@Sheryl St. Germain , Once you learn that the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is actually Satan the filthy Abrahamic religions including the Jehovah's Witnesses make a lot more sense because the serve an evil false god. All these billions of people today in this upside down world that serve YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, these so called Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity, Islam serve Satan as their god. They want you to serve him too. The age of the evil false god of Abraham is passing away, his time is short.
When I left back in May of 2004, I returned all the contents of my elder's brief case and left them piled on the library table. Several of the local elders tried to catch me at home to no avail. Then one Sunday afternoon while I was dining at a local pizza parlor, one of the elders spotted me and came over to my table and boldly stated that a meeting with the body and the circuit overseer was necessary. I replied that I was dining, and that his intrusion upon my privacy was unwelcome, bordering on harassment. It would be almost two years before I would encounter him again, this time at my home. Someone had reported a campaign sign in my front yard and obviously this had to be looked into. After them knocking on my door like the house was on fire, I answered it and upon recognizing them (full suit and tie in 105 F Arkansas heat in the middle of July), I asked that they leave my property immediately or I would report them for trespassing. They never came back.
@@scottbrandon9390 you are so lucky. I did a little bit of research but still went ahead and got baptised because Ihad made friends in the organisation and didn't know the real dirt on them
Hell Yeah! When I left in 1993 I was bullied by the elders but I was only 17 and never looked back and my pop was a highly respected elder and my family was the rockstars of jw's so I was the black sheep but didn't want any part of it. Long story the elders bullied me and didn't work, then my pop questioned shit and almost beat the shit out of one elder in a meeting one night after a meeting and long story short my pop threw off his tie and pretty told the elders to fuck off and never looked back. They were in shock and it was that day my dad woke up and left and soon my mom and brother left and we became a happier family. No bullshit. : )))
As a former Elder pioneer , I live in England those words touched my heart. Excellent advice 👍 believe me elders are flawed, have no holy spirit, well done you 🙂
Thank you for sharing. As an ex-JW woman who left my ex-husband because of abuse, it was the behaviour of these intrusive disgusting elders that helped wake me up. They are more concerned with ‘helping’ you back into a toxic relationship to keep their membership numbers, then your well-being.
Do not give in. You’re in control of your life. You and ONLY you get to decide who meets with you or not. It’s Your life. They do not dictate your life.
@@mandisamtshemla481 Great to meet you,if you wish you could contact me on 0722781525 or mail hudson@precisionsurveys.co.za. I am currently in discussions with Carte Blanche about the JW Org
At no point are they or were they your friend. Just like a police officer is not your friend, even when they appear friendly, an elder is not your friend even when they appear friendly. Treat them the same, because they have the same function in your life (reinforcing the laws and rules created by others).
im not a jw and never have ben but have a jw friend. I'm fascinated by the stories and in amazement at the power these elders hold over everyone. good for you for getting free. your stories will help free more in this cult. you are so soft spoken and smart. God bless you in every way!!!
Years ago when 22 I had moved back into my JW mom's house and I had been at a party full of DF'd people where some drama had gone down and elder from their congregation called and asked me who was there and what went on. I started to answer, then it clicked that nobody there was a witness and told him it was none of his business and hung up on him. the look on my mom's face was priceless!!!
As someone who went through this sort of thing in my congregation, I totally understand. I was a regular pioneer who was dating a sister who was from another country in my hall. She went home and we broke up for various reasons. (I felt it was nobody's business.) I was going through many other problems at the time. I was struck by a car during my pioneer school break and never finished. Also, the brother who studied with me while I was a kid and who was a father figure to me growing up had cancer and was dying at the time. (Yes he passed.) However, the elders in my congregation believed my girlfriend and I were sleeping together (we weren't). I was removed as a pioneer because I was short by about 10 hours for the previous year and was showing short on the time for that year. (Hit by a car and I had some trouble for the first few months recovering.) I felt the stress was just too much and needed some long-term alone time, and began to miss meetings. Two elders came to my door and kind of pushed past me into my home even though I told them it was a bad time. We discussed some things and in the middle of the discussion, I told them that I was sick of all the disrespect I was getting in the hall and asked them "if you weren't elders and you pushed their way into my house what do you think a guy like me would do to you?" With raised eyebrows, they immediately apologized for the intrusion. Come to think of it that discussion was the first time anyone told me that the elders believed I had been sleeping with my GF, and that was the reason why I was removed as a pioneer. I thought they were just heartless jerks who didn't care I got hit by a car. Mrs. Living Truth, I understand this problem that people are having with over intrusive elders and agree. However, I really feel you should have told them about your husband's infidelity. Perhaps your elders were better than mine and would have treated you with more respect. It angers me to see innocent people suffer because of elders who think they're the sh*t and show no respect to fellow worshipers. Call me crazy if you want, but I believe Jehovah exists while I have doubts about if he is who he says is; I've seen too much to not think something is going on in an unseen place. I also believe he is going to destroy this organization for all the damage it has caused to its own people. Sorry for the essay and lots of love to you and yours.
One time I asked to meet with elders because of a situation and they refused (true story) ... the very next day they heard through the grapevine what was happening to me and called me to ask for a meeting! I was thinking: “ oh heck NO! Never again will i meet with another elder! I’m done!” If you don’t care about me/ then I don’t care about you!
I tell my children to not look left or right, nor back, rather look and move forward. I would ignore the elders completely. Learn from your experience, take what is good, and continue walking your path forward.
When I became a auxiliary apostate the elders came calling and I showed them a Lloyd Evans video on my phone. I told them Lloyd Evans is telling the truth. One Elder looked at Lloyd Evans beard and said to me would you listen to someone with a beard. I said Jesus had a beard and you listen to him. I'm now a regular apostate my goal is to be a special apostate . Dear sister you should have said to the elders I'll meet with you two at a fancy restaurant and you two pay my bill.love justin porter ex jw
Haha… I lost my appetite though, so no need to commit to that length of time staring at each other over food. Although, I could’ve taken it to go 🤔 lol
I can so relate, will not meet I just stop going o love all those elders, but I don’t have anything to tell them, living my life the same way, just don’t need their meetings , the religion added to my depression.
I'm glad you shared this...in my opinion no one should feel obligated to meet. Sure wish I had seen this video 10 years ago 😂. You are doing so much good by sharing. Love it 🤍
Thanks Brenda- agreed, if only I had the confidence that I have now. And it would’ve been great to have this community then. But hey, life experience can’t be taught any other way than going through the mud. 😘🙌
I'm so sorry for your situation. Some of my best friends were Elders who never spoke to me again after I resigned. I wish you the best with the rest of your life.
Elders always want to blame the woman when a marriage breaks up. My ex cheated on me, too. Even though he was "worldly" the elders chose his side. Yup. Been there, done that. That's how it goes with those JW men.🤦♀️
Good on you for speakn your truth to these control freaks and fakes " totally conditional' I feel you wen you think you know them and have shared your life with some so good on you and thanks for a great explanation of how it was, and how it is all the best.
I told an elder that showed up at my door that I would be happy to talk to him, in fact, I have a lot of “apostate” information to share because I’m an activist!! Before I could say “come in,” he literally RAN to his car to escape!!! He never came back 👏🥴
As a non-JW and a practicing Catholic, I would love to meet with these elders! I would bring a small library of books and resources with me. I would ask very serious questions about the origins of this Watch Tower scam. Sadly, the only JWs I have ever talked to are the pioneers. Your testimony is very informative. I appreciate your witness. God bless!
I know how that feels. It’s soo annoying like their bunch of mosquitoes that sucks the blood out of u and still won’t give up. It’s like, what else do u want from me.
I am so glad that you are setting your boundaries and have set them and I am glad you are getting set free. Both of my brothers were disfellowshipped and had large families but they eventually got set free by death. Please keep up the videos and help those that are bound by this religion
It looks like you are already in paradise 😇 Once you realize that they have no power over you , you see how pathetic these people really are ! I agreed to meet them and then stood them up, they wasted Years of my life so wasting a hour of their time felt good 👍 Of course I got dfed ,but that was already decided . Thanks for your insight
So proud of you sister!!! 😊 You're absolutely right it's between you and God if that's what you believe in. Those elders have no right to be prying in your personal life. Growing up and the Jehovah's Witnesses I myself never got a break from them not really. I'm trying to I guess you might say reason with the ones that are still in and let those that are out know they're not alone. when I was growing up I was taught that Jehovah loves everyone, but the way that most of the Jehovah's Witnesses act it's despicable.
Thank you for sharing this traumatic period of your life, it must have been very difficult for you on so many levels, you kept your dignity and handled all the issues very intelligently, I must say I think your laid back persona helps, elders should never come to your place of work, it is definitely an impertinence which you managed the best way possible, not all elders are as intrusive and thoughtless as this, and others don't know any better, while the majority though are on an ego trip with these situations, very encouraging the way you rose above all this sad control game of watchtower, very inspiring indeed, I am going through something similar over my dear wifes passing from Leukaemia, though the elder concerned is aware of the failings of Watchtower and is very sympathetic to my corncerns with the religion, he's been a life long friend who I grew up with in the Borg. Keep up the good work, you are helping so many become free of the shackles of this cult........😇 PS: There is one positive from watchtower, and that is I would never have met my beautiful wife to share lifes moments with, and two good looking sons who are also with me in my fade out of the matrix.........🥰
Excellent points, excellent everything! The elders have zero authority over anybody and need to know their role....at least that was my attitude! Bravo!
Chosing not meeting these men who call themselves "elders" is not rude. There just power hungry men with no professional training. Meeting in a neutral ground is a great idea. If it wasn't for this cult, these men would just be a strangers. You don't owe them anything. Take your power an control back! Just don't respond to an request these men want. At the end of the day, they don't even care about individuals. I enjoyed the video.
Hi Tammy, I watched this video again. Back a few years ago, when we were coming out, the elders ask us to meet with them multiple times. I kept telling my hubby to say no because I knew what there going to do and I just didn't want to make time to listen to their shenanigans. But they used that against me at one point. Now reflecting on it, that's what they do. I'm very glad to not be a part of it now. But looking back on it now, it so cruel. I just want say thank you for your videos they helped me alot. Hope all is well. Take care!
Same thing happened to a friend I've known for 43 years. Had been in the Truth for her whole life youth up. All 5 children to meetings...service...etc. Do to her husband similar issues as yours. She was ultimately disfellowshipped with no useful answer as to why. She followed all procedures to be able to come back...but never did. Sad after all of her life around the clock with the Truth. This is just 1 if the many reasons I myself backed away so many years ago myself. I have Christ in my life, baptized, saved Christian and Father God in my life daily. I am happy in the Lord. God knows what hes doing. I am blessed. Good Journey to you.
Thank you for making this video. I wish I knew this information before i got out of the JW organization. I hope this will helps for future friends that want to leave.
What a wonderful speaker. You are very strong, and not in your face “apostate”. I thoroughly enjoyed your program. I’m sorry the things you’ve gone through. I wish you well. What state is that? I love the video on the beach. It’s like a walk with good conversation. Be well. Kansas Lady
Refusing the elders... Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t. So it’s a matter of lesser of two evils. Refusal means they can right away disfellowship you. Meeting them can still mean you get disfellowshipped or they may go light on you.
When I got disfellowshipped I took all of my books 📚 and briefcase 💼 that was giving to me went to an elders house and left everything on the hood of his car. That was the end of it I never stepped foot in the congregation again.
I don’t think he was hitting on me, at all. It’s more when an elder is ‘assigned’ to help the ‘weak’, that the perceived friendship hat comes off and the elder hat goes on. Confusing for a ‘friendship’.
If you send in a disassociation letter the elders stop trying to get you back into the cult, then you start having a real life, free of brain twisting manipulation.
When you are JW everyone is your friend when you leave they’re no longer your friend anymore it’s like having a contract, for my part I could careless because I was never attached to anyone in particular one sister I thought was my friend told me straight if you leave the truth that’s it for our friendship frankly I rarely remember her, I don’t let no one intimidated me.
Rude? That elder coming to your work place immediately struck me as "creepy" and yes, very inappropriate. These elders have no sense of protocol. It's sad that during these times when they chase and try to corner JW women, it bolsters their ego and displays their misogyny. I don't think they go around cornering JW men at their work place.
We said we didn’t want a shepherding call. They called anyways. Made the mistake of letting them in. Was told I should not do any research on the Borg, before they bolted for the door, with the standard expression… “We aren’t getting anywhere here.”. Now that was rude.
This is a beautiful video in a lovely setting. The sound and the wind noise did not disturb me one bit. I particularly enjoy the posts that explain the monstrous loonacy of what j dubs put up with.
@@LivingTruth1 I will for sure! I’m actually involved in a court case that is before the BC Supreme Court regarding my records that the cong. has. I would love to tell you about it.
Stalking you at work crosses a line. If he was cheating you made the right decision to leave. No one's business. My condolences for having gone through this.
If you dont give them power, they don't have any power. You need not say another thing to them. Dont let them believe that they can require anything from you, but you can require them to leave your life. If you are really done with them, then be done with them. No need to have any care of what the think or do. Slam the door on that chapter in your life.
Hello Again, I watched this before but after watching it again. That what an elder said to we should have talked before you made up your mind to leave. Trying to talk me back in i guess. Thanks again all your videos
Good for you. I left JW hall and they did not reach out to me because i was known for telling the elders what was on my mind. I found out that My ex husband told the elders and congregation i cheated and he remarried He cheated not me. I attended a wedding and everbody seemed surprised i was there. I informed them that he cheated. They were shocked. He new wife found out that day she married the cheater. Lol
I have an experience similar to yours. After 14 years of marriage, I found out that my wife cheated on me for the first 2 years of marriage. This came to light after being married for 10 years. When brought to the attention of the elders, they said that since she has been a faithful member for a number of years, I couldn’t argue for divorce. If I did know earlier, divorce would definitely have been an option. I felt burned and disrespected by the elders, staying in a marriage that was in shambles.
They are professionals. Ho yes they know how to get down on the ground; aiming on you at the same time. Be careful you may not go out way with out getting hurt
I faded 2 years ago they have tried on several occasions to meet with me and my abusive spouse and I just respectfully decline and that's that, they are flesh and blood like me, I owe them nothing and nobody else does as well, if they text me to remind me of my baptism, I let them know I deal with that directly with Jehovah, they have left me alone for the most part the last 1.5 years except for a phone call from the CO inviting me to a meeting, I read a conspiracy about the meetings that they have subliminal messaging in the songs and you know what I wouldn't put anything past that organization, they are so hell bent on those meetings and your absolute attendance or blah blah blah
What the hell?! These kooks show up at your place of employment? Something is seriously wrong with someone that would do that! The definition of a CULT. I would be furious.
I got out very easy after about 8 years of fading away. An elder who knew me from childhood asked if we wanted to go out and just talk. I no I feel like a 12 year old boy around you. He said he understood and never called again. Not until last year did i wake up that this whole thing is a big scam. Because the books that I studied back in the 80s are obsolete so is my baptism. I got an amazing wife out of this and 3 kids. But we will never get back all the time we wasted being a JW.
Why even waste another moment with a meeting with them, and give them the feeling of power over you. Yes it is a feeling, in actuality they have no power.
The JW Organization would call it persecution if they had to face the Government Judicial System. The JW Organization is fine with using their members they believe are not following their standards. Hypocrisy to me. Fine for the JW Organization to persecute but against the JW Organization being persecuted.
As a child in 1955 to the 2014 year a witness no longer elders of which I was one they are foul Say no and then threaten them somehow to keep them away They will regret if they come near me.
The mere fact that yr your husband wasn't DF'd after having an affair for 2 years shows how corrupt their system is. 2 years isn't a moment of weakness. It takes planning and cunning to hide it for so long.
'Rude' ... is the incorrect word (or thought) to use in not accepting, what is 'in effect' a verbal invitation.(contract) to "meet" with you. PERIOD! As a living, breathing person (Sovereign individual) everyone has right to NOT accept an invitation to engage or interact with anyone, if you do not desire to. Is one obligated to answer or not answer a phone call? Individually that is the re-cipients choice. Same difference. And to, it is way beyond their so called authority to show up to one's place of employment to illegally engage in conversations of a personal, private manner.
I listen to your story good for you I hope it works out? Just one comment that you made you said your ex husband, he's not a bad person, but what he did was bad or did. This is how God views everybody, everybody's good but what they're doing is bad, we could learn from this that's why the JW look at persons is bad and gets disfellowshipped you can't talk to him for a year? They look in the worst of the persons read 1st Corinthians 4 vs 5 thanks I hope it works out for you
They have no authority over you unless you give it to them.
Agreed! 👌
Exactly
I agree 100%!
@Sheryl St. Germain , Once you learn that the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is actually Satan the filthy Abrahamic religions including the Jehovah's Witnesses make a lot more sense because the serve an evil false god.
All these billions of people today in this upside down world that serve YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, these so called Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity, Islam serve Satan as their god. They want you to serve him too.
The age of the evil false god of Abraham is passing away, his time is short.
Perfect
When I left back in May of 2004, I returned all the contents of my elder's brief case and left them piled on the library table. Several of the local elders tried to catch me at home to no avail. Then one Sunday afternoon while I was dining at a local pizza parlor, one of the elders spotted me and came over to my table and boldly stated that a meeting with the body and the circuit overseer was necessary. I replied that I was dining, and that his intrusion upon my privacy was unwelcome, bordering on harassment. It would be almost two years before I would encounter him again, this time at my home. Someone had reported a campaign sign in my front yard and obviously this had to be looked into. After them knocking on my door like the house was on fire, I answered it and upon recognizing them (full suit and tie in 105 F Arkansas heat in the middle of July), I asked that they leave my property immediately or I would report them for trespassing. They never came back.
Thanks for sharing, Rick. An invasion on privacy is exactly how it felt.
Every ex-member I hear from tells me nothing good about this religion. I investigated the church many years ago but declined to be baptized.
@@scottbrandon9390 you are so lucky. I did a little bit of research but still went ahead and got baptised because Ihad made friends in the organisation and didn't know the real dirt on them
Hell Yeah! When I left in 1993 I was bullied by the elders but I was only 17 and never looked back and my pop was a highly respected elder and my family was the rockstars of jw's so I was the black sheep but didn't want any part of it. Long story the elders bullied me and didn't work, then my pop questioned shit and almost beat the shit out of one elder in a meeting one night after a meeting and long story short my pop threw off his tie and pretty told the elders to fuck off and never looked back. They were in shock and it was that day my dad woke up and left and soon my mom and brother left and we became a happier family. No bullshit. : )))
Bravo !
As a former Elder pioneer , I live in England those words touched my heart. Excellent advice 👍 believe me elders are flawed, have no holy spirit, well done you 🙂
Thanks, and for sharing. 😊
@@LivingTruth1 Are you on Facebook ?
@@christopherparker804 Not with Living Truth, yet.
@@LivingTruth1 You are excellent I would definitely follow you if you did, take care ❤️ Love from England
Thank you for sharing. As an ex-JW woman who left my ex-husband because of abuse, it was the behaviour of these intrusive disgusting elders that helped wake me up. They are more concerned with ‘helping’ you back into a toxic relationship to keep their membership numbers, then your well-being.
Do not give in. You’re in control of your life. You and ONLY you get to decide who meets with you or not. It’s Your life. They do not dictate your life.
True words! Thanks 🤗
Elders are not friends: I was betrayed by my "Elder Friend"
You right they not friends
@@mandisamtshemla481 Hi Mandisa where are you, in South Africa?
Hello I'm in Johannesburg
@@mandisamtshemla481 Great to meet you,if you wish you could contact me on 0722781525 or mail hudson@precisionsurveys.co.za. I am currently in discussions with Carte Blanche about the JW Org
No, the reality is once you leave they are no longer your friend.
Sad but true.
At no point are they or were they your friend. Just like a police officer is not your friend, even when they appear friendly, an elder is not your friend even when they appear friendly. Treat them the same, because they have the same function in your life (reinforcing the laws and rules created by others).
im not a jw and never have ben but have a jw friend. I'm fascinated by the stories and in amazement at the power these elders hold over everyone. good for you for getting free. your stories will help free more in this cult. you are so soft spoken and smart. God bless you in every way!!!
That’s so kind of you. Thank you 🙏 😘
I have heard people told the elders that they would bring their attorney with them to the meeting. Elders canceled the meeting!
I’ve heard this before too. Whatever works for that person, I guess.
I second that motion. They have no authority over you. When and if they call me to their little s$?/t show I’m gonna continue my life.
Good call.. always move forward. 🤗
Thats called harassment and in some countries it's called persecution.
Elders are nobodies with suits on, the title don't mean a damn thing in the real working world.
Years ago when 22 I had moved back into my JW mom's house and I had been at a party full of DF'd people where some drama had gone down and elder from their congregation called and asked me who was there and what went on. I started to answer, then it clicked that nobody there was a witness and told him it was none of his business and hung up on him. the look on my mom's face was priceless!!!
I agree, there is absolutely no point in answering to them on all that.
This cult often uses it's members to manipulate non jdub family and friends. The stench of this pyramid scam wafts far from the KH doors.
As someone who went through this sort of thing in my congregation, I totally understand. I was a regular pioneer who was dating a sister who was from another country in my hall. She went home and we broke up for various reasons. (I felt it was nobody's business.) I was going through many other problems at the time. I was struck by a car during my pioneer school break and never finished. Also, the brother who studied with me while I was a kid and who was a father figure to me growing up had cancer and was dying at the time. (Yes he passed.) However, the elders in my congregation believed my girlfriend and I were sleeping together (we weren't). I was removed as a pioneer because I was short by about 10 hours for the previous year and was showing short on the time for that year. (Hit by a car and I had some trouble for the first few months recovering.) I felt the stress was just too much and needed some long-term alone time, and began to miss meetings. Two elders came to my door and kind of pushed past me into my home even though I told them it was a bad time. We discussed some things and in the middle of the discussion, I told them that I was sick of all the disrespect I was getting in the hall and asked them "if you weren't elders and you pushed their way into my house what do you think a guy like me would do to you?" With raised eyebrows, they immediately apologized for the intrusion. Come to think of it that discussion was the first time anyone told me that the elders believed I had been sleeping with my GF, and that was the reason why I was removed as a pioneer. I thought they were just heartless jerks who didn't care I got hit by a car. Mrs. Living Truth, I understand this problem that people are having with over intrusive elders and agree. However, I really feel you should have told them about your husband's infidelity. Perhaps your elders were better than mine and would have treated you with more respect. It angers me to see innocent people suffer because of elders who think they're the sh*t and show no respect to fellow worshipers. Call me crazy if you want, but I believe Jehovah exists while I have doubts about if he is who he says is; I've seen too much to not think something is going on in an unseen place. I also believe he is going to destroy this organization for all the damage it has caused to its own people. Sorry for the essay and lots of love to you and yours.
Thanks for sharing. :)
One time I asked to meet with elders because of a situation and they refused (true story) ... the very next day they heard through the grapevine what was happening to me and called me to ask for a meeting! I was thinking: “ oh heck NO! Never again will i meet with another elder! I’m done!” If you don’t care about me/ then I don’t care about you!
Ha! No doubt, I would feel the same way.
I tell my children to not look left or right, nor back, rather look and move forward. I would ignore the elders completely. Learn from your experience, take what is good, and continue walking your path forward.
Good advice. Thanks 😊
If you want your personal problems to be known by many people, please go to the elders.
When I became a auxiliary apostate the elders came calling and I showed them a Lloyd Evans video on my phone. I told them Lloyd Evans is telling the truth. One Elder looked at Lloyd Evans beard and said to me would you listen to someone with a beard. I said Jesus had a beard and you listen to him. I'm now a regular apostate my goal is to be a special apostate . Dear sister you should have said to the elders I'll meet with you two at a fancy restaurant and you two pay my bill.love justin porter ex jw
Haha… I lost my appetite though, so no need to commit to that length of time staring at each other over food.
Although, I could’ve taken it to go 🤔 lol
Watch Tower dream killers.
@@LivingTruth1 Bon Apeti .
Jesus didn't go to hookers
I can so relate, will not meet I just stop going o love all those elders, but I don’t have anything to tell them, living my life the same way, just don’t need their meetings , the religion added to my depression.
Thanks for sharing. 😊
I'm glad you shared this...in my opinion no one should feel obligated to meet. Sure wish I had seen this video 10 years ago 😂. You are doing so much good by sharing. Love it 🤍
@Sheryl St. Germain really good point. I forgot that they would count time for the visit. Ugh...
Thanks Brenda- agreed, if only I had the confidence that I have now. And it would’ve been great to have this community then. But hey, life experience can’t be taught any other way than going through the mud. 😘🙌
I'm so sorry for your situation. Some of my best friends were Elders who never spoke to me again after I resigned. I wish you the best with the rest of your life.
An elder going to your place of employment is rude. It puts your job at risk. Do not second guess this. The elder was in the wrong.
Agreed!
I had them tell me that if I didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear they would go and talk to my neighbors !!
Elders always want to blame the woman when a marriage breaks up. My ex cheated on me, too. Even though he was "worldly" the elders chose his side. Yup. Been there, done that. That's how it goes with those JW men.🤦♀️
Good on you for speakn your truth to these control freaks and fakes " totally conditional' I feel you wen you think you know them and have shared your life with some so good on you and thanks for a great explanation of how it was, and how it is all the best.
Thanks, and for your comment.
I told an elder that showed up at my door that I would be happy to talk to him, in fact, I have a lot of “apostate” information to share because I’m an activist!! Before I could say “come in,” he literally RAN to his car to escape!!! He never came back 👏🥴
Haha, way to scare him off.
@@LivingTruth1 - When you use “apostate” & “activist” in the same sentence, he looked like he had seen Satan himself.. lol
As a non-JW and a practicing Catholic, I would love to meet with these elders! I would bring a small library of books and resources with me. I would ask very serious questions about the origins of this Watch Tower scam. Sadly, the only JWs I have ever talked to are the pioneers. Your testimony is very informative. I appreciate your witness. God bless!
I know how that feels. It’s soo annoying like their bunch of mosquitoes that sucks the blood out of u and still won’t give up. It’s like, what else do u want from me.
Tell them to meet at the bar and have some fireballs then we’ll talk.
😂 The best!
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I am so glad that you are setting your boundaries and have set them and I am glad you are getting set free. Both of my brothers were disfellowshipped and had large families but they eventually got set free by death. Please keep up the videos and help those that are bound by this religion
Thank you for sharing and the encouragement 🤗
Take a deep breath , do whatever you want to do.
Well done I agree
It looks like you are already in paradise 😇 Once you realize that they have no power over you , you see how pathetic these people really are ! I agreed to meet them and then stood them up, they wasted Years of my life so wasting a hour of their time felt good 👍
Of course I got dfed ,but that was already decided .
Thanks for your insight
Thanks for sharing.
Agreed, this location feels likes paradise sometimes :)
Awesome video! Keep going strong!
Thank you 😃
So proud of you sister!!! 😊 You're absolutely right it's between you and God if that's what you believe in. Those elders have no right to be prying in your personal life. Growing up and the Jehovah's Witnesses I myself never got a break from them not really. I'm trying to I guess you might say reason with the ones that are still in and let those that are out know they're not alone. when I was growing up I was taught that Jehovah loves everyone, but the way that most of the Jehovah's Witnesses act it's despicable.
Thanks :)
My pleasure!💙🤗
Thank you for sharing this traumatic period of your life, it must have been very difficult for you on so many levels, you kept your dignity and handled all the issues very intelligently, I must say I think your laid back persona helps, elders should never come to your place of work, it is definitely an impertinence which you managed the best way possible, not all elders are as intrusive and thoughtless as this, and others don't know any better, while the majority though are on an ego trip with these situations, very encouraging the way you rose above all this sad control game of watchtower, very inspiring indeed, I am going through something similar over my dear wifes passing from Leukaemia, though the elder concerned is aware of the failings of Watchtower and is very sympathetic to my corncerns with the religion, he's been a life long friend who I grew up with in the Borg. Keep up the good work, you are helping so many become free of the shackles of this cult........😇
PS: There is one positive from watchtower, and that is I would never have met my beautiful wife to share lifes moments with, and two good looking sons who are also with me in my fade out of the matrix.........🥰
That is a positive 🤗. Thank you for sharing. x
Excellent points, excellent everything!
The elders have zero authority over anybody and need to know their role....at least that was my attitude! Bravo!
Great example of maintaining your dignity and being in control!
I try my best. :)
Great topic !!!
Strong Story, sister
Strong Personality, sister
Wonderful...🙏🏻🔜🙏🏻
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Good for you hunny x
"conditional relationship" describes the entire religion to a tee
Chosing not meeting these men who call themselves "elders" is not rude. There just power hungry men with no professional training. Meeting in a neutral ground is a great idea. If it wasn't for this cult, these men would just be a strangers. You don't owe them anything. Take your power an control back! Just don't respond to an request these men want. At the end of the day, they don't even care about individuals. I enjoyed the video.
Thanks, and for sharing your thoughts here. 🙏
Hi Tammy, I watched this video again. Back a few years ago, when we were coming out, the elders ask us to meet with them multiple times. I kept telling my hubby to say no because I knew what there going to do and I just didn't want to make time to listen to their shenanigans. But they used that against me at one point. Now reflecting on it, that's what they do. I'm very glad to not be a part of it now. But looking back on it now, it so cruel. I just want say thank you for your videos they helped me alot. Hope all is well. Take care!
I had a similar experience too
No why give them your time unless they clean your window for free
Same thing happened to a friend I've known for 43 years. Had been in the Truth for her whole life youth up. All 5 children to meetings...service...etc. Do to her husband similar issues as yours. She was ultimately disfellowshipped with no useful answer as to why. She followed all procedures to be able to come back...but never did. Sad after all of her life around the clock with the Truth. This is just 1 if the many reasons I myself backed away so many years ago myself.
I have Christ in my life, baptized, saved Christian and Father God in my life daily. I am happy in the Lord. God knows what hes doing. I am blessed. Good Journey to you.
Thanks for sharing. :)
They can kick rocks. They have no authority over anyone.
It’s never rude to decline any meeting with anyone.
Thank you for making this video. I wish I knew this information before i got out of the JW organization.
I hope this will helps for future friends that want to leave.
Thanks for being here. x
Lovely video and excellent advice about neutral ground. Horrible unloving people. Well played you!
Thank you 😊
What a wonderful speaker. You are very strong, and not in your face “apostate”. I thoroughly enjoyed your program.
I’m sorry the things you’ve gone through. I wish you well.
What state is that? I love the video on the beach. It’s like a walk with good conversation.
Be well.
Kansas Lady
Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed. The location is at Vancouver, BC Canada.
Take care 😊
Refusing the elders... Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t. So it’s a matter of lesser of two evils. Refusal means they can right away disfellowship you. Meeting them can still mean you get disfellowshipped or they may go light on you.
Pretty much- it’s a walk on egg shells at that point, tread lightly!
OR just don’t go at all! 👌😊
When I got disfellowshipped I took all of my books 📚 and briefcase 💼 that was giving to me went to an elders house and left everything on the hood of his car. That was the end of it I never stepped foot in the congregation again.
Thank you for sharing!
I declined the meeting, explaining that they could have the meeting without me. 40 years ago!
He was just hitting on you to see if you were weak.
He is the one who should have been reproved!!!
I don’t think he was hitting on me, at all. It’s more when an elder is ‘assigned’ to help the ‘weak’, that the perceived friendship hat comes off and the elder hat goes on.
Confusing for a ‘friendship’.
If you send in a disassociation letter the elders stop trying to get you back into the cult, then you start having a real life, free of brain twisting manipulation.
That’s a choice for sure. Thanks for sharing.
When you are JW everyone is your friend when you leave they’re no longer your friend anymore it’s like having a contract, for my part I could careless because I was never attached to anyone in particular one sister I thought was my friend told me straight if you leave the truth that’s it for our friendship frankly I rarely remember her, I don’t let no one intimidated me.
Rude? That elder coming to your work place immediately struck me as "creepy" and yes, very inappropriate. These elders have no sense of protocol. It's sad that during these times when they chase and try to corner JW women, it bolsters their ego and displays their misogyny. I don't think they go around cornering JW men at their work place.
We said we didn’t want a shepherding call. They called anyways. Made the mistake of letting them in. Was told I should not do any research on the Borg, before they bolted for the door, with the standard expression… “We aren’t getting anywhere here.”. Now that was rude.
This is a beautiful video in a lovely setting. The sound and the wind noise did not disturb me one bit. I particularly enjoy the posts that explain the monstrous loonacy of what j dubs put up with.
Glad you enjoyed it!
you have a good head on your shoulders , awesome video ....
btw when we meet again in real life , your getting the biggest most awkward hug ever :D
Thank you 🤗
Hey you!
Great video!!
Mr Greg. It’s been a while.
Thanks 🤗
Send me an email, livingtruthmatters@gmail.com
@@LivingTruth1 Yes it has!!
Looks like your doing well.
Also looks like your videos are really getting some exposure.
@@LivingTruth1 I will for sure!
I’m actually involved in a court case that is before the BC Supreme Court regarding my records that the cong. has. I would love to tell you about it.
I want to hear about that for sure. Let’s chat 😊
Nah, don't waste your time. Let them stalk someone else.
They kept coming to my work as well. I never met with them. I had no reason to talk to them anymore.
It becomes pointless.
Good for you! All the best to you.
Thank you! You too!
Check Lloyds video on Shunning. Versus that debunked shunning
Stalking you at work crosses a line. If he was cheating you made the right decision to leave. No one's business. My condolences for having gone through this.
The elders side with the man/husband- even in my case where husband was not even baptized, cheated years before and fessed up to the elders.
That seems to be fairly common, unfortunately. :(
They demand ,when they should ask !....If they demand too much ,that's not good news for you 🤪😅😅😅
True!
If you dont give them power, they don't have any power. You need not say another thing to them. Dont let them believe that they can require anything from you, but you can require them to leave your life. If you are really done with them, then be done with them. No need to have any care of what the think or do. Slam the door on that chapter in your life.
Hello Again, I watched this before but after watching it again. That what an elder said to we should have talked before you made up your mind to leave. Trying to talk me back in i guess. Thanks again all your videos
Hello Ronnie, thanks for sharing.
@@LivingTruth1 Thank YOU!
Good for you. I left JW hall and they did not reach out to me because i was known for telling the elders what was on my mind.
I found out that My ex husband told the elders and congregation i cheated and he remarried
He cheated not me. I attended a wedding and everbody seemed surprised i was there. I informed them that he cheated. They were shocked. He new wife found out that day she married the cheater. Lol
I have an experience similar to yours. After 14 years of marriage, I found out that my wife cheated on me for the first 2 years of marriage. This came to light after being married for 10 years. When brought to the attention of the elders, they said that since she has been a faithful member for a number of years, I couldn’t argue for divorce. If I did know earlier, divorce would definitely have been an option. I felt burned and disrespected by the elders, staying in a marriage that was in shambles.
Thanks for sharing. It's such an awful thing to go through. Be well.
They are professionals. Ho yes they know how to get down on the ground; aiming on you at the same time. Be careful you may not go out way with out getting hurt
What a beautiful woman you are! How any man can treat you badly is a mystery to a bachelor like me : ) Glad that you are out of that evil cult!
Thank you. :)
I faded 2 years ago they have tried on several occasions to meet with me and my abusive spouse and I just respectfully decline and that's that, they are flesh and blood like me, I owe them nothing and nobody else does as well, if they text me to remind me of my baptism, I let them know I deal with that directly with Jehovah, they have left me alone for the most part the last 1.5 years except for a phone call from the CO inviting me to a meeting, I read a conspiracy about the meetings that they have subliminal messaging in the songs and you know what I wouldn't put anything past that organization, they are so hell bent on those meetings and your absolute attendance or blah blah blah
What skyline behind you? Seattle?
Vancouver, BC
What the hell?! These kooks show up at your place of employment? Something is seriously wrong with someone that would do that! The definition of a CULT. I would be furious.
I got out very easy after about 8 years of fading away. An elder who knew me from childhood asked if we wanted to go out and just talk. I no I feel like a 12 year old boy around you. He said he understood and never called again. Not until last year did i wake up that this whole thing is a big scam. Because the books that I studied back in the 80s are obsolete so is my baptism. I got an amazing wife out of this and 3 kids. But we will never get back all the time we wasted being a JW.
Thanks for sharing, and looking at the positive side too- you got your amazing wife and kids. 🙌🤗
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Why even waste another moment with a meeting with them, and give them the feeling of power over you. Yes it is a feeling, in actuality they have no power.
Just to the few that have problems of a more ,a more personal nature
Aaaarrrrrr yeah!!
Good on you ! Great advice. They lost the power over you
Second Beach 🏖️
Good Bye Watchtower! The Tower is Falling!
How’s you going beautiful? happy new week take care.
Thanks Danny! Have a great week. 😀
@@LivingTruth1 please please ,God is love,jesús love’s you.
The JW Organization would call it persecution if they had to face the Government Judicial System. The JW Organization is fine with using their members they believe are not following their standards.
Hypocrisy to me. Fine for the JW Organization to persecute but against the JW Organization being persecuted.
If the elders show up at work again call the police
When elders want a meeting, 10/10 they have agenda to either counsel or find a way to disfellowship you.
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NO!!
As a child in 1955 to the 2014 year a witness no longer elders of which I was one they are foul
Say no and then threaten them somehow to keep them away
They will regret if they come near me.
You seem like a great lady.
I wish you God's blessing & equally a wonderful future new husband.
People, it's your life and your choice.
The worst thing this organization do to people is treating them like children and they start to behaving so
I said no to a meeting, and it felt like a baby puking over their face. They were shocked,
Yeah they're not used to having a follower not following them. Good for you!
The mere fact that yr your husband wasn't DF'd after having an affair for 2 years shows how corrupt their system is. 2 years isn't a moment of weakness. It takes planning and cunning to hide it for so long.
Definitely not a moment of weakness!
Thanks for for comment.
@@LivingTruth1 Doesnt it feel great knowing they don't have any power over you anymore?
Most definitely!!!
'Rude' ... is the incorrect word (or thought) to use in not accepting, what is 'in effect' a verbal invitation.(contract) to "meet" with you. PERIOD! As a living, breathing person (Sovereign individual) everyone has right to NOT accept an invitation to engage or interact with anyone, if you do not desire to. Is one obligated to answer or not answer a phone call? Individually that is the re-cipients choice. Same difference. And to, it is way beyond their so called authority to show up to one's place of employment to illegally engage in conversations of a personal, private manner.
You Go Girlfriend...
Yo go girl.
Hell no it's not rude, you have a right to politely decline.
I listen to your story good for you I hope it works out? Just one comment that you made you said your ex husband, he's not a bad person, but what he did was bad or did. This is how God views everybody, everybody's good but what they're doing is bad, we could learn from this that's why the JW look at persons is bad and gets disfellowshipped you can't talk to him for a year? They look in the worst of the persons read 1st Corinthians 4 vs 5 thanks I hope it works out for you