Why Full Sized Keyboards Are STILL Superior
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Yeah, it can be a toxic debate but the topic of keyboards needs to be discussed. Full sized keyboards DO hold advantages over smaller, more compact varieties like TKL. But are those features enough for you?
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Full sized are better so u can play fireboy and watergirl
For sure haha
Br ?
Yes
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Wanna play?
this post was made by the full sized keyboard gang.
YESSS our gang will take over the world
@@astro-sq6tb But what about 40%
@@kierain9206 yeah I always wanted a 40% keyboard
@@astro-sq6tb I'm getting a 40% soon and it'll be my first keyboard smaller than a full size keyboard
@@kierain9206 congrats
anyone else have that weird screen glitching around 5 minutes in?
i thought my gpu was artifacting and had to pause
@@justingurski8770 yeah, that also got me scared for a moment that I had to pause and scroll through previous scenes on the video to make sure my screen or my GPU was not acting up
@@justingurski8770 scared the shit outta me - i thought my liquid metal damaged my freaking GPU!
Yh I had the screen glitch on my phone
i thought my gpu was damaged and had to go back threw the video the confirm
its amazing how a keyboard that takes less materials, less key switches, less key caps, less LED's. SOMEHOW costs more than a keyboard that has more.
It's pretty easy to explain it's production setup cost that normally is devided between the volume of production it's called "full-costing" or absorption costing :) it explains why even few materiel can make product cost more :) it's simply all the indirect cost that is followed by having to different produktion setup
The less isn't always = lower price/production cost. Cost normally chance depending of how simplified or complicated the production is between the two products :)
If full size sells more they can take avantage of economy of scale that decrease the production cost :) 10 keys less isn't that populair because it's not standard therefore more expensive to produce :)
most are better like ducky 60%
Not always true. With some brands they don't cost as much.
The keyboard is waterRESISTAND not PROOF SO PLEASEEE DONT WASH YOUR KEYBOARDS
I think he meant the switches.
Why would I wash my fucking switches!?!
@@TheAlly323 if you drop coffee
use contact cleaner
@@HerickLO how the fuck would you "drop" coffee on your switches, they're under keycaps
I have a full size and never even use the numpad, I only like it for that enter right next to my mouse hand :p
I don't use it too much either, but I have a TKL board for my second computer and the enter thing drives me insane. I find myself just hitting the mousepad with my thumb a lot.
Shmozone oh my god, same! Switched back to full size.
in case you didn't know, numpads are for the people who key in numbers a lot.
Yea we know. We're just saying the side enter is the main thing we like about it. Don't need to be a douche about it.
buy binds are litteraly all i use kp for
"Here's a spot you should probably not skip watching"
*quickly fast forwards 20 sec
I live in Vietnam and I swear I've never seen or heard of any TKL keyboards which are more expensive than it's full sized siblings.
Corsair K65/ K70, Masterkeys Pro S/ L, Blackwidow Chroma/ Tournament...etc. Every single TKL keyboard is cheaper by 10-20% compared to full sized ones.
dung co no may
lesson is don't buy out of the box boards. go custom ;)
i mean its probably that there isnt such of a high demand in Vietnam for tkl keyboards
Same here in Portugal
except Razer.
There is no competition for "superiority" between these two keyboards. Every advantage he just said can be subjective. There can never be a debate on these two because the pros and cons are subjective to the user. Just use what suits you. End of story.
yeah, until TKL becomes a default choice and manufacturers start ditching full-sized variants because TKL sells better. it's already happening
There’s a lot more variety than two choices here. The main problem with this argument is that there’s not really a choice. You have mainstream keyboards which cost €5 and they are plentiful. There’s no such option for smaller boards. If you’re going to make an informed choice you’re already needing to be willing to invest a significant sum of money. Which most people won’t do. As a sidenote, ask any medical professional to compare postures between boards and they’ll tell you the same thing.
Your argument isn’t that it’s subjective, it’s objective. Keyboards are tools, and a numpad is a very handy tool if you’re working with numbers. It’s just better ergonomically if it’s on the left side of the keyboard. Unfortunately most people can’t justify the insane increase of cost to do that.
Wrong.
@@vsm1456 tkl hardly sells better than full size
When it comes to games, having a numpad REALLY helps when I'm playing Arma.
For us Excel user on daily basis, they are forever superior.
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not just excel, but also anyone who has to type in numbers even occasionally.
TKL + Numpad for left of keyboard is and always will be the most optimal setup.
Also for us network administrators, you can't type IP addresses without a numpad.
I wish there was more modular packages with the keyboards able to lock a ten key on or spread it further from the main keyboard depending on space and current needs. I have had times that the extra ten key pad being separate was nice and other times cumbersome. And even other times be nice to just be able to remove it when I want to do so.
I had no idea this was even debated.
Same.. It's just a preference thing, no? Seems like debating what your key bindings should be.
Yeah it's just the oddest thing to argue about.
for me, i dont use my keyboard for work. I use it to type to friends and people ingame and to type comments just like these. I dont need a numpad, the more space is valuable for me. Everyone is different. I dont know what the point of this video was.
its not debated. setting up a "us" vs. "them" in the video really gets the comments rolling.
It does turn into that rather quickly. Use what you want. People just don't understand that.
I've snapped a tendon in my right shoulder a while ago and need to have the mouse as centered in front of me as possible or I'll end up with cramps in my arm. TKL keyboard are a godsend for me!
If only they didn't all come with the unnecessary per-key lighting, which ALWAYS flickers if you quickly glance over your desk or screen. No, it's not just the cameras that pick that up.
Thomas Sanladerer try the coolermaster tkl keyboard seen a stealth one with mx browns and no lights
+Thomas Sanladerer sorry to hear but I'm glad you've found a solution. Interesting about the flicker. I've never noticed it on any illuminated keyboard.
I had it with an old membrane keyboard. Not every key was lighted, instead only the membrane below. From some angles you could directly see the leds, moving your had looked like flickering
that sucks, i messed up my shoulder too and still trying to figure out a way to be able to game comfortably other then a controller(which still kinda sucks)
as for the flicker, depends on your eyes, some people are really sensitive to some stuff.
HardwareCanucks try looking above the keyboard (or above the monitor) and flick your eyes left and right. you wonz notice it when you focus on your keyboard but in the outter angle of your eye you will notice it
I finally realized that I hardly ever use: function keys, arrow keys, pg up, dwn, home, etc group keys
Getting a 60% keyboard and not looking back. I think I prefer my desk space
I have a 60% too. no regrets
@@gxbe55 Same here. Recently got a ducky one 2 mini, I was gonna go custom but I don't have that budget. I very quickly transitioned to using fn+ijkl for arrows and they're really the only extra keys I use.
Agreed, for me it’s perfect for coding and gaming because of more space for my mouse to glide.
@Вероника Заглотова We all have our preferences. Just because a 60% doesnt have a numpad, F keys, arrow key or the Home, End, etc keys doesn't mean you can't access them. They're mapped to a second or even a third layer of function keys.
I often spend many hours behind my PC programming and writing emails and reports. Efficiency is important to me, but i don't often type large enough numbers to justify a numpad, the F1-12 keys are rarely used and the Home, End, etc keys are too far from the home row to make any sense for efficiency. If I'm gonna move my hand that far i might as well use the mouse or just spend 2 minutes adding a shortcut in my editor to do the same thing. Using a 60% has actually got me using those keys because they're mapped to keys i can use without moving my hands off the home row. For example, my keyboard uses fn + o for home. I don't need to move my hands for that.
@Вероника Заглотова I still have all those keys it's just they're "hidden"
HC: Full sized is best
60% keyboard: Hold my beer
Don't do this, keyboards are bad at holding beers
I love you and your comment no homo
Gekko12482 fax
40% masterrace
Fix:
HC: Full sized is best
60% keyboard: Hold my keycaps
I didn't realize how much I used the number pad until I went TKL. The shorter keyboard was nice, but it started driving me nuts not having a numpad. I had to switch back to full size. It was things like video editing (keying values for effects, image size/placement, font sizes, zoom percentages, etc), calculating prices when researching products, basic photo editing (resize values, etc). It was all quicker with a number pad rather than using the top row of numbers.
Why Full Sized Keyboards Are STILL Superior
*For Work*
Yep. Those of us who need to input numbers need the tenkey
Who the hell even uses the number pad? Just use the numbers at the top
@@dinosharttt way faster using the number pad if you're constantly using numbers and decimals.
@@54321djg yep
@@dinosharttt 👋
Thank you for this video! The market surge of TKLs has always blown my mind. One is effectively paying about the same money for less product! You are right, once you embrace macros your workflows will never be the same.
I only wish they had a a Topre switch option (that was not $200+)
Playing Garry’s mod has taught me that I can’t go without a number pad, even though I never use it anymore.
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I was thinking the same thing the whole time 😂
as a student a numpad is basically having god at your fingertips
DarkErrorCode I’m a student and I never use the numpad. I even use a 60%.
I've never once used the numpad on my full size keyboard. But I do use 8 fingers at a time on the top number bar, which I think is much faster
Agreed
From student to student, get a wireless numpad so u can have a 60% kb the benefit of the numpad
Depends, I study software engineering and I still prefer using the numbers above the letters instead of numpad lol
All in all you are just better off with a dedicated numpad. Those things run for about $20 on amazon and you can simply lay them aside when you are gaming or bring them close when working.
Nero So spend probably the same amount of money for a tkl and numpad instead of a full sized keyboard which has an attached numpad? Also what if you lose the numpad? Can happen, so you lose 20$.
Vidal Zazueta an attached numpad, which gets in the way of your mouse when gaming and can‘t be put on the left side of the keyboard for a better workflow. How do you lose a numpad when it is attached to your home or work PC?
Nero Well you can lose it if you take it with you outside of work. Also I have to connect one more cable to my pc just because I don't have enough space. I mean I have a few inches from my pc to my keyboard and I use it just fine, just bump the sensitivity.
Vida l Zazueta What do you mean, "outside of work"? Do you mean literally unplugging your keyboard and taking it away from the place you work so you can use it with a laptop or something? Because you can't tell me you would seriously carry a full sized keyboard with you. If I don't use my numpad I simply move it under my monitor stand (it has an opening that could fit my entire keyboard + numpad for when I am studying) and when I am on the go and have to take my keyboard with me, I simply unplug my 60% and take it with me in my backpack. It's seriously small, which is a big plus for portability and next to the gained space on my desk, a major reason for me to get it.
I won't up my DPI because I game at 400 and do a lot of image work, therefore need the precision. I can't go back to higher DPI now.
As a person who's played CSGO too much ( i have more than 2300 hours in it) a large keyboard isn't in the cards for me since I never use the numberpad. i could put my buy binds on the numberpad like most pros tend to do but I've gotten used to using the other keys that don't get utilized in the game as my buy binds (Buy binds for Nades are F5-F8) (Common bought guns are scattered through out the board) and uncommon guns I just use the buy menu. The only reason I have these binds are so I can full buy and drop for someone quickly and not lose time going into my spot on a certain map. Granted the time it takes you to use the binds vs the buy menu isn't a whole lot, I've just gotten used to using my buy binds after playing for so long. I'm looking into a TKL or smaller board so I have more space to move my mouse and more space for my Razer Gigantus mouse pad. I don't think I've ever used the NAV cluster above the arrow keys aside from getting the occasional screenshot.
TLDR: I have no use for a full-sized board but I'm just one of those 1% cases that need something smaller because you play a game so much it encompasses your space.
I tend to use a 75% or a 60%, and a macro pad for my daily work. I would argue that it's a superior setup than a full sized. However if you factor in cost, there's really no beating the amount of sales and availability full sized keyboards have.
MechMerlin It looks like higher costs for TKL is mostly a US thing
with the amount of lazy asses who can't clean their desks and thus need teeny-tiny small keyboards, full-sized keyboard will soon be in a minority. it's already happening, some interesting keyboards are only TKL, like Wooting One
vsm1 you should look at keyboards such as the Alf or Duck Eagle. A lot of people use smaller keyboards because it's more ergonomic. Buying a small keyboard due to inability to clean desk is hardly a good enough reason.
MechMerlin, why should I look at them? they are less usefull because they lack lots of keys, and they aren't as comfortable as ergonomically shaped keyboards. why would somebody need this type of compromise is beyond me
ergonomics doesn't come from size, it's about shapes and positions. with your wrists being so close to each other you have to bend them outwards even more than with a full sized keyboard
vsm1 typing on a 60 percent is the same as a full sized when it comes to using alphanumerics and modifiers. It's literally just 60% of a full size. Your wrists are just as close. The ergonomics come from having your mouse closer. Keyboard length should ideally be as long as your torso is wide. For smaller people a standard keyboard doesn't fit that. In terms of functionality, I can program my arrows to the bottom right modifiers that I don't use and function keys to the number row on layer 1 so my hands never need to do awkward stretches or lift to get to them. For a numpad I have a separate numpad only keyboard that gets stored away when not in use or put to the right of my mouse when needed.
I went from full to TKL a year and a half ago now, I no longer see the numpad for excel and numbers and stuff argument: I'm now up to 80-110wpm, including those numbers at the top, and imo they're more convenient than moving an entire hand over to the numpad for some numbers.
They need to make removable numpads with a daisy chain cable. Just put it on the other side of the mouse, or even the other side of the keyboard when gaming. Or just flip it above the keyboard until you need it.
Personally I think the best keyboard layout would be a full keyboard, but with the bumpad on the left, instead of on the right. With a normal fullsize keyboard I either have to reach very far for the mouse, with isn't very comfortable when I have to use the mouse a lot, or keep the keyboard a bit to the left, instead of having the alpha keys centered to my body, which isn't comfortable when I use the kyboard a lot. But since there aren't many keyboards like that, I just use a TKL with a separate numpad.
Marcin Skotnicki that exists ya know
Yeah, I know, there are a few keyboards like that (but just a few) ;) For now I'm using my TKL + numpad, but I might but one of them in the future when it's time to upgrade.
TKL + Wireless numpad is the best choice
you win
RGB doesnt always match also may not be mechanical or its a different color
@@efwfewewf4649 RGB In a keyboard is not that important and why tf do u need mechanical numpad? lol
@outcasted sushiboi you dont need RGB to have a nice looking keyboard, would you use lights in your suit because it looks cooler? , for example the Zowie Celeritas II ,It Doesnt have RGB it just haves withe lights, RGB can be distracting an it looks less professional.
Asus ROG Claymore has a wireless numpad!
Maybe a lot people didn't notice or know this, but short people like me ( I'm 160cm) with short range(Hands) Almost can't or not use a full size keyboard for gaming comfortably. Growing up, I have been using a laptop. Until 2 years ago I decided to change it to PC.
When gaming, moving my mouse reflectively hit the edge of the keyboard, the range between my left hand and right hand is very short... it's very uncomfortable opening both of hands so wide because of full size keyboard's lenght and it keep pisses me off when my mouse hit the keyboard. Through adjusment I was getting used to this for 1 year, until I tried TKL keyboard. Now I won't and can't go back to full size keyboard.
Although at first it's like missing a limb, you keep pressing the enter on numpad often reflectively. which it's not there when using TKL keyboard. as for Features, it depends on the keyboard, I'm using Corsair K65, maybe the best TKL keyboard with much features
Adiprima Sulakstono that’s far from the best tkl but i know what you mean.
in my country TKL keyboards is very limited, k65 and ducky pretty much high end keyboards I can find.
Adiprima Sulakstono I never use enter on numpad anyway
Adiprima Sulakstono your pathetic... I’m sorry but it’s true
Well, I believe that it depends on the user and the games they play. Believe it or not, some games still require the numlock keys. Also, the space on your desk is also important.
My desk is really wide but really short so I use a 60 percent keyboard for games, but I also use full sized keyboards for work and stuff, even though I don't have a job yet.
As a fps player, i think 10-keyless is waaaay better
ye
I use 60% as my desk is small af
ReReversall me too. They’re lit
@@ryan2-518 yep
Not really. Some times the numpad is important.
There is no better or worse size, it's all up to personal preference and what you need the extra keys for. Personally, I don't use the right side of the kb often and I think the compact look of smaller kbs is a lot more aesthetically pleasing so I go with a 60% or 65%. I'm using a 65% atm so I have the arrow keys and a few other functions but I've used 60% for gaming on and off for years. The only time I found it was a problem was in Fortnite because the building keys are defaulted to the F1-F5 keys which I don't have on my current 60% or 65% kbs. You can get boards that do have those extra buttons that are also compact though, the Preonic by OKLB is an ortholinear 65% kb that has the function keys as well if you play games that need them. It's all about what the person wants and needs out of a kb, most people don't use all of the kb on a full-size when gaming so if that's your primary use and you want to save some space then a TKL, 65% or 60% might be for you. I can do everything I need to on my smaller boards as fast as I would with the extra keys on a full size, so I personally chose the smaller boards for aesthetic reasons. After getting used to smaller boards and the key combinations for functions that you don't have keys for, I'm probably never going to go back. I just love the smaller boards, and there's so many more options for customizability in the enthusiast market. There aren't a lot of customizable build-it-yourself fullsize kbs out there that I'm aware of.
Finally someone who understands
Couldn’t agree more. It’s always cringe when talking about keebs outside of the mechanical keyboards community. No one ever seems to get the reasoning behind smaller boards. That being said 60% is my favorite layout, and 40% is something I’ll probably never do as they don’t seem nearly as functional in my eyes.
how did you make the macro for switching your audio source?
Yes!!! I want to know that as well :D
Step 1: Install SoundSwitch, a little program that allows you to switch audio with a keystroke combination.
Step 2: Assign that they keystroke combination to a macro.
:)
@@FireStarJutsu Step 1: Install SoundSwitch, a little program that allows you to switch audio with a keystroke combination.
Step 2: Assign that they keystroke combination to a macro.
:)
@@HugoFereira Aw man thanks a lot!
Meanwhile I'm sitting here with my 60% layout and enjoy the additional deskspace.
im sitting here with a g410 and a normal size mouse pad but like i have room for my phone and with my keyboard tilted for cs i have room for plates cuz my fatass is always eating
what do you use that extra 8x5 inches of space or so to do that you couldn't do before?
Well for one I can keep my arm inline with my shoulders without having to adjust my keyboard position.
as a photographer, the keypad is also really nice when navigating through big folders of sequentially numbered images...esp during client revisons. (when you number you images 0001_ClientJob.jpg) ... just type the number you are looking for to jump right to it ....
this is why TKL didn't work for me.
I have a stand up workstation and my full sized keyboard gives me about 2 inches of wiggle room for my mouse, so that's why I'm thinking about building a 60% keyboard.
You can pick up kits with RGB for $60 and keycaps for $30, so I figured it would be a good investment.
How did he macro the audio source changes for windows on his keyboard!? I need to know because this will be life changing for me with my corsair k95.
I second that
agreed how?
I third that
ya sure adventhorizonviii I just looked it up and while there is no native shortcut as far as I'm aware than can then be macroed on Windows 10, it looks like you can download an application called SoundSwitch that will let you do just that. I'm not home right now so I can't verify it but one of you guys might wanna try it and let me know how it goes.
unidentifieduserbot I'd like to know as well, it'd make my HyperX Alloy FPS even more awesome
Since I bought my TKL mechanical keyboard I never search for keyboards again. Im totally satisfied
Yeah I never use the numpad. 60% might even be better for me (I have TKL) because I never use those keys like home, insert, print screen, page up/down etc.
@@zanemeyer6006 you probably didn't know that extra keys can be a better option because more shortcuts and more options
The Dark Lord well not for me. It would just create less desk space.
But I will say that I take back saying that 60% could be better. It would be too cramped
@@zanemeyer6006 just get a bigger desk dude
3:46 How do you set this as a macro? Holy shit I need it right now!
I also would like to know, I switch audio outputs all the time and this would be super useful
Use linux + bspwm. Then you can make keyboard macros for sxhkd macros that macro macros in your macros.
ward
I can’t live without the numpad! I don’t even use it that much, but when i use a tkl i always move my hand to the numpad area.
On my Windows machine I use the numpad exclusively for controlling the cursor, for page up, page down, insert, delete and enter. I do not use dedicated arrow keys or dedicated PgUp/PgDn keys. But on my office MBP - my very first Apple computer - I cannot use numpad for anything else but numbers! And I do not use it for typing numbers in the first place. So I ditched full-size Mac keyboard for a tenkeyless, and I am going to do the same for my home Windows machine just to keep it more or less in line with my office MBP.
i dont see a reason to have a numpad... i aint at the cash register
regestering to sites and payments online. The numpad is standard for a reason and I dont mind the extra space. Good with both options tho
I know it's like... we have computers for this shit, wHy yOu DeAl WiTh NuMbErS?!
Most GTA V mod menus requires a numpad to browse it. You need it to fly a plane on GTA V.
I use it open my csgo hacks using insert
ITZLIT oh shit I can't do fivem with my 65%
LOL
Full-sized keypads are also very useful for Sibelius, for the composers out there.
I love my numpad, I'll never abandon it.
Martisan i haven't used it even once in my life
@pasi. Sorry.
As for the numpad, you can just buy a separate one to the left. Much more ergonomical and trust me, for right handers (like me), typing NUMBERS with left hand IS NOT A PROBLEM at all. It takes no time at all to get used to it.
I use YGHJ to move instead of WASD. It gives me much more buttons around my hand and gives me more space on my table. I can press 6 buttons alone with my pinky, and with my thumb I have access to not only the Space bar, but the Alt button also.
My mouse and keyboard space is quite small, so TKL keyboards are amazing for me so I can fit a mousepad, mouse and keyboard on my desk.
That's why you get a Quickfire TK, have a numpad and use the useless arrow keys.
Quickfire TK bros unite.
I have that Quickfire TK and Leopold FC980M. I still like my arrow keys, so Leopold for me.
Never needed a numpad in my life. Desk space is in extreme demand with my mic arm screens and mouse space needed. They are cheaper. And personally look better. Im for half size all the way. My k70 has taken some real abuse and never wavered. Whiskey, soda, all my force dead center multiple times. half sized !
I'm left handed and I had a membrane full size keyboard, that I HATED. That's because if I wanna game, I have 2 options, Remapping everything and buying a leftie mouse (worst ones basically are 20 dollars) or use a right handed mouse (even as a leftie i used right handed mouses through all my PC life, so I don't mind using them). I bought a redragon visnu for 25 dollars 1 year ago, it's a TKL rainbow backlit keyboard that I really like, now I'll buy the tecware phantom RGB for 45 bucks, also TKL, I will never use a full sized again.
Edit: The real madness about full sized are that when I'm using my mouse with the right hand it kinda messes with the numpad (because the way that you hold it when being left handed), and it's really annoying.
PD: I gamed in a membrane crappy keyboard for a while xd
Logitech g900 wireless ambidextrous mouse solved all my leftie mouse woes, maybe it would for you :)
EchiKuperTroller g pro wireless, worth the money
My personal "perfect layout" would be full sized, with numpad on the left. Thats PERFECT, best of both worlds
hmm im a 60% keyboard guy myself. cant change back now
Same. Tried switching back to tkl and hated it. Even worse with 100%. Now way in hell I’ll ever go back to that. Especially as a lower dpi gamer. Need all the mousepad soace I can.
If you're somebody who's really into the peripherals you use and is okay with devoting time to them to make them better for you personally, just get a 60% (or maybe a 65%) board that has QMK support, and literally program your own completely customized layout. I mostly just did mine by modifying the resources (i.e. keymaps etc) that were there, and I have 4 layers and a ton of binds that are individual to me, that I just individually decided to put where they are, and I'm so used to all of them that they come to me completely naturally. This includes all the function of a Numpad, an actual arrow cluster (since the PCB I have allows for that) and all the functions you have above the arrow keys on a TKL, and all of them are right under my fingers on a 60% board, without me having to sacrifice desk space or move my hands to the right.
It can feel daunting at first to get into, but once you get a small QMK keyboard that you put the time into to customize, you will NEVER go back.
Frawtarius I have a custom dz65rgb, have qmk set up so I have all the functionality of a 100%
i keep hitting my hand on the numpad
time to switch to TKL
Lmaoooo to hip
WRAITH.Spire get a 60% not tkl.. like an anne pro 2 or a Duckey one 2 mini
Jakob Wolf get a mass drop alt best keyboard
Plurry I beg to differ
Esodeca II okay?
I love my full-size, I just find myself straining to reach the mouse or wasd buttons at times. But for a typing experience, I think it’s far superior
Keyboard size barely affects typing experience
A4Tech Bloody B845R slightly mentioned in video is best solution in my opinion. Photos of this keyboard are not mirrored, you actually get numblock on the left side. It takes very little to get used to enter numbers with your left hand and it gives so much space for mouse. Couldn't recommend more.
Love my TKL for travel but the full sized is always going to be my favourite. Programming, gaming, and more.
I disagree with the "price" point, in many other manufacturers such as Razer, they always charge more for the full-size version, and by a considerable margin, so it is entirely depended on which manufacturer you are getting the keyboard from and the model.
You can bind more actions in obs (mic, scenes etc) so from streamer's perspective bigger is better.
If you actually require that many keys to bind to shit, get a macropad or an external numpad. There's literally no reason to have a fullsize board as opposed to a TKL+numpad aside from cost in some cases.
where is that link for audio switch ???
i need this also
A smaller size keyboard is easier to center in front of you for typing while having room for your mouse. You usually also get a function key that comes with features for volume up and down, and mute, or music playing features. What the numpad gets you on windows is the ability to make special symbols while holding down alt and hitting numpad numbers. The numpad is also nice just for being a numpad but besides the numpad if you don't really need it it's nice to have more space and compactness. Also smaller keyboards being more expensive is probably something more common with the bigger brands like Corsair and Logitech.
From my point of view, when I'm typing I like to have the keyboard in the middle (I mean the space button should be in the center) and then the numeric keys are pushing the mouse far to the right and it's not comfortable for me. Since I'm not an accountant, I prefer the TKL keyboard. The macros are fine, but for a longer typing w mouse usage, it's not my cup of tea. :)
Demetri: I love you G Pro, but I’ve got to move on
The viewers and Logitech: *SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED!*
This guy: 100 percent keyboards are the best
Me: I dont even use half of my ducky one 2 mini
30% ftw
@@McSpicyYT I want to see that 😂
Could you post a picture or video of it on imgur or something?
@@McSpicyYT oh ok
@@McSpicyYT Rip
How'd you do that? what's the macro for that? CHange audio sources,i mean.
im on a G613 if it helps. thanks!
Please tell us
Or how do you lock Windows using a single button on the numpad?
Harriprashanth Shanmugavel Making a macro with Windowskeys + lock
One word: AutoHotKey
i also really wanna know this as well
I'm a programmer and I work on a MacBook exclusively (which have TKL keyboards ever since). And I have to type numbers now and then, but I've never missed the keypad, really.
At home, on my windows machine, I also use TKL keyboards for several months now and imo the space and much cleaner look you gain on your desk is far more useful.
Another really nice video. A side note: If you are experiencing the tingling, and pain of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome consider switching to a mechanical keyboard. The sensory feedback of the clicky type of mechanical keyboard, allows the typist to avoid bottoming out of the keys while key stroking. This requires that the typist get used to the particular keyboard. The buckling spring keyboards are probably the best at this, but the idea in general is that the click allows the user to eventually avoid the hard hammering of the key into the keyboard's key bed. The typical "membrane" type keyboard does not have any feedback which can allow the typist to train up to avoid the bottoming out effect.
Give me your G Pro fam
65% Master Race
78 key master race
I use the number pad instead of wasd because I'm left handed so
Oh wow! I've always wondered how left handed people play, It's interesting to see that :D. I wish there was a keyboard with a flipped layout for left handed people, that would be sick :D
@@McSpicyYT Oh wow! Actually wait a second, why didn't I research about this before xD
Thanks for telling me anyways~!!! (>^w^)/
@@McSpicyYT Oh I looked them up, and they were't what I had in mind but they're better than what I had in mind xDDD
Idk why but the image of a flipped keyboard was like the QWERTY lay out is flipped, like instead of QWERTY it's YTREWQ. But I just realized that that's a terrible idea why would you even do that xD, you can't type on any other keyboard than your own lmao. I wanna see a gaming setup with a left handed keyboard and mouse, that would be interesting :o
I am left handed but I learned to use the mouse with the right hand since ai was little
@@yugen-3340 Yeah my brother is like that too :D
Lmao my brother does everything in his left hand except using the mouse and eating, I guess you just get used to it :)
Why 60% keyboards are the best (in my opinion)
1. They are cheaper
2. You don’t need a number pad because you already have numbers
3. You don’t need arrow keys because you can hold function and use wasd as arrow keys
4. More room for mouses and convenient for smaller desks
5. More portable
6. You don’t need F keys because you and hold down function and use 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0, -, and =
I don't have a 60% keyboard(yet) but I also think that it's probably the ideal size for me. I use a ton of keyboard shortcuts but they're all compatible with 60% keyboard layouts as I try to keep them quickly accessible.
I found 4 things:
1) I only wanted to pay for a single Keeb cause college student...
2) I wanted a custom Layout, as i use the NEO layout, i do not want to solve that on the computer side.3.
3) I wanted a split board. Nothing keeps me from putting the halves into a single case if i dont like it.
4) I wanted a small keeb cause my desk doubles as a computer desk and writing desk and rc workbench.
5) I do not need fancy LEDs, if i do everything right i won't look at my board during use anyway. And it consumes power. Not much more, but it is a point to make.
I found the best bet to be a 60% QMK compatible Nyquist keeb.
"where's the numpad?" i hear you ask?
Guess what. Having a short spacebar enabled me to include a toggle button to activate a right hand numpad without ever moving my wrists.
"but how do u use the arrow keys and function keys??? it makes no sense...
Guess what. I only need a single lead key that opens exactly that to my hands without moving them.
I even managed to implement unicode so my keeb is able to do greek letters and math stuff and god knows what i will program into it.
To be fair: Whoever is looking for a plug and play experience stay away from my approach. It took me the better part of a month to build it, set it up, debug it, break it halfway, wait for replacement parts, repair, debug again. I do not recommend this for people on a tight budget with a keeb to replace by today. But for my primary keyboard i expect to use for the next 10 Years, it better be to my specs, and flexible enough should the software specs change.
To anyone who does not need a keeb working by yesterday with a bit of time and an understanding of what you want, build your own and learn how to use QMK to make your keeb do what you want. Nothing more, nothing less.
I am a gamer and I use 60% keyboard ;)
Afief Sholichuddin building mine now. How is it?
Ezkamoz dope you get used to it quickly.
Link?
Sic Semper Beats niice
I have ducky mini that i travel with
Full sized keyboard gang for life!
FULL SIZED MASTER RACE
I found the answer why some people want to keep their hands closer and need small keybs, while some do not. It's this: *the height of your desk*
When your desk is low and you place your arms on it they tend to be closer to each other and you have no room for numpad. When you have a higher desk your hands are naturally placed wider and you have no problem with full-sized keyboard and mouse.
The reason the TKL or 60% are better is they are more ergonomic and allow you to position your arms in a better position. I am 27 and I can appreciate this, after years of doing damage to my wrists via no living video games. I will never go back to full size unless I am using excel, but you can get a separate num-pad anyway.
Meanwhile I’m watching this with a 60% board in front of me
I am still gonna buy the Huntsman Tournament Edition
I didn't realize how much I use the numpad and ESPECIALLY that side Enter key until I switched to a TKL. The smaller keyboard was much more disruptive than I had anticipated and I've since gone back to full size.
I'm 30 and left-handed (Yeah, my mouse clicks do the same as yours lmao). Yeah, I'm old, lol. I remember the good ol' days and playing Warcraft 3/Dota 1 before you could remap the hotkeys, hand position was awkward AF. Ever since we got an option to bind hotkeys to "non-standard" keys, I've been using the arrows keys to move + Home/Delete/Insert/End/PgUp and Down + full Numpad as keybinds and RShift/CTRL as modifiers. Everything is close by and you have like 50 easy-to-access keybinds. Anywho, for me, a full-sized keyboard is a must. Finding a good ambidextrous mouse tho... now that's a pain in the rear.
SO basically your argument is they are better because they are more popular? I see how it is.
60% users be like Num pad? Nav group? Function keys? Pshh.
who needs them when we have 18,000 function layers (;
Absolute programability
I have a 60% keyboard with numpad functionality (in a separate layer), an actual arrow cluster (because my PCB allows for a physically separate arrow cluster and an extra, separate Delete key, instead of an oversized right Shift the size of three normal 1u keys, a pointless right Ctrl, 1.25u Alt Gr and Fn keys which don't need to be bigger than 1u, and a discarded...what, Menu key or whatever they usually have next to right Ctrl that even you don't use or know what it does, but the functionality of which I could easily replicate elsewhere in my layers), and Function keys on all my layers, under the number keys (and corresponding 1 to F1 and 2 to F2 and so on is pretty intuitive, in my opinion). They're pretty convenient to press because one of my layers is activated by a button in-between my two Spacebars, right where my thumb rests.
Idiotic, uninformed keyboard users be like "having the best of both worlds"? Informing yourself about all the options? Technology doesn't need to be limited by big, mainstream companies and their products? Pshh.
I am extremely against tkl keyboards for some reason
YarugumaSou me too, full keyboard is way better, tkl feels empty and small, bigger is better ( what she said )
I am extremely against fullsize keyboards for some reason
Liangshi Xu Damn you asians
Lol i'm asian myself
If you've never tried fully programmable smaller 65% types of keyboards. I can generally say, they're superior when you get used to your own programming of your keyboard, It's faster and more efficient since the daily thousands movement of your fingers from key to key and from key to mouse is much smaller. You should try it for a while :)
I have to agree with this. Last year I got a Drevo 60% gaming keyboard, and I have to say, I miss the other 40%. I have to be honest though, while gaming I dont notice much of a difference and I couldn't care less, even if I need to use the f(#) functions because I can just hold function and select the needed number. The problem I run into, however, is the lack of hotkeys I can use as well as having to go through the tedious process of remaping for using Adobe After Effects, as I use that program a LOT. For example, I had to remap the marker hotkey and it took me forever just to find a key with an open space. So, I feel like if it's just to gamers, they'll be fine with any size keyboard. If it's also for editors and people who also use their computer as their workspace, then they NEED a full size keyboard.
Who has a big table for gaming? No one besides rich people.
I use a kitchen table
Zak s RESPECT BRO
@@zaks3911 He has a table for gaming only. Never been used for dining.
@@shortbtw mine has never been used for dining either, it's in my room with my desktop on it
@@zaks3911 lucky you to have a table
If you want a 60% keyboard
Just cut off the numpad lol
You mean TKL? 60% is even smaller.
60% FTW - *TRIGGERED* :P
40% split ortholinear represent!
niek hendrix atreus62 here
full ftw
To me, it comes down to how much you need the numpad. For simulator games like x-11 jetliner games it is vital to get as many functions as possible.
To be honest its down to personal preference. I have a Kbparadise v60 Type R (lights around the rim of the board) with Cherry MX White (slightly less clickly than blues) with a dark wooden case (to direct the light up and down giving a cool effect) along with grainy textured keycaps with laser etched side printed legends. Not to mention a custom coiled red cable. This thing is fucking amazing, and its much harder to get with a large keyboard.
This is nice!
I tried a 60% keyboard and I just can't go back to a full sized one after using it. It's just so nice to have all that extra room. maybe one day I'll find a full size keyboard that's not obnoxiously large but I doubt it.
I love macros, but I love TKL as well, just opted to use a mouse with 12 macro buttons, this way I can enjoy having a compact keyboard. Plus, i prefer not to take away my right hand on the mouse as much as possible, as this will also add a few seconds delay. Just saying! Thanks for the upload
On my gaming box I have a full keyboard with detachable numpad, and attach the numpad to the left. That way I still get to put my hands relatively close together, but can still use the numpad.
One thing I don't understand is, why are TKL keyboards popular when designs like the Cooler Master Quickfire TK exist? You get a more compact keyboard, yet you sill get both the numpad and the nav keys, and you can still easily press the enter key with your thumb while holding the mouse. Yes, it's exactly one key wider than a TKL, but does that really make a difference?
To me there’s no question at all, 60% or tkl for mobility, if you carry your keyboard to use in other places or with your laptop, but being the desk for me it’s a full size keyboard, that’s all I use, cause typing numbers with the straight row above the letters is such a pain, plus I hate using function keys. I much prefer a full size keyboard with all the keys!
Ergonomically TKL and Logitech's wireless ambidextrous mouse have been game-changers for me. I had to get serious about desk ergonomics and discovered that I was always shifting off-center of the keyboard to try and balance multi-monitor viewing angles and how far I had to reach to use the mouse. Hard to explain and different for everyone, but subtle shifts make a huge difference long-term in whether you create or avoid chronic pain. The ratio of shoulder width to where your elbows are is actually a really big deal! Especially relevant for women because that ratio is usually a larger difference than for men, and the larger keyboard exacerbates some of the issues that difference can cause. I miss the extra keys sometimes but the trade-off is being able to work all day without pain killers. Thinking of getting a separate num pad peripheral for things other than gaming like he mentions in the video.
It's actually faster to hold down a fn key with your left hand and type numbers with your right hand on the alphanumeric keys like having a numpad than to physically move your right hand over to the numpad to type numbers. The only real advantage is price (which is a totally fair point because money is important)
Nevermind big gaming pad, it's basic ergonomics. A full size keyboard mandates that you reach further from typing position to access the mouse, often into, especially for women who are less broad shouldered, an awkward position. Over decades, this will cause more wear than necessary on your joints.
It's the same reason that your monitor should be set to a proper height a reasonable distance from your face. Why it should comfortably fit your field of view. Why you should have area lighting or turn the brightness of your monitor down at night. Why you should buy a good seat and practice good posture.
You get the point.
The R.O.G Claymore, solves this. You could buy a number pad with the tenkeyless ROG Claymore, and it attaches it to the keyboard. So you could remove the number pad while gaming, but have it on while doing other stuff. But the keyboard is very expensive at 200 dollars in Canada.
I've used a notebook without numpad for some 8 years and change.Recently bought a proper gaming desktop and going back to a full sized keyboard was a night and day difference for my excel, corporate account managing and mathematical computation needs. No way I'm going back to a TKL, at least for work and productivity.