Your belief that he was Robin is based on a lack of understanding of something called context. Your judgments are solely based on who has the best statistics. Kobe was undoubtedly Batman to Shaq's Superman.@@xavicastorena4739
Phil saying to Kobe to take it easy and dial it down with the 40 points a night games, when Shaq came back from injury and saying that they are losing the big guy, tells you all you need to know how great was Kobe
@@Iceman24424definitely. Shaq had to be the guy. Which is really stupid when you're winning. Like, there should be enough to go around. Shaq could concede some of his stats and power to make them a more effective team. While Kobe had a terrible finals in 04, the Lakers were a better team when both guys were eating. But Shaq had this ego problem. It first showed up in Orlando when he started to get jelly over Penny getting attention despite the fact that Penny was the opposite of Kobe personality wise and a perfect Robin for someone like Shaq who was willing to placate Shaq. If he had issues with that guy then maybe the issue wasn't all on Kobe.
@@xavicastorena4739how many times they meet in the finals we using regular season records including the times LeBron was on the best team in the world? Plenty of dudes got winning records on LeBron you won’t bring that up tho curry and Leonard own that balco fraud foh
@spoodyR3: LeBron was handing Kobe Ls before he left for Miami and even hit a game winner on Kobe at Staples lol Also Curry beat LeBron in 2015 when LeBrin didn’t have Kyrie or Love and he was the 2nd best player on his own team when they got KD! He needed 3 other All Stars to beat LeBron. When it was an equal playing field LeBron beat Curry every time lol. Curry even did his Kobe impression by blowing a 3-1 lead 😂 😂
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
@@CoreTradingMastery You are diving too deep into the analytical world to make Lebron the best. Good job on your extensive search and time as I didn't read all of that nonsense since it's statpadding for Lebron.
Speaking about Kobe's 33/7/7 on 51 fg% series against the Spurs in '01 as "Robin", LeBron against the Spurs as the "main character" went 22/7/7 on 35 fg% in 2007; 25/10/7 on 44 fg% in 2013 and 28/7/4 on 57 fg% in 2014, while his team was blown out of the court 4-1 and he had a negative +/- of 9,4. Also, Duncan in 2001 was 25, not 38 like in 2014.
Kobe Bryant has built his career around winning. It's been his sole focus ever since bursting into the league as a fresh-faced shooting guard. And he's done a lot of it, whether paired up with Shaquille O'Neal or Pau Gasol. And even during down stretches for the Los Angeles Lakers, he's soldiered on, attempting to carry his team despite the elevated minute totals and falling odds.
@@xavicastorena4739 Lol cry a river, it wasn't the weakest west when dirk and duncan were still competing. O and dirk demolished LeBum in 2011. Bruh, can you spit facts instead of useless opinions.
@mr.perfect1749: Funny since former MBA referee, Tim Donaghy said the NBA higher ups told them to give Kobe special treatment and calls. Look at game 6 of the 02 WCFs against the Kings aka the worst officiated game in NBA history.
It's funny that ppl think that Lebron getting the most 30 point games means something, It's Mj's record, Lebron did it in 7 more seasons, embarrassing.
They always need to mentioned useless facts to prop up this overrated underachieiving bum. some fanboy told me yesterday that lebron is only player with 4 mvps in 5yrs as if it was something remarkable,when he should have more because he played more seasons than mj or kareem.plus having no mvps second time on cavs when his fanboys already called him the goat and say that was his best version.
@MultiSimonchan And most of those mvps are given to him on a silver platter, like the 2013 one where Melo should've gotten it and I'm forgetting if it was the 2009 or 2010 season but Kobe got robbed.
And that goes for all of his longevity stats. Lebron fans: He's the greatest scorer because he's all time points leader! He also has $11k rebounds and assists! Numbers don't lie! Me: So he's the worst shooter and ball handler because he's all time leader in missed FG and TO? Lebron fans: No. That doesn't count because he played 22 years.
@@jayk6194🤣🤣🤣🤣. I argued with some Lebron Stans and they said he shoots better than MJ because his field goal percentage is higher. I said if he is such a great shooter than why did the Spurs run a defense in the finals that forced Lebron to shoot and not get to the basket? His field goal percentage is higher because he is always at the basket. Not because he shoots better
Yeah I'm from LA, and it's tragic how this industry media machine has tried to change history, and erase our boy Kobe from the records. He was the best and most skilled player in the NBA from 2000 to 2012
This is what LeBron brought to the NBA 1. Superteam (players dont want to compete with each other anymore) 2. Flopping 3. Making excuses (ie didnt participate in the Dunk Contest after he announced that he would) 4. Passive aggressive behavior (ie hand cast) 5. Flopping again 6. Bronny 7. JJ Redick 8. Klutch Sports (ie LeGM / Ruined the Lakers)
The disrespect for Kobe is crazy. It was a bit better after his passing but now is back in full force. This gotta be Klutch influencing the media especially because Bron plays for the Lakers. Luckily people like Skap still strong showing the truth.
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
@@wisdomenake242Kobe did hog the ball sometimes.But LeBron keeps the ball in his hand.double the times of anyone that ever played basketball 🏀.He is a way bigger ball hog.And LeBron did it out of being selfish.Kobe did it because He didn't have any players that he can trust to make a play when needed.
I watched both of their careers.Kobe was hands down more dominant skill and better, While lebron was a popularity contest in a media built figure he could accumulate stats, But it didn't equate to winning , so they burp him over a dozen all stars trying to create this artificial goat, and now the nba's at one of its lowest points, Jordan and Kobe set the bar so high that they can't even artificially.Build it back to that greatness
I prefer Kobe over LeBron by far. Kobe had that KILLER mentality, the Legendary Black Mamba, lethal, deadly when it counts, the only one that ever came close to MJ’s competitiveness.
Best player on teams championships Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 40,474 pts on 50.6% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships You got Kobe D ick n yo A ss 🤣
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
To be honest, Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq, and also needed Dwade, Kobe managed to get two more without Shaq. He's no sidekick, Shaq won all those finals mvps because he had the easier match-up, Kobe had to guard guys like Reggie Miller, AI, Kerry Kittles, miss me with all this sidekick BS
Now this is the truth!! People always forget Shaq couldn’t win in Orlando with penny hardaway he needed Kobe. In all reality Kobe carried shaq, I rewatched all 3 finals and Kobe was the best player in each one. The bean was never no side kick
I agree the East had weak centers or were past there prime Ric Smith was 36 years old in 2000 finals Mutabo was 35 in 2001 finals and the Nets center was a no body Shaq had it easy
Are u slow? Shaq took Orlando to the Finals in just his 3rd NBA season. What did Kobe do in yr 3 outside of finally coming off the bench? N while Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime n blew a 3-1 lead, Shaq won it all. U could say Kobe won more but 3 was off the back of Shaq n 2 was going up against the weakest West ever n both of them won their last title in yr 14.
@@_GwuapoWithout Kobe Bryant, Shaq had been swept six times in playoffs. Five of them came from 1994,1995,1996,1998, and 1999 when he got swept during the playoffs before Kobe arrived playing with Shaq. When he leave Kobe, He got swept by the Chicago Bulls in 2007 in First round.
@@xavicastorena4739 And what happened? He got SWEPT by Hakeem and the Rockets. Shaq went on to win 1 chip w/o Kobe. Kobe went to 3 str8NBA finals winning back to back championships w/o Shaq.
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
@@davidriedy5977 Kobe tried to be compared to Mike and play and act like him but yet when they showed how he did in clutch situations during the playoffs they showed he was 7 of 28. So he's not a closer.
@@J-bones4 yeah they do. they let idiots who don't watch the game pretend that being left wide open on purpose is in any way comparable to having to go to war for every shot and still getting guarded. Y'all have lost the plot
@GS-mh6ub Lebron still better Skaps a bum dude literally sweats and has veins popping outta his face when hating on lebron when was doing a podcast with gil
Yes, after this show them Kobe’s back to back run with gasol and it’s definitely not even a debate on how dominant Kobe truly was on his title runs 🔥🔥🔥
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
@CoreTradingMastery did you really just lay out that whole argument without bothering to listen to ANYTHING the man said on this video? "Carried" in '01 & '02?? Nobody who is his team's ONLY real offensive option late in close games is being carried. 01 especially, since Kobe closed out the SAC series(in which he averaged 35.0 a game's worth of "being carried") with games of 36 and then a 48 pt 16 rebound closeout game that Shaq fouled out of... only to open the Spurs (#1 seed) series with 45 & 10, a good start to a series where he again led the Lakers with 33 a game (+7 rebounds & 7 assists, remember?). Of COURSE Shaq took over in the finals, but not because Kobe couldn't... Dikembe Mutombo was 100 lbs. smaller than Shaq... he may have been DPOY, but that's because he only had to face Shaq twice during the reg. season. EDIT: scratch that, he didnt face him at all, since he was traded from ATL BEFORE facing the Lakers twice and AFTER Philly faced them twice. In 02, again-- nobody who carries his team in the 4th Q is being carried. Nor is anyone who scored 27 a game in the finals (and you'll love this: with STAGGERING efficiency, shooting well over 50% from the field AND from 3). As far as the SAC game, how is ONE GAME of semi-debatable calls being CARRIED? It's an entirely different argument you're mixing in to your "Kobe was carried for 3 titles because he was inefficient" argument. Every playoff run is it's own thing... but 1 thing is recurringly true in Kobe's titles... while another player sometimes shared the load, he was never carried. Even after being intentionally injured & missing a game and 3 quarters, the Lakers needed him to come back early & dominate late in the 4th & in OT after Shaq fouled out to keep the Indiana series in '00 from going 2-2. He did play terribly in 3 of the 5 games vs. Detroit in 04--of course, he dominated in game 2, and hit the last second three to win it. Nope. I can't get with your theory. Especially since it turned into a "let's throw in as many extraneous stats as possible to gloss over the fact that he was never carried" poo-flinging exercise. If you want to make the case for why he isn't in your top 5 or 10 or 100, fine, your comment would fit the bill. That wasn't the topic here, though.
@@SportsFitness-j8e😂😂😂. Shaq was great, but didn't do much before Kobe was inserted into the starting line up. Just like LeBron didn't do much until he joined wades team.
@@SportsFitness-j8e You mean when Shaq got fouled out and Kobe had always to pick up the slack? Face it, Shaq won nothing before Kobe became a star and would've won jack shit without Kobe (Maybe he would've still got one with D Wade). He even said it himself.
Just ask the Spurs if Kobe was the second option in 2001 and 2002. Kobe was the more dominant player when they played against Western Conference playoff teams. The Weetern conference was vastly superior to the East. It wasn't until the Lakers played lesser Eastern conference teams in the finals that Shaq Dominated. That's a fact for the 2001 and 2002 runs.
@@Letsstartthere4 Pau Gasol a hall of famer so try again trying to dismiss him to uplift Kobe Bryant who never won by himself show me series he average 100 ppg I'll wait Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2
Best player on teams championships Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 40,474 pts on 50.6% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships You got Kobe D ick n yo A ss 🤣
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
Kobe was waaaaaaaay younger than Shaq, and he was a lot cheaper than Shaq at the moment who was a handful and was even challenging the team owner during this time. Its pretty easy to choose a coming into his prime Kobe at 25 over an exiting his prime Shaq at 32. Were you in diapers or just riding the short bus at the time?
If they were the same age they would've chosen Shaq. Even at the time with shaq being at the end of his prime most people thought the Lakers were making a mistake.
If Kobe was the sidekick, why did he have to tell the main character that he needed to work harder? I’ve never seen a sidekick do that. I think Shaq and Kobe were more like Superman and Batman.
@@terrellbaker1660 Batman is the goat of superheroes because of his humanity, intelligence, strategic thinking, and precisely for lack of superpowers. Superman is weaker than a 100 year old's penis in an arena of kryptonite.
What did Kobe do to Gilbert? Is there a game or moment where Gilbert was embarrassed by Kobe? If so, maybe that is the reason for dismissing Bryant’s legacy
@KOSIEKEMIRI-k1x He stayed the shit eating crybaby queen he always was, and made the Lakers a circus and laughing stock in combination with the ownership.
He’s getting that klutch sports money back in 2014 he admitted Kobe was a superior player not stats a better basketball player than lebron now he flip flopped saying that LeBron is a better player
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
That 2001 Kobe Bryant was incredible.. An 22 year old Kobe Bryant was special… people forget that he was the NBA’s lead scorer at the time with 29ppg before Allen Iverson took the scoring title and the league MVP later that year ..also,.. Kobe proved the world that he’s not a “SideKick” and he wasn’t carried those 3 rings with Shaq..Kobe is the reason to help Shaq to get to the finals for three straight years from all the disappointments in Orlando.. And I will never forget at the time during the 2001 Western conference finals press, conference Shaquille O’Neal himself with his own words” I think he’s the best player in this league by far” Shaq knew that Kobe is the best player. Including last year on NBA TV NBA finals pregame, Shaq said recently” I wasn’t the best player on the team”. They are Superman and Batman . Shaq is Superman, he has dominant strength, but his weakness is the free throws as his kryptonite. Kobe is Batman, he has an elite skill. And let’s be real all these LeBron fans out here had no common sense. Stop with the lies and stop with the narratives PERIOD..
Side kicked that scored,rebound and assisted more than the Alpha in 2000 game 7 WCF. Side kicked that just dismantled the number 1 seed Spurs iand Kings 01.
Shaq was the sidekick in the tougher west, and then feasted on the weak ass East centers to get an easy Finals MVP. Kobe could have done it, had Shaq let it happen. That's why Kobe went and did it back to back without him and proved everyone who doubted him wrong. Edit: I'm exaggerating on Shaq being a sidekick for emphasis, by the way. Like Tom Tolbert said once on NBC, "These guys aren't Batman and Robin. What these guys are is Superman and Batman."
Shaq lead the playoffs during the 3peat in points, rebounds n win shares. Wow Kobe “did better” against SA while Shaq was going up against Duncan n Robinson while Kobe went up against Bowen n Jackson 😂
@TheRefslovesMichaelJordan at the end of the day iggy won finals mvp in 2015, Kahwi won finals mvp in 2014, Cedric maxwell won finals mvp in 81 over Bird. So what does that mean? Other than they had a great series out of 4 during a playoff run? And in Shaq's case his was against the easiest competition of any one of those players I just named.. the competitive was in the west. Level of competition trumps everything. How can you brag about dominating a freshman team, but be average to Below average against another varsity team that's as good or even better than yours. While your teammate dominated that competition you were average against. And say you were the best player? 🤣🤣
@5:51 YES. The anti-Kobe campaign is all about trying to make LeBum look better. But it’s like the saying goes… just cuz you pour syrup on 💩 dont make it pancakes. LeBum will always be LeLame.
Shaq and Kobe were the 2 best players in the association during that time. Shaq deserved those finals MVP's but for anyone to act like Kobe was a sidekick/robin obviously never watched the games.
Simple: Maybe we should flip flop scenarios. How would Kobe do with DWade and Bosh? Championships of course, and no Mavs choke job. How would LeBron fare with Shaq? Not as well as one would initially think. Who is closing for them? Not LeBron. Big shot Bob better up his game. 😂
Crazy how the sidekick won more championships and ended up on the Mount Rushmore of most peoples minds with a halfway decent basketball iq, while shaq jumped from team to team and never gets mentioned in anyone’s top 5..what a legendary sidekick!❤️😂
@@KobaniacMindednot if the coach is giving me the ball at the end of games because the 1st option can’t hit FTs and can’t close games. Plus who was Shaq guarding in the Finals and who was Kobe guarding? 😂🤡
@@michaelbarnes2126good a sidekick doing his job, Kris Middleton did that for giannis nobody says he's giannis equal who was Kobe guarding old broken down Reggie Miller? AI by himself with no other offensive players to bail him out? Kerry 😆 Kittles?
@@KobaniacMinded meanwhile Shaq has the pleasure of facing an old ass DPotY Mutumbo, Jason Collins and Rik Smits. Shaq’s competition in the Finals was way inferior to who Kobe had to deal with and guard 🤣🤡
@@KobaniacMinded Ok kris Middleton is where I draw the line…never speak basketball again my G. If Giannis and SGA were on the same team and Giannis scores more points a game by a small margin and they become the best team in the league so the person who has a higher scoring average gets the MVP does that negate SGA’s offensive impact ? If SGA is the one that has to pickup the slack for Giannis in crunch time cause he can’t hit a free throw to save his life then who really if more valuable Giannis or SGA? Ok now picture SGA as an ALL NBA FIRST TEAM DEFENDER that was Kobe Bryant, he was no robin he was Batman to Shaqs Superman, both were main characters and two of the 3 best players in the world at the time hence the 3 peat. The ONLY true three peat since the bulls and the ONLY 3 peat AFTER not all because Shaq but because of SHAQ AND KOBE.
Shaq was being benched in the 4th coz hes either fouled out or to avoid hack a shaq. How can shaq carry kobe from the bench? The lebronzexuals are too delusional to talk anything that make sense
EXACTLY!!!! This same scenario happened in the damn Finals in 2000 in Game 4. Shaq fouled out with like 5 minutes left in the game and Kobe proceeded to calm down Phil and the Lakers bench with clutch shot after clutch shot. The game went to OT where Kobe yet again took over and led the Lakers to that win. While the best player on the team was riding the pine, that’s carrying someone lol
Biggest lie in NBA history! Outside of game 4 of the 2000 Finals which Kobe only averaged 16ppg and LA already had a commanding lead and game 6 of the 02 WCFs Finals aka the worst officiated game in NBA history, name the time Shaq fouled out n Kobe took over in the post season. Fun FACT: Shaq scored a total of more points in the 4th quarter during the 3peat than Kobe did.
@ you forgot to mention that Kobe had a badly twisted ankle due in part to the Pacers purposely injuring him in 2000 in the Finals. Jalen Rose said this himself who was there in the Finals playing against Kobe lol. And Shaq only scored one more point than Kobe in their post season runs together we saw the stats already so you lying lol. Like a lot of Kobe haters do, lie for no reason when the internet exists smh
@@xavicastorena4739 one more point doesn’t matter tho. Especially when Kobe was the 1st option when the game needed to be closed. Phil, Shaq and Kobe all said this lol
I was arguing with a guy on IG last time abt Kobe and LeBron and i throw him this line : "During that run, Kobe averaged 29.3 pts 7 rbds and 6 assists with a 55% TS. Yet LeBron in his "goated" 2016 playoffs run averaged 26.3/9.5/7.6 with a 58% TS (while being a layup merchant of course). So now tell me, how can one of those series be considered "goated" while the other can be dismissed as "horrible field percentage cause all he could do is jack up dumb shots"?" Never heard of the guy ever since
They say that cause LeBron lead in all five major statistical categories, but what you pointed out is the flaw in the feat. Both teams were running small ball where Lebron had the ball in his hand more than anyone on the court. So that explains his assists and points. Rebounds and blocks, who was he competing against? Draymond green?
@tcb6344 Lebron still better than Kobe More Mvps Finals Mvps Points Rebounds Ast Steals Blocks Fg% Efg% 3pt% Ts% Playoff PPG Average 51 Points in the Finals Most in Nba History Bro thinks he's him becuz he won an argument with someone dumber than him DEBATE ME
@@alfasiger4178plp was saying MJ the goat after just his 2nd chip so resume really isn't the criteria. On court ability's and winning championships is . And MJ and Kobe are above everyone else
Kobe won 5 rings w one team Kobe played through injury because he cared about the fans Kobe helped LeBron Olympic gold, Kobe never tasted bronze like LeBron, Kobe proved he can win without Shaq, he didn't leave LA and join other stars. LeBron can't touch Jordan, However LeBron is trying to erase or match Kobe, Kobe was training and coaching his daughter, and was fully supporting women's basketball. LeBron in a Laker uniform, promoting his son , promoting Caitlin Clark no shade she's great, perfectly timed breaking records as a Laker. If Kobe was alive , he'd speak about how the Lakers organization is conducting itself like a Joke.
LeBron James has received THE MOST HELP in NBA history from a teammate. In the last 2 mins of 1 possession games during the 2016 playoffs: Bron - 5 points 2/9 fg 22% Kyrie - 8 points 3-6 fg 50% and one of the biggest GAME WINNING SHOTS in NBA finals history. Also Kyrie is 8th ALL TIME in Finals PPG. (27.69) For reference: Scottie Pippen is 45th all time (18ppg) Pau Gasol is 54th all time (17ppg) - LeBron is 10-11 in one possession games in the finals; if he was more clutch he would have more chips. - 2 BRONZE international medals (a historic choke job than even his fanboys can't explain away). - Only 19 game winning shots in 20 years full of travels, carries, and super-teams giving him more space in those situations. - Getting outperformed in the clutch by kyrie in his most clutch year: 2016 (kyrie scored more points in clutch time and hit the game winning shot) -Most finals and playoff losses. - 6 finals losses with super-teams while going through an easier conference. - under 30% shooting in the clutch in the postseason. - 0 for 7 on Game Winners in the NBA Finals (ZERO for 7). - LeBron James Has Only Made 19 Of 107 Shots In Clutch Situation During His Career: 17.8% FG, 12.5% From 3-Pointers. HORRIBLE. - LeBron shoots 65% from the FT Line in the 4th Quarter for his CAREER. -LeBron shoots 31% in the playoffs for his career outside of the paint. -LeBron has the HIGHEST TO rate in the 4th Quarter of all-time (1.9). -LeBron has over 5000 Turnovers, by far the most in NBA history, as well as the most total TO's in "clutch" time in both the NBA playoffs AND the NBA Finals. -The three most clutch shots in LeBron's career were hit by: Ray Allen (2013), Kyrie Irving (2016), and Anthony Davis (2020 Bubble). LeBronze is not clutch and does NOT have a high hoops IQ. Nobody with a high hoops IQ has, by far, the most TURNOVERS in history (by far). The LeBron system - total domination of the ball. That way, you have a gaudy statline. When you win, you did it all by yourself. You lose? Well, look at those stats! You just didn't have enough help. He isn't the GOAT, but he is the greatest con man to ever play the game. Anybody who thinks LeBalco is better than Kobe is illiterate.
It’s simple. Name another NBA ‘GOAT’ who got lazy and never developed/fixed holes in his game which were apparent in his rookie season? Kobe never got lazy. MJ, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic never got lazy and always worked hard even when their bodies were breaking down.
The sad part is all these under 25 year olds who completely eat up everything they hear on ESPN and truly believe Lebron is some God like figure. Brainlets.
kobe was a sidekick to shaq like durant was a sidekick to curry lol 2 legit superstars on a team does not make 1 a sidekick...especially when they were both very productive...
Yea they only say that to discredit Kobe's rings. But to your point they don't bring up the side kick for curry and Durant. Why? Because then the media will be forced to say their golden boy was the side kick to Durant, but they can't do that because they don't want to ruin Steph's pr. They don't even do side kick talk with Boston
this Robin/Sidekick airballed 3 SHOTS in the playoffs *as a rookie* because all his vets were SCARED of the moment, including the -Batman- Superman on the team. Meanwhile, on a different duo, he views Middleton as THE BATMAN on the team just because Giannis doesn't have the ball as much in the clutch due to his poor jump shooting and ft. So, what is the criteria of being "JUST" a sidekick compare to 1A 1B?
Middleton was only clutch more then Giannis down the stretch up to 2021. After the bucks won the chip Giannis has gotten much better down the stretch on a night to night basis. And Midton is not all nba or all defensive or leading the playoffs in clutch points . Giannis is much better down the stretch then shaq was.
Simple fact is this, the Olympic team that had Lebron lost, but when they brought Kobe, they won. They couldn't win, until they got Kobe on that team. All those super stars and they needed Kobe? That says the big difference between Lebron and Kobe, leadership and a winning attitude!!
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals. kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win. kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out. kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender. kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
@@gokublackarcsaga752that 2004 is on Duncan and AI they were the best players and the leaders from a superstar perspective just that whole team didn’t have the chemistry or know how to play with eachother im willing to bet if Kobe was there tho he would’ve whooped everyone’s ass into shape too bad tho league was disrespecting him as always
Keep in mind that it took a near triple double from Kobe in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals against Portland to propel the Lakers to the 2000 NBA Finals and the eventual three peat with Shaq while playing with foul trouble during that game 7 against Portland.
Facts remember watching it live and was like damn Shaq gotta stay outta foul trouble then Kobe got into foul trouble. I think he played with 4 and then got that 5th. I was shittin bricks 😅 Kobe hit pippen with that nasty cross then dish to Shaq for the lob smh 🤦🏿♂️ 😬 I miss the era
2000 Playoffs: Kobe became the first, and only, guard in NBA HISTORY to ever rack up 30 Steals and 30 Blocks in a single playoff run in 2000. MJ NEVER did that. Kobe's defense during that run was arguably the best EVER by a guard in NBA playoff history. They lost the pivotal game 3 in which Kobe was injured (intentionally injured by Jalen Rose in game 2, so Kobe missed 2 out of the 6 games, Lakers split those games 1-1). But went 3-1 with Kobe. With Shaq they were .500 but with Kobe they were .750. ANYBODY who thinks LeBalco is better than Kobe must ride the short bus (and probably suffers from the Dunning-Kruger Effect).
Who was that? Bosh who was only able to lead Toronto to just 2 playoff appearances in 7 seasons? Kyrie who was leading Cleveland to the playoffs? Cause LeBron was fortunate enough to begin his career playing alongside another top 10 player all time n the greatest coach of all time? Oh my fault that was Kobe… 😂
@@xavicastorena4739 ur computer won’t give you the accurate depiction of what’s really going on at that time. All you can do is devalue all the support and help that Lefraud got to win his championships and achieve his statistical records. All the things you’re doing is confirm that LeRider had an easy ride.
@jolli4116: Wasn’t the East weak though? I’ve been hearing for literally years on how weak the East was from Kobe fans yet you want to talk about Kyrie who was leading Cleveland to the lottery and got swept in the 1st round with KD in Brooklyn?! Or Love who couldn’t even take Cleveland to the playoffs? Or Bosh who was only able to take Toronto to just two playoff appearances in 7 seasons and got bounced in the 1st round both times? Yeah make that make sense 😂
Your kind dosent actually look at facts. You just look at feelings. Name me one nba players that has gotten carried while still winning FMVP 4/4 times. Meanwhile ur bald headed daddy kobe only has 2😂 so who really got carried
@KOSIEKEMIRI-k1x it's a youtube username - not his life, silly...and who's the one showing up to try to razzle viewers on a 99% ratio video? Talk about needing to "get a life", good lord.
@@shaft9000no he’s right. When you base your online personality on someone you hate it’s getting to the point where it’s not even about sports anymore. Its pure hatred for someone who doesn’t know you. This entire video and channel is just hating lebron or any other player that isnt jokic, mj, kobe, or a oldhead
LeBron is nowhere near Kobe. And it irks me how no one mentions LeBron is 4/10 in finals appearances. That’s a 40% win rate. This dude is the most celebrated loser I have ever seen. Kobe is 5/7 in finals appearances. That’s a 71% win ratio (if the argument is going to be about championships). Kobe kills LeBron in valuable metrics. Who the hell cares if you’re 20+ years and still athletic. What have you done in that time? And how have you done it? LeBron needs to claim irrelevant records ultimately because he cant outdo his main comp, Kobe, not Jordan. How Kobe can be tarnished like that is mind-boggling, especially when LeBron clearly pays all media to praise him (including the riding Gilbert).
@@calebvanberkom5571 I would rather it be that if you will crown yourself "king," that you get to 10 nba finals and win 10 nba finals, or you get to 10 and win 7, or get to 10 and win 8. Why can someone marketed as being the greatest "get their team" to the dream and continually fail to ascend to "greatness"? It doesn't make sense. This guy is the greatest loser I have ever seen. His greatness is in losing, or in getting to the pinnacle and not able to claim the victory. Like, come on. If he is that good he shouldn't be losing that early in the playoffs and I understand it is a "team sport" but come on..what is he now doing but everything that is individual and not team sport related. Despite the fact that his stats are definitely padded, should he put as much energy not only getting into the finals but winning them, the story would be different. Other than that, he's parading around as a loser while the media crowns him as a winner. Its weird. He's trying to claim individual stats because he understands he needs to be remembered for something, because if he didn't, the narrative of him being a 40% finals winner while claiming the title of "king" would come under great scrutiny eventually. Never mind the fact that he has his longevity because when he understands he is losing he quits the moment, mentally checks out, and is mentally in the next season. Who wants to get to ten nba finals and then exit? If you can make it to the finals with your team, you should be able to win with that team and also go into that "zone of legends," that mindset and state of mind for victory. Lebron just fails to be great and the fact that his greatlessness is celebrated is absolutely mind-boggling to me. If you will lost in the first round, second round, get your rest sure, come back and be "king." He used to magnify the fact that he made the people around him better but when you can't do that when it counts...come on. And then when you are trying to claim individual titles now because you fail at actually doing what you claim yourself to be best at...come on. He's the greatest loser I ever seen
Skap, I really enjoyed your debate with Gil. U are a very respectful debater that doesnt turn to cursing and name calling when debate gets intense. I respect it, SUBSCRIBED
Seems like the "Robin" argument is only used against Kobe. I never hear people discredit Shaq's miami ring, Tim Duncan not winning all the finals mvps, Any of Magic Johnson's rings that he wasn't finals mvp, Kareem, Etc.. Only Kobe.. Weird energy/narratives.
Lets expose SETTLE THIS "SHAQ WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD 00-02" was he ????? 99-00 = 2nd Best team in NBA was NOT the PACERS that was the BLAZERS And in GAME 7 vs the Blazers what did MVP SHAQ do ? Shaquille O'Neal put up 18 points and added 9 rebounds and 5 assists versus the Trail Blazers in Game 7 of the 2000 Western Conference Finals on June 4, 2000. ONLY SCORED 2 POINTS IN THE 4TH QUARTER …..Got out scored by Rasheed Wallace (30 pts) What did 21 year old kobe in game 7 ? Kobe Bryant had a double-double with 25 points and 11 rebounds against the Trail Blazers in Game 7 of the 2000 Western leading team in POINTS REBOUNDS BLOCKS AND ASSISTS (shaq should have more rebounds and blocks..) 00-01 = 2nd Best team in the NBA was NOT the 76ers that was the SPURS What did 22yr old kobe do to THE BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM in the league ? Kobe Bryant averaged 33.3 points, 7.0 rebounds and 7.0 assists in 4 games in the 2001 Western Conference Finals. Shaquille O'Neal averaged 27.0 points, 13.0 rebounds and 2.5 assists in 4 games in the 2001 Western Conference Finals 01-02 - 2nd Best team in the NBA was NOT the NETS that was the SPURS/KINGS Kobe Bryant averaged 26.2 points, 5.4 rebounds and 4.8 assists in 5 games in the 2002 Western Conference Semifinals. Shaquille O'Neal averaged 21.4 points, 12.2 rebounds and 3.2 assists in 5 games in the 2002 Western Conference Semifinals. Tim Duncan averaged 29.0 points, 17.2 rebounds and 4.6 assists in 5 games in the 2002 Western Conference Semifinals. (shaq getting massively outplayed by Tim Duncan) Shaquille O'Neal averaged 30.3 points, 13.6 rebounds and 2.4 blocks in 7 games in the 2002 Western Conference Finals. Kobe Bryant averaged 27.1 points, 6.3 rebounds and 3.9 assists in 7 games in the 2002 Western Conference Finals. CONCLUSION 00 = Shaq does NOT beat the blazers with out Kobe 01= Shaq does NOT beat the spurs without Kobe 02 = Shaq does NOT get passed the Spurs or Kings without Kobe So WE CAN NOT call the EASTERN CONFERENCE THE LEASTERN CONFERENCE and then say "SHAQ HAS 3 FINALS MVPS" well DUH Was shaq the "BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD in the WEST????" As we can see here that was NOT ALWAYS TRUE BTW Shaquille O'Neal averaged 22.4 points, 12.8 rebounds and 2.8 blocks in 30 games versus Tim Duncan in the playoffs in his career. Tim Duncan averaged 25.6 points, 13.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 30 games versus Shaquille O'Neal in the playoffs in his career. Tim duncan OUTPLAYED Shaq head to head which means shaq does NOT get OUT THE WEST minus Kobe….00 would have been his best chance without kobe
Well considering Jordan didn’t even play his first 2 seasons and was injured its pretty much the same maybe MJ has an even bigger alpha dog attitude being at least older than Kobe was but I see no world where MJ does much better than Kobe did with Shaq I mean dude was dropping 30 and 40 point games playing all nba defense and still gets labeled a sidekick
To quote Jamal Crawford: "If Kobe isn't in your top 5, your list is stupid and isn't even worth looking at." Players/Coaches who think Kobe is better than LeBron: 1. C. Bosh 2. D. Wade 3. Reggie Miller 4. Shaq 5. Magic 6. Bird 7. Barkley 8. Kenny Smith 9. Tony Parker 10. Ginobli 11. Greg Poppovich 12. Mark Jackson 13. Michael Jordan 14. Kevin Durant 15. Kevin Willis 16. Stephon Marbury 17. Tim Hardaway 18. Rashard McCants 19. Allen Iverson 20. Vince Carter 21. Tracy McGrady 22. Bruce Bowen 23. Darius Miles 24. Quentin Richardson I can go on and on and on. The list would go on for PAGES. I can even cite the exact dates and sources (where they said it), if you'd like. Both Kyrie and Kevin Love said Prime Kobe was better than ANY version of LeBron and they were his teammates. Wade was his teammate and said Kobe was better. Bosh was his teammate and said Kobe was better. Darius Miles and Shaquille O'Neal played with LeBron and said Kobe was better. At some point you have to put the liquor bottle down and stop drunk texting. Kobe CLEARS LeBron easily. This is an I_Q test and a lot of Bron stans are failing.
Thank you for preserving this man’s legacy skap, please never sell out and continue to keep it real and authentic in this space filled with LeBronTards
You bodied the whole panel Skap, great work 💪🏾. Thank you for all that you do. 2025 is going to be an even better year than last. Keep the content coming Sir 🔥🔥🔥
Gil ain't messing with kobe, the Wizards lost that game where Gil dropped 60 and Kobe dropped 40. Kobe once dropped 50 against the sun's in the 06 playoffs and the Lakers still lost so he stopped shooting the next game to try and get his teammates involved. That shows he cared about winning not stats.
Its the same disrespect stans use when they say Steph was the Robin and KD was Batman bc KD won 2 finals MVPs. No way in hell has Steph ever been Robin to KD. It was clearly Steph's team. And there are multiple interviews of teams keeping their main focus on Steph and trying to slow him down, even if it allowd KD to be open. Steph was soo lethal and so much gravitational pull, teams poured all energy to slow Steph down and were willing to leave Klay and KD open. Because truly great players can adjust their game to make their team win, Steph's stats lowers and KDs raised, i.e. KDs numbers led to finals mvp. Kd was great, but everyone knew everything ran through Steph. The difference with Jabron Lames is he makes everyone change for HIS system, which allows him to have the ball in his hands more to increase passes (while telling players their role is to shoot once he passes the ball to get more assist), hangs near the basket in defense and tells teammates that if hes near the ball its his rebound, so they dont event attempt to jump. And then shoots and drives while everyone clears out to an open lane and if he misses his layup, he will get the flop foul from his refs. (So instead of him missing shots and his true shot % is lower, calling a foul erases the miss, causes higher shot %.) All while taking games off when necessary, playing the weakest offensive player to slack off, rest and blindside block other players, highering coaches he can control and force to use HIS system, and make the most trades of any player of all time to give him more "help", and paying media "experts" to create fake narratives and ignore any glaring flaws to elevate Jebron Lames into the fake goat debate. FABRICATED KING 😂
ShAq was the best player the whole dynasty. Just because kone had a good playoff run 1 year with them together doesn’t put him above shaq. Especially since shaq got all the attention and Kobe was going one on one. For a guy that won MVP/FMVP/ASMVP scoring title for the season, lead scoring in the playoffs and finals, winning all 3 fmvps, there’s so much disrespect on Shaq’s name
After Lebron retires, he will quickly take his proper place in history: one of the top 20 NBA players of all time. Without the constant hype and self-promotion, the goat conversation quickly ends, and Lebron's longevity becomes the thing he's most known for.
@@xavicastorena4739 Not sure you're understanding completely what hack a shaq was about. It was easy to just foul shaq send him to the line, maaaybe lose a point. Get possession for an easy 2 to be up 1 point. Rinse and repeat. Adding up to 11 minutes per game. The rules were changed for a reason.
Skap! Love the content bro.. I was just watching videos of the Lakers 3peat and noticed Kobe was also doubled and triple teamed.. arenas was wrong, big time! Can you make a video on that? Keep killing these haters.. #mambaforever
Kobe putting up elite numbers as a "2nd option" speaks to his greatness. Also, I guarantee that nobody was preparing for Kobe as if he was a number 2 player
People need to bring up dwight being the bubble run. He was also crucial in stopping jokic. So literally without 2 hall of famers and defense players of the year lebron cant win . Lmaoo just like love and kyrie. Wade and bosch . See the pattern
One of the great shames of the death of Kobe Bryant is that it made it easier for the national sports and Klutch Sports media to dismiss him from the great debate. Also in a weird way, I believe it enabled LeBron to run roughshod over the Lakers organization. Do you people would be so disrespectful to Kobe if he was around to respond or call out the bullshit? And I guarantee LeBron's Lakers antics, the in season tournament celebration, the hiring of JJ, the drafting of Bronny would all be looked down on by him. I would have liked to have seen Kobe roll his eyes at all of it and take passive aggressive shots at both LeBron and the organization. If anything to make LeBron think twice and squirm at the opinion of a more recent legend of the game.
Skap, I watched the MVP Channel and saw how you took Gilbert to school. THANK YOU SO MUCH!! You can always tell who's so full of themselves when they fall flat on their face the moment they get called on their own B.S. (yes, looking at you Gilbert Arenas). This is the problem with what's happening in the NBA right now. Since when did someone like Gilbert Arenas and JJ Reddick (both NBA nobodies during their own era) ever become "expert analysts" all of a sudden? I'll take Skap all day long, thank you! 👍🏻
I know your favorite player is LeBron. Your entire channel is based on him. You wouldn’t have any relevancy if he wasnt there for you to talk about every single video.
How y’all continue to defend a guy like Lebron considering how he continues to cheat the game, throwing himself around the floor, and damn near crying just to get a foul call is just so bizarre to me. What is wrong with this generation?
I hated what they did to you on that livestream skap they were so disingenuous and the goof moderator was ganging up on you keep upholding Kobe’s legacy my man
As a Klutz operative, Gil talks doublespeak. Lebron forming superteams exemplifies “I’m not a lead dog”. Lebron was never THE best player on any of those superteams; he was ONE of the best players. DWade is painted as being consistently injury prone during LeBron’s time in Miami which is untrue. He was always painted as LeBron’s second which is also untrue and the same holds true with Kyrie in Cleveland. Both Wade and Kyrie were alpha dogs and not second in command to Lebron. If being a closer is a skill that MJ and Kobe possess but Lebron doesn’t then how is he better than Kobe?
I really dislike Lebron as a person and I do think he is a stat compiler at this point but, Lebron is more dominant basketball player. If a magical draft were to take place no one would pick Kobe over Lebron. But I still entertain channels like these for fun... however, trying to pass Kwame Brown's take on the matter as some kind of counter balance to Gilbert Arenas argument is just too silly. Keep trying to farm those clicks though, people will always put on those blinders when it comes to Kobe v Lebron.
@@solardxgamer1692 Making videos about why Kobe is better than Lebron has become its own genre at this point. I wonder what they will do when that argument falls out of fashion in a couple years? I've been alive a long time, I remember when it was Magic will always be better than MJ or Bird would always be better than Magic or whatever will never live up to whoever blah blah blah... it's the same argument over and over and over. It is in our nature. RUclipsrs like this know this and exploit it. In reality I bet this guy could care less, this all a charachter he's playing to get views. It's all BS.
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Kobe was not Robin to Shaq's Batman. He was Batman to Shaq's Superman.
I mean Shaq even said Kobe was the best player in the world during their title runs. So Kobe and Shaq were just those dudes.
Shaq himself said it was Batman and Superman.
Nah he was Robin 😂
@ entirely fake narrative. No one was saying this back then. It’s revisionist history.
Your belief that he was Robin is based on a lack of understanding of something called context. Your judgments are solely based on who has the best statistics. Kobe was undoubtedly Batman to Shaq's Superman.@@xavicastorena4739
Phil saying to Kobe to take it easy and dial it down with the 40 points a night games, when Shaq came back from injury and saying that they are losing the big guy, tells you all you need to know how great was Kobe
Shaq requesting that cause division and was a likely contributing factor to why they lost to the Spurs in the Playoffs.
And it shows how fragile Shaq’s ego was…
@@Iceman24424his ego is still fragile
@@Iceman24424definitely. Shaq had to be the guy. Which is really stupid when you're winning. Like, there should be enough to go around. Shaq could concede some of his stats and power to make them a more effective team. While Kobe had a terrible finals in 04, the Lakers were a better team when both guys were eating. But Shaq had this ego problem. It first showed up in Orlando when he started to get jelly over Penny getting attention despite the fact that Penny was the opposite of Kobe personality wise and a perfect Robin for someone like Shaq who was willing to placate Shaq. If he had issues with that guy then maybe the issue wasn't all on Kobe.
@ Yep…People forget that Shaq was JEALOUS of Penny… That’s why they didn’t gel and win chips together
The Kobe Bryant disrespect needs to stop.
The lebron disrespect needs to stop. This channel is literally a lebron hate channel
@KOSIEKEMIRI-k1xso exposing LeBron is disrespecting him now? 🤔🤦🏽
@KOSIEKEMIRI-k1xyall LeBron fans confuse anything but worshipping as hate.
It’s not disrespect. Kobe is one of the best players ever and is top 15. Lebron is just top 2
I don’t respect 🍇ist
Young kids don’t realise that LBJ/Wade joined up because of Kobe.
All that interview proves is that Wade recruited LeBron. LeBron n Kobe met 22 times n LeBron gave him the business 16 times lol
@ and Jokic gave LBJ the business with ZERO help 🤷♂️
@@xavicastorena4739how many times they meet in the finals we using regular season records including the times LeBron was on the best team in the world? Plenty of dudes got winning records on LeBron you won’t bring that up tho curry and Leonard own that balco fraud foh
@bGzzzzz: An aging LeBron who’s no longer in his prime? Yeah I agree..
@spoodyR3: LeBron was handing Kobe Ls before he left for Miami and even hit a game winner on Kobe at Staples lol
Also Curry beat LeBron in 2015 when LeBrin didn’t have Kyrie or Love and he was the 2nd best player on his own team when they got KD! He needed 3 other All Stars to beat LeBron. When it was an equal playing field LeBron beat Curry every time lol. Curry even did his Kobe impression by blowing a 3-1 lead 😂 😂
Kobe and Shaq wasn’t a Batman and Robin scenario….it was a Captain America/Iron Man or Superman/Batman scenario
Shaq n Kobe*
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
@@xavicastorena4739 its the same either way thats how words work
@@CoreTradingMastery You are diving too deep into the analytical world to make Lebron the best.
Good job on your extensive search and time as I didn't read all of that nonsense since it's statpadding for Lebron.
@@brianchua4240lol if it’s supports lebron it’s diving too deep in analytics if it’s against him it’s just simple facts and stats, right?
Speaking about Kobe's 33/7/7 on 51 fg% series against the Spurs in '01 as "Robin", LeBron against the Spurs as the "main character" went 22/7/7 on 35 fg% in 2007; 25/10/7 on 44 fg% in 2013 and 28/7/4 on 57 fg% in 2014, while his team was blown out of the court 4-1 and he had a negative +/- of 9,4. Also, Duncan in 2001 was 25, not 38 like in 2014.
The floor was open for Kobe because of shaq
The floor was open for lebron by wade and bosh.
Kobe fans complain about LeBron’s stats yet what do u do? Bring up stats…
@@thewatcherowl6752 I would take a prime Shaq over that version of Wade and Bosh combined
@@xavicastorena4739 It's because you Lebron fans love stats. That's the only thing Lebron fans look and prioritize at.
Kobe Bryant has built his career around winning.
It's been his sole focus ever since bursting into the league as a fresh-faced shooting guard.
And he's done a lot of it, whether paired up with Shaquille O'Neal or Pau Gasol.
And even during down stretches for the Los Angeles Lakers, he's soldiered on, attempting to carry his team despite the elevated minute totals and falling odds.
He built his career getting carried by Shaq and going through the weakest West ever in 09 n 2010
@xavicastorena4739 LeBron built his career off of the nba's front office having refs cheat for him and creating superteams in order to win
@@xavicastorena4739 Lol cry a river, it wasn't the weakest west when dirk and duncan were still competing. O and dirk demolished LeBum in 2011.
Bruh, can you spit facts instead of useless opinions.
@mr.perfect1749: Funny since former MBA referee, Tim Donaghy said the NBA higher ups told them to give Kobe special treatment and calls. Look at game 6 of the 02 WCFs against the Kings aka the worst officiated game in NBA history.
@FrodoTbag: Except Kobe didn’t play Dallas n SA in 09 n 2010….
It's funny that ppl think that Lebron getting the most 30 point games means something, It's Mj's record, Lebron did it in 7 more seasons, embarrassing.
They always need to mentioned useless facts to prop up this overrated underachieiving bum. some fanboy told me yesterday that lebron is only player with 4 mvps in 5yrs as if it was something remarkable,when he should have more because he played more seasons than mj or kareem.plus having no mvps second time on cavs when his fanboys already called him the goat and say that was his best version.
@MultiSimonchan And most of those mvps are given to him on a silver platter, like the 2013 one where Melo should've gotten it and I'm forgetting if it was the 2009 or 2010 season but Kobe got robbed.
And that goes for all of his longevity stats.
Lebron fans: He's the greatest scorer because he's all time points leader! He also has $11k rebounds and assists! Numbers don't lie!
Me: So he's the worst shooter and ball handler because he's all time leader in missed FG and TO?
Lebron fans: No. That doesn't count because he played 22 years.
@jayk6194 Now that's lebron glazers for you
@@jayk6194🤣🤣🤣🤣. I argued with some Lebron Stans and they said he shoots better than MJ because his field goal percentage is higher. I said if he is such a great shooter than why did the Spurs run a defense in the finals that forced Lebron to shoot and not get to the basket? His field goal percentage is higher because he is always at the basket. Not because he shoots better
Please don’t stop. The Kobe narrative needs to change. LeBron bought the media a long time ago.
it will Never change😂😂😂😂
Yeah I'm from LA, and it's tragic how this industry media machine has tried to change history, and erase our boy Kobe from the records.
He was the best and most skilled player in the NBA from 2000 to 2012
Facts!!
LeFlop even doesn't know how to read... the MEDIA bought him
@@stevencoardvenice exactly. I’m just glad I’m old enough to have watched his whole career.
This is what LeBron brought to the NBA
1. Superteam (players dont want to compete with each other anymore)
2. Flopping
3. Making excuses (ie didnt participate in the Dunk Contest after he announced that he would)
4. Passive aggressive behavior (ie hand cast)
5. Flopping again
6. Bronny
7. JJ Redick
8. Klutch Sports (ie LeGM / Ruined the Lakers)
Enough said!
You are awesome and may I add a 9th?
9. Flopping.
10. stat padding
11. Sky Dragon 8 Steps travelling
12. Epic bricks
The disrespect for Kobe is crazy. It was a bit better after his passing but now is back in full force. This gotta be Klutch influencing the media especially because Bron plays for the Lakers. Luckily people like Skap still strong showing the truth.
it's only that little group.... i surely hope ppl dont actually watch or listen to gill, he's just a dikkhead that makes skip bayless takes
Are you srsly saying this on a Bron hate page? This is like preaching morals in a thong in front of the congregation hahahaha
@@andrewcook1246Facts are not hate
@@andrewcook1246 put your drawers back on, fanboy. bron don't care bout you.
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
lebron can't tie Kobe's shoelaces 🤣
KOBE WAS A SELFISH BALL HOG, WHY WOULD LEBRON TIE HIS SHOE?
@wisdomenake242 Cuz Kobe was the man and bron is Lebitch
@@wisdomenake242Kobe did hog the ball sometimes.But LeBron keeps the ball in his hand.double the times of anyone that ever played basketball 🏀.He is a way bigger ball hog.And LeBron did it out of being selfish.Kobe did it because He didn't have any players that he can trust to make a play when needed.
He'd have to be able to tie his own first..
Kobe can’t even take LA to the playoffs without Phil 😂
He needed a system unlike LeBron 💯
I watched both of their careers.Kobe was hands down more dominant skill and better, While lebron was a popularity contest in a media built figure he could accumulate stats, But it didn't equate to winning , so they burp him over a dozen all stars trying to create this artificial goat, and now the nba's at one of its lowest points, Jordan and Kobe set the bar so high that they can't even artificially.Build it back to that greatness
I prefer Kobe over LeBron by far. Kobe had that KILLER mentality, the Legendary Black Mamba, lethal, deadly when it counts, the only one that ever came close to MJ’s competitiveness.
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams championships
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 40,474 pts on 50.6% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
You got Kobe D ick n yo A ss 🤣
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
Ah yes his mentality is why hes above Lebron
also we not gonna act like LeBron has a killer mentality too
@ LeBron has never been known to be clutch. He has never had that cold blood killer mentality.
You're not a real fan. That's not even what makes him better it's his achievements in the West
To be honest, Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq, and also needed Dwade, Kobe managed to get two more without Shaq. He's no sidekick, Shaq won all those finals mvps because he had the easier match-up, Kobe had to guard guys like Reggie Miller, AI, Kerry Kittles, miss me with all this sidekick BS
Now this is the truth!! People always forget Shaq couldn’t win in Orlando with penny hardaway he needed Kobe. In all reality Kobe carried shaq, I rewatched all 3 finals and Kobe was the best player in each one. The bean was never no side kick
I agree the East had weak centers or were past there prime Ric Smith was 36 years old in 2000 finals Mutabo was 35 in 2001 finals and the Nets center was a no body Shaq had it easy
Are u slow? Shaq took Orlando to the Finals in just his 3rd NBA season. What did Kobe do in yr 3 outside of finally coming off the bench? N while Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime n blew a 3-1 lead, Shaq won it all. U could say Kobe won more but 3 was off the back of Shaq n 2 was going up against the weakest West ever n both of them won their last title in yr 14.
@@_GwuapoWithout Kobe Bryant, Shaq had been swept six times in playoffs. Five of them came from 1994,1995,1996,1998, and 1999 when he got swept during the playoffs before Kobe arrived playing with Shaq. When he leave Kobe, He got swept by the Chicago Bulls in 2007 in First round.
@@xavicastorena4739 And what happened? He got SWEPT by Hakeem and the Rockets. Shaq went on to win 1 chip w/o Kobe. Kobe went to 3 str8NBA finals winning back to back championships w/o Shaq.
Loool even if we give Balco stans what they want Kobe's 2-1 without Shaq is better than Bron's losing record with superteams all his career 😂😂
Big Facts‼️💯
Facts. These balco fans should leave earth
Rather be accused of roids than 🍇
@@xavicastorena4739false allegations but you right ngl
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
How can you be the GOAT and not be a closer? I love how you smoked that fool live for the world to see Skap.
How can you be the GOAT but can't make a free throw
@@rosharma7443 How can you be the GOAT, while losing on a stacked team against JJ Barea.
How can you be the GOAT when you have the most losses in the NBA post-merger?
exactly. MJ was a closer. You want to be compared to him you gotta be held to those same standards
@@davidriedy5977 Kobe tried to be compared to Mike and play and act like him but yet when they showed how he did in clutch situations during the playoffs they showed he was 7 of 28. So he's not a closer.
The audacity to declare a man who can't shoot outside of 3 ft as the GOAT
Funny because Lebron is a better 3 point shooter than Kobe and MJ by every metric. Numbers don’t lie
Yet has a higher 3 point percentage than Kobe
@@xavicastorena4739 Why is a power forward with limited skills shooting 3's?
@@J-bones4 Numbers also show that his 3's don't impact winning.
@@J-bones4 yeah they do. they let idiots who don't watch the game pretend that being left wide open on purpose is in any way comparable to having to go to war for every shot and still getting guarded. Y'all have lost the plot
As Kobe fans, we genuinely value your support, Skapattack, for advocating for Kobe and presenting the truth about him within context.
I not really fan of basketball, but watching him play a give me vibe of mj
@GS-mh6ub Lebron still better
Skaps a bum dude literally sweats and has veins popping outta his face when hating on lebron when was doing a podcast with gil
Yes, after this show them Kobe’s back to back run with gasol and it’s definitely not even a debate on how dominant Kobe truly was on his title runs 🔥🔥🔥
I'll bet Shaq wouldn't call kobe a robin
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
Pau should have won Finals MVP in 2010. But Kobe's ppg was higher so they gave it to him. Pau was more valuable though. Everybody knows that.
@CoreTradingMastery did you really just lay out that whole argument without bothering to listen to ANYTHING the man said on this video? "Carried" in '01 & '02?? Nobody who is his team's ONLY real offensive option late in close games is being carried. 01 especially, since Kobe closed out the SAC series(in which he averaged 35.0 a game's worth of "being carried") with games of 36 and then a 48 pt 16 rebound closeout game that Shaq fouled out of... only to open the Spurs (#1 seed) series with 45 & 10, a good start to a series where he again led the Lakers with 33 a game (+7 rebounds & 7 assists, remember?). Of COURSE Shaq took over in the finals, but not because Kobe couldn't... Dikembe Mutombo was 100 lbs. smaller than Shaq... he may have been DPOY, but that's because he only had to face Shaq twice during the reg. season. EDIT: scratch that, he didnt face him at all, since he was traded from ATL BEFORE facing the Lakers twice and AFTER Philly faced them twice.
In 02, again-- nobody who carries his team in the 4th Q is being carried. Nor is anyone who scored 27 a game in the finals (and you'll love this: with STAGGERING efficiency, shooting well over 50% from the field AND from 3). As far as the SAC game, how is ONE GAME of semi-debatable calls being CARRIED? It's an entirely different argument you're mixing in to your "Kobe was carried for 3 titles because he was inefficient" argument.
Every playoff run is it's own thing... but 1 thing is recurringly true in Kobe's titles... while another player sometimes shared the load, he was never carried. Even after being intentionally injured & missing a game and 3 quarters, the Lakers needed him to come back early & dominate late in the 4th & in OT after Shaq fouled out to keep the Indiana series in '00 from going 2-2. He did play terribly in 3 of the 5 games vs. Detroit in 04--of course, he dominated in game 2, and hit the last second three to win it.
Nope. I can't get with your theory. Especially since it turned into a "let's throw in as many extraneous stats as possible to gloss over the fact that he was never carried" poo-flinging exercise. If you want to make the case for why he isn't in your top 5 or 10 or 100, fine, your comment would fit the bill. That wasn't the topic here, though.
@@terrellbaker1660 you must be trolling lol
Kobe’s 2001 playoff run is legendary 👌
@@facelessandnameless shaqs run
@@SportsFitness-j8e😂😂😂. Shaq was great, but didn't do much before Kobe was inserted into the starting line up. Just like LeBron didn't do much until he joined wades team.
@@SportsFitness-j8e ^ was not as good, yes. We get it.
@@SportsFitness-j8e You mean when Shaq got fouled out and Kobe had always to pick up the slack? Face it, Shaq won nothing before Kobe became a star and would've won jack shit without Kobe (Maybe he would've still got one with D Wade). He even said it himself.
And 02-03 is when he literally became 95-98 Jordan💯footwork middy game handles and was that all the way up until he tore his Achilles
Just ask the Spurs if Kobe was the second option in 2001 and 2002. Kobe was the more dominant player when they played against Western Conference playoff teams. The Weetern conference was vastly superior to the East. It wasn't until the Lakers played lesser Eastern conference teams in the finals that Shaq Dominated. That's a fact for the 2001 and 2002 runs.
I agree the real finals were the WCF yes Shaq got those finals MVP becuase the East had weak centers or were past there prime
Yes cause not like Shaq was going up against Duncan or Robinson…
@@xavicastorena4739but that’s EXACTLY what he’s talking about,Kobe was the best in those series
@ashleywright1116: When he went up against lesser competition
2001,2002,2004, 2008
Kobe was the best player vs the spurs each time
Kobe Bryant was able to win championships ain't no slander towards him will not be tolerated.
I keep saying Kobe basically won a chip by himself pau is not a superstar
@@Letsstartthere4
Pau Gasol a hall of famer so try again trying to dismiss him to uplift Kobe Bryant who never won by himself show me series he average 100 ppg I'll wait
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams championships
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 40,474 pts on 50.6% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
You got Kobe D ick n yo A ss 🤣
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
Kobe better than LJ Curry KD combined
@@StackhouseJerrykobe brya
If Kobe was "Robin," then why did the Lakers choose Kobe over Shaq. Great video once again, Skap.
Insert gibberish response from Gil.
Kobe was waaaaaaaay younger than Shaq, and he was a lot cheaper than Shaq at the moment who was a handful and was even challenging the team owner during this time.
Its pretty easy to choose a coming into his prime Kobe at 25 over an exiting his prime Shaq at 32. Were you in diapers or just riding the short bus at the time?
Shaq was older and they just drafted Kobe who was like Mike when the league was in the post Jordan era
Age! Potential, skillset..
If they were the same age they would've chosen Shaq. Even at the time with shaq being at the end of his prime most people thought the Lakers were making a mistake.
If Kobe was the sidekick, why did he have to tell the main character that he needed to work harder? I’ve never seen a sidekick do that. I think Shaq and Kobe were more like Superman and Batman.
Just because he held the main character accountable doesn’t make him not the sidekick, Shaq was the better player plain and simple.
Which still put Shaq as the alpha. Last time I checked Superman is way more powerful than Batman. You sound foolish suggesting that they are equals.
@@terrellbaker1660 Batman is the goat of superheroes because of his humanity, intelligence, strategic thinking, and precisely for lack of superpowers.
Superman is weaker than a 100 year old's penis in an arena of kryptonite.
@@julianthegrapplerI saw Kobe as the main character since 2001 and even Shaq said it
@Ramos7555 Kobe still a sidekick shaq literally won all the finals mvps
What did Kobe do to Gilbert? Is there a game or moment where Gilbert was embarrassed by Kobe? If so, maybe that is the reason for dismissing Bryant’s legacy
What did bron do to you guys
@ I didn't mention LeBron. I see Gilbert and Kobe
@KOSIEKEMIRI-k1x He stayed the shit eating crybaby queen he always was, and made the Lakers a circus and laughing stock in combination with the ownership.
He’s getting that klutch sports money back in 2014 he admitted Kobe was a superior player not stats a better basketball player than lebron now he flip flopped saying that LeBron is a better player
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
That 2001 Kobe Bryant was incredible..
An 22 year old Kobe Bryant was special… people forget that he was the NBA’s lead scorer at the time with 29ppg before Allen Iverson took the scoring title and the league MVP later that year ..also,.. Kobe proved the world that he’s not a “SideKick” and he wasn’t carried those 3 rings with Shaq..Kobe is the reason to help Shaq to get to the finals for three straight years from all the disappointments in Orlando.. And I will never forget at the time during the 2001 Western conference finals press, conference Shaquille O’Neal himself with his own words” I think he’s the best player in this league by far” Shaq knew that Kobe is the best player. Including last year on NBA TV NBA finals pregame, Shaq said recently” I wasn’t the best player on the team”.
They are Superman and Batman .
Shaq is Superman, he has dominant strength, but his weakness is the free throws as his kryptonite.
Kobe is Batman, he has an elite skill.
And let’s be real all these LeBron fans out here had no common sense.
Stop with the lies and stop with the narratives PERIOD..
Side kicked that scored,rebound and assisted more than the Alpha in 2000 game 7 WCF. Side kicked that just dismantled the number 1 seed Spurs iand Kings 01.
Shaq was the sidekick in the tougher west, and then feasted on the weak ass East centers to get an easy Finals MVP. Kobe could have done it, had Shaq let it happen. That's why Kobe went and did it back to back without him and proved everyone who doubted him wrong.
Edit: I'm exaggerating on Shaq being a sidekick for emphasis, by the way. Like Tom Tolbert said once on NBC, "These guys aren't Batman and Robin. What these guys are is Superman and Batman."
@J23LA24 that's the context they ignore. Shaq was in fact the sidekick against the real competition
Shaq lead the playoffs during the 3peat in points, rebounds n win shares. Wow Kobe “did better” against SA while Shaq was going up against Duncan n Robinson while Kobe went up against Bowen n Jackson 😂
At the end of the day Shaq won 3 FMVP
@TheRefslovesMichaelJordan at the end of the day iggy won finals mvp in 2015, Kahwi won finals mvp in 2014, Cedric maxwell won finals mvp in 81 over Bird. So what does that mean? Other than they had a great series out of 4 during a playoff run? And in Shaq's case his was against the easiest competition of any one of those players I just named.. the competitive was in the west. Level of competition trumps everything. How can you brag about dominating a freshman team, but be average to Below average against another varsity team that's as good or even better than yours. While your teammate dominated that competition you were average against. And say you were the best player? 🤣🤣
@5:51 YES. The anti-Kobe campaign is all about trying to make LeBum look better. But it’s like the saying goes… just cuz you pour syrup on 💩 dont make it pancakes. LeBum will always be LeLame.
Shaq and Kobe were the 2 best players in the association during that time. Shaq deserved those finals MVP's but for anyone to act like Kobe was a sidekick/robin obviously never watched the games.
By 2002 even ESPN Kobe haters were calling them Superman and Batman.
Simple: Maybe we should flip flop scenarios. How would Kobe do with DWade and Bosh? Championships of course, and no Mavs choke job.
How would LeBron fare with Shaq? Not as well as one would initially think. Who is closing for them? Not LeBron. Big shot Bob better up his game. 😂
Look no further than the 2008 and 2012 Olympic teams. Kobe was Batman and LeBron was Robin.
Crazy how the sidekick won more championships and ended up on the Mount Rushmore of most peoples minds with a halfway decent basketball iq, while shaq jumped from team to team and never gets mentioned in anyone’s top 5..what a legendary sidekick!❤️😂
If you and me play together but im winning the regular season mvp, scoring title and the fmvps yes, you are my sidekick
@@KobaniacMindednot if the coach is giving me the ball at the end of games because the 1st option can’t hit FTs and can’t close games. Plus who was Shaq guarding in the Finals and who was Kobe guarding? 😂🤡
@@michaelbarnes2126good a sidekick doing his job, Kris Middleton did that for giannis nobody says he's giannis equal who was Kobe guarding old broken down Reggie Miller? AI by himself with no other offensive players to bail him out? Kerry 😆 Kittles?
@@KobaniacMinded meanwhile Shaq has the pleasure of facing an old ass DPotY Mutumbo, Jason Collins and Rik Smits. Shaq’s competition in the Finals was way inferior to who Kobe had to deal with and guard 🤣🤡
@@KobaniacMinded Ok kris Middleton is where I draw the line…never speak basketball again my G. If Giannis and SGA were on the same team and Giannis scores more points a game by a small margin and they become the best team in the league so the person who has a higher scoring average gets the MVP does that negate SGA’s offensive impact ? If SGA is the one that has to pickup the slack for Giannis in crunch time cause he can’t hit a free throw to save his life then who really if more valuable Giannis or SGA? Ok now picture SGA as an ALL NBA FIRST TEAM DEFENDER that was Kobe Bryant, he was no robin he was Batman to Shaqs Superman, both were main characters and two of the 3 best players in the world at the time hence the 3 peat. The ONLY true three peat since the bulls and the ONLY 3 peat AFTER not all because Shaq but because of SHAQ AND KOBE.
Shaq was being benched in the 4th coz hes either fouled out or to avoid hack a shaq. How can shaq carry kobe from the bench? The lebronzexuals are too delusional to talk anything that make sense
EXACTLY!!!! This same scenario happened in the damn Finals in 2000 in Game 4. Shaq fouled out with like 5 minutes left in the game and Kobe proceeded to calm down Phil and the Lakers bench with clutch shot after clutch shot. The game went to OT where Kobe yet again took over and led the Lakers to that win. While the best player on the team was riding the pine, that’s carrying someone lol
Biggest lie in NBA history! Outside of game 4 of the 2000 Finals which Kobe only averaged 16ppg and LA already had a commanding lead and game 6 of the 02 WCFs Finals aka the worst officiated game in NBA history, name the time Shaq fouled out n Kobe took over in the post season.
Fun FACT: Shaq scored a total of more points in the 4th quarter during the 3peat than Kobe did.
@ you forgot to mention that Kobe had a badly twisted ankle due in part to the Pacers purposely injuring him in 2000 in the Finals. Jalen Rose said this himself who was there in the Finals playing against Kobe lol. And Shaq only scored one more point than Kobe in their post season runs together we saw the stats already so you lying lol. Like a lot of Kobe haters do, lie for no reason when the internet exists smh
@michaelbarnes2126: Yes post season meaning when IT MATTERED MOST! 😂
@@xavicastorena4739 one more point doesn’t matter tho. Especially when Kobe was the 1st option when the game needed to be closed. Phil, Shaq and Kobe all said this lol
I was arguing with a guy on IG last time abt Kobe and LeBron and i throw him this line :
"During that run, Kobe averaged 29.3 pts 7 rbds and 6 assists with a 55% TS. Yet LeBron in his "goated" 2016 playoffs run averaged 26.3/9.5/7.6 with a 58% TS (while being a layup merchant of course). So now tell me, how can one of those series be considered "goated" while the other can be dismissed as "horrible field percentage cause all he could do is jack up dumb shots"?"
Never heard of the guy ever since
They say that cause LeBron lead in all five major statistical categories, but what you pointed out is the flaw in the feat.
Both teams were running small ball where Lebron had the ball in his hand more than anyone on the court. So that explains his assists and points.
Rebounds and blocks, who was he competing against? Draymond green?
@@MikeBNumba6What flaw ?
Lebron handpicked his teams since 2010 till present … don’t blame nobody else on his failures
@@westside8514 Yup believe in your own delusion
@tcb6344 Lebron still better than Kobe
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Bro thinks he's him becuz he won an argument with someone dumber than him
DEBATE ME
There is a serious argument for Kobe being #2 all-time.
I see that its Kareem. Dude has the best resume.
@@alfasiger4178 Kareem was not the Alpha on his Lakers team. Larry Bird or Magic Johnson could be a better candidate.
@@alfasiger4178plp was saying MJ the goat after just his 2nd chip so resume really isn't the criteria. On court ability's and winning championships is . And MJ and Kobe are above everyone else
If u rode the short bus to school 😂
I put Bird at 2 by .0000001%, then Kobe. Only reason I put Bird over Kobe is his ability to call his shot successfully.
Very good video! I never realized that Kobe actually averaged more PPG than LeBron in his 3-peat titles.
Mind you when scoring and pace was lower than 2014- now
Real NBA fans don't have LECLOWN in their top 💯
Funny cause I don’t have Kobe in my top 💯
@xavicastorena4739 go cry somewhere else,
@@xavicastorena4739then you only been watching basketball since 2013 smh
I agree most definitely. LeQueen falling outta the top 10 with all the losing, bricking in the clutch and not playing defense 😂
@@michaelbarnes2126lebron is way more clutch than kobe but ok
Kobe won 5 rings w one team Kobe played through injury because he cared about the fans Kobe helped LeBron Olympic gold, Kobe never tasted bronze like LeBron, Kobe proved he can win without Shaq, he didn't leave LA and join other stars. LeBron can't touch Jordan, However LeBron is trying to erase or match Kobe, Kobe was training and coaching his daughter, and was fully supporting women's basketball. LeBron in a Laker uniform, promoting his son , promoting Caitlin Clark no shade she's great, perfectly timed breaking records as a Laker. If Kobe was alive , he'd speak about how the Lakers organization is conducting itself like a Joke.
LeBron James has received THE MOST HELP in NBA history from a teammate.
In the last 2 mins of 1 possession games during the 2016 playoffs:
Bron - 5 points 2/9 fg 22%
Kyrie - 8 points 3-6 fg 50% and one of the biggest GAME WINNING SHOTS in NBA finals history.
Also Kyrie is 8th ALL TIME in Finals PPG. (27.69)
For reference:
Scottie Pippen is 45th all time (18ppg)
Pau Gasol is 54th all time (17ppg)
- LeBron is 10-11 in one possession games in the finals; if he was more clutch he would have more chips.
- 2 BRONZE international medals (a historic choke job than even his fanboys can't explain away).
- Only 19 game winning shots in 20 years full of travels, carries, and super-teams giving him more space in those situations.
- Getting outperformed in the clutch by kyrie in his most clutch year: 2016 (kyrie scored more points in clutch time and hit the game winning shot)
-Most finals and playoff losses.
- 6 finals losses with super-teams while going through an easier conference.
- under 30% shooting in the clutch in the postseason.
- 0 for 7 on Game Winners in the NBA Finals (ZERO for 7).
- LeBron James Has Only Made 19 Of 107 Shots In Clutch Situation During His Career: 17.8% FG, 12.5% From 3-Pointers. HORRIBLE.
- LeBron shoots 65% from the FT Line in the 4th Quarter for his CAREER.
-LeBron shoots 31% in the playoffs for his career outside of the paint.
-LeBron has the HIGHEST TO rate in the 4th Quarter of all-time (1.9).
-LeBron has over 5000 Turnovers, by far the most in NBA history, as well as the most total TO's in "clutch" time in both the NBA playoffs AND the NBA Finals.
-The three most clutch shots in LeBron's career were hit by: Ray Allen (2013), Kyrie Irving (2016), and Anthony Davis (2020 Bubble).
LeBronze is not clutch and does NOT have a high hoops IQ. Nobody with a high hoops IQ has, by far, the most TURNOVERS in history (by far).
The LeBron system - total domination of the ball. That way, you have a gaudy statline. When you win, you did it all by yourself. You lose? Well, look at those stats! You just didn't have enough help. He isn't the GOAT, but he is the greatest con man to ever play the game.
Anybody who thinks LeBalco is better than Kobe is illiterate.
It’s simple. Name another NBA ‘GOAT’ who got lazy and never developed/fixed holes in his game which were apparent in his rookie season? Kobe never got lazy. MJ, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic never got lazy and always worked hard even when their bodies were breaking down.
The sad part is all these under 25 year olds who completely eat up everything they hear on ESPN and truly believe Lebron is some God like figure. Brainlets.
*Thank You* For Giving *Kobe* His *Respect*
kobe was a sidekick to shaq like durant was a sidekick to curry lol 2 legit superstars on a team does not make 1 a sidekick...especially when they were both very productive...
Yea they only say that to discredit Kobe's rings.
But to your point they don't bring up the side kick for curry and Durant. Why?
Because then the media will be forced to say their golden boy was the side kick to Durant, but they can't do that because they don't want to ruin Steph's pr.
They don't even do side kick talk with Boston
@@MikeBNumba6only Kobe gets that bs narrative it’s tired I’m so sick of hearing it
Skap is KILLING it!
Keep it up...
this Robin/Sidekick airballed 3 SHOTS in the playoffs *as a rookie* because all his vets were SCARED of the moment, including the -Batman- Superman on the team.
Meanwhile, on a different duo, he views Middleton as THE BATMAN on the team just because Giannis doesn't have the ball as much in the clutch due to his poor jump shooting and ft.
So, what is the criteria of being "JUST" a sidekick compare to 1A 1B?
Middleton was only clutch more then Giannis down the stretch up to 2021. After the bucks won the chip Giannis has gotten much better down the stretch on a night to night basis. And Midton is not all nba or all defensive or leading the playoffs in clutch points . Giannis is much better down the stretch then shaq was.
Keep going bro , ima a 30 year old Kobe fan and the slander has always been so disrespectful
Simple fact is this, the Olympic team that had Lebron lost, but when they brought Kobe, they won. They couldn't win, until they got Kobe on that team. All those super stars and they needed Kobe? That says the big difference between Lebron and Kobe, leadership and a winning attitude!!
kobe was carried by shaq for his first 3 rings. in his next two rings, Pau led both 09 and 10 finals in 4th quarter scoring (even though kobe is supposedly clutch). Pau also led the lakers in win shares in both 09 and 10 finals.
kobe was also objectively bailed out by refs in many finals. in game 6 (kobe facing elimination) 2002 finals 4th quarter, lakers got 27 free throws to the 9 free throws by the kings, in a 4 point win. in game 7 2010 finals, lakers shot 20 more free throws in a another close 4-point win.
kobe is not "clutch." stats and games show it. he shoots below average in game tying shots in both playoff and regular season games. on the biggest stage. he cost the lakers a 4-peat with his terrible performance in game 3 of the 2004 finals. he has 11 points on 30% shooting, with 4 turnovers for just 5 assists. he lost the 2008 finals for his team in game 6 (facing elimination) with 22 points on 32% shooting, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! he almost cost his team another champion with just 12 points from the field with 25% shooting. he had 2 assists with again, 4 turnovers. he was bailed out with 15 free throw attempts. as before mentioned, the lakers shot 20 more free throws that game to be bailed out.
kobe had 9x all defensive first teams that he didn't deserve. even Phil Jackson called out Kobe saying he didn’t deserve defensive team selections for a long time. during his 9 first team selections, his defensive +/- was 0.26. overall, his career average defensive +/- is NEGATIVE. don't tell me stats aren't everything when stats clearly show that opposing teams scored MORE with kobe on the floor. look at someone like lebron. he has 5x all defensive first team. during those selections he had an average defensive box +/- of 2.7. his career average is 1.9. enough said, massively overrated defender.
kobe never led the league in an advanced analytic one time in a 20 year career, not a single time did he lead the league in personal efficiency rating, value over replacement, box plus minus, or win shares. That’s mind blowing when you consider that: MJ, kareem, wilt, russell, james all did it over 40-50 times each & then you have players like bird, o’neal, dr. J, oscar, etc. who did it 15-20+ times through their career. and, one of the "greatest scorers ever," kobe never shot above 47% once in 20 years.
@@CoreTradingMastery You can copy this comment 100 more times. It won't make you any less pathetic.
the 18 year old bron that didnt play as a rookie in the olympics?
@@gokublackarcsaga752no 2006 when they lost both Bron and Wade were superstars already Wade literally a fmvp also had melo bosh etc
@@gokublackarcsaga752that 2004 is on Duncan and AI they were the best players and the leaders from a superstar perspective just that whole team didn’t have the chemistry or know how to play with eachother im willing to bet if Kobe was there tho he would’ve whooped everyone’s ass into shape too bad tho league was disrespecting him as always
Keep in mind that it took a near triple double from Kobe in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals against Portland to propel the Lakers to the 2000 NBA Finals and the eventual three peat with Shaq while playing with foul trouble during that game 7 against Portland.
Facts remember watching it live and was like damn Shaq gotta stay outta foul trouble then Kobe got into foul trouble. I think he played with 4 and then got that 5th. I was shittin bricks 😅 Kobe hit pippen with that nasty cross then dish to Shaq for the lob smh 🤦🏿♂️ 😬 I miss the era
@jayjohnson7646 Me too.
They didnt know that Shaq is Superman and Kobe is the Batman.😂
2000 Playoffs:
Kobe became the first, and only, guard in NBA HISTORY to ever rack up 30 Steals and 30 Blocks in a single playoff run in 2000. MJ NEVER did that. Kobe's defense during that run was arguably the best EVER by a guard in NBA playoff history. They lost the pivotal game 3 in which Kobe was injured (intentionally injured by Jalen Rose in game 2, so Kobe missed 2 out of the 6 games, Lakers split those games 1-1). But went 3-1 with Kobe. With Shaq they were .500 but with Kobe they were .750.
ANYBODY who thinks LeBalco is better than Kobe must ride the short bus (and probably suffers from the Dunning-Kruger Effect).
All LeFRAUD rings was PARTICIPATION RINGS. Not legitimate cuz Lefraud cheated the league by teaming up with his competition.
Who was that? Bosh who was only able to lead Toronto to just 2 playoff appearances in 7 seasons? Kyrie who was leading Cleveland to the playoffs? Cause LeBron was fortunate enough to begin his career playing alongside another top 10 player all time n the greatest coach of all time? Oh my fault that was Kobe… 😂
@@xavicastorena4739 ur computer won’t give you the accurate depiction of what’s really going on at that time. All you can do is devalue all the support and help that Lefraud got to win his championships and achieve his statistical records. All the things you’re doing is confirm that LeRider had an easy ride.
@@jolli4116the kobe delusion is sickening
@jolli4116: Wasn’t the East weak though? I’ve been hearing for literally years on how weak the East was from Kobe fans yet you want to talk about Kyrie who was leading Cleveland to the lottery and got swept in the 1st round with KD in Brooklyn?! Or Love who couldn’t even take Cleveland to the playoffs? Or Bosh who was only able to take Toronto to just two playoff appearances in 7 seasons and got bounced in the 1st round both times? Yeah make that make sense 😂
@@airjordan20_Three or the LeRider delusion sickening.
You cant even call LeBum a sidekick😂he was just carried by his superteams😂
Look at ur pfp and username... no just look at it😂😂. Ur life is revolved around lebron james
Your kind dosent actually look at facts. You just look at feelings. Name me one nba players that has gotten carried while still winning FMVP 4/4 times. Meanwhile ur bald headed daddy kobe only has 2😂 so who really got carried
@KOSIEKEMIRI-k1x it's a youtube username - not his life, silly...and who's the one showing up to try to razzle viewers on a 99% ratio video?
Talk about needing to "get a life", good lord.
@@shaft9000no he’s right. When you base your online personality on someone you hate it’s getting to the point where it’s not even about sports anymore. Its pure hatred for someone who doesn’t know you. This entire video and channel is just hating lebron or any other player that isnt jokic, mj, kobe, or a oldhead
Yeah I hate LeBlame bcoz he ruined the nba😂
LeBron is nowhere near Kobe. And it irks me how no one mentions LeBron is 4/10 in finals appearances. That’s a 40% win rate. This dude is the most celebrated loser I have ever seen. Kobe is 5/7 in finals appearances. That’s a 71% win ratio (if the argument is going to be about championships). Kobe kills LeBron in valuable metrics. Who the hell cares if you’re 20+ years and still athletic. What have you done in that time? And how have you done it? LeBron needs to claim irrelevant records ultimately because he cant outdo his main comp, Kobe, not Jordan. How Kobe can be tarnished like that is mind-boggling, especially when LeBron clearly pays all media to praise him (including the riding Gilbert).
If you want to ignore context, then believe what u want to believe
Would you rather him be 4/4? Is losing earlier in the playoffs better than losing in the Finals?
@@calebvanberkom5571 I would rather it be that if you will crown yourself "king," that you get to 10 nba finals and win 10 nba finals, or you get to 10 and win 7, or get to 10 and win 8. Why can someone marketed as being the greatest "get their team" to the dream and continually fail to ascend to "greatness"? It doesn't make sense. This guy is the greatest loser I have ever seen. His greatness is in losing, or in getting to the pinnacle and not able to claim the victory. Like, come on. If he is that good he shouldn't be losing that early in the playoffs and I understand it is a "team sport" but come on..what is he now doing but everything that is individual and not team sport related. Despite the fact that his stats are definitely padded, should he put as much energy not only getting into the finals but winning them, the story would be different. Other than that, he's parading around as a loser while the media crowns him as a winner. Its weird. He's trying to claim individual stats because he understands he needs to be remembered for something, because if he didn't, the narrative of him being a 40% finals winner while claiming the title of "king" would come under great scrutiny eventually. Never mind the fact that he has his longevity because when he understands he is losing he quits the moment, mentally checks out, and is mentally in the next season. Who wants to get to ten nba finals and then exit? If you can make it to the finals with your team, you should be able to win with that team and also go into that "zone of legends," that mindset and state of mind for victory. Lebron just fails to be great and the fact that his greatlessness is celebrated is absolutely mind-boggling to me. If you will lost in the first round, second round, get your rest sure, come back and be "king." He used to magnify the fact that he made the people around him better but when you can't do that when it counts...come on. And then when you are trying to claim individual titles now because you fail at actually doing what you claim yourself to be best at...come on. He's the greatest loser I ever seen
Skap, I really enjoyed your debate with Gil. U are a very respectful debater that doesnt turn to cursing and name calling when debate gets intense. I respect it, SUBSCRIBED
Seems like the "Robin" argument is only used against Kobe. I never hear people discredit Shaq's miami ring, Tim Duncan not winning all the finals mvps, Any of Magic Johnson's rings that he wasn't finals mvp, Kareem, Etc.. Only Kobe.. Weird energy/narratives.
SKAP COOKED GIL, FYF & GJK ,"I call that a 3peat"..
GJK is worse than Gilbert & FYF combined
@JW-1089 GJK is obsessed with Michael Jordan..
Lets expose SETTLE THIS "SHAQ WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD 00-02" was he ?????
99-00 = 2nd Best team in NBA was NOT the PACERS that was the BLAZERS
And in GAME 7 vs the Blazers what did MVP SHAQ do ?
Shaquille O'Neal put up 18 points and added 9 rebounds and 5 assists versus the Trail Blazers in Game 7 of the 2000 Western Conference
Finals on June 4, 2000. ONLY SCORED 2 POINTS IN THE 4TH QUARTER …..Got out scored by Rasheed Wallace (30 pts)
What did 21 year old kobe in game 7 ?
Kobe Bryant had a double-double with 25 points and 11 rebounds against the Trail Blazers in Game 7 of the 2000 Western
leading team in POINTS REBOUNDS BLOCKS AND ASSISTS (shaq should have more rebounds and blocks..)
00-01 = 2nd Best team in the NBA was NOT the 76ers that was the SPURS
What did 22yr old kobe do to THE BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM in the league ?
Kobe Bryant averaged 33.3 points, 7.0 rebounds and 7.0 assists in 4 games in the 2001 Western Conference Finals.
Shaquille O'Neal averaged 27.0 points, 13.0 rebounds and 2.5 assists in 4 games in the 2001 Western Conference Finals
01-02 - 2nd Best team in the NBA was NOT the NETS that was the SPURS/KINGS
Kobe Bryant averaged 26.2 points, 5.4 rebounds and 4.8 assists in 5 games in the 2002 Western Conference Semifinals.
Shaquille O'Neal averaged 21.4 points, 12.2 rebounds and 3.2 assists in 5 games in the 2002 Western Conference Semifinals.
Tim Duncan averaged 29.0 points, 17.2 rebounds and 4.6 assists in 5 games in the 2002 Western Conference Semifinals.
(shaq getting massively outplayed by Tim Duncan)
Shaquille O'Neal averaged 30.3 points, 13.6 rebounds and 2.4 blocks in 7 games in the 2002 Western Conference Finals.
Kobe Bryant averaged 27.1 points, 6.3 rebounds and 3.9 assists in 7 games in the 2002 Western Conference Finals.
CONCLUSION
00 = Shaq does NOT beat the blazers with out Kobe
01= Shaq does NOT beat the spurs without Kobe
02 = Shaq does NOT get passed the Spurs or Kings without Kobe
So WE CAN NOT call the EASTERN CONFERENCE THE LEASTERN CONFERENCE and then say "SHAQ HAS 3 FINALS MVPS" well DUH
Was shaq the "BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD in the WEST????" As we can see here that was NOT ALWAYS TRUE
BTW
Shaquille O'Neal averaged 22.4 points, 12.8 rebounds and 2.8 blocks in 30 games versus Tim Duncan in the playoffs in his career.
Tim Duncan averaged 25.6 points, 13.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 30 games versus Shaquille O'Neal in the playoffs in his career.
Tim duncan OUTPLAYED Shaq head to head which means shaq does NOT get OUT THE WEST minus Kobe….00 would have been his best chance without kobe
Imagine if Jordan would have had a prime Shaq as a rookie!!! That would have been amazing!!
Well considering Jordan didn’t even play his first 2 seasons and was injured its pretty much the same maybe MJ has an even bigger alpha dog attitude being at least older than Kobe was but I see no world where MJ does much better than Kobe did with Shaq I mean dude was dropping 30 and 40 point games playing all nba defense and still gets labeled a sidekick
0:17 I remember watching that clip on your channel, and I loved every second of it
To quote Jamal Crawford: "If Kobe isn't in your top 5, your list is stupid and isn't even worth looking at."
Players/Coaches who think Kobe is better than LeBron:
1. C. Bosh
2. D. Wade
3. Reggie Miller
4. Shaq
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Barkley
8. Kenny Smith
9. Tony Parker
10. Ginobli
11. Greg Poppovich
12. Mark Jackson
13. Michael Jordan
14. Kevin Durant
15. Kevin Willis
16. Stephon Marbury
17. Tim Hardaway
18. Rashard McCants
19. Allen Iverson
20. Vince Carter
21. Tracy McGrady
22. Bruce Bowen
23. Darius Miles
24. Quentin Richardson
I can go on and on and on. The list would go on for PAGES. I can even cite the exact dates and sources (where they said it), if you'd like.
Both Kyrie and Kevin Love said Prime Kobe was better than ANY version of LeBron and they were his teammates. Wade was his teammate and said Kobe was better. Bosh was his teammate and said Kobe was better. Darius Miles and Shaquille O'Neal played with LeBron and said Kobe was better.
At some point you have to put the liquor bottle down and stop drunk texting.
Kobe CLEARS LeBron easily. This is an I_Q test and a lot of Bron stans are failing.
Lol having lived through this era, Kobe was absolutely not a "sidekick"
You youngsters buying this are out of your mind
Every player LeBron is jealous of, is better than him. Kobe, Steph, MJ
...and Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, Zeke, Russell, Wilt, Joker, D Wade, (healthy) Kawhi, AD and arguably several more
@@shaft9000 lol, bro killed em
Freaking love this video Skap! Well done! 🔥🔥
Keep pushing bruh I love the Kobe love especially since he's not here!!!
Thank you, Skap! You make the best Kobe videos on the ENTIRE internet! Great work, Jay!
Thank you for preserving this man’s legacy skap, please never sell out and continue to keep it real and authentic in this space filled with LeBronTards
As apposed to guys discrediting Shaq getting quad drupled teamed to say Kobe wasn't a sidekick 😂
@ tell me you don’t know how triangle offense works without saying you don’t know how triangle offense works.
... If Kobe was alive
Non of this B.S would be happening. Noone would stand up to the black mamba
You've been on a heater, keep Killin it
You bodied the whole panel Skap, great work 💪🏾. Thank you for all that you do. 2025 is going to be an even better year than last. Keep the content coming Sir 🔥🔥🔥
Agent Zero talks down on Kobe because he dropped some big scores on him, but Kobe still elevated above him in accomplishments -- that's all that is.
Gil ain't messing with kobe, the Wizards lost that game where Gil dropped 60 and Kobe dropped 40. Kobe once dropped 50 against the sun's in the 06 playoffs and the Lakers still lost so he stopped shooting the next game to try and get his teammates involved. That shows he cared about winning not stats.
False narrative. LBJ is statistically more clutch.
What can more I say? All the arguments are on point, especially those stats🔥. Really a great video here.
Its the same disrespect stans use when they say Steph was the Robin and KD was Batman bc KD won 2 finals MVPs.
No way in hell has Steph ever been Robin to KD. It was clearly Steph's team. And there are multiple interviews of teams keeping their main focus on Steph and trying to slow him down, even if it allowd KD to be open.
Steph was soo lethal and so much gravitational pull, teams poured all energy to slow Steph down and were willing to leave Klay and KD open.
Because truly great players can adjust their game to make their team win, Steph's stats lowers and KDs raised, i.e. KDs numbers led to finals mvp.
Kd was great, but everyone knew everything ran through Steph.
The difference with Jabron Lames is he makes everyone change for HIS system, which allows him to have the ball in his hands more to increase passes (while telling players their role is to shoot once he passes the ball to get more assist), hangs near the basket in defense and tells teammates that if hes near the ball its his rebound, so they dont event attempt to jump.
And then shoots and drives while everyone clears out to an open lane and if he misses his layup, he will get the flop foul from his refs. (So instead of him missing shots and his true shot % is lower, calling a foul erases the miss, causes higher shot %.)
All while taking games off when necessary, playing the weakest offensive player to slack off, rest and blindside block other players, highering coaches he can control and force to use HIS system, and make the most trades of any player of all time to give him more "help", and paying media "experts" to create fake narratives and ignore any glaring flaws to elevate Jebron Lames into the fake goat debate.
FABRICATED KING 😂
Kobe is not better than LeBron and it really isn’t close but I love how you’re consistent with your hate
Nobody can beat Queen James in being a clown. Nobody has shat themselves as much as she has.
This is typical response disagree with the video and don’t elaborate why whatsoever
Let me know when LeBron wins a chip with his second option being a Gasol type player.
Until he does, LeBron is not better.
2000: shaq was batman, kobe was robin
2001: kobe was batman, shaq was robin
2002: shaq and kobe were batman and superman
In 2001 Kobe was batman and arguable better than Shaq. It was literally his best postseason in the 3 peat.
@@Huhbroski yeah i said that. in fact i didnt even say arguably better than shaq. i said he was outright better than shaq
ShAq was the best player the whole dynasty. Just because kone had a good playoff run 1 year with them together doesn’t put him above shaq. Especially since shaq got all the attention and Kobe was going one on one. For a guy that won MVP/FMVP/ASMVP scoring title for the season, lead scoring in the playoffs and finals, winning all 3 fmvps, there’s so much disrespect on Shaq’s name
I've been trying to tell people this. If you look at it closely and honestly, Kobe is the second best basketball player ever only behind MJ.
After Lebron retires, he will quickly take his proper place in history: one of the top 20 NBA players of all time. Without the constant hype and self-promotion, the goat conversation quickly ends, and Lebron's longevity becomes the thing he's most known for.
Kobe won games dspite Hack-s-Shaq being a thing. MJ to some extent had to put up w/ Hack-a-Rodman.
media plays Hack-A-Bron every year , gifting him "points"
Kobe fangirls act like Kobe always won it for LA due to Shaq being in foul trouble. Fake narrative
@@xavicastorena4739 Not sure you're understanding completely what hack a shaq was about. It was easy to just foul shaq send him to the line, maaaybe lose a point. Get possession for an easy 2 to be up 1 point.
Rinse and repeat. Adding up to 11 minutes per game. The rules were changed for a reason.
Skap! Love the content bro.. I was just watching videos of the Lakers 3peat and noticed Kobe was also doubled and triple teamed.. arenas was wrong, big time! Can you make a video on that? Keep killing these haters.. #mambaforever
Kobe putting up elite numbers as a "2nd option" speaks to his greatness. Also, I guarantee that nobody was preparing for Kobe as if he was a number 2 player
So if Kobe was a sidekick on his first championship…..wouldn’t that make Lebron a sidekick to AD in the bubble
Who won the fmvp in the bubble 😅😅😅😅😅😅
Who won Fmvp in the bubble 😅😅😅😅😅
Le40 ain't the goat
2nd to only MJ
Bredzisz xavi
@FekalistaGrzybowory-lz8lh: Bro can’t even spell actual words..
People need to bring up dwight being the bubble run. He was also crucial in stopping jokic. So literally without 2 hall of famers and defense players of the year lebron cant win . Lmaoo just like love and kyrie. Wade and bosch . See the pattern
Skap,
keep up the great work exposing the slander that MJ and Kobe take at the hands of these unKlutch sports shills and Lebron fan boys
One of the great shames of the death of Kobe Bryant is that it made it easier for the national sports and Klutch Sports media to dismiss him from the great debate. Also in a weird way, I believe it enabled LeBron to run roughshod over the Lakers organization. Do you people would be so disrespectful to Kobe if he was around to respond or call out the bullshit? And I guarantee LeBron's Lakers antics, the in season tournament celebration, the hiring of JJ, the drafting of Bronny would all be looked down on by him. I would have liked to have seen Kobe roll his eyes at all of it and take passive aggressive shots at both LeBron and the organization. If anything to make LeBron think twice and squirm at the opinion of a more recent legend of the game.
Skap, I watched the MVP Channel and saw how you took Gilbert to school. THANK YOU SO MUCH!! You can always tell who's so full of themselves when they fall flat on their face the moment they get called on their own B.S. (yes, looking at you Gilbert Arenas). This is the problem with what's happening in the NBA right now. Since when did someone like Gilbert Arenas and JJ Reddick (both NBA nobodies during their own era) ever become "expert analysts" all of a sudden? I'll take Skap all day long, thank you! 👍🏻
Great Work!💯🔥
I'll die on that hill w you!! #Mamba
I know your favorite player is LeBron. Your entire channel is based on him. You wouldn’t have any relevancy if he wasnt there for you to talk about every single video.
Get off Lebron sack, bozo. He cooked that 🤡
Get off your knees
How y’all continue to defend a guy like Lebron considering how he continues to cheat the game, throwing himself around the floor, and damn near crying just to get a foul call is just so bizarre to me. What is wrong with this generation?
I hated what they did to you on that livestream skap they were so disingenuous and the goof moderator was ganging up on you keep upholding Kobe’s legacy my man
Gilbert arenas will always be known not for his podcast for bringing guns into a locker room
How is this a debate?
Kobe had Pau & Shaq got 5 rings
LeBron had Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie, Love, AD & Westbrook got 4 rings
By that logic, Bill Russell is your GOAT and Robert Horry > MJ
Kobe > LeFraud
correction
Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>Curry >> LeDiddy
I want what you're smoking
The reason Kobe is dogged so much is because of the media. They are trying really hard to make lebalco look good.
"Luh-Brawn" lmao
As a Klutz operative, Gil talks doublespeak. Lebron forming superteams exemplifies “I’m not a lead dog”.
Lebron was never THE best player on any of those superteams; he was ONE of the best players.
DWade is painted as being consistently injury prone during LeBron’s time in Miami which is untrue. He was always painted as LeBron’s second which is also untrue and the same holds true with Kyrie in Cleveland.
Both Wade and Kyrie were alpha dogs and not second in command to Lebron.
If being a closer is a skill that MJ and Kobe possess but Lebron doesn’t then how is he better than Kobe?
Kobe never gets the love from the media, unfortunately I think it has a lot to do with that whole Denver case back in the day
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I really dislike Lebron as a person and I do think he is a stat compiler at this point but, Lebron is more dominant basketball player. If a magical draft were to take place no one would pick Kobe over Lebron. But I still entertain channels like these for fun... however, trying to pass Kwame Brown's take on the matter as some kind of counter balance to Gilbert Arenas argument is just too silly. Keep trying to farm those clicks though, people will always put on those blinders when it comes to Kobe v Lebron.
I mean this guy ever since hus second video ever hss despised lebrons entire career 💀
@@solardxgamer1692 Making videos about why Kobe is better than Lebron has become its own genre at this point. I wonder what they will do when that argument falls out of fashion in a couple years? I've been alive a long time, I remember when it was Magic will always be better than MJ or Bird would always be better than Magic or whatever will never live up to whoever blah blah blah... it's the same argument over and over and over. It is in our nature. RUclipsrs like this know this and exploit it. In reality I bet this guy could care less, this all a charachter he's playing to get views. It's all BS.
Skap just give it up😂😂
Right lol he reaching hard
You're the best Skap you handled that debate well and fully exposed agent zero's integrity.