Sacrifice: Ritual and Myths
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2023
- Join me as we delve into the fascinating and complex world of sacrifice, and particularly human sacrifice, within Indo-European cultures in this enlightening video. We explore the multifaceted aspects of sacrifice, from its symbolic importance in restoring cosmic order and renewal to its functional role in reinforcing social cohesion and power structures.
In this journey through ancient practices, we uncover the unique relationship between sacrifice and the creation myths of Indo-European cultures. We draw parallels with the primordial beings Yemo, Ymir, Gayōmart, Yama, or Yima, and reveal how these stories intertwine with the concepts of sacrifice.
This video discusses the critical yet often overlooked perspectives on sacrifice, examining how these practices could have reinforced social hierarchies and gender roles. We also ponder the psychological impact of sacrifice on individuals involved in these rituals, and how the evolution of societies led to the decline of such practices.
Most importantly, we reflect on the altruistic aspect of self-sacrifice and its relevance in our modern world, where the quest for order and balance often demands sacrifices of a different kind.
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I would like to thank my dear friend @Crowhag for her contribution regarding the topic of sacrifice in Thracian culture.
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In my readings of the early Roman empire, I was struck that before Julius Caesar, gladiators seem to have only been used at funeral celebrations. Of course, that did change, but I always wondered if gladiatorial combat was a long forgotten funeral sacrifice. Romans themselves often said that they had rituals that they didn't know the origin of, or even the purpose of, so I could see that this might be one of those things.
That’s a very interesting thought, and I one I shall try and look into. Thank you for sharing it.
I have read that it came from an Etruscan tradition to have men fight to the death at the funerals of nobles and the Romans considered it a form of human sacrifice. Regular gladiatorial games as parts of festivals in Rome was a regular occurrence long before Caesar's time, he was just known for putting on the most extravagant gladiatorial games up to his day. One must also remember that most gladiatorial fights in Rome were not to the death, that is a reflection of modern popular culture propagated by Hollywood.
@@Crecganford Thought it was accepted gladiatorial games derived directly from funerary practices. Are you sure they're wrong to say important captives were "ritually sacrificed"?
@@Crecganford I don't think forced Roman hand to hand combat equates to funeral practices. As you said. Rig older than Gilgemsh, yet thats where sacrifice was copied by the Abrhamic. I'm so excited to hear what you'll teach us next. Thank You.
@@Crecganford oh goody! You're going to tell us about the Horse Phallis sacfice, I heard that was practiced by a sect derived from Roman/Christian sect/tribes?
Great video. The idea that you had to SEND someone to tell the gods what is needed is strange to me. Then I thought: How would this sacrificed person KNOW what everyone needs? Sure, they know what their closest friends and family need, but what about those in the village they DON'T know well? Those others would need to give the man to be sacrificed a list. A gift list.... Then he would hopefully check it twice and compare it to who has been naughty and nice.... then the sacrificed man, all in red now from blood, disappears to talk to the gods and only later, invisibly, return to give all the right gifts to all the right people. After that, he again disappears into the sky.... until the next list be needed... hohoho.
I like the mushroom analogy better, but this is a close second. well done!
My introduction to the term “soma” was from Huxley’s “Brave New World”. Nice to learn the noun has a very deep historical meaning. As with every aspect of Huxley’s society, soma lost any spiritual connotation and is just a ubiquitous mind altering drug.
Huxley was a member of Fabian Society (Burgoise-Communists philosophers of NWO) so it's very possible he wanted to taint the term Soma.
I had a very different introduction to the term "Soma," but it's led to me hearing a few Brave New World references over the course of my life ;P
It was Terrance McKenna for me but he always gave good references to where he read or heard about the concepts he talked about.
Soma was alcoholic drinks of indo Iranians
@@SomasAcademy I broke hella shit on modern soma lmao
Thank you for sacrificing your time to produce this excellent video and sharing your wealth of knowledge with us.
Very pleased with your delivery on the Dacian Sacrifice of the Messenger, Jon. As always, a deeply insightful video!
And thank you for your help, you are a dear friend, and have exceptional knowledge of the Dacians.
@@Crecganford Thank you likewise, my dear friend!
I like your videos, this one got very Basie and difficult to equalize out
I'm sorry about that, but thank you for your feedback and I will look to fix this in future.
@@Crecganford it was a minimal complaint I very much enjoy your presentation.
Man, there are a few yotubers I passionately follow, but none of them makes me prepare a cup of tea, put it on the table, then start the video and wait for the magic words😂
Thank you for those kind words.
Recently archeologists have found the remains of human sacrifices to Zeus on a mountain top in Greece. The Rpmans usec to sacrifice defeated enemy military leaders eg Vercingetorix to Jupiter Capitlna. Human sacrifice is part of the bedrock of our civilisation too.
Yes, I do want to look into the Greek sacrifices more in the future, and the top of the mountains is a good place to start.
@@Crecganford I got the information on a RUclips site called origins explained in a video entitled "Discoveries of Forbidden History". It names the archeologist in charge of the dig if you want verification. Greek civilisation would be a fascinating subject, especially as its origins seem to lie in what is now the Ukraine and Southern Russia.
@@RichardChave-xl9yw I was about to comment too about the human remains of the mount Lykaion.
I was wondering how could I contact this guy to ask him to talk about this.
Thnx
Interestingly enough, there's a good argument that the Romans actually performed human sacrifice too, despite their distaste for the Germanics' and other barbarians' sacrificial practices.
The Roman triumph involved prisoners of war, often enemy leaders, who were processioned through the city and concluded at the temple of Jupiter Maximus. Here, the prisoners were executed. So. A ritualized procession after a great military victory, involving an honored military leader wearing the drapes of a king, his enemies totally-not-sacrificed at the temple of the highest deity.
Doesn’t matter what religious or cultural significance human sacrifice has, it’s evil and monstrous, and should be universally condemned. No exceptions.
Sacrifice had, past tense, no one's condoning it, can't pretend it never happened.
@@margaretwebster2516 True. I have no problem with acknowledging atrocities, so long as we don't try to justify them.
I must account for a truly ridiculous number of views on this video by now because I keep playing it in the background as I'm going to sleep (I find your voice very soothing) but I always fall asleep too quickly and I want to learn more so I play it again the next night. The cycle continues 😄
I’m ready and willing to be highly uncomfortable. Love the channel and keep up the great work❤
Thank you.
Очень жду субтитры на русском, чтобы в полном смысле понять, о чем говорится в ролике. Но ставлю лайк заранее, ибо Crecganford делает то, что мне нравится!
I often use the RUclips captions with auto translate to watch Russian content. They are far from perfect and there are many obvious errors but it's good enough to follow what is being said.
@@disband_thebbc5933 thanks
When I hear about tactics in modern wars like drafting people to be used in human-wave attacks or as human-shields, one wonders if human sacrifice every really went away.
Honestly no. Heck Christianity is centered around a human sacrifice. To say nothing of executions...
@kipp kipper some have described the Russian tactics in Ukraine that way.
@@jakeaurod ex-criminal squaddies apparently, so not really human
Human nature doesn't change
@@davidrogers8030 talking about (ex-)criminals in this way tells me you know nothing of the crucial role for (young adult male) outlaws in proto indo European culture which makes me wonder what you have been doing here
And welcome.... to Cracganford. .... kind of epic 😁😎😎
As a former marketing undergraduate who learned something there, I suggest that you could use the words 'Mesopotamian', 'Babylonian', 'Phoenician', 'Ancient Israelite', be it in the title or as hashtags at the description of your Near Eastern videos, to attract more views! Those words seem to have strong appeal in streaming services.
They also attract the aluhat people
Thank you for teaching this despite all the christians out there telling you to stop because it's 'dehumanizing'. That's such a 'load of nonsense. Knowledge is power and those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. I think we need to learn the how and why so that we can better understand our psychology as humans and better limit our dark side.
Another great and informative video as always! Your work is greatly appreciated and I'm looking forward to the Slavic themed video in the future.
Another excellent video.awesome knowledge my friend.really enjoyed it
Whoa just saw it, going to grab my cup of tea!
Fascinating subject, appreciate the time and dedication that went into producing this.
Thank you so much for your kind words, they are appreciated.
Many thanks for the new great video. Like still super interesting and a true pleasure to listen and learn more.
This speaks directly to the roots of our oldest instincts! Killing a fellow human, be it for the purpose of war, personal conflict or gain, or religion... was a normal thing for our early forbearers. So killing might be in our genes?
Look up Pan Paniscus (Bonobo) and think about if they were our basal ancestors instead of Pan Troglodytes (Chimps).
Bonobos also practice racism and segregates any mixed babies into a zone in between the 2 tribes. It's so unreal to see, if you can find a documentary to watch of them I would highly recommend you do.
@kipp kipper i totally agree but we would call it racism.
@@rosiehawtrey This is a very valid and nessessary argument in this discussion. First of, chimps are our evolutionary cousins. There's no direct lineage. We share a common ancestor. But in chimps and in homonids the inclination towards violence is clear. In bonobos it seems to be lacking totally! Why? How? That are questions we need to answer in order to understand what violence entails. Furthermore, although being gifted with violence we've also proven we can go more bonobo. We have a plight to ourselves to find out what's what. But we never may underestimate the strenght of an evolutionary inheritence.
@kipp kipper and what do you think are the roots of racism? It is them and us, eh?
Such interesting stuff. I'd really love to see a children's book full of indo european myths
Not sure much of this would be considered suitable for children, given how society's values have developed over the thousands of years since.
@@bec5250 And filtering out the more frightening aspects would leave children with an unrealistically benign image of Indo-European culture. That said, I suppose this is how fairy tales were generated which, having been progressively edited over the last couple of centuries, now we have the Disney versions.
The Grimm brothers wrote them down
@@urbandiscount the witch will follow your breadcrumbs to the oven and don’t go into the woods alone little red. Morals of the stories you speak of.
Get Neil Gaiman to write it
Fascinating
So fascinating. Thank you for producing this amazing content ✌️💕🌻
And thank you so much for watching it as well.
The practice of women immolating themselves upon the funeral pyre of their dead husbands seems to have been a widespread form of self sacrifice from ancient times. Though popularly associated with India it has also been observed by Arab travellers among the Norse, and Russian epic poetry indicates it was also known among the Slavs.
Do a talk on what is that little pocket book we see figures holding in so many ancient figures all over the ancient world.
Thank you so much for all your research, the quotes... this video is great!
Thank you.
The Morgan Freeman Havamal reading was a bit off-putting haha. Great vid as always!
"Can you imagine..." Nowdays human sacrifice is on mass scales, perpetrated by nation-states, for the acquisition of land, capital, and geopolitical power. And we consider our current world superior and more "civilized"...
You should write a book about comparative mythology and themes/myths you have talked about here - id buy it ❤
Thank yiu. I am writing such a book which should be out next year.
No please don't let him do that
I'll buy it too for sure!
The only BUT i would say about your video is the fact because of your strong indo-european accent not let you see others cultures like the aztecs, mayan or the human head hunters of Borneo just for example. They don't see to had that kind of social problems with the sacrifice of humans beings but is interesting to see or consider like the human sacrifice is something common in the human culture wich in completely different to the fact to eat human flesh. But also the only idea of killing human being can be used againts your enemies in and effort to diminished or underrated if not remember how the romans used to use certains religious practices of the carthaginians people to justify theirs wars against Carthage.
Yes, my studies and research are Indo-European focused, and so in my next video I will explain why the Indo-Europeans sacrificed.
What is the connection between Neptune, Lord of the Ocean, and earthquakes?
He would strike the earth with his trident, and this is what caused earthquakes.
Neptune, though his Greek counterpart Poseidon, was known as 'The Earth Shaker'. The people believed that the land floated on the ocean, so the ocean god could easily shake the land.
Tsunamis connect them.
In Japan it’s a large fish that wiggles in the ocean that causes earthquakes
Blot doesn’t mean blood. It’s derived from a word meaning worship or sacrifice.
Blood in Old Norse is blóð, from Proto-Germanic *blōþą (“blood”), cognate with English blood, German Blut.
Thanks!
Thank you for your support, it is very much appreciated.
Had been hoping to hear you weave in Bataille's ideas about sacrifice & the accursed share. Disappointed to hear Eliade instead (the obvious reason) but maybe we'll have a follow-up that deals with Bataille's philosophy.
I will talk about specific sacrifices in the future, as there is only so much I could cover in one video considering time constraints. I’ll make sure Bataille’s is within those future videos.
Just a small, trivial, correction. It's "português" not "portugues" for the language in the subtitles. And it would be cool to distinguish between brazilian portuguese and "portugal" portuguese. Great video regardless, love this channel!
Thank you for your feedback.
br > pt
Excellent story again! How many years of study went into this, I wonder..
I have done a lot of the independent research in order to understand the origin and meaning of sacrifice. The myth of Prajapati feeding the created world with his own substance is indeed the heart of the matter in my opinion.
And animal sacrifices were also about food and offering of gratitude among people.
The twisting of these principles into the idea of atonement and punishment is the root of politics, however, and the corruption of religion with the ironic and poisonous idea that humanity is depraved by nature, and thus requires blood offerings to earn forgiveness and presence. The corruption of the world by the culture of corruption.
This has been quite lovely and enlightening as usual. Do you have Patreon?
I do, it's called Crecganford.
Odin also sacrifices (or barters) one of his eyes to Mimer in exchange for knowledge
The hanging of arms from trees by the Goths may have some relation to the story of Beowulf hanging up Grendel's arm up in English tradition. The Scythians also sacrificed arms to their war god, who was represented by a sword, while the Irish Nuada was one armed and had a sword which could cut through anything.
The arm, or any part of the torso, is representative of a warrior within Indo-European tradition. And so removing part of the torso indicates you are removing the ability for that figure to be a warrior.
'Altruistic nature of sacrifice: one can offer oneself for sacrifice to restore order to one's realm.' 👍
June 21st 2008 hospital sacrificed my dad.
Getting Morgan Freeman to read the Poetic Edda was a genius move.
Thank you!
"It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest I go to than I have ever known." - Tale of Two Cities, re secret substitute for execution
So we know that human sacrifice was widespread through many cultures, not just PIE cultures (e.g. Aztec culture). Do they have a common origin, or were these parallel developments, that were independent?
My expertise is less for other cultures, however I will try and investigate these in time.
Very much independent. In the pacific although Micronesians and Polynesians traded and had similar language structures sometimes one side practiced human sacrifice (namely Hawaiians) and Cannibalism (Fijians). We don’t practice any of that in Micronesian cultures and I think it’s due in part that we were mixed in with this Lapita culture which was a more gentle culture you could say.
But if the arguments from some people are true, the Polynesians had contact with South America. And it was supposedly evident thru a certain species of Potato and Chicken which are native to South America and were widespread before Columbus time. There might have been a transmission of culture therefore possibly drawing a parallel development. Which explains why Polynesians practiced human sacrifice and Micronesians don’t.
This brings into question the Romans' alleged disgust that the British conducted human sacrifice.
They had likely abandoned this practice by that point. Similar thing happened when Persians reached Greece and Egypt.
@@mohammedfarahmand7809 as I suspected. A difference of only a few generations, yet suddenly oh so important!
Culture wars! 😆
@@mohammedfarahmand7809 No, they hadn't. It was an established part of the Roman triumph, but the Romans didn't really think about it as human sacrifice. This is a bit of a pattern of human civilizations, where outside groups are condemned for things that are actually fairly established parts of the culture doing the condemning, but it is so deeply entrenched and often ritualized, that members of the ingroup don't even think about it as such. Consider early modern Europeans and their disgust at cannibalistic practices in Africa, Polynesia, South America... all the while ritualistically consuming the blood and flesh of their saviour figure and having widespread practices of medical cannibalism (drinking the blood of executed prisoners or consuming Egyptian mummies as medicine was common in Europe until the beginning of the 20th century)
The human sacrifices of the Romans had been regularized and hidden away, like the King of the Golden Bough, who kept his station so long as he could kill any challenger, or the gladiators, who started as a Etruscan funeral rite of sacrificing one of the two slave fighters for upper class funerals.
@@olenickel6013well noted! Thanks! 😊
❤
Talk about shooting the Messenger!
Shamash, Ninurta, Bull of Heaven and Ishtar . . . the Epic o G is a story. But it is also a story about gods and constellations. Could that be considered religious?
From an academic point of view it is a myth, and myths talk about gods, but it doesn’t mean it is religious. For example, look at the Iliad or the Odyssey, both talk of gods, neither are considered religious texts.
Even in the Bible, there are frequent references to human sacrifice. Abraham and Isaac. Israel backs off from a siege after the enemy's king offers his own son as a human sacrifice on the walls. A victorious judge of Israel had promised to sacrifice the first being he sees coming home, and it is his own daughter. The daughter was allowed to roam the hills a bit before her sacrifice, and there was a ritual day in her honor afterwards.
I think ive heard you mention before that ancient peoples served the gods because the gods were malevalent -- where can I find more resources on this, and does sacrifice tie into the bodily needs of the gods, as ancient near eastern people saw?
This is based on the etymology of the words, and so I would recommend Anatoly Liberman's work on the wild hunt being a great starting point on this. Although I have always thought about producing a video about this, perhaps I should.
@Crecganford please do!! I mentioned this point in one of my videos, and people were asking for sources. Id love a deeper exposition. Thanks!
@Crecganford unfortunately, it seems that Liberman's book is out of print. Cant seem to get ahold of it anywhere. Im assuming you're referring to his "In Prayer and Laughter". This is where he discusses the gods being malevolent?
did they do the bull sacrifice in Spartacus too?
@Crecganford oh goody! You're going to tell us about the Horse Phallis sacfice, I heard that was practiced by a sect derived from Roman/Christian sect?
This video does talk about that, but in non-graphic terms
Kudos on getting Morgan Freeman to narrate Odin!
Not just human sacrifice, but cannibalism of the sacrificed bodies. If one reads The story of Cain and Abel in Genesis 4 in an esoteric way, Cain killed Abel because Abel sacrificed his own son (son ow in Hebrew; which translators render as "of his flock" and other such words). The movie Doomsday with Rona Mitra had a vivid scene of the survivors roasting one of Rona's soldiers and sharing his cook flesh among the crowd. Europeans and Americans for centuries burned people at the stake, another form of human sacrifice. Did they eat the offerings? Who knows, not me.
You mentioned the sacrifice of "every living thing that is male" and then illustrated it with nine bulls, nine rams and nine mares ... mares are female. Didn't you mean "nine stallions?" Other than that minor quibble, you present a very interesting video.
Good spot, you should make yourself a cup of tea to celebrate.
I've been wondering if animal sacrifice came from a need to cull a herd. When winter in coming and the herd of cows, pigs, or sheep were too large, there wouldn't be enough grass for the herd in the winter months, so they kill some of the animals, the remaining would have enough food. Over time this act became a religious practice, a way of giving the gods something in the hopes the gods would give the people a mild winter. Then the tradition spread to other times of the year for, sacrificing to gain other things and eventually people would be sacrificed out of desperation.
I think there was some of this going on, certainly in sense to kill surplus animals at particular times, which would in turn feed a feast.
Death in battle is called "sacrifice" and it seemed to be only a metaphor. Perhaps not. Traditionally only males are sent to fight on battlefields and with animals kept for their meat the males are 'culled" before winter to reduce the herd. Infertile females are 'culled' also during the year, from what I have read.
On Norse Magic and Religion RUclips channel there is a segment on execution by hanging as a way to contact the Spirit World, and he said there were sometimes volunteers for this type of offering.
I once witnessed a Buddhist ceremony where toy-sized "animals" were assembled from vegetables like carrots and marrows, radishes and things like that and these were put on a decorated raft on an ocean beach where the ceremony was held. The officiant asked us to remember a person close to us who died that year and we spoke in turn, giving that person's name, the raft was carried to the ocean's edge and a young man waded into the water, pushed the raft past the surf and swam out some distance with it so the current would take it. This was sometime during a Northern Hemisphere summer.
The Native American Sundance ceremony done by a number of Western USA tribes
traditionally involves men who pierce their chests with skewers and the skewers are attached to some kind of twine attached to a central pole and pulled until the men are on the tips of their toes and there they stay for hours or more.. This is also in summer. You could call it a blood sacrifice. One author, John (Fire) Lame Deer, said the men are not pierced as deeply as in the past because they have jobs and the men cannot take time off from work. Curiously, despite the poverty, alcohol abuse and everything else, one elder from that tribe who was interviewed was optimistic. He said their population was increasing.
This practice might have started with animal sacrifice, but, as anyone who watched The Wicker Man knows, sometimes an animal sacrifice won't placate the gods and only a human will suffice.
@kipp kipper I didn't assume it was purely for piratical reasons, I was wanderig it started for practical reasons before becoming religious and moving beyond practicality.
@kipp kipper That's what go the idea in my head. Animals were valuable so killing one as a sacrifice to a god seemed so impractical and financially harmful to a farmer, but if they were going to have to kill them anyway why not use them to get favor from the gods. Of course not all sacrifice would have any practical value. Tradition and desperation would have led to (and still do) people making impractical decisions.
Is there any hint that our closest cousins such as Denisovans or Neanderthals practiced sacrifice?
Have you ever ever thought doing videos on Elder scrolls lore ? Maybe as a side thing?
Yes, I would love to cover this and other popular culture, to describe its influence. So I hope in the coming months I can start making videos about these.
It says a lot a species when said species turns sacred and ritualises what is purely death, killing and suffering.
You often talk about the effect of living experience influencing the mythology (particularly dominating your coverage of Australia). It seems unlikely that we would just make up the central facts of the central myth to explain how the world came to be with no connection to our reality. Were a bunch of folks sitting round the fire telling stories to pass the time and THIS fiction was so impressive it was carried around the world? Seems unlikely. I have no concept or guess about what this reality would be, but am most curious.
Ŕg-veda
As if suttee were not a human sacrifice 😮
Ţara fără batrâni. 32:13
The Aztec didn't seem to mind.
Sati is not a human sacrifice. If you want cognates of human sacrifice in the Indian religions, look for the coconut
What time line are you living in that there is no human or animal sacrfice????
No mention of Alken Enge when talking of Germanic sacrifice? An entire warband sacrificed.
I will talk about specific sacrifices in future videos, this is an introduction into the practice.
@@Crecganford Alken Enge is so very interesting, especially as it is only seven or so km from Illerup Ådal. And *not* the army that carried the weapons found there.
That thumbnail's giving me Yellowjackets vibes
I can see that now!
Thanks for the cat video.
You’re welcome, I hope people found it happy.
Have feeling they still practice today
Your hands are kinda hypnotizing.
~33:18 I don't see reason to assume that it was Asian influence as opposed to coincidental similarity, there's a lot of space between Southeast Asia and Europe, and sacrificing someone to send a message to the gods isn't such a complex concept that it couldn't have developed twice (or more than twice, in the Andes they had the same practice).
There was no assumption there, and I do reference the academia that supports this view.
@@Crecganford I don't mean an assumption on your part, but the suggestion of the academia you reference. Though of course, there could be extra context behind that view which I'm not familiar with, I'm just going off of what you say in your video.
It still goes on, ask the bohemian grove
You could also have added Isaac and Abraham.
Remember, they don't do human sacrifice though, the Supreme Being forbids it
@@urbandiscount Jephthah and his daughter then.
Funny-lee enuff i can imagine that
They do them all over the place these days, esp in Canada!
After the last few years, I'd suggest that we give the whole sacrifice to the gods thing another go! 😂
sure, you first!
Ive heard some authors aren't legit. Can you go over who Snorri is and how he has any right to tell the history of a people and land he isn't from? Ive heard he was paid handsomely for his outlandish stories.
I can make a short video about this, or perhaps include it in a book review/recommendation video. Thank you for the feedback.
@@CrecganfordWonderful idea 😊👍
Sorry, but everybody is missing the appearance aspect. Sacrifices, human or animal, are beautiful or flawless. Or tough guys. (Self-sacrifice, who knows?) Even when there is no religious component, recreational killers certainly tend to chose attractive victims.
Is there a reason not to attend to vegetable sacrifice in this context?
I guess you could consider Soma as a kind of vegetable sacrifice.
Usually, in agricultural societies, people or animals are sacrificed IN ORDER that we may attain more vegetables, so I guess that sacrificing the occasional potato would be it’s a downstream thing from that with it’s own set of motivations … that said I have been known to nail the odd legume to a cross from time to time, for no reason in particular …
@@Crecganford No it isn't. It ISN"t a sacrifice. Jeez.
Ordo ab chao....
The S with a little squiggly under it in "Purusu" represents a "sh" sound, so it should be pronounced "Purusha"
The pronunciation depends on its placing within a word.
Sounds like every religion
for Indoeuropeans it is a cup of raw milk 😉 (with blood optionally)
Do christians realize that the high point of their religion was
A SACRIFICE of a supposed son of an old world god
Most of them don't even know that their god started as a war/storm god amongst a pantheon of other gods.
Amazingly, that is discussed in most weekly services (except that the Trinity are not limited to the Old World).
People hate on Abrahamic religions but at least they don't sacrifice people. (Fair enough they have committed and are committing atrocities, but they are more geopolitical than anything).
I think we like to forget that if we didn't have the Abrahamic religions we wouldn't be living in this world we live in today, which despite its problems is 1,000 times better than what we'd have under sacrificial pagan religions.
This is coming from someone who does not have a religion.
People look at our old religions through rose tinted glasses and from a very romanticised standpoint.
*just my opinion.
So you're telling me Jesus being crucified isn't human sacrifice? And that's before we start looking at the god of the old testament and his atrocities.
Cows were scarificed in rigvedic period!
Jesus is the epitome of Human Sacrifice✝️🙏🏼
Even though God knew he was going to come back to life?
@@Crecganford sure
I believe you are wrong including Muzio Scevola in your list of examples.
You talk about entities, humans or gods who gave something in order to gain something else, arguably more valuable.
Muzio Scevola burn his hand as a punishment not a sacrifice.
Muzio Scevola is a roman hero sent in a mission to kill king Porsenna, he fails, is captured and questioned by the king in order to extract informations. He impress the enemies by puttng his right hand on the fire as a punishment to the hand for having failed the mission. Is just one of many virtuos exemples of roman heroes (Orazio Coclite, consul Attilio Regulus, etc)
He plunged his hand into the fire to prove that he wasn't afraid of being tortured to death and told Lars Persona that he was just the first of 1000 Roman youths that had pledged to attempt to assassinate him.
Remember to live vegan and help stop the animal-holocaust.
The most prevalent human sacrifice to please (a) God - albeit a (not so) symbolic sacrifice - that is still practiced on millions of helpless children today is circumcision.
No es un sacrificio: es un acto relacionado con higiene sexual, disfrazado de costumbre religiosa identificativa de un pueblo, para que la costumbre perdure.
The child doesn't die. Don't muddy the waters
@@urbandiscount that's the point of it being symbolic. you no longer sacrifice the whole human but "just" a part of them. however, not so symbolic since people still cut off other people's body parts without their consent.
Circumcision became prevalent in 19th century America because Christians erroneously believe that masturbation is a sin and when parents saw their infant sons discovering their penises they were worried that if they died, infant mortality being common at the time, they would go to hell. So doctors began circumcising infants because they believed that the removal of the foreskin would make the penis less sensitive and prevent the child from fondling himself.
Old and newer religions have always caused the death of humans and animals so the act is not vanished at all just in different ways and the motives evolved or devolved.
To end human life on purpose is always an act kin to murder/genocide regardless the reason. If the reason is connected to religion it is even worse as it is just pure evil so the myth of "holy war" or sacrifice could be justified is just sad. Most genocide are often "excused" with the help of religion. You are free to disagree but my point is that it is not better or worse today than back in history so we cannot pat ourselves on our backs that we are better today.
Can you imagine... the Ukraine war?
I was thinking this. Let us watch who takes those fertile lands when the killing is over.
I reject the anti-morality of human sacrifice. I suggest you run from anyone proposing man is at his most heroic when he's everyone else's victim. No matter how compelling a myth with that at its center is, *if it's not iconoclastic of it*, it's trash.
Your religion, if it features human sacrifice as an act of virtue, is shit. Such a thing does not come from wisdom and knowledge of the sacred, but rather from the crafty, devious human minds plotting your absolute subjugation.
To tie this back to things people are buzzing about in the present day... I keep hearing this idea from supposed "trads" and conservatives and manosphere grifters, that a man highest virtue is self-sacrifice. These people are propagators of the [im]morality of subjugation.
"But you won't think that way when you have kids. You'll see."
No. A man caring for himself, only one step removed, is not sacrifice. It's a deeply selfish and proud thing. You may have it twisted in your own mind for one reason or another, but I call a spade a spade.
I notice that you make an effort to distance White people from the vile things that other peoples may have done, or have done, and if the Europeans did any of these, you say it comes from non Europeans.
What? Not at all, I do not care what skin colour, hair colour, eye colour someone has, it servers no purpose to mythology.
@@Crecganford, really???!!!! Indo-European means not exclusively European, meaning that you are using cultures of which Europe invaded as the primary source of human sacrifice, and that it filtered into European societies, you don't want it to be that human sacrifice in Europe was solely based on European belief in human sacrifice. That is dishonest.
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Again, "indo-european cultures", there's no such thing. Thank you
Again, there absolutely is, I teach about them.
cope and seethe you delusional anti-white
@@TrueNativeScot " you delusional anti-white"
In Christianity God comes down to earth and sacrifices himself, and than still people opt for Pagan BS
No he doesn’t, at no point does Jesus say he was God, and to call any non-Christian religion BS is incredibly ignorant if you are coming at it from an Abrahamic perspective.
@@Crecganford The entire passion and crucifixion of Jesus revolves around him stating that he is: "I AM". Read the gospels again if you have any doubts.
All other religions are necessarily BS if Jesus is God.
Paganism is simply dogs returning to their own vomit. It just is what it is.
But you have free will, so you can walk behind Gods that are destined for the abyss, everything is already fixed no amount of drinking mede and chasing wenches cosplaying or re-eenactment and listen to throat gurgling bands will change that.
Calling other religions pagan, as if christianity is special and unique, is idiotic. There is nothing special about judaism and christianity, they’re just as untrue.
Umm, there's so much wrong in that 18 words, one comma, and a spelling mistake I'm not going to start. But just so you know Christianity could be considered triple distilled Oak Aged for 2000 years Pagan BS, it's just a bad remake. Think the religious Disney Star Wars
@@rosiehawtrey enjoy your vomit... And your cosplay
Do not use """indo-europeans""", say ARYANS instead, because """indo-europeans""" implies Europeans originated on India thus we must accept forced mass immigration.
Indo-European does not imply that, not from an academic stand point, and Aryan is used to describe Indo-Iranians.
@@Crecganford "academia" is mostly an anti White hive, good sire.
It only SEEMS to imply that if you are ignorant of history.
Educate yourself.
Yeah, Aryans also has "connotations". They're the peoples kicking around the Zagros if I recall, proto Persians/Iranians.
@@kellydalstok8900 it implies you like to ignore tht academia couldn't care less for history than cares for virtue signalling points. Educate yourelf on street wise.
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Can I imagine human sacrifice? Like jesus? NOPE. He never existed. Not a god, not a son, not aprophet, not a guru, not a regular guy. There was NO baby jesus.
@kippkipper4126 ALL the myths were made up. No chance THAT is the only true one.