Hey ! I take some notes... 0:46 first prob make pylone and go scooting 1:57 16 - first gateway 17 - first gaz 18 - second gaz chrono boost no1 in economy, no2&3 in units production 2:15 how to scoot 3:21 19 - Second gateway + 2/3 prod in each gaz when first gateway finished : add cybernetics core 3:46 21 - add second pylone + scoot again (at 1min45) 4:29 23 - when cybernetics core finished, make 2 stalkers + warp gate upgrade note : keep stalkers at home, cut economy when first nexus is full 5:49 nexus in second base + Robotics Facility 5:50 attack whith 4 stalkers (2min55) Keep chrono boost for recall 7:38 One shoot workers whith 4 stalkers. Retrait after killed some workers. 8:28 If you have to many minerals : make gateways ! 8:29 Make Robotics Bay (3min55) and 1 observer 9:00 Make stalkers + 1 immortal (defend). Place 3 stalkers in main base to prevent drops 9:40 when 12-16/16 workers on second base, take 2 gaz 10:05 make 1 colossus + the range of colossus (5min00) + forge 10:15 tips : don't expand fast, focus on tech 10:35 tips : observer [...] 13:54 (7min00) add some canons when you take your 3rd base (2-3) in each bases + twilight council Then... make gateways, stalkers and colossus. When Ground weapons updrade level 2, attack whith 1 warp prism, 1 observer, 6 colossus and a lot of stalkers. Good luck !
You should do a PvX build for diamond+ again but with Stargate Phoenix heavy play most ppl I see playing w a build like that are all masters+ at least the ones I've seen successfully pull off back to back PvX
There's another reply that has links: - build order details lotv.spawningtool.com/build/115726/ - replay file download page lotv.spawningtool.com/55549/ that I'll copy to this pinned thread.
Watched this guide, when I first tried to learn SC2 a year ago, but I did not trust in the build, because everybodys saying, that there is no PvX-Build and I lost a lot with your PvX-Chargelot-Allin. So I played some of your Cheeses and two base all-ins. Reached gold with it, but quit (playing not watching) the game very soon. After nine month, I tried again, took this build to the ladder and am platinum 2 now for whatever reason within a day. Just maxing out, A-Moving across the map. I know, you told this a thousand times in your videos, but it's hard to believe, when watching only Highlevel games. Thank you. Hope I stay on the ball this time.
Been trying this BO for a bit, and as someone who is playing again for the first time in years, it's is exactly what I needed to get back into the game! Thanks a lot
Hello, how is your experience with this BO? are you still playing protoss? does this still work? It sounds like the perfect PvX build for any situation...
@@specter290 it works great for me, I was gold in WoL and hit plat with it recently \o/ It feels really nice, the early units allow you to not instadie to cheese pretty much, and you get free kills on greedy players that build artosis pylons. I'll be using it exclusively until I perfect it, then maybe look at changing it up depending on matchup.
Thank you for these videos! I've started playing online again after 7-8 years (was diamond in WoL). Your videos have helped me tremendously. I'm now tier 2 gold. Thanks to you, I have hope to hit master one day.
This video is so helpful for new player like me. Thank you very much. I will keep that in mind that using simple army composition for new players and not to do too many different tech routes.
True story : I kinda suck at this game, I'm in silver as of September 2020, I'm losing like 85% of my games. I just tried this build order against a terran player, probably did not apply it that well, but I totally destroyed my opponent. It's only 1 game, but still, thanks for the video, I actually didn't realize the colossus was that strong.
Hey Zuka.. i was playin with another beginner PvT build the whole time.. (playing the build against zerg or protoss was really hard but i learned how to counter many things... now i tried to play one of your all in build very hard.. but i just won 2 games... is this build better for me?? i think im playing little bit defensive and I secure my expansions... some of my game goes 30 min to an hour...THANK U MAN U HELPED ME A LOT!!!
Well, this build is really good for beginners but if you want to play something harder and more specific, you should try another PvT build order ;) Try this : ruclips.net/video/Jk5bwnsTi_w/видео.html
@@zukaIngame Hey Zuka.. first I have experienced good times with this build but no im on a 15 games losing streak.. maybe u can help me.. im losing against 3 types of builds: Goes full on Carrier Protoss/ Goes Full on "Kreuzer" (i think Crusader) Terrans and goes Full on Thor Terrans... I feel like building much Archons to defend the flying units makes no sense because its so hard to fight because u are blocking urself and shit and the Stalkers/Dragoners are so squishy in late game when he has so supporting units to his air and can little bit fight u will have really hard times and u will lose in late game because u cant defend ur base with archons (he just erased 16 archons in my last game because they were blocking themself on the big ramp.. :( that makes me really sad..
i feel like maybe im waiting to long to fight them.. but i have experienced that it isnt good to fight before 6 Collossus and max supply plus Upgrades.. and when i reach this point he has so many of these super strong units.. im in time with ur video i dont think im playing it really wrong.. maybe i suck really at fighting :(
and what i have experienced too is that the first attack on his base is sometimes too early and he didnt expend and attacking with 6 stalkers and the have Tank or some strong defense against..
Très bons conseils, comme d'habitude ! Pour être un peu tatillon... ça fait longtemps que je regarde tes vidéos, et je trouve que la musique de fond est un peu répétitive (j'en ai marre de l'écouter huhu). Pourquoi pas la changer au profit d'autres ? Par exemple les musiques de starcraft qui passent bien dans toutes les situations ^^ A par ça c'est très bien, continue !! (Et bonne année
@@zukaIngame Je te conseil le site "epidemic sound" pour chercher des musiques. Tu peux en chercher par genres, ambiances, types etc... C'est très adapté pour les vidéastes ! Bon courage pour la suite :)
@@zukaIngame J'ai jamais eu de problèmes de mon côté en les utilisant sur mes propres vidéos (le robot youtube ne les vois pas) Je pense qu'il faut payer si tu comptes produire des vidéos institutionnelles pour des entreprises. Pour les utilisations perso il ne se passe rien (à vérifier quand même)
I'm not so sure about always going colossus though, seems to me against protoss or terran mech immortals would be a safer choice. Thanks for video. I was using similar 4 stalker opening for protoss already, this might help me with couple additional steps.
Yo, merci bcp pour le tuto, je me mets sérieusement au jeu ces temps-ci et ça m'aide bcp. Cependant je joue surtout en ranked 2v2 avec un pote qui joue zerg, est-ce que tu me conseilles de rester sur ce build order là même en équipe?
i watched your old pvx video a year ago and became first time dia 3 and i thank you very much for that. since then i tested so many builts with different races but my mmr with all was never higher then 3.5mmr. many builts are way too complicated, have too many counters, but my goal is one time to enter the master league. i guess i should get back to my roots and continue with this simple (and better) 2.0 built. thank you senpai 🙇♂️
Hi, thank you for the PvX order, i just started with sc2 and this is just what i needed. Pls, could you make a video or show on twitch build positions on each ladder map and tell me more about the strategy of chronoboosting? I know well only first economy and than first army :) gl hf
Well, I will mainly switch to pure blink stalkers and do a pressure around 8min and win. against this, a blink pressure is the end of the game (if you wait more, he will have enough to beat you)
I just found your channel and have been having a blast using your aggressive Protoss builds in Diamond league. I was wondering if you have any experience with 2v2? I always just kind of wing it, but would love to hear your thoughts on how to play Protoss in team games.
The major probe cut starts when you hit 23 supply, and you resume as soon as the third pylon finishes, right? And the idea is to cut probes when the main is saturated to save supply for the 4 stalkers and minerals for them+nexus?
I looked through your channel and didn't find any english games of you using this build. Do you have any replays or more gameplay where this build doesn't go as planned and you have to adjust? I know it's safe in the way you don't really need to, but I'm switching from T to P and am hoping to find more replays of this build! Thanks!
BO très solide en PvT diam 2. 4 games, 3 wins, la loose est sur un all in 1 base 3 rax, medivac, un tank que j'aurais pu hold si j'avais pas fait mon wall B2, et fait plus de Shield battery.
It just seems like his opponent's macro was worse rather than his unit composition being amazing. His opponent had ~30 supply less army supply when the attack started. If he had 30 supply more of tanks the stalker/collosus would have been obliterated. I think the main takeaway is that if you can max out faster than your opponent, especially 30-40 supply faster than it doesn't really matter what your army composition is. More beats less.
Wow!! I realy loved your video 👍!!! You explain everything very good compared to other youtubers! Coule you alsow Update your Zwerg Build pls 😊! Keep the good work up! Btw i love your axent!
@@zukaIngame why ?? And can you tell me I am new to the game which race to play first like what are the pros and cons for a beginner player which a little bit easier in macro or micro in the beginning
Super vidéo (comme d'hab 😉🙄). Par contre, ton push de départ, il ne fonctionne pas sur les zergs si ? Parce que le gars a juste à faire plein de zerglings et tes stalkers se font décimer... 🤔
Hey zuka! I was curious about the positioning of your second pylon! I'm new to Starcraft 2 :) is there a strategic reason for that pylon placement?? Thank you!!
You need one in front of your wall and another close to your nexus. 2 reasons : Wall at your natural, warp in your main for defense against drop + tech ;)
I played this buid in my placement games (first ever games) and won 2/5 and got placed in gold 2 where I seriously think I don't belong haha. Still was nice to win and nice to have some map. I was wondering why not build a 2nd robo to increase collosus production and get max supply faster?
I'm guessing, but I think that this would be very weak against air and take up way too much of your production. Colossi alone aren't very good, you want a meatshield of GW units with them to tank. If you want more splash/improve your unit comp, probably better to get HT with storm since you're already getting a twilight, that way your splash can shoot up, also archons are great at tanking for your colossi. (But I've only recently picked sc2 up again after being gold in WoL, so take this with a grain of salt I guess...)
Hey how do you manage your probes? You manage to have 3 on each gas node incredibly quickly is there a hot key or something you're using? I know you can set rally points for the nexus and queue probes but how and when are you sending those probes to get gas? Just trying to learn how to be as efficient as possible and I see all the youtube streamers handle it with ease and never seem to need to pop the camera over to the nexus and manually select 3 probes to gather gas, what am I missing?
Asked myself the same question. You don't see it in the video, but in the replay. He manually selected two probes as soon as the first assimilator finished. Then he did the same ten seconds after the second assimilator finished. After the second pylon he put the final two probes into gas. He did not touch the rallypoint. I don't think it's crucial in this build. You don't need to be super tight, to get your gas before the cybercore finishes.
What difference does it make for the first pylon being positioned differently against different races? For example, why do you have to place it more higher when facing Terrans?
I this is pretty straightforward build but I feel it is not very universal. It will not do great again Mutalisk. I will also have harder time again more armed units, mass thors.
Salut, super vidéo comme d'hab! Tu pense qu'il pourrait y avoir une version B2 all-in? Pck les agressions B2 c un peu chaud je trouve des fois, après je devrais réagit avec le scout mais bon
@@zukaIngame oui je le connais c'est celui que j'utilise en ce moment il est trop bien :) tu penses ton Pvx 2020 est plus fort que l'ancien zealot/immo/archonte? Je trouve tes pvx vraiment bien pour apprendre et progresser dans le jeu. Ils sont très plaisants à jouer. :)
so Ive gotten smacked by mass viking against my stalker colossus build a couple times recently. gold league is so weird.... other races have a hard time countering it for sure but apparently not lower level terran
Merci pour la vidéo tres instructive! Comment fais tu contre un zerg qui mass ling avec speed boost au début? Les 4 stalkers sont vraiment faible contre mass speed lings. Des idées? Merci!
Il faut garder un recall de dispo. Dis toi qu'à partir de 3,30 tu auras des speedlings mais que si tu forces leur production : tu y gagnes économiquement.
@@zukaIngame Ok compris! Superbe video en tout cas c'est une bonne idée d'expliquer un PvX! Parfait pour les débutant. J'ai carément progresser grace a ce build order. Bonne continuation :)
Zuka u forgot to say that if a Protoss opens Nexus before Cyber ( yes I saw this in GM ) it’s obviously not a cheese or an agressive opening. Zuka t’as oublié de dire que si le protoss ouvre Nexus avant son cyber ( oui j’ai vu ça en GM ) c’est évidemment pas un cheese ou un opening agressif. ( je mets les comm en double pour ceux qui savent pas parler anglais )
Yes obviously, this kind of things can happen. But i can't cover every weird openings (even iff they exidtes). Pvt + pvp : if it's a cc/nexus first, you are safe 😁
@@babelstory (and anyone else this might be useful for): this is why you keep a recall available when you move out with your stalkers, I assume. I'm also guessing that you're supposed to get blink if you see air, that+many gateways+upgrades saved me against sky toss when using this build yesterday night. Also in this game, I was harrassed with an oracle, and recall meant that I hardly lost anything. Disclaimer: I don't actually know what I'm talking about, this was a placement match vs a gold 2 player, and I last played in WoL (gold back then).
Mid dia 2 here and sometimes I'll run to a zerg that knows to make lurkers and I just can't win against them. Both armies trade out and zerg obviously remakes army faster.
This is how zerg works. They play on reproduction. If I do a bronze to master with it, I will show you how to counter it. Most of the time it's isn't a big big problem. When you attack a mass lurker, preparing the fight is really important to avoid massive AOE
@@zukaIngame Yeah, I find it easier to just play Skytoss vs zerg. If I can get to that deathball point, it's over for the zerg. No one in Diamond knows how to deal with Skytoss deathball. Just need to defend those all-ins and runbys. I seriously don't know how to engage vs mass lurkers with this comb, especially when they attack into you first, sieging up in front of your base. Got trolled by mass corruptor into Roach too where I'm too flustered by him harassing my third with Roach, pissing on my main with corruptors, or just outright sniping colossus with them.
Yeah, there is some specific build where you need to adapt (cheese, mech etc) full immo zealot archon is the key but before master, colossi stalkers works well
hi your videos are amazing ! i have learn a lot with protoss however, ill like to ask you and if you can explain in a video would be amazing, how the hell and i mean how the hell can i improve my APM is really difficult though i can lear the build order the oponent APM doubles mine many times and i lose because of that :( so it would be great some tips of how to improve APM
Well, I can do a specific video about this but the answer is clear : Playing with keyboard as much as possible (only micro should be done with mouse) and playing... playing a lot. When things become mechanical, you will see that your APM will increase. One more things, in my league, opponents have double of my APM too, but they have a lot of spam
I added them in the descrption : here are links : PvX - Stalker/Colossi v1 : ruclips.net/video/siUROXIzDYI/видео.html PvX - Zealot/Immo/Archon : ruclips.net/video/BAiuBxxjjUA/видео.html PvX - All-in zealot charge : ruclips.net/video/Pz4tgRuHQIE/видео.html
Turtle skytoss = Blink , turtle terran... well : Zealot charge will be helpful. If you want to hard counter this : immo/zealot/archon as soon as you see it (but you go out of the PvX)
@@zukaIngame I found the problem, i was playing on training mode and i donth know why, but the clock runs at diferent time than a normal match! Thanks for your response!
Hey ! I take some notes...
0:46 first prob make pylone and go scooting
1:57 16 - first gateway
17 - first gaz
18 - second gaz
chrono boost no1 in economy, no2&3 in units production
2:15 how to scoot
3:21 19 - Second gateway + 2/3 prod in each gaz
when first gateway finished : add cybernetics core
3:46 21 - add second pylone + scoot again (at 1min45)
4:29 23 - when cybernetics core finished, make 2 stalkers + warp gate upgrade
note : keep stalkers at home, cut economy when first nexus is full
5:49 nexus in second base + Robotics Facility
5:50 attack whith 4 stalkers (2min55)
Keep chrono boost for recall
7:38 One shoot workers whith 4 stalkers. Retrait after killed some workers.
8:28 If you have to many minerals : make gateways !
8:29 Make Robotics Bay (3min55) and 1 observer
9:00 Make stalkers + 1 immortal (defend). Place 3 stalkers in main base to prevent drops
9:40 when 12-16/16 workers on second base, take 2 gaz
10:05 make 1 colossus + the range of colossus (5min00) + forge
10:15 tips : don't expand fast, focus on tech
10:35 tips : observer
[...]
13:54 (7min00) add some canons when you take your 3rd base (2-3) in each bases + twilight council
Then... make gateways, stalkers and colossus.
When Ground weapons updrade level 2, attack whith 1 warp prism, 1 observer, 6 colossus and a lot of stalkers.
Good luck !
Perfect! Nice job bro!
thx, gj, very helpful
You should do a PvX build for diamond+ again but with Stargate Phoenix heavy play most ppl I see playing w a build like that are all masters+ at least the ones I've seen successfully pull off back to back PvX
Thanks for this training bro, merci beaucoup le Christ est la Vie/Zoé qui t'habite 😁
There's another reply that has links:
- build order details lotv.spawningtool.com/build/115726/
- replay file download page lotv.spawningtool.com/55549/
that I'll copy to this pinned thread.
Watched this guide, when I first tried to learn SC2 a year ago, but I did not trust in the build, because everybodys saying, that there is no PvX-Build and I lost a lot with your PvX-Chargelot-Allin. So I played some of your Cheeses and two base all-ins. Reached gold with it, but quit (playing not watching) the game very soon. After nine month, I tried again, took this build to the ladder and am platinum 2 now for whatever reason within a day. Just maxing out, A-Moving across the map. I know, you told this a thousand times in your videos, but it's hard to believe, when watching only Highlevel games. Thank you. Hope I stay on the ball this time.
Been trying this BO for a bit, and as someone who is playing again for the first time in years, it's is exactly what I needed to get back into the game! Thanks a lot
Hello, how is your experience with this BO? are you still playing protoss? does this still work? It sounds like the perfect PvX build for any situation...
@@specter290 it works great for me, I was gold in WoL and hit plat with it recently \o/
It feels really nice, the early units allow you to not instadie to cheese pretty much, and you get free kills on greedy players that build artosis pylons. I'll be using it exclusively until I perfect it, then maybe look at changing it up depending on matchup.
Getting back into starcraft after another 6months off, glad to see you've updated this build. Thanks again for the build guide!
Thank you for these videos! I've started playing online again after 7-8 years (was diamond in WoL). Your videos have helped me tremendously. I'm now tier 2 gold. Thanks to you, I have hope to hit master one day.
This video is so helpful for new player like me. Thank you very much. I will keep that in mind that using simple army composition for new players and not to do too many different tech routes.
You're welcome bro ;)
True story : I kinda suck at this game, I'm in silver as of September 2020, I'm losing like 85% of my games. I just tried this build order against a terran player, probably did not apply it that well, but I totally destroyed my opponent. It's only 1 game, but still, thanks for the video, I actually didn't realize the colossus was that strong.
Great job bro 😁
Please Bronze to Master! More english content whould be also great! 😊👍
I say colossus a lot instead of colossi 😶 sorry for that!
Oh, it's not the point. Most of us think these are synonyms
Yo don't worry. I learn a lot from you without understanding what you say at times. But I can always catch up with the game play and context.
Your English is excellent! Don't worry!
Hey Zuka.. i was playin with another beginner PvT build the whole time.. (playing the build against zerg or protoss was really hard but i learned how to counter many things... now i tried to play one of your all in build very hard.. but i just won 2 games... is this build better for me?? i think im playing little bit defensive and I secure my expansions... some of my game goes 30 min to an hour...THANK U MAN U HELPED ME A LOT!!!
Well, this build is really good for beginners but if you want to play something harder and more specific, you should try another PvT build order ;) Try this : ruclips.net/video/Jk5bwnsTi_w/видео.html
@@zukaIngame Hey Zuka.. first I have experienced good times with this build but no im on a 15 games losing streak.. maybe u can help me.. im losing against 3 types of builds: Goes full on Carrier Protoss/ Goes Full on "Kreuzer" (i think Crusader) Terrans and goes Full on Thor Terrans... I feel like building much Archons to defend the flying units makes no sense because its so hard to fight because u are blocking urself and shit and the Stalkers/Dragoners are so squishy in late game when he has so supporting units to his air and can little bit fight u will have really hard times and u will lose in late game because u cant defend ur base with archons (he just erased 16 archons in my last game because they were blocking themself on the big ramp.. :( that makes me really sad..
i feel like maybe im waiting to long to fight them.. but i have experienced that it isnt good to fight before 6 Collossus and max supply plus Upgrades.. and when i reach this point he has so many of these super strong units.. im in time with ur video i dont think im playing it really wrong.. maybe i suck really at fighting :(
and what i have experienced too is that the first attack on his base is sometimes too early and he didnt expend and attacking with 6 stalkers and the have Tank or some strong defense against..
Your content is amazing! Thank you! When you say "I will explain you" it would be better to say "I will explain to you" Cheers!
Oh okay, will try to not do the mistake again ;)
Great video, have my upvote dude! Well explained as well with your accent
Of course, we want a new bronze to master series!
Good job, thank you for this!!
You own a subscriber.
Is Charge being weaker the reason you decided to go back to Stalker Colossus? Awesome videos, helped me finally get to diamond!
Totally, the chargelot opening is way weaker in pvt and pvz for defense. I recommand playing stalker/colossi for beginners 😁
zuka Ingame Thought so, once again thank you!
Great video zuka! 😀☺️😉
Thank you!
Très bons conseils, comme d'habitude !
Pour être un peu tatillon... ça fait longtemps que je regarde tes vidéos, et je trouve que la musique de fond est un peu répétitive (j'en ai marre de l'écouter huhu). Pourquoi pas la changer au profit d'autres ? Par exemple les musiques de starcraft qui passent bien dans toutes les situations ^^
A par ça c'est très bien, continue !!
(Et bonne année
En fait c'est difficile de trouver des musiques justement. Je vais un peu chercher la semaine prochaine :)
@@zukaIngame Je te conseil le site "epidemic sound" pour chercher des musiques. Tu peux en chercher par genres, ambiances, types etc... C'est très adapté pour les vidéastes !
Bon courage pour la suite :)
@@ClemWMinecraft et c'est no copyright?
@@zukaIngame J'ai jamais eu de problèmes de mon côté en les utilisant sur mes propres vidéos (le robot youtube ne les vois pas)
Je pense qu'il faut payer si tu comptes produire des vidéos institutionnelles pour des entreprises. Pour les utilisations perso il ne se passe rien (à vérifier quand même)
I'm not so sure about always going colossus though, seems to me against protoss or terran mech immortals would be a safer choice. Thanks for video. I was using similar 4 stalker opening for protoss already, this might help me with couple additional steps.
Well, the purpose of this video is to give a global build order. Of course it isn't optimal in all kind of situations ;)
I really like Stalker/Colossus, would love to see a Bronze to Master with this build :)
*Hello, I'm Diamond 2. Can you get to Master 3 with this build? Thankyou*
Yo, merci bcp pour le tuto, je me mets sérieusement au jeu ces temps-ci et ça m'aide bcp. Cependant je joue surtout en ranked 2v2 avec un pote qui joue zerg, est-ce que tu me conseilles de rester sur ce build order là même en équipe?
i watched your old pvx video a year ago and became first time dia 3 and i thank you very much for that.
since then i tested so many builts with different races but my mmr with all was never higher then 3.5mmr. many builts are way too complicated, have too many counters, but my goal is one time to enter the master league.
i guess i should get back to my roots and continue with this simple (and better) 2.0 built.
thank you senpai 🙇♂️
If your goal is "simply master". The easy way is cheese :D
@@zukaIngame naa i'm not a cheeser. aint my style. i'm 3,6kmmr alomst. i'm climbing 😎
Bonne vidéo ;)
Continue c'est super intéressant
Tu vas atteindre de plus en plus de monde j'en suis sûr, lâche rien ;)
J'espère mais ça prend du temps ;)
Hi, thank you for the PvX order, i just started with sc2 and this is just what i needed. Pls, could you make a video or show on twitch build positions on each ladder map and tell me more about the strategy of chronoboosting? I know well only first economy and than first army :) gl hf
Not pro here but chronoboost is always good to be put on forge and research upgrades, like extended thermal lance, charge, blink, etc.
Thanks Zuka
Yeah, accent can be a problem :(
Thanks for the guide!
taking up sc2 again. now as protoss. ty for the tips
You're welcome ;)
Thanks, I love your videos.
What would you do with this build if you scout an opponent going Voidrays/Skytoss? (Diamond here if it matters)
Well, I will mainly switch to pure blink stalkers and do a pressure around 8min and win. against this, a blink pressure is the end of the game (if you wait more, he will have enough to beat you)
I just found your channel and have been having a blast using your aggressive Protoss builds in Diamond league. I was wondering if you have any experience with 2v2? I always just kind of wing it, but would love to hear your thoughts on how to play Protoss in team games.
Not really. To be honest, 2vs2 is not very balanced. I reached master league in it but I simply use some 1vs1 build. In 2vs2: Skytoss builds are OP !
The major probe cut starts when you hit 23 supply, and you resume as soon as the third pylon finishes, right? And the idea is to cut probes when the main is saturated to save supply for the 4 stalkers and minerals for them+nexus?
Muchas gracias :D una build muy util para practicar y aprender. Saludos
Thank you :D
I looked through your channel and didn't find any english games of you using this build. Do you have any replays or more gameplay where this build doesn't go as planned and you have to adjust? I know it's safe in the way you don't really need to, but I'm switching from T to P and am hoping to find more replays of this build!
Thanks!
Hey! Merci vraiment! M'a essayer tout ça :D
BO très solide en PvT diam 2. 4 games, 3 wins, la loose est sur un all in 1 base 3 rax, medivac, un tank que j'aurais pu hold si j'avais pas fait mon wall B2, et fait plus de Shield battery.
Ouaip ce genre de BO peut être chaud. Normalement tu es censé avoir le colosse à temps pour tenir ;)
It just seems like his opponent's macro was worse rather than his unit composition being amazing. His opponent had ~30 supply less army supply when the attack started. If he had 30 supply more of tanks the stalker/collosus would have been obliterated. I think the main takeaway is that if you can max out faster than your opponent, especially 30-40 supply faster than it doesn't really matter what your army composition is. More beats less.
Don't forget the 6 workers killed at the beginning of the game. That is a massive advantage against terran.
Wow!! I realy loved your video 👍!!! You explain everything very good compared to other youtubers! Coule you alsow Update your Zwerg Build pls 😊! Keep the good work up! Btw i love your axent!
I will try it. Always hard to add some T or Z content ;)
@@zukaIngame why ?? And can you tell me I am new to the game which race to play first like what are the pros and cons for a beginner player which a little bit easier in macro or micro in the beginning
Le Charles de Gaulle du Starcraft!
I wish you show all three matchups using this amazing beginners build order
It's hard in one single video. But i can do another video using them 😉
Super vidéo (comme d'hab 😉🙄).
Par contre, ton push de départ, il ne fonctionne pas sur les zergs si ?
Parce que le gars a juste à faire plein de zerglings et tes stalkers se font décimer... 🤔
Dans ce cas tu back et tu as un avantage éco ;)
OK merci pour ta réponse
Hey zuka! I was curious about the positioning of your second pylon! I'm new to Starcraft 2 :) is there a strategic reason for that pylon placement?? Thank you!!
You need one in front of your wall and another close to your nexus. 2 reasons : Wall at your natural, warp in your main for defense against drop + tech ;)
@@zukaIngame That makes sense! I usually panic and make mistakes when my opponents appears at my main. Thanks for the reply zuka!
What means cutting the economy? stopping probe production? They said always produce probes. Is it different thing?
exactly. It's cutting the probe production. General idea is "never cut" but ofc, if you need a building you cut and resume 5sec after
I played this buid in my placement games (first ever games) and won 2/5 and got placed in gold 2 where I seriously think I don't belong haha. Still was nice to win and nice to have some map. I was wondering why not build a 2nd robo to increase collosus production and get max supply faster?
I'm guessing, but I think that this would be very weak against air and take up way too much of your production. Colossi alone aren't very good, you want a meatshield of GW units with them to tank. If you want more splash/improve your unit comp, probably better to get HT with storm since you're already getting a twilight, that way your splash can shoot up, also archons are great at tanking for your colossi. (But I've only recently picked sc2 up again after being gold in WoL, so take this with a grain of salt I guess...)
thank you very much for this :)
Hey how do you manage your probes? You manage to have 3 on each gas node incredibly quickly is there a hot key or something you're using? I know you can set rally points for the nexus and queue probes but how and when are you sending those probes to get gas? Just trying to learn how to be as efficient as possible and I see all the youtube streamers handle it with ease and never seem to need to pop the camera over to the nexus and manually select 3 probes to gather gas, what am I missing?
Asked myself the same question. You don't see it in the video, but in the replay. He manually selected two probes as soon as the first assimilator finished. Then he did the same ten seconds after the second assimilator finished. After the second pylon he put the final two probes into gas. He did not touch the rallypoint. I don't think it's crucial in this build. You don't need to be super tight, to get your gas before the cybercore finishes.
What difference does it make for the first pylon being positioned differently against different races? For example, why do you have to place it more higher when facing Terrans?
Probably to block reaper jumps or faster tech, coz u know... Pylon starts toss techs...
merci pour se build
nice video, nice input for a noob like me ;)
Omg ta amélioré ton accent RUclips met anglais et pas français 😂🤣🤣🤣
Et tu feras un ZvX 2020 ?
My friend gz on the video! and keep doing good content. why do you need the first pilon there? you only say it works but not why?
First pylon is at 14. In every situations ;)
@@zukaIngame now I know is to wall up and close! Keep the content in English coming :)very helpful!
I this is pretty straightforward build but I feel it is not very universal. It will not do great again Mutalisk. I will also have harder time again more armed units, mass thors.
Zuka, what are the biggest differences with the previous stalkers/colossi? 1st pylon at natural and?
Not a double forge, only one and I think that I do less stalkers now (not really sure)
Salut, super vidéo comme d'hab! Tu pense qu'il pourrait y avoir une version B2 all-in? Pck les agressions B2 c un peu chaud je trouve des fois, après je devrais réagit avec le scout mais bon
Franchement c'est chaud. J'ai fait un PvX all-in sur B2 (ruclips.net/video/Pz4tgRuHQIE/видео.html) je la sortirais en FR ;)
@@zukaIngame oui je le connais c'est celui que j'utilise en ce moment il est trop bien :) tu penses ton Pvx 2020 est plus fort que l'ancien zealot/immo/archonte? Je trouve tes pvx vraiment bien pour apprendre et progresser dans le jeu. Ils sont très plaisants à jouer. :)
should I change the build order if they get the reaper tech before second cc?
so Ive gotten smacked by mass viking against my stalker colossus build a couple times recently. gold league is so weird.... other races have a hard time countering it for sure but apparently not lower level terran
Your stalkers didn't kill them?
Merci pour la vidéo tres instructive!
Comment fais tu contre un zerg qui mass ling avec speed boost au début?
Les 4 stalkers sont vraiment faible contre mass speed lings.
Des idées?
Merci!
Il faut garder un recall de dispo. Dis toi qu'à partir de 3,30 tu auras des speedlings mais que si tu forces leur production : tu y gagnes économiquement.
@@zukaIngame Ok compris!
Superbe video en tout cas c'est une bonne idée d'expliquer un PvX!
Parfait pour les débutant. J'ai carément progresser grace a ce build order.
Bonne continuation :)
What do you do against lurkers?
Why the change from chargelot immortal archon to stalker colossus?
My english is broken mate, but yours... it plays a whole new level xDD
i'm interested in doing this build. How would you add in harassment when you start to get more comfortable with toss?
Your English is improving
thank you
Zuka u forgot to say that if a Protoss opens Nexus before Cyber ( yes I saw this in GM ) it’s obviously not a cheese or an agressive opening.
Zuka t’as oublié de dire que si le protoss ouvre Nexus avant son cyber ( oui j’ai vu ça en GM ) c’est évidemment pas un cheese ou un opening agressif. ( je mets les comm en double pour ceux qui savent pas parler anglais )
Yes obviously, this kind of things can happen. But i can't cover every weird openings (even iff they exidtes). Pvt + pvp : if it's a cc/nexus first, you are safe 😁
hey man your excellent thanks so much you french beast
Hi - thanks for the great info, but I wonder how do you counter mass Phoenix with this build? The opponent usually starts harassing early on.
With stalkers?
@@EricT43 With blink stalkers, right? I still lose my probes big time. I'm only gold, so...that's that.
@@babelstory (and anyone else this might be useful for): this is why you keep a recall available when you move out with your stalkers, I assume. I'm also guessing that you're supposed to get blink if you see air, that+many gateways+upgrades saved me against sky toss when using this build yesterday night. Also in this game, I was harrassed with an oracle, and recall meant that I hardly lost anything. Disclaimer: I don't actually know what I'm talking about, this was a placement match vs a gold 2 player, and I last played in WoL (gold back then).
Mid dia 2 here and sometimes I'll run to a zerg that knows to make lurkers and I just can't win against them. Both armies trade out and zerg obviously remakes army faster.
This is how zerg works. They play on reproduction. If I do a bronze to master with it, I will show you how to counter it. Most of the time it's isn't a big big problem. When you attack a mass lurker, preparing the fight is really important to avoid massive AOE
@@zukaIngame Yeah, I find it easier to just play Skytoss vs zerg. If I can get to that deathball point, it's over for the zerg. No one in Diamond knows how to deal with Skytoss deathball.
Just need to defend those all-ins and runbys.
I seriously don't know how to engage vs mass lurkers with this comb, especially when they attack into you first, sieging up in front of your base.
Got trolled by mass corruptor into Roach too where I'm too flustered by him harassing my third with Roach, pissing on my main with corruptors, or just outright sniping colossus with them.
Hi! i was looking for the video he mentionned at the end, how to defend cheese/spawning pool rush/cannon rush etc ?
Maybe I forget to add links :
Cannon rush : ruclips.net/video/JQFDCDj3Y4k/видео.html
12 Pool : ruclips.net/video/-blIn1nmAFY/видео.html
Just got destroyed vs turtle mech with this style. I suppose vs that you mass immos instead of Colo?
Yeah, there is some specific build where you need to adapt (cheese, mech etc) full immo zealot archon is the key but before master, colossi stalkers works well
@@zukaIngame How do you deal with possible blue flame hellion backstab once you go attack? Is one cannon per base enough?
"He's a german player sooo... He's is really not a bad player"
Yeah makes sense
diamond 1, not german
@@quentinbackaert6260 Ha shit hahaha thanks
haha i first thought the same but yeah it's not german but diamond :D
hi your videos are amazing ! i have learn a lot with protoss however, ill like to ask you and if you can explain in a video would be amazing, how the hell and i mean how the hell can i improve my APM is really difficult though i can lear the build order the oponent APM doubles mine many times and i lose because of that :( so it would be great some tips of how to improve APM
Well, I can do a specific video about this but the answer is clear : Playing with keyboard as much as possible (only micro should be done with mouse) and playing... playing a lot. When things become mechanical, you will see that your APM will increase.
One more things, in my league, opponents have double of my APM too, but they have a lot of spam
@@zukaIngame thanks for respond ! Well cuold be a vídeo of hotkeys recomendation ill keep practicing :P mercy :D
tnx bro
Can you maybe pit a link to the other videos mentioned in the video?
I added them in the descrption : here are links :
PvX - Stalker/Colossi v1 : ruclips.net/video/siUROXIzDYI/видео.html
PvX - Zealot/Immo/Archon : ruclips.net/video/BAiuBxxjjUA/видео.html
PvX - All-in zealot charge : ruclips.net/video/Pz4tgRuHQIE/видео.html
Feel like this build order is weak against marauder heavy bio
And against turtle terran to BC or turtle skytoss?
Turtle skytoss = Blink , turtle terran... well : Zealot charge will be helpful. If you want to hard counter this : immo/zealot/archon as soon as you see it (but you go out of the PvX)
helo Zuka ! la version française existe ?
comment retenir un BO ? tous ces timings c'est insane
Pas de miracles, il faut try hard ! Pour moi, apprendre un BO, ça me prend autour de 50 games facilement. Et pourtant j'ai l'expérience ;)
I cannt make the timing goes right, cant get the cybernetics finish by minute 2:00 how the hell did you get that?
Well, if you fail that : timing of your gate ? do you send 3 probes in each gas ? What is the problem : The amount of mineral or the timing ?
@@zukaIngame I found the problem, i was playing on training mode and i donth know why, but the clock runs at diferent time than a normal match!
Thanks for your response!
More english speakers need to subscribe to his channel so he will make more videos in English!
I couldn't get " max supply" in 10min?
It's hard to reach ;)
Yeah why no more charge lots archon imm
Weaker with the last patch. Colossi/stalkers works better for a pvx build 😁
How or where can i download the replay? Cant find it in the link.
Here: lotv.spawningtool.com/build/115726
@@zukaIngame thanks
le bon accent FRANCAIS xD
Ничего не понятно, но очень интересно
15:27 "its simply miami"
if you see a cc ca me tue quand tu dis ca
No scoot anymore :(
Minimal scout to be honest
Bronze to master please
Maybe after my terran bronze to master ;)
trop de video en anglais c'est dommage... A la limite prévoir des sous titres?
T'inquiète, elle arrive en FR
tu parles super bien anglais, mais l'accent est à coupé au couteau ;p
Oui :D Je le travaille pas ça prend du temps
no detection? pff drop some dts and get on with the next match boi
I have detection in time ;)
Can't understand anything you say besides when you pause it for no reason.
Dunno bro, I can understand everything.
not a single win yet
;(
En français 😭
Je vais la sortir t'inquiète ;)
Super !!!
Tu saoule à parler en anglais
Go to specialist. Your speech is terrible. I can`t understand what are you talking.
I'm french