Obviously, I don’t hate it, But I really don’t like the Rwby series is just isn’t healthy, reminds me, and ruins life, so I just can’t stand listening to Rwby remind is make me Frustrated, so I just draw design Rwby, all character design was horrible… so I’m done watching it and I never watched it ever again. Then I just want to figure out about rebooting Rwby fanfic, just wanna be better by myself. Trying to be like the epic dramatic real world, not just the same reference original. I’m Physically thinking of for my Story fanfiction “RWBY Earth” Sci-fi, horror, and action. I’m just so much better healthy myself.
I'm in the middle, and I love it what it is. Nothing is perfect and never was. It's just a show that I really enjoyed. Yes, there are people who made a terrible execution. Just look at what happened to Star Wars and Naruto. Yes, I do respect their opinion, but everyone is too afraid to like the franchise. For the weirdest reasons. I like the character design, and I like the world they try to build. If only they do it better. That's how we grow and I don't care about love or hate. I just wanted to enjoy the community. Kuro the artist, would have wanted
I think the fixation on rwby criticism comes from the fact that it has mountains of missed potential. Personally, rwby is the most frustrating show I’ve ever seen. Not the WORST show, the most FRUSTRATING. Because I don’t get angry with a show just for being bad, I just wouldn’t care. But rwby has so much potential that is staring us in the face, but the writers seem incapable of noticing it, and that’s frustrating to watch.
It is definitely a story with a lot of missed potentials. The people making the show themselves don't really seem like the most capable of using the potential. I've seen a lot of RWBY fan works that better utilized the potential. The heart of the series is the fight choreography and the weapons designs. Official RWBY ran out of good fight choreography really fast, and they truly only had a handful of really good weapons designs that match the spirit of the show. Crescent Rose is the poster child of RWBY weapons designs. It's great. But hers is the only good one of her team. Myrtenaster isn't even a transforming weapon. Gambel Shroud and Ember Celica also are less-than-stellar designs. Nora's grenade hammer is another good weapon. And that's about it, from the top of my head. I've seen a number of fan designs that are way better and match the quality of Crescent Rose better than RT's own designs.
As someone who only sees RWBY every like 5 years, I honestly don't get how this show got a fandom that was as loyal as it is... The "potential" argument also, honestly I feel like you can say that about ANY show that turned out bad in the end. Every show would be better if it had a better written story, characters, exposition, or world building, and it just so happens that RWBY has problems with... pretty much everything. I mean, it's really telling how bad the show your watching is, if it had writing problems, literally the moment characters started talking (Character trailer: Black).... As an outsider, it legitimitely feels like RWBY is the biggest scale gaslight to ever exist in fiction.
People need to learn the difference between, “ this is bad, and this isn’t for me” People also need to learn the difference between “this is good, and I got enjoyment out of this”
People also *have* to learn "If someone likes something I don't like... _that doesn't make them my enemy._ That doesn't somehow devalue their opinion." I mean, F!@#in' seriously...🙄
@@dphalanx7465 naw, but on that same token if I criticize shitty aspects of what they like it's their fault if they go ballistic. And I don't mean shit like "they have da gay in here" but shit like "maybe don't have the now-40-something year-old go "I've been waiting for this" when the will they won't they TEEN COUPLE finally gets together". And more subjective things like "a confession scene is not good if it's treated like it's capping off a will they won't they that is there only because the show was dragging its feet and not the characters". Sorry, I really, really hate that M&K just don't fucking learn and are as shit at writing as they were all that time ago without the charm that gormless passion gave it. The fumbles used to be cute. Now the only explanations are either they don't care, are too arrogant to accept that they should care, get off on the abuse they get from it or have a nice number for their IQ value. And I struggle to keep on track because I could rant people's ears off. I believe I've made the point. Like, I'm tryina be civil to the person themselves, I'm not disparaging them for liking it, but I also can't help myself if the topic comes up.
The weird thing is they can legitimately do good writing here. The first half of volume 6 was actually pretty well done, and the entire farm episode managed to build this slow, bizarre, creeping tension for a climax that was ultimately very enjoyable. I agree, I feel like I want to hate it but no matter what it’s weirdly hard for me
I like the show for its indie creativity but I mean after Monty Oum passed and the other creators is just like screw it with the story and do whatever they want without consistency or reason. I lost hope for the show. I just wanted to end on a peaceful note or something of the sort.
The tricky thing with being a legitimately good writer is that you can't just do occasionally good writing. Any idiot who's read books and is fluent in a language can write bits and pieces of good writing. Heck, I can do that. I can even spout random bits of what appears to be good writing out of my butt. The real mark of a good writer is being able to put all of the bits of good writing together into a cohesive narrative and world that has consistent quality and professionalism. It's like the test of time, or testing the integrity of an entire structure to see if it's stable. It's no good if only sections of the structure are stable. The entire thing needs to be, otherwise it collapses. Ask me to write a five minute short story, and I can do it with quality and without much effort or time. Ask me to write an epic fantasy spanning an entire fictional world that is meant to go on for ten years...and I'm going to tell you to shove off, because I can't do it. I'm currently working on my own thing, but it's taking a long time, and I mostly just write bits and pieces here and there to fit into the timeline. Problem for RWBY is that RT can't do that. They don't have time, and they can't afford to just write bits and pieces of good writing.
@@itsblitz4437 The show built its original popularity with its action sequences. Such a show doesn't do so great when you try to instead carry it with a massive drop in fight quality in favor of mediocre storytelling. It's a bad trade deal. But it also was never going to sustain itself with just good fight sequences either. Most of the original amazing fights were just reskins of what Monty had already made. But at the pace that the show was going, they were going to run out of that material really fast, and it's not easy to keep making more material of the same quality. They really overextended themselves from the start. A company like RT was not prepared at all to keep a show like this going. If it was just meant to be a 1 and done season, or maybe 1 season every five years or something (like how a lot of anime do not run new seasons every year), then maybe. But they were way too ambitious with what they wanted to do. They lacked the writing talent to make the story work, and they couldn't keep up with the animation demands either.
I have a love / hate relationship with RWBY. One hand, I see the flaws and firmly believe that this series has loads of potential, but the writers just don't know how to get there. The other, I fell in love with the initial concept of the show, Monty's beautiful choreography, and the iconic main characters. I just can't...let them go. Despite how different the show is now from the first few volumes, there are parts of RWBY that I still adore. As much as I want to give up on the show, I don't want to. They got me so wrapped up into the story that I absolutely wanna see how it ends. No matter what, i'm still gonna be a fan. I'm happy someone else feels the same way lol
This comment just stated my exact relationship with RWBY. I see the flaws, but i camt stop watching due to how much can be done with the show and how the writers & animators get so close to something exquisite. At least Volume 9 is pretty good.
I think my feelings on RWBY can be summed up by these words from Tony Stark: "You start with something simple, something exciting. Then come the mistakes. The comprises. We create our own demons."
This series is the biggest “it’s complicated” for me. A good amount of RWBY tends to fall flat for me. But for some damn reason, I just can’t stop watching it. It’s like a weird addiction.
This show is like my favorite thing on planet Earth, but I realized something recently. My younger brother's friends were wanting to watch RWBY so I broke out the DVD collection and marathoned it with them. And it was then that I realized 50% of the things I know about the world of RWBY aren't from the show. . . They're from a mixture of Miles' panel answers and fannon. I was answering questions constantly and when they asked when a particular subject was brought up I just looked at the ground and realized 'never'. In a weird way, if the fandom wasn't so dedicated to keeping the world of Remnant alive, I don't think there would be so many hardcore fans today.
RWBY is a great example of many people hating on something so badly that it peaks someone’s interest to check it out for themselves and then they watch it or read it and go like “Huh it wasn’t too bad, I think I’ll keep up watching or reading it” and you know it has flaws and a lot of the criticism is mostly right but you still like it nonetheless it’s like drinking coffee at Starbucks where sure the coffee sucks ass and everyone knows it does but you still like drinking it because either you’re a masochist or you simply while not liking it completely you can still enjoy and appreciate the good stuff
I think that's RWBY's core takeaway "It's not that bad." It has flaws, but if you're willing to acknowledge them and just want to watch an interesting-looking adventure cartoon with some cool music (and the occasional cool visual), there's something there for you. I think alot of the bitterness among the critics stems from the subconscious knowledge that Rooster Teeth is a F!@ked-up company and they are *NEVER* going to listen to the critics (or even well-meaning fans), and they're *NEVER* going to fix the problems.
I'm so happy with Volume 9 right now for this exact reason. RWBY for the past 2 volumes has basically been a political drama, and I'm so excited for the rest of Volume 9 - a new music composer, an entirely new setting, and a whole new theme very very clearly gives the writers more wiggle room to write an amazing story - and I'm loving it so far.
Massive wall of text incoming: RWBY is more disappointing than being the worst thing ever. There's great things that still shine through the all of the messy parts, but the messy parts at times can be so messy that it really leaves a bad taste in your mouth because you know it could be so much better. I think the reason why people feel so strongly about RWBY is BECAUSE of those actually great moments, which makes it all the more frustrating when the show can't be consisy. Btw, I became a fan when Volume 5 aired and I remembered when the fanbase almost all unanimously agreed it was the worst volume. And then Volume 6 happened and everyone got divided over how good or how bad it was and it only got worse from there. RWBY doesn't make me mad, it's just really disappointing because the moments when it's really good showed that it could have been more than it was even with how shoddy the first couple of volumes could be at times. But honestly, I like to think people hate RWBY less for it being what it is, but more for the company itself: Rooster Teeth. Not only with how RT itself treated RWBY as well as their other animated series in general, but also with all of these controversies about the more notable figures in the company such as Gray Haddock (Torchwick's original VA) and especially Ryan Haywood being terrible people as well as the terrible treatment of various staff that aren't the faces of RT itself, which further left a bad taste in everyone's mouth and further caused even more vitriol. RT itself ever since the late 2010's or even earlier than that have tried to prop themselves as a company as big as all of the other higher end professional companies they're competing with, and yet in some regards they still go about doing things in an unprofessional manner, such as how rushed many of the finales end up being. People don't hate RT for being unprofessional: people hate RT for being unprofessional as the company itself tries more and more to come across as such only to struggle to do so. Personally, I still hope that even with it being clear that RWBY would never be the show everyone hoped it could be, that MAYBE, just MAYBE it could end off on a good note. It won't automatically redeem the show or anything and it sure as hell won't make up for how CRWBY has been treated, but I still want to hold onto hope that MAYBE this show could still be entertaining despite how disappointing it's become and that I can remember this show for those amazing moments as opposed to just the messy parts and everything surrounding not only it but also RT. I truly don't hate RWBY. I just hate everything surrounding it and I also hate that I can't love the show. I just want to enjoy my stupid American anime with girls with weapons that are also guns killing monsters, dammit! XO
I honestly wonder if it wouldn't be better to license the show to some Japanese studio and just have them re-do the whole thing from the beginning? Now that _Ice Queendom_ is out (and we've seen what a Japanese studio can do), are people more (or less) inclined towards this idea these days? Regarding the domestic alternative--I'm not sure if there's an animation studio here in the states that could handle it?
As for the rushed feeling. I feel like part of it is backlash from the criticisms that volumes 1-3 are light on plot. Volumes 4 & 5 feel like they should have been 3 volumes instead of 2, as volume 5 has our main group (team RNJR + Qrow and oscar) sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting for the rest of the plot points to converge, when they should have been going on a mission to protect haven from grimm due to the shortage of huntsman while the rest of team RWBY gathers to meet them and Team WTCH is plotting and doing their thing to get them killed on mission. THEN have volume 6 be focused on lionheart and the battle of haven. It's supposed to end on the halfway point and the way the show was paced previously as trilogies makes the following volumes feel cramped, rushed, and bloated... precisely because they got tired of people complaining about things going too slowly, especially after volume 4. RWBY has, from the start, been a show with a huge cast of characters and a lot of moving pieces going on in the background, but shows with big casts need room and screentime to breathe - something you're not going to get in 14 episodes where at any given episodes there's like 30 characters need to be doing something.
@@bushamo Bad hype, too much bombast; hysteronic. By the *actual* definition of Stockholm Syndrome, @zackbrangen should become an advocate for RWBY; e.g. a total symp. _Which he is not, and does not._ Instead, he merely acknowledges that he takes some pleasure in the consumption of a flawed product. *10 Points off @bushamo for being a Dumbass.*
As a day 1 RWBY fan and a massive RT fan, (at least for a while, I've kinda fallen off as of late) people need to understand that shows are allowed to be ok and that RWBY is ok. RWBY has really high highs and pretty low lows, and even as a die hard fan to this day I can't ignore them, but I don't think calling it mid or garbage is a fair assessment. The show is fun, the show has cool fight scenes and you can enjoy it for that and accept that not all of it is amazing or even good. I didn't come to this show expecting to rethink my philosophy about life, or be wowed away by the cleanest animation ever to exist and if people did then I'm sorry they have way too high expectations. It's good, it's alright, it's fine, and that is ok, not everything people enjoy have to be 10/10 masterpieces
It also has a dope soundtrack that does a mix of spoiling and fleshing out the story & characters years in advance. I think a lot of the newer fans miss out on the early days that you got a considerable chunk of the story through the ost - so when they just binge it either ignoring the ost or listening to it after the fact, some of the magic and plot gets lost. They aren't exactly sitting with the songs for months analyzing them while waiting for the next volume to drop, piecing together teases and the character's inner monologues in the meantime.
I’ve been watching RWBY since red trailer and my honest opinion on the show is that I just like it. That’s it. I like it and I’ll watch it and be sad when it ends because I like it. I rewatch some old episodes occasionally for nostalgia. I burned out on any arguments years ago in my teen days and only recently had to re-remind myself not to get back in and start arguing. It’s like the green goblin suit for me tbh. I do recommend for anyone the three part video series by Hypeathon on ‘Monty’s Vision’. It’s as factual and non-biased as you can be on the info behind the early production and dispels a lot of misconceptions behind it.
They're very bitter people; ignored by the company and scarred by the blowback from rabid, toxic fans---not realizing that it was the unrelenting onslaught of unmitigated criticism that drove a chunk of the fans crazy and turned them into toxic _fan-natics in the first place._
One thing I hate about RWBY is that 90% of the videos on RUclips when you search Ruby are negative with people who don’t offer any constructive feedback,, but just cherry pick the things they don’t like I’m pass them off as fact
That’s not necessarily true, a lot of the critique videos I’ve watched about this show offer corrections. There are also Volume rewrite videos out there
1:06 RWBY inspired me to write my own story... I've always wanted to, but I knew it was going to be trash. However after seeing RWBY I thought, "damn! Whatever I write there is no way that it can be worse than this!" Plus, the template of a very flawed yet established world works well as training wheels for a writing noob who wants to write their won story (I think). Btw, not a RWBY fan. I binged S1 to S8 in a day as a part of a dare with my friend.
funny enough thinking about how we all keep watching Rwby even if it's bad makes me think of Blake's line "When you've been at someone's side for so long, after a while they become a part of you." I mean this show is has been running for about a third of my life that's a lot of invested time to just walk away 😅
I genuinely feel insane whenever people talk about rwby, too many people just parrot one another but never actually say anything other than "it fell off after season 3" as if season 3 itself wasn't the only highlight from the original seasons before monty died and as if season 4 and most of 5 wasn't already planned before his death. I get the dislike of seasons 4 & 5 and how it could paint a bad view of "oh this got worse after his death" but honestly I don't think there was anything that could have been done for those seasons. Monty was a phenomenal animator and conceptual designer but I do not believe his death affected the overall plot like some people seem to think.
I kind of see myself as in the middle. Like I first jumped on RWBY just around the time of Monty Oum's death, and I thought "Oh wow. No way this is gonna age well." And in a way I was right. Volumes 1 and 2 felt like a rushed mess where the main characters felt sidelined for Jaune's story. And then some idiot I used to be friends with spoilered ALL OF VOLUME 3 FOR ME BEFORE I EVEN GOT THE CHANCE TO WATCH IT! So I found myself dropping the series entirely up until around volume 6 was airing. So I picked up from where I left off and I found myself actually invested in the characters, I found myself enjoying the story even if it meant no more stupid high school shenanigans which was the original draw of the show, and just recently I have gotten over my petty childish dislike of Jaune and find him to be hella relatable. I may not have been there since Day 1, and I get a lot of the problems people have with RWBY's narrative. But I'm 35 years old now, and find myself caring very little for a lot of things nowadays. So when something as amateurish and trashy as RWBY is still able to make me -feel- some kind of emotion, I can't bring myself to hate it. Hell, I'll add more salt to the blasphemy I'm spewing: I liked Justice League X RWBY and thought it was fun! Fight me!
I've noticed that a lot of those hyper aggressive critic's problem's Are essentially as if they went to McDonalds or Burger King, ordered a hamburger, and then got super pissy that it wasn't a gourmet steak. RWBY is decent, and easily enjoyable so long as you don't get up your own ass about it not being the absolute best thing to ever grace your mind.
I walked away from RWBY fom the simple fact that it has been a decade now and the story is nowhere close to its endgame. And I get that there are series and shows that drags its story like it's the same weight as the iceberg that sunk the titanic, looking at you One Piece, but even those gets to retain their audience in the form of monthly or weekly releases while RWBY does none of that. Even if there are problems with the characters, the setting, or the entire story for that matter RWBY still wouldn't have lost the interest of its audience if they didn't drip feed the damn thing like its nectar from the gods. If Rooster Teeth actually had a concrete plan for this show current year RWBY would've been drastically different in both production value and content release.
The last few volumes writing was terrible. Especially V8. And V9 went nowhere in terms of advancing the story and was just filler. RWBY had become to damaged to recover it seems. RWBY is done (under RT). There will be no V10.
Thing is I don't hate RWBY, I just feel nothing anymore. It makes me feel little to nothing. I can't even watch RWBY if it's not watching someone else watch it. I can only really get enjoyment from watching someone else watch it. Well I guess I do FEEL something when I try to watch it but it's.....distress and woe. Like even trying to watch the parts I like makes me surprisingly upset given I simultaneously feel nothing, but I've found watching certain people watch or recap it is the only way I can enjoy it with any....enjoyment. Unfortunate but starting with Volume 4 and ending with Volume six, I just hit a breaking point I didn't expect. I wasn't even involved in the community till the Adam fight in Volume 6 where I was legitimately confused why they were trying to act like Blake and Yang were an item, let alone even had a relationship of any kind. That's when I found out there was a whole lengthy spreadsheet of ships and that the people involved just like them together and claim it was "planned" when literally nothing was set up beforehand if you watched without being tainted by shipping. I mean I didnt ship anyone really but Blake and Yang were not a good pair because they have no build up and progressively got worse as characters so seeing them togther other than "being 2 girl" means nothing and gives nothing. Very strange but it is what is when it comes to this show. I mean they are trying more NOW but it's way too late in the game to matter
Yeah, bmblb was entirely them caving to shippers midway through. Monty stated that none of the 4 girls would date each other, blake & sun have multiple songs together in the ost, and the 1 blake x yang song (titled "bmblb") was added to the ost with a statement by the composer that it was a non-canon "just for fun" song. As opposed to all other RWBY songs which were canon POVs from different characters - acting as inner monologues and teases for different plot elements (often both).
Another thing to point out: If RWBY were truly irredeemable, it wouldn't get the level of hate that it does. The worst movies in existence aren't the ones that people hate en mass; they're the ones no one remembers in the first place, the ones that don't even have a cult following. For RWBY to still be getting the level of attention that it does, it must be doing something right.
I came to this show at the start of V4. I honestly do not think I would have watched the show if it stayed the way it was in the first 2 volumes. I tried watching the trailers and V1 but I just couldn’t get into it. I only started when Flamingshark reacted to it so I gave it a shot. I almost dropped it again until the end of V3 when the story actually started. The mysterious voice in the very first episode actually being the big bad??! I was hooked
I'm on rewatch for the third time right now and I still love it. When you watch again you see more details that I fell in love with. Yes, animation is "cheap" but I prefer animations from season 2/3 than the new ones. Despite many shortcomings, I still love RWBY.
I absolutely adore RWBY but I want them to wrap the story up before they can never finish it. I feel it’s one of those few shows that started pretty bad but honestly is going strong. If they’d get their heads outta their asses and just make some good games finally then we’d honestly have a strong fandom. Also I believe that Ice Queendom should’ve been a rehash of the first 3-4 seasons but in a quicker and more cohesive way. So new people can get into it without the suffering
The biggest problem with RWBY is identity. It didn't know what it wanted to be. The first 2 volumes were vool characters with awesome fight scenes and no story. Volume 2 tried to have a story, but it fell flat. It was only in Volume 3 where the show knew what it wanted to be, just to start losing that identity slowly after. And that is why I love and hate it so much. I saw what it was on Volume 3 just for it to be lost again.
The first 3 volumes RWBY was a futuristic western and all abilities relied on dust, could've been a good story but they focused on school RWBY vol 4-9 they can finally explore but now the world building is kinda random
The problem isn't that RWBY is bad it's that it's sometimes bad and sometimes it's good, so you can never quite say "oh this is just bad, I'm done" because every know and then it'll be good and you'll be like, "is this good now?" but it's never 100% either way. I remember actually eehhh-ing when Blake told Ruby she admired her. Of course after a while it did occur to me that moment should have happened several volumes ago. At this point I just want to watch it to the end, whenever that will be, so I can remember the good parts.
Ice Queendom, and the Shiro Miwa manga, are honestly the only RWBY things I can actually consider good. Yeah Ice Queendom was a dreamworld story but that was always gonna be the main focus of that series and it wasn’t meant to be a remake. And as a side story it made me care a hell of a lot more about the characters than the show is doing by this point. Yeah the animation got rough at times, but when it got good it was really good and it was honestly the most hype I had ever felt for ANYTHING involving this franchise.
RWBY is one of those perfectly ok shows. Although I do think the critics have gotten a little lazy in the past two volumes. Eruptionfang used to be one of my favorite to watch, but then he started making really odd mistakes and getting really angry about them. Like how he thought Penny not.being able to see Tyrian at the rally attack was plot convenience, but it was shown to be Watts hacking her. Or how he thought the writers were trying to make people think Penny was actually dead after Amity and that it was a fake out death. When Winter actually told everyone Penny was alive and flying towards Atlas and Watts, also explained what she was doing after that when Cinder was threatening him. It's definitely got flaws, but those weren't two of them.
To be honest, I just feel absolutely nothing towards this show anymore except for disappointment. All my faith has been slowly crushed whenever I tried to believe the show could be good, only for the writers to kill off my favorite characters in the most disrespectful ways possible. Why should I care if the writers clearly don't care about their own characters themselves. The plot is an aimless mess at this point and now season 9 is even acknowledging just how bad the characterization has gotten. I just can't bring myself to have any investment in the show anymore. It's just not healthy for me at this point.
I always thought that RWBY is the broccoli of animation: everyone treats it like it's the worst vegetable in the planet and that it will literally make you vomit the time you eat it but when finally taste it you say "huh, it doesn't taste as bad as people say" and you either don't eat it again and move on or you start eating it regularly because you ended up liking it. Also if the show had came out during the 2000s and ended between 2005-2012 it will be treated as an internet classic and it will be loved by many, i have no proof but also no doubts.
For real, I'm a person who was there at day 1, I watched the Red Trailer at it's launch. When Volume 1 came out, at the bully arc, I said "I'm outta this shit" and then just ignored any new Volumes. When Volume 4 arrived and there's ads on Crunchyroll, I said to myself "Is that actually RWBY?" And then I watched It all again, Volume 1 to 5 (volume 5 was the last one out at that time) and I really think that RWBY got better after Volume 3??? 4 - 6 it's... ahm... good?, and 7 - 9 It's legit good? I mean, I'm really hyped to see where things are going, and that [SPOILER ALERT] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yang and Blake confession episode was so fucking good? I mean, I was not a bumbleby shipper and I legit cried watching that scene. For me RWBY fans are trying to see RWBY at something it will never be, and I'm not saying this "something" is literally "being good" I just think that RWBY is good in the way they are writting right now. I just think people got used to hate about anything in the show, and rn, even when there's no need to hate and hyper critisize, they will. Cmon, there was people hating on how Yang defended Blake in Ruby's mental breakdown. Something that is literally first response to anyone. If was my bro attacking my gf and saying shit to her, I will defend her instead of being sorry about my bro. What I'm trying to say is: I'm a day 1 RWBY fan (kind of) and I really enjoy where the show is going and I really hyped for Volume 9 plots and future volumes. ps: My first language isn't english, sorry if there's some poor grammar in my comment. Please understand
A lot of people compare new RWBY to old RWBY acting like the show used to be amazing but now it sucks. Bro, nah, RWBY has never been amazing. The animations were janky most of the time, the writing was cringey as hell and most of the characters weren't that deep. We loved it because it was our old palls at RT giving a guy who did sick as hell fight animations the go ahead to make an anime of his own. It wasn't gunna be a masterpiece but it was entertaining. For me I rewatched every volume after I stopped at the end of Volume 6, I felt the story slowed down a little in the middle volumes but really picked up from 7 onwards. They didn't make the masterpiece everyone thinks old RWBY was but damn was it still entertaining.
I binged the series quite recently. Had nothing to watch and remembered "Hey there's this show people were talking about years ago, maybe I should give it a shot", so I got crunchyroll and started watching. And to me, it's like The Legend of Korra or The Clone Wars, quite decent, if not actually good shows, despite having parts that really stops them from being as highly regarded as Avatar: The Last Airbender or Arcane. Sure, the animation wasn't that good initially, and some seasons felt slow, some fight scenes may have been clunky, and a few writing choices weren't on par, but still I was hooked. I often see people saying (or making videos) that shows like RWBY (or Korra) are "garbage". I don't think they actually care about objective criticism, and only focus on ragebaiting and negativity, for whatever reason.
I don't hate RWBY at all. Been a fan ever since the first Trailer and I still love the series. It's not perfect but I enjoy watching it and the characters. The only thing I dislike is as you mentioned is sheer amount of Hate Videos there are all over youtube, it's ridiculous.
Look, im just a camp camp fan who got lost, but one glimpse of rwby gave me curiosity, but i never actually watched the series *because* of the hate. I was scared of falling in love with it and the hate slowly clawing at my mental health, but this video made me realize that no, i should not fall in love with it, but i shouldn't abandon it. Thank you!
Honestly as someone who only started watching the series recently due to the hbomberguy video I think you are pretty on point. I feel like everything has been steadily improving, minus some hiccups. Volumes 7 & 8 were honestly my favorite out of all of them. I don't think the show is high art, but I think it's a lot better than people give it credit for and the first volumes alot worse.
what do you MEAN good things and bad things can exist simultaneously? either the show is bad, or the show is perfect, nuance is a myth and i am always correct
To summarize: It hurts to let go but it feels good to hang on...RWBY and it's story tread this line with the acrobatic balance of a drunken, narcoleptic monkey...and most of us are still invested to see the chaos unfold every step of the way.
Never thought I'd comment this under a RWBY video, but I pretty much agree with everything that you've said here. Well, there is one exception - it's not only the people who were there for the Red Trailer that are the only RWBY fans that stick around to this day. I came across this series years ago through fanart, when I checked what it actually is and saw it's some Deviantart-tier MMD show about fighting girls I was all like "nah I'm not watching that". But recently I saw they actually improved the animation a lot in the most recent seasons and decided to give it a try. So me, a grown-ass 23-year-old man, binged all 8 volumes in like a month, and loved every second of it. But here's the thing - I knew what I was getting into. I knew it was a show with crappy animation, I knew I should not expect it to have groundbreaking writing, I was watching it for pure, dumb fun. And that's exactly what I got, with some genuinely good moments here and there. For that reason alone I simply cannot hate on this show. It's as you said - it's like watching a school play, you never except it to be good, but don't hate it for what it isn't, might as well just enjoy it for what it *is*. I think people who overly hate or praise RWBY seriously need to touch some grass and realize what kind of show they're watching.
As an outsider looking in, RWBY hate is nothing special. I've seen this kind of obsession before in many fandoms/hatedoms. While there is some legit criticism, it's mostly an excuse for people to stay angry.
1:30 I discovered RWBY for the first time when V5 was still going (or at least was the most recent one), and I suppose I'm an abomination, because I haven't watched any critique videos in... I don't even know how long (I certainly don't remember any of the actual critiques, although I know in general what people complain about) and have thoroughly enjoyed the entire journey (as you see most reactors do as well) and don't feel like anything has gone down in quality (other than action scenes, which I think are pretty good, but not as good as Monty's). I'm gonna copy-paste my comment from the AI presidents video. It's pretty short, but it's my view on RWBY. Throughout V1-V3, I really enjoyed were the characters, action scenes, and the setup for future seasons, but I loved the show more each volume. I got into it pretty early, but my interest skyrocketed when they introduced everything about the maidens. The story and characters just got more and more interesting to me each volume, and V8 is probably my favorite volume so far (with V7 being a close second), although V9 might overtake it, we'll see. The early volumes were great (aside from the animation, obviously), but contrary to a lot of people, my interest and love for the show just grew and grew the further into the show we got. For me V1-V3 have become less interesting to watch as time has passed, mostly due to the later story becoming far more interesting and intriguing. I still enjoy watching V1-V3 for the characters, action, and story setup, but I far more enjoy watching the later volumes because of the greater plot. I absolutely love shows with a grand story, and that's what RWBY has become.
I'm definitely in this boat. There are alot of interesting idea's, scenes, and power systems at play in rwby that have a strong grip on me. But when characters have powers that they rarely use and characters do weird things for the sake of conflict I'm left being nitpicky, hoping I'll get more scenes of the stuff I like. For whatever reason I don't want to stop watching this show, but I also hate how a lot of parts of it are written.
I don't hate rwby, its just a disappointment to me. I can see a number of good ideas that it had but it was executed badly. Do i like rwby? No. Do i hate rwby? No. I just no longer care for it so whatever happens to it in the future, be it good or bad, i don't really care anymore.
I don't hate it at all and I don't think its bad or terrible. I think everything has flaws and if you look hard enough at any show you'll find them. Perfectly fine to criticize it and some criticisms i can understand, but i think people need to stop using what amounts to "cope" as a counterargument to why people might disagree with negative criticism. I think it's perfectly fine to agree to disagree and have your own opinion without insulting the other persons intelligence and taste in media. I definitely think the show is just "fine" and always has been but i think people judge it way too harshly.
We can agree on that statement, but let’s not forget the quote he said, “anime homework.” It’s an upfront illusion of a fanfic universe to play around with more than being hardcore novelty. It’s a beautiful unfinished sympathy
I honestly think Rwby is good even with the animation and awkward dialog moments in V1 through 3. I never hated any of the volumes, Imo Rwby is a good show/anime to watch it may have ups and downs, but if you really look at it it's beautiful.
Honestly, my thoughts could be best summarized as “It’s fine.” I enjoy the show, it’s plot and characters, and I also realize that it’s heavily flawed. At the end of the day, it’s fine. Not great, not awful, just fine.
when the shield girl died you can tell whatever story they had building up to that point just fell off. at least, thats how i saw it at the time and how i will forever see it. then when i was told (late around season 5 or 6 i guess) that monty died i finally realized why the fight scenes felt so bad to watch. i just gave up. i dont openly hate on rwby but i do realize it will never be what i thought or wanted it to be so i had to let go. but i hold out hope that maybe one of the remakes out there will do the story justice in a format my adhd brain can digest. i dont read but i heard the manga was the best one so far. TLDR: i wasted my time and energy on rwby.
I’ll say now as an OG former fan of RT my hate for the series is my understanding and escalation of my expectations for the series especially since RT decided more and more to be a bigger company. With me allowing themselves v4-5 as a sort of a leeway period to let them settle themselves. But from v6 and onwards it’s always the same issues if a lot of promises, but failing the landing every time and learning more behind the scenes stuff just frustrates me. And I always elaborate I hate Rwby not the people behind it as I now find the series to be well more trouble for everyone than it’s worth. Side note I think people should pursue to surpass Monty in animation ability. I doubt he’d ever want to be seen as the ceiling. Otherwise then there’s just no where else to go and no one else will ever create such scenes like him which is not true.
@@star-lordtheoutlawandbluet8494 I haven't watched either, but that is *super* debatable. I'm reluctant to say RWBY is better than those, because they both absolutely had a huge cultural impact and is considered to be up there with Dragon Ball Z and Naruto.
What’s weird for me are the people that keep coming back after expressing much they hate it? Like it’s fine if you don’t like it but don’t be a hero hei or vexed viewer.
@@bushamo Not really, the ones who live breathe RWBY and defend any criticism of it as if it is a personal attack are just the flip side of those who hate all aspects of RWBY for no real reason. Both are blind in their views and won't listen to anything counter to them.
@@dr.ducttape2161 I should lol. But I wasn’t shaming you for liking it lmao. Typical rwby fan. Jumping straight to victim mentality. It’s funny because it’s canceled lmao.
Rwby fanfiction is literally a blue hole. There's no comprehensible way to summarize or even be aware of all 30k plus stories of it. Take your pick, will you focus on crossovers, or will you try your hand at the entire rewrites of the story itself.
So I haven't been a fan since day 1 of RWBY but I've been a fan since RWBY Yang vs Tifa Death battle and ever since then Yang has stayed in my mind ever since and made me an instant fan of the show. Even with all the show's flaws and how it really doesn't have much of an excuse to being flawed now that RT is more corporate nowadays, I'll love this franchise for the rest of my life even with all the flaws and hate.
I watch rwby like I read fanfiction which is to say not expecting technical excellence or for it to be well put together but for interesting and fun ideas and a passion for what is being made. does rwby always have that no but it usually does.
Potential and the promise that comes with it is often a beautiful intoxication that keeps someone lingering for a while to see if any of that will bare fruit. and RWBY even to this day is certainly full of that kind of promise.
The first time I saw this series was at my Dad's take your kid to work day. His friend put on episode 1 of Vol.1 (this was around 2014 or 2015 or some shit I don't remember) and was gassing it up n shit, and I forgot it's name so it just existed as a fever dream in my mind until I got into fighting games and saw BBTAG and was like "HOLY SHIT ITS RED RIDING HOOD WITH A SCYTHE AGAIN". Then I watched up to like Vol. 3 and forgot most of what happened. I gotta check out the manga...
I totally agree with what you said about "if you're going to spend this much time making fanfiction and especially if you're just remaking the story's foundations from the ground up, you might as well make a new story of your own" , I've been working on a RWBY tabletop RPG for a few months (almost a year now), the reason for the delay was (besides some personal issues) I'm looking for any and all kinds of supplemental content, canon or not, like novels, games, Fairytails of Remnant, mangas, etc. My philosophy for this RPG is "I'm not going to rule out ANYTHING", at most I'll retcon past concepts, events and how some things like magic and aura works, imagine the story as if it were a "what if", it takes place at the same time as the show and I'll give freedom to the players to change the course of the narrative, thus being able, for example, to avoid the death of a character, or bring an antagonist to their side. (Btw is just wanted to say that, since i'm brazilian i had to pay some absurd prices to import the books and novels from the US, being a RWBY fan in Brazil is just pain)
I really love that Popsicle Stick analogy. Because some Popsicle Stick Houses are nice to look at. They won't function as a real house, but they're still nice to look at. And I think that sums up RWBY pretty well; a series that I enjoy watching that does well enough for what it is.
I've kind of always enjoyed this show unironically. I completely understand that it's not even close to perfect (I mean, Volume 5 exists) but I do genuinely feel like V6-9 have been far better in the writing department (and action department compared to 4&5)
After finishing Volume 9, I went to youtube to see what commentary had been made. And of course, I find a sea of videos criticizing the show for one reason or another. I'm far from a diehard fan or an uncritical viewer, I just like RWBY. And I find so many of the criticisms to be accurate, but far overblown. There is SO MUCH mediocre media out there that RWBY getting chastised as often as it does is odd to me. I'm grateful to watch what may be the first video about RWBY's quality that feels reasonable. The show has a massive charm to it that lets people who value it overlook (or accept) its flaws. Which is a positive! I'm excited to watch your other videos on the topic. If they're anything like this one, they won't make me close the video a third of the way in due to nitpicking like the last 5 I've attempted to watch from others 😅
Rwby is a series that honestly a guilty pleasure that I can’t find in my heart to hate i know about the drama the series has but honestly the series has good ideas just because of their short chapter structure they try to cram so much lore into episodes without a chance to breath
I got into RWBY like a month ago for god knows why (I dont remember) and I fucking love it, sure the animation is trash in the first volumes but I always enjoyed the story. I felt great payoff by volume 4 seeing the animation improve so drastically and the story remaining cohesive without being predictable, one of my favorite shows now actually. The only volume I really didnt like was actually 9, Im so invested on the story of maidens and remnant and whatnot, I really dont care to see a whole volume of crazy slow character development in an otherwise irrelevant realm. Another huge animation upgrade though, volume 9 looked amazing.
This is some sort of TV Dunning Kreuger effect; like as it gets better, you start to realise it's not actually as good as you thought it was. I'll be honest, this used to be a guilty pleasure for me. But we're post-cringe, and I just kinda like it. I like that it tries, and you can see a bunch of people behind the scenes get better. I think that's what's so compelling about it to so many people.
Yeah, when I introduce RWBY to people, I literally tell them that it's not that good. Like a solid 7 at the best of times, a solid 2 or 3 at the worst, and most of the time, like a 5. But it's still, unironically, my favorite show. In no small part due to the fact that it can, repeatedly, make me cry. Somethin that very, VERY rarely happens. And I genuinely think it's those moments that make the more mediocre ones worth watching.
At this point I watch the show out of morbid curiosity to see what preposterous thing they try next. Though I did find it frustrating when that one guy at roosterteeth (I don't know who) was essentially patting himself on the back for what they did to Ironwood. Trying to make it seem like a stroke of genius by invoking the "road to hell paved with good intentions" proverb.
I enjoyed the 1st half of v6 V7 was filler to me except one ep. (Should’ve used Arrowfell as the plot for V7 instead of… an insert of Trump v Hilary ‘16. V8…. Anyway V9, ep. 7 was wild. Can’t wait to see Ruby go vigilante like Deku /hj
RWBY has been the biggest disappointment and blue-balling experience with a story I've experienced in my life. Every volume past 3 has one or two moments every volume that actually make me feel invested in something, be it a character moment or story beat, then at the end I feel something similar to post-nut clarity.
You hit the nail on the head. I haven't watched RWBY since volume 5 ended. I gave up on it. Yet I still consistently think about it to this day. People like me encountered RWBY as an impressionable teenager and connected with the idea of a fully fledged ("fully fledged") animated series created by a (perceptually) small group of people on the internet. They didn't have the backing of a large company but they tried it anyway. I fell in love with the concept of "RWBY the show" and a naive dream that maybe I could do something similar. And then it immediately crashed and burned. People like me grew to hate it out of love. Love for a romantic dream that never existed. It's kind of bitter isn't it? I don't hate it anymore but I still cling to the naive dream, just not the dream of RWBY.
RWBY is like that one guilty pleasure everyone has, everyone knows it’s bad, it never was that good to begin with, but something about it just makes you come back for more. Idk. Can you really hate something that bad if you actively search for it? To some people it just fun, like the old cartoon’s, realistically speaking they were never marvel’s of animation, but nostalgia and memories makes us think it actually was that good. Still love this series tho, with its up’s and downs, I can’t help but love it.
As an OG who was there the day the Red Trailer dropped at the end of the RvB finale, it's like watching a friend waste away. Vol 1-3 are the true 'Oum experience' as Monty Oum passed away mid-production in Vol 3. The story had its issues but at least there was continuity with lessons learned and a sense of actual progression. Some people will say that it had problems finding its voice but it was meant to start as a simple 'monster of the week' with a slice of life element. The short runtimes of the show in its early days were the biggest problem with pacing and that was more due to RoosterTeeth trying to manage its longest running flagship series. Red Vs Blue was starting to run out of steam but the studio continued to march on trying to make it work. RWBY wouldn't catch fire until Vol 1 Ep 8 'Players and Pieces'. It was only then that RT realized they had a viable replacement and could allow RvB to finally rest when its star faded. It had charm. It had passion. It was plucky underdog helmed by a creator with a dream and a drive to make it happen. And despite its short comings it was the 'little show that could' that captured us. Monty's signature High Octane 'Poetry in Motion' was the 'Show Don't Tell' that helped RWBY make its mark and hit the ground running. Volumes 4 onward was when the show started to flag and then crash and burn. Without the Creator at the helm, coherency was lost. Volumes started to take on a 'only the current volume is canon' approach. Lessons learned were quickly forgotten causing the heroes to become hypocrites since the show became an epic instead of a cartoon sitcom where the end must result in the status quo. The rules of the world were changed. The story started to focus more on 'current events' in the real world instead of telling that of a fictional one. Characters were rewritten and changed at the whim of the fanbase. The writers resorted to cheap angst porn and low hanging fruit to tug at heartstrings. Everything had to be a twist so they could subvert expectations. To say nothing of the Cast and Crew who would belittle and lash out when fans started to become discontent and voice concerns. When they asked 'why is this not up to the standards of old' they were deemed bigots who hated progress. People miss the charm and plucky sprit of the Oum era. And given how the studio was shut down and RWBY sold off, there weren't enough 'new' fans to support the 'new' direction everyone tries to defend.
Look man its like a great otaku once said we all have trash taste rwby is just a prime example that no matter how trash it is we do not give a FUCK we still love the hell out of it and won't fucking leave. Rwby may not be great but it doesn't matter because we will watch it anyway let's just hope it gets better so instead of watching normal trash we watch it as decent trash.
I just finishes the latest volume of RWBY too, and I gotta say, it really does give me hope for the next volume. I genuinely think it would be very hard for the writers to fumble the bag with all they’ve set up so far. What do I think of RWBY as a whole? It’s…..fine, it’s not bad but I can’t say it’s great either. It takes 4 steps forward but 2 egregious steps back for a lot of it’s story ideas and concepts. But Volume 9 may have just restored my slowly regrowing faith in the show in a very major way, I still like the show after all.
I resonate with this, honestly. I’ve seen one too many RUclipsrs (who shall not be named but if you know, you know) use the show’s controversies to fuel their grift. Controversy brings views, and it’s sad that the FNDM falls into this trap of negativity and toxic positivity, ruining experiences for folks like myself who hold no real grudge against the show for its flaws.
I like the show but I'm not blind to the missed potential that happens a lot but I just can't help but like the good stuff like amvs, out of context videos, fan projects like Evermarrow, and the times the show had legitimately good stuff like the Mangas, and good volumes like V2, V3, V7, and V9
RWBY has been a rollercoaster for me. Back in highschool this show was the greatest thing ever. Incredible humor, charming and lovable characters, strong female leads, and great action. At the time I thought the story writing was ok; I didnt notice how bad it was back then. Then volume 3 got legitimately great on the story front and I fell in love with it even more. But then the animation, pacing, humor, and character personalities mostly flew out the window in volume 4 and 5 and I got bored and exhausted of it. Major things I loved the show for were just gone, although I wasn't too cognizant of what was happening at the time aside from the animation issues. The first half of volume 6 was incredible (second half was fine), and it made me realize just how much better the story could be, and could have been. That's when I really started realizing the show's flaws. However from then on the show kept getting better with every volume (imo) until today, with volume 9 just being legitimately great. I think the show is truly decent now, although it's still not really the show it originally was, or it originally promised. Its strengths and weaknesses are different now. It's kinda found a new identity to call its own, and even though it's not the show I fell in love with, it is the show that I love now, and I'm going to stick with it.
I really want to dislike RWBY but I just can't help falling back into the show because I've been following these characters since the beginning and I want to see where the story is gonna go. I love Team RWBY and JNPR and the villains and I have to know how their story wraps up. Even if it'll hurt
I had never watched RWBY until Volume 8 was already finished, and I think the show has many faults but is overall worth the time and effort to keep up with it and support the IP. Wish the first RWBY movie wasn't a crossover tho😐
Rwby is a show with sometimes good and sometimes dogshit writing but hey, I like the characters, designs are good, and it’s usually just sorta a fun time. Like I can shit on the show all I want but at the end of the day I’m still watching it when I’ve probably dropped “better” shows after less time so there’s clearly something there. All things considered this is probably the rwby review I relate too most
Maybe so, but I still like RWBY and will be there for the final episode. It looks like volume 10 will be at least 2 years out, if it gets a green light.
The stockholm syndrome is so real. I've seen other terrible series before and I'm able to drop them without fail, but *RWBY* has me in a fucking chokehold. I want so badly to just drop it, but I've been following the series since I was 12 so I can't. I need to see how this trainwreck ends. And as you said, I keep holding onto hope that it'll be good because there *are* good aspects to this series, but for every good writing decision they make, five terrible ones are sure to follow 💀 I just want to see it through to the end and maybe, when it finally dies, I will be released from the shackles this cursed series put on me
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But if you hate that you don’t hate RWBY then why do you complain about it?
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Obviously, I don’t hate it, But I really don’t like the Rwby series is just isn’t healthy, reminds me, and ruins life, so I just can’t stand listening to Rwby remind is make me Frustrated, so I just draw design Rwby, all character design was horrible… so I’m done watching it and I never watched it ever again.
Then I just want to figure out about rebooting Rwby fanfic, just wanna be better by myself. Trying to be like the epic dramatic real world, not just the same reference original. I’m Physically thinking of for my Story fanfiction “RWBY Earth” Sci-fi, horror, and action. I’m just so much better healthy myself.
I'm in the middle, and I love it what it is. Nothing is perfect and never was. It's just a show that I really enjoyed. Yes, there are people who made a terrible execution. Just look at what happened to Star Wars and Naruto. Yes, I do respect their opinion, but everyone is too afraid to like the franchise. For the weirdest reasons. I like the character design, and I like the world they try to build. If only they do it better. That's how we grow and I don't care about love or hate. I just wanted to enjoy the community.
Kuro the artist, would have wanted
@@christianbegaye7740 Ummm...English as a 3rd Language much? (e.g. grammar? syntax?? sentence structure???)
I think the fixation on rwby criticism comes from the fact that it has mountains of missed potential. Personally, rwby is the most frustrating show I’ve ever seen. Not the WORST show, the most FRUSTRATING. Because I don’t get angry with a show just for being bad, I just wouldn’t care. But rwby has so much potential that is staring us in the face, but the writers seem incapable of noticing it, and that’s frustrating to watch.
Animation is expensive
@@kraevorn7483 doing worldbuilding on your own to have a more cohesive story going forwards is entirely free
It is definitely a story with a lot of missed potentials. The people making the show themselves don't really seem like the most capable of using the potential. I've seen a lot of RWBY fan works that better utilized the potential. The heart of the series is the fight choreography and the weapons designs. Official RWBY ran out of good fight choreography really fast, and they truly only had a handful of really good weapons designs that match the spirit of the show. Crescent Rose is the poster child of RWBY weapons designs. It's great. But hers is the only good one of her team. Myrtenaster isn't even a transforming weapon. Gambel Shroud and Ember Celica also are less-than-stellar designs. Nora's grenade hammer is another good weapon. And that's about it, from the top of my head. I've seen a number of fan designs that are way better and match the quality of Crescent Rose better than RT's own designs.
As someone who only sees RWBY every like 5 years, I honestly don't get how this show got a fandom that was as loyal as it is...
The "potential" argument also, honestly I feel like you can say that about ANY show that turned out bad in the end. Every show would be better if it had a better written story, characters, exposition, or world building, and it just so happens that RWBY has problems with... pretty much everything.
I mean, it's really telling how bad the show your watching is, if it had writing problems, literally the moment characters started talking
(Character trailer: Black)....
As an outsider, it legitimitely feels like RWBY is the biggest scale gaslight to ever exist in fiction.
People need to learn the difference between, “ this is bad, and this isn’t for me”
People also need to learn the difference between “this is good, and I got enjoyment out of this”
Exactly.
People also *have* to learn "If someone likes something I don't like... _that doesn't make them my enemy._ That doesn't somehow devalue their opinion." I mean, F!@#in' seriously...🙄
And people need to learn the difference between "this is mid," and "this thing's existence is an affront to all that is good in the world."
@@dphalanx7465 And some people state their own opinions as facts. They need to learn the difference between subjective and objective.
@@dphalanx7465 naw, but on that same token if I criticize shitty aspects of what they like it's their fault if they go ballistic. And I don't mean shit like "they have da gay in here" but shit like "maybe don't have the now-40-something year-old go "I've been waiting for this" when the will they won't they TEEN COUPLE finally gets together". And more subjective things like "a confession scene is not good if it's treated like it's capping off a will they won't they that is there only because the show was dragging its feet and not the characters".
Sorry, I really, really hate that M&K just don't fucking learn and are as shit at writing as they were all that time ago without the charm that gormless passion gave it. The fumbles used to be cute. Now the only explanations are either they don't care, are too arrogant to accept that they should care, get off on the abuse they get from it or have a nice number for their IQ value. And I struggle to keep on track because I could rant people's ears off. I believe I've made the point. Like, I'm tryina be civil to the person themselves, I'm not disparaging them for liking it, but I also can't help myself if the topic comes up.
The weird thing is they can legitimately do good writing here. The first half of volume 6 was actually pretty well done, and the entire farm episode managed to build this slow, bizarre, creeping tension for a climax that was ultimately very enjoyable. I agree, I feel like I want to hate it but no matter what it’s weirdly hard for me
Stockholm Syndrome goes CRAAAAZY don’t it
I like the show for its indie creativity but I mean after Monty Oum passed and the other creators is just like screw it with the story and do whatever they want without consistency or reason. I lost hope for the show. I just wanted to end on a peaceful note or something of the sort.
The tricky thing with being a legitimately good writer is that you can't just do occasionally good writing. Any idiot who's read books and is fluent in a language can write bits and pieces of good writing. Heck, I can do that. I can even spout random bits of what appears to be good writing out of my butt. The real mark of a good writer is being able to put all of the bits of good writing together into a cohesive narrative and world that has consistent quality and professionalism. It's like the test of time, or testing the integrity of an entire structure to see if it's stable. It's no good if only sections of the structure are stable. The entire thing needs to be, otherwise it collapses.
Ask me to write a five minute short story, and I can do it with quality and without much effort or time. Ask me to write an epic fantasy spanning an entire fictional world that is meant to go on for ten years...and I'm going to tell you to shove off, because I can't do it. I'm currently working on my own thing, but it's taking a long time, and I mostly just write bits and pieces here and there to fit into the timeline. Problem for RWBY is that RT can't do that. They don't have time, and they can't afford to just write bits and pieces of good writing.
@@itsblitz4437 The show built its original popularity with its action sequences. Such a show doesn't do so great when you try to instead carry it with a massive drop in fight quality in favor of mediocre storytelling. It's a bad trade deal. But it also was never going to sustain itself with just good fight sequences either. Most of the original amazing fights were just reskins of what Monty had already made. But at the pace that the show was going, they were going to run out of that material really fast, and it's not easy to keep making more material of the same quality. They really overextended themselves from the start. A company like RT was not prepared at all to keep a show like this going. If it was just meant to be a 1 and done season, or maybe 1 season every five years or something (like how a lot of anime do not run new seasons every year), then maybe. But they were way too ambitious with what they wanted to do. They lacked the writing talent to make the story work, and they couldn't keep up with the animation demands either.
I have a love / hate relationship with RWBY.
One hand, I see the flaws and firmly believe that this series has loads of potential, but the writers just don't know how to get there. The other, I fell in love with the initial concept of the show, Monty's beautiful choreography, and the iconic main characters. I just can't...let them go. Despite how different the show is now from the first few volumes, there are parts of RWBY that I still adore.
As much as I want to give up on the show, I don't want to. They got me so wrapped up into the story that I absolutely wanna see how it ends. No matter what, i'm still gonna be a fan. I'm happy someone else feels the same way lol
This comment just stated my exact relationship with RWBY. I see the flaws, but i camt stop watching due to how much can be done with the show and how the writers & animators get so close to something exquisite. At least Volume 9 is pretty good.
Sounds unhealthy
I think my feelings on RWBY can be summed up by these words from Tony Stark:
"You start with something simple, something exciting. Then come the mistakes. The comprises. We create our own demons."
This series is the biggest “it’s complicated” for me.
A good amount of RWBY tends to fall flat for me.
But for some damn reason, I just can’t stop watching it.
It’s like a weird addiction.
This show is like my favorite thing on planet Earth, but I realized something recently. My younger brother's friends were wanting to watch RWBY so I broke out the DVD collection and marathoned it with them. And it was then that I realized 50% of the things I know about the world of RWBY aren't from the show. . . They're from a mixture of Miles' panel answers and fannon. I was answering questions constantly and when they asked when a particular subject was brought up I just looked at the ground and realized 'never'.
In a weird way, if the fandom wasn't so dedicated to keeping the world of Remnant alive, I don't think there would be so many hardcore fans today.
RWBY is a great example of many people hating on something so badly that it peaks someone’s interest to check it out for themselves and then they watch it or read it and go like “Huh it wasn’t too bad, I think I’ll keep up watching or reading it” and you know it has flaws and a lot of the criticism is mostly right but you still like it nonetheless it’s like drinking coffee at Starbucks where sure the coffee sucks ass and everyone knows it does but you still like drinking it because either you’re a masochist or you simply while not liking it completely you can still enjoy and appreciate the good stuff
I think that's RWBY's core takeaway "It's not that bad." It has flaws, but if you're willing to acknowledge them and just want to watch an interesting-looking adventure cartoon with some cool music (and the occasional cool visual), there's something there for you. I think alot of the bitterness among the critics stems from the subconscious knowledge that Rooster Teeth is a F!@ked-up company and they are *NEVER* going to listen to the critics (or even well-meaning fans), and they're *NEVER* going to fix the problems.
Exactly!
Thats actually what got me into RWBY. And also volume 9 clips on RUclips.
Smells like an unhealthy relationship. Its better to just drop the series entirely.
@@VChong1991 nope, never will :) but you can if you want to.
bold words for someone without a wasp box handy
NOT THE WASP BOX
I'm so happy with Volume 9 right now for this exact reason. RWBY for the past 2 volumes has basically been a political drama, and I'm so excited for the rest of Volume 9 - a new music composer, an entirely new setting, and a whole new theme very very clearly gives the writers more wiggle room to write an amazing story - and I'm loving it so far.
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RWBY is more disappointing than being the worst thing ever. There's great things that still shine through the all of the messy parts, but the messy parts at times can be so messy that it really leaves a bad taste in your mouth because you know it could be so much better. I think the reason why people feel so strongly about RWBY is BECAUSE of those actually great moments, which makes it all the more frustrating when the show can't be consisy. Btw, I became a fan when Volume 5 aired and I remembered when the fanbase almost all unanimously agreed it was the worst volume. And then Volume 6 happened and everyone got divided over how good or how bad it was and it only got worse from there. RWBY doesn't make me mad, it's just really disappointing because the moments when it's really good showed that it could have been more than it was even with how shoddy the first couple of volumes could be at times.
But honestly, I like to think people hate RWBY less for it being what it is, but more for the company itself: Rooster Teeth. Not only with how RT itself treated RWBY as well as their other animated series in general, but also with all of these controversies about the more notable figures in the company such as Gray Haddock (Torchwick's original VA) and especially Ryan Haywood being terrible people as well as the terrible treatment of various staff that aren't the faces of RT itself, which further left a bad taste in everyone's mouth and further caused even more vitriol. RT itself ever since the late 2010's or even earlier than that have tried to prop themselves as a company as big as all of the other higher end professional companies they're competing with, and yet in some regards they still go about doing things in an unprofessional manner, such as how rushed many of the finales end up being. People don't hate RT for being unprofessional: people hate RT for being unprofessional as the company itself tries more and more to come across as such only to struggle to do so.
Personally, I still hope that even with it being clear that RWBY would never be the show everyone hoped it could be, that MAYBE, just MAYBE it could end off on a good note. It won't automatically redeem the show or anything and it sure as hell won't make up for how CRWBY has been treated, but I still want to hold onto hope that MAYBE this show could still be entertaining despite how disappointing it's become and that I can remember this show for those amazing moments as opposed to just the messy parts and everything surrounding not only it but also RT. I truly don't hate RWBY. I just hate everything surrounding it and I also hate that I can't love the show. I just want to enjoy my stupid American anime with girls with weapons that are also guns killing monsters, dammit! XO
I honestly wonder if it wouldn't be better to license the show to some Japanese studio and just have them re-do the whole thing from the beginning? Now that _Ice Queendom_ is out (and we've seen what a Japanese studio can do), are people more (or less) inclined towards this idea these days? Regarding the domestic alternative--I'm not sure if there's an animation studio here in the states that could handle it?
Well, it looks like RWBY is done. There won't be a V10. And RT is shut down.
RT's damage to the show really paid off.
As for the rushed feeling. I feel like part of it is backlash from the criticisms that volumes 1-3 are light on plot. Volumes 4 & 5 feel like they should have been 3 volumes instead of 2, as volume 5 has our main group (team RNJR + Qrow and oscar) sit and twiddle their thumbs waiting for the rest of the plot points to converge, when they should have been going on a mission to protect haven from grimm due to the shortage of huntsman while the rest of team RWBY gathers to meet them and Team WTCH is plotting and doing their thing to get them killed on mission. THEN have volume 6 be focused on lionheart and the battle of haven.
It's supposed to end on the halfway point and the way the show was paced previously as trilogies makes the following volumes feel cramped, rushed, and bloated... precisely because they got tired of people complaining about things going too slowly, especially after volume 4.
RWBY has, from the start, been a show with a huge cast of characters and a lot of moving pieces going on in the background, but shows with big casts need room and screentime to breathe - something you're not going to get in 14 episodes where at any given episodes there's like 30 characters need to be doing something.
I totally agree, RWBY is like my Guilty pleasure,
I know the writing isn't good, but I still enjoy watching it.
It’s called Stockholm syndrome tbh tbh
@@bushamo Bad hype, too much bombast; hysteronic. By the *actual* definition of Stockholm Syndrome, @zackbrangen should become an advocate for RWBY; e.g. a total symp. _Which he is not, and does not._ Instead, he merely acknowledges that he takes some pleasure in the consumption of a flawed product. *10 Points off @bushamo for being a Dumbass.*
As a day 1 RWBY fan and a massive RT fan, (at least for a while, I've kinda fallen off as of late) people need to understand that shows are allowed to be ok and that RWBY is ok. RWBY has really high highs and pretty low lows, and even as a die hard fan to this day I can't ignore them, but I don't think calling it mid or garbage is a fair assessment. The show is fun, the show has cool fight scenes and you can enjoy it for that and accept that not all of it is amazing or even good. I didn't come to this show expecting to rethink my philosophy about life, or be wowed away by the cleanest animation ever to exist and if people did then I'm sorry they have way too high expectations. It's good, it's alright, it's fine, and that is ok, not everything people enjoy have to be 10/10 masterpieces
RWBY is garbage
As Max from Camp Camp once said, even cool kids can take uncomfortable shits sometimes.
It also has a dope soundtrack that does a mix of spoiling and fleshing out the story & characters years in advance. I think a lot of the newer fans miss out on the early days that you got a considerable chunk of the story through the ost - so when they just binge it either ignoring the ost or listening to it after the fact, some of the magic and plot gets lost. They aren't exactly sitting with the songs for months analyzing them while waiting for the next volume to drop, piecing together teases and the character's inner monologues in the meantime.
I’ve been watching RWBY since red trailer and my honest opinion on the show is that I just like it. That’s it. I like it and I’ll watch it and be sad when it ends because I like it. I rewatch some old episodes occasionally for nostalgia.
I burned out on any arguments years ago in my teen days and only recently had to re-remind myself not to get back in and start arguing.
It’s like the green goblin suit for me tbh.
I do recommend for anyone the three part video series by Hypeathon on ‘Monty’s Vision’. It’s as factual and non-biased as you can be on the info behind the early production and dispels a lot of misconceptions behind it.
I will never hate this show, I just think it's kinda neat! RWBY Critics are very scary people.
and another volume seven lover!!! thank you!
They're very bitter people; ignored by the company and scarred by the blowback from rabid, toxic fans---not realizing that it was the unrelenting onslaught of unmitigated criticism that drove a chunk of the fans crazy and turned them into toxic _fan-natics in the first place._
I don't hate this show
Frankly I love this show, there's something cringe about it, but overall it's a very good show
- From an Average RT Fan
One thing I hate about RWBY is that 90% of the videos on RUclips when you search Ruby are negative with people who don’t offer any constructive feedback,, but just cherry pick the things they don’t like I’m pass them off as fact
That’s not necessarily true, a lot of the critique videos I’ve watched about this show offer corrections. There are also Volume rewrite videos out there
1:06 RWBY inspired me to write my own story... I've always wanted to, but I knew it was going to be trash. However after seeing RWBY I thought, "damn! Whatever I write there is no way that it can be worse than this!" Plus, the template of a very flawed yet established world works well as training wheels for a writing noob who wants to write their won story (I think).
Btw, not a RWBY fan. I binged S1 to S8 in a day as a part of a dare with my friend.
funny enough thinking about how we all keep watching Rwby even if it's bad makes me think of Blake's line "When you've been at someone's side for so long, after a while they become a part of you." I mean this show is has been running for about a third of my life that's a lot of invested time to just walk away 😅
We are Blake and RWBY is Adam LOL
I don't hate rwby also, i'm just dissapointed in the potential. And yeah, the rewrites are basically fanfictions
I genuinely feel insane whenever people talk about rwby, too many people just parrot one another but never actually say anything other than "it fell off after season 3" as if season 3 itself wasn't the only highlight from the original seasons before monty died and as if season 4 and most of 5 wasn't already planned before his death. I get the dislike of seasons 4 & 5 and how it could paint a bad view of "oh this got worse after his death" but honestly I don't think there was anything that could have been done for those seasons. Monty was a phenomenal animator and conceptual designer but I do not believe his death affected the overall plot like some people seem to think.
I kind of see myself as in the middle. Like I first jumped on RWBY just around the time of Monty Oum's death, and I thought "Oh wow. No way this is gonna age well." And in a way I was right. Volumes 1 and 2 felt like a rushed mess where the main characters felt sidelined for Jaune's story. And then some idiot I used to be friends with spoilered ALL OF VOLUME 3 FOR ME BEFORE I EVEN GOT THE CHANCE TO WATCH IT! So I found myself dropping the series entirely up until around volume 6 was airing. So I picked up from where I left off and I found myself actually invested in the characters, I found myself enjoying the story even if it meant no more stupid high school shenanigans which was the original draw of the show, and just recently I have gotten over my petty childish dislike of Jaune and find him to be hella relatable. I may not have been there since Day 1, and I get a lot of the problems people have with RWBY's narrative. But I'm 35 years old now, and find myself caring very little for a lot of things nowadays. So when something as amateurish and trashy as RWBY is still able to make me -feel- some kind of emotion, I can't bring myself to hate it. Hell, I'll add more salt to the blasphemy I'm spewing: I liked Justice League X RWBY and thought it was fun! Fight me!
Smh
I've noticed that a lot of those hyper aggressive critic's problem's Are essentially as if they went to McDonalds or Burger King, ordered a hamburger, and then got super pissy that it wasn't a gourmet steak. RWBY is decent, and easily enjoyable so long as you don't get up your own ass about it not being the absolute best thing to ever grace your mind.
I walked away from RWBY fom the simple fact that it has been a decade now and the story is nowhere close to its endgame. And I get that there are series and shows that drags its story like it's the same weight as the iceberg that sunk the titanic, looking at you One Piece, but even those gets to retain their audience in the form of monthly or weekly releases while RWBY does none of that. Even if there are problems with the characters, the setting, or the entire story for that matter RWBY still wouldn't have lost the interest of its audience if they didn't drip feed the damn thing like its nectar from the gods. If Rooster Teeth actually had a concrete plan for this show current year RWBY would've been drastically different in both production value and content release.
Hard to have a concrete plan when your plot wasn’t implemented until four years in
The last few volumes writing was terrible. Especially V8. And V9 went nowhere in terms of advancing the story and was just filler.
RWBY had become to damaged to recover it seems. RWBY is done (under RT). There will be no V10.
Thing is I don't hate RWBY, I just feel nothing anymore. It makes me feel little to nothing. I can't even watch RWBY if it's not watching someone else watch it. I can only really get enjoyment from watching someone else watch it. Well I guess I do FEEL something when I try to watch it but it's.....distress and woe. Like even trying to watch the parts I like makes me surprisingly upset given I simultaneously feel nothing, but I've found watching certain people watch or recap it is the only way I can enjoy it with any....enjoyment. Unfortunate but starting with Volume 4 and ending with Volume six, I just hit a breaking point I didn't expect. I wasn't even involved in the community till the Adam fight in Volume 6 where I was legitimately confused why they were trying to act like Blake and Yang were an item, let alone even had a relationship of any kind. That's when I found out there was a whole lengthy spreadsheet of ships and that the people involved just like them together and claim it was "planned" when literally nothing was set up beforehand if you watched without being tainted by shipping. I mean I didnt ship anyone really but Blake and Yang were not a good pair because they have no build up and progressively got worse as characters so seeing them togther other than "being 2 girl" means nothing and gives nothing. Very strange but it is what is when it comes to this show. I mean they are trying more NOW but it's way too late in the game to matter
Yeah, bmblb was entirely them caving to shippers midway through. Monty stated that none of the 4 girls would date each other, blake & sun have multiple songs together in the ost, and the 1 blake x yang song (titled "bmblb") was added to the ost with a statement by the composer that it was a non-canon "just for fun" song. As opposed to all other RWBY songs which were canon POVs from different characters - acting as inner monologues and teases for different plot elements (often both).
Another thing to point out: If RWBY were truly irredeemable, it wouldn't get the level of hate that it does. The worst movies in existence aren't the ones that people hate en mass; they're the ones no one remembers in the first place, the ones that don't even have a cult following. For RWBY to still be getting the level of attention that it does, it must be doing something right.
I came to this show at the start of V4. I honestly do not think I would have watched the show if it stayed the way it was in the first 2 volumes. I tried watching the trailers and V1 but I just couldn’t get into it. I only started when Flamingshark reacted to it so I gave it a shot. I almost dropped it again until the end of V3 when the story actually started. The mysterious voice in the very first episode actually being the big bad??! I was hooked
I related to this video on a spiritual level every 30 seconds.
RWBY moment
Facts
I'm on rewatch for the third time right now and I still love it. When you watch again you see more details that I fell in love with. Yes, animation is "cheap" but I prefer animations from season 2/3 than the new ones. Despite many shortcomings, I still love RWBY.
I absolutely adore RWBY but I want them to wrap the story up before they can never finish it. I feel it’s one of those few shows that started pretty bad but honestly is going strong. If they’d get their heads outta their asses and just make some good games finally then we’d honestly have a strong fandom. Also I believe that Ice Queendom should’ve been a rehash of the first 3-4 seasons but in a quicker and more cohesive way. So new people can get into it without the suffering
The biggest problem with RWBY is identity. It didn't know what it wanted to be. The first 2 volumes were vool characters with awesome fight scenes and no story. Volume 2 tried to have a story, but it fell flat. It was only in Volume 3 where the show knew what it wanted to be, just to start losing that identity slowly after.
And that is why I love and hate it so much. I saw what it was on Volume 3 just for it to be lost again.
The first 3 volumes RWBY was a futuristic western and all abilities relied on dust, could've been a good story but they focused on school
RWBY vol 4-9 they can finally explore but now the world building is kinda random
@@almessasorrow4950 yeah the world building is very random. Like there being medieval looking villages in this world feels off.
The problem isn't that RWBY is bad it's that it's sometimes bad and sometimes it's good, so you can never quite say "oh this is just bad, I'm done" because every know and then it'll be good and you'll be like, "is this good now?" but it's never 100% either way. I remember actually eehhh-ing when Blake told Ruby she admired her. Of course after a while it did occur to me that moment should have happened several volumes ago. At this point I just want to watch it to the end, whenever that will be, so I can remember the good parts.
Ice Queendom, and the Shiro Miwa manga, are honestly the only RWBY things I can actually consider good. Yeah Ice Queendom was a dreamworld story but that was always gonna be the main focus of that series and it wasn’t meant to be a remake. And as a side story it made me care a hell of a lot more about the characters than the show is doing by this point. Yeah the animation got rough at times, but when it got good it was really good and it was honestly the most hype I had ever felt for ANYTHING involving this franchise.
I just wish there was an anime adaptation of the RWBY manga
@@bushamo eh keep waiting on that. Besides, it’s not like the manga was really that good to begin with. At least for me it wasnt
RWBY is one of those perfectly ok shows.
Although I do think the critics have gotten a little lazy in the past two volumes. Eruptionfang used to be one of my favorite to watch, but then he started making really odd mistakes and getting really angry about them. Like how he thought Penny not.being able to see Tyrian at the rally attack was plot convenience, but it was shown to be Watts hacking her. Or how he thought the writers were trying to make people think Penny was actually dead after Amity and that it was a fake out death. When Winter actually told everyone Penny was alive and flying towards Atlas and Watts, also explained what she was doing after that when Cinder was threatening him.
It's definitely got flaws, but those weren't two of them.
RWBY had too many flaws. Particularly in the last few volumes. And it cost the show. RWBY is done as we know it. There will be no V10.
To be honest, I just feel absolutely nothing towards this show anymore except for disappointment. All my faith has been slowly crushed whenever I tried to believe the show could be good, only for the writers to kill off my favorite characters in the most disrespectful ways possible. Why should I care if the writers clearly don't care about their own characters themselves. The plot is an aimless mess at this point and now season 9 is even acknowledging just how bad the characterization has gotten. I just can't bring myself to have any investment in the show anymore. It's just not healthy for me at this point.
I always thought that RWBY is the broccoli of animation: everyone treats it like it's the worst vegetable in the planet and that it will literally make you vomit the time you eat it but when finally taste it you say "huh, it doesn't taste as bad as people say" and you either don't eat it again and move on or you start eating it regularly because you ended up liking it.
Also if the show had came out during the 2000s and ended between 2005-2012 it will be treated as an internet classic and it will be loved by many, i have no proof but also no doubts.
Well I mean yeah
For real, I'm a person who was there at day 1, I watched the Red Trailer at it's launch. When Volume 1 came out, at the bully arc, I said "I'm outta this shit" and then just ignored any new Volumes. When Volume 4 arrived and there's ads on Crunchyroll, I said to myself "Is that actually RWBY?" And then I watched It all again, Volume 1 to 5 (volume 5 was the last one out at that time) and I really think that RWBY got better after Volume 3??? 4 - 6 it's... ahm... good?, and 7 - 9 It's legit good? I mean, I'm really hyped to see where things are going, and that [SPOILER ALERT] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yang and Blake confession episode was so fucking good? I mean, I was not a bumbleby shipper and I legit cried watching that scene.
For me RWBY fans are trying to see RWBY at something it will never be, and I'm not saying this "something" is literally "being good" I just think that RWBY is good in the way they are writting right now. I just think people got used to hate about anything in the show, and rn, even when there's no need to hate and hyper critisize, they will. Cmon, there was people hating on how Yang defended Blake in Ruby's mental breakdown. Something that is literally first response to anyone. If was my bro attacking my gf and saying shit to her, I will defend her instead of being sorry about my bro.
What I'm trying to say is: I'm a day 1 RWBY fan (kind of) and I really enjoy where the show is going and I really hyped for Volume 9 plots and future volumes.
ps: My first language isn't english, sorry if there's some poor grammar in my comment. Please understand
I think this is what people call guilty pleasure.
I might be wrong.
Eh
A lot of people compare new RWBY to old RWBY acting like the show used to be amazing but now it sucks. Bro, nah, RWBY has never been amazing. The animations were janky most of the time, the writing was cringey as hell and most of the characters weren't that deep. We loved it because it was our old palls at RT giving a guy who did sick as hell fight animations the go ahead to make an anime of his own. It wasn't gunna be a masterpiece but it was entertaining. For me I rewatched every volume after I stopped at the end of Volume 6, I felt the story slowed down a little in the middle volumes but really picked up from 7 onwards. They didn't make the masterpiece everyone thinks old RWBY was but damn was it still entertaining.
I binged the series quite recently. Had nothing to watch and remembered "Hey there's this show people were talking about years ago, maybe I should give it a shot", so I got crunchyroll and started watching.
And to me, it's like The Legend of Korra or The Clone Wars, quite decent, if not actually good shows, despite having parts that really stops them from being as highly regarded as Avatar: The Last Airbender or Arcane. Sure, the animation wasn't that good initially, and some seasons felt slow, some fight scenes may have been clunky, and a few writing choices weren't on par, but still I was hooked. I often see people saying (or making videos) that shows like RWBY (or Korra) are "garbage". I don't think they actually care about objective criticism, and only focus on ragebaiting and negativity, for whatever reason.
I don't hate RWBY at all. Been a fan ever since the first Trailer and I still love the series. It's not perfect but I enjoy watching it and the characters. The only thing I dislike is as you mentioned is sheer amount of Hate Videos there are all over youtube, it's ridiculous.
Look, im just a camp camp fan who got lost, but one glimpse of rwby gave me curiosity, but i never actually watched the series *because* of the hate. I was scared of falling in love with it and the hate slowly clawing at my mental health, but this video made me realize that no, i should not fall in love with it, but i shouldn't abandon it. Thank you!
Honestly as someone who only started watching the series recently due to the hbomberguy video I think you are pretty on point.
I feel like everything has been steadily improving, minus some hiccups.
Volumes 7 & 8 were honestly my favorite out of all of them.
I don't think the show is high art, but I think it's a lot better than people give it credit for and the first volumes alot worse.
what do you MEAN good things and bad things can exist simultaneously? either the show is bad, or the show is perfect, nuance is a myth and i am always correct
What is “nuance”
Each time i see RWBY, Vaas' this quote comes to mind;
"Did i tell you the definition of insanity ???"
thats cap, I got here late is two parts, one was 2015 with the music and watched it full, and then again when chapter 8 was leaked
To summarize: It hurts to let go but it feels good to hang on...RWBY and it's story tread this line with the acrobatic balance of a drunken, narcoleptic monkey...and most of us are still invested to see the chaos unfold every step of the way.
Never thought I'd comment this under a RWBY video, but I pretty much agree with everything that you've said here. Well, there is one exception - it's not only the people who were there for the Red Trailer that are the only RWBY fans that stick around to this day. I came across this series years ago through fanart, when I checked what it actually is and saw it's some Deviantart-tier MMD show about fighting girls I was all like "nah I'm not watching that". But recently I saw they actually improved the animation a lot in the most recent seasons and decided to give it a try. So me, a grown-ass 23-year-old man, binged all 8 volumes in like a month, and loved every second of it.
But here's the thing - I knew what I was getting into. I knew it was a show with crappy animation, I knew I should not expect it to have groundbreaking writing, I was watching it for pure, dumb fun. And that's exactly what I got, with some genuinely good moments here and there. For that reason alone I simply cannot hate on this show. It's as you said - it's like watching a school play, you never except it to be good, but don't hate it for what it isn't, might as well just enjoy it for what it *is*. I think people who overly hate or praise RWBY seriously need to touch some grass and realize what kind of show they're watching.
Stockholm Syndrome havers unite!
I literally binged it during lockdown and I will thought it was really good
As an outsider looking in, RWBY hate is nothing special. I've seen this kind of obsession before in many fandoms/hatedoms. While there is some legit criticism, it's mostly an excuse for people to stay angry.
1:30 I discovered RWBY for the first time when V5 was still going (or at least was the most recent one), and I suppose I'm an abomination, because I haven't watched any critique videos in... I don't even know how long (I certainly don't remember any of the actual critiques, although I know in general what people complain about) and have thoroughly enjoyed the entire journey (as you see most reactors do as well) and don't feel like anything has gone down in quality (other than action scenes, which I think are pretty good, but not as good as Monty's). I'm gonna copy-paste my comment from the AI presidents video. It's pretty short, but it's my view on RWBY.
Throughout V1-V3, I really enjoyed were the characters, action scenes, and the setup for future seasons, but I loved the show more each volume. I got into it pretty early, but my interest skyrocketed when they introduced everything about the maidens. The story and characters just got more and more interesting to me each volume, and V8 is probably my favorite volume so far (with V7 being a close second), although V9 might overtake it, we'll see.
The early volumes were great (aside from the animation, obviously), but contrary to a lot of people, my interest and love for the show just grew and grew the further into the show we got. For me V1-V3 have become less interesting to watch as time has passed, mostly due to the later story becoming far more interesting and intriguing. I still enjoy watching V1-V3 for the characters, action, and story setup, but I far more enjoy watching the later volumes because of the greater plot. I absolutely love shows with a grand story, and that's what RWBY has become.
how is Stockholm syndrome the best explanation for my condition with rwby i've ever heard?
People are far too critical of this show. Just vibe fr
ONG This is how I wanna explain it to people
Don't look into it, just watch without criticizing
@@OrbInDaFrame If you need to deactivate your brain to enjoy a show then there's a major problem with it.
I'm definitely in this boat.
There are alot of interesting idea's, scenes, and power systems at play in rwby that have a strong grip on me. But when characters have powers that they rarely use and characters do weird things for the sake of conflict I'm left being nitpicky, hoping I'll get more scenes of the stuff I like.
For whatever reason I don't want to stop watching this show, but I also hate how a lot of parts of it are written.
I don't hate rwby, its just a disappointment to me. I can see a number of good ideas that it had but it was executed badly. Do i like rwby? No. Do i hate rwby? No. I just no longer care for it so whatever happens to it in the future, be it good or bad, i don't really care anymore.
Is this like a JJK thing where it's all missed potential 😭
small nitpick: Miles Luna doesn't write Jaune's scenes because of the accusations of self-inserting
Still
then who does?
@@dgbd9030 Kerry
I don't hate it at all and I don't think its bad or terrible. I think everything has flaws and if you look hard enough at any show you'll find them.
Perfectly fine to criticize it and some criticisms i can understand, but i think people need to stop using what amounts to "cope" as a counterargument to why people might disagree with negative criticism. I think it's perfectly fine to agree to disagree and have your own opinion without insulting the other persons intelligence and taste in media.
I definitely think the show is just "fine" and always has been but i think people judge it way too harshly.
We can agree on that statement, but let’s not forget the quote he said, “anime homework.” It’s an upfront illusion of a fanfic universe to play around with more than being hardcore novelty. It’s a beautiful unfinished sympathy
I honestly think Rwby is good even with the animation and awkward dialog moments in V1 through 3. I never hated any of the volumes, Imo Rwby is a good show/anime to watch it may have ups and downs, but if you really look at it it's beautiful.
Honestly, my thoughts could be best summarized as “It’s fine.” I enjoy the show, it’s plot and characters, and I also realize that it’s heavily flawed. At the end of the day, it’s fine. Not great, not awful, just fine.
I'm not buying it, it's everybody's problem for disgraceful and disgusting actions at RWBY, unacceptable.
What
when the shield girl died you can tell whatever story they had building up to that point just fell off. at least, thats how i saw it at the time and how i will forever see it. then when i was told (late around season 5 or 6 i guess) that monty died i finally realized why the fight scenes felt so bad to watch. i just gave up. i dont openly hate on rwby but i do realize it will never be what i thought or wanted it to be so i had to let go. but i hold out hope that maybe one of the remakes out there will do the story justice in a format my adhd brain can digest.
i dont read but i heard the manga was the best one so far.
TLDR: i wasted my time and energy on rwby.
I’ll say now as an OG former fan of RT my hate for the series is my understanding and escalation of my expectations for the series especially since RT decided more and more to be a bigger company.
With me allowing themselves v4-5 as a sort of a leeway period to let them settle themselves. But from v6 and onwards it’s always the same issues if a lot of promises, but failing the landing every time and learning more behind the scenes stuff just frustrates me.
And I always elaborate I hate Rwby not the people behind it as I now find the series to be well more trouble for everyone than it’s worth.
Side note I think people should pursue to surpass Monty in animation ability. I doubt he’d ever want to be seen as the ceiling. Otherwise then there’s just no where else to go and no one else will ever create such scenes like him which is not true.
The problem is that it’s not that bad, but it also threatens to be good. Which is INFINITELY worse
The threat to be good was not good enough.
To be honest RWBY is better than a lot of the “mainstream” anime we have.
Like what
@@bushamo yeah I think RWBY is better than shows like One Piece or Bleach
@@star-lordtheoutlawandbluet8494 I haven't watched either, but that is *super* debatable.
I'm reluctant to say RWBY is better than those, because they both absolutely had a huge cultural impact and is considered to be up there with Dragon Ball Z and Naruto.
What’s weird for me are the people that keep coming back after expressing much they hate it? Like it’s fine if you don’t like it but don’t be a hero hei or vexed viewer.
People who make their entire personalities that they hate RWBY are cringe
@@bushamo extremely cringe.
@@bushamoand people who make their entire life about RWBY are any better?
@@Slayer398 that’s an entirely separate sentence
@@bushamo Not really, the ones who live breathe RWBY and defend any criticism of it as if it is a personal attack are just the flip side of those who hate all aspects of RWBY for no real reason. Both are blind in their views and won't listen to anything counter to them.
Meanwhile me and my bf watching RWBY in 2023 and liking it
Meanwhile me reading this comment and laughing cause the show is actually dead lmao.
@@summerking-wq1sd"ohhh nooo god forbid someone enjoys something I don't, better shame them for it"
@@dr.ducttape2161 I should lol. But I wasn’t shaming you for liking it lmao. Typical rwby fan. Jumping straight to victim mentality. It’s funny because it’s canceled lmao.
Rwby fanfiction is literally a blue hole. There's no comprehensible way to summarize or even be aware of all 30k plus stories of it. Take your pick, will you focus on crossovers, or will you try your hand at the entire rewrites of the story itself.
Well look at it this way, as of today, all that's left of RWBY are fanfics.
So I haven't been a fan since day 1 of RWBY but I've been a fan since RWBY Yang vs Tifa Death battle and ever since then Yang has stayed in my mind ever since and made me an instant fan of the show. Even with all the show's flaws and how it really doesn't have much of an excuse to being flawed now that RT is more corporate nowadays, I'll love this franchise for the rest of my life even with all the flaws and hate.
I watch rwby like I read fanfiction which is to say not expecting technical excellence or for it to be well put together but for interesting and fun ideas and a passion for what is being made. does rwby always have that no but it usually does.
Boruto slander is on point
Rip Bozo
Potential and the promise that comes with it is often a beautiful intoxication that keeps someone lingering for a while to see if any of that will bare fruit. and RWBY even to this day is certainly full of that kind of promise.
The first time I saw this series was at my Dad's take your kid to work day. His friend put on episode 1 of Vol.1 (this was around 2014 or 2015 or some shit I don't remember) and was gassing it up n shit, and I forgot it's name so it just existed as a fever dream in my mind until I got into fighting games and saw BBTAG and was like "HOLY SHIT ITS RED RIDING HOOD WITH A SCYTHE AGAIN".
Then I watched up to like Vol. 3 and forgot most of what happened. I gotta check out the manga...
I totally agree with what you said about "if you're going to spend this much time making fanfiction and especially if you're just remaking the story's foundations from the ground up, you might as well make a new story of your own" , I've been working on a RWBY tabletop RPG for a few months (almost a year now), the reason for the delay was (besides some personal issues) I'm looking for any and all kinds of supplemental content, canon or not, like novels, games, Fairytails of Remnant, mangas, etc. My philosophy for this RPG is "I'm not going to rule out ANYTHING", at most I'll retcon past concepts, events and how some things like magic and aura works, imagine the story as if it were a "what if", it takes place at the same time as the show and I'll give freedom to the players to change the course of the narrative, thus being able, for example, to avoid the death of a character, or bring an antagonist to their side.
(Btw is just wanted to say that, since i'm brazilian i had to pay some absurd prices to import the books and novels from the US, being a RWBY fan in Brazil is just pain)
I really love that Popsicle Stick analogy. Because some Popsicle Stick Houses are nice to look at. They won't function as a real house, but they're still nice to look at. And I think that sums up RWBY pretty well; a series that I enjoy watching that does well enough for what it is.
I've kind of always enjoyed this show unironically. I completely understand that it's not even close to perfect (I mean, Volume 5 exists) but I do genuinely feel like V6-9 have been far better in the writing department (and action department compared to 4&5)
After finishing Volume 9, I went to youtube to see what commentary had been made. And of course, I find a sea of videos criticizing the show for one reason or another. I'm far from a diehard fan or an uncritical viewer, I just like RWBY. And I find so many of the criticisms to be accurate, but far overblown. There is SO MUCH mediocre media out there that RWBY getting chastised as often as it does is odd to me.
I'm grateful to watch what may be the first video about RWBY's quality that feels reasonable. The show has a massive charm to it that lets people who value it overlook (or accept) its flaws. Which is a positive! I'm excited to watch your other videos on the topic. If they're anything like this one, they won't make me close the video a third of the way in due to nitpicking like the last 5 I've attempted to watch from others 😅
Rwby is a series that honestly a guilty pleasure that I can’t find in my heart to hate i know about the drama the series has but honestly the series has good ideas just because of their short chapter structure they try to cram so much lore into episodes without a chance to breath
I got into RWBY like a month ago for god knows why (I dont remember) and I fucking love it, sure the animation is trash in the first volumes but I always enjoyed the story. I felt great payoff by volume 4 seeing the animation improve so drastically and the story remaining cohesive without being predictable, one of my favorite shows now actually. The only volume I really didnt like was actually 9, Im so invested on the story of maidens and remnant and whatnot, I really dont care to see a whole volume of crazy slow character development in an otherwise irrelevant realm. Another huge animation upgrade though, volume 9 looked amazing.
This is some sort of TV Dunning Kreuger effect; like as it gets better, you start to realise it's not actually as good as you thought it was. I'll be honest, this used to be a guilty pleasure for me. But we're post-cringe, and I just kinda like it. I like that it tries, and you can see a bunch of people behind the scenes get better. I think that's what's so compelling about it to so many people.
Yeah, when I introduce RWBY to people, I literally tell them that it's not that good. Like a solid 7 at the best of times, a solid 2 or 3 at the worst, and most of the time, like a 5. But it's still, unironically, my favorite show. In no small part due to the fact that it can, repeatedly, make me cry. Somethin that very, VERY rarely happens. And I genuinely think it's those moments that make the more mediocre ones worth watching.
At this point I watch the show out of morbid curiosity to see what preposterous thing they try next.
Though I did find it frustrating when that one guy at roosterteeth (I don't know who) was essentially patting himself on the back for what they did to Ironwood. Trying to make it seem like a stroke of genius by invoking the "road to hell paved with good intentions" proverb.
Yeah tbh
I enjoyed the 1st half of v6
V7 was filler to me except one ep. (Should’ve used Arrowfell as the plot for V7 instead of… an insert of Trump v Hilary ‘16.
V8….
Anyway V9, ep. 7 was wild. Can’t wait to see Ruby go vigilante like Deku /hj
RWBY has been the biggest disappointment and blue-balling experience with a story I've experienced in my life. Every volume past 3 has one or two moments every volume that actually make me feel invested in something, be it a character moment or story beat, then at the end I feel something similar to post-nut clarity.
You hit the nail on the head. I haven't watched RWBY since volume 5 ended. I gave up on it. Yet I still consistently think about it to this day.
People like me encountered RWBY as an impressionable teenager and connected with the idea of a fully fledged ("fully fledged") animated series created by a (perceptually) small group of people on the internet. They didn't have the backing of a large company but they tried it anyway. I fell in love with the concept of "RWBY the show" and a naive dream that maybe I could do something similar.
And then it immediately crashed and burned.
People like me grew to hate it out of love. Love for a romantic dream that never existed. It's kind of bitter isn't it?
I don't hate it anymore but I still cling to the naive dream, just not the dream of RWBY.
RWBY is like that one guilty pleasure everyone has, everyone knows it’s bad, it never was that good to begin with, but something about it just makes you come back for more.
Idk. Can you really hate something that bad if you actively search for it? To some people it just fun, like the old cartoon’s, realistically speaking they were never marvel’s of animation, but nostalgia and memories makes us think it actually was that good.
Still love this series tho, with its up’s and downs, I can’t help but love it.
As an OG who was there the day the Red Trailer dropped at the end of the RvB finale, it's like watching a friend waste away.
Vol 1-3 are the true 'Oum experience' as Monty Oum passed away mid-production in Vol 3. The story had its issues but at least there was continuity with lessons learned and a sense of actual progression. Some people will say that it had problems finding its voice but it was meant to start as a simple 'monster of the week' with a slice of life element.
The short runtimes of the show in its early days were the biggest problem with pacing and that was more due to RoosterTeeth trying to manage its longest running flagship series. Red Vs Blue was starting to run out of steam but the studio continued to march on trying to make it work.
RWBY wouldn't catch fire until Vol 1 Ep 8 'Players and Pieces'. It was only then that RT realized they had a viable replacement and could allow RvB to finally rest when its star faded. It had charm. It had passion. It was plucky underdog helmed by a creator with a dream and a drive to make it happen. And despite its short comings it was the 'little show that could' that captured us.
Monty's signature High Octane 'Poetry in Motion' was the 'Show Don't Tell' that helped RWBY make its mark and hit the ground running.
Volumes 4 onward was when the show started to flag and then crash and burn. Without the Creator at the helm, coherency was lost. Volumes started to take on a 'only the current volume is canon' approach. Lessons learned were quickly forgotten causing the heroes to become hypocrites since the show became an epic instead of a cartoon sitcom where the end must result in the status quo. The rules of the world were changed. The story started to focus more on 'current events' in the real world instead of telling that of a fictional one.
Characters were rewritten and changed at the whim of the fanbase. The writers resorted to cheap angst porn and low hanging fruit to tug at heartstrings. Everything had to be a twist so they could subvert expectations.
To say nothing of the Cast and Crew who would belittle and lash out when fans started to become discontent and voice concerns. When they asked 'why is this not up to the standards of old' they were deemed bigots who hated progress.
People miss the charm and plucky sprit of the Oum era. And given how the studio was shut down and RWBY sold off, there weren't enough 'new' fans to support the 'new' direction everyone tries to defend.
Look man its like a great otaku once said we all have trash taste rwby is just a prime example that no matter how trash it is we do not give a FUCK we still love the hell out of it and won't fucking leave. Rwby may not be great but it doesn't matter because we will watch it anyway let's just hope it gets better so instead of watching normal trash we watch it as decent trash.
I just finishes the latest volume of RWBY too, and I gotta say, it really does give me hope for the next volume. I genuinely think it would be very hard for the writers to fumble the bag with all they’ve set up so far. What do I think of RWBY as a whole? It’s…..fine, it’s not bad but I can’t say it’s great either. It takes 4 steps forward but 2 egregious steps back for a lot of it’s story ideas and concepts. But Volume 9 may have just restored my slowly regrowing faith in the show in a very major way, I still like the show after all.
I resonate with this, honestly. I’ve seen one too many RUclipsrs (who shall not be named but if you know, you know) use the show’s controversies to fuel their grift. Controversy brings views, and it’s sad that the FNDM falls into this trap of negativity and toxic positivity, ruining experiences for folks like myself who hold no real grudge against the show for its flaws.
I like the show but I'm not blind to the missed potential that happens a lot but I just can't help but like the good stuff like amvs, out of context videos, fan projects like Evermarrow, and the times the show had legitimately good stuff like the Mangas, and good volumes like V2, V3, V7, and V9
RWBY has been a rollercoaster for me. Back in highschool this show was the greatest thing ever. Incredible humor, charming and lovable characters, strong female leads, and great action. At the time I thought the story writing was ok; I didnt notice how bad it was back then. Then volume 3 got legitimately great on the story front and I fell in love with it even more. But then the animation, pacing, humor, and character personalities mostly flew out the window in volume 4 and 5 and I got bored and exhausted of it. Major things I loved the show for were just gone, although I wasn't too cognizant of what was happening at the time aside from the animation issues. The first half of volume 6 was incredible (second half was fine), and it made me realize just how much better the story could be, and could have been. That's when I really started realizing the show's flaws. However from then on the show kept getting better with every volume (imo) until today, with volume 9 just being legitimately great.
I think the show is truly decent now, although it's still not really the show it originally was, or it originally promised. Its strengths and weaknesses are different now. It's kinda found a new identity to call its own, and even though it's not the show I fell in love with, it is the show that I love now, and I'm going to stick with it.
I've come to realize that I love the setting and concept of RWBY, but I HATE the writing.
I really want to dislike RWBY but I just can't help falling back into the show because I've been following these characters since the beginning and I want to see where the story is gonna go.
I love Team RWBY and JNPR and the villains and I have to know how their story wraps up. Even if it'll hurt
Just as you're about to call it quits, it gets good enough again to pull you back in...
I had never watched RWBY until Volume 8 was already finished, and I think the show has many faults but is overall worth the time and effort to keep up with it and support the IP. Wish the first RWBY movie wasn't a crossover tho😐
im surprised youre not more popular, this is an excellent video! leep up the good work man
Rwby is a show with sometimes good and sometimes dogshit writing but hey, I like the characters, designs are good, and it’s usually just sorta a fun time. Like I can shit on the show all I want but at the end of the day I’m still watching it when I’ve probably dropped “better” shows after less time so there’s clearly something there. All things considered this is probably the rwby review I relate too most
It's the writing that did it in. It had gotten pretty bad in the later volumes.
Maybe so, but I still like RWBY and will be there for the final episode. It looks like volume 10 will be at least 2 years out, if it gets a green light.
The stockholm syndrome is so real. I've seen other terrible series before and I'm able to drop them without fail, but *RWBY* has me in a fucking chokehold.
I want so badly to just drop it, but I've been following the series since I was 12 so I can't. I need to see how this trainwreck ends.
And as you said, I keep holding onto hope that it'll be good because there *are* good aspects to this series, but for every good writing decision they make, five terrible ones are sure to follow 💀
I just want to see it through to the end and maybe, when it finally dies, I will be released from the shackles this cursed series put on me
As someone who stopped at the end of volume 6, I REALLY feel like I should come back to it...