@@thecandymannConsidering how many lands you need for a deck, 1 of each color still doesn’t seem worth the $30-40, even if you sell the colors you don’t want or need. You might as well just buy them 2nd hand.
My only exception here would be the Bob Ross lands because A: many people got both foil and non-foil for the price of one, and B: they make a nice collector item, being art from the late Bob Ross' catalogue.
I got into an argument over misprints and value over the Circular Logic "misprint". I told a guy don't buy it for the misprint value as all of them are misprints. Turns out it's the most expensive version of Circular Logic at like 3 dollars
It's the most expensive because it was part of the secret lair. So you are still entirely correct, especially because you lose a lot of money on the other cards. I would only buy it if I loved the art style (I'd probably only pay $5 for the set, if the cards in it weren't playable)
@mikeoxmal1028 correct. Thank you for supporting my point. I was so focused on how over price and under valued the cards were, i forgot about the quality control issues plaguing Secret Lairs! Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Of you want your cards to look nice, don't buy Secret Lairs!😇
My take is, wizards has to announce some trash secret lairs with worthless cards so that they can say they know nothing about the secondary market and packs are not gambles.
I got two of these layers because i liked the art and i play half the cards in them. Plus it's funny when you get a judge call for playing a bad counter spell. Twice in one match, sweats gonna sweat.
I love circular logic's misprint, honestly. It inspired me to make a custom card: "Buffoonery" U, sorcery "Choose one: counter target spell, or scry 2". Yes, a sorcery speed counter. The idea is that you need a wizards of thay effect to play it. But if you have that effect, the reward is a 1-mana counter without a downside. The scry 2 is just to keep it from bricking TOO hard if you don't have such an effect.
Never understood why reprint value matters so much - these are collector pieces, i'd rather have a 50 cents card i play a lot than a 20 dollars reprint that is barely used
Exactly. Secret lair is meant to be like, collector pieces at times. So like the value might not be worth it but as a collection piece? I would totally get the LotR ones.
I think because "reprint value" roughly correlates to playability. I'm fine with secret lair sol rings or basic lands because those card will have a home in some deck of mine, regardless of what a mechanically identical card could have cost me. The Lord of the Rings secret lair was so egregious because frankly those cards are just draft chaff at best. Like Shire Terrace isn't even good color-fixing for Limited, what constructed deck is that going into? I'll never show these cards off in play.
If I'm gonna be honest, don't care? Like secret layers aren't really meant to be competitive boosters. They're collectives with fancy art or weird cards. If they're good in a format, great, if not, just have them as a thing to look at and slot in your jank or casual decks.
Most recent ebay sale(I looke up sold and not asking) I see two recent sales, 3 individual cards at about 70 CAD and a full set at 81 CAD. Not exactly the greatest ROI for a set, but definitely has some value. The real problem though is finding someone who wants to pay that, value is subjective and you can only get what someone wants to pay you for it
I feel as if it is meant to do both, if I'm spending 30 dollars or 35 with shipping I should enjoy the art and get some amount of value Half of the time WOtC just puts in whatever bulk or just rare cards worth nothing or they literally sell 5 different lands for 30 dollars which no matter how you explain it is going to be a bad deal
@@harkyz4439 suppose you’re right, it was just moreso my prerogative that I feel quite a bit of MTG players agree with since I can’t really justify to myself spending that much on cards that quite literally don’t have value aside from the nice art But on the other hand people can justify just because they like the art so it is probably just not a product for me 🤷
The lack of traitor guardsmen shows how much love GW gives to chaos. Especially since they worship the dark powers they should be naturally more powerful from their gifts.
@@michaelkelsey4918 see if this was a collectable card game then that would work but magic is currently a weird monetary subscheme akin to stocks/bonds/Bitcoin/crypto.
Excluding the 5 basic land packages, i assume.....
5 basic land packages are sleepers... A lot of those lands end up 5$+ a piece
@@thecandymannConsidering how many lands you need for a deck, 1 of each color still doesn’t seem worth the $30-40, even if you sell the colors you don’t want or need. You might as well just buy them 2nd hand.
My only exception here would be the Bob Ross lands because A: many people got both foil and non-foil for the price of one, and B: they make a nice collector item, being art from the late Bob Ross' catalogue.
Only ones I bought were the snow basics. Because I needed 1 of each for my field of the dead lands deck
@@thecandymann that's just pure collectors value
I only bought the Godzilla lands back when the basic lands Secret Lairs were $20...
Now its about 60-70 but I have to cop it soon since Iam Kaiju freak : D
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I got into an argument over misprints and value over the Circular Logic "misprint". I told a guy don't buy it for the misprint value as all of them are misprints.
Turns out it's the most expensive version of Circular Logic at like 3 dollars
It's the most expensive because it was part of the secret lair. So you are still entirely correct, especially because you lose a lot of money on the other cards. I would only buy it if I loved the art style (I'd probably only pay $5 for the set, if the cards in it weren't playable)
Really happy I picked it up though, but I use 3 of the cards regularly in decks and love the foil-on-white effect :)
Anyone who speculates on individual magic cards needs to just stop and buy some stocks or crypto and leave our hobby alone.
@@Interrobang212 I agree
Greedy company is gonna greed.
Compamy is gonna company
They exist to make money
If you are buying secret lairs for the monetary value, you are doing it wrong
If you are buying Secret Lairs, you are doing it wrong
@@alexandercandicedad1355 u want your cards to look nice when your playing them
@mikeoxmal1028 correct. Thank you for supporting my point. I was so focused on how over price and under valued the cards were, i forgot about the quality control issues plaguing Secret Lairs! Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Of you want your cards to look nice, don't buy Secret Lairs!😇
@@alexandercandicedad1355 Hey man, maybe go for a walk or something.
@@lukeivan1 can't. Too busy organizing my card collection
The art on all of those is superior to most magic cards today.
Any secret lair that isn't extended art/borderless is a terrible secret lair.
You should be buying secret layers because they are cool and you like them not to resell. Also the ony bad one you mentioned was the lotr
My take is, wizards has to announce some trash secret lairs with worthless cards so that they can say they know nothing about the secondary market and packs are not gambles.
The LOTR one was such BS. They could've made the whole set out of screenshots, or just made them a bonus sheet.
Dang, they got me. I bought two of these....and I'll keep doing it
Same, I didn't get the lotr one....
Same I got one for the Felidar and the other for the eternal witness
I got two of these layers because i liked the art and i play half the cards in them. Plus it's funny when you get a judge call for playing a bad counter spell. Twice in one match, sweats gonna sweat.
I love circular logic's misprint, honestly. It inspired me to make a custom card: "Buffoonery" U, sorcery
"Choose one: counter target spell, or scry 2".
Yes, a sorcery speed counter. The idea is that you need a wizards of thay effect to play it. But if you have that effect, the reward is a 1-mana counter without a downside. The scry 2 is just to keep it from bricking TOO hard if you don't have such an effect.
Never understood why reprint value matters so much - these are collector pieces, i'd rather have a 50 cents card i play a lot than a 20 dollars reprint that is barely used
Exactly. Secret lair is meant to be like, collector pieces at times. So like the value might not be worth it but as a collection piece? I would totally get the LotR ones.
@@benvictimI think the main problem is the secret lair price tag won’t match the market price when these cards go onto card selling cites
@@benvictimBecause often time if they are worth less than 30 dollars the collectors could just buy them 2nd hand
I think because "reprint value" roughly correlates to playability. I'm fine with secret lair sol rings or basic lands because those card will have a home in some deck of mine, regardless of what a mechanically identical card could have cost me.
The Lord of the Rings secret lair was so egregious because frankly those cards are just draft chaff at best. Like Shire Terrace isn't even good color-fixing for Limited, what constructed deck is that going into? I'll never show these cards off in play.
If I'm gonna be honest, don't care? Like secret layers aren't really meant to be competitive boosters. They're collectives with fancy art or weird cards. If they're good in a format, great, if not, just have them as a thing to look at and slot in your jank or casual decks.
The only secret lair I had to get was the Warhammer Orks. No ork precon? Fine I'll do it myself!
The LotR lair undersold so it has good value now
Most recent ebay sale(I looke up sold and not asking) I see two recent sales, 3 individual cards at about 70 CAD and a full set at 81 CAD. Not exactly the greatest ROI for a set, but definitely has some value.
The real problem though is finding someone who wants to pay that, value is subjective and you can only get what someone wants to pay you for it
Secret Lair aren't made to reprint valuable cards, it's about cool/new/jokes designs
I feel as if it is meant to do both, if I'm spending 30 dollars or 35 with shipping I should enjoy the art and get some amount of value
Half of the time WOtC just puts in whatever bulk or just rare cards worth nothing or they literally sell 5 different lands for 30 dollars which no matter how you explain it is going to be a bad deal
@@cooliofoods4132 It's kind of a luxury product, not about utility. I get your point, but maybe you're not the target audience (me neither)
@@harkyz4439 suppose you’re right, it was just moreso my prerogative that I feel quite a bit of MTG players agree with since I can’t really justify to myself spending that much on cards that quite literally don’t have value aside from the nice art
But on the other hand people can justify just because they like the art so it is probably just not a product for me 🤷
I've only ever bought one secret lair and it was the one with life on the loam
That one is very pretty. Has the best art of Golgari thug to date.
I got the Arcane one, but I bought it on secondary market
so idk if that counts
and if it doesn't that I got 0
The lack of traitor guardsmen shows how much love GW gives to chaos. Especially since they worship the dark powers they should be naturally more powerful from their gifts.
Film....it was a film not a TV show.
Film!*
Every secret lair is the worst secret lair because the product is parasitic
The worst one was the very first one printed because it was successful enough to spawn the rest
Nah, if you've got cash to spend and you like the art, you should get it for the art. No one should think it's a good investment.
@@michaelkelsey4918 see if this was a collectable card game then that would work but magic is currently a weird monetary subscheme akin to stocks/bonds/Bitcoin/crypto.
I love the old LOTR cartoon art but those cards are basically unplayable garbage in my book.
I kinda like them all
All secret lairs suck
No! Jurassic Park and Godzilla (lands) are coool AF ;))))
really with felidar and the hydra that set was bad?
I believe it’s safe to say that this is further proof that secret layer is just a scam
Dude, tell us the actual card prices, rather than saying 'mediocre' or 'low value'
It wasn't a misprint it was a gag and no one found it funny.
No, it was truly a misprint. Do you think otherwise because of how obvious it should have been that a counterspell shouldn't be a sorcery?