You have too laugh they really think they know the law Thankgod I came across this community and I now know my rights Big up society x big up NNY Big up live free sending love ♥️♥️♥️
A COUPLE OF DECENT PLOD FOR A CHANGE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE JUST WISH MORE OF THEM WERE LIKE THESE FELLAS HATS OFF TO THEM 👍👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 AND YOUR TYPICAL THICK SECURITY WITH ZERO CLUE OF THE ACTUAL LAW JUST BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE TOLD AND THEY WONDER WHY THE ONLY JOB THEY CAN GET IS STANDING AROUND IN HI VIZ CLOTHING 🤷🏻♂️ TAKE CARE AND STAY SAFE LADS 👍👊
Why...... Surely its better to film on a public right of way, where you have a right to film. Filming on private property isn't "allowed" unless the owners allow you. You are not defending any rights cos there aren't any..!
Nuff respect to them two coppers outside, thats exactly how you should engage a member of the public! With respect and decorum, not with arrogance and anger
The question never asked is why? Regardless of public access and even if it is private property why do they object to filming? What is their objection?
Playing those old tricks are they? Stand your ground gentlemen as I'm sure your in the right ( don't get in trouble taking my advice though ). Respect.
Just about everywhere in the UK is private property. Even the pavements are private property - they are owned by the council. That the council is elected by the public doesn't make the pavements public. What does makes make the "public" is the fact that someone can't be trespassed from the pavements or highways. So the whole argument that being on private property and therefore recording is not allowed is wrong. And because it's wrong, they approached you and accused you unnecessarily and it could be argued that they interfered with your human rights. Railway bylaws do not ban photography. What they do cover is harassment and disruption of other people using the station and trains. And a camera is immaterial to that.
@@kevinwright5081 Incorrect. Public footpaths are ones which the public can walk on them without restrictions. Any other footpath can be used by the public, but there might in very rare cases be some restrictions. Public footpaths is just a legal term to denote those paths that once defined can't be changed. A private footpath becomes a public footpath after 20 years of use by the public unless a sign indicating otherwise is put up and maintained for ever or until the private footpath is removed or moved.
Dose any money come from the public purse to pay towards that building ( yes or no ) If 1 pence goes towards that building then the people have a vested interest in it and every right to use it. And if any man or woman wishes to give another man or woman orders then get your cheque book out
Carry a laminate copy of ACPO. ACPOS (Scotland). This is guidance on public filming. Section 33 of The Criminal Justice Act 1972 states on public places, ' Any highway, premisis or place at which material time the public have access or are permitted to have access whether on payment or otherwise, private property whilst it is open to the public IS a public place.'
Just another excuse for wielding "power" over the Freemen of the UK. Filming cannot cause any problems to anyone. This is just another excellent reason to NEVER waste your money paying for public transport.
There are cameras all over , so what's good for the goose is good for the gander... Do you ask OUR permission to video us? Kiss my Ass ill film everywhere. Why do Mothercare bouncers act like hard men when in a group?
Its publicly accessible so public property during opening hours so you don't need permission or special permission and the threat of camera confiscation, try, you need the permission of a judge to confiscate a camera and that includes the police as well as jumped up nobody's with a hi viz vest. Then using the "we are told" so who is telling you and is what they telling you correct and they cannot remove you from a public space and they suddenly need an explanation, you don't need to explain a lawful activity and the Naziz said they were doing their job and they were all hung or shot.
5:20 Saying "Haven't you nought better to do" is very demeaning and rude and intrusive into your private life. If you want to pass your time filming that's your prerogative. He has no right or authority to make that statement. It's also very unprofessional and impacts on the image of the train station.
I don’t know what there is that they don’t want photographed, seems rather stupid. Private property can be a public place for as long as the owners permit it. The owner,or his agent can close it ,ban people,decide on the activities etc because although the public are allowed in at various times the property is still privately owned. The only place that people have absolute freedom re legal activities is in the public streets or their own home.
And if the owners don't want you filming they tell you to stop. And if you don't, they CAN chuck you out. That's not really "allowed" in my understanding.
@@budgetnuclearweapons7858 It is allowed for as long as the owner allows it. Although the public are allowed in,without any qualification, the owner has the right to set his own rules . If you break those rules then the owner can ask you to stop doing it or leave. If you don’t leave he can use reasonable force to eject you. If you resist you could commit an offence. That’s why it is advisable to ask a Constable to attend to prevent a breach of the peace. It is not a Constables duty to actually eject a trespasser in normal circumstances.
@@forthfarean The public are not "allowed in without qualification" that's just nonsense. Its called "permissive access". It means there is no legal right to enter but the owners of the property give you permission.
@3:14 another misinterpretation of section 33 by someone who has not bothered to read the whole act and is just spouting the same rubbish as all the others
@@SocietyXUK thanks for your question. Section 33 as it is written, forms part of the criminal justice act as you know. But if you read it further in depth you realise the the Definition of a public place was put in the revised form 33 Extension of definition of " public place " in Public Order Act 1936 For the definition of " Public place " in section 9(1) of the [1936 c. 6 (1 Edw. 8 & 1 Geo. 6).] Public Order Act 1936 there shall be substituted- “" Public place " includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise”. For the definition of "Public place" insection9(1)ofExtension of the Public OrderAct 1936 there shall be substituted - So reading public order act 1936 you will see: Interpretation, &c. (1)In this Act the following expressions have the meanings hereby respectively assigned to them, that is to say:- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . F14 “Meeting” means a meeting held for the purpose of the discussion of matters of public interest or for the purpose of the expression of views on such matters; “Private premises” means premises to which the public have access (whether on payment or otherwise) only by permission of the owner, occupier, or lessee of the premises; “Public meeting” includes any meeting in a public place and any meeting which the public or any section thereof are permitted to attend, whether on payment or otherwise; [F15“Public place” includes any highway [F16, or in Scotland any road within the meaning of the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984] and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise.] So you will notice “Private premises” means premises to which the public have access (whether on payment or otherwise) only by permission of the owner, occupier, or lessee of the premises; note only by permission. Going on to private land without permission you have no right to be there. The “public place” part of the act it to enable the police to use the public order act on private property. If you were in a private place (other then a residents (yours or someone else’s)) and you were swearing and meeting all the grounds to be arrested under the said act. You can’t use it was a “private place” defence. When it’s is quoted in so many videos all that’s happening is they are reminding the police of the part of the act to use against them. Granted not many officers are aware of the full wording and subsections and it’s power and are a bit taken aback by acts being quoted at them. One day some one will meet an officer that is aware. please don’t rely on the fact others are spouting section 33 and believe they know the whole act.
The population of Ukraine is approximately 41million, the Ethnically Russian population of Ukraine is approximately 9 million! The Crimea region is over 54% ethnically Russian and Sevastopol is over 78% ethnically Russian! The disputed Donbass Region is over 64% ethnically Russian but Ukraine want to impose NATO onto the 1in 4 Persecuted Ethnically Russian Population living in Ukraine! Ethnic Cleansing? Remember "Diversity is our Strength!" Until it's Not!
Your argument is naive. People could come on this post & say, filming in public. How can you do that with Global Warming. The World is being destroyed & all you can do is film. Or how about thousands of people are fleeing persecution & getting onto boats & risking lives in the Med, & all you can think about is filming. Or Thousands of people are dying every day in Africa because of starvation & all you are thinking about is filming at a station Or hundreds of people are dying in Yemen whilst the saudis continue to allow human suffering & fail to allow humanitarian aid. Or What about the Civil war in Mali. The french have tens of thousands of troops involved. Never mentioned in uk news, but millions suffering. How can you film a station with all this going on ? We could go on forever. People will always find a reason not to film
Everyone seems to be an armchair expert in Russia/Ukraine all of a sudden. All I can say is, the past couple of years has taught us that MSM doesn’t always show us the full picture. In fact, MSM isn’t always honest. Take everything with a pinch of salt and question everything.
Ignorance to the law is a bitch to those who try to enforce it!!
A tort.
2 real coppers brill . Like a needle in a haystack 🤣
No wonder terrorised can do the things they do when security is worried about a man with a camera instead of watching out for the public’s safety
Look at all those people blatantly walking through private property - security aint that good!
You have too laugh they really think they know the law
Thankgod I came across this community and I now know my rights
Big up society x big up NNY
Big up live free sending love ♥️♥️♥️
Big respect standing your ground!
You'll be confiscating nothing!!!
A COUPLE OF DECENT PLOD FOR A CHANGE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE JUST WISH MORE OF THEM WERE LIKE THESE FELLAS HATS OFF TO THEM 👍👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 AND YOUR TYPICAL THICK SECURITY WITH ZERO CLUE OF THE ACTUAL LAW JUST BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE TOLD AND THEY WONDER WHY THE ONLY JOB THEY CAN GET IS STANDING AROUND IN HI VIZ CLOTHING 🤷🏻♂️ TAKE CARE AND STAY SAFE LADS 👍👊
That's a lot of money spent on High Viz vests to decorate the foyer of a railway station! Pot plants would be more attractive and way cheaper!
The Noonan aggressive thug needs a lesson if anyone does he fancies himself as Rambo , a proper lesson
I like your demeanor. You remain cool, professional and polite. Well done 👍✅👍😎
Good cops.Thats what the public want.
I want no cops
Great work guys and it's nice to see descent cops 👏👏👏
Glad you enjoyed it
Even the police can't touch your equipment without a court order and reasonable suspicion
Or a sect 43.
We are filming to demonstrate the ignorance of the law amongst the public and police officers.
Why......
Surely its better to film on a public right of way, where you have a right to film.
Filming on private property isn't "allowed" unless the owners allow you.
You are not defending any rights cos there aren't any..!
Great video,people can learn a lot from watching your videos and how you handle people, respect society x
Nuff respect to them two coppers outside, thats exactly how you should engage a member of the public! With respect and decorum, not with arrogance and anger
That response simply demonstrates an unbelievable level of ignorance.
The question never asked is why? Regardless of public access and even if it is private property why do they object to filming? What is their objection?
We’re only doing our job! That rings a fucking bell.....
That company Stagecoach are a right bunch of Cowboys !
I get it.. 😂🤣😂🤣
Just down the street from where you was, is where PC Samson smashed the young lad over the head with his baton, and scared him from life.
wish id thought to ask about that
He topped himself a couple of week ago before going to trial.
They just dont like their guilty mugs on camera
6 months jail for not displaying sia badge.. none of them did
Playing those old tricks are they? Stand your ground gentlemen as I'm sure your in the right ( don't get in trouble taking my advice though ). Respect.
Innocent until proven guilty before a lawful court of record trial by jury
So if the man who acts sometimes as
Just about everywhere in the UK is private property. Even the pavements are private property - they are owned by the council. That the council is elected by the public doesn't make the pavements public. What does makes make the "public" is the fact that someone can't be trespassed from the pavements or highways. So the whole argument that being on private property and therefore recording is not allowed is wrong. And because it's wrong, they approached you and accused you unnecessarily and it could be argued that they interfered with your human rights.
Railway bylaws do not ban photography. What they do cover is harassment and disruption of other people using the station and trains. And a camera is immaterial to that.
Incorrect public foot paths are public because if they were private you could not walk on them.
@@kevinwright5081 Incorrect. Public footpaths are ones which the public can walk on them without restrictions. Any other footpath can be used by the public, but there might in very rare cases be some restrictions.
Public footpaths is just a legal term to denote those paths that once defined can't be changed. A private footpath becomes a public footpath after 20 years of use by the public unless a sign indicating otherwise is put up and maintained for ever or until the private footpath is removed or moved.
thanks for your videos... it is sad to see the escalation of police harrasment, I just hope we don´t end up like in America.
You gotta love these security though think they work for MI5! 🤣
Brilliant just brilliant well done matey thank you
The coppers couldn’t have been better,nice to see.
Dose any money come from the public purse to pay towards that building ( yes or no )
If 1 pence goes towards that building then the people have a vested interest in it and every right to use it. And if any man or woman wishes to give another man or woman orders then get your cheque book out
Where are their SIA licenses?
give them a hi vizz and they think they rule the world
Security are Mincers.
Special permission lol 😆 🤣 😜
Life sucks when you are on minimum wage and wear Hi Viz. Bwahahaha suckers.
Noonan security a gangster company 💯
Security guard saying he can take your camera is ridiculous!
Carry a laminate copy of ACPO. ACPOS (Scotland). This is guidance on public filming. Section 33 of The Criminal Justice Act 1972 states on public places, ' Any highway, premisis or place at which material time the public have access or are permitted to have access whether on payment or otherwise, private property whilst it is open to the public IS a public place.'
Special permission off stagecoach??! Hahaha
Excellent stuff again
Just another excuse for wielding "power" over the Freemen of the UK. Filming cannot cause any problems to anyone. This is just another excellent reason to NEVER waste your money paying for public transport.
You missed an opportunity. The police were standing next to you. I would have reported the security guys for harassment.
waste of time mate, best to just upload and move on as theyll see it and the police told them to move on
So when you find me filming in your back garden and tell me to get lost...
I can report YOU for harassing me?
Behave.....
There are cameras all over , so what's good for the goose is good for the gander... Do you ask OUR permission to video us? Kiss my Ass ill film everywhere. Why do Mothercare bouncers act like hard men when in a group?
6:00 - Investigative Reporter
5:05 Approaching someone and getting very close to them is aggressive. Its also an attempt at intimidation.
I'd Like to see him try and take my camera.
Was good to see some respectful n helpful plod
You can look but you mustn't remember what you've seen.
8:00 - Reflective vests on police ... wow brilliant for safety. ...
He doesn't need your permission
lol
Hi viz states 'it,s just what were told' so do you believe everything your told and more to the point is it factual what you are being told
The cops were so good for a change
If something negative happens they will be asking the public if they have any video of the event.
If you can commit a public order offence on private land than it ain’t private
If it is open to the public then you can. In the same way that you can get DUI when in a Tesco car park.
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Randomly found this. Is that NNY I can hear?! 👊
Sure is! i'm glad you found me
Its publicly accessible so public property during opening hours so you don't need permission or special permission and the threat of camera confiscation, try, you need the permission of a judge to confiscate a camera and that includes the police as well as jumped up nobody's with a hi viz vest. Then using the "we are told" so who is telling you and is what they telling you correct and they cannot remove you from a public space and they suddenly need an explanation, you don't need to explain a lawful activity and the Naziz said they were doing their job and they were all hung or shot.
Garbage....learn the law by studying, not listening to auditing BS.
5:20 Saying "Haven't you nought better to do" is very demeaning and rude and intrusive into your private life. If you want to pass your time filming that's your prerogative. He has no right or authority to make that statement. It's also very unprofessional and impacts on the image of the train station.
I don’t know what there is that they don’t want photographed, seems rather stupid. Private property can be a public place for as long as the owners permit it. The owner,or his agent can close it ,ban people,decide on the activities etc because although the public are allowed in at various times the property is still privately owned. The only place that people have absolute freedom re legal activities is in the public streets or their own home.
And if the owners don't want you filming they tell you to stop. And if you don't, they CAN chuck you out. That's not really "allowed" in my understanding.
@@budgetnuclearweapons7858 It is allowed for as long as the owner allows it. Although the public are allowed in,without any qualification, the owner has the right to set his own rules . If you break those rules then the owner can ask you to stop doing it or leave. If you don’t leave he can use reasonable force to eject you. If you resist you could commit an offence. That’s why it is advisable to ask a Constable to attend to prevent a breach of the peace. It is not a Constables duty to actually eject a trespasser in normal circumstances.
@@forthfarean The public are not "allowed in without qualification" that's just nonsense. Its called "permissive access". It means there is no legal right to enter but the owners of the property give you permission.
Give a goon a Hi vis 🤡
Crap, due to wind noise.
Hello and thank you
Thank you too
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No they can't under common law legal legislation legalese statutes act aren't law research it
wow using a gangsters name for a security company?
You what🙈
Clowns
@3:14 another misinterpretation of section 33 by someone who has not bothered to read the whole act and is just spouting the same rubbish as all the others
Can you please give us the correct information
@@SocietyXUK thanks for your question. Section 33 as it is written, forms part of the criminal justice act as you know.
But if you read it further in depth you realise the the Definition of a public place was put in the revised form 33 Extension of definition of " public place " in Public Order Act 1936
For the definition of " Public place " in section 9(1) of the [1936 c. 6 (1 Edw. 8 & 1 Geo. 6).] Public Order Act 1936 there shall be substituted-
“" Public place " includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise”.
For the definition of "Public place" insection9(1)ofExtension of the Public OrderAct 1936 there shall be substituted -
So reading public order act 1936 you will see:
Interpretation, &c.
(1)In this Act the following expressions have the meanings hereby respectively assigned to them, that is to say:-
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . F14
“Meeting” means a meeting held for the purpose of the discussion of matters of public interest or for the purpose of the expression of views on such matters;
“Private premises” means premises to which the public have access (whether on payment or otherwise) only by permission of the owner, occupier, or lessee of the premises;
“Public meeting” includes any meeting in a public place and any meeting which the public or any section thereof are permitted to attend, whether on payment or otherwise;
[F15“Public place” includes any highway [F16, or in Scotland any road within the meaning of the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984] and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise.]
So you will notice
“Private premises” means premises to which the public have access (whether on payment or otherwise) only by permission of the owner, occupier, or lessee of the premises; note only by permission.
Going on to private land without permission you have no right to be there.
The “public place” part of the act it to enable the police to use the public order act on private property.
If you were in a private place (other then a residents (yours or someone else’s)) and you were swearing and meeting all the grounds to be arrested under the said act. You can’t use it was a “private place” defence.
When it’s is quoted in so many videos all that’s happening is they are reminding the police of the part of the act to use against them.
Granted not many officers are aware of the full wording and subsections and it’s power and are a bit taken aback by acts being quoted at them.
One day some one will meet an officer that is aware.
please don’t rely on the fact others are spouting section 33 and believe they know the whole act.
War in Ukraine while you guys do this, give it a break man use your platform to focus on real things for the time being, just saying....
The population of Ukraine is approximately 41million, the Ethnically Russian population of Ukraine is approximately 9 million! The Crimea region is over 54% ethnically Russian and Sevastopol is over 78% ethnically Russian! The disputed Donbass Region is over 64% ethnically Russian but Ukraine want to impose NATO onto the 1in 4 Persecuted Ethnically Russian Population living in Ukraine! Ethnic Cleansing? Remember "Diversity is our Strength!" Until it's Not!
The grey in the rainbow!.😂
Your argument is naive. People could come on this post & say, filming in public. How can you do that with Global Warming. The World is being destroyed & all you can do is film.
Or how about thousands of people are fleeing persecution & getting onto boats & risking lives in the Med, & all you can think about is filming.
Or Thousands of people are dying every day in Africa because of starvation & all you are thinking about is filming at a station
Or hundreds of people are dying in Yemen whilst the saudis continue to allow human suffering & fail to allow humanitarian aid.
Or What about the Civil war in Mali. The french have tens of thousands of troops involved. Never mentioned in uk news, but millions suffering. How can you film a station with all this going on ?
We could go on forever. People will always find a reason not to film
Everyone seems to be an armchair expert in Russia/Ukraine all of a sudden.
All I can say is, the past couple of years has taught us that MSM doesn’t always show us the full picture.
In fact, MSM isn’t always honest.
Take everything with a pinch of salt and question everything.
@@joseywales3789 thank you very much for the education, always more going on than the mainstream media try to impose on us.☘️
Cracking cops there but X you need to get a better camera.
yes, i have done now mate