Liverpool's best ever players in Football Manager
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
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The Liverpool sides of the 1970s and 80s are often regarded as the best club sides of all time. And with good reason, under Bob Paisley they won 6 First Division titles and 3 European Cups, and in 1983/84 they won the domestic treble.
But how good were they? And which was the best? Well, there’s only one way to find out - with Football Manager 22.
Host Iain Macintosh is joined by Tifo’s Joe Devine, JJ Bull and Alex Stewart.
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Whenever any Liverpool goalkeeper is brought up, my dad immediately compares them to Clemence, then proceeds to curse the England coaches at the time for not picking him.
I mean, the man conceded just 16 goals in 42 games in 1978-9, and holds the record for most clean sheets EVER (460), so he has a point.
buffon broke the last record when he got 500 clean sheets just this week, but yes, he is very underrated
Didn't Clements once say something like "I don't know why I'm in this team, I don't have anything to do" ? :)
I mean he did get 61 caps to Shilton's 125 (wikipedia). Assuming they were around the same level, so they'd split the difference on who made it in first who was Shilton.
@@kevinshort3943 nothing wrong with a humble professional!
Whoever is the music/sound producer deserves a raise. Love those jazzy undertones.
The amount of peaking in most episodes, especially the recent liverpool final episode, means that no award should be given please. Lapel mics and crew necks do not mix. Lapel is not neck. Bad.
Intro ad is also always louder than main episode. No award.
@@jonnygillan how do you expect the sound producer to make shouts un-clip in post
@@marscrasher the mics are too close is the problem. Whomever is to blame for that: no awards please
@@jonnygillan no the mics are positioned correctly for normal voice levels. you cant account for huge dynamic range like people screaming when positioning mics for people you expect to be talking most of the time
@@marscrasher Yeah Jon sounds like a Karen with very low knowledge of audio and even less practical practice. It's so easy to criticize.
Also people were talking about the MUSIC, nothing to do with his petties complains about voice recording. I guess it all went over his head (which is not surprising, since he doesn't seem to be the brightest cookie to begin with lol)
As a diehard Kewell fan, would you guys ever consider covering the 2006 Australian World Cup Team? And maybe force Joe to play FM with Guss Hiddink's 3-3-3-1?
As a fellow Aussie would love to see that, especially with all the classic greats Cahill, Everton, and Viduka, shame how far Aus has fallen that won’t even be in the 2022 World Cup
I would love to see them go through golden generations of teams ESPECIALLY Australia's 2006 team. The only thing I've heard about them was the controversial penalty against Italy.
@@TheEliteAlien I think we're quietly glad to not be going to Qatar
@@Derekstefan it wasn't a penalty but also Italy had a player sent off for absolutely no reason in the 40th minute. So they balance each other out
Wasn’t that Bielsa’s 3-3-3-1?
Steve Nicol is sadly underrated. One of the most versitile players of all time and one of the world's best defenders at his peak. Certainly a top 2 fullback at his best.
Absoluetly love that the mad scientist is getting the love and recognition he deserves for his hard work.
Would love to see this done with other teams. The Cantona-lead Manchester United team, the Leeds United team of the 70's, the Barcelona Dream team of the early 90's, the AC Milan team of well, every decade nearly, and so on. (The Danish national team of 92. It had John Jensen from Arsenal in a prominent role)
Loved this series and enjoyed this little addendum to it. Interesting to hear Iain’s comments on the debate about which teams to use. If the late 80s team wasn’t modern enough, there were other options besides the Istanbul team:
2001 treble winners - many of the same players as the 05 team, but arguably better with the likes of Berger, Murphy, Fowler, Owen and Heskey
2006 FA Cup winners - the same Istanbul team but with Benitez’s reinforcements in Reina, Sissoko and Crouch, plus the Gerrard of the Gerrard Final
2008/09 title contenders - mentioned in regards to Gerrard, but this was the peak of Benitez’s reign with Reina, Mascherano, Torres all involved
2013/14 title contenders - brilliantly vibes team with Gerrard, Henderson, Coutinho, Sturbridge, Suarez and a young Raheem Sterling, but Mignolet in goal with Skrtel and Kolo Toure at the back. The perfect Joe Devine team.
Still, Istanbul was the peak of many Reds’ fandom and I was happy to see it included. Spoilt for choice with this club!
The stats for the '05 team here are VERY generous and seem to be based on what the players could have been, or what they were in their peak, rather than who they were in 04/05. 04/05 already in the games Kewell did manage to play he showed nothing of the dribbling and mobility he'd had at Leeds, Milan Baros here seems to be based on who they thought they'd signed in '02 based on his youth but not the player he turned out to be.
@@Tridentus they are generous - maybe not “very” generous? They did get to that final by beating a very good Juventus team and maybe the best ever Chelsea team. Many of the components of both the 2001 treble and the 2008/09 title push were already there (Carragher, Hyypia, Gerrard, Smicer, Hammann, Riise, Alonso, Garcia all took part in at least one of those).
Then again, they did finish 5th.
As for Kewell, Rafa praised him on MNF a few years ago, and it was the 04/05 Kewell that Rafa worked with. The exciting winger we signed from Leeds had gone, but there was a very technically sound player there who could hold the ball up, cut inside from wide, get chalk on the boots to cross and finish. I wouldn’t have started him in Istanbul but I’d want him in my squad. What do you remember of him? Are Rafa and I wearing rose tinted specs?
This is Skrtel slander and I won't stand for it!
@@ILikedGooglePlus I love Skrtel and also I am glad that I get to look back at him as a fond memory instead of dreading the weekend like I used to when he played
@@harrymcmullen2227 VERY generous for some of the players, fine with most of the others. Like I said I think this Baros is based on what people thought he would look like back in 2002, Kewell before his injuries were already crippling him and he'd lost his pace, and Cisse based on what some people might have thought they were getting based on the French league and before he broke his leg.
I could have been more clear.
Just a few things I can't resist commenting upon cuz well,k just because...
Ian Calllaghan - 857 appearances for the Reds. Incredible
Graeme Souness- aggressive hardman but so silky af
Ian Rush - truly two-footed, watch any goal compilation, brilliant header of the ball and could shoot and score from anywhere not just a speed merchant at all. By far the greatest number nine of his generation and beyond imo. Seriously, seriously underrated these days, possibly because he was Welsh as opposed to the relatively limited Lineker
Had lunch with Phil Neal once and he was a great bloke. Told a story about Kenny Dalglish being a cheapskate and turning up to the squad Halloween party as a Scotsman in his own kilt just because he didn't want to spend money on a costume.
He and Alex Ferguson invented copper wire when they fought over a penny one time.
Also, great story Dan 👍
Sad how forgotten Phil neal is, he missed one league game in 10 years. And regularly played 60+ games a season. As good as Liverpools full backs are now, Phil is the true king of full backs at Anfield.
Ive never heard them (until 80s) anyway. But when you show us the ability page, i can imagine what kind of player they were.
Man, ive been too much into FM for 10 years.
Legit. I could picture them at their prime just by those stats. Even tje dressing room environment and training sessions.
Legit. I could picture them at their prime just by those stats. Even tje dressing room environment and training sessions.
Go watch old clips of Ian Rush, or especially watch his old highlights (1989 FA Cup final is a good one), or of Kenny Dalglish.. Rushie was the most obvious one where his clips still look ridiculous reminds me a lot of Torres the way he could finish from any angle and I'd say there's currently zero players who can do it like he could. Dalgish stands out across time for his lateral turns in the box receiving to feet, and his through balls which remind me of Gerrard/Debruyne.
Re-watched the 77 European Cup final on BT sport not so long ago. Liverpool were very clever tacticaly. Ian Callaghan played as a holding midfielder with Kennedy, McDermott & Case in front. Heighway would start in the Middle but constantly look to drag the Center back out wide Left, allowing Kennedy to arrive on the end of crosses in the Box. Keegan was fantastic & considering his reputation Tommy Smith could play a bit.
Morientes was phenomenal for Madrid and fading fast at this point. Unfair criticism
Wasn't he decent for Monaco after this as well? Helping them to a CL final
Whoever made the stats doesnt seem to understand the purpose of Anticipation lol. With most defenders having high Anti, while strikers having low Anti. Anticipation is one of the key attribute for offensive players, especially players like Morientes, Baros, etc
Also, please do this again occasionally with other teams in football. Bayern, Barcelona, Milan, United, it's always fun to take a trip through football history.
Love to see this with some teams with more of an obscure history, like some of the amazing Manchester City, Tottenham or Everton teams
Everton 66, 86 though the 3rd team would have to be fairly old
The city team with colin bell would be nice
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'd love to see one about Nottingham Forrest under Clough. I'm 33 so don't really know anything about the actual players that made up that team
JJ’s laptop is making the Isle of Man crest look very sinister.
Thats razer blade for you
Whoever put PRIME IAN RUSH's pace at 13 deserves a slap
Secrets of Castle Macintosh revealed at 1:53!
Shame there wasn't one of Shank's teams, could've seen Hunt and St John. You know what they say:
Jesus saves
But St John scores on the rebound
I found out recently that mild-mannered Bob’s exact words to Bill after he kept coming to training were “You’ve got to F*** off Bill!”. Strange neither was knighted?
I come at this video as a yank who had supported LFC since Klopp joined in 2015, this video is one of the most concise and enthralling tellings of the history of the legacy of LFC story I have stumbled across yet.
J.J. Bull asks the right questions and ___ is able to relay exquisite detail in his stories of the feats the LFC squads was able to carry out.
All that said our current squad - completely healthy - is truly the best we've ever had. Jurgen is a true genius In choosing his targets and integrating them into his system - Luis Diaz being the latest example - we will win many more trophies before he moves onward and upward.
This feels like a troll....
I despise nearly every opinion Tifo have ever had yet somehow end up watching them near daily. This is internet sorcery of the highest order
Useless fact: Souness was never sent off for Liverpool.
😳😳😳
The Anti-Keane
Absolute proof that the refs were biased
Red cards were for unjustified fist fighting in the 1970s
@@DJMavis 🤣🤣🤣🤣 rent free
Transfer values will be dependant on contract. 5 year will increase your price. There could be discrepancies here depending on how they set the teams up and what lengths they went through to go into that much detail
Got to have Steve Highway in the team. So much of Liverpools play went through him. Almost a free role on the left. could cut inside or outside. would switch flanks. Quick and could dribble or cross. Emlyn Hughes to was very often played almost like a sweeper. This can be seen by how many goals he scored.
I downloaded a 99/00 database for FM 20 to play with a mate, he picked his team (United coming off the treble) and I picked my team Liverpool. Gerrard was ridiculous. every week a ten in training and averaged a goal a game, his stats weren't even that good, he was still a kid, but he was unreal.
So happy I got to see his entire career , truly generational.
Did Iain Macintosh just threaten to kill JJ if he produced substandard content?
Please do a FM Tifo career, and make it a series!
My hot take is that Liverpool's 08/09 team was better than the 04/05
Definetely. The simplest proof of that is how 08/09 team was able to challenge for a title against the star studded United from the late 00's. The 04/05 team was very mediocre. Its win in Istanbul was a miracle
Istanbul was so great because that Liverpool side were so poor, and dragged kicking and screaming to that victory. A team with Traore and Cisse. Finished 5th in the league, only got out the group by "Ya BEAUTY", only got past prime Chelsea to a "Ghost goal" in a game they were demolished, Dudek's impossible double save, Alonso taking his first(?) competitive penalty for the equaliser, missing, and scoring the rebound. It is probably the greatest underdog story in the history of the European Cup
@@ILikedGooglePlus The number of astonishing goals that team scored.. Because we completely lacked quality in the box we got a disproportionate amount of goals from outside the box- Luis Garcia in particular had a knack for worldie goals, obviously Gerrard, Riise the best and most consistent shot I've ever seen, Xabi got a couple, Baros got one from 30.
That team was the opposite of a "machine", there were no reliable avenues toward goal in that team, so everything was either scrappy or a worldie which made the season so dramatic.
Hardly a hot take, doubt you'll find anybody that watched those teams in disagreement
Excellent, I do hope there are more of these coming!
JJ being a bit too kind to whoever made those stats, they were all over the place. Xabi Alonso alone for instance tackling 17, strength 16, vision 14, long shots 12? Long shots bloody 12, the guy who scored from behind the halfway line two seasons in a row 12, one of the best deep-lying playmaker of his generation 14 vision! 17 tackling and 16 strength are way off as well too generous. He wasn't a Souness/Keane/Viera type holding midfielder. Did whoever made them even see him play?
A video on Harry Kewell would be very VERY interesting through a Leeds lens.
I remember as a kid being so underwhelmed by Kewell, then I found some of his clips (youtube was just starting around then) for Leeds that were only a few years old then- mind blown. That was around the time we didn't really have any skillful players ever, til Torres and then Suarez, and no skillful wingers until basically the current lot... So I was so gutted for Kewell's injuries as an Aussie whose parents moved here in '04
@@Tridentus there's one where he chips the keeper with the outside of his boot only person I ever see do that was Henry, how Harry doesnt have a legendary card in fifa is ridiculous
@@Tridentus he played his best football in a Leeds shirt by far. The story didn’t really end when he left though. He eventually went to Galatasaray which as you can imagine didn’t go down well in Leeds.
I'd forgotten that Dalglish and Rush once played in the same team. No wonder they won so much.
The late 80's team was what made me fall in love with LFC. John Barnes is still my hero.
Rush was the ultimate pressing forward as well as a top goal scorer
United fan from Asia here and I’ve only been familiar in their legendary teams of the past so this video really does satisfy my curiosity on how things are for our rivals.
Much appreciated. CAW !
1:53 Ooh, a spooky face appears
Very hardh on rush. He was the definition of a complete forward, not just a poacher
Would love this for Arsenal with the 89-91 side, 97/98 and 03/04 - but the current team couldn't hold a candle to those sides (yet...) for a 4 team challenge video
Amazing video !!
Paisley has more trophies in fewer years than Ferguson
Great video guys!
The song says Stevie Heighway on the wing, but he couldn't even get into the squad lol
Its one of our best older songs as well!
We had dreams and songs to sing!
Kewell was so good
First person I ever saw do a rabona, when he was at Leeds. Liverpool never got the best of him, but Leeds' Kewell was a joy
Iain was far too harsh on the 2005 Liverpool team. The ability to win is more important than the quality of the players. And the 2005 had an unbelievable ability to win. They beat Juve, Chelsea and AC Milan after all.
Hansen was a brilliant pundit btw
I'd love to see what the 1987/88 team looks like in Football Manager.
You're saying these stats are very generous JJ? TELL IT TO THE JUDGE!!
would love to see this type a vid with other teams like UTD and arsenal
Do a Real Madrid version aswell pls?
Love this type of video 😍
More retro FM please, can I request Keegan’s entertainers? 😁
12:48 Castle Mackintosh seems both very small and very unimpressive.
I'm not sure he's even a real ghost
Sad to think about all those children lost at castle Macintosh
Best video from Tifo IRL, apart from the Liverpool teams competition.
Do one for Arsenal!
Craig Johnston only ever appeared internationally for England U-21 so that's probably why he's listed as English?
Liverpool's best players are from CM92, Mike Marsh and Rob Jones.
I think carra started as a striker
Is there a list of all the books that Mackintosh is recommending? I was interested in the book he recommended by Tony Evans but I can't find what particular one he's taking about
Not sure if I'm too late for this, but the book is called, "I Don't Know What It Is, But I Love It," which is kind of ironic given that I didn't know what it was called, but I loved it.
Please do this for brazil
2012 UCL Chelsea vs 2021 UCL Chelsea football manager
cant believe someone got paid for those stats
32:24 Ian Macintosh is stuck in a pentagram?
Any links to download the teams for FM22?
Are you going to do a Man United edition?
You guys have gone from the apple to the Razer... New sponsor?
you might need to make a serperate channel purely of football manager content
Don't give Iain encouragement
Need a separate channel for all the Liverpool content 😴
@@hb3393 they do what they enjoy. If they tried to please everyine thjngs turn crap. Im a man u fan
Can you guys atleast vet the attributes 1st, I really wanted to use these but now it seems pointless due to them being inaccurate 😭
Really it's just one group's opinion, you can download them and edit them yourself if you think there's a discrepancy. Or even contact the makers.
@@sportsjefe they said the attributes weren't entirely correct, how can I make them more realistic myself if I'm too young to have watched them, watch their matches on RUclips? 🥴🤦♂️
89/90 team?
Tifo getting their money's worth out of these Liverpool squads.
Wasn't part of why Grobelaar was so "eccentric" was that he was taking bribes to make mistakes?
Truth needs to be told. I saw him receiving a bribe on video one time for throwing a game at Newcastle in the mid-90's. I absolutely thought at the time that he didn't look like a man who was doing such a thing for the first time. He casually chucked that pile of notes on the sofa like he did it every week.
That was a sting operation. It was on camera because they were trying to catch him in the act. Why would they be doing that if they didn't suspect him of accepting bribes in the past?
Grobbelaar took bribes on the regular, I've never been so certain of anything.
Soooooo much Liverpool 🙄
Has this turned into Liverpool IRL? I thought this series was about different clubs and their teams playing each other.
This is the 5th video about Liverpool in the past 11 days like come on.
I don't work for tiff but I just wanna point out, I count 4 only, just cause Mane n Salah are in the picture doesn't mean the podcast consisted of only Liverpool content, why don't you check it out n see?
3/4 are part of a series, would make sense to finish it before moving onto the next club.
Diaz was on his way to spurs so how do you know they werent doing the piece for spurs but it changed with Liverpool stealing their target
@@seriousblackNI They also dropped a Salah video on their main channel. I personally prefer when Tifo talks about the niche aspects of football not just the popular clubs if I wanted that I'd turn on Sky Sports.
@@cokiemunster607 sounds like you should "subscribe to the athletic to read up on all the latest sports news coverage....", they don't just do the big teams you know
@@seriousblackNI eww why would I pay for content
@@cokiemunster607 "you can get a free trial for 30 days", it's as if you don't listen when Joe plugs the athletic 🤦♂️🤣
All this fawning over of Liverpool from this channel, yet they only have 1 Prem title in 30 years. Liverpool? More like Loserfool
Got em