Cool video, the e36 chassis is one of my favorites. Some things I learned over the years that you already know but for the beginners watching.. - If you know the road and are good at driving, a bone stock fiesta can be competitive. Spend money on seat time pushing yourself at HPDE track days over that super sweet carbon hood yo. - When you start modding your car, be aware that canyons usually aren't as smooth as a racetrack. Though your car may look cool with it slammed on some hella flush fitted wheels, most likely it will handle like dog shit. Besides your car bottoming out, your suspension geometry will be thrown out of whack. So don't go too low and get some modified knuckles that lower the ball joint position. Then you won't be fighting your steering wheel like it owes you money when you drive over bumps at maximum attack. - If someone faster comes up behind you, let them by instead of getting salty because you're slow. We were all slow at one point. No shame in letting a faster driver by. - On a lot of the roads, people live there. There are kids playing close by. Don't go driving like you're Sabastien Loeb when it's 6'oclock in the afternoon. You're going to get someone killed. Save driving hard in the canyons for midnight to 5 am. Then WHEN you crash, you only kill/hurt yourself, and not some innocent person that could be someone's mother or daughter. -If you want to be fast, just know that it takes hundreds of hours of seat time and most likely, lots of crashes and cars. Don't be in a hurry. Relax and work on being smooth. Learn how to hold your momentum in a slow car. Then when you finally can afford a fast car, you will actually be able to drive it. Most of the time up there, it's middle-class locals in stock to mildly tuned miatas, integras, 350zs and VWs absolutely smoking high dollar, high horsepower, rich kids. So next time you and your friends make fun of the guy at the meet because his car has 135 whp, mismatched paint and his bumper is dented in, keep in mind that he may very well be able to embarrass you in your Supra.
Having not attended actual driving classes and figured out driving from my own experience (plus prior basic knowledge from sim games), I learned a lot of these things in this video myself- I sort of use the leaning sensations as a gauge of lateral forces, and I use the steering, brakes, and throttle to balance the car and keep everything smooth and have learned to pick up tire activity through all of my senses, whether it be the sound of the tires, a visual difference between the car’s angle and the steering wheel, or the vibrations through the floor/pulls on the steering wheel
Great tips, I would like to add to ride with someone who’s already fast. That removes some of the fear of going faster and let’s you know where the limit is on some corners
Fear is usually lack of knowledge. You gotta build up to it. Best thing is to find an opportunity to experiment that turn safely. Don't push too hard if you're afraid but following someone else or a ride along are always good. Hope you'll find someone to ride along with.
this video was such a breath of fresh air. thank you for setting a proper example for the new people to the scene, I hope a lot of these newbies come across this video.
I came here to crap on your video. That said, solid advice, a mini-racing school. Well done. This is from a now 78 year old former Angeles Crest canyon racer on both bikes and cars and a Bondurant School attendee who still drives a 440 RWHP '68 Camaro 6 speed..
Awesome man! Yeah I'm just trying to keep the young bloods safe. As long as curvy roads exist, there will always be canyon drivers. I've seen too many fatalities at our local pass, so just trying to spread the word
Before you go hard on any mountain road, one should at least do a two-pass recce to get familiar with the course. In my opinion, crashes happen when people go hard without any prior recce whatsoever, and that is a recipe for disaster.
Great video! I have a 2020 AMG GTR and where I live folks come up here in the mtns in California to play- Dude always fly up wanting to play but I never oblige too many novices up here people crossing yellow line (as you discussed) Thank you for being common sense and smart about this I have seen way too many fine but not bright people ruin their lives here up here. The biggest issue we see is with the redwoods and stuff my neighbors coming out of driveways on back side of a turn more than a few REALLY bad accidents when someone is way to fast around a turn and they run in to someone. A guy on a Ducati hit my wife in the rear once. flying around a turn and she was getting up to speed. He didn't know how to manage his bike and couldn't slow down.
There are some canyon roads in cali that are extremely residential (houses, driveways, bikes, etc) and i've seen plenty of people not being too smart about this
Love the video and tips. Best thing that cut my lap times on the touge was proper throttle control, a lot of people (including me) hit the gas out of turns or hairpins way too late, once I fixed that I cut seconds off my runs
Don't drive on the limit on public roads this is what tracks are for, you can drive sporty but don't drive on the limit One more tip, you can use Google maps to roughly judge what kind of corners are coming up, like a mini map in games
Bro do you feel like you e36 is still competitive against more modern cars like a wrx or an 86? Not bashing just asking . I love the older beemers and thinking about getting an e36.
Depends on what you do to it, just some basic suspension modifications I can keep up with any car in the canyons. Now that I'm supercharged I can blow both those cars away
Great question! Vertical seating position with your elbows bent at a 90 degree angle. That gives you the most leverage on the wheel. Look at purpose built race cars, the steering wheel is very close to the driver
@@CanyonTuned safety is important too, if u dont have a harness with helmet and hans, then ur probably relying on the airbags. so make sure ur positioned in a way that the airbag is still effective. unless ur like me and ur logic is "well my road has fat trees on both sides so if i crash i should try to die as quickly and painlessly as possible" lol
The wrist should touch the top of the steering wheel without hunching the shoulder. If the wheel is too close your wrist will jam at the bottom,too far and you're disconnected from the car. With a no retractable harness you should have a fist turned sideways space between the strap and your sternum. Too tight and you can't check over the shoulder at intersections. Feet should be able to fully depress the clutch and knees shouldn't hit the steering column.
Tire Pressure (coldest environment possible) Engine Oil Levels Coolant Levels Power Steering Fluids Tire Health/Alignment Window Clarity and Fog Resistance Wiper Blade Quality Driving Position Car Repair Tools First Aid Kit Community Notice Boards Red Light/Speed Camera Locations Sleep Quality Head Space and Mental Course Familiarity 2am-4am Saturday/Sunday (with high beams) Weather Reports Current license details such as home address. No/Low Chill Music. Windows Down Enough to Hear Your Engine and Tires. *I use My Maps by Google to plot familiar race routes and speed camera locations and have it on my dash.
is this az group still a thing? trying to learn and dont know any good canyons besides tortilla flats and also want to join a touge group to increase my experience! all these tips are new stuff thatll def help me out
if you watch real touge driving they do things pretty snappy sometimes and almost look like they're battling to keep it controlled the whole time yanking the steering around but you definitely shouldn't be doing that on a public road
The sudden corrections are usually fighting at the absolute edge of grip. We don't have roads like that in the US, maybe Cali where the roads lead to a dead end
I thought this was faze rug at first glance..
Nahhhhh 😭😭😭 this has my dyinggg
that was my first thought
😂😂 same
Just saw this video for the first time and same 😭😭😭
Cool video, the e36 chassis is one of my favorites. Some things I learned over the years that you already know but for the beginners watching..
- If you know the road and are good at driving, a bone stock fiesta can be competitive. Spend money on seat time pushing yourself at HPDE track days over that super sweet carbon hood yo.
- When you start modding your car, be aware that canyons usually aren't as smooth as a racetrack. Though your car may look cool with it slammed on some hella flush fitted wheels, most likely it will handle like dog shit. Besides your car bottoming out, your suspension geometry will be thrown out of whack. So don't go too low and get some modified knuckles that lower the ball joint position. Then you won't be fighting your steering wheel like it owes you money when you drive over bumps at maximum attack.
- If someone faster comes up behind you, let them by instead of getting salty because you're slow. We were all slow at one point. No shame in letting a faster driver by.
- On a lot of the roads, people live there. There are kids playing close by. Don't go driving like you're Sabastien Loeb when it's 6'oclock in the afternoon. You're going to get someone killed. Save driving hard in the canyons for midnight to 5 am. Then WHEN you crash, you only kill/hurt yourself, and not some innocent person that could be someone's mother or daughter.
-If you want to be fast, just know that it takes hundreds of hours of seat time and most likely, lots of crashes and cars. Don't be in a hurry. Relax and work on being smooth. Learn how to hold your momentum in a slow car. Then when you finally can afford a fast car, you will actually be able to drive it. Most of the time up there, it's middle-class locals in stock to mildly tuned miatas, integras, 350zs and VWs absolutely smoking high dollar, high horsepower, rich kids. So next time you and your friends make fun of the guy at the meet because his car has 135 whp, mismatched paint and his bumper is dented in, keep in mind that he may very well be able to embarrass you in your Supra.
Having not attended actual driving classes and figured out driving from my own experience (plus prior basic knowledge from sim games), I learned a lot of these things in this video myself-
I sort of use the leaning sensations as a gauge of lateral forces, and I use the steering, brakes, and throttle to balance the car and keep everything smooth and have learned to pick up tire activity through all of my senses, whether it be the sound of the tires, a visual difference between the car’s angle and the steering wheel, or the vibrations through the floor/pulls on the steering wheel
Great tips, I would like to add to ride with someone who’s already fast. That removes some of the fear of going faster and let’s you know where the limit is on some corners
I totally agree! Letting someone drive your car too who's skilled will help you understand where the limits are too
@@CanyonTuned agree also if they’re experienced enough they’ll let you know what adjustments to make to the car or what upgrades to do as well
@@Nes2303 Yup! I'm actually thinking about doing a "Top 10 mods" video soon as well
Fear is usually lack of knowledge. You gotta build up to it. Best thing is to find an opportunity to experiment that turn safely. Don't push too hard if you're afraid but following someone else or a ride along are always good. Hope you'll find someone to ride along with.
this video was such a breath of fresh air. thank you for setting a proper example for the new people to the scene, I hope a lot of these newbies come across this video.
Of course!
As a person who just got a standard after not driving one for 7+ years, this helped a lot. Thanks. Sweet videos btw.
Glad I could help! I'll probably doing more educational videos in the future
I came here to crap on your video. That said, solid advice, a mini-racing school. Well done. This is from a now 78 year old former Angeles Crest canyon racer on both bikes and cars and a Bondurant School attendee who still drives a 440 RWHP '68 Camaro 6 speed..
Awesome man! Yeah I'm just trying to keep the young bloods safe. As long as curvy roads exist, there will always be canyon drivers. I've seen too many fatalities at our local pass, so just trying to spread the word
Before you go hard on any mountain road, one should at least do a two-pass recce to get familiar with the course. In my opinion, crashes happen when people go hard without any prior recce whatsoever, and that is a recipe for disaster.
Yup I see this all the time in my area. 99% of the people that crash it's their first time on the road.
Great video! I have a 2020 AMG GTR and where I live folks come up here in the mtns in California to play- Dude always fly up wanting to play but I never oblige too many novices up here people crossing yellow line (as you discussed) Thank you for being common sense and smart about this I have seen way too many fine but not bright people ruin their lives here up here. The biggest issue we see is with the redwoods and stuff my neighbors coming out of driveways on back side of a turn more than a few REALLY bad accidents when someone is way to fast around a turn and they run in to someone. A guy on a Ducati hit my wife in the rear once. flying around a turn and she was getting up to speed. He didn't know how to manage his bike and couldn't slow down.
There are some canyon roads in cali that are extremely residential (houses, driveways, bikes, etc) and i've seen plenty of people not being too smart about this
Love the video and tips. Best thing that cut my lap times on the touge was proper throttle control, a lot of people (including me) hit the gas out of turns or hairpins way too late, once I fixed that I cut seconds off my runs
Don't drive on the limit on public roads this is what tracks are for, you can drive sporty but don't drive on the limit
One more tip, you can use Google maps to roughly judge what kind of corners are coming up, like a mini map in games
Agreed, I've seen way to many people drive 10/10ths on public roads. It never ends well for them
You may be a policeman about things, but that’s the type of person you need in the group.
This guys a safe driver
Imagine driving by this guy and seeing him taking to himself with no hands on the wheel lmao (great video tho)
Or a gopro strapped to my forehead for POV videos lol I defiantly get looks sometimes, but it's all for the youtubes
Bro do you feel like you e36 is still competitive against more modern cars like a wrx or an 86? Not bashing just asking . I love the older beemers and thinking about getting an e36.
Depends on what you do to it, just some basic suspension modifications I can keep up with any car in the canyons. Now that I'm supercharged I can blow both those cars away
@@CanyonTuned yeah thats good to hear im really interested in suspension mods for now. Thanks 👍🏽
do you have tips for seating position?
Great question! Vertical seating position with your elbows bent at a 90 degree angle. That gives you the most leverage on the wheel. Look at purpose built race cars, the steering wheel is very close to the driver
@@CanyonTuned safety is important too, if u dont have a harness with helmet and hans, then ur probably relying on the airbags. so make sure ur positioned in a way that the airbag is still effective. unless ur like me and ur logic is "well my road has fat trees on both sides so if i crash i should try to die as quickly and painlessly as possible" lol
The wrist should touch the top of the steering wheel without hunching the shoulder.
If the wheel is too close your wrist will jam at the bottom,too far and you're disconnected from the car.
With a no retractable harness you should have a fist turned sideways space between the strap and your sternum.
Too tight and you can't check over the shoulder at intersections.
Feet should be able to fully depress the clutch and knees shouldn't hit the steering column.
Nice in the e36 ! I drive my e46 in the canyons shit is responsive asf
I have an e46 M3 as well, great cars
I was promised to become a touge master after watching this video. I want my money back 😅
Hey that's on you 😂
Good tips 👌🏽
Tire Pressure (coldest environment possible)
Engine Oil Levels
Coolant Levels
Power Steering Fluids
Tire Health/Alignment
Window Clarity and Fog Resistance
Wiper Blade Quality
Driving Position
Car Repair Tools
First Aid Kit
Community Notice Boards
Red Light/Speed Camera Locations
Sleep Quality
Head Space and Mental
Course Familiarity
2am-4am Saturday/Sunday (with high beams)
Weather Reports
Current license details such as home address.
No/Low Chill Music.
Windows Down Enough to Hear Your Engine and Tires.
*I use My Maps by Google to plot familiar race routes and speed camera locations and have it on my dash.
What road is this And do you have any meets going on the second week of October I'll be in phoenix
Can't disclose for legal reasons. Also meets are pretty wack in Phoenix honestly
Pro tip if you are unsure about the coming corners direction look at the trees behind the corner☺️
That's true but I don't have any trees in my area lol
Power lines can help sometimes. GPS also!!
is this az group still a thing? trying to learn and dont know any good canyons besides tortilla flats and also want to join a touge group to increase my experience! all these tips are new stuff thatll def help me out
We're not an organized group or anything. Feel free to reach out on Instagram
@@CanyonTuned awesome! whats the ig?
Scope out the area see how the roads are make sure your cars good too 🤙🏽
Very true!
if you watch real touge driving they do things pretty snappy sometimes and almost look like they're battling to keep it controlled the whole time yanking the steering around but you definitely shouldn't be doing that on a public road
The sudden corrections are usually fighting at the absolute edge of grip. We don't have roads like that in the US, maybe Cali where the roads lead to a dead end
Touge group...arizona...how many s chassis?
I haven't seen any. Those guys all drift at the track. No canyon driving
REAL SHIT
faze rug?
Everyone keeps saying that 😂
Anyone else see FAZE RUG? 👀 🤔 🤣
Everyone says that now 😂
@Canyon Tuned lol nice video man. 🤝
Step one, buy an Evo! Lol
Is this faze rug ?
Yes
Hey, hows about you dont tell me how to drive. If i wanna drive on flat tires with bad oil that's my prerogative lol
Flat tires have the most grip 😂
pretty sure i know you nice vid
Just say vanishing point.
Nice out of context rambling