Sparring longswords? A sort-of review of the Todesca and the King
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Hey all! My health hasn't been that great lately, so making videos has slowed down significantly. I did have some recorded sparring bouts with the Todesca lying around, so I decided to do a video on Sparring safe longswords. Why use them if we have feders? Why are we seeing so many of them now all of a sudden and what did I look like when doing HEMA more than 10 years ago? All these questions and more I'll answer in this video. Enjoy!
0:00 Intro
1:26 What is a sparring longsword anyway?
1:51 Timejump to the 16th century
3:05 Timejump to 2010
4:36 Why use a Sparring Longsword instead of a feder?
6:36 Todesca vs King: stats
7:31 Todesca vs King: safety
8:20 Todesca vs King: durability
9:14 Todesca vs King: handling
11:59 Conclusions
Fencers: Stefan, Nick and Oskar
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Very informative and inspiring. Awesome sport.
Thanks!
Great info
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome!
I`ve been keeping a close eye on the King shorty for a while, but hadn't heard of the Todesca yet. Very nice sword and since I don't really compete in tournaments and do sparring only in my club, it might be a better fit for me. And here I thought my internal struggle for a decision was over...
Did you make the scabbard yourself or did you ask Malleus Martialis to make you one?
Also nice Divinity 2 music. :-)
Hehehe, have fun debating with yourself. In truth, you'll probably like both very much and the difference are minor compared to standard feders. I built the scabbard myself, but I hear Malleus make very nice ones too. ;)
@@VirtualFechtschule I see. Thank you for your answer. I allready made a scabbard for my current longsword and still have enough leather left over to build a second one.
Greetings and thanks again.
Malleus were at it before bf did steel. :)
very pretty pieces you got there!
Ah, I see. My bad! But yes, they're very shiny indeed! :D
It's a shame I'm not looking for a longsword at the moment, the Todesca looks perfect for me.
It's pretty amazing indeed!
Hoi Oskar,! Great detail in your review! I love your breakdown on the concept of just what a sparring longsword is, especially. I'm very interested in this topic as for me sparring longswords are what I want to fence longsword with, especially coming from Italian traditions where the 'feder' style isn't really a thing.
A question on the King, what is your impression of the flexibility of its blade? I hear good things about safety, but a friend of mine was very disappointed with his one as he found the blade excessively whippy and uncontrollable. You didn't mention this, so I guess you didn't find it a problem? Interested in your input.
Hi Mike, I think the flexibility is pretty good to be honest. It is a bit whippy in the weak of the blade, but you shouldn't try to apply pressure with that part anyway. As long as your edge alignment is not completely off and you put pressure with the strong it's fine. That said, personally I've gotten used to the flex on SIGI longswords, as I use a Concept Feder for sparring and tournaments.
Many thanks, @@VirtualFechtschule. It's funny, my correspondent said he liked the flex on the Sigi feder but he couldn't deal with the wobbliness of the King. I wonder is he got an exceptionally light one. Appreciate the input, I am feeling more positive towards the King, now.
Nice video. Too bad he didn't get the King Shorty for a better comparison - it has shorter handle and length, very close proportions to a Liechtenauer as well but hits lighter. On the topic of edge damage - people should check their feders for damage as well. The modern feder "history lesson" is presented very nice.
As a sidenote, I have the opposite experience - when I got to longsword I used blunts and my favourite one is still the Albion Liechtenauer. Only recently got into the Feder practice and now really enjoy the King Shorty.
It would have been a more suitable comparison, but then again: it's the comparison we could make. :) I think I used a Liechtenauer once or twice and it was actually pretty nice. The biggest problem with them now is that they're pretty difficult to get over here.
@@VirtualFechtschule yes, unfortunately everything from Albion is hard to get now. And a lot of people also don't want to fence against their swords, so for many it's not very worth it to get them.
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing why are people not fencing them?
@@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing why are people not fencing them?
@@Heresjonnyagain they are build to behave very close to their sharp counterparts. So their mass distribution is such, that they hit pretty hard. Their edges are narrower than what most people are used to with feders, so it feels even harder. They flex quite well, but not so much as some modern feders like the SIGI, so it can feel pretty solid being thrusted with them. And finally they are very good steel and well tempered so they can chew through a lot of other swords. So basically they are pretty much the closest to a real sword you can get and that makes being on the receiving end more unpleasant
LOVE the DOS 2 BGM too and thanks for the insight!
I’m saddened the Todesca was given a longer hilt than the Cluny museum sword on which it was based, otherwise I would have snapped one up. Catering to big sparring gloves?
Catering to light and medium gloves. Big sparring gloves are still a bit too big for this handle.
I thought I wanted a Sigi King until I handled one, it feels slow and sluggish. Looks nice though.
I'm currently saving up for a Todesca so your review is highly appreciated. What worries me is to hear about the edge taking damage when used vs. a standard feder because most people I spar with use a Regenyei strong. My Aureus can endure high intensity vs any feder without taking damage thanks to the super thick edges. Handles much closer to a sharp than the Sigi King standard so I'm wondering how the Aureus and Malleus Todesca compare in terms of handling? Any info would be highly welcome. Also hoping the Sigi King Shorty handles closer to a longsword than the King standard, because I don't quite like the standard and already ordered a Shorty.
I have handled an Aureus feder before and the handling was great indeed. What I didn't like was the fact that it often just didn't bend on a thrust, whereas the Todesca does flex. I also prefer the Todesca for handling, because it just feels so light. The edges are an issue though, but shouldn't be exaggerated either. It's less durable than a feder because of thinner edges, but the people at Malleus know their metallurgy, so it doesn't lead to structural failure.
What feels more sharp like about the Aureus over the Sigi King?
@@Heresjonnyagain The Aureus has superb balance and mass distribution. POB is similar to the King but the Aureus just feels more like a real sword when I switch between the two, hard to put it into words. It's overall lighter than the King and yet doesn't get bullied by it in the bind. Aureus has plenty of flex in the top third of the blade (more than I need personally) but the lower two thirds are quite firm, making it less wobbly than Sigi blades. The Sigi King standard is too wobbly for my taste, the King Shorty is probably better but I can't review that one because my order hasn't arrived yet. Sigi wobbliness is not a problem if your edge alignment is perfect at all times but I'm not at that level yet. But even people with more experience than myself are surprised at how much nicer the Aureus feels compared to all the other feders, including the Sigi King.
@@VirtualFechtschule Any update on the durability of the 2mm Todesca edges? I have faith in Malleus metallurgy so not worried about blade breaks but worried about nicks and burrs that require filing. I'm very hesitant about steel trainers with thin edges, especially if they'll be almost exclusively used against steel feders with thicker edges. It's the only concern still holding me back from ordering a Todesca.