The only apparatus she didn't 'specialize' in, and it was by far the highest-scoring one. That code literally targeted her lmao. She really should have been in contention for a medal here.
Exactly, the code for the Beijing quad completely favored bar workers. All the top AA gymnasts in the AA final were top bar workers, Shawn Johnson was only up there because she was so amazing at the other e events. The code gave bar specialists such an advantage to get massive high 16 and low 17 scores that average bar workers didn't stand a chance in the AA.
The idea is to look at the code and adapt to what it presents. She didn’t and it cost her. It’s really unfortunate- and one thing about that particular code I didn’t like- but it was the reality everyone faced. The area I felt for her on most was vault… such a sad situation.
@@brennenrivera4288 to be fair, bars had the highest evolution of skills during this era so it’s only fair. between release skills and transitions skills from high to low/low to high bar, it’s only makes sense why UB’s was one of the highest scoring events during this Olympics.
@@yooowhatsgood agreed, Pavlova's routine composition was terrible and is a legacy of the old 10 point era, it had no CV when the biggest change post 2006 was the increased emphasis on CV for UB. Or maybe she never trained to perform elements in combination and just wasn't capable of it? Even under the 2012 code when UB wasn't so overscored, UB still would have been a glaring weakness for Pavlova.
She had so much potential but bars wasn't her strong event. I think it's sad that bars was so heavy in score compared to the other events. It almost makes this AA competition not fair. Pav socred higher on floor, vault, and beam than the AA bronze metalist. I wish scoring could be more fair. Pavs would have been better suited for 2000 or 1996 COP
Pavlova was only slightly better on those other 3 events than the Bronze medalist, while being an entire world weaker on this event. The result is completely fair.
Part of the problem has always been- some are really great with bars, some just don’t find a comfort zone with it. Much like balance beam- some are natural at it, some are more challenged to get comfortable.
This routine alone was out of a 5.7, two points behind Nastia Liukin and Yang Yilin and 0.7 points behind Shawn Johnson. It wouldn't even be competitive under 8-count or in the last quad before the open-ended code. Pavlova was beautiful, but her AA performance was just not medalworthy. The only place she could have medaled was beam, where she certainly could have replaced Cheng Fei for bronze, but even that's debatable.
+Tree Hugger Well, she went before she was given the green light, which is an automatic zero. So no, I don't think she was robbed. I think she could have maybe gotten a bronze (though not likely and probably 4th or 5th) if she followed the rules and done the same vaults, but the 0 was fair.
Argyle She thought that the head judge had gestured her to go. It was an honest mistake and was in my and many others' opinions to be completely ridiculous. Regardless of whether or not she would've medaled, she was treated unfairly.
+Tree Hugger how was she treated unfairly? She thought she received the signal to go, but she hadn't, and was penalized according to the rules for going out of turn. Just because you're a fan of someone doesn't mean they don't have to follow procedure. It was an Olympic final, and they followed the official FIG rules. There's nothing more fair than applying the rules to someone who breaks them, intentionally or not.
It’s however up to the gymnasts and coaches to take the code they are given and make the most of what it sets up. She didn’t, and that’s on her and those coaches only. I was not a fan of that code but that is the simple reality.
Anna Pavfan, I was thinking the same!!! If you never had to factor in UB she is absolutely up there with the best of them! Nastia Liukin was just so dominant on the UB that it gave her a major head start. A 7.7 SV? Is there anyone who even has that now? Anna Pavlova has always been one of my favorites and I’m American! She’s so graceful and beautiful to watch! I hated that Beijing was her last Olympics!
Would've loved to have gotten my hands on this routine prior to the Olympics. There's glaringly obvious combinations she could've performed here but she didn't, her giant into straddled Jaeger almost looked like an intermediate swing, just makes her routine look slightly amateur. However, beautiful execution and lovely Pak salto.
She has some nice skills but wasn't a natural on bars. I had come up with a routine for her based on what she used to compete on bars as a junior/new senior but I doubt she could have pulled it off: Hecht mount + cast to HS Toe-on 1½ + Ono + front giant 1/1 + Jaeger Toe-on 1/1 + Tkatchev + Pak Maloney + Bail to HS + stalder shoot Giant 1/1 + DLO Not sure what the D score would be but I guess in the high 6s.
The code for the Beijing was lopsided in favor of bar specialists. All the top AA gymnasts in the AA final were top bar workers, Shawn Johnson was only up there because she was so amazing at the other e events. The code gave bar specialists such an advantage to get massive high 16 and low 17 scores that average bar workers didn't stand a chance in the AA.
True, but in her case this routine would have doomed her chances in any AA final. It's an almost impressively weak routine and one that's not even executed particularly well.
In this code of point, won't simone biles have a chance since her bars in 2016 was her weakest event? It seems like if you had a strong bars routine in 2008, you will, for sure, have a chance at getting a high total score.. Hmm
@@josephqualtier961 Simone would have been like Shawn Johnson: relatively weak on bars but super strong on the other three events. Even after her significant improvements on UB she would not have come close to Liukin or Yang Yilin on it, especially since this COP favoured pirouettes which Simone isn't that strong in. Back in 2008, E + E always got 0.2 CV and you could perform both the Ono and Ling. So Liukin's combination of Ono (E) + Healy (E) + Ono 1/2 (E) + Gienger (D) got a massive 0.6 CV. Also, tumbling difficulty was capped at G so Simone's huge tumbling wasn't as well rewarded. So Simone would have likely either won AA gold by a small margin or silver narrowly behind Liukin.
One of the dumbest routine constructions possible for that scoring system; it looks like it was made for the 1997-2000 era. She has 0 connection bonus and has to count three B elements, this is just catastrophic. I'm sure she could have done a routine worth way more, she clearly has some ability on the apparatus, looking at moves she was able to do earlier in her career and the L-grip work being shown here. It didn't have to be like this!
What’s unfortunate is I don’t think she was ever comfortable on bars- some just aren’t. It ended up costing her two potential AA medals. Much the same as some are just never comfortable on beam.
Aunque no era su mejor aparato fue muy obvio el fraude de no darle mas calificación como era y Semenova si merecía plata o bronce en la final de barras 😢
Start value was key, and Anna in particular did not have it. A SV of 5.7 will not net a high score, simple as that. For Semenova, she did not upgrade her bar routine as others did- Nastia and Yilin in particular, and it cost her. When the top three have a SV of 7.6-7.7 and you start at a 7.4- you give them a three tenths head start. That won’t win a medal.
At least Beth was a two time world champion on bars, and Olympic bronze medalist. Her routines were still miles more intricate and exciting than this level five stuff.
She was, but her big issue in Athens was her floor had a couple of incomplete dance elements. The BBC announcers mentioned it during the course of both her team and AA performances. In that 2004 code a dance element was Uber critically judged- and it cost her significantly in her score both times.
Actually, that team as a whole was weak on bars with the exception of Semenova. It was weird as they’d always been strong on bars- and subsequently were in 2012 and 2016.
The only apparatus she didn't 'specialize' in, and it was by far the highest-scoring one. That code literally targeted her lmao. She really should have been in contention for a medal here.
Exactly, the code for the Beijing quad completely favored bar workers. All the top AA gymnasts in the AA final were top bar workers, Shawn Johnson was only up there because she was so amazing at the other e events. The code gave bar specialists such an advantage to get massive high 16 and low 17 scores that average bar workers didn't stand a chance in the AA.
The idea is to look at the code and adapt to what it presents. She didn’t and it cost her. It’s really unfortunate- and one thing about that particular code I didn’t like- but it was the reality everyone faced. The area I felt for her on most was vault… such a sad situation.
@@brennenrivera4288 to be fair, bars had the highest evolution of skills during this era so it’s only fair. between release skills and transitions skills from high to low/low to high bar, it’s only makes sense why UB’s was one of the highest scoring events during this Olympics.
Parecía como su especialidad por la manera tan excelente lo hacía, maravillosa serie ❤
@@yooowhatsgood agreed, Pavlova's routine composition was terrible and is a legacy of the old 10 point era, it had no CV when the biggest change post 2006 was the increased emphasis on CV for UB. Or maybe she never trained to perform elements in combination and just wasn't capable of it? Even under the 2012 code when UB wasn't so overscored, UB still would have been a glaring weakness for Pavlova.
There's something about Pavlova that just makes you want to love her
her eyes
She's charming..
I just love Anna to bits. She's been my favorite Russian since she first came on the scene as a junior.
She had so much potential but bars wasn't her strong event. I think it's sad that bars was so heavy in score compared to the other events. It almost makes this AA competition not fair. Pav socred higher on floor, vault, and beam than the AA bronze metalist. I wish scoring could be more fair. Pavs would have been better suited for 2000 or 1996 COP
She swings beautifully and has good technique, but this routine construction is just baffling.
Pavlova was only slightly better on those other 3 events than the Bronze medalist, while being an entire world weaker on this event. The result is completely fair.
I never understood how Russia, a country who has had such great bar workers through the years, did not force her to put together a harder bar routine.
Part of the problem has always been- some are really great with bars, some just don’t find a comfort zone with it. Much like balance beam- some are natural at it, some are more challenged to get comfortable.
anna pavlova is my role model. I love her!!!
her pak Salto and Jaeger is one of my favorite eventhough she's not a bar worker✨❤️
Such a good girl and gymnast ❤❤❤❤
Beautiful I think she was the best one in her time even at this time ❤
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO perfect pak salto!!!!
Both Anna and Ksenia were robbed at these games.
This routine alone was out of a 5.7, two points behind Nastia Liukin and Yang Yilin and 0.7 points behind Shawn Johnson. It wouldn't even be competitive under 8-count or in the last quad before the open-ended code. Pavlova was beautiful, but her AA performance was just not medalworthy. The only place she could have medaled was beam, where she certainly could have replaced Cheng Fei for bronze, but even that's debatable.
+Argyle You can't argue that she was robbed on vault though... I'll never forgive those judges for giving her a 0
+Tree Hugger Well, she went before she was given the green light, which is an automatic zero. So no, I don't think she was robbed. I think she could have maybe gotten a bronze (though not likely and probably 4th or 5th) if she followed the rules and done the same vaults, but the 0 was fair.
Argyle She thought that the head judge had gestured her to go. It was an honest mistake and was in my and many others' opinions to be completely ridiculous. Regardless of whether or not she would've medaled, she was treated unfairly.
+Tree Hugger how was she treated unfairly? She thought she received the signal to go, but she hadn't, and was penalized according to the rules for going out of turn. Just because you're a fan of someone doesn't mean they don't have to follow procedure. It was an Olympic final, and they followed the official FIG rules. There's nothing more fair than applying the rules to someone who breaks them, intentionally or not.
Aunque nunca ha sido si mejor aparato siempre hace su rutina limpia y elegante!
Si ella es era muy buena en viga
Pero se supone que aquí ella debería de haber tenido una nota más alta tremendas perras las juezas
YEA MAN! THATS HOW ITS DONE! THANK YOU SO MUCH! HIGHLY APPRECIATED! BLESSINGS!
That was PERFECT!!!
This is why she didn't medal. In 2008 UB was the most over rated apparatus
It’s however up to the gymnasts and coaches to take the code they are given and make the most of what it sets up. She didn’t, and that’s on her and those coaches only. I was not a fan of that code but that is the simple reality.
Gorgeous Pak
Yes Liukin is very elegant since she's Russian too ;)
How am I just noticing now that she did not use grips?! That is freaking amazing, I think she should get bonus points for that.
I don’t think any of the Russians that year did. I know Anna and Ksenia Semenova didn’t. Gotta have tough hands!
I think that may be the best pak I’ve ever seen. There’s 0 arch.
Strong Pak indeed. I adore Anna.
But I have to admit, Liukin's is more elegant.
More elegant than Anna ? What joke.
Anna Pavfan, I was thinking the same!!! If you never had to factor in UB she is absolutely up there with the best of them! Nastia Liukin was just so dominant on the UB that it gave her a major head start. A 7.7 SV? Is there anyone who even has that now? Anna Pavlova has always been one of my favorites and I’m American! She’s so graceful and beautiful to watch! I hated that Beijing was her last Olympics!
Would've loved to have gotten my hands on this routine prior to the Olympics. There's glaringly obvious combinations she could've performed here but she didn't, her giant into straddled Jaeger almost looked like an intermediate swing, just makes her routine look slightly amateur. However, beautiful execution and lovely Pak salto.
She has some nice skills but wasn't a natural on bars. I had come up with a routine for her based on what she used to compete on bars as a junior/new senior but I doubt she could have pulled it off:
Hecht mount + cast to HS
Toe-on 1½ + Ono + front giant 1/1 + Jaeger
Toe-on 1/1 + Tkatchev + Pak
Maloney + Bail to HS + stalder shoot
Giant 1/1 + DLO
Not sure what the D score would be but I guess in the high 6s.
@@Ian.D. That would be a 7.2 D-score, and jumps all the way up to 7.8 if you simply replace the front giant 1/1 with a Healy.
The code for the Beijing was lopsided in favor of bar specialists. All the top AA gymnasts in the AA final were top bar workers, Shawn Johnson was only up there because she was so amazing at the other e events. The code gave bar specialists such an advantage to get massive high 16 and low 17 scores that average bar workers didn't stand a chance in the AA.
The simple reality is, you have to adapt to the code you’re given if you want to medal. Even today bars is a key apparatus.
True, but in her case this routine would have doomed her chances in any AA final. It's an almost impressively weak routine and one that's not even executed particularly well.
Ok the fact that she doesn’t use any grips at all should have given her at least another 2 points. I mean come on how can anyone do that??
Where can I watch the full feed of this? With these commentators
In this code of point, won't simone biles have a chance since her bars in 2016 was her weakest event? It seems like if you had a strong bars routine in 2008, you will, for sure, have a chance at getting a high total score.. Hmm
Simone would’ve been fine because she’s great on bars, and certainly way better than pavlova
@@josephqualtier961 Simone would have been like Shawn Johnson: relatively weak on bars but super strong on the other three events. Even after her significant improvements on UB she would not have come close to Liukin or Yang Yilin on it, especially since this COP favoured pirouettes which Simone isn't that strong in. Back in 2008, E + E always got 0.2 CV and you could perform both the Ono and Ling. So Liukin's combination of Ono (E) + Healy (E) + Ono 1/2 (E) + Gienger (D) got a massive 0.6 CV.
Also, tumbling difficulty was capped at G so Simone's huge tumbling wasn't as well rewarded. So Simone would have likely either won AA gold by a small margin or silver narrowly behind Liukin.
She should have moved up to bronze after that perfect floor
Not when you give your competition TWO points in SV on one event. No way should she have been anywhere near the podium in the AA.
One of the dumbest routine constructions possible for that scoring system; it looks like it was made for the 1997-2000 era. She has 0 connection bonus and has to count three B elements, this is just catastrophic. I'm sure she could have done a routine worth way more, she clearly has some ability on the apparatus, looking at moves she was able to do earlier in her career and the L-grip work being shown here. It didn't have to be like this!
What’s unfortunate is I don’t think she was ever comfortable on bars- some just aren’t. It ended up costing her two potential AA medals. Much the same as some are just never comfortable on beam.
That's how I was hoping that person meant it.
It was her coaches fault...
Did her hand slipt in the dismount? That was scary
No, it just looked different because she wasn’t wearing grips. She actually came off at the perfect time to get the dismount around.
Aunque no era su mejor aparato fue muy obvio el fraude de no darle mas calificación como era y Semenova si merecía plata o bronce en la final de barras 😢
Start value was key, and Anna in particular did not have it. A SV of 5.7 will not net a high score, simple as that. For Semenova, she did not upgrade her bar routine as others did- Nastia and Yilin in particular, and it cost her. When the top three have a SV of 7.6-7.7 and you start at a 7.4- you give them a three tenths head start. That won’t win a medal.
I wouldn't even compare Beth to Pavs on bars. Anna doesn't specialize in this event.
@Tara Adams well at least anna pavlova doesn't do splits evetytimr she does a front giant like tweddle does hahaha!!!!
At least Beth was a two time world champion on bars, and Olympic bronze medalist. Her routines were still miles more intricate and exciting than this level five stuff.
All in all, I feel Shawn Johnson must to be the gold medal, but Liukin is so gorgeous that day
The russians just don't like to use them...look at videos from the 80's hardly anyone is using them
This is why she didn’t medal in the all around because of the weak bar set even in Athens she was weak there
She was, but her big issue in Athens was her floor had a couple of incomplete dance elements. The BBC announcers mentioned it during the course of both her team and AA performances. In that 2004 code a dance element was Uber critically judged- and it cost her significantly in her score both times.
0:53 you're welcome
The only Russian ever to be weak at bars lol
Actually, that team as a whole was weak on bars with the exception of Semenova. It was weird as they’d always been strong on bars- and subsequently were in 2012 and 2016.
Fuck You!
What a dumb comparison.