The Inside Guys Debate the Importance of Coaching | Inside the NBA
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- The Inside Guys can't agree on the importance of coaching, prompting Ernie to post another Shaq quote on the wall.
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"You were averaging 25, but you were giving up 32".
Chuck is too funny 😂😂😂
When
I was crying
@@blazekush7 3:28
Chuck always calling out Shaq to his face 😂
And what were you doing? You was watching me🤣🤣🤣
I love how EJ immediately started silently writing that note while everyone else was arguing 😂 Making sure that Shaq statement was documented for future reference took precedence over the discussion
Bet he wont write down a date for a boxing match with shaq
He did it so smooth too!
Lol same just casually walking away and camera right behind to the board.
Shaq has a tendency to be a hypocrite
Shaq needs to be featured in Shaqtin’ A Fool for this one.
Lol yep!!
Lol this reminded me of Kevin Hart's impersonation of him
Why? Hes correct.
😂😂😂😂
jaxon davis you’re BiG dumb
Shaq knew he was wrong half way, he just don't wanna admit he was wrong
Lol he does that alot lmfso but glad he's back the show is whole once again
Idk why dudes don't get: just cause you're on tv doesn't mean you can't say ok you're right about that
Diego Porras some people don’t like being wrong
Lol ikr???
He just decided to double down.lol
Shaq:"coach had a positive impact on me with his conversational skills"
Chuck destruction:" that's coaching fool"
🤣🤣🤣
Shaq is by all acounts a great guy, kind, generous, funny, etc. But in anything basketball related, all of that gets overshadowed by his ego.
💯💯💯 .... He think like a dumb jock when it comes to sports
he does have a big ego. and always thinks he's right.
He's a great player, but he's dumb as a sack of rocks.
@@michamarczuk1420 he has a Ph.D
Michał Marczuk Shaq isn’t dumb at all, he’s just stubborn and is sensitive to criticism and jokes.
"You were averaging 25 but giving up 32" 😂. Chuck knows how to hit where it hurts
@Jeffrey Dancel Jr it means Shaq was scoring but giving up more points on defense
Shaq's first day back is off to a rough start. But he makes up for it during the wrestling segment. 😂
Has Shaq seen the Suns and the Kings this year!? Coaching absolutely matters!!!
Lee Love yea look at Steve Kerr and popovich. They lost to the Lakers who supposedly have an avg coach. I think Shaq was trying to say there’s not that much difference between a great coach and an avg coach. Lebron took mike brown and Tyronne lue to the finals many times and now they don’t even have a head coaching job.
@@BigTao The Lakers wanted to hire Lue but didn't want to pay him what he deserved. Now Lue is teamed back up with his partner Doc Rivers at the Lakers' cross-town contenders the Clippers which is a Lakers coaching travesty.
Bro luke Walton is atrocious
@@BigTao There is a big difference imo. Look at the warriors before Kerr got there. They were a good team but not a championship team, Kerr absolutely made a huge difference on that team.
@@B.Piercesports dont forget like Walton is Kerr's protege so I'm really unsurprised hes a bad coach.
This video should be titled: Shaq argues with himself
Lol
Shaq is lowkey trying to take credit away from people who contributed to his success.
Charlie Lan not even surprised. Shaq has a massive ego
Fr. He sounds so ungrateful for having been coached by arguably the greatest coach of all time, straight disrespectful.
It’s not lowkey, he’s blatantly trying to take all the credit
I get what he’s saying he’s just not articulating it well.
What I reckon he’s saying is a coach can only do so much and players need to execute also him stating MJ and Hakeem is to show sometimes it doesn’t matter what a coach strategises when you meet anomalies as players who just cannot he stopped and Shaq in his prime can be included in that list.
His way of articulation wasn’t great and he’s so emotional it clouds the reasoning behind his point, because he can be such a big baby sometimes 😑😑
Shaq would play 1 v 5 if he could
"I didn't say coaches weren't important."
"YOU JUST SAID THAT COACHES WEREN'T IMPORTANT"
A coach's job is to observe the opponent, refer to the tempo and draw up plays to best counter the opposing team's strengths. I don't blame Shaq for his perspective, either, though. In his day, there was a lot more ISO and post-play prevalence, which take out the responsibility of the coaches and makes it fully dependent on the player's awareness and skill-set. The reason he argues it so vehemently is because Jackson's method to approaching Shaq was to get the ball to him and the moment there was a triple-team or even a double-team, operate with the 4 other players outside. Shaq is just so dominant with the ball in his hands he can't see how Jackson enabled him, and it's arguable that Jackson did little to coach him ... but he definitely did go to work with the bench and the other four players.
The coaches gives the defensive assignments, substitutions, points out the mistakes during the timeouts, coaches are important, telling players whether they should switch or not against a pick and roll, when to double team, call zone or man defense, Kobe took it upon himself to go against Byron Scott’s call for Lin on when to foul, which may have costed them the game.
Some players know exactly what to do, that is why a coach can fold him arms and sit back and watch until they see mistakes being made.
The only tarnish on Jordan’s impeccable six ring run is Phil calling for the switch on Allen Iverson, although the Bulls still won. A double team may have been more effective on that play.
When Raekwon made the analogy of RZA being a bad head coach and RZA said that it is the players that need to show up, the coach can only observe and guide you in the right direction.
Someone take Shaq’s Basketball card.
4 chips
Yes if it wasn’t for his Phil Jackson and Pat Riley who are coaches. Coaching does matter.
@@arthurmesa3320 ikr only 2 of the greatest coaches to coach the game.
Coaching matters when the talent is close but great coaches are nothing without superstars. Funny how people critisize a man (Shaq) who dominated the game at the highest level, he knows what he's talking about...
@@arthurmesa3320 Jackson overrated AF
Shaq: plays for debatably the two greatest coaches of all time
Also, Shaq: "coaching has nothing to do with wins"
Tske the.cavs at point. Lue isnt even coaching in the NBA anymore I get what Shaq is saying but he's a lil too high on his point of view
@Sumukh Nitundila ment head coach
@@taylor860gang Lou changed their style of play, which was a big reason why they were successful. But the more superior the talent, the less coaching matters. Steve Kerr, for example, is the most overrated coach in the history of the game. We'll see what hes worth this year.
@@skip6978 I wouldn't say that cuz they won a chip and 70 plus b4 KD even got their
@@skip6978 this age like milk.kerr might win his 10th ring, 5th as a warriors HC on 2023
Is there a Shaqtin a fool for dumb analysis? haha Shaq's probably got Ryan Hollins shaking
What I got from this is “ Phil Jackson ain’t have no plays “
🤣
Haha besides the triangle, which had over 40 different plays off of that one structure.
Shaq has contradicted himself more than the American justice system
This just in “Phil Jackson ain’t have no plays”
americantroy77 the triangle is a read and react system so the opponent defense is what dictate the offense.
@@mrking1785 right
@@mrking1785 What u saying is still a type of coaching. U don't see other teams running the triangle just cuz the opponent defense let them do so
946 Audi I was only replying to the Phil Jackson don’t run plays argument. Phil Jackson got these superstars to buy into his system and he brilliantly mange their egos. Phil Jackson is an outstanding coach.
Shaq proving why he left so much on the table in his career.
I’m not gone call people out 💯💯
2:50 shaq realised he was wrong af
Shaq was pretty dominate in the 1995 Finals. 28 ppg and 12.5 boards a game. But he didn’t slow down Hakeem at all. Coaching definitely has something to do with it.
No it's who's better than who in that position. Shaq wasn't
@@invnoone9349no
This goes out of context. The main issue here is Kenny's rule: If the team lose by 7 points or less, it is the FAULT of the Coach; If they lose by 7 points or more, it is the FAULT of the players. - THAT is the one that Shaq wants to dispute. For him, losing should all goes down to the players; It's all about the EFFORT.
Watch from 0:00 - 0:18
As the conversation goes on, Shaq's point becomes *_Coaching is NOT important_* as Kenny is implying to Shaq's first statement.
When I read "the crew debates" I automatically knew Shaq was somewhere be stubborn.
Shaq got his Doctrine from CVS. I don't know where he comes up with this stuff 😂😂😂😂😂
Coaching has a major impact on a player's careers and in a team's success. Imagine sports without coaching, it would be unstructed and no one would watch and it would be less enjoyable for those watching and playing. Coaches also serve as great leaders off the court too. They can be a role model or be a support for their players. I've read Jay Williams book called Life is not a Accident and he praises Coach K, both as a coach and as a role model off the court. He says their bond helped him get through his lowest points in life and in basketball. In Kobe Bryant's book The Mamba Mentality, he addresses several coaches and how the impacted his career as well. Coaching matters, and it crucial to success, both on an individual and team level.
When shaq said “bro” he knew he was wrong
I’m back after they had this convo again last night
I love how Shaq cannot be wrong in an argument lol!
Yo is Kenny growing a hairline or something 😂
It's so nasty.
its a tattoo
I love these guys who cares who’s right, let them fight.
Shaq calling Hakeem "the king" just shows how much respect he has for the Dream
Dawolf he knows Hakeem cooked him that’s why lol he never disses him
"If you look at all great coaches all they have to do is to sit and relax"
Kenny and chuck *Laughs* 😂😂😂
I love Shaq as a person and as a player. He’s got one of the biggest hearts on planet earth. Definity one of the top 3 centers to ever play the game of basketball, but that was the dumbest things he has ever said.
😂 agreed
Nah he's said dumber
the way i see it is Phil Jackson didn't have to do any coaching in game when things got tough because he wanted the players to figure it out on their own as part of his coaching. and that's only because he had done his coaching before the game even begins during practice, training camp, etc. preparing the players with what they need to do.
Exactly. Having the guys run the system to the point that it's intuitive is why it works. While I don't like D'antoni and his style of coaching, you see the players know what to do that they should.
When EJ got up I lost it......☠️☠️☠️😂🤣😂
“How many rings did you get” - Shaquille O’Neal
It was amusing watching how Shaq tried to dig himself out from this one...:D
“The wisdom of shaq” lol
-Ernie
"You was putting up 25, but giving up 32" XD
Shaq is a very passionate person. You can tell that he’s very prideful
It was a good question. They should make this into a full Open Court show with the rest of the crew (Miller, Kerr, Steve Smith, Webber, etc.) as I'm curious to hear the opinions of the coaches vs players.
Shaq's analogy here was like his analogy on that 20 dollar gas math 😅
I think this should be a new segment with Shaq called Who he coach for?
Shaq doesn't understand that coaching has MANY different parts to it beyond x's and o's. He really has been spoiled by great coaching so he takes it for granted.
So Shaq always bring up 25 and 15. Did shaq ever average those figures. his MVP season he averaged 29 and 13.
Chuck "come on man"
Watch Kawhi, you know that man learned something from coaching.
Not sure if the car gas scenario or if this is a or more ridiculous Shaq moment hahaha
Of all the NBA greats, Shaq would easily be the first to say coaches don’t matter. He never needed anyone to tell him exactly what to do, he just got the ball and dominated
Shaq going Phil Jackson had no plays is a joke. The dude invented the triangle offence.......
This is a Rob Parker/Ryan Hollins moment for Shaq
Chuck just had to bring up Shaq and Kobe not winning 😂😂
Shaq just dissed the man that got him his first ring🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Shaq realized he was wrong halfway through his argument but was too stubborn to admit he was wrong😂, I’m shocked he didn’t throw out his usual “I have 4 rings, how many you got”.
shaq's default defense is "you don't know, I know"
Coaching matters at the grammar school, high school, and at the college level. Once guys make it to the NBA, coaching isn't as important. Why? On offense, everyone runs the same plays. Everyone runs screen/roll, pick and pop, or some version of a post play. Then, you have isolation, which isn't even a play, it is just give the guy the ball and let him do his thing. On defense, everything is either man to man or zone, and on screen/roll, the big guy must "show". The guy getting screened must go under the screen if his opponent can't shoot, or go over the screen if his opponent can shoot. That's all there is to it in NBA coaching. As you see, it's really not a lot.
I can't wait for the cartoon version of this🤣🤣🤣
Just ask the kings this year
Shaq has somewhat of a point even if he’s failing to articulate it. Some championship coaches don’t need to do “Xs and Os” however, he was waaaay off of the notion that “coaches don’t matter.”
Shaq wants to win every argument by stating he won championship....
Shaq never took a team to the FINALS and won by himself he had a great coach and a superstar
I lol when chuck started grabbing Kenny to tell him about the 32-25 coaching thing at 3:35
You was averaging 25 and giving up 32 ....LOL.. chuck is hilarious
He is kinda right. Phil Jackson ain’t gonna guide last years Suns to the playoffs.
These guys could be commentating a blade of grass growing out the ground and I’d still watch 😂😂😂😂
Coaching doesn’t just come from the “coach” it comes from players coaching other players and learning to be leaders
It’s all b.s.. Coaching involves more in today’s game because of the pace of the game. Coaches know when to rest players and when to sub them back in. Players want to stay on the floor and get more playing time. The coach has to control the game by putting the proper match ups in. Great coaching has successfully created and countered the hack a Shaq.
Coaching doesn't happen during a game it happens all year round and there is little a coach can do to effect things in game. Coaching is about preparation
Shaq must be the greatest basketball player who played with no brains but just pure talent.
He's baaaaaaack😂😂🤦🏾♂️
Shaq gets saltier every year. He sensitive af. He paranoid people think his play style wouldn't work in today's game so he makes sure people hear him.
Lol get ur tinfoil cap off
Shaq would be dominate in any era so I don’t think it’s that. I just think he’s one of those guys who doesn’t like to lose arguments so they talk over good points
He is a bit annoying sometimes. Trying to discredit coaching altogether to make his career look even better. Great players need great coaches just as much as great coaches need great players.
@@livefromthemotherland how did he lose this argument
Did Shaq just call out Brian Hill? Haha!
Shaq just jumped out of a jelly into a jam, his stubbornness kicked in once he realized he was wrong. Oh well, at least we got another "auto toon" moment! 🤔😅
Shaq is right. Its more about player talent and circumstances. Lets talk football for a second. Nick Saban looks like a great coach because Alabama recruits the best talent every year. If Saban coached for a no name school he would be irrelevant.
How do you learn to play basketball Shaq? Because of a coach!
I kinda agree with shaq. He played with loose systems and its works.
0:40
i've been liking shaq my whole life as a great nba bigman.
but when he says " you dont know, you dont know",
aww i get so confused if he really is that powerful smart big guy.
i mean really.
I'm sure coaching didn't matter with Shaq. He was unstoppable in his prime
Kobe and shaq and michael, 3 of the greatest to do it, have only won with great teams and LEGENDARY coaches. Cant tell me coaches dont matter.
0:16 Kenny and Chuck were just about to argue with each other, then Shaq has to be all loud and wrong and unite them against him. You can even see them think "Did he just say what I think he said?"
Shaq has a point to yes coaching is important but coaching won't get you a ring. At the end of the day it's the players that play. You think Ty Lue would have a ring without LBJ? You think Kerr would have won a championship or make playoffs without 4 allstars. Greg Pop is probably the only exception but even then when was the last time coach Pop won without an Allstar/allstars Pop's coaching will get you to the playoffs without allstars but not a ring.
I can't believe Shaq has a PhD! That university needs to be burned to the ground! lol
Shaq still desperately looking for that validation. Nobody should argue with the guy. His basketball IQ totally went absurd after retirement.
Shaq is a prime example why great players are not good coaches.
Shaq is thinking about X's and O's. But even if you listen to his own views, and Jordan views and other great players that had Hall of Fame coaches, they all say that same thing. Coaching is about two things getting all your players to buy into the system starting with your stars and managing ego's.
Meanwhile he said before without Phil Jackson pushed him to be the MVP he would’ve continued doing other stuff commercials, rapping etc but because oh Phil he won MVP he once said in an interview, cmon Shaq!
In don’t know jack about basketball but I love their emotion, on both sides for the argument. I’m normally watching them for laughs but this was a great, serious clip. 👍
I swear Shaq doesn’t bring anything logical to this show.
I think Shaq perspective on coaching is the off-the-game routines that take place. The training camps, the drills, the footage tapes, etc... That stuff because come game time, its about putting on the plays that you have practiced over and over again. The coach thats on the bench just decides whats the optimum play at the time, which is not on every possession. You could say he is half right, but you can't say he isn't fulling wrong. What the others are most likely pointing out is the impact of a full immersion of coaching, the motivating, the directional route that coaches try to put you on to reach our potential. The difference is Shaq despite being one the most dominating players, still had a bit more in him if he wanted to reach his potential and despite that he has more rings than everyone on that panel, so its hard to argue with a guy, the dominated and conquered based on 'effort' and talent.
How i wish Shaq didnt win all those championships. If he says Coaching has nothing to do with it then its a slap to both phil jackson and pat riley who are 2 of the greatest coaches in basketball.
I wonder if Shaq is saying all this because he left Phil Jackson, one of the greatest coaches ever, after parting ways with Kobe
Shaq is a Clown
I get what Shaq is saying. For him, coaching was just helping me him get mature and stay motivated. Not about Xs and Os. That makes sense to me for Shaq level players
All Shaq was saying is that coaching didn't make him dominate on the basketball court. The coaching didn't make the Dream team great.
Really miss watching this show without Shaq. It used to be so much better with just Kenny, Chuck, and EJ.
I think what Shaq was trying to say was that execution outside of coaching is important for winning a championship. But that said, we’ve seen the importance of coaching in some of the last 4-5 finals we’ve watched.
Am I the only one that kinda agrees with Shaq? I think it's mostly down to the players in closing games. I think the overall record of teams will be reflection of a coaching staff.
Shaq isn't saying coaching doesn't matter. He's saying the difference between winning during the game isn't what the coach is doing. He can be wrong, some coaches run plays out of timeouts.
"You don't know,I know"
Shaq
cut his mic, Shaq you forget how you and Kobe where manhandled by the Jazz and how Van Gundy couldnt get you and D Wade to the dance. Stop it bro.
Shaq is lowkey right. the best coaches teach from the neck up