One thing I dislike about fantasy analysts is when they say, MHJ is target competition for McBride and that's bad. Yes he's target competition, but he will also help open things up for McBride to have big plays and score those TDs he was missing.
My favorite thing about fantasy is the talk about the other players on the team when a player joins / leaves Weapon joins a team: "That just means he opens up space for everyone else" Weapon leaves the team: "without this target hog, he's gonna get so many more targets!" Generally I feel like only #2 happens lol
Are you by chance a Cardinals fan? Honestly…I feel like while definitely the WR 1/ 2 in draft and a top dynasty asset (I’m a Nabber guy over Marv) MHJ is 100% being over drafted. He is being drafted at close to his ceiling scenario for a guy that hasn’t played in the NFL before and a guy who is just starting to build that chemistry with his QB which is so so so important. Expecting him to reach that in his rookie year is placing a lot on him and the pick you are using on him in best ball. It’s why I tend to take the guys around him. Would I be shocked if he puts up 880-1000 yards…no, but that is a sizable ask.
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@@specstar8724 yea but rookie QB’s always have lesser passing stats year 1 especially when they are running QB’s. We might be looking at 3000 passing yards and 20TD’s being a wildly successful year for Daniels
@@justinromaine6781 Yeah I don't disagree with you. But Wentz had about 230 yards and 1.2 TDs per game. In a spread offense with no RBs I think Daniels can outdo that
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I was the most active waiver manager in my league. I had Njoku, Leporta, Tank Dell, Z. white, Trey McBride, and Rashee Rice. Most of these guys are not as good or better than they are being drafted. Leporta, McBride, Rice (pre-felony) much later. Tank Dell is fine and Z. White is the only appropriately current steal from that list. I think people are extremely optimistic. People got to be just trying to build hype because there’s not as many WR worth high picks this year and everyone obsesses over receivers.
I think you can only compare Njoku to McBride athletically .... but not in fantasy. The difference is the Quarterback play. Murray vs Watson. Which QB do you believe will have a stellar season out of these two? Njoku has too many appearances on the injury report for me. One more thing. Which offense are you investing in? Cleveland or Arizona? That's my opinion. Love your insight guys 🙏
What's driving me a little crazy about the channel right now is any time picks 10-12 come up, everyone goes "I hate being there". Guess what? I do too, but I have no choice in the matter. Some focus on who to take in those slots would be helpful instead of just pointing out how bad it is the be there.
I know I’m 2 weeks late but maybe D Jones being drafted so late is because….well Saquon going bye-bye. That 2022 season was also Saquon best season to date 😅
@UnderdogFantasy Hayden said he thinks he should go a little later and that Harrison could be negative. Never once mentored 3rd year progression for a great prospect which is super obvious
I wish they would talk more redraft… Terry is going in the 6th in redraft… I mean redraft is the most played format… I heard underdog has 3 WRs so ya, those WRs are gonna go early… but when you got an even 2 and 2… the whole landscape changes
I don't get the Drake London hype. He struggles to separate vs single coverage, isn't fast, isn't necessarily a god at contested balls. He has a RB in the backfield with godtier potential, and a QB who throws to whoever is open, not to whoever is covered but might catch it anyway... Drake London is being WAY overdrafted.
I couldn’t find any NFL players on pick’em in the underdog fantasy app that they showed at the 9:35 mark. Am I dumb or are the NFL players not showing for other people?
Daniel Jones doesn’t throw deep often enough to luck into a semi decent year again. Bad OL, bad RB, still only 1 good WR. The giants will play Lock at least 6 games this year
M.Wilson missed a bunch of games during McBride's run, too. I think there's a real chance Wilson is the actual #2 target earner in the offense behind Marvin, and people are drafting McBride like that's not a possibility. He looked very good as a rookie per-game and mostly played with Dobbs. There has to be some kind of significant fantasy falloff for McBride if he's falling from the #1 target earner to the #3 in the offense, which, by the way, is completely normal for TEs to be. Very few even really good TEs are more than the #2/3 option.
@@joeyruemenapp3509 Michael Wilson is a dog. Go watch his season highlights. Some of the worst games of McBride's season after he took over for Ertz, came when Wilson was on the field. Wilson only had a handful of games with Kyler. This isn't not going to be a thing, it's going to be a thing. I'm totally cool with McBride. I just think people need to be prepared for inconsistency because they're no longer drafting the #1, or potentially even the #2 target. He thrived on volume last year.
McBride?harrision remind me of LaPorta/Jones only flipped in who was the rookie. McBride was on pace for 140 targets with Murray. Wilson was a distant afterthought. It's pretty clear there is going to be a 1a and 1b in AZ only question is who is the 1a.
Austen Trey is the next Travis yes him and Njoku had the same output BUT Njoku didn't explode until Flacco was there whos now gone and Amari is a great wr who had prolific numbers at the same time but Trey was CLEARLY the Alpha in that offense once he started just use the eye test lol
God I don’t like going double rb 1 and 2 but I took Bijan at 6 and landed Gibbs at 19 and let me tell you the team looks good and it was a bbm draft too 😎
common sense says that russell wilson is being paid by the broncos to play against them and he's shown over the last 3 years that he is a terrible QB. I don't understand any of the pro russell wilson talk
Why does everyone sleep on evan engram, who finished 2nd in full and half ppr. 115 catches and almost 1000 yards. Kelce work load is going to go down. I think likely is going to play more this year for the ravens.
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I think Winkler is going to regret his Kenneth Walker take/projection. I’m also not as high on Charbonnet. Stashed him last year and watched a lot of his film, wasn’t really impressed with his tape.
How open is Trey McBride going to be? I’m betting Marvin Harrison is going to take the majority of the coverage you can make the argument. Trey McBride is going to be even better more practice more familiar more part of the scheme going to have Kyler Murray right from jump, it’s likely is going to be a much better team this year than they were last year with a lot more points scored. McBride could potentially be tight end 1 you just don’t know
Jameson Williams is the wr2 now …😅 Zay flowers is reasonable to say he climbs a little in his 2nd year .. Pitts has cousins so should be top 5 TE . Same thing for JSN. Lockett another year older JSN another year wiser 😂 😅 Same as flowers .
@@maskcollector6949 I don’t think so . Just lots of weapons on that team . JSN is a good . Just had a dip in qb play last year with geno, contract year we will see . I don’t think he was overrated I think people just underrated locket .
I don't understand why you think it matters if Marvin Harrison Junior is good. If he's good, then that means there will be less attention on Trey McBride, and he will be open more often sort of like all of those years on the Chiefs with Travis Kelce because defense had to worry about Tyreek Hill. As we learned last year, Kelce got bottled up when, he was their only good option. If Harrison is bad, then that just means McBride will be a target hog like last year. Really didn't make sense to me and he didn't elaborate on why he doesn't think Trey McBride will do well regardless of Marvin Harrison Junior being good or not.
You guys are so wrong about Scary Terry. I think you might be looking at whats on paper to much . He has had the worst Qbs his whole career and still gets his numbers. He is incredible but the world doesn't know him yet
Yup! Take the talent out of it, this is the first QB he has had who doesn’t have to worry about job security or making mistakes that is known for his deep ball while having an air raid offensive coordinator with no clear #2 WR. How does that not scream scary terry hours.
you talk about mcbride as if that was his absolute peak, people are projecting he can be even better being the no1 te all season. he is absolutely in totally different tier than david njoku, desean watson could be benched hes played so awful and most of njokus good play came from joe flacco last season
Fantasy community really disconnected from the WAS team still lol, at least you admit you're just now getting exposed to WAS. Luke McCaffrey was a qb not a rb so ya'll still really don't know what you're talking about, though.
Would rather take the discount on Achane in the 3rd round rather than reach for Gibbs late first, early 2nd. Pretty much the same back and Achane might be better...more efficient runner and better pass catcher!
@TheHoff305 I don't want either one of them. I traded for achane last year when he was suppose to be coming back from injury and he was hurt as soon as I got him 😅 maybe I'm just bitter about it lol
@cassiuscarter2832 cause he is being drafted at a ceiling he never come close to cause of a old arrow Roger's. Much rather have almost everyone but London around there
One thing I dislike about fantasy analysts is when they say, MHJ is target competition for McBride and that's bad. Yes he's target competition, but he will also help open things up for McBride to have big plays and score those TDs he was missing.
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My favorite thing about fantasy is the talk about the other players on the team when a player joins / leaves
Weapon joins a team: "That just means he opens up space for everyone else"
Weapon leaves the team: "without this target hog, he's gonna get so many more targets!"
Generally I feel like only #2 happens lol
You can argue that but when you have an MHJ it can reduce targets and targets is everything.
Are you by chance a Cardinals fan? Honestly…I feel like while definitely the WR 1/ 2 in draft and a top dynasty asset (I’m a Nabber guy over Marv) MHJ is 100% being over drafted. He is being drafted at close to his ceiling scenario for a guy that hasn’t played in the NFL before and a guy who is just starting to build that chemistry with his QB which is so so so important. Expecting him to reach that in his rookie year is placing a lot on him and the pick you are using on him in best ball. It’s why I tend to take the guys around him. Would I be shocked if he puts up 880-1000 yards…no, but that is a sizable ask.
They also never add in what QBs like. Kyler Murray loves his TE’s as a safety blanket and MHJ will open the middle up for em
Strongly encourage viewers to go back and look at the channel’s consistency and compare it to how many of their takes were correct.
It is astonishing.
Wdym
Miss for days. Its actually crazy
Do I go watch 3 years worth of videos for the answer, OR can you tell me if they were mostly right or wrong?
@@Nindoty231 they are some of the worst in the industry. rule of thumb dont trust betting sites. these guys work for underdog
Tell me the fucking answer.
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What was the Texans offense projected to do last season? A lot of this seems based in being sure of the current offensive projections for teams.
Hayden really high on Cleveland pass catchers with Watson looking like he has no dawg left
I love Amari, but not with Watson. If they signed Flacco I'm in.
@@rollotomassi4768 💯
Yea bruh no cap. Watson is ass too me. I hope the shoulder really was the reason for this
You got to think about this with scary Terry. He's been a steady 1000 yard receiver and the best QB he''s ever had is Carson Wentz.
I’m with Josh, I like Dotson (15:11).
Is Daniels better than Wentz? I doubt it in his rookie year
@@justinromaine6781 Probably. Wentz was trash with Washington. Not Colts Wentz
@@specstar8724 yea but rookie QB’s always have lesser passing stats year 1 especially when they are running QB’s. We might be looking at 3000 passing yards and 20TD’s being a wildly successful year for Daniels
@@justinromaine6781 Yeah I don't disagree with you. But Wentz had about 230 yards and 1.2 TDs per game. In a spread offense with no RBs I think Daniels can outdo that
I’m taking kw3 if he’s on the board in round 5-6, idk he just consistently gets yards and touchdowns
Yessir!
gets you to the playoffs but disappears when you need those points the most
It's K9
rb2 at best with that o line
Very TD dependent, but he gets them.
Chargers RG is actually going to be Tre Pipkins, not Jamaree Salyer.
Pipkins converted from RT to RG.
Smallest guy on that O line is Slater at 6’4.
arthur smith gonna rotate all his rbs, so good luck with Warren.
Pittsburgh getting excited for that bum is so hilariously ironic, like they didn't pay attention at all to how bad he is...
I think the head coach makes personnel decisions.
Given Smith’s rushing notoriety, Justin Field’s fits the bill better as his QB
love these kinds of discussions
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8:54 your little tease got at least one person excited 😂man I love fantasy
If such a thing exists for RBs, KWIII is the prime example of "better in best ball". He seemed very high variance in scoring relative to other RBs.
I was the most active waiver manager in my league. I had Njoku, Leporta, Tank Dell, Z. white, Trey McBride, and Rashee Rice. Most of these guys are not as good or better than they are being drafted. Leporta, McBride, Rice (pre-felony) much later. Tank Dell is fine and Z. White is the only appropriately current steal from that list. I think people are extremely optimistic. People got to be just trying to build hype because there’s not as many WR worth high picks this year and everyone obsesses over receivers.
Waiting on the puppy draft 3 to be available 😭. Did 7 drafts on the puppy #2 before it filled
Let’s gooooooooooooo
Mike clay that will be a good one
I think you can only compare Njoku to McBride athletically .... but not in fantasy.
The difference is the Quarterback play.
Murray vs Watson.
Which QB do you believe will have a stellar season out of these two?
Njoku has too many appearances on the injury report for me.
One more thing.
Which offense are you investing in?
Cleveland or Arizona?
That's my opinion.
Love your insight guys 🙏
What's driving me a little crazy about the channel right now is any time picks 10-12 come up, everyone goes "I hate being there". Guess what? I do too, but I have no choice in the matter. Some focus on who to take in those slots would be helpful instead of just pointing out how bad it is the be there.
So fade these guys, so you can zig when others are zagging? I felt like I saw Ridley/Dotson on a video like this last year 😅
Big difference between Mclaurin (4 years 1k+ yards) with subpar OC's and 11 qbs and Dotson who's never broken out yet.
Can you all do a mock draft just to show you guys thinking throughout the full process?
When Gibbs and Monty were both healthy at the end of last year Monty was the RB for the first drive of every game.
Njoku had most of his success later in the season with Flacco at QB. Now he's back to Watson.
I know I’m 2 weeks late but maybe D Jones being drafted so late is because….well Saquon going bye-bye. That 2022 season was also Saquon best season to date 😅
Holy cow jaylen warren looks so damn good on those runs
Why is there not more stock put into mcbride continuing to progress? We're talking about a great prospect in year 3.
I’m not sure why the comments are taking our conversation as a negative outlook on McBride
We really really like him
@UnderdogFantasy Hayden said he thinks he should go a little later and that Harrison could be negative. Never once mentored 3rd year progression for a great prospect which is super obvious
I wish they would talk more redraft… Terry is going in the 6th in redraft… I mean redraft is the most played format…
I heard underdog has 3 WRs so ya, those WRs are gonna go early… but when you got an even 2 and 2… the whole landscape changes
I don't get the Drake London hype. He struggles to separate vs single coverage, isn't fast, isn't necessarily a god at contested balls. He has a RB in the backfield with godtier potential, and a QB who throws to whoever is open, not to whoever is covered but might catch it anyway...
Drake London is being WAY overdrafted.
Agreed but he is pretty decent at contested catches. I could see Pitts overtake him, though.
Potential god tier tight end as well
His entire tape is struggling to win posession balls.
@@greggmarshall3788 lol
London hype is crazy but y'all just hating dude is good
Like I said before I could listen to you guys analyze the phone book so let's go
Can't wait for JT and sequan to melt faces and remind people how insanely tanlanted they are. More money for me 💰
I couldn’t find any NFL players on pick’em in the underdog fantasy app that they showed at the 9:35 mark. Am I dumb or are the NFL players not showing for other people?
It’s not football season yet. That’s why.
Daniel Jones doesn’t throw deep often enough to luck into a semi decent year again. Bad OL, bad RB, still only 1 good WR. The giants will play Lock at least 6 games this year
M.Wilson missed a bunch of games during McBride's run, too. I think there's a real chance Wilson is the actual #2 target earner in the offense behind Marvin, and people are drafting McBride like that's not a possibility. He looked very good as a rookie per-game and mostly played with Dobbs. There has to be some kind of significant fantasy falloff for McBride if he's falling from the #1 target earner to the #3 in the offense, which, by the way, is completely normal for TEs to be. Very few even really good TEs are more than the #2/3 option.
nah he’s a dog
@@joeyruemenapp3509 Michael Wilson is a dog. Go watch his season highlights. Some of the worst games of McBride's season after he took over for Ertz, came when Wilson was on the field. Wilson only had a handful of games with Kyler. This isn't not going to be a thing, it's going to be a thing.
I'm totally cool with McBride. I just think people need to be prepared for inconsistency because they're no longer drafting the #1, or potentially even the #2 target. He thrived on volume last year.
Zay Jones bro!
Nah mcbride is number 2
Gibbs was AMAZING….when Monty was hurt. How many top 10 RB’s do we say, “If that other RB gets hurt, this RB is a stud”? Only Gibbs
Hes a late 1st, Early 2nd round pick lol
14 team ppr Superflex
A T McLaurin and a second
B R Odunze
Im drafting Dobby with insane confidence
McBride?harrision remind me of LaPorta/Jones only flipped in who was the rookie. McBride was on pace for 140 targets with Murray. Wilson was a distant afterthought. It's pretty clear there is going to be a 1a and 1b in AZ only question is who is the 1a.
Austen Trey is the next Travis yes him and Njoku had the same output BUT Njoku didn't explode until Flacco was there whos now gone and Amari is a great wr who had prolific numbers at the same time but Trey was CLEARLY the Alpha in that offense once he started just use the eye test lol
I know how to read still (thanks much Hayden) Shoutout to the Scott Fish Satellite
When will Iowa get underdog?
God I don’t like going double rb 1 and 2 but I took Bijan at 6 and landed Gibbs at 19 and let me tell you the team looks good and it was a bbm draft too 😎
What top 5 WR did you take Bijan over? Jefferson?
Sun god
David Montgomery is the old Tyler Lockett
coach said hawks are running more this year and hawks passed 5th most last year
Gimme Terry all day at this price
Great stuff and analysis tho Hayden
A guy that’s never finished as a top 20 wr?
Why is that? Me personally I prefer every other WR around that price: Cooper, Kirk, Hollywood, Reed, Keenan
I’m going Dotson over Terry
Sensational show.
I am in KY and have pickems but can't do NFLSZN!!!!!!! Please fix.
Njoku is terrible with watson
Not true
Not true at all
No way am i drafting gibbs as the RB4. He doesnt have much TD upside imo. Monty gonna get goal line.
Gibbs had 11 tds last year
Dudes just be saying stuff lol@@TheSentry603
Jamir Gibbs seems too small for me to draft him high. Can he hold up to the hits?
I had him last year. He held up very well. He seems durable and Uber talented
common sense says that russell wilson is being paid by the broncos to play against them and he's shown over the last 3 years that he is a terrible QB. I don't understand any of the pro russell wilson talk
Why does everyone sleep on evan engram, who finished 2nd in full and half ppr. 115 catches and almost 1000 yards. Kelce work load is going to go down. I think likely is going to play more this year for the ravens.
cant do mcbride not when you can get engram and njoku 2 rds later
and convruously if Gibbs goes down then Monty is #1 work horse
Is this the guy who didn't know who mike macdonald was early in the off-season? 😅😂😅
I am unable to pull up any NFL pick ems yet...what am I doing wrong?
It’s not NFL season
@@greggmarshall3788 Understand that, but Hayden continues to show pick em betting lines during the podcasts.
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McBride will benefit like Kelce did when KC drafted Hill. Mark it down!
I think Winkler is going to regret his Kenneth Walker take/projection. I’m also not as high on Charbonnet. Stashed him last year and watched a lot of his film, wasn’t really impressed with his tape.
How open is Trey McBride going to be? I’m betting Marvin Harrison is going to take the majority of the coverage you can make the argument. Trey McBride is going to be even better more practice more familiar more part of the scheme going to have Kyler Murray right from jump, it’s likely is going to be a much better team this year than they were last year with a lot more points scored. McBride could potentially be tight end 1 you just don’t know
Jameson Williams is the wr2 now …😅
Zay flowers is reasonable to say he climbs a little in his 2nd year ..
Pitts has cousins so should be top 5 TE .
Same thing for JSN.
Lockett another year older
JSN another year wiser 😂 😅
Same as flowers .
JSN probably the most overrated rookie there, DK and Lockett are still way better, hell I like Bobo more half the time.
@@maskcollector6949 I don’t think so .
Just lots of weapons on that team .
JSN is a good . Just had a dip in qb play last year with geno, contract year we will see .
I don’t think he was overrated I think people just underrated locket .
I don't understand why you think it matters if Marvin Harrison Junior is good. If he's good, then that means there will be less attention on Trey McBride, and he will be open more often sort of like all of those years on the Chiefs with Travis Kelce because defense had to worry about Tyreek Hill. As we learned last year, Kelce got bottled up when, he was their only good option. If Harrison is bad, then that just means McBride will be a target hog like last year. Really didn't make sense to me and he didn't elaborate on why he doesn't think Trey McBride will do well regardless of Marvin Harrison Junior being good or not.
You guys are so wrong about Scary Terry. I think you might be looking at whats on paper to much . He has had the worst Qbs his whole career and still gets his numbers. He is incredible but the world doesn't know him yet
Yup! Take the talent out of it, this is the first QB he has had who doesn’t have to worry about job security or making mistakes that is known for his deep ball while having an air raid offensive coordinator with no clear #2 WR. How does that not scream scary terry hours.
McLaurin has been solid as my #3 WR for my dynasty team since our start up in 2019
This will be his first good year so good job holding for so long
you talk about mcbride as if that was his absolute peak, people are projecting he can be even better being the no1 te all season. he is absolutely in totally different tier than david njoku, desean watson could be benched hes played so awful and most of njokus good play came from joe flacco last season
Fantasy community really disconnected from the WAS team still lol, at least you admit you're just now getting exposed to WAS. Luke McCaffrey was a qb not a rb so ya'll still really don't know what you're talking about, though.
14:06 pause why you gotta say it like that bro
Would rather take the discount on Achane in the 3rd round rather than reach for Gibbs late first, early 2nd. Pretty much the same back and Achane might be better...more efficient runner and better pass catcher!
Achane is efficient but I need to see him play a full season. He's a little fella and played a handful of games last year.
@@MrMinionMoney He's the same size as Gibbs now, Achane bulked up in the offseason
@TheHoff305 I don't want either one of them. I traded for achane last year when he was suppose to be coming back from injury and he was hurt as soon as I got him 😅 maybe I'm just bitter about it lol
I will have zero Garrett Wilson at current adp
Yeaaahhhh.. Idk about this take 😂. Don’t think it’s going to age very well 😂🤷🏻. But we shall see I guess!
Why? Lol you'd take drake London over him?
Aaron Rodgers is going to get him the ball often. This isn’t Zach Wilson at QB
Garrett Wilson could be this years lamb
@cassiuscarter2832 cause he is being drafted at a ceiling he never come close to cause of a old arrow Roger's. Much rather have almost everyone but London around there
Daniel Jones?! Is that just to trick people and make fun of them bc they are stalker-level following this channel
Hopefully this guy has a day job, because KW is going to eat this season.
Im done with Mclaurin. Adios. He always kills me
Roman wilson will be good...
🔥🔥🔥
So many damn bots.
where?
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Tre McBride's upside is Kittle. So just draft Kittle later
I wouldnt touch kittle...kincaid or fergy!!
Kittle has more competition
Enjoy your frequent 5 point games from kittle
Engram or njoku with hockenson for the playoff run. Maybe add Juwan if you want a 3rd te.
McBride > Kittle only bc the age factor and Kittle is gonna bust bc he has to fight for targets w them SF WRs
Like #584
Darn you, Dameon Pierce
How do we feel about Travis Kelce & his value