It's not worth it. I finally dropped Frieza a few weeks ago and my life is better for it. Now whenever I fight Broly I have 3 people who can fight him. Have fun getting wrecked by barrier and unreactable grabs I wish you luck on your journey
So let me get this straight. You can't zone ZBroly out because he has the best ki-blasts in the game, you can't superdash his ki-blasts because of grabs in the air and ground, you can avoid ZBroly mix because he has an unreactable command grab, you can't safely jump out of certain mix because he can option select to catch you if you try to, you can't try to jab ZBroly out because he has armour on almost every move in his entire toolkit, you can't try firing beams or anything of higher priority because he could just block or charge full screen and bring you all the way to the corner for no bar, or half a bar, then possibly follow up with a level 3 that can then combo into a second level 3, and possibly kill your character all in one go. So if the ZBroly is at a high level of play I have to ask... What the fuck are you meant to do against ZBroly, then?
xManiWani -Yes his midscreen damage sucks, but he has fantastic corner carry and his lariat is literally full screen. -Isn’t sparking limit break L grab into level 3 like 60% -70% damage or something? I don’t play him so I don’t know the exact damage. Most people run Broly anchor from what I’ve seen anyhow. Still has armor on almost every hit, best neutral/zoning, ridiculous damage with lots of meter, fast grabs, high super damage, his ex lariat is basically a DP with infinite armor and full screen carry that can lead into like 80% damage. It’s also surprisingly hard to punish if you know what you’re doing, the tech in this video, etc.
Very well made and informative and easy to understand video. It is sad that the Broly nerf campaign is in full force though, as this specific option select has been a thing for him since day one since it is simply based around him having a quarter circle back special in the air but not a quarter circle forward special. But of cpurse when a character gets buffed then people will actually lab them and start complaining about things that were not even effected by the buffs. Not sure why people are surprised by big body grapplers having command grabs and being able to drop damage when they spend literally all their resources. Not saying you specifically made this video as a complaint (theres a little salt in the title tho lol) but seems like all the Broly salt in the community is coming from him being a functional big body grappler and actually being able to play like one (has grabs, armor, and drops damage when you save up every resource to spend at once). If anything Brolys actual dumbest option is still having better ki balls than zoners or neutral characters, not being a big body with grabs, thats just par for the course with his archetype.
Bro, he has a 17f grab and most of his normals are armored while also being the best zoner AND anti-zoner. Thanks to LB and the removal of fuzzies, Broly is easily top 5. He's the best character free online. The character is broken as fuck lol
@@StandardsFtw everything you listed he had from day 1 aside from removal of fuzzies. LB makes literally everyone good as the final character with bars to spend, not just Broly. As I already said, his ki balls are the thing that makes no sense on him. Not having grabs or armor or damage when you spend 7 bars and have limit break, everyone can kill in 2 level 3s with limit break.
I also think EX lariat is broken as a reversal, it’s startup is too quick for it be completely invincible(?). I agree that his zoning is stupid but the devs give most grapplers in dbfz really good neutral/zoning(baseku, dbs broly).
@@swooptydoop7943 it is not fully invincible, like all his specials the armor starts on frame 4, so it gets him out of post vanish buttons but he cant do it on tighter frame traps
I feel like Rath is very underrated, he really deserves more viewers, subscribers, etc. Great Video btw keep up the great work of explaining confusing parts of this game and generally being a great mentor at it.
I'm gonna embellish the part where he explains input priority a little. The way he explains it omits this but since DBFZ uses light button priority (takes the input from the lighter button over the heavier button), even if you could get j.M twice in the air, you would still get j.L. If DBFZ instead used heavy button priority, which is the most common priority system, the M would take priority over the L because it's the heavier button. Arcsys fighters generally use light button priority, so if multiple buttons are pressed in unison and there isn't a special move/mechanic tied to those buttons given the current state of the game (as he explains, L+M is usually DR but because you can't cancel jumping buttons into DR, L+M is just L+M) you get the lighter button of the two. You can do this with any other character that has a mashable 2L, if you do 2L > 2L+M, you end up getting 2L > 2L not 2L > 2M. Useful knowledge for other games as well since GG Strive will probably keep using light button priority and SFVI will most likely continue to use heavy button priority.
Can you think of any other characters that might have similar option selects available to them? These sorts of things are always fun to lab so I'm interested what you guys can think of!
Damn Rath, you doomed us all now. The online top tier just became gooder :D love the videos you put out. Thanks for making our isolation periods more bearable.
What a brilliant tech it’s honestly filthy,it reminds me of mk11 tech where you would jump kick in to an ability input and a down jab basically option selecting both outcomes either they get hit or not.
Hey Rath, could you make a video on how to meaty? I've been punished a lot for when my opponent iad back in the corner and they get a free combo and I would love to learn the timings
Hey Rath, is there a good way to defend against Cell’s rolling crush 50/50 after hard knockdown? I’m aware that you can OS some of cells 50/50’s by reflecting forward and then quickly reflecting backwards, and I wonder if there’s a similar way to defend against rolling crush.
The mix up for broly is good but you have to understand some characters have options that can counter he’s grabs in and out the air . Cooler , Vegeta, gogeta, have great Dp’s to counter his mix. Brolys a high tier character but depending on the level of players your facing he’s easy to read in situations In my opinion 😂😂
Broly is literally: you have no way of consistently blocking its all just up to chance eventually u will get hit, but he doesn't do THAT much damage so its balanced right haha 7 bars and limit break *exists*
I think you could also os brolys l grab in the corner setup, so when they walked under and got lvl3d and try to bait it next you could grab them instead.. does that make sense? Gonna lab it later
I tried that as well before recording this video and it definitely works! It usually loses to their walk-under buttons, but depending on the timing sometimes the L Grab wins due to the armor. It's pretty silly
"What you want to be using is the light command grab because this is definitely unreactable." Well yes, but actually no. Anything that is 16 frames or slower is technically considered reactable by the average person. That said, it is still extremely quick and difficult to react to, especially in a proper match, not to mention his barrier is cheeky and makes it a bit harder to see it coming.
@@Naruyami4 yep exactly that it's a little difficult but yep that's it see if you can set up the training recording settings just like rath to make sure it works
I can react on my good days offline. Wasn't 16f the minimum. Either way it's a combination of me waiting to see a grab animation and fuzzy jump. And yes I can sort of tell the difference between 5h and grab.
Moves aren't recognizeable on frame 1. If Broly's hand would be up there on frame 1, you would have full 17 frames to actually react to it, which is hard, but technically possible. But it takes awhile, so you don't have 17 frames or even 16 frames to react to it. It's unreactable.
I like how characters like broly and teen Gohan only having 3 special moves actually completes their previously thought incomplete kit. It's awesome how a game evolves
Broly is the most busted character , I can be safe and hit him but he can armor all day and hit me after that first hit and potentially lead into a dead character
Me as a broly main: so you haven't fought a real broly user huh? There is a reason to fear broly. A true broly user will make you contemplate life. Lol
Lol it's not that ppl react or can't react online... Lol it's that they're mashing their life away to catch that 1st possible frame when there's a gap haha my spar partner does that cause he hates broly lmao
Broly is literally: you have no way of consistently blocking its all just up to chance eventually u will get hit, but he doesn't do THAT much damage so its balanced right haha 7 bars and limit break *exists*
UI and T.Gohan don't really need to be nerfed. They're options aren't unfair or broken. Just annoying to deal with. Broly only needs to be tweaked. Take away an option or 2 and he suddenly has no reliable way of opening you up.
SpawnAmvs Maybe I‘m just a scrub, but I think UI is very well unfair. 2nd hit of autocombo has no hurtbox, as far as my experience goes, it beats backdash, wins every single clash for you, as well as every single scramble, 3rd hit is a command grab, mad damage, too many tools and he puts you in an RPS situation in his favor for trying to oki him. The list goes on. I’ve captured so many straight up unfair situations upon fighting him. It‘s outright ridiculous.
SpawnAmvs Teen Gohan‘s risk-to-reward ratio is off the roof. He gets huge reward off mashing square with minimum risk, especially online, it‘s also reflect proof, auto-wins scrambles, high damage. It‘s more than simply annoying imo
@@Orangeboy1345 I wouldnt say you're a scrub at all because you named a ton of situations that scrubs couldn't and have a very good argument against it. Most of UI's shenanigans are literally because the netcode sucks. Labbing situations against him has helped me understand that its not me sometimes but just the netcode. The 2nd hit has a hurtbox but is immune to lows so that's a thing. Multiple characters have command grabs on the 3rd hit and most of his tool are situational at best. As for T.Gohan, multiple characters have reflect proof strings and i do agree that his autocombo shouldn't be so ridiculous but thats pretty much it for me
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"I'm not calling you a lier if you say you can react the light grab, but I'm just saying I don't believe you".
Facts. Great video btw.
Que hace aquí el gran Jaorcas! Un saludo bro.
This video covers very interesting stuff about broly....but I don’t use broly so this video just made me fear him more...
Same
well you should
If your good enough you'll be fine
@@captainshiro186 will he?
@@captainshiro186 what's ”gpod enough” that's vague an everyone thinks they're good enough
Schrodinger's Broly.
Don’t show this to know kami, he’s gonna run outta shirts.
he’s gonna have to stream without the shirt 😭
Krayl 206 he’s gonna rip his skin off
When Rath accidentally has the best example of how a fuzzy jump works on YT
So do we have to just lose to broly lol
If you call it out you can jump in to backdash
But that’s unsafe giving him the option to superdash or the level 3 soo yeah unnecessary mixup.
As an aspiring Frieza player, this video upsets me immensely
It's not worth it. I finally dropped Frieza a few weeks ago and my life is better for it. Now whenever I fight Broly I have 3 people who can fight him. Have fun getting wrecked by barrier and unreactable grabs I wish you luck on your journey
Best DBFZ Video of the Year?
Man Broly tech is just constantly pumping itself into the community
1:16 I play on Japanese dub *specifically* for this laugh and this laugh only. Its so satisfying
So let me get this straight. You can't zone ZBroly out because he has the best ki-blasts in the game, you can't superdash his ki-blasts because of grabs in the air and ground, you can avoid ZBroly mix because he has an unreactable command grab, you can't safely jump out of certain mix because he can option select to catch you if you try to, you can't try to jab ZBroly out because he has armour on almost every move in his entire toolkit, you can't try firing beams or anything of higher priority because he could just block or charge full screen and bring you all the way to the corner for no bar, or half a bar, then possibly follow up with a level 3 that can then combo into a second level 3, and possibly kill your character all in one go.
So if the ZBroly is at a high level of play I have to ask... What the fuck are you meant to do against ZBroly, then?
Pray
Use super broly lol
Just cry
Use Bardock
I don't know lose i guess?
High ki damage
Fast command grabs
Can combo after lv 3 easily
Fast grab
Yup this guy is balanced.
His mid screen damage is ass
He’s meter dependent
And he gets little to no damage off his light grab
So yeah he is
@@xmaniwani3108 brolys balanced most of these people love to complain
xManiWani -Yes his midscreen damage sucks, but he has fantastic corner carry and his lariat is literally full screen.
-Isn’t sparking limit break L grab into level 3 like 60% -70% damage or something? I don’t play him so I don’t know the exact damage. Most people run Broly anchor from what I’ve seen anyhow.
Still has armor on almost every hit, best neutral/zoning, ridiculous damage with lots of meter, fast grabs, high super damage, his ex lariat is basically a DP with infinite armor and full screen carry that can lead into like 80% damage. It’s also surprisingly hard to punish if you know what you’re doing, the tech in this video, etc.
Very well made and informative and easy to understand video. It is sad that the Broly nerf campaign is in full force though, as this specific option select has been a thing for him since day one since it is simply based around him having a quarter circle back special in the air but not a quarter circle forward special. But of cpurse when a character gets buffed then people will actually lab them and start complaining about things that were not even effected by the buffs. Not sure why people are surprised by big body grapplers having command grabs and being able to drop damage when they spend literally all their resources. Not saying you specifically made this video as a complaint (theres a little salt in the title tho lol) but seems like all the Broly salt in the community is coming from him being a functional big body grappler and actually being able to play like one (has grabs, armor, and drops damage when you save up every resource to spend at once). If anything Brolys actual dumbest option is still having better ki balls than zoners or neutral characters, not being a big body with grabs, thats just par for the course with his archetype.
I totally agree with you on this,I find that people will always find something to complain about tho smh
Bro, he has a 17f grab and most of his normals are armored while also being the best zoner AND anti-zoner. Thanks to LB and the removal of fuzzies, Broly is easily top 5. He's the best character free online. The character is broken as fuck lol
@@StandardsFtw everything you listed he had from day 1 aside from removal of fuzzies. LB makes literally everyone good as the final character with bars to spend, not just Broly. As I already said, his ki balls are the thing that makes no sense on him. Not having grabs or armor or damage when you spend 7 bars and have limit break, everyone can kill in 2 level 3s with limit break.
I also think EX lariat is broken as a reversal, it’s startup is too quick for it be completely invincible(?). I agree that his zoning is stupid but the devs give most grapplers in dbfz really good neutral/zoning(baseku, dbs broly).
@@swooptydoop7943 it is not fully invincible, like all his specials the armor starts on frame 4, so it gets him out of post vanish buttons but he cant do it on tighter frame traps
Maaaan i died with the vsauce music hahahha
Bruh 😂
I feel like Rath is very underrated, he really deserves more viewers, subscribers, etc. Great Video btw keep up the great work of explaining confusing parts of this game and generally being a great mentor at it.
That VSauce intro instantly made me sub. You know my humor.
I'm gonna embellish the part where he explains input priority a little. The way he explains it omits this but since DBFZ uses light button priority (takes the input from the lighter button over the heavier button), even if you could get j.M twice in the air, you would still get j.L. If DBFZ instead used heavy button priority, which is the most common priority system, the M would take priority over the L because it's the heavier button. Arcsys fighters generally use light button priority, so if multiple buttons are pressed in unison and there isn't a special move/mechanic tied to those buttons given the current state of the game (as he explains, L+M is usually DR but because you can't cancel jumping buttons into DR, L+M is just L+M) you get the lighter button of the two. You can do this with any other character that has a mashable 2L, if you do 2L > 2L+M, you end up getting 2L > 2L not 2L > 2M. Useful knowledge for other games as well since GG Strive will probably keep using light button priority and SFVI will most likely continue to use heavy button priority.
Can you think of any other characters that might have similar option selects available to them? These sorts of things are always fun to lab so I'm interested what you guys can think of!
S broly
A17 barrier option select
Jiren has something similar where it gives you either j light combo or counter
Damn Rath, you doomed us all now. The online top tier just became gooder :D love the videos you put out. Thanks for making our isolation periods more bearable.
What a brilliant tech it’s honestly filthy,it reminds me of mk11 tech where you would jump kick in to an ability input and a down jab basically option selecting both outcomes either they get hit or not.
Amazing video thank you for blessing my afternoon😌
OS are so interesting, would love to hear you talk about more practical ones !
We call this one: the hand breaker
I heard about an option select to help between a 2H and {sd to chase; special move to continue block string if blocked}
Your videos are always sick!
You just made Broke that much more scary Rath :D I'll try to practice that grab os 💪
Hey Rath, could you make a video on how to meaty? I've been punished a lot for when my opponent iad back in the corner and they get a free combo and I would love to learn the timings
Rath has a video on sliding knockdown and it most likely goes over that
@@Jason_FGC I'll check it out thanks
I love it. Thanks for the new tech for my Broly!
Can you make a video on how to make 50/50s and how to know what is a 50/50 and what is unreactable in general?
Hey Rath, is there a good way to defend against Cell’s rolling crush 50/50 after hard knockdown? I’m aware that you can OS some of cells 50/50’s by reflecting forward and then quickly reflecting backwards, and I wonder if there’s a similar way to defend against rolling crush.
I mean I react on light command grab just have to condition yourself in reacting to frames quickly , once that hand is in the air jump
Lol
Did you already do a video on general option selects not unique to each character but just the general
Knowing me if I did any of this I'd get down heavied every time.
i usually use the tiger knee move whit broly grab , its very usefull
The mix up for broly is good but you have to understand some characters have options that can counter he’s grabs in and out the air . Cooler , Vegeta, gogeta, have great Dp’s to counter his mix.
Brolys a high tier character but depending on the level of players your facing he’s easy to read in situations
In my opinion 😂😂
Hey rath could you do a vid about counters if you do that can you teach me how to tech Broly's Grab?
Broly is literally: you have no way of consistently blocking its all just up to chance eventually u will get hit, but he doesn't do THAT much damage so its balanced right haha
7 bars and limit break *exists*
More like CORNER exist because his combo got extreme corner carry with the least amount of effort. LOL
Tech Lord Rath
Would this work with Android 16?
Edit: oh i see, it won't work because 16 has a qcf grab too
Hold my kakarot!
OOOHHHH THATS SICK
You are a goddamn wizard......
I think you could also os brolys l grab in the corner setup, so when they walked under and got lvl3d and try to bait it next you could grab them instead.. does that make sense?
Gonna lab it later
I tried that as well before recording this video and it definitely works! It usually loses to their walk-under buttons, but depending on the timing sometimes the L Grab wins due to the armor. It's pretty silly
Waiting for knowkami to use this.
Help to inderdtand better whenvi use broly online i use bardock b assit and kid buu a assit for the commands grabs when i cant break their defense
11:55 need this combo
"What you want to be using is the light command grab because this is definitely unreactable."
Well yes, but actually no. Anything that is 16 frames or slower is technically considered reactable by the average person. That said, it is still extremely quick and difficult to react to, especially in a proper match, not to mention his barrier is cheeky and makes it a bit harder to see it coming.
The music was a bit loud here imo
Yay
Nerf his zoning or nerf the command grabs
Did i just get GER'd?
I swear i saw this video before...
Wait so to do this option select, you have to input 214M while the airdash animation is happening?
yes that is all just air dash m with a quarter circle back motion
@@SaigoSakusen so its ↗️➡️ ~ ⬇️↙️⬅️ M as you are crossing up
@@Naruyami4 yep exactly that it's a little difficult but yep that's it see if you can set up the training recording settings just like rath to make sure it works
I can react on my good days offline. Wasn't 16f the minimum. Either way it's a combination of me waiting to see a grab animation and fuzzy jump. And yes I can sort of tell the difference between 5h and grab.
Moves aren't recognizeable on frame 1. If Broly's hand would be up there on frame 1, you would have full 17 frames to actually react to it, which is hard, but technically possible.
But it takes awhile, so you don't have 17 frames or even 16 frames to react to it. It's unreactable.
You just increased the Broly fanbase by 10 tenfold. LOL
I like how characters like broly and teen Gohan only having 3 special moves actually completes their previously thought incomplete kit. It's awesome how a game evolves
so... you can grab people in the air? I don't get it. Is that bad?
I wonder if you could do something interesting with tohan legs or yamcha's 214 moves
Broly is the most busted character , I can be safe and hit him but he can armor all day and hit me after that first hit and potentially lead into a dead character
Ahh yes the better broly
Me as a broly main: so you haven't fought a real broly user huh? There is a reason to fear broly. A true broly user will make you contemplate life. Lol
Oh no I hope I don’t get hit by this online lol
this is your 100th video.
It can happen to you
How tf do you count frames?
To bad I don’t have broly
this is an informative video but don't let it distract you from the fact that Z Broly is the most privileged character in the entire game
Lol it's not that ppl react or can't react online... Lol it's that they're mashing their life away to catch that 1st possible frame when there's a gap haha my spar partner does that cause he hates broly lmao
*b r u h*
The dislikes are from ppl who've been getting their asses handed to them by Broly😂
Ayyy
Well that’s big oof
..............W H A T?!?!?!?
im not calling you a liar but im also not calling you a truther
I’ve blocked Broly 17 frames grab Look at my most recent video for proof keep in mind I only have 700,000 BP
First, love ur videos!
Me gusta robar
I always saw Broly as a cheap character lol
Optional selects are cheating >:"(
Only LLLLLLLLL
do qcb m when doing a cross up with brolly to os air throw if they try to jump, there, i just saved everyone 15 minutes of their life.
I hate fighting Broly
His fun to fight against for me lol
I hate this character
I love this character
I love this character. (2)
Broly has trash air game but his ground game, techs, resets, and 7 meter is insane
Broly is literally: you have no way of consistently blocking its all just up to chance eventually u will get hit, but he doesn't do THAT much damage so its balanced right haha
7 bars and limit break *exists*
Broly, UI, Teen Gohan must be nerfed
UI and T.Gohan don't really need to be nerfed. They're options aren't unfair or broken. Just annoying to deal with.
Broly only needs to be tweaked. Take away an option or 2 and he suddenly has no reliable way of opening you up.
SpawnAmvs Maybe I‘m just a scrub, but I think UI is very well unfair.
2nd hit of autocombo has no hurtbox, as far as my experience goes, it beats backdash, wins every single clash for you, as well as every single scramble, 3rd hit is a command grab, mad damage, too many tools and he puts you in an RPS situation in his favor for trying to oki him. The list goes on. I’ve captured so many straight up unfair situations upon fighting him. It‘s outright ridiculous.
SpawnAmvs Teen Gohan‘s risk-to-reward ratio is off the roof. He gets huge reward off mashing square with minimum risk, especially online, it‘s also reflect proof, auto-wins scrambles, high damage. It‘s more than simply annoying imo
@@Orangeboy1345 I wouldnt say you're a scrub at all because you named a ton of situations that scrubs couldn't and have a very good argument against it. Most of UI's shenanigans are literally because the netcode sucks. Labbing situations against him has helped me understand that its not me sometimes but just the netcode. The 2nd hit has a hurtbox but is immune to lows so that's a thing. Multiple characters have command grabs on the 3rd hit and most of his tool are situational at best.
As for T.Gohan, multiple characters have reflect proof strings and i do agree that his autocombo shouldn't be so ridiculous but thats pretty much it for me