Thanks for the entertaining and informative vids Andrea and Zack. I had a 2005 Hyundai SF (3.5L) for 10 years and the only problem aside from brakes, tires, etc. was that my rotors warped after only around 40k miles and I only had 1 recall (the very last year I had the car) for a bolt on each tie rod end that was rusting. I went to the dealer and they resolved that in about 45 minutes. In 2015 I traded it in (with only 65K miles on it) for a 2016 SF Sport which I still own (9 years old). I've had 5 recalls on it but it has never given me any issues at all. I'd like to also mention that I do not even burn / lose a drop of oil between oil changes which I get about every 4,500 miles. I love to drive around town in manual mode (car seems to have much more power) and when I get on open highway I just put the gear selector in "drive". I'm a 75 year old who still likes to have fun driving. I've never had to add oil to either car between oil changes and I've enjoyed both Hyundai's I've owned and intend to get a Tucson or Sportage next spring.
I have a love/ hate relationship with Hyundai/kia. I lost my 2008 Hyundai entourage to engine failure at 7 years. Currently own 2019 Kia Sorento EX and 2020 Kia sportage EX tech. Love both vehicles but both burn oil and starting to make that bad engine pinging. I’m super diligent with oil changes- all via dealership while under warranty. Thinking of getting rid of these because of my entourage failed. My brother just had his 2017 Santa fe engine replaced due to oil consumption issues. My father-in-law is constantly topping up his 2017 Sante Fe with oil and his dealership shafted him by telling him the oil consumption monitoring program is not available. It is- I just enrolled with my Sorento. I convinced him to trade it in for a Buick envision avenir (thanks to Zack and Andrea). Finally, my next door neighbour Kia optima has engine knock issues. It seems every Kia - Hyundai around me has issues- I’m looking to sell mine for Japanese vehicles. I’ve trusted Zach for decades- but my experience and confidence with Kia- Hyundai is just not there anymore. Still watch this channel religiously. Best channel on YT, especially for us Canucks.
My neighbor has been through 2 Sante Fes over the past 5 years. Both bought at the dealership, both had engine failures. So what’d he do? He bought another one! 3rd times a charm right?
You can buy vehicles that you like rather than for reliability. That tells me you have the financial ability to not worry about paying for repairs after the warranty expires and constantly running to the dealer for repairs. Many people today, myself included, buy a vehicle because of the reliability because I keep my vehicles for many years and do not have that luxury.
Drove a Skoda with a manual in Austria a few years ago. When you stopped and let out the clutch in neutral the engine stopped. As soon as you pushed in the clutch the engine started up automatically. I loved it.
I've been in a situation where THREE WEEKS was the wait for an oil change on my F150. I just went to another dealer. You might think the selling dealer would be more accommodating. Then, the same dealership spilled oil all over my Maverick when it went in for its first oil change. They had moved to a newer facility which had a rapid lube lane but using a funnel was beyond their capabilities. I've given up on them. These are not free oil changes, and I expected a little more care as the Maverick's fill port is so easy to reach.
there is fire safety recall on 2020 sorento. you need to park your car outside. "Owners are advised to park outside and away from structures until the recall repair is complete." D Recall date 2022-09-18 Recall no. 22V703000 Kia America, Inc. (Kia) is recalling certain 2016-2022 Sorento, 2021-2022 Sorento Hybrid (HEV), 2022-2023 Sorento Plug-In Hybrid (PHEV), and 2017-2022 Sportage vehicles equipped with a tow hitch harness installed as original equipment, or purchased as an accessory through a Kia dealership. Debris and moisture accumulation on the tow hitch harness module printed circuit board (PCB) may cause an electrical short, which can result in a fire. Hide details Recall consequence A fire while parked or driving can increase the risk of injury. Recall action Owners are advised to park outside and away from structures until the recall repair is complete. Dealers will inspect the vehicle, and, as necessary, replace the fuse and/or tow hitch harness module, free of charge. Owner notification letters were mailed August 11, 2023. Owners may contact Kia customer service at 1-800-333-4542. Kia's number for this recall is SC249.
6:22 I recently bought a manual transmission Jeep Wrangler and am happy to report it did come with (to my surprise) with adaptive cruise control (as well as regular non-adaptive cruise control). It also comes with auto stop-start (which doesn't bother me most of the time). Obviously as soon as I start to put the clutch in to shift down, the ACC turns itself off. There's no hill holder but fortunately it has a traditional handbrake and I learned a long time ago how to use that when starting on a hill.
The HR-V in the US & Canada should definitely be coming.. We have the ZR-V hybrid here in the U.K. which is the same as your HR-V, we have another car named the HR-V to complicate things! Here the ZR-V Hybrid has the same powertrain as the Civic Hybrid and is available as 2WD only.
Design and equipment doesn’t mean jack if reliability isn’t there. Having worked on cars with 400,000 kms, I have never seen a Hyundai or Kia with half of that mileage. Subarus, Mazdas, Toyotas and even some fords, GMs, and Chryslers with that.
changing your oil is easy with the VW cars , if your keeping the vehicle for years then more frequent oil changes is cheap insurance compared to oil related damage in the engine.
The engine failures issues with HKG will happen no matter how often you change the oil. It isn't a maintenance issue, it is a design issue. As per a Kia master technician.
Unfortunately, my experience has been dramatically different from Andrea's mother with the identical car. It has been at the dealers for the last 8 weeks after being in for 3 of the first 6 months that I owned it. Yet, I do love the car when it is working, and hopefully it will be again after they replace the battery.
Funny story: I drove my 2007 Camry SE to the "pit stop" line at my Toyota/Lexus Dealer and the young Technician who brings the cars over the pit area couldn't figure out the 5-speed manual transmission w/Momo solid aluminum (unmarked) shift knob. They had to borrow a Mechanic from the service area who knew how to drive manual.
They mess up a lot today too, unfortunately kids aren’t going into automotive mechanics anymore. So the shortage on ase certified experienced mechanics
Tucson Hybrid owner here. I have 30 years of reservations but decided to given them a chance. Cons then Pros USA has a longer warranty but less consumer protection here, so there are some horror stories about the warranty claims denied. Kia/Hyundai was the poor credit brand. Their dealers reputation.... were scummy. That said. Nissan and Mazda were also, at one point. Hyundia/Kia' 4 cycl. Theta engines failures caused a lot of headaches for alot people. even if they replace your engine, how much time and money was lost... what about the people that do not have a 2nd car or mass transit? Kia Boyz Theft in the US. Alot of people had their cars stolen due to the lack of a security chip/transponder, and the Key tumbler was the shape of a USB, making them easy to steal. This lead to insurance companies denying coverage for affected models. Pros. Some of the early 2000s models are were just as reliable as the Japanese counterparts but had no styling differences, leading to the copycat reputations. But the 2010s was bad. The 1.6's were safe. But they had may lawsuits that decade. So buyer beware of used models. Hyundai Assurance 2009. remember the world financial crisis? Hyundai let you return your car if you lost your job during the WFS. Other companies mimick this program durng C19. If SHTF in the next few years, I expect Hyundai/Kia would do the same Hyundai Heavy industries, steel, parts suppliers and electronics are all integrated. That family owns half of South Korea. cross shop and test drive. are Honda or Toyota better build? mostly yes. is it $x more? mostly no. in traffic, where I live, they drive better than most.
I work as a technical expert for car insurance companies and leasing companies. I see damaged engined on a weekly basis, but not because of oil changes that are 2.000 miles overdue, but because of 30.000 kilometer oil change intervals. A lot of modern engines are damaged before the first regular oil change.
But are they really? Yeah, you could go on YT and see dozens of oil-guy videos with alarmist tests on the amount of metallicity in the first oil change... but does that actually mean anything to the real-world longevity of the engine? It's not like cars are prematurely dying because they followed the factory schedule instead of doing a short first oil change interval.
@@stuntmonkey00 I think I know who you mean by 'alarmists', they often test the oil after the break in period. So you can expect a lot of metal contents in your oil. I am referring to factory prescribed oil change intervals, together with low viscosity oil. Last week I had to inspect a three year old Volvo V60 with 180.000 km's. The car only had 5 oil changes over this period ( not even a break-in oil change) and was just out of warranty. All of this is according to the manufacturers specifications. It now needs a 15.000 euro engine replacement because all rod and main bearings are gone.
Awesome! Yes, the Buick Enclave review should drop in a few weeks or so. Still filming it this week but enjoy Questions, Coffee and Cars. Our Honda Odyssey review drops tomorrow, how you enjoy it.
On oil: ‘98 V70 5 cyl bought new (now 230K), ‘95 Dakota V6 bought in ‘97 (now 285K)synthetic once a year myself, neither engine ever apart, no appreciable oil consumption.
Thank you for your view on Hyundai/Kia. I was thinking about giving them a look, but have reliability reservations. I did test drive a Genesis SUV and was impressed.
@@kennethawesome I agree, Genesis dealerships are not readily accessible. Fortunately, I live in a large city and there is a new Genesis dealership that just opened close to me. I have not decided on a Genesis, but want to keep all options open. I also like Lexus so I still have lots to research before I buy.
I'm always sad when the show ends because I really enjoying listening to you two. I haven't owned a car for 25 years now (I use public transit - yes, the darn buses!) but I do rent a vehicle from time to time. I always enjoy the vehicles I get (low expectations) however, I had to take a Mitsubishi RVR a few months ago due to a lack of vehicles. What a dog. Bow wow! Gee, thanks Ent*rpr*se! 😛
Hyundai and Kia have been converging in reliability to Toyota and Honda, this is just a fact. As quality gets closer to equal, the features and style and value is going to take priority.
Resales values show reliability and what consumers think. Until these converge (if ever) Kia/Hyandai reliability still behind Toyota and Honda. Perhaps they will merge but that's an assumption yet to be proved.
That’s why I sold my Kia. The long term value was horrible. I loved my Sportage but from 2022 to 2024… in 2 years, I lost $14,000 value on it. I had the 2023 Sportage prestige. I just think that if I ever get another Kia, I won’t buy the top of the line.
When I was working for honda, I wanted an HR-V because I thought they were nice, practical & cheap...I decided against it because my insurance person told me it was too slow & should get a civic 🤣
My beef with Hyundai/Kia is their parts cost. I had a 2015 Sedona that for some reason needed an engine computer module replacement at 6 years old; nowhere could do it but the dealership, and parts/labour was $3000 CDN. It was outrageous, it would have been half the price at GM and that's bad enough. I really liked the vehicle, it was easy to work on too, but I sold it quick, and I'd be hesitant to buy another Kia that was out of warranty.
I would like to mention something about the Kia/Hyundai warranty in Canada that everyone seems to be overlooking. It’s only 5 years in Canada and that doesn’t cover the electronics. The electronics is only covered for 3 years.
I've had three Hyundai's. A 2011 Sonata Limited I put 140,000 miles on. Traded it for a 2019 Elantra Sport, now with 38,000 miles. Two months ago, my wife traded her 2017 CR-V for a 2025 Santa Fe Hybrid AWD. All three have been fantastic vehicles. At 63, I've become a Hyundai fanboy.
Got two Hyundai Elantras (2013), a Mazda 3sport (2015 ) and a 2009 Civic sport. The difference is in the handling and interior quality materials used n the Japanese brands over the Hyundais. Hyundais definitely have worn prematurely and their light bulbs wear out prematurely also. Overall they’ve been dependable mechanically.
Andrea is right about Hyundai’s history. I remember back in the late 80’s through most of the 90’s, Hyundai’s were the butt of all jokes related to automobiles. I remember test driving a ‘98 Hyundai Excel. It felt like it was held together with duct tape and glue and the powertrain was anemic. Having said that, I know Hyundai has improved 1000% but personally, they do nothing for me. They’re great vehicles but not something I’m interested in driving.
If I go 2000k over on an oil change I’m still within the manufacturer recommended time of 8000k 😅 I change mine every 5000k (3000 miles). Yea it’s overkill but I’ve always done it and never had an engine failure. Oil is cheap insurance.
Any data on the trade - in resale values on Hyundai / Kia... say 5 years maybe vs the Japanese and German manufactures ? $$$$$ ...might be part of the bigger picture
It's an oil change. Relax. over the past 40 years I've never done them more than twice per year, never gone to the same place twice, and never had engine problems. Most cars I've had over 200,000 km.
@3:00 The difference in warranty between Canada and the US? Has it got anything to do with our winters? Driver assist: has driving skills gotten so bad that we need driver's assist?
Doubt it. The U.S. has just as nasty winter weather as Canada in some states, and severe climates we don’t have. My guess is it’s an attempt to gain more market share, since the U.S. market is huge compared to Canada.
Been driving my 2023 Genesis GV70 for the last 7 months. 0 issues and I look forward every day to drive it. I couldn’t recommend that car enough. Give the brand a chance and you will not be disappointed.
See if it changes. The Murano is finally get a redesign including a new engine. Gone will be the 3.5 V6 with CVT, and in will be a turbo-4 cyl with less HP, although the torque will be up. Well the new 4-cyl will get literally the same fuel economy mileage as the old V6. A bit disappointing to see this. Wonder if the Pathfinder will see something similar ?
@@magnoliap5824 hopefully Pathfinder can still lug something and will get better fuel economy. Seeing the Murano in a V6 get the same fuel economy numbers as its incoming 4-cyl turbo..is a bit disheartening
I was once a Hyundai/Kia hater. Until i observed what the brand was doing and started my own research. I was amazed at what i could get for the money! I bought a 2017 Hyundai Elantra Limited when it was new. 7 years later, there were no mechanical issues and still under warranty. And it's the most reliable car I ever owned. I still get compliments on my car. Some people think it's an Audi or BMW the way it looks. I call it the "Korean Jetta." And it makes sense because Hyundai/Kia/Genesis has German designers and engineers. My car is well equipped for being 7 years old. I have memory seating, navigation, power sunroof, tilt side mirrors, smart cruise control, heated front and rear seats, and was the 1st compact mainstream car to offer Apple Carplay/Android Auto at the time. This is why I chose it over Civic and Corolla. The features I have now are still not offered on newer models of the Civic and Corolla. Which says a lot. Now I'm ready for an upgrade. The new 2025 Kia K4 GT-Line turbo is at the top of my list! I can't wait for it to hit dealer lots!
Im thinking in 10 years or so we will start to see more affordable cars again. I do not forsee this upscaling continuing forever. Like a camry now is nicer than a Lexus of 10 years ago. People will eventually not be able to afford it and then we will start to see a car where they focus on cheap reliable cars like an old Toyota corolla from 2005
I use to have 2010 Hyundai Tucson for 14 years over 150 thousand km and I traded for 2024 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid both I had no problem. Cheers! Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
I bought a 2007 Hyundai Entourage new and traded it in 2015 with 300,000 miles. No issues, other than had to replace the headlights a few times and regular maintenance. My next car was a 2015 Subaru Forester, which also gave me no problems until the transmission went at 260,000 miles. On my 2nd Forester now and love it other than I wish it had more horsepower.
I drove a Hyundai Sonata a few months ago after exclusively owning and driving Audis. I felt stupid for spending so much on Audis over all these years! It is true when they say that with Hyundai you get value for money. The true definition of Audi really is overpriced junk.
The problem with Hyundai and Kia specifically here in Canada. Is Brand image. I’m sure they have great products and interior is great, But! I’m sorry I will not buy one because you’re look down on for having a Kia not so much Hyundai. These brands are basically value brands.
"quality is not important to us" - well duh, because dealerships will treat you like celebrities. In case of us - regular people, who are struggling to get buy in today's economy - reliability is #1 concern. Quite sad to see that more and more of your videos you only care about gizmos "latest technology" and so on, mostly advising on buying cars 60+ grands in price. I'm feeling more and more disconnection due to this tbh, which is sad because I like your format in general.
I'm a regular consumer and quality scores are not my #1 determining factor when looking for a car. Hence, I'm not interested in any Toyota product. So not everyone buys based on quality being #1.
Kia/Hyundai should improve increase their warranty in Canada 100k miles is 160k km and there should be 10 Years warranty of 160k in Canada Just like USA 🇺🇸
Hyundai and Kia are killing it recently. I am a big fan. I have a 2011 Hyundai Sonata with almost 100,000 miles on it, and it’s been an amazing car. Still gets 35 MPG on the freeway, and runs super smooth. I have only changed oil and had to finally replace the brakes and rotors after 90k miles. We just bought a 2025 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid Limited for my wife, and it’s super luxury!
Car and DRIVER BEST 2024, 2025 LUXURY 3 ROWS; XC90 #3, SQ7 #4 . . . “based on roughly 200 data points encompassing acceleration, handling, comfort, cargo space, fuel efficiency, value, and how enjoyable they are to drive.” C/D SAYS: “Now in its tenth year since its last full redesign, the 2025 Volvo XC90 remains a compelling and impressive choice among mid-size luxury crossovers.”
@@billurban1581I drive a 2025 cayenne gts pebble grey and a 2022 m5 comp matte black. Volvo is nowhere near the Germans, it’s a Kia at most. Volvo might be ranked first bc it’s cheap that’s why ppl voted for them, it’s affordable piece of shit
Hyundai and Kia are entry level cars for those who want a “luxury” car but cannot afford one. Both of those car mfrs have a long list of poor reliability.
You're giving too much credit to a single YT influencer. There's lots of big car channels out there. By the same token this channel gives too much credit to JD Power surveys. Brand reputations change slowly over time based on value, ownership experience, reliability and resale value.
@@121476 …6.8 million subscribers…he’s laughing all the way to the bank…after one minute of hearing him yell and then up comes the donkey image and im done
I like Scotty because he’s part of that breed of people who actually gets his hands dirty and has worked on probably hundreds and hundreds of cars. He does operate like it’s 2005 but compare that to most every other auto journalists who just talk about those things from their desk or…from the seat of a car. No offense to Zack and Andrea of course. Love them but I think it’s good to get a balance on all things automotive, even if it’s old school like Scotty.
Great show as always, still partying in Texas over Election results as the Socialist got kicked down the street! Hopefully Canada will follow as well! Change your oil at 3000 mikes on first change to get the trash out during break in period!
What is it with US/ Canada where vehicles need oil changes every 5000km (that's 3000 miles) in UK many of the same models have 10,000, 12,000 or even 15,000 mile oil change intervals. Why are we indoctrinated with this 5000km figure?? Sure years ago when oils were not the quality they are now it may have been necessary, but now, I don't think so.
The best mom and dad energy on YT. Love y’all. ❤
Thanks for the entertaining and informative vids Andrea and Zack. I had a 2005 Hyundai SF (3.5L) for 10 years and the only problem aside from brakes, tires, etc. was that my rotors warped after only around 40k miles and I only had 1 recall (the very last year I had the car) for a bolt on each tie rod end that was rusting. I went to the dealer and they resolved that in about 45 minutes. In 2015 I traded it in (with only 65K miles on it) for a 2016 SF Sport which I still own (9 years old). I've had 5 recalls on it but it has never given me any issues at all. I'd like to also mention that I do not even burn / lose a drop of oil between oil changes which I get about every 4,500 miles. I love to drive around town in manual mode (car seems to have much more power) and when I get on open highway I just put the gear selector in "drive". I'm a 75 year old who still likes to have fun driving. I've never had to add oil to either car between oil changes and I've enjoyed both Hyundai's I've owned and intend to get a Tucson or Sportage next spring.
I have a love/ hate relationship with Hyundai/kia. I lost my 2008 Hyundai entourage to engine failure at 7 years. Currently own 2019 Kia Sorento EX and 2020 Kia sportage EX tech. Love both vehicles but both burn oil and starting to make that bad engine pinging. I’m super diligent with oil changes- all via dealership while under warranty. Thinking of getting rid of these because of my entourage failed. My brother just had his 2017 Santa fe engine replaced due to oil consumption issues. My father-in-law is constantly topping up his 2017 Sante Fe with oil and his dealership shafted him by telling him the oil consumption monitoring program is not available. It is- I just enrolled with my Sorento. I convinced him to trade it in for a Buick envision avenir (thanks to Zack and Andrea). Finally, my next door neighbour Kia optima has engine knock issues. It seems every Kia - Hyundai around me has issues- I’m looking to sell mine for Japanese vehicles. I’ve trusted Zach for decades- but my experience and confidence with Kia- Hyundai is just not there anymore. Still watch this channel religiously. Best channel on YT, especially for us Canucks.
my brother got 2020 hyundai and ALREADY burning OIL!
less than 20,000 mile.
@@markgagliardi1774 junk products it’s a scam of a car company I’ve had friends with problem I wouldn’t buy that crap
My neighbor has been through 2 Sante Fes over the past 5 years. Both bought at the dealership, both had engine failures. So what’d he do? He bought another one! 3rd times a charm right?
I have enjoyed you two for years! About time I told you so. Warmest greetings from “across the pond” - Victoria BC!
That's so wonderful to hear, thank you very much, we appreciate the support.
I’ve never driven a Hyundai or Kia but that’s an interesting way to look at it. I was curious about Mazda myself in the future.
You can buy vehicles that you like rather than for reliability. That tells me you have the financial ability to not worry about paying for repairs after the warranty expires and constantly running to the dealer for repairs. Many people today, myself included, buy a vehicle because of the reliability because I keep my vehicles for many years and do not have that luxury.
Also many of us are 1 car families, we don't have the luxury to have multiple cars to chose from in our driveways.
its just too much hassle to go KIA or hyundai dealer everytime recall notices arrive.
Drove a Skoda with a manual in Austria a few years ago. When you stopped and let out the clutch in neutral the engine stopped. As soon as you pushed in the clutch the engine started up automatically. I loved it.
I've been in a situation where THREE WEEKS was the wait for an oil change on my F150. I just went to another dealer. You might think the selling dealer would be more accommodating. Then, the same dealership spilled oil all over my Maverick when it went in for its first oil change. They had moved to a newer facility which had a rapid lube lane but using a funnel was beyond their capabilities. I've given up on them. These are not free oil changes, and I expected a little more care as the Maverick's fill port is so easy to reach.
I'm a limberjack and i'm OK, love wearing flannel shorts.
I own a Kia Sorento EX 2020 and i luv it. No problems, no recalls.
there is fire safety recall on 2020 sorento. you need to park your car outside.
"Owners are advised to park outside and away from structures until the recall repair is complete." D
Recall date
2022-09-18
Recall no.
22V703000
Kia America, Inc. (Kia) is recalling certain 2016-2022 Sorento, 2021-2022 Sorento Hybrid (HEV), 2022-2023 Sorento Plug-In Hybrid (PHEV), and 2017-2022 Sportage vehicles equipped with a tow hitch harness installed as original equipment, or purchased as an accessory through a Kia dealership. Debris and moisture accumulation on the tow hitch harness module printed circuit board (PCB) may cause an electrical short, which can result in a fire.
Hide details
Recall consequence
A fire while parked or driving can increase the risk of injury.
Recall action
Owners are advised to park outside and away from structures until the recall repair is complete. Dealers will inspect the vehicle, and, as necessary, replace the fuse and/or tow hitch harness module, free of charge. Owner notification letters were mailed August 11, 2023. Owners may contact Kia customer service at 1-800-333-4542. Kia's number for this recall is SC249.
6:22 I recently bought a manual transmission Jeep Wrangler and am happy to report it did come with (to my surprise) with adaptive cruise control (as well as regular non-adaptive cruise control). It also comes with auto stop-start (which doesn't bother me most of the time). Obviously as soon as I start to put the clutch in to shift down, the ACC turns itself off. There's no hill holder but fortunately it has a traditional handbrake and I learned a long time ago how to use that when starting on a hill.
The HR-V in the US & Canada should definitely be coming..
We have the ZR-V hybrid here in the U.K. which is the same as your HR-V, we have another car named the HR-V to complicate things!
Here the ZR-V Hybrid has the same powertrain as the Civic Hybrid and is available as 2WD only.
Warranty is only good as the company that doesn’t fight you over it.
Warranty until you need it then they are not covered
My 2019 Santa Fe ultimate can only be replaced with a Genisis. Gv70. No other vehicle under 75k is as well equipped. 185000km. No issues
Design and equipment doesn’t mean jack if reliability isn’t there. Having worked on cars with 400,000 kms, I have never seen a Hyundai or Kia with half of that mileage. Subarus, Mazdas, Toyotas and even some fords, GMs, and Chryslers with that.
changing your oil is easy with the VW cars , if your keeping the vehicle for years then more frequent oil changes is cheap insurance compared to oil related damage in the engine.
The engine failures issues with HKG will happen no matter how often you change the oil. It isn't a maintenance issue, it is a design issue. As per a Kia master technician.
Unfortunately, my experience has been dramatically different from Andrea's mother with the identical car. It has been at the dealers for the last 8 weeks after being in for 3 of the first 6 months that I owned it. Yet, I do love the car when it is working, and hopefully it will be again after they replace the battery.
I am really sorry to hear this, I hope it works out after the repairs are done.
Check in. QCC ftw!
Funny story: I drove my 2007 Camry SE to the "pit stop" line at my Toyota/Lexus Dealer and the young Technician who brings the cars over the pit area couldn't figure out the 5-speed manual transmission w/Momo solid aluminum (unmarked) shift knob. They had to borrow a Mechanic from the service area who knew how to drive manual.
A manual transmission is an anti-theft device.
For Lexus products, or any brand they represent, in New Jersey find a Ray Catena dealership they only charge MSRP on all vehicles.
I sold 4, 2021 Toyota hybrids a year later to buy 4, Fords. Fords have been good to me in the past and now! I buy what I want.
A warranty is not much help if your car leaves you by the side of the road or sits at the dealership for extended periods of time waiting to be fixed.
Rather than a quick lube place, go to a Firestone or Goodyear dealer to change the oil.
They mess up a lot today too, unfortunately kids aren’t going into automotive mechanics anymore. So the shortage on ase certified experienced mechanics
@@LafemmebearMusic No company should be paying a certified mechanic to do oil changes.
Tucson Hybrid owner here. I have 30 years of reservations but decided to given them a chance.
Cons then Pros
USA has a longer warranty but less consumer protection here, so there are some horror stories about the warranty claims denied.
Kia/Hyundai was the poor credit brand. Their dealers reputation.... were scummy. That said. Nissan and Mazda were also, at one point.
Hyundia/Kia' 4 cycl. Theta engines failures caused a lot of headaches for alot people. even if they replace your engine, how much time and money was lost... what about the people that do not have a 2nd car or mass transit?
Kia Boyz Theft in the US.
Alot of people had their cars stolen due to the lack of a security chip/transponder, and the Key tumbler was the shape of a USB, making them easy to steal. This lead to insurance companies denying coverage for affected models.
Pros.
Some of the early 2000s models are were just as reliable as the Japanese counterparts but had no styling differences, leading to the copycat reputations.
But the 2010s was bad.
The 1.6's were safe. But they had may lawsuits that decade. So buyer beware of used models.
Hyundai Assurance 2009.
remember the world financial crisis? Hyundai let you return your car if you lost your job during the WFS. Other companies mimick this program durng C19.
If SHTF in the next few years, I expect Hyundai/Kia would do the same
Hyundai Heavy industries, steel, parts suppliers and electronics are all integrated. That family owns half of South Korea.
cross shop and test drive. are Honda or Toyota better build? mostly yes. is it $x more? mostly no.
in traffic, where I live, they drive better than most.
Totally disagree that Honda Toyota builds are better. The quality and finish of HKG is better. That's the attraction...
I work as a technical expert for car insurance companies and leasing companies. I see damaged engined on a weekly basis, but not because of oil changes that are 2.000 miles overdue, but because of 30.000 kilometer oil change intervals. A lot of modern engines are damaged before the first regular oil change.
Wow, that's terrible, who would wait that long?! Thanks for feedback.
But are they really? Yeah, you could go on YT and see dozens of oil-guy videos with alarmist tests on the amount of metallicity in the first oil change... but does that actually mean anything to the real-world longevity of the engine? It's not like cars are prematurely dying because they followed the factory schedule instead of doing a short first oil change interval.
@@stuntmonkey00 I think I know who you mean by 'alarmists', they often test the oil after the break in period. So you can expect a lot of metal contents in your oil. I am referring to factory prescribed oil change intervals, together with low viscosity oil. Last week I had to inspect a three year old Volvo V60 with 180.000 km's. The car only had 5 oil changes over this period ( not even a break-in oil change) and was just out of warranty. All of this is according to the manufacturers specifications. It now needs a 15.000 euro engine replacement because all rod and main bearings are gone.
@@Carnold_YT Ah. I see. Yeah, 30,000 is way long for an interval.
Sorry Andrea, thought I was clicking on the new Buick review but I'm a bit early, so now enjoying coffee questions and cars 🎉
Awesome! Yes, the Buick Enclave review should drop in a few weeks or so. Still filming it this week but enjoy Questions, Coffee and Cars. Our Honda Odyssey review drops tomorrow, how you enjoy it.
Plaid shirts forever!
Can you tell me when I should expect the VW Taos dues to release in Florida?
We will be driving it the second week of December in Texas. Stay tuned!
Need to come up with a ……..Zack’s heritage, Scottish” Spencer” tartan plaid shirt😊🤔
14:40 is Honda getting a hybrid odyssey is the better question.
The hybrid crosstrek in 2026/2027 is going to mop the floor with the subcompact class
On oil: ‘98 V70 5 cyl bought new (now 230K), ‘95 Dakota V6 bought in ‘97 (now 285K)synthetic once a year myself, neither engine ever apart, no appreciable oil consumption.
Thank you for your view on Hyundai/Kia. I was thinking about giving them a look, but have reliability reservations. I did test drive a Genesis SUV and was impressed.
I’ve had my 2023 Hyundai Santa Fe Hybrid for just over a year, and no problems. I love it!
The Genesis dealer network is not a lot
Most likely, a Hyundai dealership will end up servicing your Genesis though 😂
@@kennethawesome I agree, Genesis dealerships are not readily accessible. Fortunately, I live in a large city and there is a new Genesis dealership that just opened close to me. I have not decided on a Genesis, but want to keep all options open. I also like Lexus so I still have lots to research before I buy.
@@theshield44- Keep it for 15+ years like I have done with our Hondas and Toyotas, then tell us what your experience is.
I'm always sad when the show ends because I really enjoying listening to you two. I haven't owned a car for 25 years now (I use public transit - yes, the darn buses!) but I do rent a vehicle from time to time. I always enjoy the vehicles I get (low expectations) however, I had to take a Mitsubishi RVR a few months ago due to a lack of vehicles. What a dog. Bow wow! Gee, thanks Ent*rpr*se! 😛
Hyundai and Kia have been converging in reliability to Toyota and Honda, this is just a fact. As quality gets closer to equal, the features and style and value is going to take priority.
Resales values show reliability and what consumers think. Until these converge (if ever) Kia/Hyandai reliability still behind Toyota and Honda. Perhaps they will merge but that's an assumption yet to be proved.
That’s why I sold my Kia. The long term value was horrible. I loved my Sportage but from 2022 to 2024… in 2 years, I lost $14,000 value on it. I had the 2023 Sportage prestige. I just think that if I ever get another Kia, I won’t buy the top of the line.
Why the heck isn’t that warranty available in Canada 🇨🇦 ??
When I was working for honda, I wanted an HR-V because I thought they were nice, practical & cheap...I decided against it because my insurance person told me it was too slow & should get a civic 🤣
Oil changes
Hyundai likes putting Quaker state
If we use liquid Molly or Royal purple is that better?
My beef with Hyundai/Kia is their parts cost. I had a 2015 Sedona that for some reason needed an engine computer module replacement at 6 years old; nowhere could do it but the dealership, and parts/labour was $3000 CDN. It was outrageous, it would have been half the price at GM and that's bad enough. I really liked the vehicle, it was easy to work on too, but I sold it quick, and I'd be hesitant to buy another Kia that was out of warranty.
ALL car companies have issues. Be wary of those that don’t issue recalls for them.
I would like to mention something about the Kia/Hyundai warranty in Canada that everyone seems to be overlooking. It’s only 5 years in Canada and that doesn’t cover the electronics. The electronics is only covered for 3 years.
Isn't the Lexus GX the one with an engine recall because the engines are failing?
I've had three Hyundai's. A 2011 Sonata Limited I put 140,000 miles on. Traded it for a 2019 Elantra Sport, now with 38,000 miles. Two months ago, my wife traded her 2017 CR-V for a 2025 Santa Fe Hybrid AWD. All three have been fantastic vehicles. At 63, I've become a Hyundai fanboy.
Our 2013 Santa Fe has 247,000 km and still going strong
That's awesome, good to hear and thanks for sharing.
@@db5351 Great!!
Got two Hyundai Elantras (2013), a Mazda 3sport (2015 ) and a 2009 Civic sport. The difference is in the handling and interior quality materials used n the Japanese brands over the Hyundais. Hyundais definitely have worn prematurely and their light bulbs wear out prematurely also. Overall they’ve been dependable mechanically.
Hi guys ❤🎉
Technically the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is a 3 row? But that third row is only for children being punished…
It makes a perfect doggie bench though.
Andrea is right about Hyundai’s history. I remember back in the late 80’s through most of the 90’s, Hyundai’s were the butt of all jokes related to automobiles. I remember test driving a ‘98 Hyundai Excel. It felt like it was held together with duct tape and glue and the powertrain was anemic. Having said that, I know Hyundai has improved 1000% but personally, they do nothing for me. They’re great vehicles but not something I’m interested in driving.
If I go 2000k over on an oil change I’m still within the manufacturer recommended time of 8000k 😅 I change mine every 5000k (3000 miles). Yea it’s overkill but I’ve always done it and never had an engine failure. Oil is cheap insurance.
Any data on the trade - in resale values on Hyundai / Kia... say 5 years maybe vs the Japanese and German manufactures ? $$$$$ ...might be part of the bigger picture
You can go to another garage or a dealer of another brand. I would pre😂that over a quick lube place.
It's an oil change. Relax. over the past 40 years I've never done them more than twice per year, never gone to the same place twice, and never had engine problems. Most cars I've had over 200,000 km.
I’d like to know what make/model car you’re in?
We are in our Porsche Cayenne Diesel
2.60? Maybe everything isn’t bigger in texas. I’m considering 4.39 in CA pretty damn cheap right now which.. is sad
The Hyundai/Kia/Genesis warranty in the US is 10 years/100,000 mile warranty is ONLY on the drivetrain...
Called a local so cal dealer and they told me 11K over MSRP. I laughed.
@3:00 The difference in warranty between Canada and the US? Has it got anything to do with our winters?
Driver assist: has driving skills gotten so bad that we need driver's assist?
Doubt it. The U.S. has just as nasty winter weather as Canada in some states, and severe climates we don’t have. My guess is it’s an attempt to gain more market share, since the U.S. market is huge compared to Canada.
It may be true in some Northern states but not everywhere.
7 passenger PHEV? If willing to go full EV, there is the Kia EV9 or, for more $, the Rivian R1S, Volvo EX90 or, soon, Lucid Gravity
There is also the Hyundai Ioniq9 that is being launched this month
In australia they call zr-v and it hybrid.
Been driving my 2023 Genesis GV70 for the last 7 months. 0 issues and I look forward every day to drive it. I couldn’t recommend that car enough. Give the brand a chance and you will not be disappointed.
2023 car better not have any issues regardless of car company
no thanks i will stick with germans
I love my Pathfinder. Yes, the gas mileage is not great. Still the same for 2025. Likely changes in 2026.
See if it changes. The Murano is finally get a redesign including a new engine. Gone will be the 3.5 V6 with CVT, and in will be a turbo-4 cyl with less HP, although the torque will be up. Well the new 4-cyl will get literally the same fuel economy mileage as the old V6. A bit disappointing to see this. Wonder if the Pathfinder will see something similar ?
@ it’s going to get the same VC Turbo as the 25 QX-60 I believe.
@@magnoliap5824 hopefully Pathfinder can still lug something and will get better fuel economy.
Seeing the Murano in a V6 get the same fuel economy numbers as its incoming 4-cyl turbo..is a bit disheartening
@@Jwpgr84 yeah currently it tows 6,000 pounds
I was once a Hyundai/Kia hater. Until i observed what the brand was doing and started my own research. I was amazed at what i could get for the money! I bought a 2017 Hyundai Elantra Limited when it was new. 7 years later, there were no mechanical issues and still under warranty. And it's the most reliable car I ever owned. I still get compliments on my car. Some people think it's an Audi or BMW the way it looks. I call it the "Korean Jetta." And it makes sense because Hyundai/Kia/Genesis has German designers and engineers. My car is well equipped for being 7 years old. I have memory seating, navigation, power sunroof, tilt side mirrors, smart cruise control, heated front and rear seats, and was the 1st compact mainstream car to offer Apple Carplay/Android Auto at the time. This is why I chose it over Civic and Corolla. The features I have now are still not offered on newer models of the Civic and Corolla. Which says a lot. Now I'm ready for an upgrade. The new 2025 Kia K4 GT-Line turbo is at the top of my list! I can't wait for it to hit dealer lots!
Does TX really have gas that inexpensive? I'm paying close to $5./gal. and that's not even Cal pricing.
Probably. Here in SC it's right under $3 so I would suspect TX can have gas at that price
@@paulh6096 Crazy!! I'd like to pay what you're paying, too!! lol
Only the communist west coast is still paying high gas prices.
So hill assist is like a motorcycle clutch?
Hello again from Grand Rapids, MI.
What car are they in now? Looks like a roomy SUV
Porsche Cayenne diesel
There has not been a more successful spin-off like QC&C since the Jeffersons aired 1975.
Movin on up!
Hyundai and Kia have shit longevity and because of that they have shit resale value. They are throwaway cars. And that's why they're not loved.
I wouldn't buy Hyundai or Kia because of their crazy designs and pushy dealerships 😮
And SHIT dealerships!!
Im thinking in 10 years or so we will start to see more affordable cars again. I do not forsee this upscaling continuing forever. Like a camry now is nicer than a Lexus of 10 years ago. People will eventually not be able to afford it and then we will start to see a car where they focus on cheap reliable cars like an old Toyota corolla from 2005
The bumper to.bumper warranty is not 10 years. It's only 3 years
Actually it's 5 but who's counting.
But going back in forth for 10yrs for kia/h cars.. in America are major issues.. stay with Toyota... but 99% are poor and need reliability !!!
I use to have 2010 Hyundai Tucson for 14 years over 150 thousand km and I traded for 2024 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid both I had no problem. Cheers! Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
That Tucson was really good to you, you didn't have any problems really.
@ Yes ! Is it awesome? 👍🏻
Y'all have got to stop with the starbucks! ❤
I have been driving a Hyundai and Genesis since 2014 and I have had 0 issues.
What car are you always sitting in?
Our Porsche Cayenne
Agree The Hyundai Kia group today are amazing, arguably building better and more exciting cars than Toyota...
I bought a 2007 Hyundai Entourage new and traded it in 2015 with 300,000 miles. No issues, other than had to replace the headlights a few times and regular maintenance. My next car was a 2015 Subaru Forester, which also gave me no problems until the transmission went at 260,000 miles. On my 2nd Forester now and love it other than I wish it had more horsepower.
The service at the dealerships is NOT amazing. The service is getting worse and has been declining hugely for several years now.
Your plaid shirt is purple, not blue.
I drove a Hyundai Sonata a few months ago after exclusively owning and driving Audis. I felt stupid for spending so much on Audis over all these years! It is true when they say that with Hyundai you get value for money. The true definition of Audi really is overpriced junk.
The problem with Hyundai and Kia specifically here in Canada. Is Brand image. I’m sure they have great products and interior is great, But! I’m sorry I will not buy one because you’re look down on for having a Kia not so much Hyundai. These brands are basically value brands.
Except they are priced the same as everyone nowadays
"quality is not important to us" - well duh, because dealerships will treat you like celebrities. In case of us - regular people, who are struggling to get buy in today's economy - reliability is #1 concern. Quite sad to see that more and more of your videos you only care about gizmos "latest technology" and so on, mostly advising on buying cars 60+ grands in price.
I'm feeling more and more disconnection due to this tbh, which is sad because I like your format in general.
I'm a regular consumer and quality scores are not my #1 determining factor when looking for a car. Hence, I'm not interested in any Toyota product. So not everyone buys based on quality being #1.
I am so lucky to own a FORD MAVERICK HYBRID, FORD RULES.
Kia/Hyundai should improve increase their warranty in Canada 100k miles is 160k km and there should be 10 Years warranty of 160k in Canada Just like USA 🇺🇸
I can't and won't forget how easy it was to steal all those kias and Hyundais
Hundai group has traditionally been bad. The new ones have not been around long enough to know if it has changed
Hyundai and Kia are killing it recently. I am a big fan. I have a 2011 Hyundai Sonata with almost 100,000 miles on it, and it’s been an amazing car. Still gets 35 MPG on the freeway, and runs super smooth. I have only changed oil and had to finally replace the brakes and rotors after 90k miles.
We just bought a 2025 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid Limited for my wife, and it’s super luxury!
A 126k Q7 down to a 70k Volvo phev. Massive downgrade
Car and DRIVER BEST 2024, 2025 LUXURY 3 ROWS; XC90 #3, SQ7 #4 . . . “based on roughly 200 data points encompassing acceleration, handling, comfort, cargo space, fuel efficiency, value, and how enjoyable they are to drive.”
C/D SAYS: “Now in its tenth year since its last full redesign, the 2025 Volvo XC90 remains a compelling and impressive choice among mid-size luxury crossovers.”
@ xc90 ain’t shit. Kia level at most. Audi is a expensive luxury brand not some knockoff shit
@@sugarhog1938sugar, I’d apply for a consultant position at Car and Driver so you could explain what they’re doing wrong. Ask for work from home.
@@billurban1581I drive a 2025 cayenne gts pebble grey and a 2022 m5 comp matte black. Volvo is nowhere near the Germans, it’s a Kia at most. Volvo might be ranked first bc it’s cheap that’s why ppl voted for them, it’s affordable piece of shit
Hyundai and Kia are entry level cars for those who want a “luxury” car but cannot afford one. Both of those car mfrs have a long list of poor reliability.
2019 Hyundai Kona,at 30 000 k,transmission went,one of the worst piece of garbage in Canada, Hyundai/Kia
Scotty Kilmer is still operating like it's 2005. That's the problem
You're giving too much credit to a single YT influencer. There's lots of big car channels out there. By the same token this channel gives too much credit to JD Power surveys. Brand reputations change slowly over time based on value, ownership experience, reliability and resale value.
@@James-il3tqwell said
He pedals old information, stereotypes without data to back it up. Just listen to him (or DONT).
@@121476 …6.8 million subscribers…he’s laughing all the way to the bank…after one minute of hearing him yell and then up comes the donkey image and im done
I like Scotty because he’s part of that breed of people who actually gets his hands dirty and has worked on probably hundreds and hundreds of cars. He does operate like it’s 2005 but compare that to most every other auto journalists who just talk about those things from their desk or…from the seat of a car. No offense to Zack and Andrea of course. Love them but I think it’s good to get a balance on all things automotive, even if it’s old school like Scotty.
2700 kmcover is not good for an engine. Most people should be doing their oil in half the time the manual says
Great show as always, still partying in Texas over Election results as the Socialist got kicked down the street! Hopefully Canada will follow as well! Change your oil at 3000 mikes on first change to get the trash out during break in period!
What is it with US/ Canada where vehicles need oil changes every 5000km (that's 3000 miles) in UK many of the same models have 10,000, 12,000 or even 15,000 mile oil change intervals. Why are we indoctrinated with this 5000km figure?? Sure years ago when oils were not the quality they are now it may have been necessary, but now, I don't think so.
Some of these people should buy a bus
Trump 2024!
Yes please 🇺🇸🗽🙏
@@James-il3tq first time I hear about this car brand LOL
@@justinandout it’s the best brand of car.. haha
Oh dear
Hyundai and Kia have been throw away cars in the past. Going to take a long time to overcome their past.