you that Apple failed by not changing the lightening ports to USB C. However I’m not surprised, for Apple for some time has walked away from supporting its all-in-one line of computers, the profit made by iMacs simply does not support this. More money is to be made with laptops so desktops are rock bottom priorities and I think that includes the Mac Studio for it wasn’t even included in the M3 update, nor any 27” iMac. The danger for Apple not supporting all-in-one’s and its desktops, is that people like me are going to look at less spendy, yet more full featured options in the Windows and Linux computing options. Why buy a Mac?
They can put an M25 in it for all I care - while it’s still only a 24” then I’ll keep my 27” iMac. How hard can it be Apple?
I think Apple is finally losing it Greg. Sad to say…. But it’s been 12 years now without Steve Jobs and they are doing dumb shit now that makes no sense. Look at the tacky hardwired power cable on the Studio Display?! Like WTAF!! Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave. No wonder Jony Ive left.
Still too small a monitor. I will hold out on my 8 year old 27 inch imac.
I’m with you on that . But I guarantee that 0 people buying an iMac 🖥️ care about usb-c Mac accessories, the average consumer do not care about that . Only the tech nerds do.
Wrong on the Lightning port. is still manufacturing iPhone 14s and will continue to manufacture Lightning for a few more years to service legacy devices. It’s not like they overnight switched the entire product run of the lower tier iPhone models over to USB-C. Clearly sees the transition to USB-C as just that, a transition.
I want an iMac but I can’t stand the 24”. So I went with the Mac mini just so I can have a more reasonably sized screen.
An Apple silicon mini with the 27 or larger that I choose is best for me as well. The lack of an ethernet port on the base iMac is disappointing as well.
I am still using an iMac from 2011 (21.5"). I have been wanting to upgrade for about a year now but just can't decide if I want to stay with an iMac or go to the Mac Mini and a studio display. If I buy now I have to decide between an iMac 24 M3 or the Mac Mini M2 and with a 27" display. Of course there is about a $1000 diff. with some upgrades and accessories. Either one is going to be a huge upgrade from my current setup. Oh and the only stuff I do other than surf the net and a lot of RUclips is some video editing for my RUclips channel. Can I get some advice???
iMac 24 M3 already overkill for your needs.
Why does Apple think we care about how thin a desktop computer is? I want it to be functional, not portable. I care about laptop dimensions, not desk top ones.
The Magic Mouse needs to be changed as it is not favored for my girlfriend. She actively bought a different mouse because she liked the normal mouse feel and features far more.
Easy! Apple still had A LOT of colored keyboards, mouse, etc LEFTOVERS. Mother nature asked Apple to include them with the new computer instead of recycling them…
Apple had a big warehouse full of colorful lightening accessories to unload. And lightening connectors aren’t bad for the person that will actually buy the iMac.
Will it be another 2 years before Apple updates the iMac with lightning ports? Given that the iMac was last to be updated, Apple should have given it more attention.
the imac has usb-c ports
After seeing the iMac M3 I am still willing to buy the best 27-inch intel iMac. Better and bigger screen and the performance is quite enough for photo edition. I don't need a 30 seconds action to take 15 since I use Photoshop batches and the old iMac will cost me USD 1299 for the best configuration instead of USD 1604 (plus freight) for a 256Gb SSD and 8Gb ram.
Are *Apple* accessories the only things with lightening ports? What about external hard disks etc?
why only 2TB max memory? i got a 2TB imac in 2011
Thank you for your video!
I have been patiently waiting for the 30 inch do you think that that will come? If I build my own Mac mini, please suggest a camera and a monitor that you would recommend to put that system together. Are there any monitors with built-in cameras, thanks again for all of your information.
Is it really an inconvenience to use a cable that’s supplied with the iMac? I just don’t see this as an issue. What is really surprising me about this release is the lack of centre stage for the camera
They obviously have a large inventory of unsold lightning accessories. So no USB-C for iMac. Simple as that.
hi! can you use the imac as a monitor with a macbook pro? thanks!!
24 inch is just to small. M3 is nice but a pro would make more sense and could be a gamer Mac.
please explain Ethernet LAN cable port option thus do we need to purchase $1499 model to get a port for ethernet?
I wish Apple would make more black computers and iPads.
Loved your review! You had me full on going crazy with your about the cable port haha
no upgrade for me, my 2019 is still going strong. wont give up my 27" screen. maybe when they upgrade the keyboard, mouse and trackpad to usb-c & the mouse can be used while charging instead of laying upside down.