Gary Turner said ,,the GT pro freestyle tour and GT pro performer both could have the FS stamp or not! He said it only meant that the FS stamped frames were not made in usa,,the ones that don't have FS stamped are made in USA! So everyone screams about the FS stamp,,but really I'm happy my 88 pro performer does not have FS stamp!
Cool bikes, hope you ride them! Like the seat tube area on the yellow Performer, it looks cleaner, and like the 990 brakes on the chrome frame (but that internal gyro cable routing is nutty with the crazy cable bends!). Awesome comparison, thanks for posting!
Thank you I figured some beginners wouldn’t know what the difference was. When I got back into the hobby I didn’t know the difference at all until I started really looking at them. I ride some of my bikes but not all of them. I don’t want to draw attention to myself with these kids in my neighborhood
@@bmxtrashtalk6879 THANKS for the info. I'm an old man, but new to the BMX word. I never had a BMX as a kid. I like the GT pft team model(I learned about the PFTs watching this video, lol.) Recently I had a chance to buy an original 87 pft, but because I have not watched this video back then and didn't know that it was a good chance to get a bike I like, I missed the chance. the bike got sold..😮💨😮💨
In the summer of '87 I got a day glow pink PFTTM brand new in the box for $80. I have pics of me riding it on 12-25-1987. Unfortunately, it got stolen not long after.
In 1985 and 1986 a Performer and Pro Performer or World Tour, the frames were the same shape. 1987 the Pro Performer or Freestyle Tour got the new new frame design in full cromoly. 1987 Performers maintained the old frame design but were tri-moly, a mix of cromoly and mild steel. Production moved from Japan to Taiwan for Performers to save even more cost.
Can you tell me the difference between a 85 GT performer 85 GT pro performer 85 GT pro performer world tour Is it the parts the gyro an three piece crank?
@@BMF247 in 1985 all Performer frames, bars and seat posts were 4130 chromoly. The Performer had a straight seat post, race bars with race stem and spoke wheels. The Pro Performer and World Tour had laid back seat post and freestyle bars with freestyle mallet stem. Pro Performer had 6 spoke mag wheels and a SR Cosmo Lite crank. World Tour had 5 spoke mag wheels and an GT Power Disc and Sprocket. The gyro and 3 piece cranks were not available on a complete bike until 1987.
The 86 frames did differ from the 84/85 frames in that the head tube is pulled in 4 degrees. This made the 86 bikes less twitchy and better for ramps. The GT flatland pros preferred the 85 head tube angle so they used 85 bikes with 86 decals when touring.
@@bmxtrashtalk6879 your welcome I got a 1995 the year I was born GT performer When it arrives I’ll Make a Video For RUclips To see what Everyone Thinks got it for a good price also 🙏🏿✨🤞🏿🤝🏿🙏🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿❤️
Hey big dog you do me a favor since I believe you’d be in the know. In 92 what colors did gt offer? And by any chance do you recall the colors mach ones were available in 92 as well? Going to do something dif with a 92 Mach I believe
I don’t know off hand but when I’m building a bike from the catalog I would go on google which you can see the parts and color. Example type in 1992 Gt dyno catalog and flip through ever page until you find your bike.
Got the pro performer in chrome for Xmas in ‘88. While on Xmas school break I was at a friends house and decided to pull the rear brake cable out of the downtube. Could not get it back in and was scared I was gonna get in trouble. I ended up ordering new black Dia-Comp FS 883 Nippons because I didn’t like the center pull brakes. Sold the bike for $300 in the summer of ‘90 when I got my drivers license. What a fool
@@bmxtrashtalk6879 keep spreading the positivity. Absol love your channel. I have a few videos of my bikes too. Yours are nicer tho. I am all about the survivor bikes too. I ride all my bikes. Thanks again!
I really appreciate your comment. This hobby can be negative really fast especially about information and prices, that’s one of the reasons why I created this channel. I’ll check out your channel and subscribe to it.
If I had either one of those frames, I would definitely not sell them, and Iwould travel to get a Signature from the man himself Eddie (The Flying Banana) Fiola.. 👑
Question do all the Gt performers have either the 3 or 4 holes in the forks and rear frame? I guy is selling one and it doesn’t have any holes says it’s a 1983? Gt Performer
I have a video on a 88’ Vertigo/ Gt. It’s definitely a debate but it boiled down to 88’ Gt came with rims and 88’ vertigo came with mags from the factory. You can build it either way gt or vertigo. Actually that year some guys say the vertigo st was better than the performer. In the video where I talk about the 88’ vertigo/gt the guy that I traded told me it was a performer, that’s what I wanted and then I asked some BMX buddies and done some research and found out that it can go either way. For some weird reason gt made that year default to tell what’s what especially if you bought it second hand.
87,88,and 89 GT pro performer and pro freestyle tours had the exact same frame and forks. The only difference was the pro freestyle tour had better components. The regular performer was totally different for those years. Lower cost as well.
So the fs thing is because the 1987 gt PRO performers had no fs stamp and the gt pft or a gt pfttm have them and when I restore my bikes I try to find as authentic parts as possible. I have 1 and my dad has owned mine is Maui blue and it’s fully restored with original decals and everything is like 75% nos. His is dayglow pink with no decals and he did have it fully restored but he got one scratch on the handlebars and repainted it fully lol. And now it’s collecting dust. lol . I have one that’s restored completely even with og 3 piece gt cranks in the box from 1987. Also if it has no fs stamp it’s a pro performer not a pft. Also I think those bars are actuly performer bars not pft bars if u look they should have a stamp that says cromo if they don’t they aren’t gt pft bars lol
Yes they are performer bars I compared them to my 86’ performer bars. I love to hear stories about other guys bikes and that’s bad ass that your dad had a day glow pick gt.
I don’t agree with your statement. I have a survivor 1988 PFTTM in electric blue that is NOT FS stamped. I have a survivor 1988 PFT in chrome that I converted to a team model. It was also NOT stamped. In fact only one of mine was stamped with the abbreviation model, the 1990 Aggressor with an “A”. The FS stamp simple means Freestyle. Pro Performers in 1987-1988 are absolutely no different from the Pro Freestyle Tour or Team model when you strip them down to the bare metal. It’s all in the peripheral accessories and decals.
If anybody here is thinking about buying a new gt heritage 20” performer you want to replace the gyro, rims, and the entire brake system. I got mine and the drop outs on the frame are for 14mm and they have 3/8s female hubs on it with no conversion kit on it. When I built I took it to the skate park and the rear hub was just wobbling up and down on every quarter pipe and the brakes suck. They were not good and just throw them away. A 1987 gt performer is better that the new one.
Those bikes weigh a ton. They have a hefty price tag for you too. I don’t get it. Why not spend the money on a really nice new bike. You can get a carbon fiber race bike for as much as some of these bikes go for, and they are made of steel like really heavy steel.
In short the pft is full chromoly chromoly handlebars frame and fork. The cromo bars are stamped and the steel ones on the performer are not. Fork is built way better and the bottom tube is built more for freestyle.
Yeah they did it to both cuz I think the performer forks don’t have any cable routing on them and the pft freestyle forks do and they were welding them at bottom of the forks cuz they kept getting in the way of the fork standers
Doesn’t have to be the year, it’s just to show the new guys the difference between a Gt Performer and a Pro Freestyle Tour/ Team Model. A 1987 Performer and a 1988 Performer have very little difference. The 87 four holes on the drops outs and forks. The 88 Gt had the stamps on the fork and bologna cut frame is pretty much the same, they might have a little more differences be not much
Gary Turner said ,,the GT pro freestyle tour and GT pro performer both could have the FS stamp or not! He said it only meant that the FS stamped frames were not made in usa,,the ones that don't have FS stamped are made in USA! So everyone screams about the FS stamp,,but really I'm happy my 88 pro performer does not have FS stamp!
Nice thank you for the information
The PFT with the coin roll and S bend downtube its where it at!
Lovely rides man...class old school..thanks for posting🤘🤘
Your welcome
Cool bikes, hope you ride them! Like the seat tube area on the yellow Performer, it looks cleaner, and like the 990 brakes on the chrome frame (but that internal gyro cable routing is nutty with the crazy cable bends!). Awesome comparison, thanks for posting!
Thank you I figured some beginners wouldn’t know what the difference was. When I got back into the hobby I didn’t know the difference at all until I started really looking at them. I ride some of my bikes but not all of them. I don’t want to draw attention to myself with these kids in my neighborhood
@@bmxtrashtalk6879 THANKS for the info. I'm an old man, but new to the BMX word. I never had a BMX as a kid. I like the GT pft team model(I learned about the PFTs watching this video, lol.) Recently I had a chance to buy an original 87 pft, but because I have not watched this video back then and didn't know that it was a good chance to get a bike I like, I missed the chance. the bike got sold..😮💨😮💨
@@tonyvar4842 87’ pfts are out there but you might have to wait for a cheap one to come available
In the summer of '87 I got a day glow pink PFTTM brand new in the box for $80. I have pics of me riding it on 12-25-1987. Unfortunately, it got stolen not long after.
😳😳 Damn $80, the good oh days
You sound like Face off of Street beefs. 😂 Nice bikes dude! Thanks for the video
Thank you 😂😂
In 1985 and 1986 a Performer and Pro Performer or World Tour, the frames were the same shape. 1987 the Pro Performer or Freestyle Tour got the new new frame design in full cromoly. 1987 Performers maintained the old frame design but were tri-moly, a mix of cromoly and mild steel. Production moved from Japan to Taiwan for Performers to save even more cost.
Great information thank you
Can you tell me the difference between a
85 GT performer
85 GT pro performer
85 GT pro performer world tour
Is it the parts the gyro an three piece crank?
@@BMF247 in 1985 all Performer frames, bars and seat posts were 4130 chromoly. The Performer had a straight seat post, race bars with race stem and spoke wheels. The Pro Performer and World Tour had laid back seat post and freestyle bars with freestyle mallet stem. Pro Performer had 6 spoke mag wheels and a SR Cosmo Lite crank. World Tour had 5 spoke mag wheels and an GT Power Disc and Sprocket. The gyro and 3 piece cranks were not available on a complete bike until 1987.
@@jmecmore thanks man I appreciate that info
The 86 frames did differ from the 84/85 frames in that the head tube is pulled in 4 degrees. This made the 86 bikes less twitchy and better for ramps. The GT flatland pros preferred the 85 head tube angle so they used 85 bikes with 86 decals when touring.
Love chrome...and the cool shape.
Awesome video. Awesome bikes 👍👍
Thank you
Great content I’m subscribing
Thank you
@@bmxtrashtalk6879 your welcome I got a 1995 the year I was born GT performer When it arrives I’ll Make a Video For RUclips To see what Everyone Thinks got it for a good price also 🙏🏿✨🤞🏿🤝🏿🙏🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿❤️
I love bikes it’s a deep passion
@@Balloutmane11 nice definitely take a video of it, let me know when you post the video
@@Balloutmane11 I agree I love the hunt and it’s something I can pass on to my kids
Hey big dog you do me a favor since I believe you’d be in the know. In 92 what colors did gt offer? And by any chance do you recall the colors mach ones were available in 92 as well? Going to do something dif with a 92 Mach I believe
I don’t know off hand but when I’m building a bike from the catalog I would go on google which you can see the parts and color. Example type in 1992 Gt dyno catalog and flip through ever page until you find your bike.
Both graal, gratz man :)
Thank you
Is there a Josh White version of that FS? Asking for obvious reasons.
I have no idea
Got the pro performer in chrome for Xmas in ‘88. While on Xmas school break I was at a friends house and decided to pull the rear brake cable out of the downtube. Could not get it back in and was scared I was gonna get in trouble. I ended up ordering new black Dia-Comp FS 883 Nippons because I didn’t like the center pull brakes. Sold the bike for $300 in the summer of ‘90 when I got my drivers license. What a fool
Dang those chrome 88’ don’t really come up for sale anymore either. I have no idea what I did with my child hood bikes, knowing me I gave them away.
Cool video, man. Nice bikes!
Thank you
@@bmxtrashtalk6879 keep spreading the positivity. Absol love your channel. I have a few videos of my bikes too. Yours are nicer tho. I am all about the survivor bikes too. I ride all my bikes. Thanks again!
I really appreciate your comment. This hobby can be negative really fast especially about information and prices, that’s one of the reasons why I created this channel. I’ll check out your channel and subscribe to it.
@@bmxtrashtalk6879 thank you!
If I had either one of those frames, I would definitely not sell them, and Iwould travel to get a Signature from the man himself Eddie (The Flying Banana) Fiola.. 👑
That’s what a buddy of mine wanted to do with the yellow performer.
They changed the frame in 1987 went back to older style in 90/91 the actual difference is the components
Question do all the Gt performers have either the 3 or 4 holes in the forks and rear frame? I guy is selling one and it doesn’t have any holes says it’s a 1983? Gt Performer
Hey man how can I tell the difference between a GT VERTIGO vs 88 GT PERFORMER bc they both don't have holes an both have the brake cable clamps
I have a video on a 88’ Vertigo/ Gt. It’s definitely a debate but it boiled down to 88’ Gt came with rims and 88’ vertigo came with mags from the factory. You can build it either way gt or vertigo. Actually that year some guys say the vertigo st was better than the performer. In the video where I talk about the 88’ vertigo/gt the guy that I traded told me it was a performer, that’s what I wanted and then I asked some BMX buddies and done some research and found out that it can go either way. For some weird reason gt made that year default to tell what’s what especially if you bought it second hand.
@@bmxtrashtalk6879thank you for the info. I thought you had a video on it but I couldn't find it
Coin roll is on the PFT, the performer has the bologna cut...bologna cut is the angled slice
Thank you for the information
the 1985 gt pro performer dayglo pink is the most desired gt bike that gt produce, race or freestyle. the pro performer was the top of their line.
Thank you for the information
Day glo pink gt performer for me thanks
I have a 88 pro performer all original and the frame has the bologna cut frame. What’s up with that
88’ pro performer’s came with the bologna cut
87,88,and 89 GT pro performer and pro freestyle tours had the exact same frame and forks. The only difference was the pro freestyle tour had better components. The regular performer was totally different for those years. Lower cost as well.
Yeah big money .. in that gamea1
Yeah it can get expensive real fast, but the turn on some of these bikes are great if your patient
You looking to sell that performer?
I already sold the performer
So the fs thing is because the 1987 gt PRO performers had no fs stamp and the gt pft or a gt pfttm have them and when I restore my bikes I try to find as authentic parts as possible. I have 1 and my dad has owned mine is Maui blue and it’s fully restored with original decals and everything is like 75% nos. His is dayglow pink with no decals and he did have it fully restored but he got one scratch on the handlebars and repainted it fully lol. And now it’s collecting dust. lol . I have one that’s restored completely even with og 3 piece gt cranks in the box from 1987. Also if it has no fs stamp it’s a pro performer not a pft. Also I think those bars are actuly performer bars not pft bars if u look they should have a stamp that says cromo if they don’t they aren’t gt pft bars lol
Yes they are performer bars I compared them to my 86’ performer bars. I love to hear stories about other guys bikes and that’s bad ass that your dad had a day glow pick gt.
I don’t agree with your statement. I have a survivor 1988 PFTTM in electric blue that is NOT FS stamped. I have a survivor 1988 PFT in chrome that I converted to a team model. It was also NOT stamped. In fact only one of mine was stamped with the abbreviation model, the 1990 Aggressor with an “A”. The FS stamp simple means Freestyle. Pro Performers in 1987-1988 are absolutely no different from the Pro Freestyle Tour or Team model when you strip them down to the bare metal. It’s all in the peripheral accessories and decals.
Nice oldschool gt bmx
Thank you
If anybody here is thinking about buying a new gt heritage 20” performer you want to replace the gyro, rims, and the entire brake system. I got mine and the drop outs on the frame are for 14mm and they have 3/8s female hubs on it with no conversion kit on it. When I built I took it to the skate park and the rear hub was just wobbling up and down on every quarter pipe and the brakes suck. They were not good and just throw them away. A 1987 gt performer is better that the new one.
Good information thank you
I have a 90 gt pro roll freestyle the original owner garage sale
Damn your lucky I have never found any bikes at a garage sale.
If the serial numbers are on the crank the bike is not from Japan.
Good information
Rich kid bikes
I have to disagree with you on the price
Those bikes weigh a ton. They have a hefty price tag for you too. I don’t get it. Why not spend the money on a really nice new bike. You can get a carbon fiber race bike for as much as some of these bikes go for, and they are made of steel like really heavy steel.
In short the pft is full chromoly chromoly handlebars frame and fork. The cromo bars are stamped and the steel ones on the performer are not. Fork is built way better and the bottom tube is built more for freestyle.
Thank for this information
Also one thing to note is that in the 80s a bunch of bike shops were welding cable routes on the forks so watch out
Damn for the pft or the performer or both? Are cable routes the brake line holes on the forks?
Yeah they did it to both cuz I think the performer forks don’t have any cable routing on them and the pft freestyle forks do and they were welding them at bottom of the forks cuz they kept getting in the way of the fork standers
And yes the cable routes are the little o shaped things for the cables
Theyre not even the same years.
Doesn’t have to be the year, it’s just to show the new guys the difference between a Gt Performer and a Pro Freestyle Tour/ Team Model. A 1987 Performer and a 1988 Performer have very little difference. The 87 four holes on the drops outs and forks. The 88 Gt had the stamps on the fork and bologna cut frame is pretty much the same, they might have a little more differences be not much