The pne thing I get sketched out with for app permissions is when an app like a calculator app supposedly needs to be able to make and receive calls, like...what, why?
Example On Android 13 , the foss telegram app from f-droid asks various permissions for call / sms just to auto verify the OTP and log in, you give the permissions it will do the thing on auto piolet but you can also deny the permissions and manually enter the phone number, type the otp to log in The other good example is "allow permission only once" like the some banking app requires this to keep track of the transaction but you can permit it to access the location at the time of transaction and not whenever it wants to. I'm just trying to say that it's a good addition and it only got better over time.
Again, as I keep saying, if the program is trying to do things you don't want it to do, I have no clue why you would install it. It's it's not suppose to be doing those things, then it's being malicious and you've made a bad choice in your software selection. I have no clue why you would install it. If it has options to do things in the program you can choose what you want to do. But if the program doesn't give you the option and it's doing things you don't want it to, don't install it. It's just silly to install a program you know is going to be doing things you don't want to it and then expect a secondary program to try and stop the first program. If you're bank app is trying to track you, and you don't want it to, and the app doesn't let you turn it off, then I would consider that a malicious program. Why you don't just us the banks website is beyond me. Every example anyone has given me is that they want to use a program that does things they don't want it to do. And every time I'll ask, "Then why did you install it in the first place?". I don't care about the scenario, if there is a program on your device that is trying to do things you don't want it to, THAT IS MALICIOUS SOFTWARE! I don't know how much simpler it can be. And most "apps" people install, don't need to be installed. your device can already do 99% of the things you need it to. One of the few reasons to install something is because you need it to be a services running in the background and most the time it seems like that is what people are complaining about is programs that run in the background.
Are you going to come out with a video explaining how to make calls to regular phones with Linphone? I am trying to set that up, and every time I try to make a call, I get an error saying "user not found".
Trust isn't binary. Trust has reasons and limits and exceptions. All-or-nothing thinking doesn't always work here. I don't trust facebook, but I trust their app to a certain degree not to do anything too malicious. I don't want it to have access to my GPS, but I do want to keep up with my family and friends. I'm just using this as an example of course, but the point is that sometimes we're strong-armed into using certain software by some situation, and it's nice to be able to contain and restrict that software. Otherwise I generally agree: if you don't trust the software, and you can live without it, then don't install it. But this is the reason I install privacy plugins in my browser: I don't trust a lot of sites I have to use day-to-day and restricting them is all I can do to limit what they're able to see and do to me while I'm there. Having that option to declare personal space while using a service is important.
If an program doesn't require GPS, and you don't want it to access it, then you should be able to turn it off. For me, if I can't, then I shouldn't be installing that program. Relying on a secondary program to monitor the first is just bad practice. If a program doesn't need GPS and is trying to access it, then that is a malicious program. Web browsing is different. Yes, the scripts are running on my machine, but they should be sand boxed in my browser and I have to use a browser I trust. It's the difference between doing something at home and doing something in public. If I'm at a website, I consider that like being at a store. Anything I do there isn't private. Installing programs on your device that are trying to do things you don't want them to are going to find away. If you don't trust facebook, then, in my opinion, you shouldn't be installing there app. If facebook wants to know where you are and you install there app, they are going to know. I don't care if you "turn GPS" off for that app. But, this is why I say that what you consider malicious may be different then what I consider malicious. I can't think of one reason I would ever install the Facebook app. But what I don't understand is why you would install it if you don't trust it. And it is am "All-or-Nothing" thing. One line of malicious code is all it takes. You can install whatever you want on your devices, but if you don't trust an app, don't install it.
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I'm glad we could figure it out.
The pne thing I get sketched out with for app permissions is when an app like a calculator app supposedly needs to be able to make and receive calls, like...what, why?
Example On Android 13 , the foss telegram app from f-droid asks various permissions for call / sms just to auto verify the OTP and log in, you give the permissions it will do the thing on auto piolet but you can also deny the permissions and manually enter the phone number, type the otp to log in
The other good example is "allow permission only once" like the some banking app requires this to keep track of the transaction but you can permit it to access the location at the time of transaction and not whenever it wants to.
I'm just trying to say that it's a good addition and it only got better over time.
Again, as I keep saying, if the program is trying to do things you don't want it to do, I have no clue why you would install it. It's it's not suppose to be doing those things, then it's being malicious and you've made a bad choice in your software selection. I have no clue why you would install it. If it has options to do things in the program you can choose what you want to do. But if the program doesn't give you the option and it's doing things you don't want it to, don't install it. It's just silly to install a program you know is going to be doing things you don't want to it and then expect a secondary program to try and stop the first program.
If you're bank app is trying to track you, and you don't want it to, and the app doesn't let you turn it off, then I would consider that a malicious program. Why you don't just us the banks website is beyond me.
Every example anyone has given me is that they want to use a program that does things they don't want it to do. And every time I'll ask, "Then why did you install it in the first place?". I don't care about the scenario, if there is a program on your device that is trying to do things you don't want it to, THAT IS MALICIOUS SOFTWARE! I don't know how much simpler it can be. And most "apps" people install, don't need to be installed. your device can already do 99% of the things you need it to. One of the few reasons to install something is because you need it to be a services running in the background and most the time it seems like that is what people are complaining about is programs that run in the background.
is the linphone not meant to be standalone fully? it seems to require login. and yes ip number is your standalone web number, or a domain name
Yes we got private network call 🤙
How is it secure if someone knows your ip address
Are you going to come out with a video explaining how to make calls to regular phones with Linphone? I am trying to set that up, and every time I try to make a call, I get an error saying "user not found".
Trust isn't binary. Trust has reasons and limits and exceptions. All-or-nothing thinking doesn't always work here.
I don't trust facebook, but I trust their app to a certain degree not to do anything too malicious. I don't want it to have access to my GPS, but I do want to keep up with my family and friends.
I'm just using this as an example of course, but the point is that sometimes we're strong-armed into using certain software by some situation, and it's nice to be able to contain and restrict that software.
Otherwise I generally agree: if you don't trust the software, and you can live without it, then don't install it.
But this is the reason I install privacy plugins in my browser: I don't trust a lot of sites I have to use day-to-day and restricting them is all I can do to limit what they're able to see and do to me while I'm there. Having that option to declare personal space while using a service is important.
If an program doesn't require GPS, and you don't want it to access it, then you should be able to turn it off. For me, if I can't, then I shouldn't be installing that program. Relying on a secondary program to monitor the first is just bad practice. If a program doesn't need GPS and is trying to access it, then that is a malicious program.
Web browsing is different. Yes, the scripts are running on my machine, but they should be sand boxed in my browser and I have to use a browser I trust. It's the difference between doing something at home and doing something in public. If I'm at a website, I consider that like being at a store. Anything I do there isn't private.
Installing programs on your device that are trying to do things you don't want them to are going to find away. If you don't trust facebook, then, in my opinion, you shouldn't be installing there app. If facebook wants to know where you are and you install there app, they are going to know. I don't care if you "turn GPS" off for that app.
But, this is why I say that what you consider malicious may be different then what I consider malicious. I can't think of one reason I would ever install the Facebook app. But what I don't understand is why you would install it if you don't trust it.
And it is am "All-or-Nothing" thing. One line of malicious code is all it takes. You can install whatever you want on your devices, but if you don't trust an app, don't install it.