i think it’s really amazing how he flipped the card upside down to put it into the case after paying attention to her fixing it. she didn’t have to verbally comment on it.
Yes I think they pick up on seeing things and copying (like monkeys) more than verbal explanations. Notice she never demonstrated what to do when she switched to the shape game, but she did demonstrate how to do it in the color game.
@@samedifference5504 Well, you clearly don't have much appreciation or understanding for cognition. What that kid does is amazing and as you can see by the likes on this comment, a lot of people agree. The kid figured that out that the woman wanted the cards face down without her telling him. Also, this experiment is really what's flawed here. There is no failure on the kids part. The woman just speaks in a boring and repetitive manner, and I don't blame the kid for tuning out. She also speaks fast with lots of words and when transitioning games, she didn't give much of a clear indication to the kid. Just some rambling that he paid little attention to.
@@21area21 I feel like a monkey would be easily able to start flipping the cards upside down. Also I didn't know more likes meant your comment was more valid. I shoulda mentioned Keanu reaves in my prior argument I guess.
@@lostpockets2227 If she showed emotion, it would have altered the child's decisions. The child would try to avoid the answers he thinks she would not want.
The kid didn't catch the different of "good job" and "ok", she said "ok" when he put the card in the wrong place and it make him super confused. I am sure if she corrected him once at the first time he got it wrong, he won't be wrong again. Kids follow adult's example and feedback rather than the instruction.
@@stelcxantisto That's just it. The purpose was to see what he would do, if he would adapt to the changed rules on his own, not to see if he could learn to do it over time. If I had to guess, she shouldn't have been saying, "Good job," at all during the experiment. Likely there was a script that she was supposed to follow exactly that made her seem robotic and she had to add to it for practical reasons just to keep kids engaged enough to finish.
Same. No wonder the kid tuned out her instructions. Clearly he is very smart to pick up on stuff like her desire to have him place cards face down, even without any instruction 0:41.
@@zarrowthehorse "Just mimicking" is completely neglecting the complexity of what's happening. My point is that the "mimicking" action requires understanding the rules of how to sort in order to do so.
Pretty much, she says the rules so many times that he stops ignoring them, so when they change, he's like RIGHT HEEEEEA and keeps on with the previous rules
its to see how the child responds to rule changes, does it understand the change or has the repeatance of the rule left a mark in the memory, its all about adaptation to the new game rules
@@kratos9524 I think Francisco's hypothesis is correct. After hearing the same phrase over and over again, the child stopped listening. Even adults do this. Instruction caching is a very effective optimisation in computing -- particularly so for complex instruction set architectures. 🙂
@@thebeetalls except later in the video she asked him to point out where trucks go and where flowers go in the shape game, and he correctly pointed the boxes out. So he didn't stop listening before the shape game explanation
@@thebeetalls yes. That means he was still listening, his brain was just not developed enough to overwrite the rules for the color game. Your observation doesn't invalidate what I said before
TRUE. but he's still a toddler. He wasn't paying attention anymore the color game was just engraved in the poor things memory. No wonder he stopped paying attention. I think we ALL stopped paying attention.
He clearly was not interested in the shape game. He would have left at the end of the color game if he hadn't been forced back into the seat. He even tried to bail on the shape game and had to be restrained by security lol
Children are just simple adults . Adults have this same thinking but with more layers on top. I do wonder if he would have done better if he had not been told the color game rules repetively. The real insight is where she calls the cards by both characteristics. Color was given priority.
"Down on the fucking ground!" "This is the hostage game. The hostages go out the door, and the terrorists stay inside. Where do the terrorists stay?" "Uhhh... Here?" "Good... and where do the hostages go?" "Out there..." "Great ^^. Buh-bye!"
No Name A reporter should also use this on Donald Trump: "Remember, in the popular vote game, the person with more votes wins and the person with fewer votes loses. Who would've won in 2016 in the popular vote game?"
It was interesting watching him second guess himself at some points. Like there were points where you could tell he sort of had the right idea about the shape game in his mind , but wanted confirmation, which he obviously didn't get, so it's just overridden and he just goes back to what he knows.
You're exactly right. He got disturbed enough by the weird game and weird acting person to leave and seek some reassurance, after which he got one right. Or, maybe that's us projecting. Ah, adult psychology xD
@@blissful4treesthey’ve done this stupid torture test for probably close to a century. Depending on age they force you to do some version of this if they do IQ test or challenge your mental cognition or whatever. I’ve had to do it several times before because they want to see if memory is ok with the whatever seizure drugs, or maybe whatever drugs/transplants in school just to see how I was doing. Luckily they shut up when you get to a certain age and you have to figure it out on your own later.
Darathu That’s what I was thinking too. The game was rigged anyway. She demonstrated the color game but not the shape game. He did not realize that anything had changed. Her voice is annoyingly the same no matter what.
@@panderzbananderz9320 he did realize since when asked when the trucks/flowers go in the shape game he pointed the right ones. The point is not to demonstrate but to let his abstract thinking do the work.
Exactly. He wanted confirmation cuz he had a feeling he was wrong but as she kept on saying okay he kept on going with the color game....notice how he always hesitates.
That feeling when you're stuck on a game tutorial but it's bugged and no matter how much you try you can't get past that one piece of dialogue saying "Oooh Kayyyhhh, remember we're playing the SHAPE GAME, remember flowers go HERE, and trucks go HERE"
He seems like he is very unsure of themselves when they start playing the shape game, but since he's never corrected, he keeps putting them in colours. He takes the "ok" to mean the same as good job. And he ignores the rules of the shape game because he has no attention span to listen to the rules every time.
Jacob Stevenson They're not trying to teach the kid, it's an experiment on child development. She's probably instructed to not make eye contact when he looks for validation as he puts the cards in. To not give any cues that he's doing it wrong, because they want to see his thought process, *not* the way he reacts to the adults.
Yeah, Christine is right. This is a controlled test with possibly dozen of children and quantifiable outcomes. Of course you could instruct the boy better and change sentences, tone of voice, change facial mimics or add more feedback to better "guide" his behaviour. However. That would skew the results if you want a general understanding of 3yr olds average development. You have to act the same for every child for the tests to be comparable.
@Jacob Stevenson Yeah. This should not be understood as a lesson, this is simply data gathering. The goal is not that children learn anything from this. They usually don't and it is sometimes even counterproductive to learning. It is not harmful though if the child is not tested every day...
it's interesting how when he thought he was playing tbe shape game wrong, he waited, maybe looking for a response from the tester, and when he got the same feedback as with the colour game, he assumed the outcomes are the same. I'm probably over-assuming.
@Darren Munsell Yeah but the goal isn't to see him learn through feedback. The goal is closer to demonstrating that he still hasn't acquired the capacity to make a Caesar salad but switch to a Niçoise when told to (provided he knew both recipes, the same way the child know what trucks, flowers, red and blue mean)
During the colour game, there was positive reinforcement for putting blue cards in the blue box. While in the shape game even when the boy put the correct shape in the correct box there was no positive reinforcement. I believe this could've impacted the results, Cheers.
I wish they would tell us their interpretation of this. He understands the rules of both games. But he won't do the second one. You can tell he keeps looking at her for a reaction if he's correct or not, and she knows that and isn't giving a reaction. So, is he actually confused by how to play the game, or is he testing her reaction and isn't liking that she won't tell him if he's right or wrong?
It's more like the routine of it that the kid gets used to I think When he stood up to leave and then sat back down , he got it right. After a while I feel like he's not even listening anymore
But Max does recognise that flowers and trucks are different shapes. At three years old, his brain is not developed enough to be flexible like ours, so when you give him a new rule, his brain cannot inhibit the old colour rule.
That's kinda the point in perseveration behavior within the DCCS task. After the dimensional rule switch is made, instructions may not be repeated, it would interfere with the measured behavior.
He had an example the first game, but no example the second game. This shows he does not trust the words he hears as much as his eyes with the rules shown to him as the first one is my guess.
[4:41] He can see right through her (mad face) 😒 "She's a witch!" _Generally, this test shows that visual stimulations are better developed than linguistic ones, at the age of 3._ It also shows, through its execution, that reward system and repetition is highly influencing the child's decision. Furthermore, within the visual observations, the child responds better on the color rather than the shape of the object. In addition, the child expects to play a game regardless of what the rules are or how it's called. So, it only pays attention to the first part of the 'game' which happens to be the color game. (+) Specifically this child seems to be easily bored [2:20] - He even admits to it [4:32] The point made by this test is interesting, non the less, biased. The (average) data needs to be combined with other test's (average) data for a more accurate conclusion. [ In which it was already done, in real life, by real scientists, a long time ago, in a galaxy far.. far away ] The child pays more attention on the word 'game' rather than the word 'shape' or 'color'. [ So what is actually expected of the child, the child is unaware ] The color game was played first, the shape game was played last. [ What about the reverse order? ] The color game was introduced with visual instructions from the 'Dealer' lady, while the shape game was not introduced visually. Both games were explained verbally. Visual pointers were present at every turn. The verbal explanations were mentioned every step of the game, yet the child did not pay attention to them. The verbal understanding of the child was briefly evaluated [3:58], confirming that it has full comprehension of what is verbally inferred in terms of language, but not its 'meaning'. The child did not get 'rewarded' when he got the shape correct [5:05] [ No Good job? ] OK No children were hurt, or damaged in any way because of this test. And we don't have to play the shame game. I am not a specialist. This is 'just' a youtube comment. I enjoy wasting my time, and so are you 🤨
She never explicitly told him he was doing it wrong and so negatively reinforced the game he was playing. So by the end the kid learned that he did everything correctly.
Her: Okay we are playing the SHAPE game. Can you tell me where the TRUCKS go? Him: Here? *points to the truck* Her: mhm and where the flowers go? Him: here: *points to flowers Her: Good. Here is a truck, where does it go? Him: FLOWER!
Her: Verbally says "Truck" Him: Points to image of truck Her: Presents image of a "Blue Truck" Him: Mind goes "BLUE! BLUE!" since colors provide more basic and immediate stimulus than shapes, and he places it in the Blue position. It's the visual that's confusing him. Is she held the image of the card toward herself and told the child it was a truck, and asked where it went, my guess is he would answer correctly. I'd like to see this experiment in reverse order.
Somehow I feel like if she'd said "no, no, no, is that really the right answer?" the first time he made the mistake in the shape game, he would've gotten it the rest of the way. You can see him hesitating the first few times when they switch to the shape game.
I think this too: he never realized he was wrong. The OK sounded to him exactly like the GOOD JOB, but it wasn't OK to fail. The thing I am not sure about is the end goal though: if the end goal is to put the child in a contradictory state, to stimulate his self-critique, than I would say that was the right thing to do, otherwise I am quite doubtful.
@@tommasobonvicini7114 Exactly! The difference in her response between when he got it right or wrong was almost undetectable, especially for such a young child. But he was clearly frustrated for the second half of the game. I think he knew something wasn't right.
Reminds me of when I was 7 or 8, I kept going down the water slide at the local pool backwards. When I got to the bottom, the life guard whistled and yelled a single word I couldn’t understand (probably because the rushing water sounds from being dunked in the pool). I continued to go down backwards many more times and she would blow the whistle once and yell that one word each time that I still couldn’t understand. It took me several times to realize she was whistling at me, but because she never scolded me, asked me not to go backwards, or even looked at me, I figured it was just a thing they did when people went down the slide backwards. Finally, after going down what seemed like 15+ times (backwards), she stopped me and said I wasn’t allowed to slide down the slide backwards. And I didn’t slide down the slide backwards after that. Slightly different, but still! Shows that kids really need clear boundaries and corrective action rather than passive reactions. I’m a vegan now and I could draw parallels there too, but I don’t wanna get too preachy, haha.
I like how the researcher didn't have any expressions and looked straight ahead as the kid was deciding where to place to card so as to not give any suggestions.
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i think it’s really amazing how he flipped the card upside down to put it into the case after paying attention to her fixing it. she didn’t have to verbally comment on it.
Yes I think they pick up on seeing things and copying (like monkeys) more than verbal explanations. Notice she never demonstrated what to do when she switched to the shape game, but she did demonstrate how to do it in the color game.
You are very easily amazed. I have some keys in my pocket, which look really cool when I jingle them around.
@@samedifference5504 Well, you clearly don't have much appreciation or understanding for cognition. What that kid does is amazing and as you can see by the likes on this comment, a lot of people agree. The kid figured that out that the woman wanted the cards face down without her telling him.
Also, this experiment is really what's flawed here. There is no failure on the kids part. The woman just speaks in a boring and repetitive manner, and I don't blame the kid for tuning out. She also speaks fast with lots of words and when transitioning games, she didn't give much of a clear indication to the kid. Just some rambling that he paid little attention to.
@@21area21 I feel like a monkey would be easily able to start flipping the cards upside down. Also I didn't know more likes meant your comment was more valid. I shoulda mentioned Keanu reaves in my prior argument I guess.
It would be amazing if she didn’t had to correct him and flip the cards for him 😏
Sorry, I’m still slightly unclear on the rules of the color game
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ReMemBer in tHe cOloR gAmE ReD oNeS go hEre anD blUe oNes Go HerE
I was going to the comments to find this lol
Ok i think i got it. Whats my name again?
Racial segregation
He will nevet forget the colour game, that shit scarred his brain for life.
Why? He was good at that game. He sucked in the shape game and even noticed it.
it doesnt help that the woman is totally dead face staring him in the eyes with no emotion whatsoever like wtf lady what is wrong with you??
@@lostpockets2227 If she showed emotion, it would have altered the child's decisions. The child would try to avoid the answers he thinks she would not want.
@@66LordLoss66 yeah, i noticed that, he seemed to look for something to confirm that he got the right answer
@@66LordLoss66 That's the point of the game. Listening for words and piecing them together.
Woman: we’re playing the shape game
Max: nah bish we playing the color game
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Lol 😂
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Ahahahahahahahaha
My My 😂😂😂
Remember we're playing the colour game
Remember we're playing the shape game
Could you please remind me where the red ones go and the blue ones go
Talking like an Oblivion NPC repeating the same voicelines over and over again
Red ones go here, and blue ones go here...
You know if she hadn't kept repeating that, I'd have gotten confused.
When she stops saying "good job" and starts saying "ok" 😔
I felt that :(
The kid didn't catch the different of "good job" and "ok", she said "ok" when he put the card in the wrong place and it make him super confused. I am sure if she corrected him once at the first time he got it wrong, he won't be wrong again. Kids follow adult's example and feedback rather than the instruction.
@@stelcxantisto That's just it. The purpose was to see what he would do, if he would adapt to the changed rules on his own, not to see if he could learn to do it over time. If I had to guess, she shouldn't have been saying, "Good job," at all during the experiment. Likely there was a script that she was supposed to follow exactly that made her seem robotic and she had to add to it for practical reasons just to keep kids engaged enough to finish.
@@jasonpatterson9821 Agree, she can say something neutral, rather than good job or ok.
This is why the child got annoyed at a point, whatever he does, no sign of appreciation.
Take a shot everytime we have to remember we’re playing the color game.
I’m dead now!
We aren’t playing the color game, we are playing the shape game
I am now playing the colour game with the ceiling tiles in A&E!
the more we drink the more we forget
Matthew 🤣🤣🤣
When the kid said “I’m bored” I felt that
Balrog360 Same, but I still finished the video
4:33 timestamp incase anyone’s wondering
@@DonkChlonk bruh I was stressing waiting six minutes to find that spot
😂😂😂
I thought he was going to say " i'm confused "
Haha, she sound like an NPC ...
Same. No wonder the kid tuned out her instructions. Clearly he is very smart to pick up on stuff like her desire to have him place cards face down, even without any instruction 0:41.
Ikr
@@21area21 I think that's more mimicking than being smart
@@zarrowthehorse "Just mimicking" is completely neglecting the complexity of what's happening.
My point is that the "mimicking" action requires understanding the rules of how to sort in order to do so.
I mean she was trying to limit verbal cues with her speech so of course it sounded stilted
I often worry that this is how I do my job, and nobody has the courage to tell me.
I feel this.
This is why asking for feedback is so helpful in professional settings but it requires vulnerability, humility, and confidence
@espoir inconscient "I drive a flower delivery truck."
@@CaptChrispy wait thats illegal
Same
Pretty much, she says the rules so many times that he stops ignoring them, so when they change, he's like RIGHT HEEEEEA and keeps on with the previous rules
its to see how the child responds to rule changes, does it understand the change or has the repeatance of the rule left a mark in the memory, its all about adaptation to the new game rules
@@kratos9524 I think Francisco's hypothesis is correct. After hearing the same phrase over and over again, the child stopped listening. Even adults do this.
Instruction caching is a very effective optimisation in computing -- particularly so for complex instruction set architectures. 🙂
@@thebeetalls except later in the video she asked him to point out where trucks go and where flowers go in the shape game, and he correctly pointed the boxes out. So he didn't stop listening before the shape game explanation
@@ziul123 When she asked where the "trucks" go he got it right, when she asked where the "blue trucks" go he got it wrong.
@@thebeetalls yes. That means he was still listening, his brain was just not developed enough to overwrite the rules for the color game. Your observation doesn't invalidate what I said before
The first rule of the shape game is that you never stops talking about the rules in the shape game.
God can't stop laughing at this
@@studywithmelive..whatever6561 I can't laugh seeing a 3 years old get tortured.
@@seanleith5312 How is he being tortured? Just curious
**Boy 20 years later driving a truck into a toll station**
Sign: 'If your driving a truck please use the lanes to the right'
Driver: **Swerves left**
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Underrated comment. 🤣🤣🤣
But what if it's a blue truck?
@@hillary..t shut up. Nobody gives a cares.
😂
Remember we're playing the shape game. In the shape game trucks go here and flowers go here. Here is a flower, where does it go in the shape game?
Was just reading it when she was saying it :b
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Right at the top of this thread, because you're my beautiful flower 💚
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This has to be the worst sorting algorithm I've seen in my life
TRUE. but he's still a toddler. He wasn't paying attention anymore the color game was just engraved in the poor things memory. No wonder he stopped paying attention. I think we ALL stopped paying attention.
Proof that humans especially little onea are stupid
I feel like this was more of a test of the child's patience than his pattern recognition abilities.
If I was that kid I wouldve just gotten fed up off her
He clearly was not interested in the shape game. He would have left at the end of the color game if he hadn't been forced back into the seat. He even tried to bail on the shape game and had to be restrained by security lol
He was confused and was looking for help
Children are just simple adults . Adults have this same thinking but with more layers on top. I do wonder if he would have done better if he had not been told the color game rules repetively. The real insight is where she calls the cards by both characteristics. Color was given priority.
@@ernestlam5632 I wonder if that's just because colors come before their noun in english. As in, said first
They should do this with terrorist this was pure torture to listen to those rules.
No Name ReMeMbEr, We’Re PlAyInG tHe CoLoUr GaMe
"Down on the fucking ground!"
"This is the hostage game. The hostages go out the door, and the terrorists stay inside. Where do the terrorists stay?"
"Uhhh... Here?"
"Good... and where do the hostages go?"
"Out there..."
"Great ^^. Buh-bye!"
No Name A reporter should also use this on Donald Trump: "Remember, in the popular vote game, the person with more votes wins and the person with fewer votes loses. Who would've won in 2016 in the popular vote game?"
@@abcd123906 but thats not how it works... (Electoral college and all)
Clinker Yes, I know, but Trump was pretty sour about not having also won the popular vote.
It was interesting watching him second guess himself at some points. Like there were points where you could tell he sort of had the right idea about the shape game in his mind , but wanted confirmation, which he obviously didn't get, so it's just overridden and he just goes back to what he knows.
2:49 exactly
This kind of set up is mindf*** and soul damage to the innocent children. I am mad at the mad professors setting up these kinds of laboratories
@@blissful4trees No and no mate, try again.
You're exactly right. He got disturbed enough by the weird game and weird acting person to leave and seek some reassurance, after which he got one right.
Or, maybe that's us projecting. Ah, adult psychology xD
@@blissful4treesthey’ve done this stupid torture test for probably close to a century. Depending on age they force you to do some version of this if they do IQ test or challenge your mental cognition or whatever. I’ve had to do it several times before because they want to see if memory is ok with the whatever seizure drugs, or maybe whatever drugs/transplants in school just to see how I was doing. Luckily they shut up when you get to a certain age and you have to figure it out on your own later.
I think Max realized he dun got it wrong and decided to bail =)).
Darathu That’s what I was thinking too. The game was rigged anyway. She demonstrated the color game but not the shape game. He did not realize that anything had changed. Her voice is annoyingly the same no matter what.
That's the point
girl: where do the trucks go?
Max, realising he made a mistake: ah shit
@@panderzbananderz9320wdym it was rigged that was literally the experiment
@@panderzbananderz9320 he did realize since when asked when the trucks/flowers go in the shape game he pointed the right ones. The point is not to demonstrate but to let his abstract thinking do the work.
Points for confidence. “Right THEEEEEIA.”
Like deeeeeEEeeeEeEeeeez????
Deeeeeezzz hhhhhhhhhhhhh
*Right heeeeeerreee
He was going slow because he wanted confirmation
Exactly. He wanted confirmation cuz he had a feeling he was wrong but as she kept on saying okay he kept on going with the color game....notice how he always hesitates.
I read this just as he said 'HeeeeEEEeerre' 😆
Also, like 666 🤘😈
He’s smurfing. He knows the trick. He’s not gonna let her win.
CHALLENGER Shape Game Pro SMURFING in BRONZE!!
That feeling when you're stuck on a game tutorial but it's bugged and no matter how much you try you can't get past that one piece of dialogue saying "Oooh Kayyyhhh, remember we're playing the SHAPE GAME, remember flowers go HERE, and trucks go HERE"
right deeeearrr
YES.
I can't believe this amazing child endured this woman's crap for almost 5 minutes. THAT'S some impressive prefrontal development
This
Hahha
lol
She's awful!
Christopher Pekarik how? She was playing a game with him.
4:22 I wonder if it is possible he put it together for a second and was disappointed with himself.
It was like, "I'm done with your shit, I got confused"
It was. IT DEFINITELY WAS THAT thank you!!
Lmao he got mad cuz he KNOWS what he done did
2:20 now we're gonna play the shape game
Kid: I'm out
6 minutes of Max having existencial crisis
The internet: mmh... *interesting*
Instructions unclear, I sill can’t remember where the blue one goes.
Clearly it goes right theeeeeeeee
But we're playing the shape game.
can you put it in the box ?
@FBI Somehow I don't doubt that
Im wondering. How many ppl have an fbi account. Cause i see them everywhere
Remember, we're playing the color game. In the color game, red ones go here, and blue ones go here.
Speedswiper
Nah shape game time
Gud jiaaaaa
I wonder where would he put a yellow submarine?
Right DEEAAAA
@@maxblanchard5258 HAHAHA! Good shit right Theeia
He is so cute 😭💕
I love how he makes sure to flip the card before setting in down. Sweet little man
I liked how he flipped the card once he noticed that she had done the same at 0:54. Smart kid.
ya i caught that awesome!
He seems like he is very unsure of themselves when they start playing the shape game, but since he's never corrected, he keeps putting them in colours. He takes the "ok" to mean the same as good job. And he ignores the rules of the shape game because he has no attention span to listen to the rules every time.
Jacob Stevenson They're not trying to teach the kid, it's an experiment on child development. She's probably instructed to not make eye contact when he looks for validation as he puts the cards in. To not give any cues that he's doing it wrong, because they want to see his thought process, *not* the way he reacts to the adults.
Yeah, Christine is right. This is a controlled test with possibly dozen of children and quantifiable outcomes.
Of course you could instruct the boy better and change sentences, tone of voice, change facial mimics or add more feedback to better "guide" his behaviour.
However. That would skew the results if you want a general understanding of 3yr olds average development. You have to act the same for every child for the tests to be comparable.
@Jacob Stevenson
Yeah. This should not be understood as a lesson, this is simply data gathering.
The goal is not that children learn anything from this. They usually don't and it is sometimes even counterproductive to learning. It is not harmful though if the child is not tested every day...
He’s mind has left the chat.
So it's basically school???? RIP
it's interesting how when he thought he was playing tbe shape game wrong, he waited, maybe looking for a response from the tester, and when he got the same feedback as with the colour game, he assumed the outcomes are the same.
I'm probably over-assuming.
@Darren Munsell Yeah but the goal isn't to see him learn through feedback. The goal is closer to demonstrating that he still hasn't acquired the capacity to make a Caesar salad but switch to a Niçoise when told to (provided he knew both recipes, the same way the child know what trucks, flowers, red and blue mean)
This is exactly how I train people at my job through repetition of practical application and yet, I still have to repeat myself too.
During the colour game, there was positive reinforcement for putting blue cards in the blue box. While in the shape game even when the boy put the correct shape in the correct box there was no positive reinforcement. I believe this could've impacted the results, Cheers.
I didn't notice that he got any correct in the shape game.
@@amethystsunangel1955 yes, just one
What was the darn prize... I want to know if the kid got hustled
The prize was not having to play the shape game anymore
@@mproductions8285 Damn. So basically I work my ass off to die at the end. Interesting perspective, brb I'm gonna kill myself now
@@lordoa I made a joke but I really appreciate the effort you did to make me feel better in case im serious
Nice androids we have nowadays! She looks exactly like a human, that's so impressing!
I wish they would tell us their interpretation of this. He understands the rules of both games. But he won't do the second one. You can tell he keeps looking at her for a reaction if he's correct or not, and she knows that and isn't giving a reaction. So, is he actually confused by how to play the game, or is he testing her reaction and isn't liking that she won't tell him if he's right or wrong?
Woman : Remember we're playing color game
Kid : That's enough. I'll ignore all the other rules, because I'm bored.
I'm 18 years old and I'm still trying to figure out where the flowers and the trucks are supposed to go.
This lady gives off unskippable tutorial energy.
I think he just stopped listening to the rules after hearing them a bazillion times.
It's more like the routine of it that the kid gets used to I think
When he stood up to leave and then sat back down , he got it right. After a while I feel like he's not even listening anymore
I think this also tells us that after some repetition we stop paying attention
Nah, he understood the rule since he could answer the questions about the shape game in the absence of cards.
true tho.
Because she just sounds that dull after the 50th time. And he wanted to leave.
This comment section is full of experts who know better than actual child psychologists.
These 'psychologists' can't keep him engaged for 5 goddamn minutes
That was painful to watch
And now I activate my pot of greed, which allows me to draw two additional cards from my deck!
Anyone else break into cold sweats when she switched from the colour game to the shape game
lol 0:51 he turns around like
"this lady be crazy why am I here with her" XD
I wonder how they feel viewing themselves 10 years later
Thank you for this video! It helped out a lot with our Theory of Mind lab and DCSS card sort.
But Max does recognise that flowers and trucks are different shapes. At three years old, his brain is not developed enough to be flexible like ours, so when you give him a new rule, his brain cannot inhibit the old colour rule.
stupids humans
I think that's part of the experiment
"can you put it in?" This is by far the most adult thing you can say in a family friendly video
6:02 my teachers after they just witnessed me legendarily failing
4:22
Max: Aight imma head out
This guy is gonna be 14 this year. Wow, i want to see him do it today.
After the disruption, he was briefly able to change gears. That’s useful information.
“Right theeeeeere!”
So cute!
4:25 aight imma head out
I don't think the kid knows what the word shape is tbh.
Getting a 3 year old to sit through and complete this task is the real achievement captured in the video
That's kinda the point in perseveration behavior within the DCCS task. After the dimensional rule switch is made, instructions may not be repeated, it would interfere with the measured behavior.
He had an example the first game, but no example the second game. This shows he does not trust the words he hears as much as his eyes with the rules shown to him as the first one is my guess.
[4:41] He can see right through her (mad face) 😒 "She's a witch!"
_Generally, this test shows that visual stimulations are better developed than linguistic ones, at the age of 3._
It also shows, through its execution, that reward system and repetition is highly influencing the child's decision.
Furthermore, within the visual observations, the child responds better on the color rather than the shape of the object.
In addition, the child expects to play a game regardless of what the rules are or how it's called. So, it only pays attention to the first part of the 'game' which happens to be the color game.
(+) Specifically this child seems to be easily bored [2:20] - He even admits to it [4:32]
The point made by this test is interesting, non the less, biased. The (average) data needs to be combined with other test's (average) data for a more accurate conclusion. [ In which it was already done, in real life, by real scientists, a long time ago, in a galaxy far.. far away ]
The child pays more attention on the word 'game' rather than the word 'shape' or 'color'. [ So what is actually expected of the child, the child is unaware ]
The color game was played first, the shape game was played last. [ What about the reverse order? ]
The color game was introduced with visual instructions from the 'Dealer' lady, while the shape game was not introduced visually. Both games were explained verbally.
Visual pointers were present at every turn.
The verbal explanations were mentioned every step of the game, yet the child did not pay attention to them.
The verbal understanding of the child was briefly evaluated [3:58], confirming that it has full comprehension of what is verbally inferred in terms of language, but not its 'meaning'.
The child did not get 'rewarded' when he got the shape correct [5:05] [ No Good job? ]
OK
No children were hurt, or damaged in any way because of this test.
And we don't have to play the shame game.
I am not a specialist. This is 'just' a youtube comment.
I enjoy wasting my time, and so are you 🤨
“Can you put it in?” Literally thats what she said
Im most amazed that he put the cards face down correctly even without being told.
My thoughts during the video:
THIS KID IS A GENI...oh no, nevermind, he is not.
Thank you so much for this info. I found the video very interesting and I would include it in my Cognitive Class presentation on "Executive Function."
This looks like an exhausting task to administer lol
She never explicitly told him he was doing it wrong and so negatively reinforced the game he was playing. So by the end the kid learned that he did everything correctly.
Her: Okay we are playing the SHAPE game. Can you tell me where the TRUCKS go?
Him: Here? *points to the truck*
Her: mhm and where the flowers go?
Him: here: *points to flowers
Her: Good. Here is a truck, where does it go?
Him: FLOWER!
Her: Verbally says "Truck"
Him: Points to image of truck
Her: Presents image of a "Blue Truck"
Him: Mind goes "BLUE! BLUE!" since colors provide more basic and immediate stimulus than shapes, and he places it in the Blue position.
It's the visual that's confusing him. Is she held the image of the card toward herself and told the child it was a truck, and asked where it went, my guess is he would answer correctly.
I'd like to see this experiment in reverse order.
We're playing the comment game. In the comment game, words go here and likes go here
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Tf man
Im blown away that the shape didnt confuse him honestly
Okay, we're playing the shape game and in the shape game we don't stop until you're banging your head off the table, okay
"Can you put it in??"
"Right deaaaa"
"Stupid Men"
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Apparently she explained the rules of the game but I think I missed it when I skipped 5 seconds of the video.
The aim of the study was to find the level of patience in kids and this kid showed tremendous patience with 'Remember we're playing..'
I think this is an interesting and important look at how a lack of discouragement can feel like validation
Somehow I feel like if she'd said "no, no, no, is that really the right answer?" the first time he made the mistake in the shape game, he would've gotten it the rest of the way. You can see him hesitating the first few times when they switch to the shape game.
I think this too: he never realized he was wrong. The OK sounded to him exactly like the GOOD JOB, but it wasn't OK to fail. The thing I am not sure about is the end goal though: if the end goal is to put the child in a contradictory state, to stimulate his self-critique, than I would say that was the right thing to do, otherwise I am quite doubtful.
@@tommasobonvicini7114 Exactly! The difference in her response between when he got it right or wrong was almost undetectable, especially for such a young child. But he was clearly frustrated for the second half of the game. I think he knew something wasn't right.
Reminds me of when I was 7 or 8, I kept going down the water slide at the local pool backwards. When I got to the bottom, the life guard whistled and yelled a single word I couldn’t understand (probably because the rushing water sounds from being dunked in the pool).
I continued to go down backwards many more times and she would blow the whistle once and yell that one word each time that I still couldn’t understand.
It took me several times to realize she was whistling at me, but because she never scolded me, asked me not to go backwards, or even looked at me, I figured it was just a thing they did when people went down the slide backwards.
Finally, after going down what seemed like 15+ times (backwards), she stopped me and said I wasn’t allowed to slide down the slide backwards. And I didn’t slide down the slide backwards after that.
Slightly different, but still! Shows that kids really need clear boundaries and corrective action rather than passive reactions.
I’m a vegan now and I could draw parallels there too, but I don’t wanna get too preachy, haha.
Q: How can you tell if someone is vegan?
A: They’ll tell you.
He knew and was looking to her for approval. That is why he no longer wanted to play because he was unsure
He learned an important life lesson; to tolerate people you find tedious.
What if this kid watches this video now, after 10 years of uploading😆
True gestalt moment
Woman: were do the truck goes?
Boy: visible confusion
When he started to work out the flipping of the card too I was so impressed
they had us in the first half not gonna lie
She's really sounds like a robot 🤖
U reckon he's playing the colour game ?
I click on ONE random video, and now RUclips thinks I love learning about how children react to different tests.
I love how he learned to put in the cards upside down
I was watching this video at 3:58 o’clock in the morning
ReMEmBeR iN a COloUr gAmE rEd onEs gO HeRE AnD BlUe OnES Go hERe.
Max has other things to do and he’s tired of telling you where it’s supposed to go 😂😂😂
When he flipped it over! What a precious child!
I'm pretty sure the kid knows were the colours go now
Where's my prize, lady?
i would totally destroy this test
I like how the researcher didn't have any expressions and looked straight ahead as the kid was deciding where to place to card so as to not give any suggestions.