but then you have raw footage of Rose having a genuine blast with Alyssa and holly during hte fourth season. She didn't start making those claims after the show had ended. She's a liar and made those claims because of the whole me 2 bs.
@@sandiego2380She’s an actor and she LITERALLY said she conformed because she was petrified of being considered difficult. They told her don’t be difficult like Shannen. She was controlled by a narrative that Alyssa created for her own gain.
@@moonmojo7649 So what? They have a right to feel however they want as women. The truth is coming out about Alyssa. Why shame the women who stood up against a mean girl? Or are you one of those also?
Rose never mentioned any issues and for years said how great the show was. It wasn't until after her car accident and Alyssa supporting Me Too where Rose started making claims against Alyssa.
Charmed was never the same after Prue's death. The three of them made the show. Their chemistry was what made the show so amazing. It's disappointing to hear that Alyssa had a hand in Shannen's firing.
@@marioiconno one else seemed to have a problem with Shannen on the charmed set. Even rose, her replacement, had an issue with Alyssa. Seems the common denominator is Alyssa.
Shannen was dating Julian McMahon around this time... Julian was also at this time playing Cole, who was in the show dating Phoebe... Alyssa was complaining about a hostile work environment... I may be putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 but I can almost bet on it that hostilities arose because of it.
@@harleypaynefultsunamiwilli463I didn't know Shannen was dating Julien. But I can totally imagine Milano would get jealous. Shannen was taking the spotlight and dating a total stud... And have you seen Milano's husband? 😅
Holly became the heart of Charmed after that..thankful she stayed and carried on the true meaning of the show and embodied the character of Piper and carried on the true meaning of Charmed till the end
Holly became the heart, Rose became the passion and Milano ended up as slutty/trashy queen (in my humble opinion). After she god rid of Shannen she was wearing more and more revealing clothes with every season. Remember that Cinderella episode catastrophe? That was the trashiest most horrible dress in history of the entire show 😂
I'm so happy this is finally came out. Shannen deserves to be able to set the record straight. He name has been dragged through the mud. The way she was treated is awful.
Oh please. Shannen Doherty has always been toxic. I don’t buy her victim pose now . Check on here in her own words “ shannen talks about charmed” a video on RUclips where she says she found the work tedious and was telling producers she needed to go and that she had only signed up for 3 seasons. Now she blames Alyssa ( i am sure she was probably reacting to doherty attitude) . Again hear it from Shannen own mouth 8 years ago.
@@qtaromar1970Have you ever thought that Shannen might say those things you said she'd said just to avoid even worse situation/publication? Or to protect the producer whoever or even Alyssa from bad news? I loved Charmed so much but when Shannen's out, I was upset because I thought those '3 sisters' had great chemistry. Tried to watch after that but hm..no, it's just a 'no', stopped watching it. Whatever that was, hopefully Shannen's condition is getting better n better. ❤🇮🇩
@@31naand yet now she is rehashing something that happened 20 years ago and if you listen to her she can’t even forgive, so much for being terminally ill. Alyssa already apologized and even admitted the role she played in it. What else can she do? Now she is staying quiet which is the adult thing to do. It seems the other two cannot let it go. Holly even bullied the new cast of charmed when it was rebooted. They need to move on. Is done, over with. Shannen own history of problem behavior speaks for itself. I watched charmed too and Prue was the best character on there but she got herself fired from 90210 for the same thing, fighting with cast members. They are 50 now, move on.
I remember it being more pinned on “Shannon being difficult to work with” since she had also left 90210. I’m glad the cast is actually able to talk about it now. It has been kept so hush hush for so long.
@@therealameliabedelia7821 It was both. It was pinned that Alyssa complained that Shannon was difficult to work with and they didn't get along. It was always hinted and said that Alyssa was the cause.
Not true at all. Shannen was blamed for it and she was pegged as "difficult" which is a killer term for a woman actress. People also blamed her for leaving and creating the ultimatum but whole time it was Alyssas fault for it all.
Prue's death was the most heart-wrenching moment of the show, and imo that's when it started going downhill. The media painted Shannen so poorly and a lot of ppl made her the bad guy bc Allyssa was seen as her sweetheart 'Who's The Boss' character. So sad that this happened and I hope that Shannen can find closure.
i actually preferred the cast with rose, i thought she filled out the dynamic really well. but that might just be because i first started watching during season 4. When i went back to watch the first 3 seasons i wasnt much of a fan of prues brooding personality. but i seem to be in the minority here 😅
I do think that considering the circumstances that led to the decline of Charmed in the aftermath of the coup d'état against Shannen and given the fact that a significant portion of public opinion has been turning against Alyssa in the more recent years, it would be suffice to say that Shannen was the true victor in all of this and completely insuring that she be vindicated -better late than never as they say.
For the record, while the fault is indeed on Alyssa for what unfolded (and justifiably so), we must also not overlook the glaring fact that it was especially Brad Kern -the chief producer whom was also a central instigator behind it all as he in particular had his own agenda and plans for Charmed -which was rather void to the concept that Constance M. Burge -the mastermind behind the series, had envisioned from the very onset.
Definitely ! The stories on charmed with Burge were breathtaking for the true magical genre scene. Kern‘s charmed went downhill and then became a parody of itself and then became stupid
You know what you are right I don't think the whole blame should go to her but to the horrible showrunners had decided to turn the show into. I know while Constance M burge was there the show was awesome
People say this when it's not true, it's just a subjective opinion. If that was the case, both shows would not have had several seasons after with increased viewership. Clearly people continued to really enjoy the shows. I get that Shannen's probably you're fave, but keep it real.
Shannon had been on three popular shows, and each one fired her for being beyond difficult. I can see that there may have been a power struggle since all three women are very strong in their personality
that's rich coming from Rose calling someone fake and not trustworthy. There is plenty of raw footage of her and Holly and Alyssa having a genuine fun time on Charmed. Rose started making those allegations years when the show had ended. She is the one people shouldn't trust, as she is an extremist man hating feminist hypocrite.
The fact that shannen directed her own death scene and didn’t even know she wasn’t coming back for season 4 all of this was done during the hiatus Alyssa really irked me for doing that ultimatum and threaten to sue them
@@hafidbense4934 if you listen to the podcast she said she lied for 20 years for the fans so that it wouldn’t be any bad light on the show outside of her firing
Yeah, I think she knew, her character was actually supposed to die anyway, her character dies in the comics and her spirit goes into the body of a comatose witch named Patience, i think the feud with Alyssa either brought on her death faster or she forced them to kill her character off if they weren’t planning on following the comics entirely.
@@toxicfataldestiny5408 the charmed comics came out after the show of course prue is deceased in them she was never suppose to be killed off if Alyssa left it alone and just did her job prue would’ve been alive in the show and the comics the first comic came out in 2010
Why does this not surprise me?? Alyssa has already lost a lot of fans, and she's probably about to lose a whole lot more! Thanks, Shannen and Holly, for this info.
We're talking about something from over 20 years ago that happened between a bunch of women in their twenties in a very competitive industry. I really don't think it's anything but she probably hasn't learned from. She's so much as said it by saying that she wishes she would have been more secure back then with herself
@@saramarshall2957 Alyssa owned up to her mistakes and she apologized saying she was insecure you can see it on youtube actually so i doubt she will loose any fans since they already knew that even in her book she mentioned it
True Charmed loyal fans understand our frustration about this is you was just a viewer watching just to watch then I understand you lack of concern but what moves you to leave a comment If you don’t care as much ?
Someone else can’t stand Alyssa and thinks she’s a very manipulative person but I can’t remember who it was! 😖 it might’ve been Rose McGowan. Not sure. Something about her being a hypocrite and her husband’s involvement with whatever it all was. Something political, I think? Sorry I can’t recall! 😢
I was always a bigger fan of Holly over anyone else. Never really had an issue with Shannon or her character but I’ve read that she wanted the show continue in a darker path and with her departure, you can see that they didn’t go along with that route. The minute season 5 opened, you could feel the vibe finally flipped That’s the main thing I miss from Shannon being on the show
Shannen wanted to keep the series loyal to the concept that Constance M. Burge had constructed. However, the moment that Brad Kern began to usurp the series from Ms. Burge -hence, resulting in the latter's departure, coupled with Alyssa looking to make her own power grab within the casting ranks and also being in Mr. Kern's favor, Shannen unfortunately found herself caught up in a vicious circle and inevitably becoming the ultimate sacrificial lamb of the series.
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Shannen was the heart of the show. She made Charmed iconic and the others along, only popularized it. Charmed wouldn’t be the same without her anymore-everybody just knew that. Alyssa was clearly insecure and envious.
There's a reason why Charmed lost its spark after S3. When i rewatch, it's always the first three seasons. The show would've been canceled after season 1 without Shannen. I always knew Alyssa was a hypocrite. Never liked her.
The show was NEVER the same after Shannen was let go. I stopped watching. It felt awkward that another sister appeared. Rose is a great actor, it just didn’t feel right. I always had a feeling it was Alyssa because she always has seemed insecure in herself and spoiled
@@poshbarbieboi The sisters weren’t immortal and they risked their lives every single day. So they knew that this was coming cause of their mom who was gone way too soon as well. Paige didn’t appear out of nowhere. Paige’s premise was set out in Season 2 already when the sisters met their mother’s whitelighter Sam and found out that they had had an affair. And as we find out in Season 4 Paige was a result of that affair, but they couldn’t keep her cause having a love affair between a witch and a whitelighter was forbidden. That’s why Patty and Sam took her to a local church as soon as she was born. Paige’s appearance is perfectly explained and accompanied by the fact that the Source wasn’t satisfied with Prue being gone and the Power of Three being disrupted, he was determined to eliminate all of them, including Paige and Paige was the only hope to reconstitute the Charmed Ones thus saving them. That’s why she had to resurface. With that being said, Paige’s introduction added a new dynamic, a new impulse to the show. Rose McGowan did a phenomenal job playing Paige.
There was no indication that a baby was ever conceived during that affair in said season/episode. Affairs don't necessarily equate to a pregnancy. Prue's death was so random and sudden that this miraculous new sister storyline felt a bit out of place and it wasn't clear at the end of season 3 that Prue had died. I'd guess that they were hoping to solve whatever issues but could'nt so we got the shock of a first s4 ep. I mean, they flew through those walls how many times? They cheated death how many times? They went to the past,.to the future, reversed or accelerated time and all that but now all of sudden they don't have the power? It made no sense but I for one grew to love Paige just as much. I just feel that her introduction was premature/rushed.
I know everyone likes to blame Shannon cause she had issues on 90210, but how horrible could she have been if Aaron Spelling hired her again for Charmed. I loved Alyssa in Charmed but it’s believable she felt some sort of way about Shannon because the two of them were well known faces prior to the show.
I knew she wouldn't just leave a successful show like dat where she demanded that She wouldn't do the show without Holly and then when she was Fired Holly was angry and upset told them the same thing but they threatened to sue her if she left as well
Charmed fans that didn't live under a rock knew all this and didn't need to be told in 2023. Shannen has said before that she took her craft seriously and that others didn't on the charmed set. It was obvious she was talking about Alyssa as her relationship was so close with Holly. This might have been true or just Shannen's view that Alyssa wasn't professional on set. It looks like Alysaa was playing the HR game and following the right channels and Holly and Shannen were "refusing" to talk to the resources available to them. I too have accepted that the show ended after season 3. I bought the other seasons recently on bluray and haven't even cracked those seasons open. Maybe one day but from what I saw in Season 4, the storyline made no sense and it just got worse in season 5 and beyond. I was rather irritated with Alyssa for years her for the downfall of one of my favorite shows ever but that is just the way it is.
It’s funny that alyssa had the nerve to give an ultimatum saying either she goes or I do! Yet holly and shannen started the show together. On the un-aired pilot episode there was another actress had the role of phoebe but was replaced with Alyssa do to her faith in Christianity and witchcraft which goes against everything she stood for regarding that. For me the show wasn’t the same after prue’s death shannen’s departure left a sour taste in my mouth, how she was killed off it wasn’t good and could’ve been done better. It’s pretty obvious they wanted Alyssa to be the star of the show. Even the intros changed after s3 moving her up in the 1st spot when s4 started.
Nope. Alyssa was & still is more famous & has a tone more work under her belt. Shannon Doherty. Was unprofessional as revealed in other interviews. I have met her a couple times & she was nice. But, work is different. I wish her nothing but peace & love. Alyssa is a sweetheart & does good in the world outside of entertainment. Rose McGowan is not cool in person. Just saying. Never met Holly. But, has her friends back. That’s cool.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE.saying shannen was unheard of is a flat out lie and you know it. We knew alyssa from whos the boss. Thats it. Shannen had done way more work prior to charmed which is why she was hand picked for her role. Alyssa wasnt even originally casted🙄
Sounds like Alyssa was the problem. If Shannen, Holly AND Rose McGowen don’t like you. What’s wild is that Shannen and Rose were vilified for YEARS! It even impacted their hireability after the show. They were labeled problem actresses because Alyssa was so beloved. She still is to be honest. It’s really sad.
I KNEW Alyssa's performance as Phoebe fell super flat during the post-Prue-funeral episodes. It was like she was excited to move on, you could feel it from her character even. Whereas Holly's performance after Shannen left (and Prue died) felt so authentic and real, and I still remember every step of her grief cycle.
Rose literally said this about Alyssa because Alyssa continued to support Weinstein's wife and children after everything came out about him (and what he did to her)...
I knew it!!!! Thank god we now know what really happed in that period and how things went. We as real fans deserved to know the truth and now i feel so sad that they couldn’t work it out…… the show without shannen was differet and lost its magical and special factor
Alyssa did play Evil Pheobe very very well... that's all I'm saying. I love all the sisters equally. Although Prue had a special place in my heart and her death broke me 💔
"You just learn a lesson and look at somebody differently." That is true to the core. Yes, people will be jealous of you, envious; they will even have his/her own problems and blame you for things and try to not have you around anymore. But, when it happens, when you basically stab someone in the back, that other person WILL look at you differently. Its kind of sad because this stuff happens all the time everywhere. The great thing is that (yes, years later) they found a time to reconnect, granted Shannen going through her breast cancer situation. Forgiveness doesn't come easy, but admitting you might have been wrong in a situation is always a good first step towards moving forward. Thanks for the video. Happy Holidays. 🙂
Shannon was my favorite on the show. In the empath episode her actor play is so good ! She was the best actress. It's sad they never was able to find a solution. Everyone has their part of shame. We focused on Alyssa's one because during 20 years it was Shannen fault.
2001 was like 1994 all over again. Another show that was reduced to crap after Shannen’s departure and what little I did see made me wonder if the costume designer for Charmed really hated Rose McGowan. And the worst part was that to this day Shannen’s straight-to-video classic “Blindfold: Acts of Obsession” still hasn’t been released on DVD whereas Alyssa’s “Poison Ivy 2” has but that is only because it could piggyback off Drew Barrymore’s big 90s comeback in name only.
Reduced to crap? I think not. Although the first 3 seasons were great, season 4 was brilliantly executed. The themes, the stories, the demons, the Book of Shadows, season 5 was great too. Season 6 was ok. Season 7 was exceptional. Season 8 was okay but would have been better without Billie and Christie.
I saw that interview with Alyssa Milano about reaching out to Shannon taking responsibility for her actions and said Shannon was a great actress incredible actress. You could see how much remorse and regret she had and how much compassion she showed to Shannon for what she was going through with her treatment, although Alyssa is an actress if she never meant it then that was an Oscar winning performance 🤣🤣
I wish, they would have kept it professional for the sake of the show. Ok, you don’t like each other - fine! Don’t let the show suffer, because of that. It was a hit and people loved it. I would have said: “Ok, we will never be friends, but please let us give our best for the show. You don’t have to talk to me behind the scenes, that’s fine.”
Yep. If you don't like eachother, suck it up. Now if say the other is making it difficult. Not learning the lines and sabotaging scenes or showing up late, or provoking. That is different, but if you are jealous over each other. Like get over yourselves and do your job.
@alucinado1021 I never watched DH but Shannen was def the star in every season she was in. I've said this elsewhere but they treated Holly and Alyssa like sidekicks for the 3 seasons she was on the show. It should've been an ensemble cast from the start. We never would've gotten the cole/phoebe storyline we got has she stayed on the show.
I'm sad to hear this because I thought Shannen and Alyssa buried the hatchet when Shannen got cancer and they put all this behind them. This makes me sad to hear.
E News again that last quote was from Alyssa Milano not Shannen Doherty. Alyssa has a interview with E News no less and she was filmed saying that quote and to add in that very same interview she basically took accountability for all of this drama she created. This is the second incorrect reporting about that comment. Shannen has been through enough misrepresentation and it’s time we got it right!
@@christianaayodele so you tell me what Alyssa meant .. by “taking accountability for her part” in which SHANNEN is saying her part was getting her fired help me understand your point because right now the narrative is she got Shannen fired which is backed by Holly .. sooooo what is your point because what does Holly have to lie for ? If Alyssa made up an alluded to problems on set AND it was DOCUMENTED then made a case of complaints for a toxic work environment that’s definitely enough to get another person FIRED! That Karen was jealous and insecure and she played dirty to get her way. Then Rose comes along and she having similar issues I’d say take your rose colored glasses off sweetheart if it walks like a Karen and manipulates like a Karen wells it’s a KAREN.
I agree the show was never the same. They all made the perfect show, and I am surprised they handled this well and professionally behind the stage. Things happen in life, and outcomes teach us a lot during this path we all walk through on the earth until we are gone.
Shannen was also said to be hard to work with in 90210…multiple sides to each story, not going to jump on a hate train. There’s also the possibility the producers pitted them against each other to avoid taking responsibility for the bad work environment.
I agree. They were all child star and had egos. I'm not saying that Alyssia couldn't have had diva moments, but Holly and Shanne were best friends walking into the show, they give me " mean girl" vibes and it feels like they are down playing the tension on set. At this point i don't get why they keep bring up the drama with Alyssia she has distanced herself away from the show to the point she hasn't gone to one fan convention. Just leave the girl alone what good does it do the draw up all this pass drama? It's just ruining the show for fans.
Shut up, Shannen is friends with all her 90210 cast mates, even Jennie Garth. If she was so hard to work with, then why did they work with her again during the reboot? Do you know Hollywood brands women actresses as “hard to work with” to shut them up all the time? Can’t stand these stupid takes from supposed “fans” of charmed
When they removed Prue (Shannon) i got sad. Its never been like it before. I liked Rose McGowan's role and addition to the show though. Charmed was well-known in the Philippines wayback.
I wish there was a crystal ball and we could see what happened if Prue lived and pheobe died... I can imagine Rose McGowan and Shannen getting along sooooooo well 😭
Tbf, Shannon was fired from 90210. Which was also produced by Aaron spelling. Spelling had even said Shannon was hard to work with. Not saying any of it was right but there are many different sides to this story.
I knew this when the firing happened. I didn’t like how Alyssa on video was trying to get everyone on set to say how difficult Shannen was. She was the only one in the end who was speaking. It was really wrong how Shannen was treated! Holly was and is Shannen’s best friend and had her back!
I think we should have a continuation with a alternate reality where Phoebe died and Prue survived. Opening up with them placing flowers on Phoebe’s grave just saying some kind words and moving on with Shannen Holly and Rose maybe even switching out Pages powers for Phoebes in this new reality or allowing Page to not only orb but she gets premonitions adding some new powers for each sister problem solve, there powers were technically growing . Then getting the show back to that like Originals/Buffy like action drama we loved so much. Side note is there anyway you can research how do we get in contact with the network to ask for Charmed return to air with Shannen Holly and Rose ?
I would love it very much since I love Prue , Piper and Page the best! Not so much love at all for Phoebe who had always negatively rubbed me wrong way. Phoebe was my least liked character on the show.
If I remember correctly, it was indeed an ultimatum from Alyssa, but they kinda made it look like the production chose Milano over Doherty and the whole detail about Milano’s threat to sue was never revealed, I think. That said, Prue’s character had become rather obnoxious by season 3, she thought she was invincible and had this holier than thou / superiority complex, something Patty also suffered from as it was revealed by Leo in season 5. In a way, Prue ‘s death was foreshadowed eps before the finale. Let s not forget it was also her fault that they were exposed when, blinded by her super witch attitude, she went after Shax in plain day light, something they had been careful not to do before. I just wonder how much in advance had the producer decided to kill Prue and fire Shannen.
To all the people who clearly haven’t listened to the whole podcast, Shannen said she was addressing “her truth” publicly for the first time because she’s still asked why she left the show. She has always keep up the narrative it was her choice, “her truth” is the producers fired her after Alyssa told them it was her or Shannen, she would sue for breach of contract if they kept Shannen. Shannen stated it’s all in the past now with no ill will towards her, yet fighting for her life has taught her not to be afraid to speak “her truth”, and she has bigger things to focus on these days.
That Alyssa was the reason why Shannon had to go was known all along...but it was said that she threatend to go, and that the Producers decided to keep her.
Front what I saw on the show in the beginning, it looked like Shannon seem to be growing and might’ve been a star and Alyssa was jealous of that. Once Shannon left then Alyssa became that star, so it just sounds like it was jealousy really
Shannen/Prue was the best and strongest character on the show. I literally stopped watching the show after season 3. Even though I tried but I just could not get into it. It was one of my all time favorite Tv shows until Prue was killed off. I wish they had chosen her over Alyssa. The show was never the same again.
Wow, cause I really like Alyssa. I wasn't on the show, so I don't know what REALLY happened, but that's a shame. Even Rose said that Alyssa was not a ray of sunshine to work with.
They're both type A personalities, they were bound to clash and its sad to know it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows off screen. Still doesn't hamper the fact it was a fun show. I hope both can move on and we get a reunion of sorts...
Forgiveness is key in life. Shannon needs to forgive, and I think she will moving forward. It seems that Alyssa felt an honest discomfort and expressed that with another. We can't blame her for her feelings back then. I wish them all well and that they can forgive each other.
Alyssa destroyed Charmed. Alyssa wasn't chosen for the role of Phoebe at the beginning of the show. She was the third choice, and she destroyed everything. When Alyssa got Shannen fired, I stopped to watch the show.
I have nothing but sympathy for Shannon right now and everything that she's going through, and it's nice that Holly and her were friends then and are still friends now. However, back in the day Shannen Doherty was infamous for being difficult on almost every set she worked on, so I don't think it's fair to vilify Alyssa now because she didn't want to work with her.
I read somewhere that Holly and Shannen eventually came to the conclusion that the showrumners did not want the 3 to be really close and rallying together as they did noy want another case of Friends where the lead actors banded together to get the same amount of pay or no show at all. It wouldn't be a surprise if they actually were the force that drove the enmity between the actresses to avoid that scenario. For such a hit show, its always the bottom dollar that matters to those who control it.
That’s amazing how they’ve reconciled their relationship with each other because you only live once and Shannon’s diagnosis really made Alyssa realise her mistakes even though I love all the charmed stars xxxx ❤
You could even hear Holly kind of holding her tears, it was clear that she didn't want her to leave, and that it was unfair. Alyssa Milano had to much envy
It is hard to know this, because Charmed was one of my favourite shows in 90s when I was teenager, and I had big admiration to this characters and know this finished of this way is sad… Prue was my favourite character in the show.
How was Holly able to work with Alyssa after Shannen got fired if she knew all of this and was so close to Shannen? Holly and Alyssa even worked on an episode of Grey’s Anatomy a few years back
The producer definitely had a lot to do with it. It's great that things are being said now, I have looked at Alyssa Milano differently over the years, but it feels hollow now to get mad over something that happened so long ago. I'm glad they squashed it eventually, but wow, speak on some truths queen!
I remember Holly saying stuff about Shannen. Like the way she left the network, Shannen was causing issues but I wasn’t there and I don’t know the truth. I truly enjoyed the show and loved all 4 sisters. I wish them all the best.❤
Because of my disdain for Allysa Milano, and this started years ago, I don’t watch Who’s the Boss anymore. I continued to watch after Shannen left because I was a Leo and Piper fan, but I missed her. Shannon is a great actress.
Same. I started to dislike her when she hijacked the MeToo movement for an additional 15 minutes of fame, renamed it Times Up, and once she milked it dry for all the money and put it in her husband's company, then she gave it back to regular women. I looked back at Charmed after Prue and see hints of her femininst ways back then. My favorites are the darker, gritter years of Season 1- 3. Season 1 is probably my favorite for the ill fated romance between Prue and Andy. After Prue left, it was See Phoebe in skimpy outfits and more campier show. Piper was the glue who held the show together. Loved her relationship with Leo and her children Wyatt and Chris. Love Season 7 when the cute Drew Fuller joined the show as Chris and Leo turned dark. Hated how they ruined Cole's character especially when they brought him back from the dead and had him obsessed with Phoebe when he could have any woman he wanted. Season 4 was the darkest season. Season 8 was the weakest season with a great two part series finale. I don't remember season 4 through 6 that well, but Paige grew on me. I liked the Dark Enchantress episode, the one when she finds out who her father was, the love scene with the best friend before the episode where he married another woman. Season 7 was probably my fourth favorite season. The show was great with Prue and only good without her. I think Season Six ended with them in some weird Witness Protection thing. Shannon just had that It factor. Holly was the regular girl with the exception of her iconic Coyote Ugly dance scene when she was possessed by Glinda, and Phoebe was pretty to look at.
As much as I respect these women's opinions, given how Alyssa Milano was portrayed in the show, especially after Prue's departure, it's incredibly hard for me to believe she had as much power as the people who were actually in charge are claiming. It sounds a lot more like blame shifting so they don't have to take accountability for what they did. They're clearly scared of the threat of a lawsuit, so still taking no responsibility for what happened in the past means lowering any chance of Shannon Doherty coming after them today. And even if AM did pose the ultimatum, they still chose her over SD, and that was entirely due to the Cole story-line, didn't have anything to do with her - if anything, her threatening to sue made her more of a liability to keep around
Not really. If it was a hostile work environment claim she was threatening and if SD was at the center of it, removing her would show the execs took the necessary steps to address the issue, so the liability threat would be removed if Alyssa stayed. It's not really that hard to believe. AM didn't make the decisions herself. She gave them an either or choice to make. The Cole storyline being an influencing factor is an interesting thought I had not considered. I doubt the suits making those decisions cared one bit about the show itself though. More likely than not, they realized that firing SD was the less risky option. Spelling had already done it once before and she went quietly. Firing AM would bring the threat of lawsuits and retaliation claims (it would look like AM was fired for raising the claims). This is assuming what HMC and SD said is true. None of us were there so we don't know. Based on what Rose has said about AM, I'm inclined to believe Holly. If you listen to the podcast, that would be an awful elaborate lie to concoct. I doubt we'll ever hear the full version of events though. It's really just sad.
@@fong03 The case would only hold up if the courts believed SD was solely responsible for the work environment being hostile. Given what AM has owned up to in recent years, I doubt they would have, so SD could've easily filed a counter suit. Either way, I'm not inclined to believe HMC - she seems to constantly change sides between her co-stars depending on whoever has public favour at the time. Back then, despite being good friends with SD, she was often on AM's side, and now that SD has cancer, AM is the villain? Workplace drama aside, the people in charge of the series were clearly the biggest villains. They took a series about 3 sisters mending their complicated relationships and turned it into a male fantasy, and no one can tell me any of the cast members really wanted that
@@T_Cup which is why I qualified the statement with "if SD was at the center of it." Listen to the podcast and you'll hear why a suit from SD was less likely. How was she "often on AM's side" and how did she "change sides?" The story at the time that everyone was telling about SD's departure was that she chose to left. The delve into that in the podcast as well. Rose already pointed out AM's alleged behavior on the set years ago, so it not at all that this is coming out of left field. You are also assuming that SD is lying too. Either you believe SD and HMC (and RM claims about AM's toxic behavior on set) or you believe AM. It seems more unlikely that all 3 of them are lying, nut we will just have to agree to disagree. I think the one thing we can agree on is the execs are really the ones who should have the most blame. HMC and SD talk about this on the podcast as well. I don't doubt that SD and AM were pitted against each other by the suits and whatever bad behavior either engaged in was probably encouraged or rewarded by the suits until they reached a breaking point.
Rose McGowan said that Alyssa Milano was responsible for a toxic workplace too, really wish Shannen hadn’t been fired, Prue was my favourite
Me too
Me too
but then you have raw footage of Rose having a genuine blast with Alyssa and holly during hte fourth season. She didn't start making those claims after the show had ended. She's a liar and made those claims because of the whole me 2 bs.
Rose shaved her head and looks like a man - I don’t believe unstable women.
@@sandiego2380She’s an actor and she LITERALLY said she conformed because she was petrified of being considered difficult. They told her don’t be difficult like Shannen. She was controlled by a narrative that Alyssa created for her own gain.
The fact that Rose was Shannon’s replacement and ALSO had issues with Alyssa, speaks volumes…
The fact that Shannon and rose have had issues with a lot of people they have worked with also speaks volumes..
I doubt it's all Alyssa's fault
@@davlin7685 Alyssa stan found
@@pretendamnesia I mean look at them now, I adore Rose but she continues. Same can be said about Shannon
@@moonmojo7649 So what? They have a right to feel however they want as women. The truth is coming out about Alyssa. Why shame the women who stood up against a mean girl? Or are you one of those also?
Rose never mentioned any issues and for years said how great the show was. It wasn't until after her car accident and Alyssa supporting Me Too where Rose started making claims against Alyssa.
Charmed was never the same after Prue's death. The three of them made the show. Their chemistry was what made the show so amazing. It's disappointing to hear that Alyssa had a hand in Shannen's firing.
Yes because she made her uncomfortable
@@marioiconno one else seemed to have a problem with Shannen on the charmed set. Even rose, her replacement, had an issue with Alyssa. Seems the common denominator is Alyssa.
Shannen was dating Julian McMahon around this time... Julian was also at this time playing Cole, who was in the show dating Phoebe... Alyssa was complaining about a hostile work environment... I may be putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 but I can almost bet on it that hostilities arose because of it.
@@harleypaynefultsunamiwilli463I didn't know Shannen was dating Julien. But I can totally imagine Milano would get jealous. Shannen was taking the spotlight and dating a total stud... And have you seen Milano's husband? 😅
@@brontiq Alyssa was dating Brian Kraus around that time too...
Holly became the heart of Charmed after that..thankful she stayed and carried on the true meaning of the show and embodied the character of Piper and carried on the true meaning of Charmed till the end
Listen to the podcast ❤ she was threatened if she leave the show(she wanted to go out with Shannen) she would be sued 😢
@@kateausten6450 just watched it..wow..still thankful for Holly though..but that Alyssa was just the biggest mistake
Holly was always the heart since the beginning. She brought the sisters together
Holly became the heart, Rose became the passion and Milano ended up as slutty/trashy queen (in my humble opinion). After she god rid of Shannen she was wearing more and more revealing clothes with every season. Remember that Cinderella episode catastrophe? That was the trashiest most horrible dress in history of the entire show 😂
No, she didn't. She was a horrible actress.
I'm so happy this is finally came out. Shannen deserves to be able to set the record straight. He name has been dragged through the mud. The way she was treated is awful.
Oh please. Shannen Doherty has always been toxic. I don’t buy her victim pose now . Check on here in her own words “ shannen talks about charmed” a video on RUclips where she says she found the work tedious and was telling producers she needed to go and that she had only signed up for 3 seasons. Now she blames Alyssa ( i am sure she was probably reacting to doherty attitude) . Again hear it from Shannen own mouth 8 years ago.
@@qtaromar1970Have you ever thought that Shannen might say those things you said she'd said just to avoid even worse situation/publication? Or to protect the producer whoever or even Alyssa from bad news?
I loved Charmed so much but when Shannen's out, I was upset because I thought those '3 sisters' had great chemistry. Tried to watch after that but hm..no, it's just a 'no', stopped watching it.
Whatever that was, hopefully Shannen's condition is getting better n better. ❤🇮🇩
@@31naand yet now she is rehashing something that happened 20 years ago and if you listen to her she can’t even forgive, so much for being terminally ill. Alyssa already apologized and even admitted the role she played in it. What else can she do? Now she is staying quiet which is the adult thing to do. It seems the other two cannot let it go. Holly even bullied the new cast of charmed when it was rebooted. They need to move on. Is done, over with. Shannen own history of problem behavior speaks for itself. I watched charmed too and Prue was the best character on there but she got herself fired from 90210 for the same thing, fighting with cast members. They are 50 now, move on.
Not to mention I'm sure this affected Shannon's career. Who would hire her after that?
Sadly, this will never change the fact they took Prue away from us. She never made an appearance again, even a guest star.
This is no secret. When it happened, Alyssa was blamed for it. The additional details Holly said though is new. I stopped watching when Shannon left 😢
I remember it being more pinned on “Shannon being difficult to work with” since she had also left 90210.
I’m glad the cast is actually able to talk about it now. It has been kept so hush hush for so long.
@@therealameliabedelia7821 It was both. It was pinned that Alyssa complained that Shannon was difficult to work with and they didn't get along. It was always hinted and said that Alyssa was the cause.
Same
Not true at all. Shannen was blamed for it and she was pegged as "difficult" which is a killer term for a woman actress. People also blamed her for leaving and creating the ultimatum but whole time it was Alyssas fault for it all.
You should of kept watching because the show got better but I understand why you upset that she left but rose was Also Amazing actor as well
This is really old news with more detail but I always felt it was a bit jealously that Alyssa had towards Shannon 🙄just sad.
Alyssa is bad news. Shannen and Rose are blunt honest and don't play her game.
Prue's death was the most heart-wrenching moment of the show, and imo that's when it started going downhill. The media painted Shannen so poorly and a lot of ppl made her the bad guy bc Allyssa was seen as her sweetheart 'Who's The Boss' character. So sad that this happened and I hope that Shannen can find closure.
i actually preferred the cast with rose, i thought she filled out the dynamic really well. but that might just be because i first started watching during season 4. When i went back to watch the first 3 seasons i wasnt much of a fan of prues brooding personality. but i seem to be in the minority here 😅
I didn’t watch the show religiously, but I saw the episode with Prue’s death. It was gut-wrenching.
@@jj-vu5ovDifferent strokes. I stopped watching after season 4. As much as I love Rose McGowan, it wasn’t the same show for me.
I do think that considering the circumstances that led to the decline of Charmed in the aftermath of the coup d'état against Shannen and given the fact that a significant portion of public opinion has been turning against Alyssa in the more recent years, it would be suffice to say that Shannen was the true victor in all of this and completely insuring that she be vindicated -better late than never as they say.
@@jj-vu5ovI agree. I loved Shannon, but Rose fit in easily with the cast. Nothing went downhill in my opinion.
Shannen made the show seem real.
Her scenes were all scene stealers
Shannen made them all believable.
Primrose Empath. She was gut wrenching in that. Perfect acting.
That was her magic. After she left it was gone. I think Alyssa wanted to be in the centre
Shannen and holly are EXTRAORDINARY actors.
For the record, while the fault is indeed on Alyssa for what unfolded (and justifiably so), we must also not overlook the glaring fact that it was especially Brad Kern -the chief producer whom was also a central instigator behind it all as he in particular had his own agenda and plans for Charmed -which was rather void to the concept that Constance M. Burge -the mastermind behind the series, had envisioned from the very onset.
Definitely ! The stories on charmed with Burge were breathtaking for the true magical genre scene. Kern‘s charmed went downhill and then became a parody of itself and then became stupid
You know what you are right I don't think the whole blame should go to her but to the horrible showrunners had decided to turn the show into. I know while Constance M burge was there the show was awesome
@jesseds892 Ms. Burge knew precisely what she was aiming for with her creation and Shannen -bless her heart, voiced dearly in her favor.
Yep & she was eventually pushed out even though she was the creator.
Both 90210 and Charmed lost their magic after Shannon’s departure. Periodt.
People say this when it's not true, it's just a subjective opinion. If that was the case, both shows would not have had several seasons after with increased viewership. Clearly people continued to really enjoy the shows.
I get that Shannen's probably you're fave, but keep it real.
@@christianaayodelelost magic not ratings. 🙄 greys anatomy is on its 80th season now; but that doesn’t mean it’s still of good quality 🙄
I agree with you. I lost interest in both shows after she left. The shows lost their spark and became generic.
I agree with you. I lost interest in both shows after she left. The shows lost their spark and became generic.
Shannon had been on three popular shows, and each one fired her for being beyond difficult. I can see that there may have been a power struggle since all three women are very strong in their personality
Even Shannon's replacement, Rose McGowan doesn't like Alyssa. "She's a fake, I don't trust her."
Because Alyssa continued to support Weinstein's wife and children after everything came out about him...
that's rich coming from Rose calling someone fake and not trustworthy. There is plenty of raw footage of her and Holly and Alyssa having a genuine fun time on Charmed. Rose started making those allegations years when the show had ended. She is the one people shouldn't trust, as she is an extremist man hating feminist hypocrite.
The fact that shannen directed her own death scene and didn’t even know she wasn’t coming back for season 4 all of this was done during the hiatus Alyssa really irked me for doing that ultimatum and threaten to sue them
She did know because she mentioned years ago that she asked to put more extra blood close to her head to make it more believable
Agreed
@@hafidbense4934 if you listen to the podcast she said she lied for 20 years for the fans so that it wouldn’t be any bad light on the show outside of her firing
Yeah, I think she knew, her character was actually supposed to die anyway, her character dies in the comics and her spirit goes into the body of a comatose witch named Patience, i think the feud with Alyssa either brought on her death faster or she forced them to kill her character off if they weren’t planning on following the comics entirely.
@@toxicfataldestiny5408 the charmed comics came out after the show of course prue is deceased in them she was never suppose to be killed off if Alyssa left it alone and just did her job prue would’ve been alive in the show and the comics the first comic came out in 2010
Why does this not surprise me?? Alyssa has already lost a lot of fans, and she's probably about to lose a whole lot more! Thanks, Shannen and Holly, for this info.
We're talking about something from over 20 years ago that happened between a bunch of women in their twenties in a very competitive industry. I really don't think it's anything but she probably hasn't learned from. She's so much as said it by saying that she wishes she would have been more secure back then with herself
@@saramarshall2957 Alyssa owned up to her mistakes and she apologized saying she was insecure you can see it on youtube actually so i doubt she will loose any fans since they already knew that even in her book she mentioned it
True Charmed loyal fans understand our frustration about this is you was just a viewer watching just to watch then I understand you lack of concern but what moves you to leave a comment If you don’t care as much ?
Someone else can’t stand Alyssa and thinks she’s a very manipulative person but I can’t remember who it was! 😖 it might’ve been Rose McGowan. Not sure. Something about her being a hypocrite and her husband’s involvement with whatever it all was. Something political, I think? Sorry I can’t recall! 😢
@@hafidbense4934 yeah but if your apologizing why is it called sorry not sorry if that was the case
I was always a bigger fan of Holly over anyone else. Never really had an issue with Shannon or her character but I’ve read that she wanted the show continue in a darker path and with her departure, you can see that they didn’t go along with that route. The minute season 5 opened, you could feel the vibe finally flipped
That’s the main thing I miss from Shannon being on the show
Shannen wanted to keep the series loyal to the concept that Constance M. Burge had constructed. However, the moment that Brad Kern began to usurp the series from Ms. Burge -hence, resulting in the latter's departure, coupled with Alyssa looking to make her own power grab within the casting ranks and also being in Mr. Kern's favor, Shannen unfortunately found herself caught up in a vicious circle and inevitably becoming the ultimate sacrificial lamb of the series.
except season 4 is the darkest season, and its without Prue
@@mt24986 Chris Evans right now and first day back next week we do it tomorrow morning wow first thing tomorrow night and did his new one day did you find out now Friday night and I will be back in my future tv show
It went from a good dramatic show about magic to, how many skimpy costumes can we get Phobe in comedy show
@@skurinskithank you. But they won't agree with you. Classic, don't let facts get in the way of a false narrative 😂
Rose said she couldn't stand Alyssa on the show either. Funny how they always made Shannen out to be the issue.
No wonder even Rose McGowan who was pretty much Shannen's replacement dislikes Alyssa to this day.
Shannen was the heart of the show. She made Charmed iconic and the others along, only popularized it. Charmed wouldn’t be the same without her anymore-everybody just knew that. Alyssa was clearly insecure and envious.
There's a reason why Charmed lost its spark after S3. When i rewatch, it's always the first three seasons. The show would've been canceled after season 1 without Shannen. I always knew Alyssa was a hypocrite. Never liked her.
The show was NEVER the same after Shannen was let go. I stopped watching. It felt awkward that another sister appeared. Rose is a great actor, it just didn’t feel right. I always had a feeling it was Alyssa because she always has seemed insecure in herself and spoiled
It never felt awkward. The story of the new sister perfectly fit in with the series thanks to the premise from the early seasons.
@@Прекрасныйнезнакомец-п7ю yes it did. Randomly killing off the best character and then “poof” another sister just randomly appears😂
@@poshbarbieboi
The sisters weren’t immortal and they risked their lives every single day. So they knew that this was coming cause of their mom who was gone way too soon as well. Paige didn’t appear out of nowhere. Paige’s premise was set out in Season 2 already when the sisters met their mother’s whitelighter Sam and found out that they had had an affair. And as we find out in Season 4 Paige was a result of that affair, but they couldn’t keep her cause having a love affair between a witch and a whitelighter was forbidden. That’s why Patty and Sam took her to a local church as soon as she was born. Paige’s appearance is perfectly explained and accompanied by the fact that the Source wasn’t satisfied with Prue being gone and the Power of Three being disrupted, he was determined to eliminate all of them, including Paige and Paige was the only hope to reconstitute the Charmed Ones thus saving them. That’s why she had to resurface. With that being said, Paige’s introduction added a new dynamic, a new impulse to the show. Rose McGowan did a phenomenal job playing Paige.
Same here. I was very disappointed when Shannon had left the series.
There was no indication that a baby was ever conceived during that affair in said season/episode. Affairs don't necessarily equate to a pregnancy.
Prue's death was so random and sudden that this miraculous new sister storyline felt a bit out of place and it wasn't clear at the end of season 3 that Prue had died. I'd guess that they were hoping to solve whatever issues but could'nt so we got the shock of a first s4 ep. I mean, they flew through those walls how many times? They cheated death how many times? They went to the past,.to the future, reversed or accelerated time and all that but now all of sudden they don't have the power? It made no sense but I for one grew to love Paige just as much. I just feel that her introduction was premature/rushed.
I know everyone likes to blame Shannon cause she had issues on 90210, but how horrible could she have been if Aaron Spelling hired her again for Charmed. I loved Alyssa in Charmed but it’s believable she felt some sort of way about Shannon because the two of them were well known faces prior to the show.
Its truly very unfortunate of what Alyssa did. After Shannen was fired, the show was never the same, it just lost it's niche; just like 90210.
I’ll never forgive Alyssa for depriving us of a Prue vs The Source of all evil showdown.
Omg indeed.
Shut up it wasn't all her it was all the producers they were just jealous of Alyssa because she was the sexiest and all the Fans knew it
🤡
@@haydenduran5979 What does "sexiness" have to do with anything? She was the least interesting and had the worst acting skills on the show.
Love you Shannon ❤❤❤ Always loved your work! Forever Queen !
Alyssa didn't only destroy Shannen's Charmed career, she destroyed us all... I was devestated that Shannen left the show. Always loved her.
Shannen was always a problem on shows so how can it be Alyssa's fault alone? 😅
Alyssa Milano destroyed us all?? I was unaware. I bet if she knew how she destroyed you, she would apologize 🙄🙄🙄
Same. I was watching for Shannon. I love her work; she is a talented actress who was a natural in all her roles.
I knew she wouldn't just leave a successful show like dat where she demanded that She wouldn't do the show without Holly and then when she was Fired Holly was angry and upset told them the same thing but they threatened to sue her if she left as well
alyssa took accountability in an interview and said her and shannon were cordial. why is this being brought up years later?
Not surprised by this revelation at all!😮
I watched Charmed for Shannen! Alyssa destroyed it for me.
Agreed
she wasnt even in the show originally, not cool!
Agree
Prue's death was my first heartbreak. I was 14 then 😢
My first TV heartbreak, I was younger then 14 tho. I share your pain
Pñ
Charmed fans that didn't live under a rock knew all this and didn't need to be told in 2023. Shannen has said before that she took her craft seriously and that others didn't on the charmed set. It was obvious she was talking about Alyssa as her relationship was so close with Holly. This might have been true or just Shannen's view that Alyssa wasn't professional on set. It looks like Alysaa was playing the HR game and following the right channels and Holly and Shannen were "refusing" to talk to the resources available to them. I too have accepted that the show ended after season 3. I bought the other seasons recently on bluray and haven't even cracked those seasons open. Maybe one day but from what I saw in Season 4, the storyline made no sense and it just got worse in season 5 and beyond. I was rather irritated with Alyssa for years her for the downfall of one of my favorite shows ever but that is just the way it is.
Four and five were actually good but for the most part Charmed was a hammy show.
It’s funny that alyssa had the nerve to give an ultimatum saying either she goes or I do! Yet holly and shannen started the show together. On the un-aired pilot episode there was another actress had the role of phoebe but was replaced with Alyssa do to her faith in Christianity and witchcraft which goes against everything she stood for regarding that. For me the show wasn’t the same after prue’s death shannen’s departure left a sour taste in my mouth, how she was killed off it wasn’t good and could’ve been done better. It’s pretty obvious they wanted Alyssa to be the star of the show. Even the intros changed after s3 moving her up in the 1st spot when s4 started.
Pure Jealousy!!! Shannen was the lead character as the older sister, she was the most famous in that era after 90210. Aylssa was just jealous
And greedy. I read that she demanded for more money 🙄
Nope. Alyssa was & still is more famous & has a tone more work under her belt. Shannon Doherty.
Was unprofessional as revealed in other interviews. I have met her a couple times & she was nice. But, work is different.
I wish her nothing but peace & love. Alyssa is a sweetheart & does good in the world outside of entertainment. Rose McGowan is not cool in person. Just saying. Never met Holly. But, has her friends back. That’s cool.
Nah Alyssa was more famous.
She was making movies and Shannon was unheard of.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE.saying shannen was unheard of is a flat out lie and you know it. We knew alyssa from whos the boss. Thats it. Shannen had done way more work prior to charmed which is why she was hand picked for her role. Alyssa wasnt even originally casted🙄
Sounds like Alyssa was the problem.
If Shannen, Holly AND Rose McGowen don’t like you. What’s wild is that Shannen and Rose were vilified for YEARS! It even impacted their hireability after the show. They were labeled problem actresses because Alyssa was so beloved. She still is to be honest.
It’s really sad.
I KNEW Alyssa's performance as Phoebe fell super flat during the post-Prue-funeral episodes. It was like she was excited to move on, you could feel it from her character even. Whereas Holly's performance after Shannen left (and Prue died) felt so authentic and real, and I still remember every step of her grief cycle.
So everything Rose said about not trusting Alyssa is true. Rose never trusted her.
Rose literally said this about Alyssa because Alyssa continued to support Weinstein's wife and children after everything came out about him (and what he did to her)...
@@harleypaynefultsunamiwilli463something tell me she has some link to Epstein.....
@@navkb6156 ohhhhhhhhhh
Shannen’s last episode was the last time I watched Charmed.
Same! No shade to Rose Mcgowan, I like her. Its Alyssa who i just dont like her acting style on Charmed.
Isn't it great that many more people still watched cause it's a great show.
If you have been following Charmed from the start you would have known this. But I guess this makes it more official
I knew it!!!! Thank god we now know what really happed in that period and how things went. We as real fans deserved to know the truth and now i feel so sad that they couldn’t work it out…… the show without shannen was differet and lost its magical and special factor
Alyssa did play Evil Pheobe very very well... that's all I'm saying. I love all the sisters equally. Although Prue had a special place in my heart and her death broke me 💔
so did Holly playing the evil Piper. What's your point?
I love how Alyssa Milano fully admits that she was the problem. 🤷🏻♀️
Shannen should have been the one who stayed on the show. It was never the same after she left.
"You just learn a lesson and look at somebody differently." That is true to the core. Yes, people will be jealous of you, envious; they will even have his/her own problems and blame you for things and try to not have you around anymore. But, when it happens, when you basically stab someone in the back, that other person WILL look at you differently. Its kind of sad because this stuff happens all the time everywhere. The great thing is that (yes, years later) they found a time to reconnect, granted Shannen going through her breast cancer situation. Forgiveness doesn't come easy, but admitting you might have been wrong in a situation is always a good first step towards moving forward. Thanks for the video. Happy Holidays. 🙂
Shannon was my favorite on the show. In the empath episode her actor play is so good ! She was the best actress. It's sad they never was able to find a solution. Everyone has their part of shame. We focused on Alyssa's one because during 20 years it was Shannen fault.
2001 was like 1994 all over again. Another show that was reduced to crap after Shannen’s departure and what little I did see made me wonder if the costume designer for Charmed really hated Rose McGowan. And the worst part was that to this day Shannen’s straight-to-video classic “Blindfold: Acts of Obsession” still hasn’t been released on DVD whereas Alyssa’s “Poison Ivy 2” has but that is only because it could piggyback off Drew Barrymore’s big 90s comeback in name only.
Reduced to crap? I think not. Although the first 3 seasons were great, season 4 was brilliantly executed. The themes, the stories, the demons, the Book of Shadows, season 5 was great too. Season 6 was ok. Season 7 was exceptional. Season 8 was okay but would have been better without Billie and Christie.
I Love Shannen’s movie Blindfold, so good. Xxx
I saw that interview with Alyssa Milano about reaching out to Shannon taking responsibility for her actions and said Shannon was a great actress incredible actress. You could see how much remorse and regret she had and how much compassion she showed to Shannon for what she was going through with her treatment, although Alyssa is an actress if she never meant it then that was an Oscar winning performance 🤣🤣
It’s crazy this popped up bc I’m currently watching charmed on Prime. 😊 love this show!
same
I wish, they would have kept it professional for the sake of the show. Ok, you don’t like each other - fine! Don’t let the show suffer, because of that. It was a hit and people loved it. I would have said: “Ok, we will never be friends, but please let us give our best for the show. You don’t have to talk to me behind the scenes, that’s fine.”
Yep. If you don't like eachother, suck it up. Now if say the other is making it difficult. Not learning the lines and sabotaging scenes or showing up late, or provoking. That is different, but if you are jealous over each other. Like get over yourselves and do your job.
The golden girls did this. Bea Arthur was not overly fond of Betty White but they kept it professional.
@@nomizaksame with Desperate Housewives and the whole Teri Hatcher drama thing. Though you gotta admit, she WAS the star in season 1.
@alucinado1021 I never watched DH but Shannen was def the star in every season she was in. I've said this elsewhere but they treated Holly and Alyssa like sidekicks for the 3 seasons she was on the show. It should've been an ensemble cast from the start. We never would've gotten the cole/phoebe storyline we got has she stayed on the show.
It hurt back then and it hurts even more finding this out 😢 I wish we could go back in time and have Prue, Piper and Paige 😭🥺
I'm sad to hear this because I thought Shannen and Alyssa buried the hatchet when Shannen got cancer and they put all this behind them. This makes me sad to hear.
That's what alyssa want people to believe
Holly is still stuck in the past
@@isalisa909they both still stuck in the past
@@isalisa909 Everyone is stuck in their past, even you.
That’s literally what they said in the video. Did you watch it? lol 🙄🤦🏾♀️
E News again that last quote was from Alyssa Milano not Shannen Doherty. Alyssa has a interview with E News no less and she was filmed saying that quote and to add in that very same interview she basically took accountability for all of this drama she created. This is the second incorrect reporting about that comment. Shannen has been through enough misrepresentation and it’s time we got it right!
She didn't take accountability for all, she took accountability for her part. Stop twisting her words
@@christianaayodele so you tell me what Alyssa meant .. by “taking accountability for her part” in which SHANNEN is saying her part was getting her fired help me understand your point because right now the narrative is she got Shannen fired which is backed by Holly .. sooooo what is your point because what does Holly have to lie for ? If Alyssa made up an alluded to problems on set AND it was DOCUMENTED then made a case of complaints for a toxic work environment that’s definitely enough to get another person FIRED! That Karen was jealous and insecure and she played dirty to get her way. Then Rose comes along and she having similar issues I’d say take your rose colored glasses off sweetheart if it walks like a Karen and manipulates like a Karen wells it’s a KAREN.
I Like Shannen Doherty And Holly Marie Combs
Why are there so many supposed Charmed “fans” who are so evil to the actors? It’s so weird. All of the actors are allowed to speak their truth!
I agree the show was never the same. They all made the perfect show, and I am surprised they handled this well and professionally behind the stage. Things happen in life, and outcomes teach us a lot during this path we all walk through on the earth until we are gone.
Shannen was also said to be hard to work with in 90210…multiple sides to each story, not going to jump on a hate train. There’s also the possibility the producers pitted them against each other to avoid taking responsibility for the bad work environment.
I agree. They were all child star and had egos. I'm not saying that Alyssia couldn't have had diva moments, but Holly and Shanne were best friends walking into the show, they give me " mean girl" vibes and it feels like they are down playing the tension on set. At this point i don't get why they keep bring up the drama with Alyssia she has distanced herself away from the show to the point she hasn't gone to one fan convention. Just leave the girl alone what good does it do the draw up all this pass drama? It's just ruining the show for fans.
Alyssa ruined Charmed! As a kid it hurt alot now I have more closure which is awesome.
Shut up, Shannen is friends with all her 90210 cast mates, even Jennie Garth. If she was so hard to work with, then why did they work with her again during the reboot? Do you know Hollywood brands women actresses as “hard to work with” to shut them up all the time? Can’t stand these stupid takes from supposed “fans” of charmed
@@kikiiza3379an actor from Buffy who guest starred on charmed in season 4 called all three of them horrible
That's not true
Finally the truth!! And what we already knew tho 😔🤷♀️ Love Shannen Doherty!!❤❤❤
The truth? I don't buy it. Seems like an excuse just to not give the fans a reboot of the show.
@@Liberal_From_Prairies689 there is a reboot of the show 🤷♀️
@@jonnyf3374 Sure 🤷♀️
When they removed Prue (Shannon) i got sad. Its never been like it before. I liked Rose McGowan's role and addition to the show though. Charmed was well-known in the Philippines wayback.
Charmed fans been knew this. Also, did Shannen and Holly make up??? They’re friends again???
I wish there was a crystal ball and we could see what happened if Prue lived and pheobe died... I can imagine Rose McGowan and Shannen getting along sooooooo well 😭
Wow this is disgusting I know they both had huge egos and were probably jealous of each other but to go as far as get someone fired... pathetic.
It’s not true, she got herself fired
Both are crazy
Tbf, Shannon was fired from 90210. Which was also produced by Aaron spelling. Spelling had even said Shannon was hard to work with. Not saying any of it was right but there are many different sides to this story.
happens to nice people all the time.
@@beepboop9464 I'm willing to believe Aaron. They both seemed jealous of each other and very stuck up.
I knew this when the firing happened. I didn’t like how Alyssa on video was trying to get everyone on set to say how difficult Shannen was. She was the only one in the end who was speaking. It was really wrong how Shannen was treated! Holly was and is Shannen’s best friend and had her back!
I think we should have a continuation with a alternate reality where Phoebe died and Prue survived. Opening up with them placing flowers on Phoebe’s grave just saying some kind words and moving on with Shannen Holly and Rose maybe even switching out Pages powers for Phoebes in this new reality or allowing Page to not only orb but she gets premonitions adding some new powers for each sister problem solve, there powers were technically growing . Then getting the show back to that like Originals/Buffy like action drama we loved so much. Side note is there anyway you can research how do we get in contact with the network to ask for Charmed return to air with Shannen Holly and Rose ?
I would love it very much since I love Prue , Piper and Page the best! Not so much love at all for Phoebe who had always negatively rubbed me wrong way. Phoebe was my least liked character on the show.
@@pamjarvis2318 yes same here I just wish we new who email we need to hit up to voice our concerns!
Yess please 🙏🏻
I believe every word of it
If I remember correctly, it was indeed an ultimatum from Alyssa, but they kinda made it look like the production chose Milano over Doherty and the whole detail about Milano’s threat to sue was never revealed, I think.
That said, Prue’s character had become rather obnoxious by season 3, she thought she was invincible and had this holier than thou / superiority complex, something Patty also suffered from as it was revealed by Leo in season 5. In a way, Prue ‘s death was foreshadowed eps before the finale. Let s not forget it was also her fault that they were exposed when, blinded by her super witch attitude, she went after Shax in plain day light, something they had been careful not to do before.
I just wonder how much in advance had the producer decided to kill Prue and fire Shannen.
I thought Alyssa getting Shannen fired was commonly known. I remember hearing about this back when it happened.
We all knew Alyssa was the issue but people wanted details. The podcast that Shannon and Holly did gave us plenty of details.
To all the people who clearly haven’t listened to the whole podcast, Shannen said she was addressing “her truth” publicly for the first time because she’s still asked why she left the show. She has always keep up the narrative it was her choice, “her truth” is the producers fired her after Alyssa told them it was her or Shannen, she would sue for breach of contract if they kept Shannen. Shannen stated it’s all in the past now with no ill will towards her, yet fighting for her life has taught her not to be afraid to speak “her truth”, and she has bigger things to focus on these days.
I think they fired the wrong person. 😡
That Alyssa was the reason why Shannon had to go was known all along...but it was said that she threatend to go, and that the Producers decided to keep her.
When you think about it, Phoebe’s actions in that episode were the reason for Prue’s death. Kind of an IRL parallel
I never forgave Phoebe for turning her back on Cole! Why am I not surprised it was Alyssa's fault after all. . . .
Front what I saw on the show in the beginning, it looked like Shannon seem to be growing and might’ve been a star and Alyssa was jealous of that. Once Shannon left then Alyssa became that star, so it just sounds like it was jealousy really
Shannen/Prue was the best and strongest character on the show. I literally stopped watching the show after season 3. Even though I tried but I just could not get into it. It was one of my all time favorite Tv shows until Prue was killed off. I wish they had chosen her over Alyssa. The show was never the same again.
I So Agree Charmed Was Not The Same
Wow, cause I really like Alyssa. I wasn't on the show, so I don't know what REALLY happened, but that's a shame. Even Rose said that Alyssa was not a ray of sunshine to work with.
They're both type A personalities, they were bound to clash and its sad to know it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows off screen. Still doesn't hamper the fact it was a fun show. I hope both can move on and we get a reunion of sorts...
You know Aaron Spelling and his company employed Shannen again and again after she left Charmed. I think that speaks for itself.
Acceptance of it and forgive yourself, not them...forgive yourself and learn from it.
Forgiveness is key in life. Shannon needs to forgive, and I think she will moving forward. It seems that Alyssa felt an honest discomfort and expressed that with another. We can't blame her for her feelings back then. I wish them all well and that they can forgive each other.
Shannen Doherty was the queen. Alyssa couldn’t tolerate that. So she plot to take her out.
And Mr. Kern -who also had his own plans, played a significant part in conspiring with Alyssa the moment he drove Ms. Burge to leave.
Alyssa destroyed Charmed. Alyssa wasn't chosen for the role of Phoebe at the beginning of the show. She was the third choice, and she destroyed everything. When Alyssa got Shannen fired, I stopped to watch the show.
Shannen was the ❤of the show
Holly always keeps it 💯
I have nothing but sympathy for Shannon right now and everything that she's going through, and it's nice that Holly and her were friends then and are still friends now. However, back in the day Shannen Doherty was infamous for being difficult on almost every set she worked on, so I don't think it's fair to vilify Alyssa now because she didn't want to work with her.
These four women will never stop throwing each other under the bus. 😂
Armin Shimerman (the wizard from season 4) noted that this was a very toxic set, the most toxic he had been on.
I read somewhere that Holly and Shannen eventually came to the conclusion that the showrumners did not want the 3 to be really close and rallying together as they did noy want another case of Friends where the lead actors banded together to get the same amount of pay or no show at all. It wouldn't be a surprise if they actually were the force that drove the enmity between the actresses to avoid that scenario. For such a hit show, its always the bottom dollar that matters to those who control it.
Did you not hear a word from this?
That’s amazing how they’ve reconciled their relationship with each other because you only live once and Shannon’s diagnosis really made Alyssa realise her mistakes even though I love all the charmed stars xxxx ❤
Did you miss like everything? 😂😂😂
Not surprised
I’ve met Shannen and Holly a few years ago at a convention, not at the same time though.Both of them were very nice to their fans.
You could even hear Holly kind of holding her tears, it was clear that she didn't want her to leave, and that it was unfair. Alyssa Milano had to much envy
Charmed would’ve been AMAZING with Piper, Prue, and Paige together after Phoebe being the one who died rather than Prue.
It is hard to know this, because Charmed was one of my favourite shows in 90s when I was teenager, and I had big admiration to this characters and know this finished of this way is sad… Prue was my favourite character in the show.
How was Holly able to work with Alyssa after Shannen got fired if she knew all of this and was so close to Shannen? Holly and Alyssa even worked on an episode of Grey’s Anatomy a few years back
Definitely not surprised about this, us OG fans know it was always Alyssa….
I'm an OG fan and I believe all of them are to blame
The producer definitely had a lot to do with it. It's great that things are being said now, I have looked at Alyssa Milano differently over the years, but it feels hollow now to get mad over something that happened so long ago. I'm glad they squashed it eventually, but wow, speak on some truths queen!
I remember Holly saying stuff about Shannen. Like the way she left the network, Shannen was causing issues but I wasn’t there and I don’t know the truth. I truly enjoyed the show and loved all 4 sisters. I wish them all the best.❤
Because of my disdain for Allysa Milano, and this started years ago, I don’t watch Who’s the Boss anymore. I continued to watch after Shannen left because I was a Leo and Piper fan, but I missed her. Shannon is a great actress.
Same. I started to dislike her when she hijacked the MeToo movement for an additional 15 minutes of fame, renamed it Times Up, and once she milked it dry for all the money and put it in her husband's company, then she gave it back to regular women. I looked back at Charmed after Prue and see hints of her femininst ways back then.
My favorites are the darker, gritter years of Season 1- 3. Season 1 is probably my favorite for the ill fated romance between Prue and Andy.
After Prue left, it was See Phoebe in skimpy outfits and more campier show.
Piper was the glue who held the show together. Loved her relationship with Leo and her children Wyatt and Chris. Love Season 7 when the cute Drew Fuller joined the show as Chris and Leo turned dark. Hated how they ruined Cole's character especially when they brought him back from the dead and had him obsessed with Phoebe when he could have any woman he wanted. Season 4 was the darkest season. Season 8 was the weakest season with a great two part series finale.
I don't remember season 4 through 6 that well, but Paige grew on me. I liked the Dark Enchantress episode, the one when she finds out who her father was, the love scene with the best friend before the episode where he married another woman. Season 7 was probably my fourth favorite season. The show was great with Prue and only good without her. I think Season Six ended with them in some weird Witness Protection thing.
Shannon just had that It factor. Holly was the regular girl with the exception of her iconic Coyote Ugly dance scene when she was possessed by Glinda, and Phoebe was pretty to look at.
As much as I respect these women's opinions, given how Alyssa Milano was portrayed in the show, especially after Prue's departure, it's incredibly hard for me to believe she had as much power as the people who were actually in charge are claiming. It sounds a lot more like blame shifting so they don't have to take accountability for what they did. They're clearly scared of the threat of a lawsuit, so still taking no responsibility for what happened in the past means lowering any chance of Shannon Doherty coming after them today. And even if AM did pose the ultimatum, they still chose her over SD, and that was entirely due to the Cole story-line, didn't have anything to do with her - if anything, her threatening to sue made her more of a liability to keep around
Not really. If it was a hostile work environment claim she was threatening and if SD was at the center of it, removing her would show the execs took the necessary steps to address the issue, so the liability threat would be removed if Alyssa stayed.
It's not really that hard to believe. AM didn't make the decisions herself. She gave them an either or choice to make. The Cole storyline being an influencing factor is an interesting thought I had not considered. I doubt the suits making those decisions cared one bit about the show itself though. More likely than not, they realized that firing SD was the less risky option. Spelling had already done it once before and she went quietly. Firing AM would bring the threat of lawsuits and retaliation claims (it would look like AM was fired for raising the claims).
This is assuming what HMC and SD said is true. None of us were there so we don't know. Based on what Rose has said about AM, I'm inclined to believe Holly. If you listen to the podcast, that would be an awful elaborate lie to concoct. I doubt we'll ever hear the full version of events though. It's really just sad.
@@fong03 The case would only hold up if the courts believed SD was solely responsible for the work environment being hostile. Given what AM has owned up to in recent years, I doubt they would have, so SD could've easily filed a counter suit. Either way, I'm not inclined to believe HMC - she seems to constantly change sides between her co-stars depending on whoever has public favour at the time. Back then, despite being good friends with SD, she was often on AM's side, and now that SD has cancer, AM is the villain? Workplace drama aside, the people in charge of the series were clearly the biggest villains. They took a series about 3 sisters mending their complicated relationships and turned it into a male fantasy, and no one can tell me any of the cast members really wanted that
@@T_Cup which is why I qualified the statement with "if SD was at the center of it." Listen to the podcast and you'll hear why a suit from SD was less likely.
How was she "often on AM's side" and how did she "change sides?" The story at the time that everyone was telling about SD's departure was that she chose to left. The delve into that in the podcast as well.
Rose already pointed out AM's alleged behavior on the set years ago, so it not at all that this is coming out of left field. You are also assuming that SD is lying too. Either you believe SD and HMC (and RM claims about AM's toxic behavior on set) or you believe AM. It seems more unlikely that all 3 of them are lying, nut we will just have to agree to disagree.
I think the one thing we can agree on is the execs are really the ones who should have the most blame. HMC and SD talk about this on the podcast as well. I don't doubt that SD and AM were pitted against each other by the suits and whatever bad behavior either engaged in was probably encouraged or rewarded by the suits until they reached a breaking point.
You can see how the way they look each other that they are great friends
PRU's death scene was.devastating to me. I was sad for days.
Phoebe was my favourite but knowing Alyssa got her fired I feel differently now
I think Alyssa was jealous she was getting more attention and she was the bigger star. By getting rid of Shannon she made sure shes the bigger star