Erick's FS-5 setup is rad and big ups Jenkem for shedding more light on the tapeless VX world. But there's actually loads of other great tapeless options that people have been using for a while now, and this is just one of many. The Datavideo DN60, Sony MRC1, Sony DR60, Firestore FS-100, FS-4, FS5, and FS H-200 Pro, and Citidisk CFR/HD are all VX1000 compatible and mountable DV recorders, and all have been getting a ton of use in the VX world for at least a year and a half at this point. Ben Jones did a complete run down video of a few of them for those interested: ruclips.net/video/Ey5UAqgjnFU/видео.html
@@MrIanEntertainment No problem dude. The Sonys seem to be the most common and most widely used. The FS-100 and FS-4 are a bit crappy for VX1000. so I personally wouldn't recommend them. The DN60 is possibly considered the best but it's pretty rare. Good luck!
THIS is how you do it. And not plugging in some composite recorder that only creates MPEG4 files. The DV-out -> DV-in recorder method actually gives you EXACTLY what you'd get from the camera. Just the pure DV stream that you'd otherwise record on a DV tape. Just on a flash storage medium. And THAT is what you should definitely always go for. This is the only way to get authentic DV material from a DV camcorder while bypassing the Tape recording.
Agreed. I have the Immersion powerplay and it does not look good. Makes my TRV900 look like a damn HI8. The Clearclick 2.0 using the S-video is a bit closer but still not as good as this solution.
But firewire cables tend to burn out when they're used while the camera is on. Also these recorders go for 300 bucks. So a proper VX build sets you back 800$. As a filmer who likes to film not just fisheye I'd rather get an xl1 and film through SDI for that price. anyways, I wish I wasnt broke
Please comment tips about that thing here. I tried the immersionRC and had terrible luck. Couldn’t even send it back. I almost did a segment on why you shouldn’t get the immersion RC.
I have a feeling that this might make VX's virtually impossible to find soon. So many people haven't bought one simply because the price of tapes and the annoyance of digitizing it. I know I'm definitely copping one now
Who was dumb enough to say that? Don't get me wrong, the VX definitely needs a rest, but the vast majority of us are too puppet-minded/insecure and lack the artistic vision required to step away from it/branch out. LMFAO at every person who still thinks the VX is the best camera to record skating with. Kids and nostalgia-obsessed man-children with no vision have trouble seeing through the (tired) nostalgic appeal of VX "footy". . .I remember when skaters used to be at the forefront of things rather than just sucking on/investing themselves into long-outdated trends.
Adding to the info: I recently picked up an FS-5 and it was a certified fancy looking paperweight. Mine would not allow me to record clips longer than 30 seconds before the unit would freeze up and require me to pull the battery out. It would also freeze when attempting to transfer logged clips to the computer. I’ve heard of people swapping the internal HDD for an SSD but I haven’t gone down that route yet. In the meantime I picked up a Sony HVR-MRC1 which records onto compact flash and works like a charm.-also keeps your clips organized on the card. My reason for going tapeless was because my vx1000 had a tape stuck inside and the camera would not detect it for an eject.. I ended up removing the tape deck altogether from my vx1000 to get rid of the cameras 5 minute auto shut-off and now my rig is a lot lighter as well! Hope this helps someone in the future
i'm pretty sure we'll see this type of retrofitting becoming MORE common and done as a professional service by certain places specifically only doing THAT. And probably also taking care of swapping HDDs from HDD camcorders of the mid 2000s.
works, and good idea.. but some loss of quality from the immediate digitalization. I can see it in this video from the clips, but I would like to see it stood next to some imported footage off a tape
It's a bit frustrating that the person who is explaining the method does not know how to properly set up a vx1000. It could just be poor settings, on camera as well as while exporting the footage. The loss of quality could also be attributed to the tapeless method. No way of knowing 🥴
@@charvao I don’t know much in general but I like how you can just instantly put the clips you recorded on your computer instead of get the tape and having to go somewhere to get it converted so that way you can put it in your laptop and edit it
people saying iphone clips look better, yeah obviously they're higher resolution but theres no style or character to iphone footage. same thing if you take photos on a digital camera to a film camera theres a difference
the 'style' youre talking about is a 30 year old shitty image processing chip. You just remember your favorite old skate videos being filmed on them, and you want to be like that. Make your own statement, or you're just a follower.
@@steve-tron4095 you're so salty for no reason bruh i see you commenting under other peoples comments go actuall do something productive with your time
@@steve-tron4095 Century Optics Fisheye Lens are the widest..producing the most barrel distortion over any DSL fisheye! The Century Optics Glass is made of better materials making it much more expensive. Doesn't matter now ...it done for good. They shut down thier fisheye lens factory forever. DSLR are only available now and some opteka.
@@emmpak The wideness of Century lenses is completely irrelevant, we're talking about the VX1000 here. Go throw your Death lens on the newest Red camera, great. But the actual VX is not a good camera by any means. It was literally built to be competitive with Betamax in 1995. Also, shooting in 4k and adding more barrel distortion in post will 1000% get you a wider and higher resolution image than an old death lens. Just buy a 400$ Samyang/Rokinon 8mm.
@@emmpak So get the gear thats cheaper and available. What makes a skate video good isnt the camera or the lens. Chasing VXs and death lenses is so pointless in 2021.
How is the FS-5 powered? What sort of battery does it require? ALSO does the camera still stay on to record onto it when you're not recording onto tape?
I’ve never filmed an actual project without a vx,but let’s be real y’all,THAT SEEMS LIKE MORE WORK THAN TAPING OVER AND PRAYING FOR NO GLITCHES. If beagle embraces the times maybe we all should. Perhaps leave the vx on the shelf for like 10 years and we can all make a bomb collab video for the next generation to geek on. The times they are a changing
Works on VX2000 and GL1/GL2 As long as the camcorder has firewire out you can use the DV recorder. Beats using that composite recorder that most people been using
This is a expensive and rare way to record without tapes for vx, this way is great because it keeps the quality 100% but check out my vid i did on affordble tapless vx1000 device and it works for other camcorders without the firewire port or whatever and its only like $100
Sony makes a similar contraption that captures to a CF card that I use. No tapes. I've tried telling people about it and they think I'm joking or something haha
its awesome we can watch this video about a pretty cool filming technology where the filmer stands 10 feet away and uses a $200 fisheye that looks nothing like an mk1! obviously this is cool but it's not exactly new, can't wait to hold my mk1 forever until the price goes to 1 mil and then i can retire
It does kinda suck they didn’t get a slightly more serious vx filmer (one that actually uses an mk1 and films close enough) but he did drop some knowledge for people not in the know🤷🏼♂️
I think what he's saying is what I noticed too.. there's something about it.. I did research and I found the FS5 has a record rate of 25mbps... wondering if it was recorded interlaced. Progressive DV video is 50mbps. Could be wrong.
It's old and obsolete for literally everyone in the world but some old skaters. You want a bad 480p CCD chip, or is it bad tape heads, a mic handle that breaks, or just a camera thats 3-4x bigger than 4k cameras with true interchangeable lenses?
![The ImmersionRC PowerPlay Guide for Tapeless Camcorders [ VX1000 / GL2 / TRV900 etc ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4Lz8nawVn2g/mqdefault.jpg)
The VX market after this video 📈
been tryna scoop one for a minute and this is going to make it so terrible
why they gotta do this to me
@@stoopid_2984 lmfao should’ve hit up my Depop. Sold all 3 of mine.
@@stoopid_2984 dm me on Instagram @permissionskateshop im sitting on one id maybe let go for the right price
This workaround has been known for a lil bit.
Check this other method out!
ruclips.net/video/K5A4vG5UER4/видео.html
Erick's FS-5 setup is rad and big ups Jenkem for shedding more light on the tapeless VX world. But there's actually loads of other great tapeless options that people have been using for a while now, and this is just one of many.
The Datavideo DN60, Sony MRC1, Sony DR60, Firestore FS-100, FS-4, FS5, and FS H-200 Pro, and Citidisk CFR/HD are all VX1000 compatible and mountable DV recorders, and all have been getting a ton of use in the VX world for at least a year and a half at this point.
Ben Jones did a complete run down video of a few of them for those interested: ruclips.net/video/Ey5UAqgjnFU/видео.html
thank you man, needed this because I can't find an fs-5 recorder anywhere
@@MrIanEntertainment No problem dude. The Sonys seem to be the most common and most widely used. The FS-100 and FS-4 are a bit crappy for VX1000. so I personally wouldn't recommend them. The DN60 is possibly considered the best but it's pretty rare. Good luck!
@@AlHodgson i got a gl2, what’s the best for that?
@@MrIanEntertainment Any of them will be fine for that, Fs-4/Fs100 are just bulky is all.
@@MrIanEntertainment hey. i will sell a fs5 pm me
Wouldn’t be surprised if the government took this guy out 💀
I am the government
jenkem literally never disappoints
video/ homie is definition of "for the culture"
THIS is how you do it. And not plugging in some composite recorder that only creates MPEG4 files. The DV-out -> DV-in recorder method actually gives you EXACTLY what you'd get from the camera. Just the pure DV stream that you'd otherwise record on a DV tape. Just on a flash storage medium. And THAT is what you should definitely always go for. This is the only way to get authentic DV material from a DV camcorder while bypassing the Tape recording.
Agree. Once you skip the DV port you might as well get a cheaper Hi8 recorder like the VX3 or some other 3CCD camera.
Agreed. I have the Immersion powerplay and it does not look good. Makes my TRV900 look like a damn HI8. The Clearclick 2.0 using the S-video is a bit closer but still not as good as this solution.
But firewire cables tend to burn out when they're used while the camera is on. Also these recorders go for 300 bucks. So a proper VX build sets you back 800$.
As a filmer who likes to film not just fisheye I'd rather get an xl1 and film through SDI for that price. anyways, I wish I wasnt broke
@@_jellone Trust me, you wont' regret getting this and pairing it with the VX. You have no idea how happy I am to be able to use my VX again lol.
Glad this is still going on. Just bought a immersionrc powerplay dvr for my VX's
Got one too, getting great results with it. I even soldered a custom cable, so I can push the connector all the way in.
@@trychaser2518 that's awesome. May have to look into the cable thing later.. I have 0 knowledge when it comes to soldering
Please comment tips about that thing here. I tried the immersionRC and had terrible luck. Couldn’t even send it back. I almost did a segment on why you shouldn’t get the immersion RC.
@@filmermap there are plenty of detailed videos on RUclips.. what problems did u have?
Is it not composite quality though rather than firewire?
So glad you do this correctly. Too many people use the composite video yellow cable.. makes your footage look like shit
I use super strong velcro to mount the device right onto the VX: Tape deck side for long-lens, and under side for fisheye (for even weight)
hes filming from so far away I bet he has ptsd from breaking his last vx
LMFAO at every nay sayer who said VX was going away.
4ever
Can just get a panasonic DVX tho
I have a feeling that this might make VX's virtually impossible to find soon. So many people haven't bought one simply because the price of tapes and the annoyance of digitizing it. I know I'm definitely copping one now
Who was dumb enough to say that?
Don't get me wrong, the VX definitely needs a rest, but the vast majority of us are too puppet-minded/insecure and lack the artistic vision required to step away from it/branch out.
LMFAO at every person who still thinks the VX is the best camera to record skating with. Kids and nostalgia-obsessed man-children with no vision have trouble seeing through the (tired) nostalgic appeal of VX "footy". . .I remember when skaters used to be at the forefront of things rather than just sucking on/investing themselves into long-outdated trends.
@@kanescrimes4848 I've never seen someone get so upset by someone's camera choice.. I hope ur ok bro
VX1000 prices just jumped 200% on eBay
It will be here until the end of time!!!
That is the homie mike 💯⚡️ from PA
Adding to the info:
I recently picked up an FS-5 and it was a certified fancy looking paperweight. Mine would not allow me to record clips longer than 30 seconds before the unit would freeze up and require me to pull the battery out. It would also freeze when attempting to transfer logged clips to the computer. I’ve heard of people swapping the internal HDD for an SSD but I haven’t gone down that route yet. In the meantime I picked up a Sony HVR-MRC1 which records onto compact flash and works like a charm.-also keeps your clips organized on the card.
My reason for going tapeless was because my vx1000 had a tape stuck inside and the camera would not detect it for an eject.. I ended up removing the tape deck altogether from my vx1000 to get rid of the cameras 5 minute auto shut-off and now my rig is a lot lighter as well! Hope this helps someone in the future
i'm pretty sure we'll see this type of retrofitting becoming MORE common and done as a professional service by certain places specifically only doing THAT. And probably also taking care of swapping HDDs from HDD camcorders of the mid 2000s.
Seriously considering to buy this, since the tapedecks of all my VXs are busted.
you can get a cheaper one for 1/4 the price has pretty much the same quality vid on my channel
I have a video comparison of my vx1 with regular tapes and tapeless device.
Glad to see vx can live forever
Jenkem is always delivering the goods
Best part about it, no glitches : )
works, and good idea.. but some loss of quality from the immediate digitalization. I can see it in this video from the clips, but I would like to see it stood next to some imported footage off a tape
The video is digitized in the camera, before a recorder. Footage should be identical if it's using the same dv format
@@blaaaaaaarghable hmm.. sure dont look the same
@@xguaclomah5785 it does look a bit dark
It's a bit frustrating that the person who is explaining the method does not know how to properly set up a vx1000. It could just be poor settings, on camera as well as while exporting the footage. The loss of quality could also be attributed to the tapeless method. No way of knowing 🥴
@@tommyomara true, will have to experiment ourselves
I think my dreams will probably contain VX style visions FOREVER. _(I hope so anyway)_
i have been using the power play dvr to make my vx1000 tapeless. it’s cheaper and has great quality and playback
🤔
Got a jvc gr sxm240u and I love it…..next camera is a vx for sure
This is so sick I’m new to the filming so this is a really cool tip on how to get into filming your friends now only if you can bring back the mag 😭
Check some of my vids for cheap camera setups my dude
@@charvao do you really think that the firewire method is that much better? than the one you have in your chanel
@@TheMadWoozy I don’t think it’s even that much better , it’s probably qually just as good and I am not gonna go back to tapes
@@charvao I don’t know much in general but I like how you can just instantly put the clips you recorded on your computer instead of get the tape and having to go somewhere to get it converted so that way you can put it in your laptop and edit it
Thanks guys!!
incredible
Bro is social distancing while filming😂
Sorry everyone, i just bought the last DVR recorder that comes w a charger or battery..
people saying iphone clips look better, yeah obviously they're higher resolution but theres no style or character to iphone footage. same thing if you take photos on a digital camera to a film camera theres a difference
the 'style' youre talking about is a 30 year old shitty image processing chip. You just remember your favorite old skate videos being filmed on them, and you want to be like that. Make your own statement, or you're just a follower.
@@steve-tron4095 you're so salty for no reason bruh i see you commenting under other peoples comments go actuall do something productive with your time
Century Optics discontinued these fisheye lens forever for vx. Unless your lucky enough to get one of limited 300 units before it finally ends.
There are SO many better fisheyes out today that WEREN"T designed before 720p even existed...
@@steve-tron4095 Century Optics Fisheye Lens are the widest..producing the most barrel distortion over any DSL fisheye! The Century Optics Glass is made of better materials making it much more expensive. Doesn't matter now ...it done for good. They shut down thier fisheye lens factory forever. DSLR are only available now and some opteka.
@@emmpak The wideness of Century lenses is completely irrelevant, we're talking about the VX1000 here. Go throw your Death lens on the newest Red camera, great. But the actual VX is not a good camera by any means. It was literally built to be competitive with Betamax in 1995. Also, shooting in 4k and adding more barrel distortion in post will 1000% get you a wider and higher resolution image than an old death lens. Just buy a 400$ Samyang/Rokinon 8mm.
@@steve-tron4095 Century Optics did make the MK1 (vx1000 fisheye) to fit HD/4K cameras in a 58mm screw mount version . They are very rare though.
@@emmpak So get the gear thats cheaper and available. What makes a skate video good isnt the camera or the lens. Chasing VXs and death lenses is so pointless in 2021.
Bruh you savage macgyver mode. Nice!!!
This is basic camera stuff
will this method work with any camcorder?
Would this also work for a GL2? 🤔
Yes my homie did this
Lol why are you even messing around with a gl2. They didn’t even look that good when they were popular lol
But ayeee Respect for ballin on a budget
@@nickholtz8654 it's beautiful 🥔
The luddites of skateboarding have reemerged.
Amazing PSA
would this work on a vx2000,2100 etc...?
VX: Let it goooo
that hook and loop is way better than the ducktape I have seen in these streets. thanks for this one, going to hit up that amazon asap.
you could probably use a command strip for a little extra security, instead of velcro.
vx1000 revolution!
Will this also work for a VX 2100?
yes any DV
WILL IT VX2100?
Hopefully this doesn’t get patched
How is the FS-5 powered? What sort of battery does it require? ALSO does the camera still stay on to record onto it when you're not recording onto tape?
15V battery, and yea I would imagine the camera needs to stay on
would this method work with a canon GL2 as well ?
Yes
sell your GL2 for a canon rebel and a Rokinon fisheye and a skate handle. That's what adults have been doing for the last 10 years.
@@steve-tron4095 been had one even before my gl2 lmao
@@sackofdebris So you bought a GL2 RECENTLY? Oh boy....
@@steve-tron4095 got it for free in very good condition
this is the coolest fucking thing i've ever seen i want to film again
Damn I wish I knew about this 7 years ago, would’ve saved me hella time capturing 😅
i think this fs-5 device is some new tech
@@user-zj6ie5gc2t it’s not. They don’t even make them anymore
What about the FS-4 any thoughts on it? Does it work the same?
👌
are there different recorders you could suggest besides the fs5?
ruclips.net/video/K5A4vG5UER4/видео.html
@@kiliankl4167 is it possible to use it to an hdv camera without the av cables?
@@xname97 idk
i use the FS100
And Sony makes one too: HVR-MRC1
Iv got a Sony hvr mrc1, works a treat tapes are deceased
So you only turn the camera on and record on the recorderthing?
Great this prolong the amount of time I have to look at footage from a 30+ year old camera on a iPhone screen
Put the phone down and skate then
@@yungfriedoe4952 skateboardings gay
Would this work on a toaster???
I assume the recording device works with a trv900 too
Works with any camera that has a dv port
Is this the skate version of william ossman?
Ok! now I need a vx1000
none on ebay with that link lol :/
There are other “portable dvr recorders” you can search for B !
very helpful thank you!!
What if im using a PAL VX-1000e ? DOes the FS-5 support PAL input?
i dont think they do, i am not 100% sure but on my channel i have a tapless device that will work
the Powerplay RC huh? Ive tried that, its a hassle to plug in that little AV jack halfway lol. Thanks tho
@@michaelcochran5171 just a drop of super glue will hold it there , haha no worries ma can
I hope VX blows back up because of this
whats the battery time on the fs5?
That's dope
I’ve never filmed an actual project without a vx,but let’s be real y’all,THAT SEEMS LIKE MORE WORK THAN TAPING OVER AND PRAYING FOR NO GLITCHES. If beagle embraces the times maybe we all should. Perhaps leave the vx on the shelf for like 10 years and we can all make a bomb collab video for the next generation to geek on. The times they are a changing
Would this work with a trv900 aswell?
What if vx camera hit the lens is there replacement?
dude i miss xv so bad
Shout out to buddy, but whats good with that opteka 🤔🧐
can you use this for other tape cameras?
Works on VX2000 and GL1/GL2
As long as the camcorder has firewire out you can use the DV recorder. Beats using that composite recorder that most people been using
just copped a vx1000 like a month ago
Doesn’t the vx go too sleep mode when not recording with tape
Only when you got a tape in it. With no tape, it'll stay on till the battery dies
@@trychaser2518 oh my god thank you, good to know
tastyyyyy - doing gods work
Jenkem fucking forever man
Does this work with vx2100?
This is a expensive and rare way to record without tapes for vx, this way is great because it keeps the quality 100% but check out my vid i did on affordble tapless vx1000 device and it works for other camcorders without the firewire port or whatever and its only like $100
Does this work on a vx2000?
Yes
is it only ntsc?
Woooooow! 😯😯😯😯
MIKEY P
but will happen to the culture of the "hand mark"?
this is rad.
Just a thought, does the side mount throw the weight off? would a under mounted solution be helpful for that?
Has anyone tried this with a 2100?! I really wanna try it
I just got a working vx-1000 for $30. Maybe I'll do this.
genius
Yoooo would it work on vx2100
Can this work for a Panasonic dvx-100a?
Yes
Will this work with other sony mini dv camcorder. I have one lying around but the tape reader is broken and cant find any replacement
If it has a FireWire port it most likely will.
Anyone know if this works for Dvx-100b
And where to buy
@@Zombiemode1029 yes, the device picks up any DV signal. eBay.
My vx2000 just ate up a tape and it got caught through guts of machine :'(
Second!!
im sick dawg came opteka
Sony makes a similar contraption that captures to a CF card that I use. No tapes. I've tried telling people about it and they think I'm joking or something haha
whats it called?
ruclips.net/video/l2C6o6RBqb4/видео.html
its awesome we can watch this video about a pretty cool filming technology where the filmer stands 10 feet away and uses a $200 fisheye that looks nothing like an mk1! obviously this is cool but it's not exactly new, can't wait to hold my mk1 forever until the price goes to 1 mil and then i can retire
It does kinda suck they didn’t get a slightly more serious vx filmer (one that actually uses an mk1 and films close enough) but he did drop some knowledge for people not in the know🤷🏼♂️
i can't find the fs5 anywhere, would an fs4 work?
Cool idea, quality could look better tho , doesn’t look like true vx
The image is blown up a bit. VX is SD and this video is 1080 so the image is pulled a bit which makes it look worse.
Looks exactly the same.
I think what he's saying is what I noticed too.. there's something about it.. I did research and I found the FS5 has a record rate of 25mbps... wondering if it was recorded interlaced. Progressive DV video is 50mbps. Could be wrong.
stfu lmao
it's a combination of poor camera settings and the Opteka doesn't help. That lens aint crystal clear like a Mk1 is.
mike pompeo?!?!?!?!
I don’t understand why sony doesn’t reissue the vx1000
It's old and obsolete for literally everyone in the world but some old skaters. You want a bad 480p CCD chip, or is it bad tape heads, a mic handle that breaks, or just a camera thats 3-4x bigger than 4k cameras with true interchangeable lenses?
Just spent my last $360 on 1/3 left 😅
a working FS-5 recorder is impossible to find
get a immersion rc power play dvr
I have a vx2000:( lol but I have a bunch of brand new tapes