The cyber truck does great as an oversized car with a bed. I personally dislike the cyber truck and am not sad it’s leaving, but won’t deny the tech is awesome, and works great as a city vehicle. Looking forward to seeing how your new company Silverado 2500 does…and love how you guys are doing your best to long term show us new EV’s and vehicles in general as soon as you can, unbiased.
If money is no object, it makes a great yard work vehicle as it can haul anything you need from the local Home Depot and can even tow back a rental trailer with a backhoe for more extreme projects. For commercial use, there are much more economical choices, but for a wealthy homeowner looking for the latest tech in a great daily commuter they can charge overnight, this can be a fun choice with plenty of truck-adjacent benefits. It even fits in a garage better than most trucks, if only just barely.
As some else said, the technology of this truck is the result not of advancing (its) performance per se, but to overcome it's innate design hurdles. You're comment that it's a big car with a bed, are my same words. And a very fast car, that weighs an insane amount for car. That's all it is: an exercise.
As much as I dislike the Cybertruck, the ID Buzz seems like a such a horrible value for the money- the weak range and acceleration for 66-70K, IDK, just my opinion.
Crazy acceleration in an EV is a fun party trick that you outgrow pretty quickly. Day to day nobody who actually buys minivans needs 700hp. It has more than enough torgue and power for normal driving, more usable power than any ICE minivan. I do agree though hard to justify $70k when $50k gets you a pretty nice regular hybrid.
It's our third truck on the property. We also have an f150 and a dodge flatbed. It's good on some points and weak on others. I think electric work trucks will be a big deal as they iron out the kinks. Elminating fuel and maintenance costs is huge. As is being able to securely lock the contents of the bed. You can also verify the trailer wire from inside the cab which is amazing when its dark and wet.
@@TheOutdoorBeerReview I'd think the ID Buzz would have less "baggage" going forward. There wasn't as much hype around it to start and I'd expect the sales volumes to be low enough that the secondary market wouldn't be really bad. Conversely, I think Tesla flooded the Cybertruck market and I don't think the secondary market is as big as Elon thinks it will be.
@@TeslaIncome Nice. I asked because many who own one have other rigs. That this is your only one and does so much well for you, is sweet. I love the way it looks and baffled why so many hate the truck (not just dislike, but hate). There's pictures of people flipping off the drivers of CTs. Bizarre.
@@oneanddone7992 yea the number of flip offs has gone done quite a bit. Whatever.. people are weird. Some just can’t handle change or a unique design but many are influenced by politics and are now being told Elon is Hitler.
Imagine believing you can plow snow with a vehicle that can’t be washed, rained on, can’t go off-road and needs towed out of ditches constantly when there is a few inches of snow
Rating a vehicle being the “best” is silly. Because the “best for everyone is a different definition. 90% of pickup owners don’t tow ever ! So for those people , full self driving makes it the best. 99% of pickup are not going cross country, so for them it’s the best. For commercial workers, the diesel trucks will always be the best ! But 90% of pickup are not commercial use vehicles, they are mall crawlers
Tommy stated at the end of the recent fleet update video that they are getting about $80k for the Cybertruck, so about a 20% depreciation in ~2/3 of a year.
When you consider that this in almost every way a one of a kind and brand new vehicle in so many ways I think it has done extremely well in it's first year. In the aviation world we always said, "don't buy the A model of anything" because there is always a learning curve and refinements to be made when something is complex and innovative.
Fair review! Off-roading in the Cybertruck would be a nightmare, IMO. A big obstacle for the CT is something an actually competent offroader wouldnt even clock as significant. To be fair, though, a lot of cars market themselves as offroad worthy when they are not.
My grumble with the RV Trailer Pull is the DC Fast Charge cost is unfair to the total cost of charging the vehicle. You went 85 miles, it cost from zero to 100% $35 and if you only charge on fast charge that is fair but charging from home that would be $0.10/kw(ish) or $10.70 per tank vs the Ram's 31 gallon tank at $2.93/gal would be $91 to full every trip.
@@bobbysuazjFhvcfghExactly. It's all in the use case. And in many real world use cases you could save close to the cost of the truck over 15 years of ownership. That's if you get the 80k version. If you live in California and you drive a lot, compared to a full size ICE pickup, even the 100k version of CT could actually save you more than $100k over 15 years of ownership.
The average electric rate in boulder colorado is .16c/kw in the summer and 13 in the winter. And the point of the video was the cost while you were towing long distance so public charging was the way to price it.
Why would you compare an EV to a Cummings truck for towing? That would only be of any value if you were towing cross country. How often do people tow cross country? My guess is most towing is done locally and if they charge at home like I can, I only pay $.13 per kilowatt. Using $.13 per kilowatt I’m guessing would be cheaper than the diesel on a daily basis.
Good trucks do not need to go off-road. That's just y'all's kink. My 99 4x4 crew 1ton powerstroke is an amazing truck. Its crap offroad because its too heavy and long.
Completely agree. A truck is defined by its towing/hauling capability (that’s literally the definition of “trucking”), not its ability to be a jeep. CT is still garbage. Nothing against EV trucks, I love my Sierra EV. I just can’t understand how the CT got past the design phase. Terrible towing range, disappointing charging curve, lousy bed design, awful visibility, and the hitch hard to access and at risk of breaking off. If they’d marketed it as an SUV I might be able to forgive some of its failings, but as a truck it’s just bad.
@@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh have well over 200k worth of vehicles sitting in the driveway currently including a model s and an r1t. Afford has nothing to do with it. It's hideous.
I enjoy my cybertruck, but I also have a Silverado EV, hummer EV, lightning, r1t, model s plaid, and a taycan Turbo S, so it’s just another EV toy for me.
Doing that rock climbing/off-road activity with a vehicle that has aluminium parts in its structure is very unwise, especially when we consider where the battery is and the potential consequences of any physical damage to the battery cells.
Right - for many people design is very attractive. I think 100k was initial hype. According to Sandy Munro it should be very inexpensive to produce. My bet that they will drop the pricing to 60k-80k levels. And will still be profitable.
If you can charge for free, switching to a Tesla Cybertruck instead of a Ford F-150 diesel could save you over $52,500 in fuel and maintenance costs alone over 15 years (estimated life of truck). Factor in potential resale value and other benefits, and you're easily looking at $100k+ in overall savings. Definitely worth the investment!
When I think about what kind of truck I could get for $100k I am just not convinced this is a truck worth buying unless you have a very specific, non-truck related, reason to buy it. I would probably aim to classify the "why" a bit better when saying you would buy the truck again if given the opportunity. I believe that was the intention but it was just not clearly stated. Glad TFL could put this vehicle through it's paces.
The Non-Foundation is much better than the Foundation series. I have had my Non-Foundation for 2 weeks, and I am loving it. Nothing on the road compares to it. When you buy a Tesla, you're buying into the technology.
So, are you 6’7 tall? Cus his are you getting things in and out of that bed? Did you just buy it cus it’s interesting? Or did you actually need a truck? And if so for that money there are better ev trucks that do trucking much better objectively. I’d really love to hear more about why you made this purchase 🙏🏾
@ I own 12 horses. I haul hay in my CT all the time. I don't tow long distances with it but short distances it works just fine. I have friends with the Silverado EV, Rivian, and the Lightning. Neither of those trucks "do trucking" better than my CT. The Silverado has the advantage in range but it also weighs 30% more, has a shorter bed, and the technology in the truck is terrible. The F-150 Lightning is great it just charges too slowly and at the time the decision was made did not have access to the supercharger network. Also the bed on my CT is a little longer which suits my needs more with hay hauling. The Rivian is just too small for my needs. During hurricane Milton my CT powered my house during the power outage. It powered everything AC, hot water, well pump. During the day I just let the generator take over and charged the truck in town while running errands. Was super easy and convenient since gas stations were out of gas or had massive lines.
I'm wondering what the condition of the panels are underneath the wrap. I read some have had major discoloration of the stainless steel because of the wrap.
Stainless steel is very resilient to discoloring; the only reliable way to permanently change the color is through heat\tempering\blueing. Everything else is just surface level, and can be restored fairly easily by a good detailing service, though it may be tedious and thus expensive.
I heard that almost all of them have sheered off, and Tesla have refused the warranty on every one of them. Media outlets like TFL are paid to keep it quiet…
@@BrianSFischer that's still quite bad... A trailer can flip over a truck by the hitch alone, it's not supposed to break off if you have an appropriate coupler and ball. If an impact of any type busts this hitch off (besides going 100mph into a bridge) that's REALLY bad! It should be rated for single axle garden / light utility trailers and bicycle racks if it's that weak...
I enjoyed driving it myself, but everything I like about the cybertruck begs the question couldn’t all of what makes it good gone into a more traditional looking truck
I'm just an internet dumbass, but my understanding is that the CyberTruck was supposed to save a lot of complexity and money by being built into a single insta-folded sheet of stainless steel, and NOT have a traditional frame. For this reason, it looks like it looks. However, that did not work, so the CyberTruck you get to look at is the cost and complexity of a VERY traditional frame hiding under a now superfluous file of stainless steel panels that matches the cosmetic appearance of the first reveal.
It was designed groundup without needing an engine bay. For the size it uses space very well w bigger bed, larger feeling cabin and all the convenience of competitors.
Woah. The kWh conversion of diesel kinda blew my mind. The Ram was more than 3 times more inefficient! Electric is for sure the way to go, but it's not there yet for ALL users, but probably 90%.
I am surprised no one has made a truck that copied diesel electric locomotives. The diesel just generates electrical power, and there are traction motors on the wheels. When it's parked, you can use it as a generator.
Thanks for confirming the fog issue for FSD. I was assuming that a heavy fog would interfere with a camera-only driver assist system, but people were confidently claiming that fog doesn't affect FSD.
Shouldn't have got it, now the buzz.... I dunno it's a popular one if you can get it quickly but early reports from other insiders already say it's not a very good vehicle for being delayed numerous times
buzz been available in europe a couple years now... its good in the cargo/commercial version as price point makes more sense... not so much as a minivan
I have actually enjoyed your reviews of the CT. Very different. No interest at all in the EV hippy van, I suspect the novelty for it will quickly wear off.
I bought my 2024 Silverado 2500HD Duramax LTZ to do truck things. And it does them spectacularly. I have 20k miles on it, most of which is with my 5th wheel connected to it. Wind makes a big difference in range but I often see well over 300 to almost 400 miles of range. And I paid $30k less than the CT. The CT is not a truck if it can't do truck things.
@@yz125ryder Charging away from home is more expensive than fuel ($.30 to .45/kw). You are right about charging from home but I want to tow 2,000 miles from home. Face it, the EV infrastructure is not ready for that. Neither are the trucks. Until they get an EV to charge as fast as gas or very near it, road tripping an EV is not going to happen for the vast majority of people. It will never work for towing until the charger are pull through. I won't argue about an EV as a commuter car. Much cheaper than ICE if you charge at home.
2500 miles and 20 charges? Every 125 miles you have to stop? For what, 45 minutes at least each time? That's a freaking nightmare road trip for anyone other than MAYBE a retiree who's just driving around
It’s very unlikely it was 45 minutes for each charge. You can replenish 125 miles in like 10 or 15 minutes. Just about enough time to go to the restroom.
You do understand that they're getting 80-100 miles TOWING which driving normally would be like 500 miles, right? So they need to recharge the amount of battery which would NORMALLY be for 500 miles... So 45 minutes was me being generous
I find it sort of funny that none of you speak about when you're referencing cost differential brake repair, engine repair, transmission repair of your gas powered trucks calculated in to that saving factor, you do not have that with a cyber truck! Last time I checked a diesel engine is very costly.
When I had my Volkswagen Rabbit pickup truck I was constantly being told that if I could not put a 4 by 8 sheet of plywood in the bed with the tailgate up, it was not a truck. I cannot see a sheet of plywood being in the bed of the cybertruck
Can't reach and then touches the spare wheel. Also the CT was not in the suspension low position. I call partial BS as other full size trucks (the lifted even more) are also difficult to reach into.
@TFD31 A true truck is one that does work things. It hauls, it tows, it gets people to the job site safely. I acknowledge the cyber truck may be a better lifestyle vehicle. It's not what I'd buy if my income relied on it.
You forgot to mention stainless steel body, that is very hard to scratch or beat. I think it’s a very big advantage for the truck. Also its very easy (and inexpensive) to wrap DIY any way you want.
The bulletproof stainless has been found to corrode when magnets are placed on it. Buyers are finding the discoloration and corrosion after removing magnetized covers.
Finally the sh!t show is gone. Hopefully it generates enough view for your cost. I sat in one yesterday, and the build quality is just hilarious, especially just coming out of an ID Buzz.
Didn't see any of the CT videos but thanks for summarizing it here. There are many other trucks I would get before even considering the CT. The front is ok but the whole back is ugly imo, Telsa network or not.
I’m not disappointed it’s going because it’s frankly just ugly. Style is always personal. The new Id buzz is ugly inside poor range and the price is way too expensive. Cybertruck ugly on the outside…ID Buzz ugly on the inside.
Really wanted to get idbuzz but its overpriced for the range it has, will wait a year and pick one up with low miles in the mid $40s. You'll regret trading in your CT for buzz, I had Cybertruck but sold it in june, miss it but glad I sold it since they dropped another $30k since june
The Cybertruck is a product of one man's ego. Whilst there isn't necessarily anything wrong with ego-projects, more often than not, it results in a creation that is by its very nature compromised in practicality for many if not most people. To be fair, there isn't a vehicle on the planet, past or present, that wasn't or isn't compromised in some way. There is not such thing as a perfect vehicle. The Cybertruck is particularly compromised in so many ways as the person with the ego that inspired it has an incredibly massive, over-inflated view of himself and an ego the size of planet Mars. The vehicle is therefore going to reflect that and is a very bold statement by that person. People who are attracted to the Cybertruck are therefore going to identify with certain aspects of it and those that dislike it are going to be very switched off. It isn't a matter of right or wrong, but being a product of someone of such a strong character, the vehicle itself will also be of a very clear-cut character and like the man himself, it will be controversial and polarising. This isn't really a vehicle designed for the masses.
As Out of Spec recently showed though the CCS charging network is just as good as the Supercharger network when they did their I-90 Surge from Seattle to Boston, a CCS car came 2nd and had they not had a couple of small hiccups the Ioniq 6 could have beat the Model 3. But even so they were only about 15min apart. The CEO though won't be helping their sales at all particularly now and once new administration moves into the White House even more so.
2500 miles and 20 stops, that's roughly every 125 miles. Who the hell stops that often when they road trip. I stop about every 375 miles miles, or basically when my tank goes from full to 1/4 tank left. So in that trip I would only have to stop 6 times to fill up. When I road trip I eat gas station food or if there is a fast food place there I get that and eat as I drive. Same this with bathroom breaks, I go when I get gas unless I just can't wait, but then I'll fill up and then go again till I need gas. That trim not critical? the point of it is to keep the track clean and water out, if it's not there or flapping away that track will go to shit soon, and the point of the cover is to keep water out and cover your stuff. If water seeps in then what's the point, and if the track is corroded then it won't close, like I have seen on others video's.
With three younger kids we stop about every 2 hours of driving to snack, stretch, and use the restroom. That gives us just enough time to charge for the next two hours of driving.
The Cybertruck needs at least an 150kw battery. It will happen as battery efficiency improves. The Cybertruck has an 800 volt charging system. The current supercharger network is a 400 volt system. The 1000 volt V4 will make the Cybertruck the fastest charging electric truck available in the US. Even so today the Chevy Silverado electric is the best Truck on the us market.
The cyber truck does great as an oversized car with a bed. I personally dislike the cyber truck and am not sad it’s leaving, but won’t deny the tech is awesome, and works great as a city vehicle. Looking forward to seeing how your new company Silverado 2500 does…and love how you guys are doing your best to long term show us new EV’s and vehicles in general as soon as you can, unbiased.
If money is no object, it makes a great yard work vehicle as it can haul anything you need from the local Home Depot and can even tow back a rental trailer with a backhoe for more extreme projects.
For commercial use, there are much more economical choices, but for a wealthy homeowner looking for the latest tech in a great daily commuter they can charge overnight, this can be a fun choice with plenty of truck-adjacent benefits. It even fits in a garage better than most trucks, if only just barely.
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@Cloud30000 bahahaha "yard work vehicle".....perfect
As some else said, the technology of this truck is the result not of advancing (its) performance per se, but to overcome it's innate design hurdles.
You're comment that it's a big car with a bed, are my same words. And a very fast car, that weighs an insane amount for car. That's all it is: an exercise.
@@Cloud30000 With the Rivian, Lightning, and the Silverado EV, no, the cybert* is the worst option.
As much as I dislike the Cybertruck, the ID Buzz seems like a such a horrible value for the money- the weak range and acceleration for 66-70K, IDK, just my opinion.
Agree
You don't get a van for acceleration. I like the buzz, but i agree, its too expensive, the price should be 50k.
The ID Buzz is a van. Not a sports car. It still has a much faster takeoff than many of the majority of gasoline vans produced today.
@@OpinionatedOG184 For an electric platform at the price point you shouldn't have to compromise on speed AND range
Crazy acceleration in an EV is a fun party trick that you outgrow pretty quickly. Day to day nobody who actually buys minivans needs 700hp. It has more than enough torgue and power for normal driving, more usable power than any ICE minivan. I do agree though hard to justify $70k when $50k gets you a pretty nice regular hybrid.
It's our third truck on the property. We also have an f150 and a dodge flatbed. It's good on some points and weak on others. I think electric work trucks will be a big deal as they iron out the kinks. Elminating fuel and maintenance costs is huge. As is being able to securely lock the contents of the bed. You can also verify the trailer wire from inside the cab which is amazing when its dark and wet.
Getting out before it drops in value by 50%.
@@TheOutdoorBeerReview I hope your theory comes true. I will GLADLY pick up a cheap used VW Bus. Anyone here want to sell? I will buy!
Glad you got untied from that anchor of depreciation.
And trading it for one that will probably drop even faster.
@@TheOutdoorBeerReview I'd think the ID Buzz would have less "baggage" going forward. There wasn't as much hype around it to start and I'd expect the sales volumes to be low enough that the secondary market wouldn't be really bad.
Conversely, I think Tesla flooded the Cybertruck market and I don't think the secondary market is as big as Elon thinks it will be.
@@TheOutdoorBeerReview where the hell you live with taxes are $12,000?
Mine has over 30K miles in 7 months.. loving it and if it ever starts snowing in Flagstaff, I'll be plowing snow with it. Woohoo!!
What other cars/trucks do you have?
@ currently? zero. It’s my daily driver, road tripper and everything in between..
@@TeslaIncome Nice. I asked because many who own one have other rigs. That this is your only one and does so much well for you, is sweet. I love the way it looks and baffled why so many hate the truck (not just dislike, but hate). There's pictures of people flipping off the drivers of CTs. Bizarre.
@@oneanddone7992 yea the number of flip offs has gone done quite a bit. Whatever.. people are weird. Some just can’t handle change or a unique design but many are influenced by politics and are now being told Elon is Hitler.
Imagine believing you can plow snow with a vehicle that can’t be washed, rained on, can’t go off-road and needs towed out of ditches constantly when there is a few inches of snow
Rating a vehicle being the “best” is silly. Because the “best for everyone is a different definition. 90% of pickup owners don’t tow ever ! So for those people , full self driving makes it the best. 99% of pickup are not going cross country, so for them it’s the best. For commercial workers, the diesel trucks will always be the best ! But 90% of pickup are not commercial use vehicles, they are mall crawlers
Hey, stop that logic and let me mall crawl in peace! 😂
@@stevejordan-fd1om correct 👍
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If only full self driving existed.
who wants fsd? I don't. I think the price tag is idiotic as well. I'm fine driving myself correctly.
My Honda Pilot also has a tow hitch cover.
Dump that thing and get a Tesla Y. U will thank me later
The difference is you can take that cover off and pull a trailer without worrying about the hitch breaking off because they used cast aluminum.
Tommy said it’s a huge truck, but it’s actually a tiny bit smaller than the Ford F150.
Maybe they meant heavier?
The way trucks keep growing, it might be a mini truck by the next couple of generations from the big three!
Still huge for Moab
@, it’s definitely heavier, but huge always refers to size
@@brohammer, that’s for sure
Tommy stated at the end of the recent fleet update video that they are getting about $80k for the Cybertruck, so about a 20% depreciation in ~2/3 of a year.
No surprise, when you can get a brand new one for $80,000
20% depreciation is pretty standard outside Covid times.
1st editions are normally sold at a premium for hot new expensive cars. Not regular pricing.
@BrianSFischer for the base model they spent over 100k
Tesla is leasing them now, so sales must be down.
Just picked mine up a week ago so interested in people’s long term review. This felt fair with reasonable criticisms.
Ha! I saw a Cybertruck with flag wrap on a car carrier heading East on I-80 this afternoon. I thought I might see a video on getting rid of the beast.
Since when has the Stars and Stripes been controversial?
I mean... Depends how much you like the country sending money to certain countries who are committing Genocide.
It’s because the vehicle is so attention grabbing to begin with.
Since the far right started using it as a symbol for "real" Americans and "real" values
When you consider that this in almost every way a one of a kind and brand new vehicle in so many ways I think it has done extremely well in it's first year. In the aviation world we always said, "don't buy the A model of anything" because there is always a learning curve and refinements to be made when something is complex and innovative.
Fair review! Off-roading in the Cybertruck would be a nightmare, IMO. A big obstacle for the CT is something an actually competent offroader wouldnt even clock as significant. To be fair, though, a lot of cars market themselves as offroad worthy when they are not.
My grumble with the RV Trailer Pull is the DC Fast Charge cost is unfair to the total cost of charging the vehicle. You went 85 miles, it cost from zero to 100% $35 and if you only charge on fast charge that is fair but charging from home that would be $0.10/kw(ish) or $10.70 per tank vs the Ram's 31 gallon tank at $2.93/gal would be $91 to full every trip.
If ur towing heavy loads long distances regularly, don’t get an EV. If ur towing locally, DO get an EV, u will save a fortune
@@bobbysuazjFhvcfghExactly. It's all in the use case. And in many real world use cases you could save close to the cost of the truck over 15 years of ownership. That's if you get the 80k version.
If you live in California and you drive a lot, compared to a full size ICE pickup, even the 100k version of CT could actually save you more than $100k over 15 years of ownership.
@@bobbysuazjFhvcfghyup, very based answer.
The average electric rate in boulder colorado is .16c/kw in the summer and 13 in the winter. And the point of the video was the cost while you were towing long distance so public charging was the way to price it.
not .10 cents bro aleast .16 cents plus
Why would you compare an EV to a Cummings truck for towing? That would only be of any value if you were towing cross country. How often do people tow cross country? My guess is most towing is done locally and if they charge at home like I can, I only pay $.13 per kilowatt. Using $.13 per kilowatt I’m guessing would be cheaper than the diesel on a daily basis.
By a lot
Yeah the most appropriate comparison would've been a gas F-150 but their conclusion is still directionally true.
@boostav the difference being the f150 will break down but at least it won't drop the trailer on the highway
Good trucks do not need to go off-road. That's just y'all's kink. My 99 4x4 crew 1ton powerstroke is an amazing truck. Its crap offroad because its too heavy and long.
Completely agree. A truck is defined by its towing/hauling capability (that’s literally the definition of “trucking”), not its ability to be a jeep.
CT is still garbage. Nothing against EV trucks, I love my Sierra EV. I just can’t understand how the CT got past the design phase. Terrible towing range, disappointing charging curve, lousy bed design, awful visibility, and the hitch hard to access and at risk of breaking off.
If they’d marketed it as an SUV I might be able to forgive some of its failings, but as a truck it’s just bad.
Bad take is bad. If I'm spending 100k on a truck, it's going off road.
Most trucks do not go off road!
Its advertised by elon as “built to kick butt in baja” so its their job to ferret out that claim
You need to pretend to be a man somehow when the hardest part of your day is checking emails! 😂 it seems like off-roading is the preferred choice!
It’s like making an aircraft carrier into a cruise ship…it’s a head turner but very impractical!
If you look at the reflection on the side of cybertruck it's wavy. There's a reason no vehicle has flat panels.
I'm the only genius that noticed this.
It is perplexing to harbor such intense animosity towards an inanimate object.
No way I'd trade a Cybertruck for a ID buzz.
No way I'd buy that hideous thing to begin with.
@@Joeblk10no way u can afford either 😂😂😂
@@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh Exactly. Lol.
@@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh have well over 200k worth of vehicles sitting in the driveway currently including a model s and an r1t. Afford has nothing to do with it. It's hideous.
I enjoy my cybertruck, but I also have a Silverado EV, hummer EV, lightning, r1t, model s plaid, and a taycan Turbo S, so it’s just another EV toy for me.
Reliability at 11,000 miles????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Some questioned the reliability before they even got it lol
Maybe durability is a measure of reliability over time?
I guess to be fair the hummer never made it there
I mean the Toyota Tacoma broke before it got there so…
My neighbor’s ford died at 4900 miles 🤷♂️
I would absolutely buy a Cybertruck!
Doing that rock climbing/off-road activity with a vehicle that has aluminium parts in its structure is very unwise, especially when we consider where the battery is and the potential consequences of any physical damage to the battery cells.
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Questions is. Is it worth 100k? I think not.
Well then, it's a good thing you can get them for 80k now.
Right - for many people design is very attractive. I think 100k was initial hype. According to Sandy Munro it should be very inexpensive to produce. My bet that they will drop the pricing to 60k-80k levels. And will still be profitable.
I think it’s worth 60k-80k.👍
ITS STILL UGLY THO
If you can charge for free, switching to a Tesla Cybertruck instead of a Ford F-150 diesel could save you over $52,500 in fuel and maintenance costs alone over 15 years (estimated life of truck). Factor in potential resale value and other benefits, and you're easily looking at $100k+ in overall savings. Definitely worth the investment!
When I think about what kind of truck I could get for $100k I am just not convinced this is a truck worth buying unless you have a very specific, non-truck related, reason to buy it. I would probably aim to classify the "why" a bit better when saying you would buy the truck again if given the opportunity. I believe that was the intention but it was just not clearly stated. Glad TFL could put this vehicle through it's paces.
The Non-Foundation is much better than the Foundation series. I have had my Non-Foundation for 2 weeks, and I am loving it. Nothing on the road compares to it. When you buy a Tesla, you're buying into the technology.
I have gotten 200+kw charging on my CT every time I've gone to a supercharger.
So, are you 6’7 tall? Cus his are you getting things in and out of that bed? Did you just buy it cus it’s interesting? Or did you actually need a truck? And if so for that money there are better ev trucks that do trucking much better objectively. I’d really love to hear more about why you made this purchase 🙏🏾
@ I own 12 horses. I haul hay in my CT all the time. I don't tow long distances with it but short distances it works just fine.
I have friends with the Silverado EV, Rivian, and the Lightning. Neither of those trucks "do trucking" better than my CT. The Silverado has the advantage in range but it also weighs 30% more, has a shorter bed, and the technology in the truck is terrible.
The F-150 Lightning is great it just charges too slowly and at the time the decision was made did not have access to the supercharger network. Also the bed on my CT is a little longer which suits my needs more with hay hauling.
The Rivian is just too small for my needs.
During hurricane Milton my CT powered my house during the power outage. It powered everything AC, hot water, well pump. During the day I just let the generator take over and charged the truck in town while running errands. Was super easy and convenient since gas stations were out of gas or had massive lines.
The CT charging is some of the worst in the industry
@ that is not accurate at all. Very early CTs had a very cautious charging curve. It has been updated and that has been resolved for most of 2024.
@@LafemmebearMusic I prefer the higher sides! It lets you store a lot more items in the back and still close the tonneau!
I'm wondering what the condition of the panels are underneath the wrap. I read some have had major discoloration of the stainless steel because of the wrap.
Stainless steel is very resilient to discoloring; the only reliable way to permanently change the color is through heat\tempering\blueing. Everything else is just surface level, and can be restored fairly easily by a good detailing service, though it may be tedious and thus expensive.
I need to go back and watch the CT videos you all made. I am sorry that I missed them.
very fair review. thx.
Excellent review. I liked your final summary. You would buy it again, but it is not the best! Which one IS the best, I wonder!
So, what about the financials? How much has it depreciated? What are you getting for it in trade?
I was hoping you would address the issue with metal fatigue in the aluminum hitch framing that some people have reported.
Yeah, I've heard a few have broken completely.
Sounds like a safety defect to me, the tow rating should be drastically lowered.
I heard that almost all of them have sheered off, and Tesla have refused the warranty on every one of them.
Media outlets like TFL are paid to keep it quiet…
To date, they don't seem to be any fatigue failures. The three reported failures were due to impact.
@@BrianSFischer that's still quite bad... A trailer can flip over a truck by the hitch alone, it's not supposed to break off if you have an appropriate coupler and ball.
If an impact of any type busts this hitch off (besides going 100mph into a bridge) that's REALLY bad! It should be rated for single axle garden / light utility trailers and bicycle racks if it's that weak...
@@BrianSFischer Thanks for clearing that up. It would be helpful to talk about the rumors to help reassure people.
I enjoyed driving it myself, but everything I like about the cybertruck begs the question couldn’t all of what makes it good gone into a more traditional looking truck
Yup. Form should follow function. In the CT, function is hampered unnecessarily by form.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
If they did a normal truck design, they wouldn't have had nearly as many sales.
I'm just an internet dumbass, but my understanding is that the CyberTruck was supposed to save a lot of complexity and money by being built into a single insta-folded sheet of stainless steel, and NOT have a traditional frame. For this reason, it looks like it looks. However, that did not work, so the CyberTruck you get to look at is the cost and complexity of a VERY traditional frame hiding under a now superfluous file of stainless steel panels that matches the cosmetic appearance of the first reveal.
It was designed groundup without needing an engine bay. For the size it uses space very well w bigger bed, larger feeling cabin and all the convenience of competitors.
Woah. The kWh conversion of diesel kinda blew my mind. The Ram was more than 3 times more inefficient! Electric is for sure the way to go, but it's not there yet for ALL users, but probably 90%.
It does require clear independent thinking to see through all the negativity generated by oil and combustion car companies. 😂😂
finally someone that understands why EVs are way to go
You should see the efficiency of boats. Canals are the real future!
I am surprised no one has made a truck that copied diesel electric locomotives. The diesel just generates electrical power, and there are traction motors on the wheels. When it's parked, you can use it as a generator.
This cyber truck is good enough for over 60% of the people that need a truck and will save you money.
Thanks for confirming the fog issue for FSD. I was assuming that a heavy fog would interfere with a camera-only driver assist system, but people were confidently claiming that fog doesn't affect FSD.
It's never affected mine.
The new Toyota Landcruiser also covers the tow hitch.
Shouldn't have got it, now the buzz.... I dunno it's a popular one if you can get it quickly but early reports from other insiders already say it's not a very good vehicle for being delayed numerous times
buzz been available in europe a couple years now... its good in the cargo/commercial version as price point makes more sense... not so much as a minivan
They do car reviews for a living. Of course they should get it.
Could a custom shop can do something about that hideous body design?
Did the wheel covers ever show up?
No
@@TFLEVgot mine a week ago. 😂
I have actually enjoyed your reviews of the CT. Very different.
No interest at all in the EV hippy van, I suspect the novelty for it will quickly wear off.
Hippy lol passive aggressive statement about people who are different than you is always cool 😅 🤦🏾♀️
@@LafemmebearMusic It was the least offensive (yet most accurate) word I could think of 🙃
Wow!!!!! Turns out I love the Cyber Pickup in color and just hate light silver cdfu. Fun good video guys. Drive like you stole it cmon grandma
ID Buzz doesn't make sense for buyers - at least for most. But for TFL it does.
Did you get corrosion under the wrap like others claim?
Didn't think you were going to be able to buy the buzz in the US.
That was quick 😂😂
I bought my 2024 Silverado 2500HD Duramax LTZ to do truck things. And it does them spectacularly. I have 20k miles on it, most of which is with my 5th wheel connected to it. Wind makes a big difference in range but I often see well over 300 to almost 400 miles of range. And I paid $30k less than the CT. The CT is not a truck if it can't do truck things.
OK… thanks for all that I guess.
Until your emissions system grenades your engine. You’re also paying 5x the cost of fuel vs charging OFF PEAK at home.
@@yz125ryder Charging away from home is more expensive than fuel ($.30 to .45/kw). You are right about charging from home but I want to tow 2,000 miles from home. Face it, the EV infrastructure is not ready for that. Neither are the trucks. Until they get an EV to charge as fast as gas or very near it, road tripping an EV is not going to happen for the vast majority of people. It will never work for towing until the charger are pull through. I won't argue about an EV as a commuter car. Much cheaper than ICE if you charge at home.
@ 95% of people will charge at home. Off peak in Ontario is $.0.03/kwh. It would cost 5 DOLLARS to charge this truck.
@@yz125ryder yep at our work we have easily spent $15k on fuel systems for these. just did a turbo the other day on one for $5k
Every CyberTruck should get a vehicle wrap-preferable to make it look like something else.
Needed off-road mode and no TC to get it good on the tractor pull
Love the rubber Jeep hitch plug!!!
2500 miles and 20 charges?
Every 125 miles you have to stop? For what, 45 minutes at least each time?
That's a freaking nightmare road trip for anyone other than MAYBE a retiree who's just driving around
It’s very unlikely it was 45 minutes for each charge. You can replenish 125 miles in like 10 or 15 minutes. Just about enough time to go to the restroom.
You do understand that they're getting 80-100 miles TOWING which driving normally would be like 500 miles, right?
So they need to recharge the amount of battery which would NORMALLY be for 500 miles... So 45 minutes was me being generous
Who buys a half ton to tow across the country? No one. Buy a diesel. Don't buy gas.
Lots of people? Especially people who believe the fanboys saying the cybertruck is good?
What was your consumption with the LTX Platinums vs the stock tires?
I find it sort of funny that none of you speak about when you're referencing cost differential brake repair, engine repair, transmission repair of your gas powered trucks calculated in to that saving factor, you do not have that with a cyber truck! Last time I checked a diesel engine is very costly.
The American flag wrap added 100% value to the "truck". For me, it went from Butt Ugly to a Beautiful Work of Art.
Would u buy it new or used ?
When I had my Volkswagen Rabbit pickup truck I was constantly being told that if I could not put a 4 by 8 sheet of plywood in the bed with the tailgate up, it was not a truck. I cannot see a sheet of plywood being in the bed of the cybertruck
Such a great pickup! Glad you shared your experiences with it as much as you did on TFL. Thanks Andrey!
2:50 The need to reach over the side is legitimate and the CT's design thwarts that.
17:15 Missing your cost per gallon and cost per kw
Can't reach and then touches the spare wheel. Also the CT was not in the suspension low position.
I call partial BS as other full size trucks (the lifted even more) are also difficult to reach into.
Regarding buy it again, my impression was your F150 Lightning was a better true truck. If you needed an electric truck, wouldn't you take the Ford?
The cybertruck is a better shtf vehicle
What does "better true truck" mean?
@TFD31 A true truck is one that does work things. It hauls, it tows, it gets people to the job site safely. I acknowledge the cyber truck may be a better lifestyle vehicle. It's not what I'd buy if my income relied on it.
@@jrmaxwell4504 lmao a "true" truck. Does "work" things better. You should research more. Say less.
@@jrmaxwell4504 The CT does all this, you just believe dumb videos on the internet, lol.
Could you guys do a comprehensive review of the Hummer EV?
Have a look in the archive from a couple of years ago. TFL used to own one.
So TFL is sending the Cybertruck back to California!
They're made in Texas.
My Mazda CX9 mom-mobile out performs this thing. Towing and all.
The cybertruck was made by someone who clearly doesn’t know anything about trucks. It’s a gimmick and nothing more.
I enjoyed your reviews on this vehicle! Would I get one for me? No. But they are cool!
Great TFL reviews as always!
Glad you like them!
You forgot to mention stainless steel body, that is very hard to scratch or beat. I think it’s a very big advantage for the truck. Also its very easy (and inexpensive) to wrap DIY any way you want.
Also, it’s should protect you from pistol bullets, and many rifle rounds. Thought it is NOT completely bulletproof.
Super durable that it gets damaged if you let rain dry on it
The bulletproof stainless has been found to corrode when magnets are placed on it. Buyers are finding the discoloration and corrosion after removing magnetized covers.
@@chandleredwards Is this true? 🤔
It's been documented
"Super reliable"? 11k miles is hardly enough miles to say if it is or isnt
The RAM 3500 vs the Tesla is not apples to apples. The Tesla is rated as a class 2 vehicle, the RAM 3500 is class 3.
Seems like the Silverado/Sierra are the best EV trucks for 2024. Enough range to tow, fast charging, mid-gate utility. Only downside is the price.
Tesla Cybertruck with FSD ❤❤
Finally the sh!t show is gone. Hopefully it generates enough view for your cost. I sat in one yesterday, and the build quality is just hilarious, especially just coming out of an ID Buzz.
If Andre would buy it again, that's a very good endorsement.
Didn't see any of the CT videos but thanks for summarizing it here. There are many other trucks I would get before even considering the CT. The front is ok but the whole back is ugly imo, Telsa network or not.
You haven't tried to live with it in the winter as a daily use vehicle. I think you're missing an important experience.
I’m not disappointed it’s going because it’s frankly just ugly. Style is always personal. The new Id buzz is ugly inside poor range and the price is way too expensive. Cybertruck ugly on the outside…ID Buzz ugly on the inside.
Really wanted to get idbuzz but its overpriced for the range it has, will wait a year and pick one up with low miles in the mid $40s. You'll regret trading in your CT for buzz, I had Cybertruck but sold it in june, miss it but glad I sold it since they dropped another $30k since june
Glad to see it go and can’t wait for the Buzz!
I was hoping that you guys would get the new GMC EV or the Silverado EV. They are different than the Hummer
Good choice. Get some spacers for the van?
It's almost like theyre scared to say, "For $100,00, prototype, this truck sucks."😂😂😂
Aww. Expected a few more FSD videos.
I was just thinking to myself "Great, because there's no vehicle I'm less interested in than the Cybertruck". Then The Fast Lane said "Hold our beer".
Das Vadanya Cyber Truck... you will not be missed
Can we get the bus and see how it does camping please
Great wrap!
Id love a plug in Hybrid VW Bus!!! Give 50 miles on EV and then and ICE drivetrain for longerr trip. Like the original Chevy Volt.
The Cybertruck is a product of one man's ego. Whilst there isn't necessarily anything wrong with ego-projects, more often than not, it results in a creation that is by its very nature compromised in practicality for many if not most people. To be fair, there isn't a vehicle on the planet, past or present, that wasn't or isn't compromised in some way. There is not such thing as a perfect vehicle. The Cybertruck is particularly compromised in so many ways as the person with the ego that inspired it has an incredibly massive, over-inflated view of himself and an ego the size of planet Mars. The vehicle is therefore going to reflect that and is a very bold statement by that person. People who are attracted to the Cybertruck are therefore going to identify with certain aspects of it and those that dislike it are going to be very switched off. It isn't a matter of right or wrong, but being a product of someone of such a strong character, the vehicle itself will also be of a very clear-cut character and like the man himself, it will be controversial and polarising. This isn't really a vehicle designed for the masses.
Most popular EV truck by far.
This is a lot of blah blah blah, just say you don't like Elon and move on, lol.
It’s about time
As Out of Spec recently showed though the CCS charging network is just as good as the Supercharger network when they did their I-90 Surge from Seattle to Boston, a CCS car came 2nd and had they not had a couple of small hiccups the Ioniq 6 could have beat the Model 3. But even so they were only about 15min apart. The CEO though won't be helping their sales at all particularly now and once new administration moves into the White House even more so.
Where you going to put your ladder rack it's not a regular truck
2500 miles and 20 stops, that's roughly every 125 miles. Who the hell stops that often when they road trip. I stop about every 375 miles miles, or basically when my tank goes from full to 1/4 tank left. So in that trip I would only have to stop 6 times to fill up. When I road trip I eat gas station food or if there is a fast food place there I get that and eat as I drive. Same this with bathroom breaks, I go when I get gas unless I just can't wait, but then I'll fill up and then go again till I need gas. That trim not critical? the point of it is to keep the track clean and water out, if it's not there or flapping away that track will go to shit soon, and the point of the cover is to keep water out and cover your stuff. If water seeps in then what's the point, and if the track is corroded then it won't close, like I have seen on others video's.
You don’t care about your health 😅 some of us stop more cus of families and to find non gas station non fast food 😅 but to each their own sir
For me it adds about 10% more time on road trips
With three younger kids we stop about every 2 hours of driving to snack, stretch, and use the restroom. That gives us just enough time to charge for the next two hours of driving.
Go EVs! 😂😂😂
I stop about every two hours when roadtripping.
Its dumb to get rid of the CT, its only the beginning for that car while the VW is DOA.
Nice truck but I think the excitement is over.
The Cybertruck needs at least an 150kw battery. It will happen as battery efficiency improves.
The Cybertruck has an 800 volt charging system. The current supercharger network is a 400 volt system. The 1000 volt V4 will make the Cybertruck the fastest charging electric truck available in the US.
Even so today the Chevy Silverado electric is the best Truck on the us market.
I think your trading it to early. Was really interested in more cyber truck content. The VW not so much😢
GOOD TRADE.
Looking at this data, that Tesla cybertruck doesn't do any better as far as mileage goes than an 08 Lincoln MKX.
Anyone remembers Pontiac Aztek?