Hey Harstem, I did a video about another build order and a guy talked about your BO (this one). Any problem if I share your video in mine ? (it can give you a little boost through the french community)
You don't ever have to ask me for permission again. I watched some of your stuff and really like it, if anything that belongs to me can improve your stuff please use it freely.
@@Harstem wow, this is the best answer that I can get from a pro like you (I watch you since so many years... like when I was gold). I really appreciate and i'm happy that you liked my stuff !
Guys does it still works even with the zelots charge nerf ? Now that zelots are faster but they don’t hit +8 ? I’d say no cause u said « u just want to charge in top of them and go back then »
ViBE showed a very similar build already 1.5 years back - 32 probes, WP, charge, but no immos; just spamming chargelots and hopping between bases. That's at least as disgusting and it didn't make most protoss players use it.
I have some noob questions (I'm plat 3). If this build auto-loses to an early pool, isn't that a pretty glaring weakness? Not an insignificant amount of players do early pool. Why not pylon scout to prevent that? Also, you don't finish your wall until you put down the second gate around 3:13, that might be too late to block lings even if the oppo goes hatch-first, right? (I don't know timings that well, so maybe not) I guess for my lower rank, I should just sacrifice some efficiency and finish the wall sooner, yeah?
So far i have tried this about 15 times on dia level. Didn't win a single game. They always scout it. I am doing something very wrong but i don't know what
I am using two different build actually: one without robo with a proxy warpgate, you don't have immortals which are very good against roaches, but you hit 45 seconds earlier so he'll probably have zerglings, queens and few roaches so it doesn't matter. Second one still without robo, with proxy warpgate and hidden templar archives. You hit around 6:30 with 20 zealots, 4 full energy templars and 2-3 archons. If your storms are good, there's not really much that can hold that.
2JoeStudios I've had some success with this build post nerf. The big sticking points for me were to be especially careful with the gas units not dying and really to stick to posting at a hatchery that way there's always a good non chase target. I've had minor luck keeping some gas and throwing one or two stalkers or adepts into the mix but too many stalkers can make the immortal micro harder. I also have tried a non all in build that has a bail button if or when the push starts to fail, but of course its attack does fail a bit more.
@harstem I have no problem holding early ling/bane nydus all with this. I just put my gateways on the low ground. Is a 12 pool automatic loss? A 12 pool is the only way I lose
He won at like 6:25. The maximum possible mutas they could have is like 2 and that requires a lot of commitment. Also even if zerg had 7 mutas they take ages to kill zealots and all that investment into mutas will leave you with almost no ground army. Which means the zealots are just gonna kill all of your drones
@@patrickcampbell957 thanks , i year later i dont play starcraft , i slowly descended into madness and now i play league of legends , please let me out of this carnage
The nice thing about being in gold is everyone else you play against is also in gold so their response won't be perfect either. So yes it will work, especially with a bit of practice
@@twoweirdbros6969 Because you can just scout after placing the first gateway and react to 12 pool in time? The reason why Harstem dies to 12 pool wasn't because he's all-in'ing, it was because he was being greedy with his eco so his all-in came faster. He scouted after gateway, nexus and cyber. That's wayyyy to late to react to 12 pool. If you are >diamond 1 you should always just scout after making first gateway vs zerg. Having your push arrive 5 seconds earlier isn't worth losing to every 12 pool
This has nothing to do with openings: opening is quite standard, only difference is faster gas. If you scout 12 pool you need faster second gate, later nexus and 2 zealots at the start.
![[GUIDE] Destroying zergs with archon drop](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wisb07zdLhM/mqdefault.jpg)
"did nothing fancy" micros perfectly
wrr
You don't play at this level^^
Hahahahaha while he super micros and hits those keys!! Lol
and he sounds like hes playing a piano the same time, like wtf are u doing, im missing a lot. love u harstem.
in honor of youtube bringing back the search oldest button, cheers captain
Watching this a year later... your content potential was apparent. What it is now is phenomenal. Well done sir. Gonna binge watch last to first now
I’m glad he tells us how to hold it at the end
Hey Harstem, I did a video about another build order and a guy talked about your BO (this one). Any problem if I share your video in mine ? (it can give you a little boost through the french community)
You don't ever have to ask me for permission again. I watched some of your stuff and really like it, if anything that belongs to me can improve your stuff please use it freely.
@@Harstem wow, this is the best answer that I can get from a pro like you (I watch you since so many years... like when I was gold). I really appreciate and i'm happy that you liked my stuff !
as if we needed more proof Harstem is an awesome human being o7
Guys does it still works even with the zelots charge nerf ? Now that zelots are faster but they don’t hit +8 ? I’d say no cause u said « u just want to charge in top of them and go back then »
@@zukaIngame ça alors les grands esprits se rencontrent !
This is disgusting and as a zerg i hate it. And love you for bringing it to the masses. Shared it with my P buddy and he says it's better than crack
ViBE showed a very similar build already 1.5 years back - 32 probes, WP, charge, but no immos; just spamming chargelots and hopping between bases. That's at least as disgusting and it didn't make most protoss players use it.
wrr
@Axel Ave At the time of this video chargelots still had the 8 damage upon impact.
Shat ap op Zerg you deserve all of this
You're amazing and we need more of these!
1 year later and i haven't lost a game in diamond in over 10 matches against zerg using this build
My boi Harstem all grown up now since this vid, thanks for the video king
I like how you tube says this is a year ago when it's two years ago and that Harstem choose SC1 as the game he's playing.
I can testify, at least in D2, this still works like a charm
The FASTEST 2 base all-in. Damn.
o7 Thank you Captain. I've been trying this on ladder recently, but I was doing a few things wrong that this video brought to my attention.
That was an amazing guide! thank you. but "nothing fancy" about ur micro cannot be true
I like the new content, its funny its interesting but this, this is educacional
I have some noob questions (I'm plat 3). If this build auto-loses to an early pool, isn't that a pretty glaring weakness? Not an insignificant amount of players do early pool. Why not pylon scout to prevent that? Also, you don't finish your wall until you put down the second gate around 3:13, that might be too late to block lings even if the oppo goes hatch-first, right? (I don't know timings that well, so maybe not)
I guess for my lower rank, I should just sacrifice some efficiency and finish the wall sooner, yeah?
It will only lose to that if they do it perfectly. I usually scout for the base and pool timings regardless, even though it is a little later
Lings usually arrive from a hatch first at 3:07-3:15 depending on map length
Great guide! Thanks cap
good build i recommend, but u have to MICRO a lot to not lose immortal and prism
Thanks for an awesome build Harstem. Is it possible to scout / respond to those crazy fast nydus cheeses with this build?
i am somehow 15 seconds late even with this build
the god thing when you in plat 3 is you don't have to do all the fake drone buildung ;)
If you use this build on the ladder and you lose, you have done something wrong. - Ofc im doing something wrong, im in platinum :D Love your videos.
i mean, you don't scout. Like you will absolutely lose to 12 pool.
does this still work?
Dat is een duidelijke uitleg! Bedankt! Komen er meer?
Is wel de bedoeling
So far i have tried this about 15 times on dia level. Didn't win a single game. They always scout it. I am doing something very wrong but i don't know what
Charge got nerfed. Lol.
I am using two different build actually: one without robo with a proxy warpgate, you don't have immortals which are very good against roaches, but you hit 45 seconds earlier so he'll probably have zerglings, queens and few roaches so it doesn't matter. Second one still without robo, with proxy warpgate and hidden templar archives. You hit around 6:30 with 20 zealots, 4 full energy templars and 2-3 archons. If your storms are good, there's not really much that can hold that.
@@torilose oh. Well that makes sense.
2JoeStudios I've had some success with this build post nerf. The big sticking points for me were to be especially careful with the gas units not dying and really to stick to posting at a hatchery that way there's always a good non chase target. I've had minor luck keeping some gas and throwing one or two stalkers or adepts into the mix but too many stalkers can make the immortal micro harder. I also have tried a non all in build that has a bail button if or when the push starts to fail, but of course its attack does fail a bit more.
Do u think it still work with the new current patch ?
Zealot charge did get nerfed (less damage), but I'm sure it will still do a lot of damage
I enjoyed this guide!
Could you upload a replay of this build ?
@harstem I have no problem holding early ling/bane nydus all with this. I just put my gateways on the low ground. Is a 12 pool automatic loss? A 12 pool is the only way I lose
SO this is why they wanted to nerf the zealot charge.
this BO still work actually ?
Where are my Zerg spies at?
What if zerg builds mutas?
He will die before mutas
He won at like 6:25. The maximum possible mutas they could have is like 2 and that requires a lot of commitment.
Also even if zerg had 7 mutas they take ages to kill zealots and all that investment into mutas will leave you with almost no ground army. Which means the zealots are just gonna kill all of your drones
@@patrickcampbell957 thanks , i year later i dont play starcraft , i slowly descended into madness and now i play league of legends , please let me out of this carnage
Oh no this is before the charge Nerf.
Harstem finally has RUclips nice
I really enjoyed this guide! But would it work in my golden league? I would definitely lost my prism and immortals at that fight
The nice thing about being in gold is everyone else you play against is also in gold so their response won't be perfect either. So yes it will work, especially with a bit of practice
What graphic is that creep looks like Joghurt man
thx for this my dude
The fact this build loses to 12 pool, means it wins roughly 50% of matches on the ladder lmao
I think every Protoss all in loses to 12 pool which sucks
@@twoweirdbros6969 You think wrong
@@GummBo3 why
@@twoweirdbros6969 Because you can just scout after placing the first gateway and react to 12 pool in time?
The reason why Harstem dies to 12 pool wasn't because he's all-in'ing, it was because he was being greedy with his eco so his all-in came faster. He scouted after gateway, nexus and cyber. That's wayyyy to late to react to 12 pool.
If you are >diamond 1 you should always just scout after making first gateway vs zerg. Having your push arrive 5 seconds earlier isn't worth losing to every 12 pool
just skip the nexus and wall first and continue as normal
excellent video. Thx
Is this build still viable?
Below masters yes
@@mattr791 Even in master it's viable if executed really proper.It's much more difficult in gm especially top gm
lol nice I can't wait to get hate messages from my opponents unironically
ALSO YOUR FIRST SUB - 420RIPJ in your chat brah
Can this hold 12 spool?
This has nothing to do with openings: opening is quite standard, only difference is faster gas. If you scout 12 pool you need faster second gate, later nexus and 2 zealots at the start.
Literally unbeatable... and then Serral.
hi from Russia
Wow fake building probes is really next level stuff...
4:50 "you hope that's engo" why tf would I use this build if all your doing is hoping...
Ehre
those graphics
Man you're fighting Vanya the Russian Proplayer in that game :D
Stupid commentary.
You ARE a proplayer.
AND YOUR FIRST LIKE ON YOUR FIRST VIDEO
o7
FIRST