I'm waiting for this guy to come up with his own product line of outdoors equipment. I will scrap all my stuff and buy all new from him. Because i know it will be the best of the best in the market.
I think most small, true camping manufacturers, come into the business to make amazing gear. Then reality hits and profit margins need to be met and shipping increases and supply line contracts change, etc... In the end, you have to make a profit.
I agree with you and was thinking the same thing The other night when I was watching a survival video. He was using mylar and said how lousy and flimsy it was. He definitely needs to create his own line of survival products and regular products.
Because of a permanent disability, I'm sadly unlikely to go camping again. But I wanted to say this is a brilliant, unbiased and hugely informative channel for anyone whether buying their first tent, planning a hike, buying a camp-van or just generally love being outdoors. Luke and Susie have clear expertise yet understand the layman's needs. And their channel has stood the tests of time and corporate incentives. They are the real deal, love their beautiful natural environment and there's lots if fun in there too. Wishing you both well, and highly recommending this channel to everyone who wants to venture outdoors for a short hike or the long haul. Well done Luke and Susie👍🏆🌳🍁🌵🌿🌲
Sounds like it should have been marketed as a sweat lodge. Food for thought: I'd love to see a top 5 or top 10 list of tents at different price points. Like a budget, mid priced, higher end, & elite level. Maybe both for 3 & true 4 season tents.
Second this. I trust Luke's reviews enough where a top 10 would be awesome. Love the reviews explaining why something might be great but sometimes I just want a quick answer.
If you've watched this channel for any length of time, you'll notice that recommendations are constantly changing due to new product introductions and improvements to existing lines. The top 10 would just be for a point in time subject to change - sometimes frequent changes.
@@FictionWeLiveIn He aint giving a short answer to have a full content for a video(10min+). Plus He is always repeating and teaching what to look for which should help new viewers and total beginer with camping gears without having to back watch previous episodes.
you know it is a bit impressive that they somehow managed to make sure it is deadly hot inside the tent in the summer yet still made is not have condensation as an issue lol
This tent reminds me of a four season Walmart tent I purchased a few years ago for $50 (even to the color; we call it the “mustard blind”). After a test night in the backyard it was waterproofed and had tie outs added for minimal cost (about $30 and a couple hours work) to become a good four season tent. At the price of this tent that should already have been done.
I feel like this tent was intended to be high end, and the design was likely well intended, but those at the drawing board were not experienced in the outdoors. Its the only way I could explain the odd mix of impressive features and critical omissions.
The materials are fine, the structural elements forgot to be included, and no mesh windows, R&D may need to fire their lead, and probably will TOGR may have talked himself into a new job
So, did you contact the company and let them know that you did this review and to let them know what you think the flaws are? Maybe they will correct these problems.
Love your vids, even your past stuff. Also, have you ever considered buying a thermometer for checking temps inside the tents you try? I think that would be an awesome addition to your vids.
You are correct that this doesn't fit either a 3-season or 4-season tent. A couple of thoughts to add to your great review: 1. Good for winter/mountain conditions -- The bright, sunny fabric is responding to research that mountaineering tents need bright and sunny interiors to avoid depression and claustrophobic conditions. 2. Bad for winter/mountainconditions -- The tent is not long enough for actually spending days in the tent. I'm 75 inches tall, which is not extreme these days, and would be scraping my sleeping bag hood and feet on both ends, merrily gathering condensation on my bag. As always, thanks for reviewing this. I agree the features and price are not coherent with each other or the stated use.
I had the thruhiker 1p and really liked. I love the monolite inner fabric for colder UK conditions as it's draught free but I see your problem for hot USA conditions. Just thinking though isn't that 4 reflective loops around it that you can attach 4 guylines too ( rather than just being door hook tiebacks ?
Thanks, it has been a wonderful adventure. Even that ladder ride at the end. Glad you didn't get too hurt. I'm looking forward to what's next. We definitely need to see how well the chimney works out.
Pretty okay 3.5 season tent... not for extreme winter weather. But still I think because of the inner mesh it does hold the heat in pretty okay... But yes it should be thicker and for rest yes you are right with your reccommaditions..
On a dollar for dollar basis this tent would retail for well over $700 AU dollars (if you could buy it!). No thanks. There’s far better quality tents far cheaper here. Thanks for a great review Luke! 👍🇦🇺
Maybe not true. I think they were trying to create a very light weight tent that goes with four seasons. This is what they came up with. Now I would say that this tent was never field tested in each season to be rated as such.
It's like they cut so much corners to save weight. Lets make a 4 season tent! Yea it's gonna be great. We will have a mesh door on both sides with a second zip door to close that off when it's colder. Yea nah that's gonna make it too heavy. Okay then just 2 see through doors and no mesh. Lets shave of more weight and just loose the guylines. Smaller buckles for the fly to save a few grams. Great idea! And you end up with a frankenstein tent that's has basically lost all the original design intentions.
I think it's great that you review all these products sure sure some of these products The manufacturing companies might not like you but you are there for for everybody else you do a great job of explaining it explain it you just are excellent at helping people understand the product and your reviews and you don't get paid for that's a bonus so cute so keep up the great great work and Thank you
Another product the seems like its well designed and built, but it would seem like the designers never actually took this tent out and used it themselves. If they had, sunglasses would have come included or they would have chosen a different color.
I'm not poor, but I'm also not rich. $500.00 USD is outrageously expensive! Especially for what is offered for that price. Good initial review. Cheers from Winnipeg.
Thankyou both for the recommendation. Be done lots of research on them. Seems to be mixed reviews and poor CS. That’s great to hear, thanks. Will give them another look
Luke: Totally off topic. Water gathering. I just watched your post on your hike in Colorado. You got water and noted 'it was orange'. Your filter bag seems great, because when Susie was drinking, it looked clear. BUT: We just got back from Durango (and the train to Silverton). I noticed the stream water tho very cold was quite green. When at the Arches in Moab, I noticed many green rocks on the hillside (copper?). THE QUESTION IS: does your filter bag filter out minerals? Have you or Susie ever gotten sick from stream water? Thanks, your posts are always 'thumbs up' --- you are an inspiration.
The filter elements used for hiking aren't designed to remove dissolved solids, IE metal salts. The hollow fiber filters only remove particulates, such as silt and bacteria. Silt however will clog them pretty quick, requiring a backflush. However, there are some designs of backpacking filter which feature carbon element as well, which removes organic compounds and volatile chemicals, and some also contain an ion exchange resin element, functionally identical to what is used in tapwater filters. Those filters can take out dissolved solids, as long as the resin is kept renewed. If you're looking for a filter which removes dissolved solids, the key words are ion exchange resin and backpacking. The grayl geopress is a popular choice; it's highly rated by outdoor gear lab and I've seen it in plenty of gear lists and shakedowns. It's probably overkill if you hike mainly in areas with known good water, but if you can't be certain then a geopress or other exchange resin and aquamira are a great combo.
When hiking in my pack is 70 to 100 lbs my pack tent is 7.5 lbs it is also a 2.5 person I purchased it for me and my 70 lb dog I tested it this fall on a 5 day outing it did ok for wind & rain fr a $60 hiker tent I've purchased several styles of tents from wm and ot equipment no real issues yet.
Another excellent video review from Luke and the outdoor gear review channel!!!! Outstanding job. God bless!!! Chuck Knight from Buffalo, Texas. 🤠🐩🖖✝️🙏
That tent would be a good for use I. Early spring or later fall camping. The price is way to high!! $ 200.00 would be a real good deal 😎😎😎 Dennis from Delaware
I bought a Walmart 1 person tent that held up during a constant 12 hours of torrential rain and thunderstorms with no leaks straight out of the bag, nor chem treatment whatsoever and only paid 25.00 bucks tested on my back yard, and held up to winds also.
The fly should be separate and go over the top of those poles, and wrap around them inside with velcro so you can guy them out against the wind. That would solve the clip problem, and give extra strength for high wind or heavy snow. And, you have to have some big screened windows, at least, for more ventilation. Who ever heard of a tent without a mesh door that was meant for summer use? Preferred price point, for an all year 4 season tent: $350 to $375, if the quality is really that good... but keep the weight under 2 kilos. If you could just put the fly up (over the poles), without the main tent body, and sleep on a ground cloth ... like you just had a tarp ... that would explain how to use it in summer when it's hot, IF the bugs weren't too bad. But you're right. They put a lot of thought and effort into this tent, and still failed to test it out for actual use. None of them are campers?
Same shoes here, ventilators, 2nd pair. It took me 6 month to wear off the thread. At this point the mesh also started to give near the toes. Other then bad durability, they are very comfortable and functional for me. Also, in Poland, everything is with Gore-Tex. Basically we can either get those, or Merrell Moab Vents.
Nice review! At half the price i would definitely p/ u this tent. All the guy out problems can easily be remedied with zip ties, parachord, and a few stakes, cheap and lightweight and i would only use it 3 seasons. Weight and waterproof outweigh the remedy but not the price. Thx again!
semi freestanding means it requires stakes to retain the structure. freestanding means it doesn't require stakes to retain it's shape. no tent requires the vestibules to be staked out. it's always optional. but all tents that have them, have guy lines for them. and it's kinda easier to get around if you do. this tent is freestanding because it can maintain it's structure without any help from guy lines or being staked out in the corners.
Best guess on the design oddities is that it’s about the geography of S Korea. There are not a lot of high elevation, super windy, super cold places in S Korea. The highest point is in Jeju which is a volcanic island hundreds of miles off the coast. Most of the other high places are in the south which, at least when I was there in ~late fall, was still not that cold.
@@craigbigbee6395 I've been to Seoul in the winter so I know it's cold up north where the Army would be. My point was the high ground is all way south.
It is a very interesting tent that has made use of some good unused ideas. But with how it is, I think this tent is more suited for cave diving than anything else.
So, camping here in Korea isn't what you call camping. There's a reason this country is known as " The land of not quite right". Camping here is nothing more than hundreds of locals going to the local open areas, putting up a tent for sun/ nap shelter during their holidays off ( they get around 115 national paid holidays off each year) and they sit around and eat/ drink Soju with friends, then they pack up and go home when it gets dark. There are really no actual wilderness camping areas in the whole country.
When I did the El Camino trail in Spain in 2017 there were many South Koreans on the trail and they seemedI like avid hikers. I think some of the non hiking Koreans designed this tent.
Three basic tweaks might help the functionality of this tent: a small battery-operated box fan per person, a properly-sized tarp with plenty of tie-out points, and sufficient extra stakes. There is plenty of structure on the outside to carry a quality light weight tarp. Such a tarp would not only make the package stable in higher winds, but it would also help reduce internal glare from sunlight.
Agreed, James, but for the price of this particular tent, having to carry extra gear weight & jerry-rig a system to "make it work" really shouldn't be necessary.
I haven't been tent camping with my girl yet. She out of spontaneity...bought a Walmart 10 x 10 Ozark trail. OK OK don't hate her just yet. She means well.. what would you recommend in a 10 x 10 . Thankyou for your videos Luke
Hey Luke, have you seen the 3F ULGear TaiJi 2, it has a very similar design, but also tie outs on all poles and you can get it with a 3 or 4 season inner. Plus it's available in nice coyote brown. A little heavier but also half the price.
Seems to be a tent body which should be improved by the buyer. That fits to the ultralight scene which wants to choose the tent stakes etc. by itself. You can also add guy lines if you wish. If not, you safe those 2 gramms. That's why I think it comes with exactly what it needs to stand and everything else must be added.
Enjoyed your trip out here to Colorado immensely, but didn't watch in time to comment. This episode I've just started looks highly entertaining, as so often happens on TOGR.
Is that El Chaltén logo used on other products? It looks really familiar but I’m almost certain that I’ve never seen this tent before. I know I’ve seen it somewhere though. My searching only shows the village in Argentina, no gear.
New Korean companies will start off with crazy high prices to capitalise on the "new". Probably could pick it up at Namdaemun market in the fishing camping area, or the Seoul folk flea market for about $100. If you are going to Seoul those places have great deals on gear. Got what would be a $400 tent for about $50. Thanks for showing Hawk's bill mountain at the start. Miss the NC mountains.
Hi Luke, until you try it out in winter, there is no need for a negative review on the fourth season as you just don't know. Try it, it's almost time :-)
My first thought without it being said is it really looks like it is a hot tent and the material looks like it cannot breath. You mentioned it later in the video. The top vents look to high and would allow rain to enter in a light wind. The clips could be replaced with cordage and t knobs. $550.00? NOT!
I mostly trek with night temps 0-10C and I think this seems fine without strong winds. I realize people have far different requirements for a tent, but complaining about a winter tent that's hot when it's >27C seems a bit much. Of course, you can't treat an expensive tent like this the same as one a tenth the price; I just think this looks like it would be fine in winter conditions unless you're high in mountains.
I with you on this tent. But it makes me wonder about their seasonal climate over there and their translation abilities. Did they mean that it is just a winter tent in their country?
Wow they are 3/4 there, just needs a little more as you said Luke. I really hope the company sees this because its just a stitch away from a great tent.
On the frame is where you attach the lines to a Hilleberg Soulo, & its larger clone, the Naturehike Cloud Peak (& also the single-skin, smaller Naturehike Vik1). It might be what they intended in the design. But even if that part _was_ considered, the shortfall on so many other elements is just insane.
Can you do a test of the queshoua balck and fresh tent form the french brand decathlon ? It's the best seal her in north Africa , it's cheap it's durable , it's not light wight but I think it's worth it.
This is very similar to the Vaude Space L 3P. A copy steal somehow? Same openings, same vents, same shape. Mine Vaude is a mesh inner and a outer waterproof fabric. Look it up Luke😊
Wow dude. A tent like this gets ripped to shreds at the campground on the beach here when winds get to 20mph sustained 😂 I try to tell people sometimes they listen sometimes not. Mostly tourists, you'll see when the wind picks up out of nowhere, the dome shape collapses in on itself and poles rip to shreds under the force. It will get buried in sand over 10 inches high in a half hour. The dumpster is usually full of brand new broken (crappy) equipment that was just poorly designed or not up for the task it should have been made for.
I'm waiting for this guy to come up with his own product line of outdoors equipment. I will scrap all my stuff and buy all new from him. Because i know it will be the best of the best in the market.
But, he'd have to make it the best of the best, so.... Youd have to have the best of the best wallet
Definitely agree with you! Hoping for international shipping as well!
I think most small, true camping manufacturers, come into the business to make amazing gear. Then reality hits and profit margins need to be met and shipping increases and supply line contracts change, etc... In the end, you have to make a profit.
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You mean like Dan Durston?
I agree with you and was thinking the same thing The other night when I was watching a survival video. He was using mylar and said how lousy and flimsy it was. He definitely needs to create his own line of survival products and regular products.
Because of a permanent disability, I'm sadly unlikely to go camping again. But I wanted to say this is a brilliant, unbiased and hugely informative channel for anyone whether buying their first tent, planning a hike, buying a camp-van or just generally love being outdoors. Luke and Susie have clear expertise yet understand the layman's needs. And their channel has stood the tests of time and corporate incentives. They are the real deal, love their beautiful natural environment and there's lots if fun in there too. Wishing you both well, and highly recommending this channel to everyone who wants to venture outdoors for a short hike or the long haul. Well done Luke and Susie👍🏆🌳🍁🌵🌿🌲
Sounds like it should have been marketed as a sweat lodge.
Food for thought: I'd love to see a top 5 or top 10 list of tents at different price points. Like a budget, mid priced, higher end, & elite level. Maybe both for 3 & true 4 season tents.
They use them for their sweat lodge next to their sweat shop😆
Second this. I trust Luke's reviews enough where a top 10 would be awesome. Love the reviews explaining why something might be great but sometimes I just want a quick answer.
If you've watched this channel for any length of time, you'll notice that recommendations are constantly changing due to new product introductions and improvements to existing lines. The top 10 would just be for a point in time subject to change - sometimes frequent changes.
@@FictionWeLiveIn He aint giving a short answer to have a full content for a video(10min+).
Plus He is always repeating and teaching what to look for which should help new viewers and total beginer with camping gears without having to back watch previous episodes.
I f you are just an average weekend camper dont blow a bunch of money just go to walmart
Thank you for the shout-out! I've become addicted to your videos lol
you know it is a bit impressive that they somehow managed to make sure it is deadly hot inside the tent in the summer yet still made is not have condensation as an issue lol
This tent reminds me of a four season Walmart tent I purchased a few years ago for $50 (even to the color; we call it the “mustard blind”). After a test night in the backyard it was waterproofed and had tie outs added for minimal cost (about $30 and a couple hours work) to become a good four season tent. At the price of this tent that should already have been done.
Feels like they really wanted to make a good tent but didn't fully understand the needs in the market
I can see a version 2 or 3 being worth the money
I'm baffled as well. Even if they lowered the price, ALL the issues would have to be resolved for me to even consider it.
I feel like this tent was intended to be high end, and the design was likely well intended, but those at the drawing board were not experienced in the outdoors. Its the only way I could explain the odd mix of impressive features and critical omissions.
Yes! Engineers who have never used a tent designed this.
@@MrLangDog just like what happened with the sa80/L85...
...engineers working on something in a field they have no experience in
When brawn meets brain
The materials are fine, the structural elements forgot to be included, and no mesh windows, R&D may need to fire their lead, and probably will TOGR may have talked himself into a new job
What the someone has to back to the drawing board. That's why I love this channel first rate review with no BS great job Luke.
So, did you contact the company and let them know that you did this review and to let them know what you think the flaws are? Maybe they will correct these problems.
They see his review and usually send him a new test tent claiming it was a bad run and the tent they sent him is the real deal.
They make some improvements but certainly at an increase in price ! It's already overpriced for sure .
Luke has a lot of clout, companies who bother to check the ongoing consumer scuttlebutt always see his videos as high up on the first page of results.
Love your vids, even your past stuff.
Also, have you ever considered buying a thermometer for checking temps inside the tents you try? I think that would be an awesome addition to your vids.
Wow this is a great review your honesty is very much respected
You are correct that this doesn't fit either a 3-season or 4-season tent. A couple of thoughts to add to your great review:
1. Good for winter/mountain conditions -- The bright, sunny fabric is responding to research that mountaineering tents need bright and sunny interiors to avoid depression and claustrophobic conditions.
2. Bad for winter/mountainconditions -- The tent is not long enough for actually spending days in the tent. I'm 75 inches tall, which is not extreme these days, and would be scraping my sleeping bag hood and feet on both ends, merrily gathering condensation on my bag.
As always, thanks for reviewing this. I agree the features and price are not coherent with each other or the stated use.
If somebody ask you to go camping and they bring a half person with them…….RUN!!!
Lol .. a dog could be considered a half person, or maybe your pack? 😂
You’re spoiling the fun!
I had the thruhiker 1p and really liked. I love the monolite inner fabric for colder UK conditions as it's draught free but I see your problem for hot USA conditions. Just thinking though isn't that 4 reflective loops around it that you can attach 4 guylines too ( rather than just being door hook tiebacks ?
Thanks, it has been a wonderful adventure.
Even that ladder ride at the end. Glad you didn't get too hurt.
I'm looking forward to what's next. We definitely need to see how well the chimney works out.
Appreciate your honest reviews. A boat load of money for even the avid tent camper. Too many cons with this product!
Pretty okay 3.5 season tent... not for extreme winter weather. But still I think because of the inner mesh it does hold the heat in pretty okay... But yes it should be thicker and for rest yes you are right with your reccommaditions..
On a dollar for dollar basis this tent would retail for well over $700 AU dollars (if you could buy it!). No thanks. There’s far better quality tents far cheaper here. Thanks for a great review Luke! 👍🇦🇺
Designed by someone that has NEVER actually GONE camping!!!
Maybe not true. I think they were trying to create a very light weight tent that goes with four seasons. This is what they came up with. Now I would say that this tent was never field tested in each season to be rated as such.
It's like they cut so much corners to save weight. Lets make a 4 season tent! Yea it's gonna be great. We will have a mesh door on both sides with a second zip door to close that off when it's colder. Yea nah that's gonna make it too heavy. Okay then just 2 see through doors and no mesh. Lets shave of more weight and just loose the guylines. Smaller buckles for the fly to save a few grams. Great idea!
And you end up with a frankenstein tent that's has basically lost all the original design intentions.
"This Tent Will Kill you!" Cheers Luke
I think it's great that you review all these products sure sure some of these products The manufacturing companies might not like you but you are there for for everybody else you do a great job of explaining it explain it you just are excellent at helping people understand the product and your reviews and you don't get paid for that's a bonus so cute so keep up the great great work and Thank you
Another product the seems like its well designed and built, but it would seem like the designers never actually took this tent out and used it themselves. If they had, sunglasses would have come included or they would have chosen a different color.
I'm not poor, but I'm also not rich. $500.00 USD is outrageously expensive! Especially for what is offered for that price. Good initial review. Cheers from Winnipeg.
Yeah, you could get an MSR Hubba Hubba for that money.
Just insane.
Fly first is superior IMO. Lost of missed marks however. I’m shopping for a winter floorless tipi. Lots of options. Not sure where to start
I'd check out Luxe Hiking Gear. They make lots of tents like that
Luxe Minipeak XL with 1.5p winter inner.
Thankyou both for the recommendation. Be done lots of research on them. Seems to be mixed reviews and poor CS. That’s great to hear, thanks. Will give them another look
@@GuyonaMoose Poor CS from Luxe? Really?
Luke: Totally off topic. Water gathering. I just watched your post on your hike in Colorado. You got water and noted 'it was orange'. Your filter bag seems great, because when Susie was drinking, it looked clear. BUT: We just got back from Durango (and the train to Silverton). I noticed the stream water tho very cold was quite green. When at the Arches in Moab, I noticed many green rocks on the hillside (copper?). THE QUESTION IS: does your filter bag filter out minerals? Have you or Susie ever gotten sick from stream water? Thanks, your posts are always 'thumbs up' --- you are an inspiration.
The filter elements used for hiking aren't designed to remove dissolved solids, IE metal salts. The hollow fiber filters only remove particulates, such as silt and bacteria. Silt however will clog them pretty quick, requiring a backflush.
However, there are some designs of backpacking filter which feature carbon element as well, which removes organic compounds and volatile chemicals, and some also contain an ion exchange resin element, functionally identical to what is used in tapwater filters. Those filters can take out dissolved solids, as long as the resin is kept renewed.
If you're looking for a filter which removes dissolved solids, the key words are ion exchange resin and backpacking. The grayl geopress is a popular choice; it's highly rated by outdoor gear lab and I've seen it in plenty of gear lists and shakedowns.
It's probably overkill if you hike mainly in areas with known good water, but if you can't be certain then a geopress or other exchange resin and aquamira are a great combo.
When hiking in my pack is 70 to 100 lbs my pack tent is 7.5 lbs it is also a 2.5 person I purchased it for me and my 70 lb dog I tested it this fall on a 5 day outing it did ok for wind & rain fr a $60 hiker tent I've purchased several styles of tents from wm and ot equipment no real issues yet.
When I was at Joshua Tree, I had to set up my tent with no fly, but with heavy winds, I had to hunker it down by tying the guylines to the poles.
Lol, I had to use rocks and close all areas to stop sand blowing in. But still had a layer of sand inside.
This tent is supposed to be use in a Climent like Washington state has.
Another excellent video review from Luke and the outdoor gear review channel!!!! Outstanding job. God bless!!! Chuck Knight from Buffalo, Texas. 🤠🐩🖖✝️🙏
That tent would be a good for use I. Early spring or later fall camping. The price is way to high!! $ 200.00 would be a real good deal 😎😎😎
Dennis from Delaware
I bought a Walmart 1 person tent that held up during a constant 12 hours of torrential rain and thunderstorms with no leaks straight out of the bag, nor chem treatment whatsoever and only paid 25.00 bucks tested on my back yard, and held up to winds also.
The fly should be separate and go over the top of those poles, and wrap around them inside with velcro so you can guy them out against the wind. That would solve the clip problem, and give extra strength for high wind or heavy snow.
And, you have to have some big screened windows, at least, for more ventilation. Who ever heard of a tent without a mesh door that was meant for summer use? Preferred price point, for an all year 4 season tent: $350 to $375, if the quality is really that good... but keep the weight under 2 kilos.
If you could just put the fly up (over the poles), without the main tent body, and sleep on a ground cloth ... like you just had a tarp ... that would explain how to use it in summer when it's hot, IF the bugs weren't too bad.
But you're right. They put a lot of thought and effort into this tent, and still failed to test it out for actual use. None of them are campers?
Same shoes here, ventilators, 2nd pair. It took me 6 month to wear off the thread. At this point the mesh also started to give near the toes. Other then bad durability, they are very comfortable and functional for me. Also, in Poland, everything is with Gore-Tex. Basically we can either get those, or Merrell Moab Vents.
For that price, I expect indoor plumbing and wifi!
Nice review! At half the price i would definitely p/ u this tent. All the guy out problems can easily be remedied with zip ties, parachord, and a few stakes, cheap and lightweight and i would only use it 3 seasons. Weight and waterproof outweigh the remedy but not the price. Thx again!
semi freestanding means it requires stakes to retain the structure.
freestanding means it doesn't require stakes to retain it's shape.
no tent requires the vestibules to be staked out. it's always optional.
but all tents that have them, have guy lines for them. and it's kinda easier to get around if you do.
this tent is freestanding because it can maintain it's structure without any help from guy lines or being staked out in the corners.
Best guess on the design oddities is that it’s about the geography of S Korea. There are not a lot of high elevation, super windy, super cold places in S Korea. The highest point is in Jeju which is a volcanic island hundreds of miles off the coast. Most of the other high places are in the south which, at least when I was there in ~late fall, was still not that cold.
Spent a year there, Army.
Trust me, it gets bloody cold in winter....
@@craigbigbee6395 I've been to Seoul in the winter so I know it's cold up north where the Army would be. My point was the high ground is all way south.
It is a very interesting tent that has made use of some good unused ideas. But with how it is, I think this tent is more suited for cave diving than anything else.
So, camping here in Korea isn't what you call camping. There's a reason this country is known as " The land of not quite right".
Camping here is nothing more than hundreds of locals going to the local open areas, putting up a tent for sun/ nap shelter during their holidays off ( they get around 115 national paid holidays off each year) and they sit around and eat/ drink Soju with friends, then they pack up and go home when it gets dark.
There are really no actual wilderness camping areas in the whole country.
Thank you, local knowledge is valuable
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필리핀 , 한국을 서로 나눠 먹기 계약 한것과
2 차 대전후 미국 과 러시아가
한국과 독일을 1/2 로 나누기 계약한 것을 안다면
미국도 러시아 만큼
옳지 않은 나라 라는것은 알거야
물론 모든 미국인이 그렇지는 않다
바이든은 제외
Uk here. I could have a weekend in France for two, in a hotel for the cost of that tent ;)
When I did the El Camino trail in Spain in 2017 there were many South Koreans on the trail and they seemedI like avid hikers. I think some of the non hiking Koreans designed this tent.
Could the 4 seasons in Korea be the same?..I don't get it.
Three basic tweaks might help the functionality of this tent: a small battery-operated box fan per person, a properly-sized tarp with plenty of tie-out points, and sufficient extra stakes. There is plenty of structure on the outside to carry a quality light weight tarp. Such a tarp would not only make the package stable in higher winds, but it would also help reduce internal glare from sunlight.
Agreed, James, but for the price of this particular tent, having to carry extra gear weight & jerry-rig a system to "make it work" really shouldn't be necessary.
WOW That's truly an awesome price, it probably cooks breakfast as well
I haven't been tent camping with my girl yet. She out of spontaneity...bought a Walmart 10 x 10 Ozark trail. OK OK don't hate her just yet. She means well.. what would you recommend in a 10 x 10 . Thankyou for your videos Luke
Yeah, back to the drawing board. Did anyone working over there ever go camping themselves? I wonder. Great vid as always. Thank you.
Luke a tent with the same d dine and price is there one you would like to recommend
Hey Luke, have you seen the 3F ULGear TaiJi 2, it has a very similar design, but also tie outs on all poles and you can get it with a 3 or 4 season inner. Plus it's available in nice coyote brown. A little heavier but also half the price.
Seems to be a tent body which should be improved by the buyer. That fits to the ultralight scene which wants to choose the tent stakes etc. by itself. You can also add guy lines if you wish. If not, you safe those 2 gramms. That's why I think it comes with exactly what it needs to stand and everything else must be added.
Enjoyed your trip out here to Colorado immensely, but didn't watch in time to comment. This episode I've just started looks highly entertaining, as so often happens on TOGR.
Is that El Chaltén logo used on other products? It looks really familiar but I’m almost certain that I’ve never seen this tent before. I know I’ve seen it somewhere though. My searching only shows the village in Argentina, no gear.
Have you ever used a 6 moons tent before?
Good review Luke Thanks for sharing
Have you reviewed an air tent there's some backpacking airtemp out there have you reviewed any
How many doors does it have??
한국의 거의 모든 산에는 매일 등산객이 올라오고 백패커는 등산객에게 피해를 주지 않기 때문에 해가 질무렵 텐트를 치고 등산객이 올라오기 전에 텐트를 접습니다.
그런 이유로 빠른 피칭이 중요해서 아웃폴 방식의 텐트들을 많이 사용합니다.
You should look into the NearZero 2 person tent. Would love to hear your thoughts!
Thanks for the great tent reviews! This helps with being a beginner here. What would you recommend in a 2P tent for around $300-$500 please??
US or other $, friend?
Nemo hornet 2p is a great tent
@@matthewg7835, thanks, I’ve been looking at that one and the big Agnes tiger wall.
So we need massive testing in the winter for this one.
New Korean companies will start off with crazy high prices to capitalise on the "new". Probably could pick it up at Namdaemun market in the fishing camping area, or the Seoul folk flea market for about $100. If you are going to Seoul those places have great deals on gear. Got what would be a $400 tent for about $50.
Thanks for showing Hawk's bill mountain at the start. Miss the NC mountains.
Hi Luke, until you try it out in winter, there is no need for a negative review on the fourth season as you just don't know. Try it, it's almost time :-)
My first thought without it being said is it really looks like it is a hot tent and the material looks like it cannot breath. You mentioned it later in the video.
The top vents look to high and would allow rain to enter in a light wind.
The clips could be replaced with cordage and t knobs.
$550.00? NOT!
Any review of EXPED Orion II done or coming please?
The tent's name "El Chalten" implies it can withstand very strong wind. I do want to see the tent in very STRONG wind.
I found the new version has 4 guyline points and 10 stakes. Please check the changes in elchalten 2.5. However it is still expensive. I think.
Will you review the gazelle t4 overlanding edition tent
I mostly trek with night temps 0-10C and I think this seems fine without strong winds. I realize people have far different requirements for a tent, but complaining about a winter tent that's hot when it's >27C seems a bit much. Of course, you can't treat an expensive tent like this the same as one a tenth the price; I just think this looks like it would be fine in winter conditions unless you're high in mountains.
It's marketed as a 4-Season Tent! Not as a Winter Tent. Makes a difference.
I with you on this tent. But it makes me wonder about their seasonal climate over there and their translation abilities. Did they mean that it is just a winter tent in their country?
Ya, they could make this a really nice 3 season tent by just changing the inner to mesh... Will save weight and money and give them a great product
Have you done a featherstone tent from Amazon?
Thanks Luke! Quality tent cost. But this tent however has so many design flaws and therefore not worth the money.
How about a video on the Big Agnes copper spur HV - UL2 or UL3? And one other idea how about a top 10 tents of 2021 5 budget and 5 expensive?
Out of my price range!
Luke, it's why Korea is called "The land of the not quite right."
Excellent review Luke, thanks ⛺️
hi luke i love your new tent it's so cute!
Wow they are 3/4 there, just needs a little more as you said Luke. I really hope the company sees this because its just a stitch away from a great tent.
spring fall tent and that's a lot for a tent with so many issues
I suppose in a pinch you could use prussic knots to secure guy lines to the pole frames.
On the frame is where you attach the lines to a Hilleberg Soulo, & its larger clone, the Naturehike Cloud Peak (& also the single-skin, smaller Naturehike Vik1).
It might be what they intended in the design.
But even if that part _was_ considered, the shortfall on so many other elements is just insane.
Hi from Syracuse NY brother and thank you for sharing your thoughts and adventures and your family
Zerogram, the tent is literally made with negative mass. When you put it in your backpack, it becomes lighter! xD
Can you do a test of the queshoua balck and fresh tent form the french brand decathlon ?
It's the best seal her in north Africa , it's cheap it's durable , it's not light wight but I think it's worth it.
Almost 600 bucks?? Ouch. Thanks for buying this tent so I won't have to.
I'd want to more than like it for that price..... I take it you did this vid a while back goin by the weather, the company give you any feedback?
Is it really a quality tent with so many design issues?
This is very similar to the Vaude Space L 3P.
A copy steal somehow?
Same openings, same vents, same shape. Mine Vaude is a mesh inner and a outer waterproof fabric. Look it up Luke😊
...weird is good for Halloween..lol...good vid, have a good week..
Wow dude. A tent like this gets ripped to shreds at the campground on the beach here when winds get to 20mph sustained 😂 I try to tell people sometimes they listen sometimes not. Mostly tourists, you'll see when the wind picks up out of nowhere, the dome shape collapses in on itself and poles rip to shreds under the force. It will get buried in sand over 10 inches high in a half hour. The dumpster is usually full of brand new broken (crappy) equipment that was just poorly designed or not up for the task it should have been made for.
Good review as always. I wouldn't waste my $ on this tent, too many design flaws.
You must have just an abundance of tents. Lol what do you do with all of them?
10:24 Why did you wait to point at Susie until you said, "Even a dog,"???
😅😂🤣
I suppose the 4 season is somewhere tropical, where the winter over there is about 5-10 degree
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Cool tent and sleep bag 😎
Can you do a review of the Kelty all inn 2 person tent please?!
🙏⛪ Thank you for posting your video may God bless you and keep you safe 🙏✝⛪
It'd be great if someone made a 3/ 4 season tent with both types of zip in screens to change with the seasons.
Outstanding job on the details brother