Dealing with different tournament fighter types
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Hosts Nicole Smith and Steve Kime, with some help from the masked assistant, look at three fighter types you may find in your next tournament.
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Only one missing is the "I'm going to grapple no matter what you or the ref says"
Rules are to be observed, but grappling should have a bigger place in HEMA, simply because if you get in close quarters and can't grapple, it's not really HEMA.
Good point. Being a better grappler is one way to deal with that, but my preference would be to use fencing. (If you're fencing properly, your opponent should have no opportunity to grapple, and attempting it should result in them getting cut or stabbed;)
@@itinerantpoet1341 True, everybody tries to keep their opponents in the far end of their swords. Fights are messy, or so I have read :)
@@itinerantpoet1341 far easier said than done. It happens, so you should train for it.
@@BernasLL In my experience, in the real word, fights can be messy and fights can be clean. It really comes down to the skill differential and aptitude of the combatants.
I've seen a person fight cleanly in the middle of a brawl. I've seen a 6'6" US marine take on a half dozen frat boys using classical karate (which also involves throws.) I've seen dojo fighters who are absolute executioners against less experienced sparrers.
(I've also seen many messy fights, the most messy being two bums who just went at each other, clashed, fell over, and laid there for an hour, barely moving, locked in mortal struggle;)
My sense is most folks don't train sufficiently, or in the right proportions, and most have fairly mediocre footwork.
With straight swords, strategy becomes eminently important, b/c they are not typically brute-force weapons (less durable than single-edged swords which are built for hacking.)
So I'm not surprised that people who use straight swords to hack get grappled. (My advice for them is to work on their fencing, and perhaps study some extant systems like Kenjutsu;)
"Draw them out prematurely"
"Do something that sets off a response"
"Take advantage of them"
Got it. Thanks Steve! Greatvideo guys!
I was couting for Zwerchcopter. You know, the kind of guy that always tries to use Zwerchhau.
Woudn't a Schielhau work? If needed, followed by a Knichelhau if he raises the arms to protect his head, if he does not, follow with a step into the direction the first strike came from with a simultaneous Zornhau to deal with his follow-up strike.
The problem of the Zwerch is that you seriously limit your follow-up options from that position if the strike was actively blocked.
The Zwerchcopter is a great example why passive blocks are always the worst option. The idea behind a Meisterhau is that they all break the enemy attack and turn it into your own attack, allowing you to regain initiative. 🙂
@@D4l4m4r Static blocks (parries) are not "always the worst option." Even the texts tell us that if the "need befalls you" it is better than just throwing your point out if you don't have the strong bind or structure and getting cut because of it. For the comment above though, for someone to zwerchau they need to be closer to you than your extended longpoint. So unless their setups to zwerchau are good (then your problem isn't the zwerchuas) stop thrust them.
We had a bizarre form of fighter at a tournament where they were trying to slide into the opponent. Like full on run and knee slide at the opponent... For reasons? It didn't work well on mats and they kept doing it until people got fed up enough to start docking serious points for anyone who kept attempting the move. Surreal.
Awesome video! Loved these "types". As a newb to HEMA, your videos have really helped me learn.
I just love the end jokes lol
How about the dudes that hit you, after the bout is over? Maybe even when your back is turned? What about manchildren?
The sulking sadboi archtype
Any tournament that respects the safety of their fighters would immediately punish, disqualify or even kick them out of the building depending on how bad they did it.
@@arock9174 Unless the tournament is run by said sadboi and his cohort of fanbois.
@@Judicial78 If someone did this and other Cobra-Kai-like stuff, I'm sure at some point most of their other instructors would leave the club to start their own. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
oh hey! It me! All three of these are me
And i hate it
How do you deal with the skilled squirrel? You know, that guy who's better and faster than you :D
More training? 😅
Git gud
"There's always room for jello!" HAH!
I'm curious as to what makers or flex poundage you would consider a "jello sword"
Great.
Can you do a few moves against attacking legs (knees)?
Hi! Great! :)
And what about the hand hunters? (just touch without force, but valid hit... and without any martial art "content", just for points)
And of course the snail sex? ( too low distance with the swords)
Thanks!
In my opinion, hand hunting is a perfectly viable and historically accurate way of fighting with a long sword. Mayer describes this strike as 'Zecker' and it's quite effective too 🙂
@@D4l4m4r Sure, i read too, and once i broke my finger on an tournament and this is okay; cut the fingers off and he never will grasps anyting.
But i saw many times, hunting the hands and in the same time didn't matter the upper/head cut; double hit - zero points for both, but you can save your point advantage until the round's time is up.
And i saw toe hunters too for points.
@@MrVairochana - I have to say, we generally fence without protective gear (except for a fencing mask of course), therefore everyone is a lot more careful not to expose or everextend themselves and there is really a high emphasize on working from the bind. As a result i have never been able to attend a tournament (because they use full protective gear) and i had no idea that was the way they counted hits.
I think tournaments may be more interesting if some hits would just immediately end the fight, while others accumulate points to a certain threshold - because you are quite right: losing a finger but scoring a solid hit on the head at the same time, is not the same thing and should not be treated as equal.
If you are getting hit on the hands often, try doing some range exercises/drills/games. It generally means you are in distance when you should not be
@Blood & Iron HEMA
Have you played the Bushido Blade games (PS1) ? They have mostly realistic moves.
Sabee tutorial please
In the future do you forsee having tournaments at the Victoria Highland Games again?
Title could be "Dealing with different tournament beginner fighter types"
I thought it would be a video against experimented fighter archetype.
Never saw any serious fighter doing anything like that.
Could you do something similar with serious solid fighter archetype?
But the video was entertaining nevertheless! It was fun to watch
+1 Power Hammer: Tries to hammer you and your sword with all his power. Just bashing brute force. Can you tell me how to deal with this?
Hahahahaha!!! Love it.
Great Vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With the wiggler, you can also beat their blade off line and riposte cleanly b/c they lack control. With the buffalo you can also step back and envelop their sword before riposte, which is the safest method (excludes any possibility of response.)
My only critique is that if your try to draw a response from an experienced modern fencer by drawing your sword back, they are likely to stab you before you can react.
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I'm sorry, did she just say "they move it around so EROTICALLY?!"
no, you are just thirsty.
Erratically.
@@hollyingraham3980 I know... It was just funny.
@@maxheadroom4659 touche