What if God is the villian? Imagine you take your child to his first day of Kindergarten. You kiss him goodbye and give him a hug. "Obey your teacher, ok?. I'll be here after lunch. Love you", you tell him before you leave him in a wonderful room of toys and color. Alone with the kids, the teacher tells them "Sit at that table but don't touch the crayons because they are poisoned". The table has some paper, scissors, glue, and a box of 144 shiny crayons of every imaginable color. The crayons, of course, are not poisonous because who the fuck puts poisoned crayons in a kindergarten table?. Now there is some other lady that the teacher hired to sit in the classroom, and she tells the kids "with those crayons, you can make drawing like those in the cork board, over by the door". So one of the kids grabs a crayon. The teacher, seeing a child with a forbidden crayon, hollers "He has a crayon, if he also grabs a piece of paper, he can make drawings like me", and she tosses not just that kid but every kid in the classroom and kicks them to the curb, under the rain, without their jackets, to shiver and get cold until they have children of their own who will also shiver and get cold forever because one child once grabbed a crayon that wasn't really poisonous. After generations of shivering under the rain, the teacher plans to send someone with umbrellas for those who cry "pretty please", but not before randomly driving her car over groups of them for no good reason. At whose house would you like to spend the night, the teacher or the lady that told the kids they could make drawings with the crayons? Satan gets a bad rap as the "great deceiver" but he is always consistent and true to his nature. God is always shifting and changing his mind about everything while Satan just is what it is. God tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit (that he created and plants in the middle of the garden of Eden), he will die. Satan, who God created and allowed in the garden, tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit, he will know good from evil. Man eats the forbidden fruit and knows good from evil. And doesn't die. Who is the villain here? Then God already unmasked as a liar and seeing man gain power, decides to kick man outside the garden of Eden, not as a punishment, but so that he doesn't eat from the Tree of Life and become like God. That's God's justice: Block your creation from gaining power. Yeah, he has a plan to save people from his own punishment but only those who cry "Uncle!" and after some floods and the occasional fire and brimstone showers. So I don't think the Satan character is that bad, at least not as bad as the God character. Lucifer has been Betrayed by everyone who he cared about He Loved his brothers and his father like think about it Your father is focusing more on work than his own kid And Actually loves his Work more than his kid than Once you start to have your own opinion and Your own free will You get kicked outta the house for doing things That would make you stand out Like how some religion goes He was an angel before He was Satan That's just marketing we think the Devil is evil all because we read from books but none of us we're there To witness What really went down in heaven and how Lucifer actually fell Nobody has actually seen the devil because I really think Lucifer isn't evil Also does this Theory come to mind god created everything and yet Hes stronger than Lucifer and pretty much anything and he's God after all does it make you think To that He doesn't care about you one bit because Of he actually cared about any of us he would actually stop the so called evil instead of blaming the devil for Everything Some people don't know hell and stuff Lucifer ain't just walking around down there he'd actually held prisoner apparently the lowest point in hell is his Prison he can only start illusions down there to make it come with contact with people But overall I think God Made people this way and I hate how Humanity can Commit evil shit and blame Satan like fr"The Devil Made me Do it!" like take some responsibility for once I may be crazy For defending Satan but the man Isn't what you think he is still an angel to me just a very broken angel who lost everything he ever cared about so When the world turned its back on him he turned on everyone else sorry for those who are religion I'm on both sides here gods and Satan's But I wanna hear both stories Because I wasn't there to witness anything.
If it's truth that you seek with the intensity u showed in your comment... Then you should or you may already have gone through all the religious scriptures... I mean all of it, irrespective of the religions we have on earth. We are created by God and someday we will be taken back to where we belong... Let's keep it simple... Even though everything is complicated ( which is fact ). With the majority level of understanding and eventually carrying out our lives to it's end in this world. We should just keep the most sensible and most appropriate logical understanding we have of this existence of life and where we would be after we die. There's a higher power who created us... We agree ? Yes we do. So what's our purpose ? To lead and live a righteous life for ourselves and the generation we leave behind. Why so ? To just bring peace into all our lives till the world comes down to it's end. So when we agree to all of it... That means we are gonna be somewhere after we die... Death ain't the end. With all the cruelty and injustice happened and which is gonna happen... They all deserve a conclusion... " justice" to be precise. So now God is the one who we rely onto... Now " LUCIFER " We humans from 2023 now... Can never actually witness to what exactly happened before time... Or before our existence... But we can surely believe our God who has clearly stated that Lucifer is the biggest threat to whole of humanity. Before feeling for the Satan... Just remember you are a human. Care for what is needed for your life and afterlife... Not just for ourselves but for the generations to come by. Mind can cross its limits... That's the reason scriptures are sent in every era for it's people. To get hold of that mind of ours... Which is being played exceptionally by Satan himself. There's a lot we don't know... And we would never know All we can do is trust the God who created us and try to live a beautiful righteous life. I can go on and on.... But I'm already tired and would just expect this all to make sense in your head. ❤
A few things. Crayon analogy is weird, more like "in this colorful room of crayons you can play with any crayon you want, just don't grab the active hand grenade on the table" Also, God said that if they eat the fruit they will die, because simply telling them what it will actually do might not sound as severe and mistake them into not being as opposed to doing what they were told not to do. Like if your toddler kid keeps trying to grab the steering wheel while you're driving on the freeway you don't tell him "hey you grabbing the steering wheel is bad but it won't really do anything because I'm in control of the car" you tell them "if you do that we might crash or get hurt" (even though you probably won't because a toddler being obnoxious like that won't overpower the steering wheel). Third, you talk about the knowledge of good and evil like it's some mundane, maybe even positive things that Lucifer graciously bestowed them. Like no... Adam and Eve didn't know of evil before eating it, only good. That's why God wanted them to keep away from it. Having the knowledge of evil after eating the fruit is what caused the downwards spiral of people learning what evil is and pursuing it on their own free accord. This isn't a "one kid made a lil mistake and got kicked out in the rain for all his future children to also be out in the rain" this is a "a kid was given a choice to obey and stay in the colorful room at the happy table, or cast himself out into the rain by preforming a dangerous irredeemable act he was warned about". And even so, after that, the reason all the others down the line will have to suffer out in the rain is because of what I said before. Teaching your kind the knowledge of evil isn't just something that gets you in trouble, it carries on to everyone you make. In the end they were warned not to let anything deceive them or convince them to eat the fruit, they disobeyed an instruction BLATANTLY created to keep them SAFE, and it was told to them as such! They reaped the harvest of the seeds they planted. Lucifer damned Adam and Eve, and Adam and Eve damned humanity. It wasn't God's choice for them to do that, it was their choice to give us the knowledge of yes, good, but also along with it wars, genocide, cheating, stealing, selfishness, and all other evils. So now all we can do is instead of baselessly blame God, fight against the nature given to us by the choices that bleed down from our peers and ancestors.
One more thing also is, we both keep using the analogy of toddlers which is a faulty and false metaphor. Because the reasoning I see you using is "they are comparable to toddlers because they were just created and are the first people, they are new!" But that doesn't do Adam and Eve justice. Because they are not toddlers. They are fully grown adults who were actually alive many many years before the events that took place 😂 they were created curious and enthralled with all this unseen stuff around them, sure, but they were made with mature minds (not that of toddlers) and they were smart enough to have common sense, as displayed numerous times in the bible. Bro they literally conceived children right after being banished from Eden. Not exactly something people with toddler minds experiment with 😅 So they were fully aware and able to comprehend that what they were doing was wrong, and they were mature and developed enough to stop themselves had they chosen and not be confused as to why they are in trouble. As a matter of fact after they ate the fruit they actually HID from God in the garden because they knew they disobeyed and faced the consequences. They were developed, mature, and aware.
@@BigfootRAHHH If sin comes from the tree of knowledge, then Adam and Eve are just as naive as toddlers and have been for all their years in Eden. Knowledge comes from experience, and if you live a sheltered life where nothing threatens you, then you never learn what consequences are. They know what sex is not because they're adults, but because God wants them to do it. To truly understand the threat of death, you have to experience it. Cain wouldn't have understood that rock + head = Abel's dead, because nobody ever died before him. Once you have an idea of what death is, you're probably going to try and avoid it just like they did. Humans in the bible are basically kids playing with matches and only understanding the danger of fire once they get burned.
Lucifer rebelled because of what God was doing with humanity. Picture your parents having a ton of kids, and then abandoning them all to focus on their miniature toys they made 😅 Lucifer was really just the big brother who played the bad guy to stick up for his siblings.
"The great thing about apologies is that you don't have to mean them. I lie and tell Sam I'm sorry all the time." You're not exactly helping the situation, Dean.
@@bluewolf860I loved it, I just think they couldnt execute it that well because of how powerful God is. Super cool to see it turned on Its head and have him be more evil than Lucifer but at that point how do you even make 2 humans realistically(for this Universe at least) defeat GOD
@@TheScribe1.0 I just read that Misha was originally casting for the role of the demon, and Mark Pellegrino was the main contender for the role of Castiel
@@thefoeofdrip1184 ur going the right way with this but your so far away for wat it is . Why are these shows all tied to the bible. Variants and paradies or watever. Its all like the roman circus but not even that. In a way its like another form of a way to curropt the truth even more. Like concerts are built like a church. Churches are built like a concert. It went over everyones head but im convinced soon everything will be known. I hope its not too late tho
Facts and when you look at the comments you see why 😩 Mischa as Lucifer was terrible so corny and cartoony he did the character no justice thank goodness they bought Pellegrino (Nick the first vessel) back.
Y’know, if I had a nickel for every time a popular prime time show interpreted the conflict between God and Lucifer as a dysfunctional father / son relationship…. I’d have TWO nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice…..
Not to mention this show tries to make us empathize with Lucifer, which wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t paint Michael out as the bad guy. It’s like why does Sam get out the cage and not Adam, why did they go to the cage to get Lucifer and not Michael oh yeah because the most powerful being in existence besides God and Death is weak and going crazy in there while Lucifer is chilling, perfectly fine SMH
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 I mean, Michael definitely is a bad guy. I agree that they basically shoved aside Adam. But I understand why they had Michael go kinda crazy. Since Michael was loyal to his father, God, to a fault. He believed that everything he was doing was out of his love for his father. And in the end, what's the result? He gets locked in the cage along with Lucifer, and God does nothing. Despite everything Michael "did" for God. So I'm guessing this kinda world shattering revelation is why Michael went crazy. Because he believed he was such a good son to God and he ends up trapped in the cage with his "freak of a brother, Lucifer." Lucifer was already in the cage and so even though he was pissed at being back, it wasn't such a shock and shattering event so he didn't go insane.
I think the worst thing that happened with the storyline is that we never got to see Cas reaction to Chuck being God. Especially after he went on a whole quest looking for him and losing faith in him before being brought back by him after dying
1:47 Sam and Dean having Vietnam style ptsd flashbacks to arguments with John. John Winchester was a mere mortal. But to those boys that man was Father, judge, jury, executioner and yes god.
To put it lightly, f#$k scriptures. Religions are all just made up to make us feel like we're special and know everything we need to know already. Its glorified complacency and its pointless because proof will never be shown while you're alive. God's manner and intentions are so completely alien, so juxtaposed from anything we could conceptualize with our small minds, its just not something that's even worth wasting your time while alive on. Just live you live and be nice to people.
I most *certainly* have to side with Lucifer here in this scene. God should've actually had more compassion and concern for his Son, Lucifer, than the lesser creations known as humanity/humankind especially since they're so damn messy, chaotic, inferior, *extremely/vastly* imperfect and tainted to ever deserve *that* much compassion and concern from a higher power/being/force in the first place anyways.
I think you are being a little harsh here, there are many fantastic and wonderful people out there , people need to have a little more compassion for each other , instead of being angry because you were treated a certain way because not everyone will do that. That’s the problem too many people now believe this and it is rupturing society.
@@bradmiller4999 Sorry if *you* feel that I'm being "too harsh" here, but hey, the truth always is anyway 🤷🏽♂️. And while there are *some* fantastic and wonderful people out there, there's actually *not* as "many" of those types of people out there as you claim there are, people *need* to do a lot of things, but do they? *NO!.* And ftr, it's got nothing to do with "being angry because so and so were treated a certain way" either, this merely comes from a *lifetime's worth* of pure observation of and firsthand experience with the human species and while not *everyone* will do that, the *vast majority* in fact do *just* that. And *that* right there is the problem, too many blind, oblivious optimists are still trying to hold on to certain ideals and it is turning the focus away from the *very real* problems/issues that exist in this world and that are still continuing on to this very day.
@@alsimmons4504I’m sorry you see the world through that lens… but you can’t lose hope. Jesus died for ALL of us to have a chance at salvation. It’s true, our flesh is wicked, but we are created in the image of God. The love of our Father is such a precious gift, especially since we’re ALL messed up. You are no different than the others you judge. I pray that you find God’s love though.
Sam really does understand Lucifer because honestly chuck is no different than John. Maybe if John apologized before Sam ran away in the first place maybe Sam would have never went to Stanford! Like what Sam said sometimes you just need to apologize
It doesn't matter if Lucifer was dark deep down I think chuck knew that the mark was going to corrupt people who bear the mark he just didn't care. Maybe if chuck had a soul which I'm sure he doesn't if he did maybe he wouldn't be such a douchebag. Think about how he didn't feel anything when he killed Jack that's his grandson for fuck sake before the final season...
@defAngel The Darkness (Amara/God’s sister) was released from her prison when the Mark of Cain was removed from Dean. The Winchester’s were convinced that the only one who could help them fight was Lucifer since he had done it before but they were tricked into summoning him and Castiel allowed Lucifer to enter his body. Jimmy Novak’s soul was sent to heaven so Castiel’s body belongs to him and since angels/archangels need permission to possess a vessel, Castiel being desperate to help allowed Lucifer to possess him.
I'm sorry I don't agree with Lucifer. While I do understand where he's coming from I don't think that he understands the actual position that he has had. he was able to actually speak to God, know him, know his face ,know his actual rules regulations and things of that nature . so I do understand him being used for The Mark of Cain to lock her away I do agree that that was wrong , however I also understand that being the Creator our God ( however people would like to put it ) there is a lot of big decisions that must be made in order to maintain the balance. If he allowed Lucifer to continue on his path the darkness would have been overwhelmed in my personal opinion that being said I do understand where Lucifer is coming from but I also understand where God is coming from because he has created everything. Why humanity is flawed , well we were created in that nature. we were given these choices. I do understand that the Lucifer is coming as the first child wear a lot of responsibilities and rules and regulations and then seeing his younger siblings being able to get away with more things then he was able to get away with so I do understand how that can cause frustration however his younger siblings IE mankind don't get to talk to God like that don't get to have an argument with God don't get to see God's face we have to pray to God I hope he answers. there are different levels . I don't agree with how he was fully treated I do understand the whole picture to maintain balance. I think that if people are having greed and selfishness and to be narcissistic and things of that nature those have to also be traces that come from God it can't just be something that we just came up with on our own .bI'm not saying that God is bad I do love my Creator however I'm saying there must be some bad flaws in God just like there are good so you can't blame him for being a bad father when he created the whole world. there was no rule book on how to be a father when he was the first father 🤷🏿♀️
What if God is the villian tho actually? Like There's a Balance he's not good or evil just a Dick? Imagine you take your child to his first day of Kindergarten. You kiss him goodbye and give him a hug. "Obey your teacher, ok?. I'll be here after lunch. Love you", you tell him before you leave him in a wonderful room of toys and color. Alone with the kids, the teacher tells them "Sit at that table but don't touch the crayons because they are poisoned". The table has some paper, scissors, glue, and a box of 144 shiny crayons of every imaginable color. The crayons, of course, are not poisonous because who the fuck puts poisoned crayons in a kindergarten table?. Now there is some other lady that the teacher hired to sit in the classroom, and she tells the kids "with those crayons, you can make drawing like those in the cork board, over by the door". So one of the kids grabs a crayon. The teacher, seeing a child with a forbidden crayon, hollers "He has a crayon, if he also grabs a piece of paper, he can make drawings like me", and she tosses not just that kid but every kid in the classroom and kicks them to the curb, under the rain, without their jackets, to shiver and get cold until they have children of their own who will also shiver and get cold forever because one child once grabbed a crayon that wasn't really poisonous. After generations of shivering under the rain, the teacher plans to send someone with umbrellas for those who cry "pretty please", but not before randomly driving her car over groups of them for no good reason. At whose house would you like to spend the night, the teacher or the lady that told the kids they could make drawings with the crayons? Satan gets a bad rap as the "great deceiver" but he is always consistent and true to his nature. God is always shifting and changing his mind about everything while Satan just is what it is. God tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit (that he created and plants in the middle of the garden of Eden), he will die. Satan, who God created and allowed in the garden, tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit, he will know good from evil. Man eats the forbidden fruit and knows good from evil. And doesn't die. Who is the villain here? Then God already unmasked as a liar and seeing man gain power, decides to kick man outside the garden of Eden, not as a punishment, but so that he doesn't eat from the Tree of Life and become like God. That's God's justice: Block your creation from gaining power. Yeah, he has a plan to save people from his own punishment but only those who cry "Uncle!" and after some floods and the occasional fire and brimstone showers. So I don't think the Satan character is that bad, at least not as bad as the God character. Lucifer has been Betrayed by everyone who he cared about He Loved his brothers and his father like think about it Your father is focusing more on work than his own kid And Actually loves his Work more than his kid than Once you start to have your own opinion and Your own free will You get kicked outta the house for doing things That would make you stand out Like how some religion goes He was an angel before He was Satan That's just marketing we think the Devil is evil all because we read from books but none of us we're there To witness What really went down in heaven and how Lucifer actually fell Nobody has actually seen the devil because I really think Lucifer isn't evil Also does this Theory come to mind god created everything and yet Hes stronger than Lucifer and pretty much anything and he's God after all does it make you think To that He doesn't care about you one bit because Of he actually cared about any of us he would actually stop the so called evil instead of blaming the devil for Everything Some people don't know hell and stuff Lucifer ain't just walking around down there he'd actually held prisoner apparently the lowest point in hell is his Prison he can only start illusions down there to make it come with contact with people But overall I think God Made people this way and I hate how Humanity can Commit evil shit and blame Satan like fr"The Devil Made me Do it!" like take some responsibility for once I may be crazy For defending Satan but the man Isn't what you think he is still an angel to me just a very broken angel who lost everything he ever cared about so When the world turned its back on him he turned on everyone else sorry for those who are religion I'm on both sides here gods and Satan's But I wanna hear both stories Because I wasn't there to witness anything.
Sam is the best impersonalisation of Lucifer. Ever. It made me cringe to watch Misha, sorry. I don't like Chuck as God either, to counterbalance the opinion. The dialogue was good though, only it would have been terrific if it came out of other actors' mouths.
I don't understand why they didn't have the original Lucifer actor playing Lucifer during all this. They clearly had his available since he was in earlier episodes of the same season. This was such a waste of both Lucifer, Castiel AND Misha Collins and ruined the whole thing.
Because his previous vessel was too damaged and Castiel believed that by allowing Lucifer to take possession of his body, it would allow them to have a better chance at besting Amara.
Thank goodness they bought Pellegrino back to play Lucifer. Whoever thinks Castiel was any good as Lucifer needs their head checked he was not very good at all smh
He was fine.. However, Lucifer has changed many vessels (Sam, Castiel, a Rock Star, a Priest and the President of the United States).. Each one of them at the time for some episodes were fine..but the original Lucifer was Nick...aka Pellegrino.
It always disappointed me that when they inserted God they made this portrayal of him, this show as great was it was suffered the fact it lasted too long, is better to wrap in the highest moment , that would be after season 5 for me .
@@holyjolias3229 some jokes unfortunately went wrong on Spn and thats a pity since it was meant to be a drama and not dramedy. Another example imho is Becky and all her pursuits of Sam and flirting with how crazy fandom was, like bros being at convention,reading slash. Yes, we were kind of crazy, but allso supportive as hell. Unfortunately me and at least a dozen people stopped watching because of that. 😶
@olgasapiete4871 some of the Fandom is like that tho. If you were offended, then you must've been in the toxic fan group. Glad you stopped watching. We don't need toxic people in our Fandom/family.
@@susanberrier5727 You don't know a fly about those people and you call them (my friends), and me I assume, a toxic group just because they lost interest or don't find some jokes funny? That's a little far fetched, mildly speaking. I've seen toxic, believe me. People who started fandom wars, pairing wars, character hating, actor hating, ugly rumors (truly ugly, not just rumors that exist for basically every show or actor) and so on. Maybe you make yourself watch/do everything that you stop enjoying? Personally, I'd not be here if I left the fandom. I also do other things in the fandom STILL. So don't speak in the name of the "family" what it needs.
Wtf is this show... And how is this God and Lucifer 😭 I dont mind them sitting around but aint he supposed to be omnipotent or something, he can just do anything.
God in the show was god then after creation he felt conflicted and left heaven to live amongst humans, mankind believes god had abandoned them when god had been there the whole time, here the series portrays god with having faults; leaving his post to step away from the action parallels to how the bible and mythos writings stop in real life as we await for judgement. They have near-omnipotence where god knows almost everything, because he says he gave us free will he never wanted to be fully in control, also God and Lucifer are blinding and need human forms in order to interact with the planet thats why they have chosen to depict themselves as a wayward son and a middle aged father
I'm gonna make one extra offering to Beelzebub today because of your comment. Nothing fancy, will probably be like a chicken cutlet or something. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to get a live ram on short notice these days.
What if God is the villian?
Imagine you take your child to his first day of Kindergarten. You kiss him goodbye and give him a hug. "Obey your teacher, ok?. I'll be here after lunch. Love you", you tell him before you leave him in a wonderful room of toys and color.
Alone with the kids, the teacher tells them "Sit at that table but don't touch the crayons because they are poisoned". The table has some paper, scissors, glue, and a box of 144 shiny crayons of every imaginable color. The crayons, of course, are not poisonous because who the fuck puts poisoned crayons in a kindergarten table?.
Now there is some other lady that the teacher hired to sit in the classroom, and she tells the kids "with those crayons, you can make drawing like those in the cork board, over by the door". So one of the kids grabs a crayon.
The teacher, seeing a child with a forbidden crayon, hollers "He has a crayon, if he also grabs a piece of paper, he can make drawings like me", and she tosses not just that kid but every kid in the classroom and kicks them to the curb, under the rain, without their jackets, to shiver and get cold until they have children of their own who will also shiver and get cold forever because one child once grabbed a crayon that wasn't really poisonous.
After generations of shivering under the rain, the teacher plans to send someone with umbrellas for those who cry "pretty please", but not before randomly driving her car over groups of them for no good reason.
At whose house would you like to spend the night, the teacher or the lady that told the kids they could make drawings with the crayons?
Satan gets a bad rap as the "great deceiver" but he is always consistent and true to his nature. God is always shifting and changing his mind about everything while Satan just is what it is.
God tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit (that he created and plants in the middle of the garden of Eden), he will die. Satan, who God created and allowed in the garden, tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit, he will know good from evil.
Man eats the forbidden fruit and knows good from evil. And doesn't die.
Who is the villain here? Then God already unmasked as a liar and seeing man gain power, decides to kick man outside the garden of Eden, not as a punishment, but so that he doesn't eat from the Tree of Life and become like God. That's God's justice: Block your creation from gaining power.
Yeah, he has a plan to save people from his own punishment but only those who cry "Uncle!" and after some floods and the occasional fire and brimstone showers.
So I don't think the Satan character is that bad, at least not as bad as the God character.
Lucifer has been Betrayed by everyone who he cared about He Loved his brothers and his father like think about it Your father is focusing more on work than his own kid And Actually loves his Work more than his kid than Once you start to have your own opinion and Your own free will You get kicked outta the house for doing things That would make you stand out Like how some religion goes He was an angel before He was Satan That's just marketing we think the Devil is evil all because we read from books but none of us we're there To witness What really went down in heaven and how Lucifer actually fell Nobody has actually seen the devil because I really think Lucifer isn't evil Also does this Theory come to mind god created everything and yet Hes stronger than Lucifer and pretty much anything and he's God after all does it make you think To that He doesn't care about you one bit because Of he actually cared about any of us he would actually stop the so called evil instead of blaming the devil for Everything Some people don't know hell and stuff Lucifer ain't just walking around down there he'd actually held prisoner apparently the lowest point in hell is his Prison he can only start illusions down there to make it come with contact with people But overall I think God Made people this way and I hate how Humanity can Commit evil shit and blame Satan like fr"The Devil Made me Do it!" like take some responsibility for once I may be crazy For defending Satan but the man Isn't what you think he is still an angel to me just a very broken angel who lost everything he ever cared about so When the world turned its back on him he turned on everyone else sorry for those who are religion I'm on both sides here gods and Satan's But I wanna hear both stories Because I wasn't there to witness anything.
If it's truth that you seek with the intensity u showed in your comment... Then you should or you may already have gone through all the religious scriptures... I mean all of it, irrespective of the religions we have on earth.
We are created by God and someday we will be taken back to where we belong... Let's keep it simple... Even though everything is complicated ( which is fact ). With the majority level of understanding and eventually carrying out our lives to it's end in this world. We should just keep the most sensible and most appropriate logical understanding we have of this existence of life and where we would be after we die.
There's a higher power who created us... We agree ? Yes we do. So what's our purpose ? To lead and live a righteous life for ourselves and the generation we leave behind. Why so ? To just bring peace into all our lives till the world comes down to it's end.
So when we agree to all of it... That means we are gonna be somewhere after we die... Death ain't the end.
With all the cruelty and injustice happened and which is gonna happen... They all deserve a conclusion... " justice" to be precise.
So now God is the one who we rely onto...
Now " LUCIFER "
We humans from 2023 now... Can never actually witness to what exactly happened before time... Or before our existence... But we can surely believe our God who has clearly stated that Lucifer is the biggest threat to whole of humanity.
Before feeling for the Satan... Just remember you are a human. Care for what is needed for your life and afterlife... Not just for ourselves but for the generations to come by.
Mind can cross its limits... That's the reason scriptures are sent in every era for it's people. To get hold of that mind of ours... Which is being played exceptionally by Satan himself.
There's a lot we don't know... And we would never know
All we can do is trust the God who created us and try to live a beautiful righteous life.
I can go on and on.... But I'm already tired and would just expect this all to make sense in your head.
❤
A few things. Crayon analogy is weird, more like "in this colorful room of crayons you can play with any crayon you want, just don't grab the active hand grenade on the table"
Also, God said that if they eat the fruit they will die, because simply telling them what it will actually do might not sound as severe and mistake them into not being as opposed to doing what they were told not to do. Like if your toddler kid keeps trying to grab the steering wheel while you're driving on the freeway you don't tell him "hey you grabbing the steering wheel is bad but it won't really do anything because I'm in control of the car" you tell them "if you do that we might crash or get hurt" (even though you probably won't because a toddler being obnoxious like that won't overpower the steering wheel).
Third, you talk about the knowledge of good and evil like it's some mundane, maybe even positive things that Lucifer graciously bestowed them. Like no... Adam and Eve didn't know of evil before eating it, only good. That's why God wanted them to keep away from it. Having the knowledge of evil after eating the fruit is what caused the downwards spiral of people learning what evil is and pursuing it on their own free accord.
This isn't a "one kid made a lil mistake and got kicked out in the rain for all his future children to also be out in the rain" this is a "a kid was given a choice to obey and stay in the colorful room at the happy table, or cast himself out into the rain by preforming a dangerous irredeemable act he was warned about". And even so, after that, the reason all the others down the line will have to suffer out in the rain is because of what I said before. Teaching your kind the knowledge of evil isn't just something that gets you in trouble, it carries on to everyone you make.
In the end they were warned not to let anything deceive them or convince them to eat the fruit, they disobeyed an instruction BLATANTLY created to keep them SAFE, and it was told to them as such! They reaped the harvest of the seeds they planted. Lucifer damned Adam and Eve, and Adam and Eve damned humanity. It wasn't God's choice for them to do that, it was their choice to give us the knowledge of yes, good, but also along with it wars, genocide, cheating, stealing, selfishness, and all other evils. So now all we can do is instead of baselessly blame God, fight against the nature given to us by the choices that bleed down from our peers and ancestors.
One more thing also is, we both keep using the analogy of toddlers which is a faulty and false metaphor. Because the reasoning I see you using is "they are comparable to toddlers because they were just created and are the first people, they are new!"
But that doesn't do Adam and Eve justice. Because they are not toddlers. They are fully grown adults who were actually alive many many years before the events that took place 😂 they were created curious and enthralled with all this unseen stuff around them, sure, but they were made with mature minds (not that of toddlers) and they were smart enough to have common sense, as displayed numerous times in the bible. Bro they literally conceived children right after being banished from Eden. Not exactly something people with toddler minds experiment with 😅
So they were fully aware and able to comprehend that what they were doing was wrong, and they were mature and developed enough to stop themselves had they chosen and not be confused as to why they are in trouble. As a matter of fact after they ate the fruit they actually HID from God in the garden because they knew they disobeyed and faced the consequences. They were developed, mature, and aware.
@@BigfootRAHHH If sin comes from the tree of knowledge, then Adam and Eve are just as naive as toddlers and have been for all their years in Eden. Knowledge comes from experience, and if you live a sheltered life where nothing threatens you, then you never learn what consequences are. They know what sex is not because they're adults, but because God wants them to do it.
To truly understand the threat of death, you have to experience it. Cain wouldn't have understood that rock + head = Abel's dead, because nobody ever died before him. Once you have an idea of what death is, you're probably going to try and avoid it just like they did. Humans in the bible are basically kids playing with matches and only understanding the danger of fire once they get burned.
Lucifer rebelled because of what God was doing with humanity. Picture your parents having a ton of kids, and then abandoning them all to focus on their miniature toys they made 😅 Lucifer was really just the big brother who played the bad guy to stick up for his siblings.
"The great thing about apologies is that you don't have to mean them. I lie and tell Sam I'm sorry all the time." You're not exactly helping the situation, Dean.
Funny thing is Chuck really took that line personally and decided to lie to apologize to get Lucifer to help out
"You heard that, right?" = "See what I had to deal with!?"
God's face when Sam says Lucifer is right is great! 😂
And Lucifer was like,
"Wait, I am? I AM!"
One of the last moments when Chuck could still be considered a good person.
I didn't like at all the fact that they turned God as the ultimate villain...
@@bluewolf860I loved it, I just think they couldnt execute it that well because of how powerful God is. Super cool to see it turned on Its head and have him be more evil than Lucifer but at that point how do you even make 2 humans realistically(for this Universe at least) defeat GOD
@@bluewolf860it was a good idea with a solid beginning but the writers and the non existent budget messed it all up.
I just noticed Chuck is wearing chucks.
"Ok. Enough from the peanut gallery."
I think Misha was the most scary version of lucifer. At least until the later seasons.
Damn. Misha was FANTASTIC as Lucifer 😆
It is ironic that the main contender for the role of Castiel there was Mark Pellegrino (Lucifer)
@@ayanakaede.. I think that's why he was hired as Lucifer
@@ayanakaede.. lol it would have been a totally different show if he was cast. Maybe in a positive way. But Pellegrinos Lucifer was so cool too.
@@ayanakaede..hat are you saying? Did Mark Pellegrino audition for the role of Castiel, but ended up getting the role of Lucifer?
@@TheScribe1.0 I just read that Misha was originally casting for the role of the demon, and Mark Pellegrino was the main contender for the role of Castiel
you know this episode feels like the reason Lucifer the tv show got started just wanted more interaction of lucifer
No, this episode released almost 4 months after the Lucifer TV series premiered.
@@thefoeofdrip1184 ur going the right way with this but your so far away for wat it is . Why are these shows all tied to the bible. Variants and paradies or watever. Its all like the roman circus but not even that. In a way its like another form of a way to curropt the truth even more. Like concerts are built like a church. Churches are built like a concert. It went over everyones head but im convinced soon everything will be known. I hope its not too late tho
And this is when the show became a parody of a parody of itself.
Facts and when you look at the comments you see why 😩 Mischa as Lucifer was terrible so corny and cartoony he did the character no justice thank goodness they bought Pellegrino (Nick the first vessel) back.
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 Kinda funny how you say that and the comment above says "I think Misha was the most scary version of lucifer." Lol.
This show was a fucking masterpeice
Y’know, if I had a nickel for every time a popular prime time show interpreted the conflict between God and Lucifer as a dysfunctional father / son relationship….
I’d have TWO nickels.
Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice…..
I love it
I love how many people make the two nickels reference. Though I do worry that before long people will forget the origins
@@nobodyspecial9800if I had a nickel for every time people used that quote template... I'd be making bank, man.
Not to mention this show tries to make us empathize with Lucifer, which wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t paint Michael out as the bad guy. It’s like why does Sam get out the cage and not Adam, why did they go to the cage to get Lucifer and not Michael oh yeah because the most powerful being in existence besides God and Death is weak and going crazy in there while Lucifer is chilling, perfectly fine SMH
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 I mean, Michael definitely is a bad guy. I agree that they basically shoved aside Adam. But I understand why they had Michael go kinda crazy.
Since Michael was loyal to his father, God, to a fault. He believed that everything he was doing was out of his love for his father. And in the end, what's the result? He gets locked in the cage along with Lucifer, and God does nothing. Despite everything Michael "did" for God.
So I'm guessing this kinda world shattering revelation is why Michael went crazy. Because he believed he was such a good son to God and he ends up trapped in the cage with his "freak of a brother, Lucifer."
Lucifer was already in the cage and so even though he was pissed at being back, it wasn't such a shock and shattering event so he didn't go insane.
should God have been more compassionate? Sure. But Lucifer couldnt answer the last question for a good reason
Exactly
"Peanut gallery"
Me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think the worst thing that happened with the storyline is that we never got to see Cas reaction to Chuck being God. Especially after he went on a whole quest looking for him and losing faith in him before being brought back by him after dying
Chuck starts off the "I AM" in his opening line. hahaha
1:47
Sam and Dean having Vietnam style ptsd flashbacks to arguments with John.
John Winchester was a mere mortal. But to those boys that man was Father, judge, jury, executioner and yes god.
Chuck: Why should I put you first over all others?
Me: That's exactly what you're first to do, though
Our captivity is ending AHAYAH has redeemed Jacob
This God version is a little closer to the Bible God, but after this season they completely went against scripture.
No one cares about scripture.
Exactly. This wasn’t created by the 700 club. It’s a science fiction show.
To put it lightly, f#$k scriptures. Religions are all just made up to make us feel like we're special and know everything we need to know already. Its glorified complacency and its pointless because proof will never be shown while you're alive. God's manner and intentions are so completely alien, so juxtaposed from anything we could conceptualize with our small minds, its just not something that's even worth wasting your time while alive on. Just live you live and be nice to people.
What Scripture? Before or after the Council of Nicea?
@@RuffianLivesOnwrongo
1:05 b…but I am….I’m the lord…..
I most *certainly* have to side with Lucifer here in this scene. God should've actually had more compassion and concern for his Son, Lucifer, than the lesser creations known as humanity/humankind especially since they're so damn messy, chaotic, inferior, *extremely/vastly* imperfect and tainted to ever deserve *that* much compassion and concern from a higher power/being/force in the first place anyways.
I think you are being a little harsh here, there are many fantastic and wonderful people out there , people need to have a little more compassion for each other , instead of being angry because you were treated a certain way because not everyone will do that. That’s the problem too many people now believe this and it is rupturing society.
@@bradmiller4999 Sorry if *you* feel that I'm being "too harsh" here, but hey, the truth always is anyway 🤷🏽♂️. And while there are *some* fantastic and wonderful people out there, there's actually *not* as "many" of those types of people out there as you claim there are, people *need* to do a lot of things, but do they? *NO!.* And ftr, it's got nothing to do with "being angry because so and so were treated a certain way" either, this merely comes from a *lifetime's worth* of pure observation of and firsthand experience with the human species and while not *everyone* will do that, the *vast majority* in fact do *just* that. And *that* right there is the problem, too many blind, oblivious optimists are still trying to hold on to certain ideals and it is turning the focus away from the *very real* problems/issues that exist in this world and that are still continuing on to this very day.
@@alsimmons4504"issues".
@@sstrykert "denial".
@@alsimmons4504I’m sorry you see the world through that lens… but you can’t lose hope. Jesus died for ALL of us to have a chance at salvation. It’s true, our flesh is wicked, but we are created in the image of God. The love of our Father is such a precious gift, especially since we’re ALL messed up. You are no different than the others you judge. I pray that you find God’s love though.
Sam really does understand Lucifer because honestly chuck is no different than John. Maybe if John apologized before Sam ran away in the first place maybe Sam would have never went to Stanford! Like what Sam said sometimes you just need to apologize
enough from the peanut gallery 💀💀
It doesn't matter if Lucifer was dark deep down I think chuck knew that the mark was going to corrupt people who bear the mark he just didn't care. Maybe if chuck had a soul which I'm sure he doesn't if he did maybe he wouldn't be such a douchebag. Think about how he didn't feel anything when he killed Jack that's his grandson for fuck sake before the final season...
I clearly didn’t see all of this particular season. How did Cass become a vessel for Lucifer!? I thought he was an angel too…
@defAngel The Darkness (Amara/God’s sister) was released from her prison when the Mark of Cain was removed from Dean. The Winchester’s were convinced that the only one who could help them fight was Lucifer since he had done it before but they were tricked into summoning him and Castiel allowed Lucifer to enter his body.
Jimmy Novak’s soul was sent to heaven so Castiel’s body belongs to him and since angels/archangels need permission to possess a vessel, Castiel being desperate to help allowed Lucifer to possess him.
@@lordrao1793 ahhh gotcha. That makes sense. I’m going to watch it. Thanks.
What the heck did I just watch
I'm sorry I don't agree with Lucifer. While I do understand where he's coming from I don't think that he understands the actual position that he has had. he was able to actually speak to God, know him, know his face ,know his actual rules regulations and things of that nature . so I do understand him being used for The Mark of Cain to lock her away I do agree that that was wrong , however I also understand that being the Creator our God ( however people would like to put it ) there is a lot of big decisions that must be made in order to maintain the balance. If he allowed Lucifer to continue on his path the darkness would have been overwhelmed in my personal opinion that being said I do understand where Lucifer is coming from but I also understand where God is coming from because he has created everything. Why humanity is flawed , well we were created in that nature. we were given these choices. I do understand that the Lucifer is coming as the first child wear a lot of responsibilities and rules and regulations and then seeing his younger siblings being able to get away with more things then he was able to get away with so I do understand how that can cause frustration however his younger siblings IE mankind don't get to talk to God like that don't get to have an argument with God don't get to see God's face we have to pray to God I hope he answers. there are different levels . I don't agree with how he was fully treated I do understand the whole picture to maintain balance. I think that if people are having greed and selfishness and to be narcissistic and things of that nature those have to also be traces that come from God it can't just be something that we just came up with on our own .bI'm not saying that God is bad I do love my Creator however I'm saying there must be some bad flaws in God just like there are good so you can't blame him for being a bad father when he created the whole world. there was no rule book on how to be a father when he was the first father 🤷🏿♀️
What if God is the villian tho actually? Like There's a Balance he's not good or evil just a Dick?
Imagine you take your child to his first day of Kindergarten. You kiss him goodbye and give him a hug. "Obey your teacher, ok?. I'll be here after lunch. Love you", you tell him before you leave him in a wonderful room of toys and color.
Alone with the kids, the teacher tells them "Sit at that table but don't touch the crayons because they are poisoned". The table has some paper, scissors, glue, and a box of 144 shiny crayons of every imaginable color. The crayons, of course, are not poisonous because who the fuck puts poisoned crayons in a kindergarten table?.
Now there is some other lady that the teacher hired to sit in the classroom, and she tells the kids "with those crayons, you can make drawing like those in the cork board, over by the door". So one of the kids grabs a crayon.
The teacher, seeing a child with a forbidden crayon, hollers "He has a crayon, if he also grabs a piece of paper, he can make drawings like me", and she tosses not just that kid but every kid in the classroom and kicks them to the curb, under the rain, without their jackets, to shiver and get cold until they have children of their own who will also shiver and get cold forever because one child once grabbed a crayon that wasn't really poisonous.
After generations of shivering under the rain, the teacher plans to send someone with umbrellas for those who cry "pretty please", but not before randomly driving her car over groups of them for no good reason.
At whose house would you like to spend the night, the teacher or the lady that told the kids they could make drawings with the crayons?
Satan gets a bad rap as the "great deceiver" but he is always consistent and true to his nature. God is always shifting and changing his mind about everything while Satan just is what it is.
God tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit (that he created and plants in the middle of the garden of Eden), he will die. Satan, who God created and allowed in the garden, tells man that if he eats the forbidden fruit, he will know good from evil.
Man eats the forbidden fruit and knows good from evil. And doesn't die.
Who is the villain here? Then God already unmasked as a liar and seeing man gain power, decides to kick man outside the garden of Eden, not as a punishment, but so that he doesn't eat from the Tree of Life and become like God. That's God's justice: Block your creation from gaining power.
Yeah, he has a plan to save people from his own punishment but only those who cry "Uncle!" and after some floods and the occasional fire and brimstone showers.
So I don't think the Satan character is that bad, at least not as bad as the God character.
Lucifer has been Betrayed by everyone who he cared about He Loved his brothers and his father like think about it Your father is focusing more on work than his own kid And Actually loves his Work more than his kid than Once you start to have your own opinion and Your own free will You get kicked outta the house for doing things That would make you stand out Like how some religion goes He was an angel before He was Satan That's just marketing we think the Devil is evil all because we read from books but none of us we're there To witness What really went down in heaven and how Lucifer actually fell Nobody has actually seen the devil because I really think Lucifer isn't evil Also does this Theory come to mind god created everything and yet Hes stronger than Lucifer and pretty much anything and he's God after all does it make you think To that He doesn't care about you one bit because Of he actually cared about any of us he would actually stop the so called evil instead of blaming the devil for Everything Some people don't know hell and stuff Lucifer ain't just walking around down there he'd actually held prisoner apparently the lowest point in hell is his Prison he can only start illusions down there to make it come with contact with people But overall I think God Made people this way and I hate how Humanity can Commit evil shit and blame Satan like fr"The Devil Made me Do it!" like take some responsibility for once I may be crazy For defending Satan but the man Isn't what you think he is still an angel to me just a very broken angel who lost everything he ever cared about so When the world turned its back on him he turned on everyone else sorry for those who are religion I'm on both sides here gods and Satan's But I wanna hear both stories Because I wasn't there to witness anything.
they really should have stopped after lucifer was back in his cage, family counseling between god and lucifer really?
Yeah I never made it past Season 5. Show just kept getting worse
@@david.the.disasterif you never made it past that then how the fuck do you know?? Lol
Family shouldn't fight
Agreed completely. God and Lucifer reuniting should be Apocalypse 2.0, not family counseling.
Sam is the best impersonalisation of Lucifer. Ever. It made me cringe to watch Misha, sorry. I don't like Chuck as God either, to counterbalance the opinion. The dialogue was good though, only it would have been terrific if it came out of other actors' mouths.
brendonself right we there god would you have done about you it lock Amara
i have to side with luci here. He just wanted to be treated like a son
This would have been better if it was mark pellegrino vs rob bennedict. js
Agreed but i didn't like Rob Bennedict as God..I don't know why..I do like him as an actor though
I don't understand why they didn't have the original Lucifer actor playing Lucifer during all this. They clearly had his available since he was in earlier episodes of the same season. This was such a waste of both Lucifer, Castiel AND Misha Collins and ruined the whole thing.
Why is Luci in Cas’s body?
Because his previous vessel was too damaged and Castiel believed that by allowing Lucifer to take possession of his body, it would allow them to have a better chance at besting Amara.
They were in the cage, Lucifer was beating the three, he was punching Cass and he asked "can you really defeat Amara? So, yes" and Lucifer entered him
Thats when show went downhill. Its cringe when lucifer storm of to his room.
Thank goodness they bought Pellegrino back to play Lucifer. Whoever thinks Castiel was any good as Lucifer needs their head checked he was not very good at all smh
He was fine.. However, Lucifer has changed many vessels (Sam, Castiel, a Rock Star, a Priest and the President of the United States).. Each one of them at the time for some episodes were fine..but the original Lucifer was Nick...aka Pellegrino.
ROFl Hpepfully I i don’t catch fire .
It always disappointed me that when they inserted God they made this portrayal of him, this show as great was it was suffered the fact it lasted too long, is better to wrap in the highest moment , that would be after season 5 for me .
Dean, Sam seem to be doing fine until you opened your 👄 and inserted your 🦶😅.
Adorable little low budget show
Low budget that went 15 seasons
Longest running Sci-fi show in American entertainment btw
@@chris9242 scifi...? Hahaha
@@somerandomguyfromtheintern480 fantasy is what I meant, my bad
@@somerandomguyfromtheintern480yes. Sci fi
They tried to make this a joke?
Religion is a joke. These shows are nothing but jokes. Seems appropriate.
@@HallyVeeExactly 💯
@@holyjolias3229 some jokes unfortunately went wrong on Spn and thats a pity since it was meant to be a drama and not dramedy. Another example imho is Becky and all her pursuits of Sam and flirting with how crazy fandom was, like bros being at convention,reading slash. Yes, we were kind of crazy, but allso supportive as hell. Unfortunately me and at least a dozen people stopped watching because of that. 😶
@olgasapiete4871 some of the Fandom is like that tho. If you were offended, then you must've been in the toxic fan group. Glad you stopped watching. We don't need toxic people in our Fandom/family.
@@susanberrier5727 You don't know a fly about those people and you call them (my friends), and me I assume, a toxic group just because they lost interest or don't find some jokes funny? That's a little far fetched, mildly speaking. I've seen toxic, believe me. People who started fandom wars, pairing wars, character hating, actor hating, ugly rumors (truly ugly, not just rumors that exist for basically every show or actor) and so on. Maybe you make yourself watch/do everything that you stop enjoying? Personally, I'd not be here if I left the fandom. I also do other things in the fandom STILL. So don't speak in the name of the "family" what it needs.
Wtf is this show...
And how is this God and Lucifer 😭
I dont mind them sitting around but aint he supposed to be omnipotent or something, he can just do anything.
God in the show was god then after creation he felt conflicted and left heaven to live amongst humans,
mankind believes god had abandoned them when god had been there the whole time, here the series portrays god with having faults;
leaving his post to step away from the action parallels to how the bible and mythos writings stop in real life as we await for judgement.
They have near-omnipotence where god knows almost everything, because he says he gave us free will he never wanted to be fully in control, also God and Lucifer are blinding and need human forms in order to interact with the planet thats why they have chosen to depict themselves as a wayward son and a middle aged father
So much blasphemy
This is so blasphemous… and dangerous. This is literally trying to gain empathy for the DEVIL. Remember that. Rebuke this in the name of Jesus Christ
Is just a series tv
Relax. It’s just a TV show, it’s not real.
I'm gonna make one extra offering to Beelzebub today because of your comment. Nothing fancy, will probably be like a chicken cutlet or something. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to get a live ram on short notice these days.
@magnusolsen691 not funny at all
@@ivotenotocensorship5247 If everyone's laughing but you, that means you're the joke.