God indicates that He does whatever He wants and that He does not have to give us any reasons. He does not care about our judgement, our opinions. All in all, everythink leads finally to good. Even if we cannot see or understand the final worth of suffering. It does not stop Him. He knows better. And this is weird but He is right.
I'll say truth. Because why not? We see it happening all the time. And Job needed this. He was getting too complement. Too self satisfied. Suppose God didn't let this happen. Wouldn't Job just die of boredom or something? He had a dead end job. Sure, he was rich and getting richer. So what? He was just getting old and heading towards death. His children were a bit spoilt, also. It sounds like they did nothing except party everyday, going always to each others' houses, and sometimes, Job is even worried they might curse God in their hearts, so he prays for them prophylactically. Job has a wife, but turns out, she doesn't value his integrity, doesn't fear God, and doesn't even value his wife. He has friends, but, turns out, throughout all their years, they never got to know Job. They doubt him. They question him. Even Job's integrity isn't as reliable as he thinks it is. He ended up cursing the day of his birth. Everything Job thought he had was a lie. So God used Satan to strip away from Job everything that was not eternal, to expose Job directly to God. From seeing God, Job got something of eternal value. This is worth more than everything Job lost, and whatever Job lost was temporary, because God was able, and did restore it all to him, sometimes twice as much as before. Essentially, Job feels like Joseph's story from a different angle: Everything Satan intended for evil, God intended for good. And it was God who triumphed in the end. This applies to Jesus, and this applies also to us, if we are willing to accept it. This is what I think about the book of Job.
I relate this analysis to my own life within my immediate family. I went through the tortuous suffering and survived, to learn how to teach my children to prosper amd move forward without being tortured due to their naivity. Being informed from the group (our immediate family, social structure and good schooling), will help them go forth prosperously and unscathed, I'm praying.
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as I was listening to this, I finally understood God's last statement to Job. He wasn't rationalizing Himself to Job; the conversation was the final test for Job to see if he would remain faithful to God even when God appeared unjust. the reason God would bargain with the satan (the accuser) was not to set Job up; God knew Job better than Job knew himself because He knew Job's heart. God actually set the accuser up because He wouldn't have made an agreement where Job would be a pawn and lose. the trial of Job wasn't to punish Job, but to prove to the satan that he, the satan, did not understand Job. God gave back to Job after his time of trial and thousands of years later we continue to learn from this encounter.
@@royfinktum8484 so your definition of 'stupid' is the world's gold standard? sounds like you consider yourself to be a supreme being with the authority to pass judgement on others.
Every sentence is brilliant and needs serious consideration. The group is there to serve the individual. Every single individual is unique and needs to be kept in high regard. Thank you Jordan Peterson.
The problem with a mere human or for that point even ai, when attempting to exercise their or it's infantile thoughts on GOD, is that even tho GOD HAS VERY SUCCINCTLY POINTED OUT HIS POWER AND AUTOCRATIC SOVEREIGNTY, they still use GOD in the same sentence as trying. When that happens, I automatically close off because I know, no matter their ALLOWED academic accomplishments, their foundation and their understanding of EL SHADDAI is weak. Such is, yet again, the case here in this video.
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
The Bible was and will be a never ending source of wonders. Just like our Lord Christ said "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
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Does your own perceived relationship with the Highest; Give you the ability to discern what others cannot ? And the Authority to casually Pass Judgment ? Your confidence is such, that you don't even bother to take a theological stance, but simply pass judgment. I find this to be intriguing.
It's good that you have found religion Jordan we need smart guys like you to drum some sense into lost people. The world needs educated people like you. There are so many good intending people out there that are giving advice however they aren't skilled in this area. All the credence to you Jordan.😇
He gets to do whatever he wants....understatement of the century...what astounds me , is JPs acceptance of this fact even though most who wrestle won't ever give God that privilege ...JPs heart and humilty will assure.him a lifetime of growth ,revelations and power to continue.. Humilty as a child before God is recommended by Christ... the unreasonable answer to us is HE is kind and loving and dosnt enjoy suffering...but man he uses suffering to cause growth like no other thing..
The book of Job is true even from a mythical or non Christian perspective because it centralizes man's willingness to stay true to himself in acknowledging and recognizing The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in giving credit to everything you have to our Creator and Lord even in the midst of great Evil and suffering. Great message from Dr Jordan Peterson who really considers what he says if he's qualified or not to say what's on his mind.
You start off by saying "The book of Job is true even from a mythical or non Christian perspective because", and then you launch straight into a christian perspective... Also, your last sentence is incoherant. It seems like you're trying to sound smart. Don't try to sound smart if you're not, its embarrassing.
I've lived with an auto-immune disease, doctors have called "multiple sclerosis", for going on 35 years, yet it is merely called such, as I have come to view it, a name with some vestige of meaning, but in fact, primarily descriptive of it's impact, and not of means or method. As I listen to Dr. Peterson, I have realized it is very much the same as the old testament descriptions, and his explanations very much the same as the doctors. We tend to take the things explicated by "experts", and place them in categories, places they seem to fit or occupy yet in the end, their name is merely descriptive, and what we truly get from this, is the reality we see in them in, their place, so to speak, and accept the description as a "name" and giving power, value to the name, seldom dissecting it, and seeing it for what it is. We have risen to great power, very much as the British empire did, in our own way, very much as they did, in their version of Rome's way, which parallels it's own predecessor, leading all the way back, as Dr. Peterson takes us to, in his descriptive narrative. It seems to me to illustrate the fallen nature of all our societies, that despite our best intents, we fall prey to the same forces that led to the wars which consumed people throughout history, ever repeating the same ways. I came to faith because of the insanity of the eighties, and where we, Marines, went, and never knowing the real power determining the imposition of power external, and never really justified with reason, logic, factual truths that would lead to understanding. We "go abroad to slay monsters, never well articulated, exemplified", but named, demonized, and the root causes never given over to any functional truth. We are constantly told to forget the last debacle, our concern should be on the present issue at hand, which like all those in the past, is never justified, except after the fact with myth, lies, obfuscation. It often seems the only rest we can have is in faith, I am reminded of Solomon, and his declaration of everything is vanity, and it begins to take on real meaning. For much of my life "Solomon was the great king", and only in the last years, do I see his parallel failures to every other "king" leading up to Jesus.
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Jordan Peterson brings depth to the perception of the Scriptures. If church leaders had such deep knowledge of and such ability to articulate the Scriptures, the churches would be full every time the doors opened.
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I think I get it. God was proving that we can and should obey God’s teachings no matter if life is going well or terribly. Our job is not to question our fate so much as to deal with our fate in a way that honors and pleases God. This is what Job was learning. We don’t do what is right merely for what we will receive for doing it, but because we obey God.
I kind of feel like Job in the Bible right now I'm truly having my pay tested right now I know this is all for God's good that I'm going through the Spain homeless living in my truck trying to find places to park and sleep I must be with God about everything why is he doing this to me what did I do wrong where was I wrong and I could see what I was wrong and what I did wrong and I know that now he's testing me and maybe he's saying take a hold of me for a bit just to see if I'm truly faithful to him and I'm going to be truly faithful to God no matter what comes my way I just got to be strong stand on his word and his faith
I liked it👍 many many good points to ponder..I’ve likened Job to Marduk story also minus the bet and Job keeps his faith throughout the torturous journey and gets it all back..not sure how Marduk story ends..
Before Adam ate from the tree of Knowledge he was sovereign as being in contact with the most high, and the story of job, is a lesson in what happens when one is without sovereignty of mind. Within the book it also points towards where the laws of heaven are depicted, and this is the crux, if you understand the laws in heaven you will understand what sovereignty of mind entails. The celestial sphere, your life, your psyche is mapped out and written upon the stars. In the creation story, of seven days, to create the world in seven days, one needs to reference a construct, and this construct is how time came into being. If you want to understand how it ends, you need to find out where it began, as the snake eats its own tail.
12:48 Loved this! The imagery produced by your words of God wrestling and conquering Satan, even from the beginning, I have never heard before! That’s one of the beauties of Our Heavenly Father, He has defeated His great Adversary and continues to show us, His Creation, so! Even through Job, Satan is used, by God, to bring Job to the place of humility. He repented and acknowledged that God alone is righteous! And, that is the splendor of the Cross. God, through Christ, defeated Satan’s power over mankind, which was the wages of sin, death. He has displayed and given us His righteousness, by the contriteness of our hearts, to be exalted throughout all Eternity! In Christ alone is our Righteousness and acceptance to the Father. We will shout forever, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain!” (Revelations 5:5)
JBP is referring to Carl Jung's Answer to Job. The petulant, jealous, even petty God of the beginning now is angered that He has been 'rebuked' by His conscience over what He has done to Job. It is a Key moment in God's Consciousness, and sets Him to join Himself with His creations through Jesus. Much of the Old Testament is a developmental psychology of a new mind, that of a child. The face upon the waters of the Deep are the amniotic fluids in the darkness of the womb. Then birth, Let There Be Light! It is quite beautiful. Be well. 🙏✝️🌄
For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth. Job 19:25 God knows what he’s doing, and if you find fault with God, just know you’re wrong, because God can’t be wrong, otherwise he can’t be God. You just can’t see the whole picture. One thing that this story tells, in no uncertain terms, is that suffering is frequently not the fault of the sufferer. The cup of misery isn’t shared equally or evenly. Be grateful that your particular share isn’t greater, and appreciate the good that you have.
The story of Job is an archetype that honors the narcissistic parent/codependent child relationship. The fundamental basis of that relationship is that neither mind develops an emotionally stable and autonomous self that can respond directly to innate feelings. The basis of the narcissist/codependent relationship is that each mind is dependent on getting who or what they are from the projections, introjections, and dependencies of the other. Jordan's speech in this video is an example of the vicious circles of thoughts. bogus problems and hallucinations that the mind generates as distractions. The mind generates distractions where it feels overwhelmed by feelings for which it has not developed the capacity and skills to respond.
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I always visualize the book of Job as God being the casino, Satan is the compulsive gambler, and Job " humans" are the dice. Satan craps out everytime.
The dragons of the wilderness or the beasts of the fields are the liars in the world. The Truth Of Everything is TRUTH. Let light be! Praise Jesus, Michael Idarecis
I believe it's true. So much can be learned from it. Everyone will go through several or all of these circumstances. In the beginning we might curse God, but that just makes it worse. The story shows that the only one you can truly rely on is God. Job ended up enduring it well and because of the mercy of God he received more than he possed in the beginning. Bear your crosses.
If the Bible is true-and I have no reason to doubt it-then God is an Absolute and Eternal being (of necessity) and the Creator of everything outside of himself. He is also, therefore, the very first experiential knowledge gained by humanity (in the persons of Adam and Eve). Mankind did not slowly evolve into monotheism, but began there with the knowledge of the one true and living God. That’s the beginning. The only problem I have with JP’s lecture is the implication that the truthful historical account of the Bible “follows” some ancient pagan story telling. The actual ‘writing’ of Job may follow it, but the realities underlying the story were known of to mankind from the beginning, so no dependence on pagan myths need be inferred.
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Who can localise the meaning, these few words are most relevant and helpful to all the Jobs of this world, one can question, search, analyse to the point of madness but hopefully future positive events can reveal good purpose for meaning.
While I certainly don’t feel the analysis here of the book of Job and its larger meanings is inspired by the Holy Spirit, I admire Jordan Peterson’s attempt. I think his rational philosopher brain takes over a bit more, and I think it would sound a little different if he prayed and meditated on the verses with the Spirit.
11:43 Right. No. The Osiris mythology that was ‘borrowed’ millennia later by Christianity but not only was a rather late development for the mobs. I despise when one who is somewhat intelligent is very selective with information that he, subsequently, distorts to suit himself.
Jordan Peterson said right from the beginning that God was harassing job. That he made an unreasonable bet with Satan, but he's God and he is able to do anything he wants. I've looked at the book of Job up and down and sideways and every other angle, and to me it's a cruel cruel book.
When my daughter died I read the book of Job and raged at God for the answer he gave to a man who had lost everything. One thing is for sure I do not understand the God of the book of Job.
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So. If you really dig into that statement, it's significance to me is this. If Satan presents himself, and is called a son, and this is the Father of lies. The father of evil. Then it is simple for any of us to present ourselves as a son. Yet unlike like the father of lies we choose not to.
This touched a cord with me. I look for fortitude to strengthen myself from myself to which I turn to our Blessed Mother Mary to aide me in becoming like her. Thus to be closer to Jesus. Thank you for this insight, I should read more. God Bless
Though "you" slay me, I will still trust you. Now consider, 7 days total no less no more, the days of God. First chapter Genesis ends with the end of the sixth day, but yet a day to go, the seventh. However, this day does not appear in the first chapter, which is an overview of the text. Instead the last day appears at the beginning, the last shall be first.
My favourite. Thats so fantastic. You are not The only one left to death and disease and NO one cares or understand by subjectively and scientifically that you are going to die by that and its no joke. Its science. You only have God. Imagine that and I cant describe The situation I could not Help myself from but God. You see it in comment.
Jehovah now said to Moses and Aaron: 9 “If Pharʹaoh says to you, ‘Perform a miracle,’ then tell Aaron, ‘Take your rod and throw it down before Pharʹaoh.’ It will become a big snake.” 10 So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharʹaoh and did exactly as Jehovah had commanded. Aaron threw his rod down before Pharʹaoh and his servants, and it became a big snake. 11 However, Pharʹaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and the magic-practicing priests of Egypt also did the same thing with their magic. 12 Each one threw down his rod, and they became big snakes; but Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods Ex: 7: 8:12 In this the rod or authority. Of jehovah was able to overtake and eat the culture. Or authority of Egypt. The concept is jehovah is making the changes. Not human thinking and culture.
Between verse 1 and verse 2 of Genesis 1 was the war on heaven between Satan and Michael and Gabriel. That’s the record in Revelations 12 where they were imprisoned here on earth and he lost all his powers. Elohim appointed Adam as Satan’s guard and to Adam was given all the dominion over all the earth. Elohim also gave Adam a helpmeet named Eve and their marriage was set on her 15th birthday. At 40 days before their wedding, Elohim gave Eve her holy spirit so she can talk with Him. But Eve’s free will told her to speak to Satan. In turn, Satan question the integrity of Elohim word by saying, “Did Elohim really said not to eat of the fruit of evil enjoyment?” Then Eve repeated the command of Elohim but added the word, “Neither shall ye touch it”. Then, Satan changed the word by saying,” Thou shall not surely die”. Satan accused Elohim,” For Elohim knew that if you eat the fruit of evil enjoyment, you will be like the angels in heaven you do orgy in heaven,”. So when Eve finally touch her apple, her eyes were opened in climatic bursts of sexual feelings and her spirit died within her. When Adam showed up for their honeymoon, she shared her newfound toy and Adam did the same thing and he died spiritually. When they finally did the right way, Eve’s womb starts to bleed and they remembered the command that they will surely die. But part of Adam’s mistake is that he gave the dominion over all the earth to Satan. Realizing their sin, they tried to hide from Yahweh and they tried to stop the blood flow by covering Eve private part with fig leaves, an anticoagulant. Elohim redeemed them from instant death by offering Satan a blood sacrifice of His favorite lamb and Satan was offered the lamb’s flesh which was consumed by fire by Satan. The skin of the lamb became the token of their salvation by covering the source of their sin. When Cain and Abel had their 15th birthday, Adam performed lambs offering to Satan to acknowledge Satan dominion over the earth. But on their own sacrifice at their 30th birthday, Cain disobeyed the rules by offering the fruit of the ground instead. Satan did not accept Cain’s offering and an angel showed Cain his brother Abel carrying a lamb on his shoulder. Cain got an idea that since Abel was righteous, and a messiah type person, he could offer him to Satan and end the cursed of the ground., because Cain was a tiller of the ground. At the time of Job, the meeting of angels in heaven, Satan came to represent his dominion, the earth. At the time of Israelites sacrifice of blood offerings, this set them apart by paying their rent to Satan. Jesus death on the cross was the final payment to Satan and is how we received our redemption from sin.
Job, from wealth to persecution to wealth... yet the persecution wasn't determinate upon others around him, seemingly more just a metaphysical strife standing between God (that which is good, salvation, etc...) and Satan ("The Anger of the Lord", wrath, the adversary, etc)... to think of a kind of "forever entropy that never happens creating an eternity" of sorts, with the toil of life standing within the expanse (differentiation, separation, etc)... why did God allow Satan to persecute Job? Isn't that just the essence of life itself? How do we sense through sensation and cognizantly recognize that sensation through perception other than by a simple contrast or differentiation therein from a basic concept of such? Symbiosis, yet with an antagonistic portion of differentiation...?...🤔
God is not justifying Himself, JP. He just shows Job, ‘Where were you at the foundation of the world?!?’ God is putting Job in his place. I don’t see it your way. I still like you tho.
The Word of God is Truth. Jesus is The Word. Jesus said, I AM the way, the TRUTH and the life. The meaning of the words can be found in the relationship with the author of the book, God Himself. The Holy Spirit is the Teacher whose job is to lead us into all Truth. As Christians we are called to partake of the blessing of suffering as Christ did. Job had reached a level where he qualified to suffer. Great is his reward in eternity.
Tim Mackie of The Bible Project interprets the character of Satan in the book of Job differently. He claims the book of Job refers to "satan" not "the Satan". He argues that the book's Satan is "an accuser ", not "the Accuser ". I am not student of Hebrew, but this interpreter makes more sence to my understanding of God. I encourage you to his explanation in full rather than my short interpretation. I have read the book of Job many times and this is my interpretation. The book is a barometer of trust. I can read the book and come to the end and rest in the fact that God is great and God loves me and I cannot comprehend that love. Six months later, I can read the book and feel sorry and angry for Job for the casual way God treats this good man. It is the same book. I am the same person, but my attitude towards God is different. Job changes his attitude towards God. I believe that our attitude towards God changes. God understands this, but his attitude towards us is steadfast.
Even if God kills me, still will l love him. Whom have l but the Lord. Job was not perfect and if you read the Bible only one person that lived on earth was perfect. That is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Everyone else fell short of the glory of the Lord. However they were redeemable and so are we if we trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came to save sinners like me and you
Now that you have lived it a bit... does it give you more perspective on this book? Honestly your life has changed radically in the last few years why? The truth?... the world hates the truth! never mind the bull shit... Reality, side with the truth and life becomes exponentially more difficult it's just a fact. I love these lectures and I believe they are of Great worth.🙌 Thanks Dr. Peterson.
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I wonder if God and Satan had a bet on whether or not the whole of humanity could be tricked into destroying itself along with the beautiful earth…..I can’t personally come up with any other explanation for what’s happening right now.
I disagree with Jordan at this because it is not God trying to justify himself to Job, it's actually the other way around. Job is trying to justify himself to God and God is basically shattering that and not only that, God reminds Job that he is nothing with or without his riches. God is basically telling Job that his works cannot be justified, but if he would stop justifying his innocence and instead trust God even through his situation without complaining then he would reap even more blessings, but Job failed and instead God had to reveal his glory to Job in order for him to understand that there was nothing for him to justify and instead God is sovereign over everything. As well, if you read the book correctly and understand God's character then, you would understand that God was testing Job and at the same building him up and making him stronger spiritually. Job needed to go through what he went through in order to understand God's glory and majesty which Job didn't understand first.
This reflects our spiritual walk as fellow heirs and believers in Christ that we also suffer through trials and tribulations in order so we can persevere and build a stronger foundation in Christ Jesus. So that when we go labor, we shall not be ashamed and instead reap rewards in heaven.
Sounds similar to government I’m not saying that in a non believer way but it seem like even Moses and how and what was going on with his people and the big ten. To me reminds me of government
I heard somewhere that Job was the first book, or oldest story from the Bible, any truth to that? I am aware that the Old testament is not in chronological order. But I always thought Genesis was the first book, because it's the story of the beginning. I've only been studying the history of the Bible for a short time, and it is one very confusing topic. I wonder what it would have been like to actually Walk with Jesus and hear from him first hand.
One of the bibles i have has a chart at the back before the index which confirms this too. Job, Numbers and Deuteronomy all written by Moses approx. in 1473BCE. Gen 1513 BCE and Ex & Lev 1512BCE.
To the devil what happened to Job Was a bet but To God the story would be written and provide several examples of faith. Probably the first of this reason was to survive an example that God is always with you and if there are difficult times God is also the way through the difficult times. And the difficult times about building character. The other story is we careful not to judge others and what they are going through. As a person you are not qualified for that and you may do more damage than good in your judge mental behavior. And finally another opportunity that comes from the story was the opportunity for God to speak about creation in first person to Job which provides great insight to the believer. Now for me I look at the story of Job and don’t think I would have done even as well as he. I am strong believer and I want nothing for the rest of my life to be a good example of my faith. But I am weak and I have been weak and it is reading stories like this that remind me how important it is to stay in God‘s word daily to give me the strength for the difficult times. I have a job to do here that is to be an example of faith and to lead others to the everlasting life through the forgiveness and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. My joy and my reward do come in this lifetime but will really come in eternity. Because of man’s sin, life here will remain troublesome and difficult. I look at it as the place where we do our growing up, our learning, and our understanding so that we can fully appreciate our eternal life should we accept God’s gift and sacrifice through Jesus and do our best to repent from sin and light the way for others. I know it would be so much easier to believe none of this is true, but this is something wrong… Eternity. I want to be with God. Additionally there is so much real evidence that the Bible stories are true! Believe!
If this man practiced kabbalah with Kundalini and the kabbalah tree, he would know. Jewish mysticism is what he needs to practice. Many can say I'm full of it, but if this man practiced that work he'd have a full comprehensive understanding. Meditation is the key.
@@gameguy8101 why would you say that? Have you experienced that to know for sure? I will admit one has to deal with their own demons if that's what your meaning possess one self. As for demons, they are nothing more than spirits who once lived here as a human as much as angels are. You really think those things are going to take the time to possess humans? I really think you need to do some studying and quit living in la la land like other Christians when it comes to this stuff. I will admit other spirits can hurt men and really when it comes to that, it depends on the knowledge they have. Like certain spirits that may do that know knowledge on sorcery and other occult knowledge. Most of the time when humans seem to be possessed, it's due to their own kundalini. It's not an external spirit. Descartes dealt with it and so did st. John of the cross. Have a good day.
@@joelrappaport5699 I'm very confused as to the assertion that demons would not take the time to posses humans. Are you serious? Especially given all that is occurring today globally. Fear is at an all time high, this feeds the dark. Luciferianism, albeit branded by different names, is the ideology that is taking root in a disturbingly large group of people today, especially young people. "Do what thou wilt" is being sold in near all music and film and world leaders. Many of those world leaders engage in sacrifice and are pedophiles. To presume that the dark forces that inhabit this world "can't be bothered" to posses human beings is a very sizeable assumption. And since you mention Christianity, I think it's important to recall that the single miracle performed most often by Christ was casting demons out of people. Also, think of this what you will, a kundalini is a snake. Is it not the snake that satan works through? It sounds like you've been sucked into the new age movement. This is an ideology that promotes feelings of peace, love, and completely opening up oneself to spirits and energies on the assumption that evil does not exist at all, or at most is not bothered to inhabit human beings. Unfortunately, all evil does is inhabit human beings. We are how it thrives and feeds. If you are sympathetic or involved with the new age, be it through the Hindu, Buddhist, Native, Nihilistic, Christian, or other pathways, I encourage you to get out of it and be very, VERY careful about what you let it. Also, I encourage you to do research on the origins of the new age movement, focusing on the time around the turn of the century. Many of the original "gurus' guides and promoters were either open satanists or freemasons, and if you know anything about them (at the high degrees) you would know that they are a fraternity that is on the side of the dark. Stay safe, be careful, darkness is and has been descending for a long while. It is not neutral and it is not powerless.
@@gameguy8101 first and foremost, when I speak on demons, I speak on demons like Hitler, mau, and other people who have lived here and transcend to where ever. When you speak demons, that's what I think your talking about and those consciousness out there possess man. I would say that doesn't tend to happen and if it does it's very very rarely. Second I practice kabbalah and have dealt with my Kundalini for many many years. I don't think Satan is a snake on the ground or the energy of Satan possessing a snake on the ground. Christianity has borrowed from stoicism, biblical Greek ideologies and philosophies, and meditation. I've studied this for a long time. I'm not going to allow one Christian to make me dump years and years of research down the drain. I did the practical work for a long long time. I'm not possessed or do I care what others think who havnt done the work. I don't feel Jordan Peterson needs to be speaking on the topic when he is showing he hasn't fully studied the topic he's preaching on.
One thing that no one ever seems to remember in the Book of Job. Towards the end of that book, God bends down, and whispers into Job's ear, saying: "Thine own right hand could have saved thee." Yahweh (Jehovah) is mankind, and mankind is, God over all the earth.
what translation of the Book of Job is he reading from..? i assume it is not the King James Version.. (i think i found it, it is the New International Version. not a Version with much music in it, but this is quite good..).
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Come along, everybody! Listen to the world's 'greatest thinker' analyse fairytales and imaginary entities! Cherish his words as he reveals... well, nothing. Hats off to you, Mr Peterson, you've found your marks and now they hang on your every word as if your munbo-jumbo actually has meaning. Well done!
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God isn't trying to justify himself to Job. Job never losses faith in God, he begins to think his friends must be right and he has somehow offended God. God becomes irritated with Job because Job questions God's justice but doesn't account for the fact that outcomes in life rarely are just and God has made all things in time and space and all choices or events lead to the same ultimate outcome. With men God of course let's the best be tested with suffering and the worst he tries to win by easing their suffering. Those he already has he gives to the adversary to test. Note that it isn't Satan who instigated the bet but God. While it is Satan who proposes it God manipulates him into doing so and in the end disposes. He knew Job would not lose faith in God and he also knew Job would be further tested by his peers who are so stupid they suggest that Job himself must be responsible . He must have done something wrong so Job doubts his own righteousness not God's. God deigns to speak to Job to remind him that it wasn't about him at all and his being led ro doubt himself by his stupid friends is what irritates God The Father. I think God even says something about the stupidity of jobs friend's in suggesting that Job is the reason Job was given over to suffering. God was irritated that Job who even after being tested in the most horrible ways and was still faithful onto God, doubted himself on account of his foolish friends who God suggests know less than Job and nothing at all. God asks Job " Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth and set the cornerstone thereof"? In other words God is saying you don't know even the smallest part of the glory of creation, how dare you suggest that you, small as you are in the grand scheme, could do anything to cause me to alter it for good or ill? God never tells Job that Satan was the reason Job was tested, he only tells him that events unfolded as he, God, had planned and that Job had done nothing to deserve his suffering only that all living things suffer in their time but that just as he may take away so too he gives. Job is reassured that he was not at fault and he went forward reassured that not only had he done nothing wrong but that God's plan was inscrutable and that his continued faith would in it's time be rewarded. And it was so. Job had double or better in all the properties he lost and he had a new wife and new family even more pleasing to Job than the family he lost because now Job understood that faith was more than being faithful when everything goes your way but is even more valuable to God when you maintained that faith through hard times and that in truth faith and love of God is the real reward itself since suffering is going to happen no matter what. How much more does God appreciate one who loves him even though they suffer? Enough to speak to them directly and impart divine wisdom to them in Jobs case. A great privlege that but only very few humans have ever had. To be addressed directly by God The Father for their sake of understanding.
Hi. I find no "civilization" in Job's book, because "might is right" is not a civilized concept. The story says kings and absolute monarchs have the right to set their torturers onto anyone, innocent or not. No-one has any rights, entire families are discarded like trash, and all God does in the end is boast about his power. Yes, he restores Job's wealth, but only because Job grovels to that power. The entire story is a parable justifying the practice of "MIGHT IS RIGHT", which is why so many words are written about the leviathan. To understand this story in it's social and political context, consider that every O.T. king or tyrant used torture and murder, so such behaviour was written up as God's actions (as Job does) to sanctify the brutal politics of those days. It used to be called "THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS". King Solomon was supposed to be most wise, but his son Rehoboam lets the cat-out-of-the-bag. (1Kings 12:11) "My father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions". Any modern ruler behaving like these ancient kings would be accused of crimes against humanity. P.R.
If the book of Job is true, God is an absolute monster. There is no other conclusion. Reading Job has devastated me. It exposes God as an utter tyrant. I wish I'd never read it.
You have the mind of an atheist as if everything is this world. This is just meaningless 70 years of life the real life is after life. And of course God can do anything he wants. You have no objective way to tell if it's good or bad. That's part of the philosophy of job book
A bet? Never was that the idea...win loss ? An arrogant challenge that humans serve God as long as they are protected..JP missing the point Again the message of Job is the motivation of man's worship, not out of love, just humans are seeking self.
I have questions for the comments section; more of an experiment... Do you believe in a God? Which one? And what do you believe happens when we die? Thoughts on heaven, hell, purgatory, paradise, ECT. Everyone I ask in person has a different answer. So everyone watching this video surely has some type of opinion, care to share it here? No judgement coming from me on what you believe. I only wish to learn.
@@blueyedsole Thank you for your answer. I can relate to quite a bit of what you said. I was raised in a baptist church but I went to a Catholic school. I walked away from the church in pursuit of truth. Only to keep turning back to Jesus, who himself said he was truth. I've read Dawkins, Carroll, and Sagan. I understand why they don't believe in God, and I can understand why the belief in any God is absurd. Just read Job, or Judges, or even Deuteronomy. I'm not sure if I'm even a real Christian or just indoctrinated into the same beliefs as my parents and their parents before them. It's a pretty messed up history. I believe in God, but the church has not been very Christ like for over 1,800 years. The inquisition really hurt my confidence in the actions of the church. Killing everyone that doesn't believe exactly as you do. 5,000 denominations of Christianity, still looking for the group that got it at least close to what Jesus meant the church to be. With these kinds of issues, I often wonder if the atheist are right, but indoctrination is a hell of a drug.
@@blueyedsole Similar here but a decade after you, parents still here but we're not so close per se. Yahweh. All comes back to that name no matter what. And if/when I deviate from the path, it doesn't feel great anymore. Feels pathetic. Hopefully it lessens over time. It has much so since my 20s. But that's not a moral triumph, that's something else. Still some tough questions remain unanswered as you mention. Also 'time' and our many interpretations our time/God's time. 1000 human years is 1 day to God etc. Such an idea undermines the struggle /s that so many of us have I think. But what do I know... not that much. 😅
@@wer-o-Didache That's interesting to read... Have you looked into what Jesus referred to as "the faithful and discreet slave" that would be sent to look after his people (followers) to come? It links with prophecy in Ezekiel. There would be a dark period after Jesus, where Christians would be persecuted and then embraced as a political manouvre, before a 'faithful and discreet slave' would be chosen and set up to lead and 'shepherd his sheep'. Marks of which would be seen in its 'fruitage' i.e. not participating in /supporting war or violence or politics -- of any kind, to any extent, love for people of all kinds (so not bigotry per se) and various other things including establishing a global ministry/ teaching work.
Its kind of way off how you explain it. God had Faith that Job would be faithful, unto death. And he was! God asks job, where were you when I created the heaven's and the earth? Throughout the whole narrative God deals graciously with Job. Read on. Job says, if he stands before God, will God crush him, No! Rather He would strenghten him. You also must understand who Satan is, & also that Satan obeyed God's request to spare Job's life.
Hallelujah Have you ever thought about Jesus could raise the dead, but Job had never asked GOD to resurrect his offsprings? Hallelujah The Bible didn’t show too many details about Job’s offsprings and their Faithfulness. So I can only assume that the Father/ or Great grandfather Job had his own understanding of his offsprings. Hallelujah Have you ever thought of JOB didn’t die before his offsprings? And why didn’t you think JOB didn’t think the same thoughts of yours? And JOB kept firmly of his Faithfulness to his GOD. Why? Maybe the Bible didn’t explain how JOB discovered GOD’s GRACE towards himself. The only reason JOB could firmly hold on to GOD was whatever JOB experienced himself that nobody knew before because JOB had never told anyone. Only the passerby wrote down whatever JOB had experienced in physical form, but not spiritual mind.
Had Jesus actually existed, he would not have been a nice man. According to Christians, he was a traitor to Judaism, and he came to earth to warn the Jews that if they didn't convert to Christianity, their souls could not be saved. Adding to that mischief, Jesus would also have supported his father's will to reject most souls to eternal suffering in the afterlife. I was raised in a Christian culture, but I could never relate to the idea that Jesus was a model of morality. It's no wonder that the Jews did not believe that Jesus was "their" messiah. As a child, I couldn't even believe that he WAS a messiah.
PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK T THE SCRIPTURE IN THE RELATIONSHIP OF A FAMILY IN WHICH ISTHE FATHER AT THE HEAD AND THE MOTHER ARE THE HEAD IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT NEVER THE LESS OF THE HEAD IS IN CONTROL OF ALL THAT GOES ON IN THE FAMILY WITH THE FATHER !! BOTH HAVE SERTEN DUTIES THAT MAKE THE FAMILY A FAMILY!! THE FATHER IS THE HEAD OF ALL THAT MAKES THE FAMILY WHAT IT IS !! TAKE THE FATHER OUT OF THE FAMILY AND THERE IS NO FAMILY !! JUST CAOS !! AS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS !! TAKE A WIFE OR HUSBAND OR A CHILD THAT STATES THEY LOVE THE OTHER AND WILL NOT EVER DEFRAUD/ CHEAT ON THE OTHER OR THE CHILD THAT STATE IT WILL NEVER DISOBEY THE PARENT !! HOW WILL YOU KNOW UNLESS THEY ARE PUT IN A POSITION THAT TRIES THEIR FAITHFULNESS !!
What about the Epic of Gilgamesh or The Book of Enoch? You've been lied to about your origins as a spiritual human being. Real history has not been examine but through the eyes and hearsay of organized religion over time. Wow!
What do you think about the book of Job? Truth or Lie?
I have no idea if it's a truth or a lie. But I do know that it's a pretty crazy story, and I would have hated to have been Job.
God indicates that He does whatever He wants and that He does not have to give us any reasons. He does not care about our judgement, our opinions. All in all, everythink leads finally to good. Even if we cannot see or understand the final worth of suffering. It does not stop Him. He knows better. And this is weird but He is right.
Our Heavenly Father Loves Us This understanding about the book of Job is very discouraging and causes us grief 💔😢😑😞!
I'll say truth. Because why not? We see it happening all the time.
And Job needed this. He was getting too complement. Too self satisfied. Suppose God didn't let this happen. Wouldn't Job just die of boredom or something? He had a dead end job. Sure, he was rich and getting richer. So what? He was just getting old and heading towards death.
His children were a bit spoilt, also. It sounds like they did nothing except party everyday, going always to each others' houses, and sometimes, Job is even worried they might curse God in their hearts, so he prays for them prophylactically.
Job has a wife, but turns out, she doesn't value his integrity, doesn't fear God, and doesn't even value his wife.
He has friends, but, turns out, throughout all their years, they never got to know Job. They doubt him. They question him.
Even Job's integrity isn't as reliable as he thinks it is. He ended up cursing the day of his birth. Everything Job thought he had was a lie.
So God used Satan to strip away from Job everything that was not eternal, to expose Job directly to God. From seeing God, Job got something of eternal value. This is worth more than everything Job lost, and whatever Job lost was temporary, because God was able, and did restore it all to him, sometimes twice as much as before.
Essentially, Job feels like Joseph's story from a different angle:
Everything Satan intended for evil, God intended for good. And it was God who triumphed in the end. This applies to Jesus, and this applies also to us, if we are willing to accept it.
This is what I think about the book of Job.
*his wife doesn't even value Job's life
Keep praying for JP. God is working
He's always believed
I relate this analysis to my own life within my immediate family. I went through the tortuous suffering and survived, to learn how to teach my children to prosper amd move forward without being tortured due to their naivity. Being informed from the group (our immediate family, social structure and good schooling), will help them go forth prosperously and unscathed, I'm praying.
Yes, you're right ... Family matters. Thank you for your message
For a completely wonderful, breakthrough understanding of the Book of Job, read the book "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - BURKE." Even the great mind of Jordan Peterson... would be tickled pink by this new and best explanation of the Book of Job.
as I was listening to this, I finally understood God's last statement to Job.
He wasn't rationalizing Himself to Job; the conversation was the final test for Job to see if he would remain faithful to God even when God appeared unjust.
the reason God would bargain with the satan (the accuser) was not to set Job up; God knew Job better than Job knew himself because He knew Job's heart.
God actually set the accuser up because He wouldn't have made an agreement where Job would be a pawn and lose. the trial of Job wasn't to punish Job, but to prove to the satan that he, the satan, did not understand Job.
God gave back to Job after his time of trial and thousands of years later we continue to learn from this encounter.
You're absolutely right, thanks for the message
You seem to actually believe this crap.
@@royfinktum8484 my belief seems to bother you enough to elicit a response.
@@Warlanda and therefore...? It only bothers me that people are so stupid.
@@royfinktum8484 so your definition of 'stupid' is the world's gold standard?
sounds like you consider yourself to be a supreme being with the authority to pass judgement on others.
Every sentence is brilliant and needs serious consideration. The group is there to serve the individual. Every single individual is unique and needs to be kept in high regard. Thank you Jordan Peterson.
You're right ... Thank you for the message
The problem with a mere human or for that point even ai, when attempting to exercise their or it's infantile thoughts on GOD, is that even tho GOD HAS VERY SUCCINCTLY POINTED OUT HIS POWER AND AUTOCRATIC SOVEREIGNTY, they still use GOD in the same sentence as trying.
When that happens, I automatically close off because I know, no matter their ALLOWED academic accomplishments, their foundation and their understanding of EL SHADDAI is weak. Such is, yet again, the case here in this video.
When you realize the word Satan means accuser, all humans sometimes accuse. Hardest intrapychic part I had in my life. Deeply humbling
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
Thanks for the reply
The Bible is so well written
The Bible was and will be a never ending source of wonders. Just like our Lord Christ said "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
@@soare5182 hallelujah
Job is both awe inspiring and beautiful, Jordan’s explanation is amazing
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Jordan missed the point... Completely!
Job got exactly what he wanted that is the point. Jordan's theology is secular mumbo jumbo.
Does your own perceived relationship with the Highest; Give you the ability to discern what others cannot ? And the Authority to casually Pass Judgment ?
Your confidence is such, that you don't even bother to take a theological stance, but simply pass judgment.
I find this to be intriguing.
It's good that you have found religion Jordan we need smart guys like you to drum some sense into lost people. The world needs educated people like you. There are so many good intending people out there that are giving advice however they aren't skilled in this area. All the credence to you Jordan.😇
He gets to do whatever he wants....understatement of the century...what astounds me , is JPs acceptance of this fact even though most who wrestle won't ever give God that privilege ...JPs heart and humilty will assure.him a lifetime of growth ,revelations and power to continue..
Humilty as a child before God is recommended by Christ... the unreasonable answer to us is HE is kind and loving and dosnt enjoy suffering...but man he uses suffering to cause growth like no other thing..
You are perfectly right
@@bpmotivation8926 thankyou and be healed
The book of Job is true even from a mythical or non Christian perspective because it centralizes man's willingness to stay true to himself in acknowledging and recognizing The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in giving credit to everything you have to our Creator and Lord even in the midst of great Evil and suffering. Great message from Dr Jordan Peterson who really considers what he says if he's qualified or not to say what's on his mind.
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@@bpmotivation8926 You're welcome I'm a Christian Apologist
You start off by saying "The book of Job is true even from a mythical or non Christian perspective because", and then you launch straight into a christian perspective... Also, your last sentence is incoherant. It seems like you're trying to sound smart. Don't try to sound smart if you're not, its embarrassing.
@@royfinktum8484 Excuse me what? How dare you make such presumptuous assumptions about someone you don't know. GET OVER YOURSELF
@@royfinktum8484 Stupidity abounds in Atheism
I've lived with an auto-immune disease, doctors have called "multiple sclerosis", for going on 35 years, yet it is merely called such, as I have come to view it, a name with some vestige of meaning, but in fact, primarily descriptive of it's impact, and not of means or method. As I listen to Dr. Peterson, I have realized it is very much the same as the old testament descriptions, and his explanations very much the same as the doctors.
We tend to take the things explicated by "experts", and place them in categories, places they seem to fit or occupy yet in the end, their name is merely descriptive, and what we truly get from this, is the reality we see in them in, their place, so to speak, and accept the description as a "name" and giving power, value to the name, seldom dissecting it, and seeing it for what it is.
We have risen to great power, very much as the British empire did, in our own way, very much as they did, in their version of Rome's way, which parallels it's own predecessor, leading all the way back, as Dr. Peterson takes us to, in his descriptive narrative. It seems to me to illustrate the fallen nature of all our societies, that despite our best intents, we fall prey to the same forces that led to the wars which consumed people throughout history, ever repeating the same ways.
I came to faith because of the insanity of the eighties, and where we, Marines, went, and never knowing the real power determining the imposition of power external, and never really justified with reason, logic, factual truths that would lead to understanding. We "go abroad to slay monsters, never well articulated, exemplified", but named, demonized, and the root causes never given over to any functional truth.
We are constantly told to forget the last debacle, our concern should be on the present issue at hand, which like all those in the past, is never justified, except after the fact with myth, lies, obfuscation. It often seems the only rest we can have is in faith, I am reminded of Solomon, and his declaration of everything is vanity, and it begins to take on real meaning. For much of my life "Solomon was the great king", and only in the last years, do I see his parallel failures to every other "king" leading up to Jesus.
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Your "multiple sclerosis" seems to have addled your brain.
@@royfinktum8484 There is no need to be mean. For all your intellect and brainpower, it seems you've lost your heart. 💌
Jordan Peterson brings depth to the perception of the Scriptures.
If church leaders had such deep knowledge of and such ability to articulate the Scriptures, the churches would be full every time the doors opened.
The background noise (music?) did my head in 🤯I cannot finish this video 🥺
Absolute Truth, God IS Truth
Thank you for your message
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I think I get it. God was proving that we can and should obey God’s teachings no matter if life is going well or terribly. Our job is not to question our fate so much as to deal with our fate in a way that honors and pleases God. This is what Job was learning. We don’t do what is right merely for what we will receive for doing it, but because we obey God.
I kind of feel like Job in the Bible right now I'm truly having my pay tested right now I know this is all for God's good that I'm going through the Spain homeless living in my truck trying to find places to park and sleep I must be with God about everything why is he doing this to me what did I do wrong where was I wrong and I could see what I was wrong and what I did wrong and I know that now he's testing me and maybe he's saying take a hold of me for a bit just to see if I'm truly faithful to him and I'm going to be truly faithful to God no matter what comes my way I just got to be strong stand on his word and his faith
Dave Harvey done the best sermon, I have ever heard on job
9:07 the correct caption here is Enuma Elish, not "Anuma Lich". For those looking for the source material.
I liked it👍 many many good points to ponder..I’ve likened Job to Marduk story also minus the bet and Job keeps his faith throughout the torturous journey and gets it all back..not sure how Marduk story ends..
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Before Adam ate from the tree of Knowledge he was sovereign as being in contact with the most high, and the story of job, is a lesson in what happens when one is without sovereignty of mind. Within the book it also points towards where the laws of heaven are depicted, and this is the crux, if you understand the laws in heaven you will understand what sovereignty of mind entails. The celestial sphere, your life, your psyche is mapped out and written upon the stars. In the creation story, of seven days, to create the world in seven days, one needs to reference a construct, and this construct is how time came into being. If you want to understand how it ends, you need to find out where it began, as the snake eats its own tail.
12:48
Loved this! The imagery produced by your words of God wrestling and conquering Satan, even from the beginning, I have never heard before!
That’s one of the beauties of Our Heavenly Father, He has defeated His great Adversary and continues to show us, His Creation, so!
Even through Job, Satan is used, by God, to bring Job to the place of humility. He repented and acknowledged that God alone is righteous!
And, that is the splendor of the Cross. God, through Christ, defeated Satan’s power over mankind, which was the wages of sin, death. He has displayed and given us His righteousness, by the contriteness of our hearts, to be exalted throughout all Eternity! In Christ alone is our Righteousness and acceptance to the Father. We will shout forever, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain!” (Revelations 5:5)
You left out one Major Sentence Jordan. And It Was Good. Very important and necessary.
Thanks for the reply
ask the snake, fool
JBP is referring to Carl Jung's Answer to Job. The petulant, jealous, even petty God of the beginning now is angered that He has been 'rebuked' by His conscience over what He has done to Job. It is a Key moment in God's Consciousness, and sets Him to join Himself with His creations through Jesus. Much of the Old Testament is a developmental psychology of a new mind, that of a child. The face upon the waters of the Deep are the amniotic fluids in the darkness of the womb. Then birth, Let There Be Light! It is quite beautiful. Be well. 🙏✝️🌄
For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth. Job 19:25
God knows what he’s doing, and if you find fault with God, just know you’re wrong, because God can’t be wrong, otherwise he can’t be God. You just can’t see the whole picture.
One thing that this story tells, in no uncertain terms, is that suffering is frequently not the fault of the sufferer. The cup of misery isn’t shared equally or evenly. Be grateful that your particular share isn’t greater, and appreciate the good that you have.
The story of Job is an archetype that honors the narcissistic parent/codependent child relationship. The fundamental basis of that relationship is that neither mind develops an emotionally stable and autonomous self that can respond directly to innate feelings.
The basis of the narcissist/codependent relationship is that each mind is dependent on getting who or what they are from the projections, introjections, and dependencies of the other.
Jordan's speech in this video is an example of the vicious circles of thoughts. bogus problems and hallucinations that the mind generates as distractions. The mind generates distractions where it feels overwhelmed by feelings for which it has not developed the capacity and skills to respond.
Job was self rightous. That's basically the message of Job.
Phenomenal teaching about how the Bible relates to each other chapters
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A father for those who never had one.
I always visualize the book of Job as God being the casino, Satan is the compulsive gambler, and Job " humans" are the dice. Satan craps out everytime.
The dragons of the wilderness or the beasts of the fields are the liars in the world. The Truth Of Everything is TRUTH. Let light be!
Praise Jesus,
Michael Idarecis
Amen
I believe it's true. So much can be learned from it. Everyone will go through several or all of these circumstances. In the beginning we might curse God, but that just makes it worse. The story shows that the only one you can truly rely on is God.
Job ended up enduring it well and because of the mercy of God he received more than he possed in the beginning.
Bear your crosses.
once again thank you coach
If the Bible is true-and I have no reason to doubt it-then God is an Absolute and Eternal being (of necessity) and the Creator of everything outside of himself. He is also, therefore, the very first experiential knowledge gained by humanity (in the persons of Adam and Eve). Mankind did not slowly evolve into monotheism, but began there with the knowledge of the one true and living God. That’s the beginning.
The only problem I have with JP’s lecture is the implication that the truthful historical account of the Bible “follows” some ancient pagan story telling.
The actual ‘writing’ of Job may follow it, but the realities underlying the story were known of to mankind from the beginning, so no dependence on pagan myths need be inferred.
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Who can localise the meaning, these few words are most relevant and helpful to all the Jobs of this world, one can question, search, analyse to the point of madness but hopefully future positive events can reveal good purpose for meaning.
If you could change the world ... what would you do?
@@bpmotivation8926گر بر فلکم دست بدی چون یزدان …
The Oracle has another post-coytal vision of the highest level!
like making sense of the meaning of dreams
While I certainly don’t feel the analysis here of the book of Job and its larger meanings is inspired by the Holy Spirit, I admire Jordan Peterson’s attempt. I think his rational philosopher brain takes over a bit more, and I think it would sound a little different if he prayed and meditated on the verses with the Spirit.
11:43 Right.
No.
The Osiris mythology that was ‘borrowed’ millennia later by Christianity but not only was a rather late development for the mobs.
I despise when one who is somewhat intelligent is very selective with information that he, subsequently, distorts to suit himself.
I'm not afraid of Satan or demons. That's not to say I mock them. However, if they do exist, then there must be a God.
Jordan Peterson said right from the beginning that God was harassing job. That he made an unreasonable bet with Satan, but he's God and he is able to do anything he wants. I've looked at the book of Job up and down and sideways and every other angle, and to me it's a cruel cruel book.
When my daughter died I read the book of Job and raged at God for the answer he gave to a man who had lost everything. One thing is for sure I do not understand the God of the book of Job.
Close but no cigar.
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Just another post-coytal vision from The Chosen One. Plenty to follow!
What I find compelling is Job 1:6. The sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan came among them.
So. If you really dig into that statement, it's significance to me is this. If Satan presents himself, and is called a son, and this is the Father of lies. The father of evil. Then it is simple for any of us to present ourselves as a son. Yet unlike like the father of lies we choose not to.
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
This touched a cord with me. I look for fortitude to strengthen myself from myself to which I turn to our Blessed Mother Mary to aide me in becoming like her. Thus to be closer to Jesus. Thank you for this insight, I should read more. God Bless
As the Spirit hovered over the waters there was no chaos.
For a breakthrough understanding of the Book of Job... read "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - BURKE." Enjoy.
5:26 😂 A Freud moment. Very penetrating wisdom.
Though "you" slay me, I will still trust you. Now consider, 7 days total no less no more, the days of God. First chapter Genesis ends with the end of the sixth day, but yet a day to go, the seventh. However, this day does not appear in the first chapter, which is an overview of the text. Instead the last day appears at the beginning, the last shall be first.
My favourite. Thats so fantastic. You are not The only one left to death and disease and NO one cares or understand by subjectively and scientifically that you are going to die by that and its no joke. Its science. You only have God. Imagine that and I cant describe The situation I could not Help myself from but God. You see it in comment.
Jehovah now said to Moses and Aaron: 9 “If Pharʹaoh says to you, ‘Perform a miracle,’ then tell Aaron, ‘Take your rod and throw it down before Pharʹaoh.’ It will become a big snake.” 10 So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharʹaoh and did exactly as Jehovah had commanded. Aaron threw his rod down before Pharʹaoh and his servants, and it became a big snake. 11 However, Pharʹaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and the magic-practicing priests of Egypt also did the same thing with their magic. 12 Each one threw down his rod, and they became big snakes; but Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods
Ex: 7: 8:12
In this the rod or authority. Of jehovah was able to overtake and eat the culture. Or authority of Egypt. The concept is jehovah is making the changes. Not human thinking and culture.
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The songs are related to Bible verses
From my understanding, satan is Hebrew translation of an accuser and not the embodiment of the devil himself.
Most people of today are so far gone from knowing their true self. Both their names and ages
Between verse 1 and verse 2 of Genesis 1 was the war on heaven between Satan and Michael and Gabriel. That’s the record in Revelations 12 where they were imprisoned here on earth and he lost all his powers. Elohim appointed Adam as Satan’s guard and to Adam was given all the dominion over all the earth. Elohim also gave Adam a helpmeet named Eve and their marriage was set on her 15th birthday. At 40 days before their wedding, Elohim gave Eve her holy spirit so she can talk with Him. But Eve’s free will told her to speak to Satan. In turn, Satan question the integrity of Elohim word by saying, “Did Elohim really said not to eat of the fruit of evil enjoyment?” Then Eve repeated the command of Elohim but added the word, “Neither shall ye touch it”. Then, Satan changed the word by saying,” Thou shall not surely die”. Satan accused Elohim,” For Elohim knew that if you eat the fruit of evil enjoyment, you will be like the angels in heaven you do orgy in heaven,”. So when Eve finally touch her apple, her eyes were opened in climatic bursts of sexual feelings and her spirit died within her. When Adam showed up for their honeymoon, she shared her newfound toy and Adam did the same thing and he died spiritually. When they finally did the right way, Eve’s womb starts to bleed and they remembered the command that they will surely die. But part of Adam’s mistake is that he gave the dominion over all the earth to Satan. Realizing their sin, they tried to hide from Yahweh and they tried to stop the blood flow by covering Eve private part with fig leaves, an anticoagulant. Elohim redeemed them from instant death by offering Satan a blood sacrifice of His favorite lamb and Satan was offered the lamb’s flesh which was consumed by fire by Satan. The skin of the lamb became the token of their salvation by covering the source of their sin. When Cain and Abel had their 15th birthday, Adam performed lambs offering to Satan to acknowledge Satan dominion over the earth. But on their own sacrifice at their 30th birthday, Cain disobeyed the rules by offering the fruit of the ground instead. Satan did not accept Cain’s offering and an angel showed Cain his brother Abel carrying a lamb on his shoulder. Cain got an idea that since Abel was righteous, and a messiah type person, he could offer him to Satan and end the cursed of the ground., because Cain was a tiller of the ground.
At the time of Job, the meeting of angels in heaven, Satan came to represent his dominion, the earth. At the time of Israelites sacrifice of blood offerings, this set them apart by paying their rent to Satan. Jesus death on the cross was the final payment to Satan and is how we received our redemption from sin.
Civilisation is a great thing, we're just not there yet. The babylonian monkeys are barely out of the jungle.
Job, from wealth to persecution to wealth... yet the persecution wasn't determinate upon others around him, seemingly more just a metaphysical strife standing between God (that which is good, salvation, etc...) and Satan ("The Anger of the Lord", wrath, the adversary, etc)... to think of a kind of "forever entropy that never happens creating an eternity" of sorts, with the toil of life standing within the expanse (differentiation, separation, etc)... why did God allow Satan to persecute Job? Isn't that just the essence of life itself? How do we sense through sensation and cognizantly recognize that sensation through perception other than by a simple contrast or differentiation therein from a basic concept of such?
Symbiosis, yet with an antagonistic portion of differentiation...?...🤔
God is not justifying Himself, JP. He just shows Job, ‘Where were you at the foundation of the world?!?’ God is putting Job in his place. I don’t see it your way. I still like you tho.
You're absolutely right, thanks for the message
The Word of God is Truth. Jesus is The Word. Jesus said, I AM the way, the TRUTH and the life. The meaning of the words can be found in the relationship with the author of the book, God Himself. The Holy Spirit is the Teacher whose job is to lead us into all Truth. As Christians we are called to partake of the blessing of suffering as Christ did. Job had reached a level where he qualified to suffer. Great is his reward in eternity.
You are right. Thank you for your message
Tim Mackie of The Bible Project interprets the character of Satan in the book of Job differently. He claims the book of Job refers to "satan" not "the Satan". He argues that the book's Satan is "an accuser ", not "the Accuser ". I am not student of Hebrew, but this interpreter makes more sence to my understanding of God. I encourage you to his explanation in full rather than my short interpretation.
I have read the book of Job many times and this is my interpretation. The book is a barometer of trust. I can read the book and come to the end and rest in the fact that God is great and God loves me and I cannot comprehend that love. Six months later, I can read the book and feel sorry and angry for Job for the casual way God treats this good man. It is the same book. I am the same person, but my attitude towards God is different. Job changes his attitude towards God. I believe that our attitude towards God changes. God understands this, but his attitude towards us is steadfast.
All glory to our God Jesus Christ forever , he is way of life.
Amen
Are the transcripts for these talks available ?
Even if God kills me, still will l love him. Whom have l but the Lord. Job was not perfect and if you read the Bible only one person that lived on earth was perfect. That is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Everyone else fell short of the glory of the Lord. However they were redeemable and so are we if we trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came to save sinners like me and you
Isaiah 55:8-9
Now that you have lived it a bit... does it give you more perspective on this book? Honestly your life has changed radically in the last few years why? The truth?... the world hates the truth! never mind the bull shit... Reality, side with the truth and life becomes exponentially more difficult it's just a fact.
I love these lectures and I believe they are of Great worth.🙌
Thanks Dr. Peterson.
Thank you for your message
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God needs not justify himself with anyone.
I wonder if God and Satan had a bet on whether or not the whole of humanity could be tricked into destroying itself along with the beautiful earth…..I can’t personally come up with any other explanation for what’s happening right now.
I disagree with Jordan at this because it is not God trying to justify himself to Job, it's actually the other way around. Job is trying to justify himself to God and God is basically shattering that and not only that, God reminds Job that he is nothing with or without his riches. God is basically telling Job that his works cannot be justified, but if he would stop justifying his innocence and instead trust God even through his situation without complaining then he would reap even more blessings, but Job failed and instead God had to reveal his glory to Job in order for him to understand that there was nothing for him to justify and instead God is sovereign over everything. As well, if you read the book correctly and understand God's character then, you would understand that God was testing Job and at the same building him up and making him stronger spiritually. Job needed to go through what he went through in order to understand God's glory and majesty which Job didn't understand first.
This reflects our spiritual walk as fellow heirs and believers in Christ that we also suffer through trials and tribulations in order so we can persevere and build a stronger foundation in Christ Jesus. So that when we go labor, we shall not be ashamed and instead reap rewards in heaven.
Sounds similar to government I’m not saying that in a non believer way but it seem like even Moses and how and what was going on with his people and the big ten. To me reminds me of government
I heard somewhere that Job was the first book, or oldest story from the Bible, any truth to that? I am aware that the Old testament is not in chronological order. But I always thought Genesis was the first book, because it's the story of the beginning. I've only been studying the history of the Bible for a short time, and it is one very confusing topic. I wonder what it would have been like to actually Walk with Jesus and hear from him first hand.
I was told the Job was the first book to be written down, not he first book to take place.
@@jackfennell8253 Thank you.
One of the bibles i have has a chart at the back before the index which confirms this too. Job, Numbers and Deuteronomy all written by Moses approx. in 1473BCE. Gen 1513 BCE and Ex & Lev 1512BCE.
@@wintertontoday Thank you.
To the devil what happened to Job Was a bet but To God the story would be written and provide several examples of faith. Probably the first of this reason was to survive an example that God is always with you and if there are difficult times God is also the way through the difficult times. And the difficult times about building character. The other story is we careful not to judge others and what they are going through. As a person you are not qualified for that and you may do more damage than good in your judge mental behavior. And finally another opportunity that comes from the story was the opportunity for God to speak about creation in first person to Job which provides great insight to the believer. Now for me I look at the story of Job and don’t think I would have done even as well as he. I am strong believer and I want nothing for the rest of my life to be a good example of my faith. But I am weak and I have been weak and it is reading stories like this that remind me how important it is to stay in God‘s word daily to give me the strength for the difficult times. I have a job to do here that is to be an example of faith and to lead others to the everlasting life through the forgiveness and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. My joy and my reward do come in this lifetime but will really come in eternity. Because of man’s sin, life here will remain troublesome and difficult. I look at it as the place where we do our growing up, our learning, and our understanding so that we can fully appreciate our eternal life should we accept God’s gift and sacrifice through Jesus and do our best to repent from sin and light the way for others. I know it would be so much easier to believe none of this is true, but this is something wrong… Eternity. I want to be with God. Additionally there is so much real evidence that the Bible stories are true! Believe!
If this man practiced kabbalah with Kundalini and the kabbalah tree, he would know. Jewish mysticism is what he needs to practice. Many can say I'm full of it, but if this man practiced that work he'd have a full comprehensive understanding. Meditation is the key.
Sounds like a great way to get stuck with a demon
@@gameguy8101 why would you say that? Have you experienced that to know for sure? I will admit one has to deal with their own demons if that's what your meaning possess one self. As for demons, they are nothing more than spirits who once lived here as a human as much as angels are. You really think those things are going to take the time to possess humans? I really think you need to do some studying and quit living in la la land like other Christians when it comes to this stuff. I will admit other spirits can hurt men and really when it comes to that, it depends on the knowledge they have. Like certain spirits that may do that know knowledge on sorcery and other occult knowledge. Most of the time when humans seem to be possessed, it's due to their own kundalini. It's not an external spirit. Descartes dealt with it and so did st. John of the cross. Have a good day.
@@joelrappaport5699 I'm very confused as to the assertion that demons would not take the time to posses humans. Are you serious? Especially given all that is occurring today globally. Fear is at an all time high, this feeds the dark. Luciferianism, albeit branded by different names, is the ideology that is taking root in a disturbingly large group of people today, especially young people. "Do what thou wilt" is being sold in near all music and film and world leaders. Many of those world leaders engage in sacrifice and are pedophiles. To presume that the dark forces that inhabit this world "can't be bothered" to posses human beings is a very sizeable assumption.
And since you mention Christianity, I think it's important to recall that the single miracle performed most often by Christ was casting demons out of people.
Also, think of this what you will, a kundalini is a snake. Is it not the snake that satan works through?
It sounds like you've been sucked into the new age movement. This is an ideology that promotes feelings of peace, love, and completely opening up oneself to spirits and energies on the assumption that evil does not exist at all, or at most is not bothered to inhabit human beings. Unfortunately, all evil does is inhabit human beings. We are how it thrives and feeds.
If you are sympathetic or involved with the new age, be it through the Hindu, Buddhist, Native, Nihilistic, Christian, or other pathways, I encourage you to get out of it and be very, VERY careful about what you let it.
Also, I encourage you to do research on the origins of the new age movement, focusing on the time around the turn of the century. Many of the original "gurus' guides and promoters were either open satanists or freemasons, and if you know anything about them (at the high degrees) you would know that they are a fraternity that is on the side of the dark.
Stay safe, be careful, darkness is and has been descending for a long while. It is not neutral and it is not powerless.
@@gameguy8101 first and foremost, when I speak on demons, I speak on demons like Hitler, mau, and other people who have lived here and transcend to where ever. When you speak demons, that's what I think your talking about and those consciousness out there possess man. I would say that doesn't tend to happen and if it does it's very very rarely. Second I practice kabbalah and have dealt with my Kundalini for many many years. I don't think Satan is a snake on the ground or the energy of Satan possessing a snake on the ground. Christianity has borrowed from stoicism, biblical Greek ideologies and philosophies, and meditation. I've studied this for a long time. I'm not going to allow one Christian to make me dump years and years of research down the drain. I did the practical work for a long long time. I'm not possessed or do I care what others think who havnt done the work. I don't feel Jordan Peterson needs to be speaking on the topic when he is showing he hasn't fully studied the topic he's preaching on.
I think job is the story of the lamb of GOD
You are right
One thing that no one ever seems to remember in the Book of Job.
Towards the end of that book, God bends down, and whispers into Job's ear, saying: "Thine own right hand could have saved thee."
Yahweh (Jehovah) is mankind, and mankind is, God over all the earth.
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Too bad there are quite a few text mistakes.
During the Dark Ages actual dragons that breathed out 🔥 were slain.
what translation of the Book of Job is he reading from..? i assume it is not the King James Version.. (i think i found it, it is the New International Version. not a Version with much music in it, but this is quite good..).
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10:11 The Dragon breathe fire because she has heartburn from eating totally rotten humans. 🐉🤢🔥
Overthinking our God, as usual. Gif is. You are God. Trust that God is within you. Listen. Ask. Be still. God bless. Love…. Me *
Whoah.... God did not harass Job.
Secular theology always rings hollow.
dr. Peterson needs to listen to dr. Michael heiser for real understanding of scripture
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10:34 …is stolen from Ancient Egyptians. The Uraeus.
Come along, everybody! Listen to the world's 'greatest thinker' analyse fairytales and imaginary entities! Cherish his words as he reveals... well, nothing. Hats off to you, Mr Peterson, you've found your marks and now they hang on your every word as if your munbo-jumbo actually has meaning. Well done!
Thank you for your message
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God isn't trying to justify himself to Job. Job never losses faith in God, he begins to think his friends must be right and he has somehow offended God. God becomes irritated with Job because Job questions God's justice but doesn't account for the fact that outcomes in life rarely are just and God has made all things in time and space and all choices or events lead to the same ultimate outcome. With men God of course let's the best be tested with suffering and the worst he tries to win by easing their suffering. Those he already has he gives to the adversary to test. Note that it isn't Satan who instigated the bet but God. While it is Satan who proposes it God manipulates him into doing so and in the end disposes.
He knew Job would not lose faith in God and he also knew Job would be further tested by his peers who are so stupid they suggest that Job himself must be responsible . He must have done something wrong so Job doubts his own righteousness not God's. God deigns to speak to Job to remind him that it wasn't about him at all and his being led ro doubt himself by his stupid friends is what irritates God The Father. I think God even says something about the stupidity of jobs friend's in suggesting that Job is the reason Job was given over to suffering.
God was irritated that Job who even after being tested in the most horrible ways and was still faithful onto God, doubted himself on account of his foolish friends who God suggests know less than Job and nothing at all.
God asks Job " Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth and set the cornerstone thereof"?
In other words God is saying you don't know even the smallest part of the glory of creation, how dare you suggest that you, small as you are in the grand scheme, could do anything to cause me to alter it for good or ill? God never tells Job that Satan was the reason Job was tested, he only tells him that events unfolded as he, God, had planned and that Job had done nothing to deserve his suffering only that all living things suffer in their time but that just as he may take away so too he gives. Job is reassured that he was not at fault and he went forward reassured that not only had he done nothing wrong but that God's plan was inscrutable and that his continued faith would in it's time be rewarded.
And it was so. Job had double or better in all the properties he lost and he had a new wife and new family even more pleasing to Job than the family he lost because now Job understood that faith was more than being faithful when everything goes your way but is even more valuable to God when you maintained that faith through hard times and that in truth faith and love of God is the real reward itself since suffering is going to happen no matter what. How much more does God appreciate one who loves him even though they suffer? Enough to speak to them directly and impart divine wisdom to them in Jobs case. A great privlege that but only very few humans have ever had. To be addressed directly by God The Father for their sake of understanding.
Hi. I find no "civilization" in Job's book, because "might is right" is not a civilized concept. The story says kings and absolute monarchs have the right to set their torturers onto anyone, innocent or not. No-one has any rights, entire families are discarded like trash, and all God does in the end is boast about his power. Yes, he restores Job's wealth, but only because Job grovels to that power. The entire story is a parable justifying the practice of "MIGHT IS RIGHT", which is why so many words are written about the leviathan.
To understand this story in it's social and political context, consider that every O.T. king or tyrant used torture and murder, so such behaviour was written up as God's actions (as Job does) to sanctify the brutal politics of those days. It used to be called "THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS". King Solomon was supposed to be most wise, but his son Rehoboam lets the cat-out-of-the-bag. (1Kings 12:11) "My father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions". Any modern ruler behaving like these ancient kings would be accused of crimes against humanity. P.R.
If the book of Job is true, God is an absolute monster. There is no other conclusion. Reading Job has devastated me. It exposes God as an utter tyrant. I wish I'd never read it.
You have the mind of an atheist as if everything is this world. This is just meaningless 70 years of life the real life is after life. And of course God can do anything he wants. You have no objective way to tell if it's good or bad. That's part of the philosophy of job book
A bet? Never was that the idea...win loss ? An arrogant challenge that humans serve God as long as they are protected..JP missing the point
Again the message of Job is the motivation of man's worship, not out of love, just humans are seeking self.
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I have questions for the comments section; more of an experiment...
Do you believe in a God? Which one? And what do you believe happens when we die? Thoughts on heaven, hell, purgatory, paradise, ECT. Everyone I ask in person has a different answer. So everyone watching this video surely has some type of opinion, care to share it here? No judgement coming from me on what you believe. I only wish to learn.
@@blueyedsole Thank you for your answer. I can relate to quite a bit of what you said. I was raised in a baptist church but I went to a Catholic school. I walked away from the church in pursuit of truth. Only to keep turning back to Jesus, who himself said he was truth. I've read Dawkins, Carroll, and Sagan. I understand why they don't believe in God, and I can understand why the belief in any God is absurd. Just read Job, or Judges, or even Deuteronomy. I'm not sure if I'm even a real Christian or just indoctrinated into the same beliefs as my parents and their parents before them. It's a pretty messed up history. I believe in God, but the church has not been very Christ like for over 1,800 years. The inquisition really hurt my confidence in the actions of the church. Killing everyone that doesn't believe exactly as you do. 5,000 denominations of Christianity, still looking for the group that got it at least close to what Jesus meant the church to be. With these kinds of issues, I often wonder if the atheist are right, but indoctrination is a hell of a drug.
@@blueyedsole Similar here but a decade after you, parents still here but we're not so close per se. Yahweh. All comes back to that name no matter what. And if/when I deviate from the path, it doesn't feel great anymore. Feels pathetic. Hopefully it lessens over time. It has much so since my 20s. But that's not a moral triumph, that's something else. Still some tough questions remain unanswered as you mention. Also 'time' and our many interpretations our time/God's time. 1000 human years is 1 day to God etc. Such an idea undermines the struggle /s that so many of us have I think. But what do I know... not that much. 😅
@@wer-o-Didache That's interesting to read... Have you looked into what Jesus referred to as "the faithful and discreet slave" that would be sent to look after his people (followers) to come? It links with prophecy in Ezekiel. There would be a dark period after Jesus, where Christians would be persecuted and then embraced as a political manouvre, before a 'faithful and discreet slave' would be chosen and set up to lead and 'shepherd his sheep'. Marks of which would be seen in its 'fruitage' i.e. not participating in /supporting war or violence or politics -- of any kind, to any extent, love for people of all kinds (so not bigotry per se) and various other things including establishing a global ministry/ teaching work.
@@wintertontoday I have not heard of that. Where can I find information on this topic?
Its kind of way off how you explain it.
God had Faith that Job would be faithful, unto death.
And he was!
God asks job, where were you when I created the heaven's and the earth?
Throughout the whole narrative God deals graciously with Job.
Read on.
Job says, if he stands before God, will God crush him, No! Rather He would strenghten him.
You also must understand who Satan is, & also that Satan obeyed God's request to spare Job's life.
Hallelujah
Have you ever thought about Jesus could raise the dead, but Job had never asked GOD to resurrect his offsprings?
Hallelujah
The Bible didn’t show too many details about Job’s offsprings and their Faithfulness.
So I can only assume that the Father/ or Great grandfather Job had his own understanding of his offsprings.
Hallelujah
Have you ever thought of JOB didn’t die before his offsprings?
And why didn’t you think JOB didn’t think the same thoughts of yours?
And JOB kept firmly of his Faithfulness to his GOD. Why? Maybe the Bible didn’t explain how JOB discovered GOD’s GRACE towards himself. The only reason JOB could firmly hold on to GOD was whatever JOB experienced himself that nobody knew before because JOB had never told anyone.
Only the passerby wrote down whatever JOB had experienced in physical form, but not spiritual mind.
Had Jesus actually existed, he would not have been a nice man.
According to Christians, he was a traitor to Judaism, and he came to earth to warn the Jews that if they didn't convert to Christianity, their souls could not be saved.
Adding to that mischief, Jesus would also have supported his father's will to reject most souls to eternal suffering in the afterlife.
I was raised in a Christian culture, but I could never relate to the idea that Jesus was a model of morality.
It's no wonder that the Jews did not believe that Jesus was "their" messiah. As a child, I couldn't even believe that he WAS a messiah.
PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK T THE SCRIPTURE IN THE RELATIONSHIP OF A FAMILY IN WHICH ISTHE FATHER AT THE HEAD AND THE MOTHER ARE THE HEAD IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT NEVER THE LESS OF THE HEAD IS IN CONTROL OF ALL THAT GOES ON IN THE FAMILY WITH THE FATHER !! BOTH HAVE SERTEN DUTIES THAT MAKE THE FAMILY A FAMILY!! THE FATHER IS THE HEAD OF ALL THAT MAKES THE FAMILY WHAT IT IS !! TAKE THE FATHER OUT OF THE FAMILY AND THERE IS NO FAMILY !! JUST CAOS !! AS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS !! TAKE A WIFE OR HUSBAND OR A CHILD THAT STATES THEY LOVE THE OTHER AND WILL NOT EVER DEFRAUD/ CHEAT ON THE OTHER OR THE CHILD THAT STATE IT WILL NEVER DISOBEY THE PARENT !! HOW WILL YOU KNOW UNLESS THEY ARE PUT IN A POSITION THAT TRIES THEIR FAITHFULNESS !!
What about the Epic of Gilgamesh or The Book of Enoch? You've been lied to about your origins as a spiritual human being. Real history has not been examine but through the eyes and hearsay of organized religion over time. Wow!