FSD must be pushed to the limits, if we are to trust it. FSD can easily drive on a deserted freeway in Montana for hours, with no interventions. But most people live in big cities, or near to big cities.
'Intense city scenarios' is just where FSD has the most problems. And not just in Chicago. FSD also struggles in New York City, Toronto, Los Angeles, and San Jose California too. FSD has problems with speed bumps, 5 miles away from Tesla world headquarters in Fremont California!
@@iano4027 FSD is not improving at a fast clip, the latest version 12.4.3 still makes all kinds of egregious errors on challenging drives. A human driver can go for years without an incident. FSD requires 100 percent human supervision at all times. That is not what people paid for .
mmm, ok. ur comments will not age well. yes, supervision required while its making progress toward later stages of dev. the rate of progress is stunning.
@@iano4027 The rate of progress is certainly NOT stunning. Are you serious? Today, the very latest FSD cannot even go in *reverse* . It cannot see and avoid potholes or roadkill in broad daylight. It still routinely misses speed bumps, and fails to slow down for them. FSD often exceeds the posted Speed Limit. Unprotected Left turns are often a problem on busy streets. I could go on and on .
There I was munching on a rather good cheeseburger while watching your video and then BAM theres my name on the screen. and you are talking about me. how strange it was. Its easy to support your show. I can tell you are doing your best to put out good content in your own style. I thank you back.
5:02 it shows once again, that FSD doesn't get actual map data fed in, but a view of the map with the route highlighted. Thus it interpreted this as kind of a right U-turn maneuver of some kind - as there's no direction marked on the blue path of the navigation route this sometimes happens. It sometimes thinks right U-Turns actually go left and do a U-turn in the wrong direction ;D
Whole Mars videos can just be summed up with ... 'Everything is great, nothing is wrong, just buy everything Tesla.'... and just repeat that for every video
Didn’t see last video but the merge wasn’t FSD messing up. Two cars tried to merge at same time. It happens all the time. It’s FSD not future prediction software. It doesn’t control other drivers. Then it did the right thing to not have an accident. That should be celebrated.
Wish I could test it out here in rural Texas; all I see are tests all over California, Chicago of course with you, and no use results for those of us out here in smaller towns, Hill country of TX, etc.
Maybe you could put on some sign(s) that says you are testing self driving, sorry for possible delays or something. That would maybe avoid other drivers to act calmly and not honk. Hopefully, though, they will not change their natural driving too much around you.
3:45 it actually just went right, with the left turn still loaded in the navigation, as the new navigation route wasn't yet loaded. NHTSA requires it to turn right in such situations, that's why it doesn't matter. :)
but but but Omar said he drives for 90 minutes with only a press of the accelerator, surely hes not wrong :):) really enjoying your well balanced and honest demonstration, i feel like i have a more true picture of where we are really at.
I'm pretty sure WMC has HW4 (if not something special for cars with discrete GPUs). This is an older car with USS and HW3. It should not matter all that much, but maybe it does.
@@vaddimka as far as i know it doesnt as hw4 is still running in simulation mode. uss are ignored also. maybe its the avoidance of certain area types :) even with a random gps destination, if you dont go downtown where the trouble is, you aint gunna find trouble.
@@MagivaIT Yeah, in WMC videos he rarely uses multi-lane streets, which is also one of the weak spots for FSD right now. I disagree about "no trouble outside downtown", I have to disengage frequently because it just doesn't behave the way I want it to behave, even in basic stop and go traffic.
Great video. This really shows that Tesla needs to do their own mapping and ditch google maps. All of my issues with FSD have been related to google map and routing issues. There are some speedbump speed signs in my neighborhood that do not show up in google maps for me and the car does not even recognize or show them in the visualizations. I love FSD for my situation and there are some limitations but I am sad to say that RoboTaxi level FSD still has a lot of work. It would be great if they deployed in a few cities first and got it perfected and address all the edge cases and limitations in those high density areas first. Prove it can be awesome in areas where Robotaxi FSD will be highly utilized.
5:00: Oof, that's big-bad. Doesn't matter if it was due to changing route mid-drive. That's something robotaxi needs to be able to do. 8:40: I'm always impressed by this behavior. 11:15: Yeah, that's excellent! The lack of hesitation is night-and-day compared to what it used to be (and might still be, in some cases). And I recognize that free victory tune xD 14:05: I don't think you waited long enough to conclude it would have missed the turn. It couldn't turn through the pedestrians, obviously... Though the path-planner definitely wasn't clear. 16:25: That one was definitely not necessary, though I can see why you did it. Not a bad drive but definitely not good enough for robotaxi yet. Disengagements will need to be much less frequent.
You should add changing the waypoint to your battery of tests. It is a valid use case for both individual users and robotaxis. The car should be able to do it safely.
Nice ride. Thanks for sharing. 13:54 - I don't get why you disengage here. FSD is clearly waiting for pedestrians. It does not go forward, it intends to turn right. You motivate it by the past cases? But you said a few times that FSD behaves differently sometimes. So why not waiting for FSD on the test run? I could maybe understand it if you were rushing to work, but here? You either test FSD or disengage it, proclaiming it would behave in a certain way. Seemed much premature.
No, the car is not clearly waiting for pedestrians, the car is constantly creeping forward to the point it was about to miss the turn. If you look at the zebra crossing lines (not sure it’s the correct term, English is not my native language), you can see the car going forward.
@@brunosco Ah, I think I see it, constant 3 MPH. It was hard to see the creeping on the video. That is strange. Still would love to see what would happen. Would it just stop or try to turn anyway? Or maybe continue forward?
@@Kaipiso Strange indeed. And like you, I wanted to see it do its thing and see what it would have done. It didn’t seem to be a critical disengagement at this point.
Nice video and commentary. Question: my FSD ignores the highway off-ramp speed signs that's causing very risky situations - like flying into 30mph off-ramp with 70 mph speed. Do you observe anything like this?
Robotaxi can continually get better, using the corner cases pouring in from all the eternally L3 only FSD fleet, because it uses the same camera locations. But if you need to experience L4 autonomy, pay for a Robotaxi ride, that simple👈😂. All those still using L3 FSD deserve some Robotaxi credits though🤞❤👍
I am getting sick and tired of watching these New - No Name RUclipsrs getting the latest upgrade to FSD that I have been waiting for over 3 upgrades and I have not received .. and I was one of the original subscribers to FSD in 2019. I hope Tesla see this -- !!!!!
Sorry you haven't gotten it yet! My channel is still small, sadly, but I also bought FSD in 2019 and received on Oct. 24th, 2021 w/ v10.3 - I have been posting videos continuously since that date & it's a second job to me recently. Creating content like this is a lot of hard work, so I'm glad the RUclips algorithm finally presented my work to you! Many here have been following me from the beginning, so I hope you can enjoy the view & the commentary and I hope you can stay for a couple more of my journeys.
A short daytime drive in Chicago, no problem for a human driver. The very latest FSD software *continues* to struggle: 3 interventions and 3 disengagements. FSD cannot be trusted with your wife and child in the city. And after 4 years in development, FSD cannot go in reverse. FSD also cannot avoid obvious potholes or roadkill in broad daylight .
I dont know how much it has improved since this May, but it would make so many stupid mistakes…, not knowing what to do some times, lose its mind where there is construction, speed limits default to 30km/h if it cant see speed limit signs (if anything, it should default to 50km/h), stay in the wrong lane on the highway and freakout at the last second, ran red light, jam on the brakes when light turns yellow, miss turns, stop too far from the intersection line so it wont trigger the sensors to change light… IMO, i dont think its worth it to subscribe yet.
We should speak about the elephant in the room: FSD 'self-learning' may actually be mostly generated by Tesla engineers manually modifying the youtuber regular routes up to adding virtual walls in the area. Sounds very similar to Amazon's automated shops 'AI' case, where Indian customer support was remotely checking the content of the shopping cart and manually adjusting the bill. SEC and DoJ have opened investigations against Tesla on possible fraudulent FSD business practises.
0:52 You did not almost get arrested. Reminds me of the comment you made about almost getting shot in a thumbnail awhile back. Love your videos man, but you love to exaggerate stuff and make it sound way worse than it is. LOL
I like how you really push FSD to its limits. Thanks
FSD must be pushed to the limits, if we are to trust it. FSD can easily drive on a deserted freeway in Montana for hours, with no interventions. But most people live in big cities, or near to big cities.
Thank you! Many are complaining that I push it too far. I think that no matter what, you can't please people sometimes...
Traffic condition in Chicago is next level. FSD really does a good job.
I really like the rear camera feed placement. It felt so natural to look up while watching along. You and AI DRIVR have the best editing.
Superb video editing and commentary.
Liking the intense city scenarios. Nice work! Good contrast to other RUclipsrs and testing.
'Intense city scenarios' is just where FSD has the most problems. And not just in Chicago. FSD also struggles in New York City, Toronto, Los Angeles, and San Jose California too. FSD has problems with speed bumps, 5 miles away from Tesla world headquarters in Fremont California!
FSD is improving at a fast clip. We can’t discount the positives too. You can see that it is really going to be the only solution out there.
@@iano4027 FSD is not improving at a fast clip, the latest version 12.4.3 still makes all kinds of egregious errors on challenging drives.
A human driver can go for years without an incident. FSD requires 100 percent human supervision at all times. That is not what people paid for .
mmm, ok. ur comments will not age well. yes, supervision required while its making progress toward later stages of dev. the rate of progress is stunning.
@@iano4027 The rate of progress is certainly NOT stunning. Are you serious?
Today, the very latest FSD cannot even go in *reverse* . It cannot see and avoid potholes or roadkill in broad daylight. It still routinely misses speed bumps, and fails to slow down for them. FSD often exceeds the posted Speed Limit. Unprotected Left turns are often a problem on busy streets. I could go on and on .
There I was munching on a rather good cheeseburger while watching your video and then BAM theres my name on the screen. and you are talking about me. how strange it was. Its easy to support your show. I can tell you are doing your best to put out good content in your own style. I thank you back.
Youre kind of like a celebrity now Tom.
@@d.r.656 Tom is too much of a celebrity to reply.
Love your FSD videos, you are now my favorite FSD YT.
FSD trying to turn the wrong way down a 1-way street. Great job, it really is human like!
Great fsd challenge in downtown chicago!
Good video. Appreciate all the work you put into it.
Love your videos! Thank you so much for doing this!❤
5:02 it shows once again, that FSD doesn't get actual map data fed in, but a view of the map with the route highlighted. Thus it interpreted this as kind of a right U-turn maneuver of some kind - as there's no direction marked on the blue path of the navigation route this sometimes happens.
It sometimes thinks right U-Turns actually go left and do a U-turn in the wrong direction ;D
This is a great format by following-up on what happened in the previous video. You're doing a great job. Way better than Whole Mars.
Whole Mars videos can just be summed up with ... 'Everything is great, nothing is wrong, just buy everything Tesla.'... and just repeat that for every video
That's expert level driving there, and without any safety critical events. Chicago is intimidating when it comes to driving.
Wrong way down a one-way is a potentially safety-critical mistake. At the very least, a major problem. It could easily get stuck, blocking traffic.
This is excellent stuff!
Hat off for your work showing us what it can do
And what it *cannot* *do* .
Didn’t see last video but the merge wasn’t FSD messing up. Two cars tried to merge at same time. It happens all the time. It’s FSD not future prediction software. It doesn’t control other drivers. Then it did the right thing to not have an accident. That should be celebrated.
Excellent video. Thanks!
Well done!
Awesome video. Thank you so much!
Wish I could test it out here in rural Texas; all I see are tests all over California, Chicago of course with you, and no use results for those of us out here in smaller towns, Hill country of TX, etc.
I use it in rural New Mexico… It does pretty well out here other than messed up map data.
Maybe you could put on some sign(s) that says you are testing self driving, sorry for possible delays or something. That would maybe avoid other drivers to act calmly and not honk. Hopefully, though, they will not change their natural driving too much around you.
Great video Jon! Odd with missing those turns; it’s like it sees all the VRUs and is like, “nope” 😂
3:45 it actually just went right, with the left turn still loaded in the navigation, as the new navigation route wasn't yet loaded. NHTSA requires it to turn right in such situations, that's why it doesn't matter. :)
but but but Omar said he drives for 90 minutes with only a press of the accelerator, surely hes not wrong :):)
really enjoying your well balanced and honest demonstration, i feel like i have a more true picture of where we are really at.
I'm pretty sure WMC has HW4 (if not something special for cars with discrete GPUs). This is an older car with USS and HW3. It should not matter all that much, but maybe it does.
@@vaddimka as far as i know it doesnt as hw4 is still running in simulation mode. uss are ignored also. maybe its the avoidance of certain area types :) even with a random gps destination, if you dont go downtown where the trouble is, you aint gunna find trouble.
@@MagivaIT Yeah, in WMC videos he rarely uses multi-lane streets, which is also one of the weak spots for FSD right now. I disagree about "no trouble outside downtown", I have to disengage frequently because it just doesn't behave the way I want it to behave, even in basic stop and go traffic.
Great video. This really shows that Tesla needs to do their own mapping and ditch google maps. All of my issues with FSD have been related to google map and routing issues. There are some speedbump speed signs in my neighborhood that do not show up in google maps for me and the car does not even recognize or show them in the visualizations. I love FSD for my situation and there are some limitations but I am sad to say that RoboTaxi level FSD still has a lot of work. It would be great if they deployed in a few cities first and got it perfected and address all the edge cases and limitations in those high density areas first. Prove it can be awesome in areas where Robotaxi FSD will be highly utilized.
Those are best one
5:00: Oof, that's big-bad. Doesn't matter if it was due to changing route mid-drive. That's something robotaxi needs to be able to do.
8:40: I'm always impressed by this behavior.
11:15: Yeah, that's excellent! The lack of hesitation is night-and-day compared to what it used to be (and might still be, in some cases). And I recognize that free victory tune xD
14:05: I don't think you waited long enough to conclude it would have missed the turn. It couldn't turn through the pedestrians, obviously... Though the path-planner definitely wasn't clear.
16:25: That one was definitely not necessary, though I can see why you did it.
Not a bad drive but definitely not good enough for robotaxi yet. Disengagements will need to be much less frequent.
5:00 strange nav thinking. Close quarter rerouting apparently disturbs its logic. Great tests
lol right turn in front of bus is illegal 🤣😂 but that was a weird corner
I have had to disengage when ego attempts to turn the wrong way down a one way street. Still running 12.3.6
Yes, and there are videos on RUclips that show that FSD is unable to understand these road signs:
DO NOT ENTER
ROAD CLOSED
Where in the video was the edge case with the bulb?
Once they've fixed the navigation bug, it will be very close to perfect.
Does chill mode actually change anything yet? My wife gets car sick as a passenger in 12.3.6 because it accelerates hard when you don’t expect
9:28 FSD should have stopped here as well, there's just no room on the other side of the intersection to go into.
upvoted!!
You should add changing the waypoint to your battery of tests. It is a valid use case for both individual users and robotaxis. The car should be able to do it safely.
woww go tesla
me watching the sponsered ad in my highland lol
Too positive. This thing is a menace.
Fsd Still not able to function as Robotaxi.
Nice ride. Thanks for sharing.
13:54 - I don't get why you disengage here. FSD is clearly waiting for pedestrians. It does not go forward, it intends to turn right. You motivate it by the past cases? But you said a few times that FSD behaves differently sometimes. So why not waiting for FSD on the test run? I could maybe understand it if you were rushing to work, but here? You either test FSD or disengage it, proclaiming it would behave in a certain way. Seemed much premature.
No, the car is not clearly waiting for pedestrians, the car is constantly creeping forward to the point it was about to miss the turn. If you look at the zebra crossing lines (not sure it’s the correct term, English is not my native language), you can see the car going forward.
@@brunosco Ah, I think I see it, constant 3 MPH. It was hard to see the creeping on the video. That is strange. Still would love to see what would happen. Would it just stop or try to turn anyway? Or maybe continue forward?
@@Kaipiso Strange indeed. And like you, I wanted to see it do its thing and see what it would have done. It didn’t seem to be a critical disengagement at this point.
My first drive it didn’t take a right turn. Very weird. Not since. Also I don’t stress about the drivers behind me. Calm down people.
Nice video and commentary. Question: my FSD ignores the highway off-ramp speed signs that's causing very risky situations - like flying into 30mph off-ramp with 70 mph speed. Do you observe anything like this?
oh, I had similar situation numerous times. So I had to intervine. I'm with 12.3.6 though.
Highways aren’t on v12 yet. Thats not coming until 12.5.
is this a joke?
@@trebleclef7469 I have the same version. Good to know it's not just my car, hope this will be fixed soon.
Yellow speed signs on ramps are for trucks.
Robotaxi can continually get better, using the corner cases pouring in from all the eternally L3 only FSD fleet, because it uses the same camera locations. But if you need to experience L4 autonomy, pay for a Robotaxi ride, that simple👈😂. All those still using L3 FSD deserve some Robotaxi credits though🤞❤👍
I am getting sick and tired of watching these New - No Name RUclipsrs getting the latest upgrade to FSD that I have been waiting for over 3 upgrades and I have not received .. and I was one of the original subscribers to FSD in 2019. I hope Tesla see this -- !!!!!
Sorry you haven't gotten it yet! My channel is still small, sadly, but I also bought FSD in 2019 and received on Oct. 24th, 2021 w/ v10.3 - I have been posting videos continuously since that date & it's a second job to me recently. Creating content like this is a lot of hard work, so I'm glad the RUclips algorithm finally presented my work to you! Many here have been following me from the beginning, so I hope you can enjoy the view & the commentary and I hope you can stay for a couple more of my journeys.
A short daytime drive in Chicago, no problem for a human driver.
The very latest FSD software *continues* to struggle: 3 interventions and 3 disengagements. FSD cannot be trusted with your wife and child in the city.
And after 4 years in development, FSD cannot go in reverse. FSD also cannot avoid obvious potholes or roadkill in broad daylight .
I dont know how much it has improved since this May, but it would make so many stupid mistakes…, not knowing what to do some times, lose its mind where there is construction, speed limits default to 30km/h if it cant see speed limit signs (if anything, it should default to 50km/h), stay in the wrong lane on the highway and freakout at the last second, ran red light, jam on the brakes when light turns yellow, miss turns, stop too far from the intersection line so it wont trigger the sensors to change light…
IMO, i dont think its worth it to subscribe yet.
7:54 first FSD did the right thing and stopped in front of the intersection. Then it did the wrong thing and continued anyway 🤦♂
Deletiing waypoint is a feature of the car, you have 0 fault. Tesla needs to sort it out.
Do your research, invest in Tesla.
That Starbucks in Chicago is something to behold :) Very nice.
We should speak about the elephant in the room: FSD 'self-learning' may actually be mostly generated by Tesla engineers manually modifying the youtuber regular routes up to adding virtual walls in the area. Sounds very similar to Amazon's automated shops 'AI' case, where Indian customer support was remotely checking the content of the shopping cart and manually adjusting the bill.
SEC and DoJ have opened investigations against Tesla on possible fraudulent FSD business practises.
Why do you keep saying you almost got arrested lol? Cops will not arrest you for driving down a wrong street or getting lost.
He straight said he was joking -_- did you even watch the video?!
1 million robotaxis by 2020.
0:52 You did not almost get arrested. Reminds me of the comment you made about almost getting shot in a thumbnail awhile back. Love your videos man, but you love to exaggerate stuff and make it sound way worse than it is. LOL
He said he was joking, and even said the same in Part 1 lol.
Proves that people don't actually listen. He straight said he was joking -_-.
Cul
WAAAbAAAsh av??! Suburbanites, stay home.
Lol. YT is offering to translate this to English :)
It doesn't seem to understand that waaabaaash av is a street :(