Swiss Guns: What the U.S. can learn from Switzerland’s gun laws
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2018
- As gun violence and mass shootings continue to plague America, the issue of gun-control remains politically divisive and has many wondering how to reconcile the right to bear arms with public safety. But one European nation may hold a clue. Switzerland also has a proud tradition of gun ownership but has not seen a mass shooting since 2001. NBC's Lucy Kafanov visited the alpine nation to learn more about the Swiss attitude toward weapons and the laws by which their guns are governed.
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Good mental health and reducing crime which America lacks.
The reason there are no mass shootings in Switzerland 2 reasons 1 everyone owns a gun. 2 it's the richest country in the world by financially educating their people. Low poverty and good mental health.
I keep saying this, and so do anti-gun control leftists in the US - it's not the availability of guns that causes violence, it's social inequality. The reason Switzerland is safe is because we have next to no poverty, and that's why we can afford to have very liberal gun laws.
Although it's also beyond puzzling to me how Americans always ignore the fact that a) carrying is all but illegal in Switzerland and b) while you can use a gun for self defense in your own home, it's very restricted and you can't just shoot someone for walking on your property or because you "felt scared".
@@spacehamsterZH well here in the USA whoever shoots first wins! & losing isn’t an option!
Bullshit
as they said in the report you can not just buy a gun there is back ground check for mental health issues violence or addiction of any form.
@@leosaura1993 we have the same standards in most states in America. Don’t let the media lie to you. Switzerland still has gangs and organized crimes. Where there’s organized crimes there’s a shit load of illegal guns and a shit load of people who cannot legally possess them.
absolutely unpossible bünzlisch
Bünzlig, wenn schon...
At 1:18 the store owner laughing is exaclty how all swiss laugh at this American video
Then at 1:22 and we laugh at your super safe countryman with his finger on the trigger pointing the barrel across the counter.
@@denbeighFinger isn't on the trigger and the gun isn't pointing across the counter. You need some glasses.
I don’t think the Swiss have the problem of gun smuggling like America does.
No. Cause Swiss isn't part of a open border organization which has the former members of the east block in it. Members who don't have Millions of backmarket soviet military arms. Alone Germany has many million illegal guns.
Gun smuggeling is everywhere. This is about about the gun culture in Switzerland vs in USA, not smuggeling.
thewaterdrop123 yeah bit germany still doesnt have massshootings
Demonrats also letting in millions of illegal immigrants, with certain percentage of those illegal immigrants being in Mexican drug cartels. The U.S.' problem is way more complex than they think it is. They (foreigners) should come here and learn about all of the little details before judging, because their judgement is almost always wrong, since they base their judgement on what leftist Demonrat propaganda media gives them, and not what it is in reality. Look at the Demonrat big city ghettos, where MOST criminal shootings happen in the U.S. today, and those Demonrat politicians are always strict with gun laws in their local area.
@@thewaterdrop123 There no borders btwn Swiss ans Europe (France, Germany, Italy,…) ? And That includes east country ?
Full auto rifles are legal to own, that's nice.
They are not
yes they are however you need another license. They're banned in the US@@cantthinkofabettername7016
They get to keep thier Army issue guns after they finish thier term of service but they are modified to fire semi auto only.
as a texan i saw all swiss are honorary texans
As a Swiss guy living in the us we are vastly simular, only diffrence is the language, size, and food
Cringe
"We 'muricans, are just the best of the best, so the foreign ppl should follow our lead therefore it's an honor for foreign ppl to be like us" Yeah riiiight.
1:20 and the criminals will give _no shits_ about any of that red tape, so it makes all of that completely irrelevant other than government monitoring and registration and control.
1:35 Anyway, it's a _culture_ issue, and no, the U.S.A. _doesn't_ trust the government, and neither should anyone, there's more than enough data in the blood of _history_ to tell you why, so the lady got it wrong, it's personal freedom *_AND_* national security, it _literally_ says it right in the *2nd Amendment*
2:07 but what happens when you're _not_ safe? Do the swiss police magically drop out the sky like _minority report_ ? didn't think so 🧐
absolutely unpossible
You can still buy a K31 and K11. Just when you are older than 18.
Nope , you have to write it down on a contract with the gun shop
We already have background checks lol, this does not provide any solutions.
Well actually the background checks we do have mostly only go through the fbi database which has a lot of issues and errors. We need better more extensive background checks like also going through police departments of where you’ve lived, and seeing if you have a history of mental illness.
Plus background checks aren’t required in all states. That makes it easier to buy a gun in one state less heavily regulated and bring it to a states that is.
Plus measures like making sure each gun is registered and having mandatory training don’t seem like such a bad deal to me.
Also gun violence data shows that countries that have gun control like Japan , the uk , Australia, Switzerland,etc all have vastly reduced rates of gun violence than the us.
The logic is simple the easier it is to do something the more that thing will happen.
With better gun control laws it will make it harder to obtain a gun so mass shooting /gun violence will inevitably happen less.
Plus with mass shooting a lot of them have legally purchased their guns so obviously our current gun control laws aren’t good enough.
@@notgiven3971 yup the FBI database is screwed but that is their problem and not an excuse to curb the right to bear arms, fix your system, Secondly that does cover mental illness so if it worked properly we don’t need to add that in it is already done, and if it REALLY worked well it does check your local crime history etc and local sheriffs are the ones to issue carry permits anyway.
Lastly yes Japan has less firearm homicides then the USA but that doesn’t factor in the difference in the US, also within the USA states with more firearm homicides are specifically those with harsher gun laws (like a stupendous percent of gun crimes happens in the inner city) So no I will not be registering any guns for our lovely friends at the goverment. (It is worth saying I live in CA and am so done with the ineffective gun laws (we still have school shootings,) that I am moving out in part for that reason.)
@@johngalt5166 How can you just disregard literally all of the countries that have effective gun control and thus much lower rates of gun violence.
I mean for fucks sake we have a higher rate of domestic gun violence than Somalia and Syria.
www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world
gun control works in countries like ths UK Australia, japan, Switzerland and there's nothing to say it won't work in the US human beings aren't that different as a whole.
I mean the US has a stupider population as a whole compared to other countries. (We are ranked 28th highest iq country in the world overall and 13th education which as an American isn't surprising to me)
Which further supports gun control to keep guns away from idiots who don't follow safety procedures
www.forbes.com/sites/duncanmadden/2019/01/11/ranked-the-25-smartest-countries-in-the-world/?sh=7a6689ce163f
That's like saying if we can't get rid of all mass shootings it's not right to try to stop most of them? that makes no sense. This is a human problem and it has human solutions.
Gun control does work in California compared to other states that's why California has one of the lowest rates of gun violence compared to other states
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/21/states-most-and-least-gun-violence-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/
Plus licensing wouldn't infringe on your right to bear arms it would just make it so you would have to tell the government how many gun you have, training and psych evals.
It wouldn't stop a good responsible citizen from bearing arms but stop crazy and/or idiots from obtaining them
I mean look at switzerland almost every one of their citizens have a gun and they still have low gun violence due to better gun control laws.
www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2
The data overwhelmingly shows that better gun control policies like those in other countries and states with better gun control like in california all have lower rates of gun violence overall.
Does that means it's zero no , but I'd say having common sense gun laws is worth it if it means saving lives.
(Plus having national gun control laws would make it harder for people to smuggle guns across sate borders thus also lowering gun violence)
@@notgiven3971 that BusinessInsider article is full of shit though, and the gun control in Switzerland is not overwhelmingly different from the US one.
In fact in many regards Switzerland is more lenient federally (and even more when you look at California and the likes)
@@SwissBloke
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/4/9850572/gun-control-us-japan-switzerland-uk-canada
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/swiss-guns/553448/
Switzerland has more stringent gun control laws when it comes to always mandatory background checks when buying guns unlike some states in the us, outright ban of fully automatic guns,need a license which is only valid for one weapon ,check the peerson purchasing if they have a history of mental illness etc..
Gun control is a no brainer the logic is simple. The harder it is to do something the less that thing will happen.
Gun control works in many other countries along with switzerland, like Uk,Japan,and Australia.
They all have much lower rates of gun violence and that's because they have proper gun control laws.
I mean just look at australia they're mass shootings gave plumeted ever since they enacted gun control laws., along with gun homicides/suicides as well.
fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/
www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/mar/20/strict-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-deaths-heres-the-evidence
www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
There's a few wrong things and half-truths in this but let's focus on one which is pretty important:
The background check doesn't contain mental health and addiction checks, it's only a record extract holding your current felonies before they're written off. You also don't get those checked when applying for the "license", not a license but an acquisition permit actually just like the ATF form 4473, which is only needed for handguns and semis
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Das stimmt so nicht ganz. Vielleicht nicht alle, aber einige Waffenbüros klären z.B. über "Armeeakten" ab, ob der WS Antragsteller den Militärdienst aus ethischen (schiessen/töten) Gründen verweigerte, und verweigern dann den WS. Ebenso wird abgeklärt, ob es einmal eine Einweisung oder ähnliches in die Psychiatrie gegeben hat. Ich weiss das zu 100%.
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@@71TOXIC eh, hard to be a fan of me when I'm not doing anything than commenting a few videos about Swiss gun laws but thanks haha
The Firearms Bureau don't have the legal ground to deny a WES if you didn't serve, they also don't see why you didn't serve as it is not written in their ARMADATA access. They only see if the army checked the box saying you can't have a gun, but that can be unchecked afterwards and isn't a definitive NO to buying a gun
Concerning any records of you being committed or having psychological problems the Bureau doesn't have acces to that kind of infos unless the police intervened and it was marked in your file
If a WES was denied to you on such grounds it was an illegal decision and you should have fought back
@@SwissBloke manchmal ist weniger eben mehr...
Den Rest lassen wir mal einfach so stehen.
E Gruess!
True but it should. Switzerland has also the higest death rates with guns in all of western Europe
@@cegesh1459 well sure but 87.9% are suicides, that's hardly an internal security matter. However we have one of the lowest gun homicides rate in the world
I’m moving to Switzerland
Well, they don't have the FBI or CIA for one...
Don't count suicides and self defense cases and violence by illegally obtained firearms as gun violence?
As in rare she actually 0 mass shootings since 2001 and that's the only one they have had
A civilian can by brand new full auto rifles in Switzerland
Hmmmm. Sell everything i own besides my firearms. Put it all in crypto. Gain Swiss citizenship. Move.
The cold never bothered me anyway 😂
Bad plan boss.
U can't carry ur guns herr
cool at the end that's the shooting range i shot at when i was age 9 to 12 and 14-16
great people there
Why do they have blankets?
Because it's chilly?
@@SwissBloke lol
Sounds like NY. I live upstate and it took me 10 months for a pistol permit. It was a bunch of hurdles(7 references, 120$ fingerprint fee, 3 page application including why I want one, detective interviewed 2 x-gfs, had to go to nysp barracks and interview w detective, mental health and medication releases, and then finally sent over to a Judge for review and approval) and it honestly stops a lot of people from getting pistol permits in nys because it's such a long daunting process. I get wanting to make sure people are fit but it goes beyond that to the point where it's unconstitutional
Definitely not like new york. We just need a clean criminal record, send it to the police and wait a few days for them to process it. Costs $50, and we dont have to specify what we want. No barrel length restrictions, no magazine restrictions, no mandatory waiting periods.
BUT: carrying other than for transport, unless you have a carry permit, for which you need to prove unusual safety concerns, or occupatial necessity, is illegal
@@monster2slayer fuck NY. Bunch of commies
@@monster2slayer We actually have restrictions about the length of a gun and also magazines. If you have a gun with a folding butt stock, so that the length is lower than 60cm, you need a collector permit. Same for magazines with a capacity above 20 (pistol) and 10 (rifle) round.
@@agentorange1291 yeah, its totally restrictive to have to send in form B instead of form A for the same price. /s
Its a bureaucratic sharade that has no real world implications
You can bypass that by going to the another state and buy there instead.
So maybe guns aren't the problem...
Having all the money in the world. Where do they go?
Just compare the ethnicities!
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Mental health? In the Netherlands a officer killed his family.
Switzerland isn’t a melting pot of ethnicities
It's not true, Switzerland is actually a melting pot of ethnicities. We got people from very different countries here.
We have very good social security and health care. I think this is the reason why there is very low violence crime here.
@@jialiangou1075 no you have 3 white ethnicities Germans Italians and French not people from all over the world who hate your country but won’t leave
@@Summercamp1sland and we still take care of them lmao.
Btw we got way way more ppl then french italians and germans in here.
Im half vietnamese for example and alot of my friends are african or turkish aswell sooo
@@Lilimutz in Switzerland it’s not like other European nations trust me it isn’t like the uk with actual grooming gangs of middle eastern men grooming girls and if you call them grooming gangs you get arrested
You can't defend yourself with firearms in Switzerland either. Not exactly the model Americans would be proud to support.
"You can't defend yourself - period - from a bullet you didn't see coming."
You don't see the bullet you see the shooter and that is enough how do you think Police officers react?
"Except you don't see the shooter because he is in hiding."
Ah so all mass shooters are ninjas and hide in shadow hmm? They don't randomly walk around in plain sight because there isn't anyone to challenge them?
"How do you think so many Police officers get shot?"
By challenging criminals. What happens when you don't challenge criminals?
"Also American cops kill way too many innocent civilians, it's a really fucked up country."
I have studied the statistics on fatal police shootings and the vast majority of ruled justified. Therefore the targets that are killed are killed because of their own fault. Either stupidity or criminality take your pick.
"They're not looking for a challenge, they're looking to kill as many people as possible."
Which is exactly my point. No one to challenge them because it is illegal in the majority of where mass shootings in the news happen.
"Yeah but get this: America is utterly corrupt and will defend their own war criminals like Bush if they have to."
Utterly corrupt? If that was the case then the government wouldn't be able to function. People would be stealing money to the extent where you couldn't finance infrastructure. I think you are confused with Venezuela.
"83 complaints against Kavanaugh got tossed because Supreme Judges get supreme treatment."
They were disproven, found false.
"Also, unlike cops, most civilians aren't TRAINED ON HOW TO REACT WHEN SOMEONE IS WAVING A GUN IN THEIR FACES HOLY SHIT WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU."
A natural reaction is all that is required. A threat of physical violence is met with physical violence. They threaten you with being shot and you shoot them in turn. It is long established castle doctrine being active in the majority of U.S. states for almost a hundred years. Proven time and time again to be necessary.
"Anyway 9/11 was cool and should happen more often."
You are an idiot and shit like this is why Trump won.
"Also your cops are fat as hell."
The people are fat, cops are recruited from the public. No shit.
Just FYI we can defend ourselves with firearms in Switzerland, it's just that getting a carry license is almost impossible unless you need it for work or have concrete proof of a danger
A store who provided me a safety gun on telegram is called Hickok45 thy sell different types of guns
So if the government dosnt think your for to own a gun they deny your application. That's a little concerning that the government gets to decide who has guns.
Nope. Not at all worrying that the G-man gets to decide who gets a gun or that they train people to use them. In fact that it why the Swiss have in may 2019 decided to tighten gun laws even further. Why? Because nut jobs aren't in charge.
@@dirgeslatki3637 and that's why gun crime will go up suckers hahaa. Live in Chicago and the criminals love people without guns haha. Also go to the south side. They dont give a rat's ass about gun laws. You will get murdered if there is a sticker on the wall.
Pussies giving up their freedoms to crazy dems and libs and sjw. Good luck swiss.
When you start hearing gunshots every night you will wish you didnt give up your rights....lmao pussies.
We live in the only direct democracy, we vote for almost everyone in government and have the right to oppose every law the government decides to introduce and even change existing laws if you get enough people to support the cause.
Swiss people think of themself as part of the government, in the US on the other hand, the government seems like a seperate institution.
Also if the government would decide to become a tyranny, the biggest part of the military consists of Militia. Normal people who have normal jobs and only are drafted into service for training and during crisis. The military wouldn't support a roque government.
@@dirgeslatki3637 Yeah, I live in Switzerland, I could have taken my gun home after service, but I didn't.
Why, because I realized that I have mental issues and the government realized that too.
Because, if they haven't done that, I would have killed myself. We have a good government, which is in a tug of war with your idiotic American government/CIA. In other words screw you, you probably rightwing, gunloving trumpvoter!
Well no. Some guns are permit-less (bolt-actions, hunting rifles, break-actions), handguns and semis are shall-issue, select-fires and explosives launchers are may-issue. The last ones are the only ones the "government" can deny your application if they feel like it, but that would be the same in the US with the ATF form 4
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Switzerland is social democratic country with universal healthcare and social security. If Bernie Sanders moved to Switzerland he would be regarded as right wing.
@@davedavids57 if America didn’t spend all its time and effort protecting little Switzerland and others we could be picky like y’all but we’re an empire and the fruits of it far outweigh you thinking your special for getting your boo-boo checked out thinking it’s free, when when you paying with your manhood and a million smaller opportunities
@@davedavids57 Switzerland is proxy state of our massive colony (nato) and its will fall before any of the nifty fifty does.
@@davedavids57 xd what a bs
It is a matter of national sucrity in America to have guns, I have no idea why she can't see that.
No one in the military would attack citizens and no nation on earth would be dumb enough to attack US soil
@@chrisfloyd7316 They weren't dumb enough to attack Americans in the past because behind every blade of grass was a well-armed patriot. Take the guns away and cut military funding and who do you will invade first?
@@KHH595 nobody. You know why? Cause America is to fucking far away to be invaded.
@@thewaterdrop123 bro we’re not in the 1600s anymore sorry to break it to you
@@ludzip You have military bases and nukes all around the globe... how could you think someone would even think of "invading" you... The US practically only border with Canada and Mexico... please, don't be ridiculous. Even the Alaska/Russia border is pretty much a joke.
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1:44
"Whereas in the United States, it's more based on a personal freedom. They have a firearm to protect their own personal liberties because they don't trust the government in certain cases."
Yeah? Got a problem with that former police madam?
Seriously if she supports gun control I doubt she was a nice cop.
You are an idiot.
I think the key sentence is, that we are issued guns to defend the COUNTRY and we will.....
You are making a point to owning a gun AGAINST the governement.
We do have a trust in our people, our neigbours and our own freedom. This doesnt neccecary mean to shoot somebody for tresspassing and to claim it was in self defence.
We have our arms to defend our country against any foreign threat, not as an excuse to just shoot some tresspasser
@@bouncinbetty2032 1:30 "Arin Zimmerman, a former police officer in Colorado who now lives in Zurick says the Swiss model guns and sensible gun control laws can go hand in hand."
Yeah nice job on you being stupid and rude calling me retard when she just said she agreed with gun control.
@@thewaterdrop123 Back it up with an argument or don't say anything at all.
@@michaeltrachsel6046 One of the biggest arguments for the right to bear arms is for the security for a FREE state. In other words to fight a tyrannical government. It's not just about fighting the bad guys across the waters.
Of course there's nothing wrong with this. I'm an innocent individual who is entitled to freedom and just because someone has a suit and tie or a badge doesn't give even them a right to violate it.
You wanna know something else?
Switzerland's gun ownership per 100 citizens is less than a fourth of the US : )
But the number of people that own firearms is virtually the same. Americans just tend to have more per person
You should also check how many rifles and even assault rifles switzerland has per capita...
Lots of regulation
Not really though
Bro, what do you mean? You can literally buy guns.
Nope
"Few Mass Shootings"
-Because Switzerland also has a very few population. As simple as that.
England and frances population is less than 100 mill. But still, there are bombings and shootings
It's not as simple as that. If you'd take a state with the a simmilar ammount of citizens as switzerland in comparison, you'd still have a lot more dead school kids. Why? Because it simply doesent happen in switzerland.
@@mariusk.7723
Apparently there isn't one state in the US that has the similar amount of citizens as switzerland. In fact school shooting rarely happens in the US despite the fact that it has one of the largest population in the world. The larger the population the more poverty, the more poverty the more crimes.
@@mardukdemigod1523 rarely happens? The US had 288 school shootings in 2018, second to that is Mexico with EIGHT school shootings. And thats just school shootings not including all the other shootings they got going. So it doesent *rarely* happen, it does more than enywhere else in the world. And as I sayd, thats only the shootings where little kids die. The reason is not the amount of citizens, it's about education, respect and common sense. All three of those arent really strenghts of the American society.
@@mariusk.7723
Lol 288 is not just year 2018 alone, it's 2009 to 2018! Therefore it is still extremely RARE Considering that it is the fourth largest country and 3rd of the highest population in the world. Use your brain. In Fact most of the Countries with highest numbers of gun violence belongs to the Top 10 of the most densely populated Countries in the world!