FSD Beta v9 - Chicago Drive

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

Комментарии • 127

  • @location3921
    @location3921 3 года назад +18

    Thanks for testing FSD in a variety of crowded, urban scenarios. It looks like it struggles most with them. But the extent it has improved is also impressive.

    • @kevinweber5129
      @kevinweber5129 3 года назад +3

      I wouldn’t call that route crowded.

    • @ngchongsin2009
      @ngchongsin2009 3 года назад

      Too rural area, traffic is too much too light to give a good judgment

  • @nApucco
    @nApucco 3 года назад +20

    Nice camera/display setup. Like the view.
    Sadly, it seems FSD still seems to have a long way to be ready in dense cities.

  • @kentaroyamada8505
    @kentaroyamada8505 3 года назад +10

    More testers are needed in downtown Chicago! Thanks as always!

  • @MajorPickleSwag
    @MajorPickleSwag 3 года назад +29

    Damn seems like FSD still has a bit of a ways to go in Chicago

    • @im.thatoneguy
      @im.thatoneguy 3 года назад +12

      FSD still has a ways to go... on planet earth.

    • @yangdaily-andrewyangnewspo6434
      @yangdaily-andrewyangnewspo6434 3 года назад

      @@im.thatoneguy Not really. It handles most (U.S.) suburbs pretty easily. Just a few issues to fix there. Cities and novel scenarios are another matter.

  • @thomasaquinas157
    @thomasaquinas157 3 года назад +6

    Thank you for allowing the hiccups to play out as long as possible, like the part where the car paused in the middle of the road. I haven't seen anyone else let a situation like that play out. It was interesting to see the car's behavior there.

    • @duplexdown
      @duplexdown 3 года назад +1

      I second this! You're very patient! Strong work

  • @RB-pi3jl
    @RB-pi3jl 3 года назад +4

    Great view of the road. Best I've seen in anyone's FSD review. Subscribed!

  • @kratosdisciple4637
    @kratosdisciple4637 3 года назад

    Excellent scenarios and commentary. No hype. Just the facts. Well done!

  • @ernestsco
    @ernestsco 3 года назад +20

    Frenchie! Your FSD beta runs give me anxiety HAHA

    • @rathje04
      @rathje04 3 года назад +1

      Totally!

    • @kratosdisciple4637
      @kratosdisciple4637 3 года назад +1

      He stays so calm. I have a new found respect for these testers. The ones who are actually doing genuine tests. Was very impressed that he went back to the Road Closed sign.

  • @NrNr-hu1zf
    @NrNr-hu1zf 3 года назад +6

    Thanks! Liked how you test FSD! Allowing it to try to learn / figure it out. Safely

  • @Sam-ss6yn
    @Sam-ss6yn 3 года назад +2

    Please post moreee. This is one of the best out there. Especially the screen and the camera angle!

  • @f2yd
    @f2yd 3 года назад +5

    Nice job with the direct screen capture! And, of course, thanks for another great video.

  • @nickfosterxx
    @nickfosterxx 3 года назад +1

    Hey Frenchie good to have you back! and great to see your face. Sorry to see though that you also still seem to be the tester with the most problems. I tip my hat to your patience.
    Brandonee916 on 12 July seems to be having the opposite experience and is loving it(!)

  • @dfikar
    @dfikar 3 года назад +7

    Thanks for posting a realistic video in a difficult urban setting rather than a fanboy video that hides FSD issues. It is clear that Tesla has a lot of work to do on FSD before they release it to the rest of us.

  • @hykris541
    @hykris541 3 года назад +12

    FSD just seems to perform so badly in cities, as when compared to driving in the suburbs where is performs nearly flawlessly but hopefully we see FSD improve in terms of city driving/dense urban areas

    • @switzerland
      @switzerland 3 года назад +5

      It's what worries me. American suburbs are too simple. Most european roads are as complicated as american cities or often even worse. FSD still needs to improve a lot before beeing usable in europe.

  • @Boricuahbg
    @Boricuahbg 3 года назад +7

    Good vid. True city testing. thanks!

  • @hellooohowareudoing
    @hellooohowareudoing 3 года назад +11

    Some really interesting scenarios there, some of which seem to make zero sense at all! Hopefully the next update will be a big improvement.

  • @seekbeautytravel
    @seekbeautytravel 3 года назад +5

    V9 Got a lot better at aiming at other cars parked on the side for some reason :)

  • @KKmaddafakka
    @KKmaddafakka 3 года назад +1

    Great video and testing as always. Unbiased and informative. Having camera on the roof gives a great view to what's actually happening in front of the car compared to having it inside. But it is also interesting to see how the steering wheel moves sometimes. If you added a fourth camera that watches the steering wheel then you would be the MVP of FSD testing.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад +1

      I might repurpose the selfie camera for the steering wheel. I'll give it a try

    • @KKmaddafakka
      @KKmaddafakka 3 года назад +2

      ​@@FrenchieFSD That would be awesome. It's interesting to see how the steering wheel moves but it's also interesting to see where you are looking as well in certain situations.

    • @tommy97luu
      @tommy97luu 3 года назад +1

      @@KKmaddafakka u can see the steering wheel movements in the blue autopilot icon! I just used it in another video to see how it avoided a curb and it satisfied me haha

  • @DerKatzeSonne
    @DerKatzeSonne 3 года назад +3

    So at least it now seems to be aware of the road closing obstacles and doesn't seem to simply want to drive through them anymore. Also way less curb clipping, it seems. Great improvements! Stop sign creeping seems to be still the same.
    Oh and when it tried to "crash" into the parked car... that was because it tried to evade the opposing traffic but overreacted. Weird.

    • @MacGuyver85
      @MacGuyver85 3 года назад +1

      Clearly vision overrides map now, while previously it was map over vision.

    • @MichaelPomposello
      @MichaelPomposello 3 года назад +2

      Yea I noticed that oncoming car too. I'm not sure it would have hit the parked car but it did seem to get out of the way of oncoming traffic. Glad he intervened nonetheless

  • @TeslaTube
    @TeslaTube 3 года назад +1

    This is the best FSD Beta video setup I've seen... Only thing that would 1 up this, would be if you could somehow show the cross traffic, maybe a panoramic view or something

  • @RaoulTeeuwen
    @RaoulTeeuwen 3 года назад +2

    Thanks, nice video and drive duration with high density of interesting moments :-). Hope you report all those situations to the team, especially the moment it did some weird path planning at the white parked car, and while driving around that cones visualizing a ghost truck

    • @nickm7820
      @nickm7820 3 года назад +2

      All interventions are supposed to be reported.

  • @giorgiorocchi8313
    @giorgiorocchi8313 3 года назад +1

    i really like how critical and honest you are. nice video

  • @Sha.ll0w
    @Sha.ll0w 3 года назад +3

    9:32 Unless that's just the visualization model of the tractor, the FSD thought it was going inside of a truck... Also couldn't decide between driving through the cones or going around them on the path finder.
    It's unfortunate, hopefully they can quickly improve it to surpass the radar+vision model they had.

  • @StefanNorberg
    @StefanNorberg 3 года назад +1

    Good video and test scenarios as always! The pedestrian warning took about 2s @ 2:54, I'd say. Maybe a little bit less depending on when you start counting (based on trajectory and speed of the pedestrian). I'd slow down at 2:55 at the very latest. The car did ok.
    Love your commentary at 6:16, lol. A little bit awkward afterwards, "it corrected itself, in a sense", but gotta stay positive man :D

  • @Saleenrulz
    @Saleenrulz 3 года назад +2

    I like the new setup, very clean.

  • @phildavis9671
    @phildavis9671 3 года назад +13

    Needs to create boundary lines for cones.

  • @djnardo7946
    @djnardo7946 3 года назад +1

    At 9:2o, this will be one of the biggest challenges for any self-driving tech: that stack of wood and potty aren't recognized as anything of importance, so FSD just views the oncoming driver as a d-bag who should be staying on their own side of the road.
    AVs not only need to recognize particular objects like pedestrians, stop signs, etc. They also need to be able to, with non-specified objects, determine if they constitute un-driveable space or not

  • @SingingAdonis
    @SingingAdonis 3 года назад +1

    I drive a model Y and would love to accompany you on a drive around the city if you go on another drive so I can see first hand the FSD Beta 9

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      Find me on Twitter or send me an email and we'll go for a ride

  • @pwells2389
    @pwells2389 3 года назад +2

    Were you feeding your car alcohol before you went out 😂😂 So funny at the "road closed" bit. Odd to see your vids without mountains of snow. Thanks for getting out there with v9

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад +1

      Ahaha. It does feel like it's drunk indeed

  • @AnthonyWilsonOlympian
    @AnthonyWilsonOlympian 3 года назад +7

    I see improvements keep up the good work.

  • @Niko-kf7ue
    @Niko-kf7ue 3 года назад +1

    I like how nicely you talk to your car and motivate it. Performance of FSD is pretty disappointing though :/
    *E Could you add a disenggaments/miles stats as you did in your v82. vids? Would be awesome!

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      I’ll start doing that again. The car needs motivation! ;-)

  • @GreylanderTV
    @GreylanderTV 3 года назад +1

    5:00 It wasn't going into the parked car. It was making a sharp adjustment to avoid the oncoming car. We can see from its projected path it fully intends to avoid the parked car. The sharp/jittery adjustments it still makes sometimes must feel to you like a full commitment to a very wrong course of action. See the 2nd time at 5:42, no oncoming car, no problem.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      You are right. I focus so much on the driving that I don't look at visualization. It's good to be able to watch this in replay and realized that the car wanted to avoid the oncoming vehicle. Thanks for reviewing the footage.

    • @GreylanderTV
      @GreylanderTV 3 года назад +1

      @@FrenchieFSD I don't know if you want to commit more time to editing, but it might be helpful to edit in replays of these kinds of moments, with the original audio off, and explaining in more detail after you could analyze the video & visualization yourself. Most people will never read the comments.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      @@GreylanderTV thanks Scott. Editing time was the limiting factor but I might want to do it as a “special” video. Hopefully if I have more time I can do that

    • @GreylanderTV
      @GreylanderTV 3 года назад

      @@FrenchieFSD I just mean in general, not for this specifically, just depending on your time. I think a lot of people see a disengagement like that and end up thinking "how awful, it was going to hit that car!! FSD is dangerous!!", but if it is explained in the video that might help with that perception (or people might just say you are making excuses for Tesla, lol!).

  • @AllYouWantAndMore
    @AllYouWantAndMore 3 года назад +1

    The car 2:10 literally telling this guy to approve. Listen, this version does not do as much on its own as future version will. It is ok to give it a push if it asks you to.

    • @hanspetterbieker2962
      @hanspetterbieker2962 3 года назад

      I think these messages should be larger on the screen. A bit hard to read when you have to keep your eyes on the road. Maybe they could use an icon to make it clear when driver input is required.

  • @LionheartLivin
    @LionheartLivin 3 года назад +1

    OH MY GOD FRENCHIE!!!;) FRENCHIE'S BACK YOU GUYS!!!;) OH MY GOD I LOVE YOU FRENCHIE AND I MISSED U!!!;) WELCOME BACK BABY MMMMMMUUAH!!!;)😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘🔥

  • @alfredspijkerman
    @alfredspijkerman 3 года назад +1

    Great this scenario testing. A lot is all right, but a lot has to be solved as well. Quite enthousiastic about FSD beta v9, but it needs to learn to drive a lot better. I hope this feedback loop with Tsla will work flawlessly! Very curious how this will improve with next version. Will they release new versions every 2 weeks or so?

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      We hope so. Only Tesla knows

  • @privateerburrows
    @privateerburrows 3 года назад +2

    One bad thing I notice that seems to be particular to FSD V9 is a) NOT squeezing towards the right before making a right turn, and b) stopping at intersections driving on the right lane when it wasn't intending to make a right turn, which is not nice to drivers that need to turn right and could do so on red if the AI wasn't there blocking their way.
    Not illegal, but not nice either. Should not be a high prioritiy, but there's no reason for it to have no priority at all.
    As I've said before in other channels, there seems to be no effort to implement good driving etiquette. The AI is too yielding sometimes, but pretty selfish most of the time.

  • @adamackels73
    @adamackels73 3 года назад

    I have the public build, also purchased the FSD for the mere $10k+tax. Probably the absolute worst investment I've made. Outside it slamming on the brakes for a single amber light in a construction zone, stopping for a Green light of you don't confirm, among other annoying things..... This video, and what happened to me this morning. My 2018 Model 3 wants a new 12v battery. Fine. Driving to Tesla in Denver Colorado, as I'm going through Ft. Collins Colorado, in a construction zone - in the passing lane..... The car wanted to go to a faster passing lane, but it's a 4-lane highway. (2 lanes going North, 2 lanes going South). It couldn't figure out how to do it, I'm certain the people behind me thought I was stupid...

  • @desert123100
    @desert123100 3 года назад +2

    It seems the cars / pedestrians marked in blue are objects the car is actively yielding to.

  • @boostav
    @boostav 3 года назад +1

    Native screen capture is mega! Last step for youtube FSD beta preeminence is the 360 cam ;)

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      Hey!!!! I was waiting for your feedback :-) You've been so helpful from day 1. Been working on this for a while and I knew you of all, would appreciate. I'll consider 360. Still struggling with the price but I'll look into it more. If the channel grows then that's the next step for sure :)

    • @boostav
      @boostav 3 года назад

      @@FrenchieFSD You've definitely put the long wait between beta 8.2 and 9 to good use! Yeah no worries, maybe think about a gofundme type thing, I wouldn't mind chipping in.

  • @minkymootwo
    @minkymootwo 3 года назад +3

    I don't know if it's easy to do or not but if you flip your image it'll show you looking the same way as the car is going, just now it's backwards.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад +3

      Good feedback. It's super easy. I'll make sure that's done in the future.

    • @MichaelPomposello
      @MichaelPomposello 3 года назад

      @@FrenchieFSD I agree with this - the bus being on the other side kept confusing me

  • @Hovscorpion12
    @Hovscorpion12 3 года назад +1

    What’s up. TeslaLisa Sent me!!! Love the vids.

  • @jwstolk
    @jwstolk 3 года назад +1

    Pretty extreme S-shapes dotted driving path at 5:02. The only thing on the road is the white stop-line. From the curve it looks like it interpreted that as a lane line, and wanted to dive _along_ the stop-line. Nothing to do with the parked car. (or it's confused by the two lines just beyond the stop-line. Are those a cycle line crossing?)

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      Those are pedestrian crossing. I know it’s strange 😂

  • @-zelda-
    @-zelda- 3 года назад

    2:00 Even if u didn't saw that the car was telling u to accelerate manually if u see that FSD is doing something really slow just acelerate... You can't stay in the middle of the road like that.

  • @KeepCalmNCodeOn
    @KeepCalmNCodeOn 3 года назад +1

    At 9:34 the visualization shows a semi driving into you LOL, WTH.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      Yeah. I think it got confused by the digger

  • @nickm7820
    @nickm7820 3 года назад +2

    Very Good subscribed !

  • @torbenjensen189
    @torbenjensen189 3 года назад

    Good video that shows just how far we have come but also just how far we are from true self driving. This should honestly not be allowed to beta on open roads. Its clearly not safe yet.

  • @djnardo7946
    @djnardo7946 3 года назад +1

    At 3 mins when the pedestrian runs it front, AP only beeps before slowing down if you're pressing the accelerator right? Or do I just happen to always be on the accelerator any time it happens to me?

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      I usually don't have my foot on the accelerator so this time it beeped in advance

  • @darshuetube
    @darshuetube 3 года назад +1

    Thanks. But this is still very far from full autonomy. Not sure when full autonomy will come, maybe another 5-8 years.

  • @kkal1183
    @kkal1183 3 года назад +1

    Yea.. like previous versions, it seems to lack predictive behavior such as cars reversing. It seems to struggle quite a lot in cities. Sadly it seems all those "millions of miles" of learning seemed to have been lost with each rewrite.

  • @grantguy8933
    @grantguy8933 3 года назад +1

    Can you park your car at a stop sign?

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      What do you mean? Just put the car in “P” at the stop sign?

    • @grantguy8933
      @grantguy8933 3 года назад +1

      @@FrenchieFSD i meant there was a car parked at the stop sign on the street and confused FSD b9. Your car was not sure if it was parking or stopping there.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      @@grantguy8933 ah I see. Yes they do valet right at that corner.

  • @roblbrewer
    @roblbrewer 3 года назад +3

    FSD will not work until it assumes an attitude of 'it's me against the world'. Camping in an intersection waiting for peds to give you a 'thumbs up' is not an optimum strategy for city driving.

  • @bradchen5450
    @bradchen5450 3 года назад +3

    This is great!

  • @lkjhgjy108
    @lkjhgjy108 2 года назад

    Anyone else ever come back to this to see how amazing the rate of improvement is when we compare v9 to 10.69.3 😂

  • @sidoliveira3246
    @sidoliveira3246 3 года назад

    How does the monitor know when it's a car or a truck or a person. How does the car know when it's a stop sign or a stoplight. This is very interesting. Just wondering. Seems like it's over my head.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      It’s computer vision. Basically the car has 8 cameras all around. There is a computer in the car (behind the glovebox) that analyse those videos and run them through a Neural Network. The Neural Network is a form of Artificial Intelligence that is similar to human brain. To train a Neural Network to recognize a car, truck or human, you have to feed that Neural Network a ton of example. Those examples are allowing the Neural Network to score each object with a confidence score. So it sees a human for example and it‘s 80% sure it’s a human. Tesla does that with everything you see. Traffic light are easy but stop signs can be tricky (obstructed, flashing stop sign, stickers on the sign etc…). Once it understands the world around it, it handles the steering, acceleration and braking. That’s high level how this system works

  • @michaelshih8163
    @michaelshih8163 3 года назад +1

    Wouldn't go when FSD saw some gigantic people trying to cross the road.

  • @michaellauinger7406
    @michaellauinger7406 3 года назад +1

    The parked car he keeps wondering about is illegally parked. It is too close to the stop sign,so it's probably confusing the software. It would seem like a vehicle that is being driven to both a regular driver and apparently to the software as well. The illegally parked car should be ticketed and towed by the city. It's clearly causing problems.
    The fact that the Tesla keeps stopping in the middle of the road is blocking and delaying other drivers. That could cause frustrated driving and accidents. Not to mention, it's a ticketable offense. You can't just stop in the middle of the road for no good reason.

  • @chikva2
    @chikva2 3 года назад

    Where is the objective data about FSD beta progress through the time, per version?
    For example take the same path, the same weekday, same hour, and compare interventions & disengagements.
    Can also collect the data about the types of disengagements.
    Do this with several different drivers, different areas.
    It can show the real progress of the the FSD beta per version.
    You guys can organize this.

  • @KingSnowdown
    @KingSnowdown 3 года назад +1

    it performed way better in videos from other youtubers. it probably needs more time to calibrate itself

  • @Skygytb
    @Skygytb 3 года назад +1

    great job

  • @teflonpan115
    @teflonpan115 3 года назад +2

    sorry if this is the latest update then FSD level 5 is faaaar way off. It can't even manage clear day and roads with markings. Let alone a snowy afternoon.

  • @bertrandducouedic8621
    @bertrandducouedic8621 3 года назад +1

    Really interesting

  • @johnweiner
    @johnweiner 3 года назад +1

    Why are you called "Frenchie"?

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад +1

      I have a very little imagination for nicknames. Since I'm from France, I thought Frenchie was an easy choice :-)

    • @johnweiner
      @johnweiner 3 года назад

      @@FrenchieFSD Pour un français vous avez un drôle d'accent américain! J"ai fait mes études à l'Université de Chicago...je connais le South Side, Hyde Park, etc. Je suis franco-américain (né à New York), habitant Paris maintenant.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      @@johnweiner Haha merci. Vous connaissez Chicago mieux que moi alors ;-)

  • @jonathanmelhuish4530
    @jonathanmelhuish4530 3 года назад +1

    I find it hard not to focus a lot on your face, might be better without that camera actually? Or just use it for the beginning and end of each drive?

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      Good feedback. I agree. I’ll add it at the beginning and at the end. Sorry next video is ready so it will still have my face but future ones will be adjusted

  • @unsaturated8482
    @unsaturated8482 3 года назад +1

    5:20 lol, its fine though.

  • @barry6996
    @barry6996 3 года назад +5

    FSD hates Chicago, San Francisco and Newport 😂🤣

    • @neeljavia2965
      @neeljavia2965 3 года назад

      San Francisco is better than this.
      Fsd beta struggles the most in places with no lane markings.

    • @barry6996
      @barry6996 3 года назад

      @@neeljavia2965
      Watch this video of San Francisco driven under FSD Beta 9.0:
      ruclips.net/video/GlIdu7prsAw/видео.html

    • @neeljavia2965
      @neeljavia2965 3 года назад

      @@barry6996 Ok

  • @stefanwehinger1235
    @stefanwehinger1235 3 года назад +4

    This shows that FSD is years from public release

  • @jy7654
    @jy7654 3 года назад

    4:59 - WTF?! Horrifying.

  • @kevinweber5129
    @kevinweber5129 3 года назад

    Has FSD even gotten back to when it was on MobileEye way back when. That was a good route that he drove but only moderately difficult as Traffic wasn’t really heavy on those Streets. Can’t believe the Fanboys get so excited over this.

  • @Muskar2
    @Muskar2 3 года назад +1

    I know it's tempting to just see what happens and focus on YT commentary, but I'm pretty sure you're supposed to try to correct it if it's doing something obviously bad. Being in closed beta is a big responsibility and you could say you're effectively enabling bad behavior if you don't correct it. I know some viewers prefer to see what it can do by itself but I think that's honestly something that should be left for a public beta - or at least only allow it on occasion to get to know the car's behavior.

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      Hi Muskar! Do you have an example of a behavior that I either didn’t correct or didn’t report? If I missed something I can improve for next time. Thanks for the feedback

    • @Muskar2
      @Muskar2 3 года назад

      @@FrenchieFSD 1:59 and 6:18 especially but I might also report 2:44 if it was very clear to you and 3:45 unless you see an obvious reason why it should brake. It's better to overreport than underreport. Thanks for your efforts and sharing your drives of Chicago!

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      @@Muskar2 thanks! I see what you mean. When I don’t intervene but it’s still not 100% perfect. I’ll make sure to do that moving forward. Thanks again

    • @Muskar2
      @Muskar2 3 года назад

      @@FrenchieFSD Hey, Frenchie. I'm not sure if you'll see this on such an old video. But Rob Maurer of Tesla Daily just brought to my attention that you no longer need to press report except in very special (unspecified) circumstances. That probably means they're getting too much data to manually look through and that they have plenty of things to look through with automated data. So I just wanted to get back to you and correct myself on that and share that information with you. Keep it up!

    • @FrenchieFSD
      @FrenchieFSD  3 года назад

      @@Muskar2 Thanks! I'll get in touch with Rob to get more details. Appreciate the follow up.

  • @cringy7-year-old5
    @cringy7-year-old5 3 года назад +1

    haha you can tell it is scared to death of all these shitty drivers and walkers lmao

  • @yangdaily-andrewyangnewspo6434
    @yangdaily-andrewyangnewspo6434 3 года назад +1

    Wow. That was... yikes. Contender for worst drive I've seen from FSD.

  • @EnnuinerDog
    @EnnuinerDog 3 года назад

    Still level 2

  • @Leader2light
    @Leader2light 3 года назад

    This is making real humans rage. Imagine trying to drive with this stupid system blocking the road.

  • @dfv671
    @dfv671 3 года назад

    I would not waste the $10K for FSD. Piece of trash!

  • @RobertJLessard
    @RobertJLessard 3 года назад

    If you're insurance provider saw this I bet your rates would go up. This is not soemthing any sane company or regulator woudl allow on public roads. Shameful.