Massive 'Feder' HEMA Longsword Comparison: Krieger, Kvetun, Regenyei, Sigi & VB Swordshop
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2023
- Reviewing several HEMA 'feder' fencing longswords against each other at Schola Gladiatoria SG1. From Kvetun, Regenyei, Krieger USA, VB Swordshop & Sigi:
kvetun-armoury.com/
regenyei.com/
www.kriegerarmory.com/
www.swordsviktor.com/
sigiforge.com/
Please note an important correction: Contrary to what I believed when making this video, the standard Kvetun feder (FFG) IS STILL AVAILABLE AND IN PRODUCTION.
Sabers?
@@Diebulfrog79 Friend, you’re literally on the Internet.
Did you know that Russians loot and take away metal products from the occupied factories and warehouses of Ukraine? They have already stolen $680 million worth of steel.
I was expecting a review of a single, 12kg feder, a properly massive one, but I am happy with this review too.
Great to see you steel in hand. On Friday, you taught a "temple knight" on TV to fight with a wooden stick. 😄
So this was a documentary that was shown on Finnish television...
I was looking at feders for myself, really happy with a semi-comprehensive review thank you Matt
Absolutely great video! This is exactly what i was looking for. I ordered the kvetun Lichtenauer and I am looking forward to do soli drills in my garden. Thanks for this great test and your Review in the end!
Just a reminder that the Krieger has a fairly large grip (it was too big for Valerie's hands).
It is an American sword. I found it to be super comfortable and have big hands. Lots of European kit I've found to be quite small in the hands. Krieger would probably mod the hilt upon request.
was nice hearing everyone's opinions and seeing some actual sparring. 👌
Was a pleasure to watch! so well done!
Fucking hilarious that the mic picked up a fart at 22:59
amazing technology
I usually compare HEMA to golf. You can go out and purchase a basic/bog standard set of golfing equipment and enjoy playing golf and never switch out or change gear unless something breaks, and you dont even need ALL the accessories; same with HEMA, a basic HEMA feder/sword, the basic protective gear and you are good to go; can you upgrade/buy more expensive gear, absolutely; you might like a particular look or aesthetic; or you really enjoy proving yourself at the various tournaments and the more expensive, top of the line gear, may give you a competitive edge or there is a particualr style of weapon that you want to represent (I am in process of getting a custom made feder based on the Royal Armories IX 1787 because club uses the texts of Harley, Silver and other English masters)
Love this type of video. It reminds me of yours and lindybeiges older colaborational videos.
That Krieger one that you have is Awesome looking!! I don't even practice HEMA and it makes me want to buy one and start. I only wish that there were some HEMA clubs here in Western New York bc it looks fun.
Great comparison vid! I find it interesting that the standard Sigi feder is nearly identical in price to the Kvetun 1570 - which looks much more refined.
I have to admit, yes. The Kvetun 1570 is a WAY more advanced design, for only 20 Euros more. To me the Sigi seems on a par with the standard feders from Kvetun and Regenyei, but those are much cheaper.
Well done. If I'm ever in the market for a new feder, I'll have to check those out.
Good video probably getting one of the liechtenauers they look promising. Regarding to the VB Swordshop Feder i did some research because i wondered about its weight and i found out that the original was declared a "Paratschwert" or parade sword for doing artistic pieces but not real everyday fencing. There are apparently some poems and instructions from that time that tell that you should jump around strike jump around again and so on to impress the audience .
Apparently those swords were carried by someone experienced leading the Fencing school in a parade. I remember some of the originals that were maybe used for fencing were around 1,3 kg one in the Met Museum done by Diefstetter. Would explain why it handles so powerful.
Great video, Matt! Nice to hear you guys are pleased with Kvetun's newer feders and with Krieger's Sentinel. Do you know how the latter compares with the Sigi King?
Also, have you or anyone in your club ever handled a Regenyei Trnava? If you did, I'd really like to hear about it.
Thank you very much for your awesome content!
I enjoyed this quite a lot, love that Krieger, Id likely go for that one. Wish i knew of a club to attend!
If you find the SIGI's handle slippery, get a tennis racquet handle wrap. It's anti-slip and makes the handle thicker.
Thanks for the video
Hello Matt. Do you think that HEMA can help to understad how the wepons wear used in the medieval Europe? Thanks for an interesting channel and greetings from Sweden.
HEMA is literally the study of historical fighting treatises, so yes. That's exactly what it does :-)
@@scholagladiatoria Thanks for the response Matt. 🖖🖖
huh, odd, we've got Castille, Blackfencer, Kvetun, and Three types of albion, we'll see if we can do a similar review!
Seems the VB would be good for solo drills on how to use a montante
Possibly, depending on your height. For me it would be too short, but we certainly have club members who are about the right height for it to be a montante trainer.
I also hope this has been useful. I'll check it again before I buy my next practice sword
Oh man... I'm somewhat short of one year into HEMA. I recently bought my own mask as previously it always worked out to use one from the club. I'm now looking into getting a Feder or sword.
I'm wondering if I should get a Feder which does it's job but doesn't cost that much or if I should get a customized SigiKing which would allow me to make it look almost exactly like what would be my dream sword and wouldn't look off as a reenactment prop.
It's 260€ vs 560€. I guess I'll will eventually end up owning both as many other members of my club have more than one "blade" in their arsenal...
I'm indecisive if I should go all in that early on. I've handled Kings before as the more experienced members often bring in all their Feders to allow beginners to handle steel in the begginers course (consisting of solo drills and slow partner exercises). I definitely know I wouldn't regret it as I just love how it handles but I'm afraid it is a bit pretentious to buy a SigiKing as my first weapon. I also think that eventually I might be one of the "journeyman" or "not a beginner anymore"-people and I kinda want to be someone who is able to give an beginner the opportunity to hold a steel weapon without using one of the clubs plastic wasters myself.
The VB Feder im considering to get (Federsword for Torney and free fight) could be on my doorstep within less than a week as it's more of a off the shelf thing while I would wait for the SigiKing for half a year unless it will be ready faster than the estimated fulfillment time in their FAQ.
I've heard people in my club tell me to start with a Feder to get the extra finger protection of the Schilt. Another one told me he started with a Feder and got another sword later and know thinks that he should have went with that one in the first place... I'm a little bit overwhelmed and I'm juggling around the pros and cons of my options... I know it's always better to look for advice from people that actually know oneself but... I guess I'll just ask for random advice. I think random people of the same interest may give me new views and insights to add to my pros and cons...
I'm very intrigued by the Kvetun Fiore (because it's slightly shorter and "Fioresque" than the Del Tin I'm currently using). Any chance you'll review that as well?
Note that this is a *massive comparison of feders*, not a *comparison of massive feders.*
That’s actually what I was hoping for at first
Well done.
Great video! Any thoughts on Aureus Swords ?
It's cool to hear from Matt Easton's Elite Guard.
Thanks Matt. Leaning hard towards the 1570. And their 1895 saber (sorry!).
I haven't seen many options for montante training swords. I have a Blackfencer synthetic zweihander, what else is available out there? What about in steel?
Any input (Matt or otherwise) on single-handed blunts and steel trainers? I'm looking for an analog of Albion's Huskarl, for be specific...anyway, it might be a good topic for Matt to touch on, what with his extensive experience.
What blade stiffness do you recommend for regenyei?
Wow, fantastic comparison, I really liked the varied input from everyone. Also does anyone know how an Aureus compares to the Kvetuns?
Haven't seen the 2 new ones yet but I've used the standard Kvetun and own an Aureus as well as a variety of Sigi and Regenyei federn. Imho the Aureus feder is the only one I've used that I'd put in the "5th gen fighter jet" category (espcially in terms of handling) but since production times are so long and the price is quite high, I'd not recommend it as a first feder. Very curious about the 2 new Kvetun models, especially the Lichtenauer since I mostly practice from earlier sources.
@@heirihunziker huh, good to know. Thanks for sharing 😊
So we are getting a review where a viking was present, sorry he looked like a viking haha.
Awesome review helps me allot for when i buy a new feder in the future.
Hey Matt!
Thank you for this video! It was very interest to see the different Feders available.
But I noticed that your school has a rather small room and your fencers fight in small squares. My club trains in a school gym with much space. Do you notice any difference between peopl who train in your school and other fencers? Are there any advantages or disadvantages?
We have two venues and the other one has a lot more space, but honestly no, I don't notice much difference in the end results.
@@scholagladiatoria Interesting. I would have assumed that people who learn to fight in smaller spaces might tend to move less during the fight and stay closer to the opponent.
Matt…. Need you to get on an 1821 heavy cavalry officer’s sword (with the 1845 pattern fullered blade) replica with museum replica’s
I know most people here like medieval stuff, but I wanted to know what people use to train sabers and rapiers. You know, the swords that are actually worth your while 😝
I see that Kriegerarmory have updated their swords after your video to increase rigidity.
Have you had the chance to check the updates versions?
Hey, I actually have a question about your jacket -- is that a spes AP in white? I have been looking for a way to get a sort of tan/desert look going, and your jacket is the closest I've seen. It appears sort of off-white or gray in the video. Cheers!
were longswords still in military use until the 1570's hence that federschwert?
Meyer notes in the 1570 treatise that longswords weren't in much "earnest" use any more and part of his purpose in writing is to preserve the art. He still considered it the foundation of sword training, but use of the longsword itself was largely restricted to sport/demonstration.
Almost a magic trick. "Take a feder, any feder"
Just a thought: why don't more feders have very long fullers going down most of the length of the blade? It seems like the obvious design factor to exploit, considering the balancing act that's going into making a safe feder that also roughly represents a real sword (they basically have to try to make an object that's been optimised to kill and maim, do as little damage as possible while keeping as many of the core characteristics as possible lol)
I would assume it has to do with ease of manufacture. A good hollow grind or fuller is more complicated than flat or convex grinds.
My guess is manufacturing tolerance. A poorly done fuller can be a point of failure. I've seen on RUclips cheaper fullered feders snap in half
@@jritchey267 You could die forge them into the blade quite easily (doing that and the distil taper at the same time).
I wish you could throw a hanwie Kingston arms fedder in to compare. I never see them and It may be because people are afraid they will hold up for 1/5th the price.
Hey there, the Kingston arms and hanwei swords are actually banned from more tournaments due to shoddy quality control, from what I've heard they snap , a LOT, and not in a safe way
We have had a few, and I think they all broke quite quickly. A couple of them even broke on their first fight!
I have one and it’s been ok but I don’t use it much. The grinds in the fuller are a bit wonky and could be the source of weakness or stress points. The blade is a bit soft so maybe it can only be used against other soft swords .
@@scholagladiatoria maybe a destruction test would make a good video. It’s the cheapest option to destroy. I would love to see that😊
I've been using a Kingston Sport Feder for about 4 months now. Everything is still tight and solid. A couple of small nicks but nothing major. The grip is a bit thin for me when I wear my spes clamshell gloves.
The only reason I'm looking to replace it is because I misread the list of tournament approved feders. Castille is local (I live in Oregon) but expensive. The 1570 and the Regenyei both sound like great options. Now I just need to make a choice. Decisions decisions...
tried only Kventun and Regenyei and i prefer Regenyei i dont know much about other feder brands. sabers i think i prefer black fencer tho
I do like sigi a lot, but that is the same problem i and most other people seem to have. The grip is just too small. Their katana has the same problem as well.
That being said, the grips/backstraps on their sabres are absolutely the best
If only the Krieger wasn't so expensive. £410+ shipping from the US and import tax etc really starts to add up! 😥 Maybe if HEMA was my only sport, I could afford one.
By contrast, the Kvetun seems pretty comparatively priced, not much more than a standard Regenyei and for a more refined design, seems like a good deal.
The waisted grip option on the Sigi eliminates the problems you encountered IMO. It's flatter on the sides for better edge alignment and flared out at the bottom of the hand for a more secure grip. I think it's just a straight upgrade.
🙂
Anybody else noticed the 'strange' sound at 23:00? :D
that's a pretty common sound^^
I am confused. Is Feder german or english or both? If it's both, is it pronounced the same in german or is it pronounced like the "Feder" from a bird?
So swords from Ensifer aren´t a thing anymore?
I just never see them in the UK. If they send me one, I'll review it.
@@scholagladiatoria They seem to be a bit expensive/overpriced, although I´m not familiar with the average price from other makers nowadays. Maybe that´s a reason for that rarity.
Hey, that VB review ain t really fair. That is the Italian true replica, but they produce one smaller and cheaper version called "Italian sport feder" which is actually a lot of fun to spar with. Problem with it is it bends quite often and need to get straighten up. But I still use it as a secondary feder with joy
Here was I expecting a review of massive feders. Lol
16:25 No innuendos Matt? What a shame! x)
He is in the fencing club so "at work"
Regarding the "ferdern" thing: I wish the English language was more flexible with plurals. I know a bit about quite a bit of languages and English is the only one that cares about how the original language pluralized their words. Most Romance languages just strap an -s to the end of the word.
I would have liked more fokus on flexibility. Its kind of important when the sword is literally called a spring...
The camouflage jacket definitively is muuuuuuch better looking than the usual t-shirt from a band of the 90’s.
Ok… I’m out (don’t bash, don’t bash).
I want hema montante 😢 so that I can fight and not injure ppl
I get that this is Matt's channel, but it seems like he's doing a fair amount of talking over his students when they're trying to give their feedback...
Kvetun Armory is probably the little thing that can give you a sense of joy for Russia, not as a state (because Kvetun is a completely private organization consisting of enthusiasts), but as a country with a wide variety of people.
such clickbait!
I was expecting "massive Feders" not a massive comparison.
an irrelevant comment
Awesome information there, now can someone explain why all the HEMA people are in black outfits, its incredibly boring to watch. HEMA should ban all black outfits, lets get something historical to look at.
Does Matt Easton support Ukraine?
Don't paint it a black and white situation. Both Governments at war are rotten throughout and China and Usa profit from the war.
He did talk about it shortly in some videos though and as far as I remembered he has a moderate western mainstream perspective on it. What he really thinks probably won't come on the internet and I like it that way.