Wolves getting both Dillingham & Shannon Jr coming off a wcf run feels like a massive W . Filled their biggest weaknesses bench scoring & shot creation outside of ant .
The thing about Reed Sheppard is wouldn't Pistons have considered him heavily? Shooting is a big need for them too so perhaps the Rockets were worried about losing the guy they liked
Whats good P just watched with my girl and somehow you made her interested in the draft lol. But on the real as a spurs fan I was hurt when we traded Rob until I realized that it was a win-win for both parties. We already have our rob in devin vessel and the spurs got draft capitol to move in a trade for a more established guard and the Twolves got the shot creation and scoring they very well needed and they also have more of the names and players that hide Rob on defense that the spurs don’t have. I love the addition of Stephon Castle out of Uconn and our second round additions of a playmaking guard and defensive wing that we needed. I just hope whoever we trade for with those picks works out for the squad Im looking at Dejounte Murray, Trae Young, Darius Garland type names to pair with wemby and we’ll be on a great trajectory. Much Love!
Pierre my man, Detroit picked Holland and you said that Holland would probably be there at 9, I firmly believe that Charlotte was looking for a wing at 6, and ended up reaching on one in Tidjaune Salaun the pick immediatly after. Remember these teams keep their information close to their chest and for all we know the Hornets loved Holland. I don’t mind taking him at 5 especially if you believe the ‘falling out of lottery’ rumors were just smoke screens
Crazy thing I found out about Holland is how few 3s he took. Read that if he made one more he'd be at 30% from 3 for his Gleague season instead of the like 24% he shot there.
yo p can i give you some advice: your head and body are too low in the camera frame - your head shouldn't be centered, it should be slightly elevated from the exact center so more of your body and face can dominate the frame
P knicks got a good one with Hukporti watched him at Melbourne for a few years hardest running centre I’ve ever seen, will be a good backup centre for a while
I like the Zach Edey pick. It gives the grizzlies a different way they can play. JJJ will operate as a small ball center in uptempo lineups or they can slow it down with Edey and matchup against size as well.
@@twillie9953 Small-ball in the sense that they can play faster and a more 5 out approach than with Edey, whereas with Edey they will have to play more methodical and let him cook on the block sometimes
As a Wizards fan i hated the trade when i first heard we made it but after the draft and some time, I don’t mind it as much specifically because I at least see the vision Will Dawkins has. I think we got 3 solid guys in the draft between Sarr, Bub, and George and have been stashing up picks so that next draft we can get the guy whether it’s Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey. It’s good value for Deni, last i heard it was 2 firsts, a pick swap, 2 seconds and Brogdon who obviously can get us more down the line. It wasn’t what i was expecting at all going into the offseason but like i said i see the vision and I definitely like the idea. Hopefully it can work out for us 😅
What do you think about the heats draft picks, specifically Kelel and then the two guys from Arizona maybe go into that on the pod with the guys Preciate it you are the best draft guy in the media
Would like to hear more of your thoughts about the hornets 6th pick. I don’t watch college ball or keep up with the draft overly but the broadcast (mainly Windhorst) made it seem like that was an absolute miss. Not a hornets fan, just interested
I’m going to be honest, I don’t think Holland was going to last at 9. I of course could be wrong but personally I thought he was the 2nd best player in this draft.
I disagree with the Rockets scenario. If the Spurs were not drafting behind the Rockets, They might have consider trading the pick more. Spurs had 2 shots at Castle, If you let Sheppard fall to 4, they can potentially pick up both Reed and Castle, the 2 top guards in the draft, and Rockets needed to leave with a guard. You could argue Dillingham might still be on the board, but given how aggressively Wolves pursued him, they might jump the Grizzlies pick(They did)
For what it’s worth, it seems like (from listening to beat reporters) Detroit did listen to calls to move back to 9, but Memphis wasn’t offering anything substantial to move up. I do think holland would’ve been there at 9, though, but I’ve made peace with taking him at 5.
it was the same coming from rockets beat reporters as well a lot of team called but the price was high so the risk on losing the player they wanted wasn’t worth it
@@Sqeaky6969 They would have gave up a future pick. The problem is, the Rockets for example, were asking for a king’s ransom for a team to move up to #3 in a non top heavy draft. So the Rockets settled for taking a player at #3 who probably would have fell outside of the top 10 if they didn’t take him at #3. They more than likely will regret not taking what they could get and moving back.
Only thing with Maxey and Mccain is Mccain is coming into the league as a shooter and less athletic but Maxey developed his shot since his rookie year. McCain projects to be a more physical and less quick while Maxey has that but I hope that its not a liability on defense as well.. been through too much pain as a 76ers fan lol.
The Rockets made it clear they viewed Reed Sheppard as the best player in the class, and were very strongly linked to him the entire draft cycle. On top of that there was rumors leading up to the draft that if the Rockets didnt take Reed at 3, the Spurs were going to take him at 4. Plus if you just look at the Rockets using their 44th pick to get AJ Griffin which is extremely good value.
@@pdggaming1248 reed is a more natural PG and can space the floor where as Castle was one of the worst shooters in the class. Reed is a significantly better fit in SA than Castle is
Didn’t Matas only play like 9 games in the G-league? People point at his 22% 3pt shooting, but that’s a very small amount of games, especially for jumping from a high school 3pt line to a nba 3pt line.
I disagree about Reed Sheppard he's my #1 guy in this draft. I'm very very confident in him being a Kyle Lowry with a better jump shot. Which in this draft is probably the best your gonna get
35:07 KJ is gonna be the backup PG for my Hornets. I think he’ll prove himself to be best suited for that role, more so than the other guards on the roster.
p, i love you man, but where are the grizzlies going to give a backup point guard who can shoot, thats what the rockets needed and thats what they got in reed sheppard
@aidanwagner3256 The Rockets were asking for a king’s ransom in a draft that wasn’t top heavy. So they settled for an undersized shooting guard with dinosaur arms who lacks athleticism and had limited volume in college…instead of trading with Memphis, Portland, or Charlotte.🤦
Good move 4 both sides the spurs just getting picks for future trade or moves and the wolves got a great player for their bench and maybe in a couple years starting pg
Hate on the Rockets and Pistons trading back but then praise the hornets for staying and getting “there guy”. Doesn’t make sense, the Rockets needed shooting so bad and they got the best shooting prospect as of recent. The pistons are just looking for bpa and Ron Holland has one of the highest ceilings if that shot comes around. Feel like there was more confusing moves than those
yea as a rockets fan after seeing rafael stone talk about the selection, he states they felt reed sheppard was far and above their #1 prospect n were only trading back or out if he was not available at three
As a Rockets fan…I feel we burned a top 3 pick on a hybrid version of Jimmer Ferdette and Doug McDermott. I wish the Rockets would have had the 9th pick as originally predicted so they wouldn’t have done something dumb with the #3 pick.
@@slickrick8046 The rockets have done an amazing job at drafting. Every single pick is turning into a young star whether they stay with us or not. Everyone is valued around the league…Reed is no different
@@Fvnnymn That’s not true. Stone has done good with the later picks. But our top picks over the past few years are highly questionable. Green, for example, has been one of the most streakiest players since he came in the league. Jabari’s handles are busted and his shot is suspect (when he was being touted for having game like KD). Now we wasted a 3rd pick on an undersized shooting guard who lacks athleticism and only managed to get off 8 shots a game while playing 29 minutes a game.
I think the Spurs would have selected Reed Sheppard at 8 if he wasn't off the board instead of trading the pick to Minnesota who selected Rod Dillingham. And I wish the Grizz got Clingan :(
Respect you but especially Holland I think he’s a different level from those other wings. You can’t equivocate with all these guys just cuz we don’t know who hits. It’s easy to say trade back, or trade up, but to on one hand say teams should ignore mock drafts and go by their values, but then act like it’s clear other teams don’t want your guy or these fallback players are fine options. Teams expected to find the “right” guy, can’t be fully agnostic about these players. Think you are oversimplifying the risks because
I just don’t understand how u feel so strongly about Clingan being able to provide so much value and impact for the Blazers and not have any major concerns about his game but Edey was a reach for the Grizz and u don’t think he’ll be able to really make much of a difference for them cause u think he’s gonna get played off the court and is giving out backup center minutes as the 9th overall pick. To me DC and Edey are the same caliber of player, main difference is Clingan was leaned on as a defensive hub and post playmaker, and Edey was the offensive paint beast with high defensive upside. They’ll both get hunted on switches on the perimeter but Edey has JJJ, Marcus, Clarke, etc to lean on in those situations. DC is a one man band out there defensively. Can he take being played heavy starter minutes compared to what he had to play at UCONN? Grizz knew who they wanted, and if their FO is to be believed, they wanted the draft to play out this way. Edey was their guy from the jump and the GM said on record there was no real discussions for trading up. They’ve been scouting him since his 2nd year in Purdue, I’m sure they have the kinks worked out on how and when to play him. The only issue is that you think they should’ve traded back when it wasn’t necessary. Dont deal with the hassle of trying to work deals out, or risk him not falling to you if u do. Get your guy now, deal with the rest later.
As a pistons fan, i was hoping Reed somehow fell to us 😭 but it definitely seemed like we were set on Matas, Ron was a shock. But i’m putting my trust in Langdon and the shooting coach. in a few years if Ron and Ausar can become respectable from 3, with how athletic our team is, we could definitely be scary in a few years
Why do you think older players don’t have much upside…??? When the history of the NBA completely disagrees with that statement. Most draft picks in the 80’s and 90’s were in their 20’s when they got drafted. Jordan & Hakeem turned 22 during their rookie season. Do you think they didn’t have upside…??? Grant Hill, Vince Carter, Curry, D-Wade, etc. were all 21-22 when they got drafted.
It's because those guys from the 80s, 90s, 00s, etc, mostly, had been touted prospects throughout their high school and college careers. Most great prospects now are one and done, very few guys with high upside stay in college for 3-4 years. That, and typically when people say "high upside" they typically mean more room to grow, not necessarily that they will be bad. There have been plenty of guys recently that have came out and balled after a few years in college, the Nova boys come to mind (almost all the ones on the Knicks played multiple years at Nova), and even last year Jaime Jacquez did his time at UCLA and came out and played very good for the Heat, but you typically don't see these guys develop into superstars now, but rather just regular stars or very good roleplayers.
@@sonole3 Most prospects are one & done in general in this era. But that doesn’t mean that the older players who come in the league don’t have upside. You proved my point with players like Jalen Brunson who turned 22 before his rookie season started. Jaquez turned 23 during his rookie season and he may just keep getting better. Austin Reaves was 23 when he got drafted and he’s a baller. Dalton Knecht has pretty much been ballin’ since he was in college (including J-Co). None of the teenagers selected in this draft may never reach the offensive level he’s at right now and he still has room for growth. Players like Knecht, Carter, and Shannon…along with the previous players mentioned, may eventually get people to stop pushing the false narrative that older players have no upside.
@@slickrick8046 You missed part of what I was saying. They usually mean potential when saying upside, meaning room to grow. Like I said, most of these guys don’t grow into superstars or even stars, they’re just solid players
@@sonole3 First off, there are very few super stars in the league. Most players, regardless of their age when they come in the league, don’t become super stars or even stars (depending on the definition). I didn’t miss what you said. You missed what I said. Assuming older players “don’t have room to grow” is false. Jalen Brunson, who you brought up, proves it to be false and the history of the NBA proves it to be false. Also, most of the young players will spend their rookie contracts (or most of) to get to the level of some of the older players coming in the league who are ready to play now.
@@sonole3 Just to add…older players like Reaves, Jaquez, and Keegan Murray were drafted by teams that are trying to win now and already had good rosters and or star players. They more than likely would have been way more productive if they were drafted by rebuilding teams where they would have more opportunity to play which would accelerate their growth. Just like this year Knecht, Shannon, and Carter landed on teams with good rosters and or have star players already. Which could prevent them from making a run at rookie of the year although they may be the best players in this class.
I really Don’t think Clingan is as good as people make him seem. I’m still curious why people like Clingan more than Edey. Edey is bigger stronger and moves as well if not better than Clingan. Also Edey played a lot of minutes per game so I don’t know why people feel like he’ll gas out now.
clingan was a piece of a well oiled machine and edey was the whole machine. edeys production is undeniable but that won’t translate to the nba when you have the rock in Ja’s hands
Objectively it is if all 30 nba teams agree its a weak draft idk why as a fan u feel like u can disagree even when people not even in the nba are saying the same thing. It doesn't mean good players won't come from the draft this year but pretty much every lottery pick had a major glaring hole. A lot of 3 and d wings without either 3 or d, the guards also had issues Reed and Rob are small tho Reed has a lot more nba ready body and topic who would've been the number 1 guard has major knee concerns with an already torn acl
These NBA teams can't predict the future either a lot of them passed on Maxey, DBook, Giannis, Jokic, Brunson. So I don't care what the consensus thinks
And even if so, I’m much less critical of an up and coming team adding a piece that they see fitting perfectly into one of their last open slots, than a team that just desperately needs talent.
How do you guys know when you stack boxes for a living…??? The league has already fell for undersized players for their position who lack athleticism. Which is why Jimmer Ferdette and Doug McDermott fell outside of the top 9/10 despite their great college careers.
@@slickrick8046 i dont know. And you dont know. Which is why i said it would be irresponsible to assume especially considering there were reports that the team at no 1 were considering Reed Sheppard
@@Chris-fo8rr I stack paper for a living. It’s obvious that teams prioritize athleticism and or size…especially with early picks. This is why Jimmer & Doug were not top picks because they were undersized at their position and lacked athleticism.
The trade for Houston was with Memphis it would of allowed Memphis to get there big man because Zach is a miss at 9 and Houston could of gotten a first for the future as well so yeah
Reed Sheppard probably would have fell outside of the top 10 if the Rockets didn’t draft him at #3. Minnesota had a great draft for a contending team. Rob landed in the perfect spot. Washington had a great draft for a rebuilding team. The Lakers may have landed the steal of the draft.
lord knows i been waiting on this one
All damn day
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Please guys, I dont have enough knee pads for all of you.
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked 😭😭🙏🏻
Y’all killed it on the espn broadcast
Fr not to hate on the other crew but definitely enjoyed NOTB more during the draft cast felt more comfortable
@@cole3749what’s the other crew?
@@pleaseshutup7053 it was Brian Windhorst and a few other espn hosts
Is there a way to watch that now that it’s off air?
@@lillwhitt5753 It's on espn youtube channel at the live tab. You have to skip around the stream a bunch tho to watch only NOTB
Wolves getting both Dillingham & Shannon Jr coming off a wcf run feels like a massive W . Filled their biggest weaknesses bench scoring & shot creation outside of ant .
ESPN gave the Wolves a B- 😅
Did he even talk about the Timberwolves doing that?
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Shoutout to you and the boys for doing your thing on the ESPN broadcast!!
One of the best channels for ball knowers
The thing about Reed Sheppard is wouldn't Pistons have considered him heavily? Shooting is a big need for them too so perhaps the Rockets were worried about losing the guy they liked
Keep up the Great work P
Yall killin it fr man
Been waiting for this
Bro i been waiting on this one!
The goat at it again!
P we been waiting!!! LETS GO
Whats good P just watched with my girl and somehow you made her interested in the draft lol. But on the real as a spurs fan I was hurt when we traded Rob until I realized that it was a win-win for both parties. We already have our rob in devin vessel and the spurs got draft capitol to move in a trade for a more established guard and the Twolves got the shot creation and scoring they very well needed and they also have more of the names and players that hide Rob on defense that the spurs don’t have. I love the addition of Stephon Castle out of Uconn and our second round additions of a playmaking guard and defensive wing that we needed. I just hope whoever we trade for with those picks works out for the squad Im looking at Dejounte Murray, Trae Young, Darius Garland type names to pair with wemby and we’ll be on a great trajectory. Much Love!
Been waiting been waiting been waitiiiinnngggg‼️
BEEN WAITIN ON THIS P!!
Best RUclipsr in the game right now 🔥
I missed the draft so i needed this!!!
Ive been itchin for this one
That’s a beautiful thumbnail😍🐺
we appreciate you peewee
I been waitin 😈
No way Reed falls to 9
W for not mentioning 55th pick specifically like all other medias
P should know damn well the rockets weren’t getting no reed sheppard at #9 lol, someone for sure would’ve traded up or grabbed him up by then
Pierre my man, Detroit picked Holland and you said that Holland would probably be there at 9, I firmly believe that Charlotte was looking for a wing at 6, and ended up reaching on one in Tidjaune Salaun the pick immediatly after. Remember these teams keep their information close to their chest and for all we know the Hornets loved Holland. I don’t mind taking him at 5 especially if you believe the ‘falling out of lottery’ rumors were just smoke screens
This one finna feed families
Crazy thing I found out about Holland is how few 3s he took. Read that if he made one more he'd be at 30% from 3 for his Gleague season instead of the like 24% he shot there.
Been waiting for theeeee boooooyyyyyyyy reaction🔥🔥, and yall need your own stream for next year , ESPN coverage is mid man
After trading Davion, this Carter pick made way more sense. Dudes a dawg and you can’t teach that within players, excited to see what he can provide.
on your rockets take, Spurs would have defintely picked Reed at 4 over Castle P, if you like a guy in the draft you stick and take him imo
also think Charlotte would’ve taken him if he was still on the board
I was refreshing for this video for 2 days straight 😅
yo p can i give you some advice: your head and body are too low in the camera frame - your head shouldn't be centered, it should be slightly elevated from the exact center so more of your body and face can dominate the frame
P knicks got a good one with Hukporti watched him at Melbourne for a few years hardest running centre I’ve ever seen, will be a good backup centre for a while
I like the Zach Edey pick. It gives the grizzlies a different way they can play. JJJ will operate as a small ball center in uptempo lineups or they can slow it down with Edey and matchup against size as well.
How is JJJ a small ball he’s 6’11 but he does struggle to get rebounds especially last season.
@@twillie9953 Small-ball in the sense that they can play faster and a more 5 out approach than with Edey, whereas with Edey they will have to play more methodical and let him cook on the block sometimes
When p mentions everyone but the spurs 😅
As a Wizards fan i hated the trade when i first heard we made it but after the draft and some time, I don’t mind it as much specifically because I at least see the vision Will Dawkins has. I think we got 3 solid guys in the draft between Sarr, Bub, and George and have been stashing up picks so that next draft we can get the guy whether it’s Cooper Flagg or Ace Bailey. It’s good value for Deni, last i heard it was 2 firsts, a pick swap, 2 seconds and Brogdon who obviously can get us more down the line. It wasn’t what i was expecting at all going into the offseason but like i said i see the vision and I definitely like the idea. Hopefully it can work out for us 😅
What do you think about the heats draft picks, specifically Kelel and then the two guys from Arizona maybe go into that on the pod with the guys Preciate it you are the best draft guy in the media
33 minutes in I started to wonder if you were going to talk about the guy on the cover of the video
Yeahhh🔥🔥
Question P. How do I watch film on all the prospects. All I can ever get my hands on is highlights
RUclips channels like The Draftmatic post full college games
didn’t mention the heat what did u think about the Kel’el and pelle draft class ?
P and the white sox hat is like shaq and kobe
thank the lordddd
Would like to hear more of your thoughts about the hornets 6th pick. I don’t watch college ball or keep up with the draft overly but the broadcast (mainly Windhorst) made it seem like that was an absolute miss. Not a hornets fan, just interested
how do you feel about the heat getting kel’el feel like you didn’t talk about it😊
Danny ainge continues to be the goat of this shit
I’m going to be honest, I don’t think Holland was going to last at 9. I of course could be wrong but personally I thought he was the 2nd best player in this draft.
How u gon make dilly the cover u talked bout bro for 20 seconds maximum
You think it could’ve been more trades? Or maybe just bigger names? Lots of picks getting traded in this draft
I disagree with the Rockets scenario. If the Spurs were not drafting behind the Rockets, They might have consider trading the pick more. Spurs had 2 shots at Castle, If you let Sheppard fall to 4, they can potentially pick up both Reed and Castle, the 2 top guards in the draft, and Rockets needed to leave with a guard. You could argue Dillingham might still be on the board, but given how aggressively Wolves pursued him, they might jump the Grizzlies pick(They did)
For what it’s worth, it seems like (from listening to beat reporters) Detroit did listen to calls to move back to 9, but Memphis wasn’t offering anything substantial to move up. I do think holland would’ve been there at 9, though, but I’ve made peace with taking him at 5.
it was the same coming from rockets beat reporters as well a lot of team called but the price was high so the risk on losing the player they wanted wasn’t worth it
That's why no one really made trades in the lottery except the spurs, no one wanted to give up future picks for one in such a weak draft
he prolly has some of the highest upside in the draft so im not mad at it
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They would have gave up a future pick. The problem is, the Rockets for example, were asking for a king’s ransom for a team to move up to #3 in a non top heavy draft.
So the Rockets settled for taking a player at #3 who probably would have fell outside of the top 10 if they didn’t take him at #3. They more than likely will regret not taking what they could get and moving back.
Let’s get it P
Only thing with Maxey and Mccain is Mccain is coming into the league as a shooter and less athletic but Maxey developed his shot since his rookie year. McCain projects to be a more physical and less quick while Maxey has that but I hope that its not a liability on defense as well.. been through too much pain as a 76ers fan lol.
The Rockets made it clear they viewed Reed Sheppard as the best player in the class, and were very strongly linked to him the entire draft cycle. On top of that there was rumors leading up to the draft that if the Rockets didnt take Reed at 3, the Spurs were going to take him at 4. Plus if you just look at the Rockets using their 44th pick to get AJ Griffin which is extremely good value.
No way spurs don’t take castle at 4, regardless of reed’s availability
@@pdggaming1248 reed is a more natural PG and can space the floor where as Castle was one of the worst shooters in the class. Reed is a significantly better fit in SA than Castle is
What time does he talk about JaKobe Walter?
Time stamps?
I think my favorite picks of the draft were Dalton to the lakers and Holms to the nuggets perfect fit for those teams
thank god
Didn’t Matas only play like 9 games in the G-league? People point at his 22% 3pt shooting, but that’s a very small amount of games, especially for jumping from a high school 3pt line to a nba 3pt line.
I disagree about Reed Sheppard he's my #1 guy in this draft. I'm very very confident in him being a Kyle Lowry with a better jump shot. Which in this draft is probably the best your gonna get
Also if sheppard is there at 5, Pistons definitely take him. Rockets made the right move too getting their guy
LET'S GO P
Hornets 6’8 trio incoming🫣
Melo, BMiller, and Tidjane gonna be scary in 2-3 years
35:07 KJ is gonna be the backup PG for my Hornets. I think he’ll prove himself to be best suited for that role, more so than the other guards on the roster.
Why the hell have I not been subscribed, my bad P
p, i love you man, but where are the grizzlies going to give a backup point guard who can shoot, thats what the rockets needed and thats what they got in reed sheppard
My timing elite cuz i just said lemme see if p got a reaction up
Another long vid, bro is feeding families rn
Since the hornets also didn't move down with the grizzlies I'm assuming they weren't giving a good offer to trade up for Clingan.
Spurs would’ve taken their guy at 8. Once they caught wind of that it was a no.
@aidanwagner3256
The Rockets were asking for a king’s ransom in a draft that wasn’t top heavy. So they settled for an undersized shooting guard with dinosaur arms who lacks athleticism and had limited volume in college…instead of trading with Memphis, Portland, or Charlotte.🤦
@@slickrick8046 Im only talking from Detroit's perspective that's my bad for not clarifying. I agree Houston should have traded down.
Let’s go P
Still trying to wrap my head around the rob dillingham trade
Good move 4 both sides the spurs just getting picks for future trade or moves and the wolves got a great player for their bench and maybe in a couple years starting pg
Hate on the Rockets and Pistons trading back but then praise the hornets for staying and getting “there guy”. Doesn’t make sense, the Rockets needed shooting so bad and they got the best shooting prospect as of recent. The pistons are just looking for bpa and Ron Holland has one of the highest ceilings if that shot comes around. Feel like there was more confusing moves than those
yea as a rockets fan after seeing rafael stone talk about the selection, he states they felt reed sheppard was far and above their #1 prospect n were only trading back or out if he was not available at three
As a Rockets fan…I feel we burned a top 3 pick on a hybrid version of Jimmer Ferdette and Doug McDermott. I wish the Rockets would have had the 9th pick as originally predicted so they wouldn’t have done something dumb with the #3 pick.
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Stone hasn’t been doing great with the top picks. This may have been the worst.
@@slickrick8046 The rockets have done an amazing job at drafting. Every single pick is turning into a young star whether they stay with us or not. Everyone is valued around the league…Reed is no different
@@Fvnnymn
That’s not true. Stone has done good with the later picks. But our top picks over the past few years are highly questionable. Green, for example, has been one of the most streakiest players since he came in the league. Jabari’s handles are busted and his shot is suspect (when he was being touted for having game like KD). Now we wasted a 3rd pick on an undersized shooting guard who lacks athleticism and only managed to get off 8 shots a game while playing 29 minutes a game.
As a pistons fan I wanted matas or to trade back but I’m optimistic with Holland
I don’t think reed falls to 9, hornets may have picked him 6
I needed this after the world of politics crushed my soul
Highly doubt Reed would’ve fallen to 9. Would’ve made sense with Charlotte at 6 or San Antonio/Minnesota at 8. Love the analysis though!
I think the Spurs would have selected Reed Sheppard at 8 if he wasn't off the board instead of trading the pick to Minnesota who selected Rod Dillingham. And I wish the Grizz got Clingan :(
yooo
Respect you but especially Holland I think he’s a different level from those other wings.
You can’t equivocate with all these guys just cuz we don’t know who hits.
It’s easy to say trade back, or trade up, but to on one hand say teams should ignore mock drafts and go by their values, but then act like it’s clear other teams don’t want your guy or these fallback players are fine options.
Teams expected to find the “right” guy, can’t be fully agnostic about these players.
Think you are oversimplifying the risks because
I just don’t understand how u feel so strongly about Clingan being able to provide so much value and impact for the Blazers and not have any major concerns about his game but Edey was a reach for the Grizz and u don’t think he’ll be able to really make much of a difference for them cause u think he’s gonna get played off the court and is giving out backup center minutes as the 9th overall pick. To me DC and Edey are the same caliber of player, main difference is Clingan was leaned on as a defensive hub and post playmaker, and Edey was the offensive paint beast with high defensive upside. They’ll both get hunted on switches on the perimeter but Edey has JJJ, Marcus, Clarke, etc to lean on in those situations. DC is a one man band out there defensively. Can he take being played heavy starter minutes compared to what he had to play at UCONN? Grizz knew who they wanted, and if their FO is to be believed, they wanted the draft to play out this way. Edey was their guy from the jump and the GM said on record there was no real discussions for trading up. They’ve been scouting him since his 2nd year in Purdue, I’m sure they have the kinks worked out on how and when to play him. The only issue is that you think they should’ve traded back when it wasn’t necessary. Dont deal with the hassle of trying to work deals out, or risk him not falling to you if u do. Get your guy now, deal with the rest later.
Squint your eyes and that’s 100% Travis Scott in the thumbnail.
The word you’re looking for in the beginning is underwhelmed I think
As a pistons fan, i was hoping Reed somehow fell to us 😭 but it definitely seemed like we were set on Matas, Ron was a shock. But i’m putting my trust in Langdon and the shooting coach. in a few years if Ron and Ausar can become respectable from 3, with how athletic our team is, we could definitely be scary in a few years
Why do you think older players don’t have much upside…??? When the history of the NBA completely disagrees with that statement.
Most draft picks in the 80’s and 90’s were in their 20’s when they got drafted. Jordan & Hakeem turned 22 during their rookie season. Do you think they didn’t have upside…???
Grant Hill, Vince Carter, Curry, D-Wade, etc. were all 21-22 when they got drafted.
It's because those guys from the 80s, 90s, 00s, etc, mostly, had been touted prospects throughout their high school and college careers. Most great prospects now are one and done, very few guys with high upside stay in college for 3-4 years. That, and typically when people say "high upside" they typically mean more room to grow, not necessarily that they will be bad.
There have been plenty of guys recently that have came out and balled after a few years in college, the Nova boys come to mind (almost all the ones on the Knicks played multiple years at Nova), and even last year Jaime Jacquez did his time at UCLA and came out and played very good for the Heat, but you typically don't see these guys develop into superstars now, but rather just regular stars or very good roleplayers.
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Most prospects are one & done in general in this era. But that doesn’t mean that the older players who come in the league don’t have upside.
You proved my point with players like Jalen Brunson who turned 22 before his rookie season started. Jaquez turned 23 during his rookie season and he may just keep getting better. Austin Reaves was 23 when he got drafted and he’s a baller.
Dalton Knecht has pretty much been ballin’ since he was in college (including J-Co). None of the teenagers selected in this draft may never reach the offensive level he’s at right now and he still has room for growth.
Players like Knecht, Carter, and Shannon…along with the previous players mentioned, may eventually get people to stop pushing the false narrative that older players have no upside.
@@slickrick8046 You missed part of what I was saying. They usually mean potential when saying upside, meaning room to grow. Like I said, most of these guys don’t grow into superstars or even stars, they’re just solid players
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First off, there are very few super stars in the league. Most players, regardless of their age when they come in the league, don’t become super stars or even stars (depending on the definition).
I didn’t miss what you said. You missed what I said. Assuming older players “don’t have room to grow” is false. Jalen Brunson, who you brought up, proves it to be false and the history of the NBA proves it to be false.
Also, most of the young players will spend their rookie contracts (or most of) to get to the level of some of the older players coming in the league who are ready to play now.
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Just to add…older players like Reaves, Jaquez, and Keegan Murray were drafted by teams that are trying to win now and already had good rosters and or star players. They more than likely would have been way more productive if they were drafted by rebuilding teams where they would have more opportunity to play which would accelerate their growth.
Just like this year Knecht, Shannon, and Carter landed on teams with good rosters and or have star players already. Which could prevent them from making a run at rookie of the year although they may be the best players in this class.
I really Don’t think Clingan is as good as people make him seem. I’m still curious why people like Clingan more than Edey. Edey is bigger stronger and moves as well if not better than Clingan. Also Edey played a lot of minutes per game so I don’t know why people feel like he’ll gas out now.
clingan was a piece of a well oiled machine and edey was the whole machine. edeys production is undeniable but that won’t translate to the nba when you have the rock in Ja’s hands
Not a weaker draft watch in 2-3 years
Objectively it is if all 30 nba teams agree its a weak draft idk why as a fan u feel like u can disagree even when people not even in the nba are saying the same thing. It doesn't mean good players won't come from the draft this year but pretty much every lottery pick had a major glaring hole. A lot of 3 and d wings without either 3 or d, the guards also had issues Reed and Rob are small tho Reed has a lot more nba ready body and topic who would've been the number 1 guard has major knee concerns with an already torn acl
These NBA teams can't predict the future either a lot of them passed on Maxey, DBook, Giannis, Jokic, Brunson. So I don't care what the consensus thinks
utilage a crazy fake word i fw it
DRAFT P
The least talked about 1st overall pick in a WHILE
the nets had 0 draft selections
Reed obviously would not have been there at 9. Rafael Stone said they had Reed #1, if he's your guy you take him.
And even if so, I’m much less critical of an up and coming team adding a piece that they see fitting perfectly into one of their last open slots, than a team that just desperately needs talent.
No thoughts on bronny?? 😂
He's a throwaway second round pick to make his dad happy. Same way thanasis is on the bucks to make Giannis happy.
Atlanta were discussing reed at 1 i think its irresponsible to assume reed would have fell
Reed was not getting past 8. If for some reason the spurs didn’t take him at 4, he damn sure isn’t making it past their next pick
How do you guys know when you stack boxes for a living…??? The league has already fell for undersized players for their position who lack athleticism. Which is why Jimmer Ferdette and Doug McDermott fell outside of the top 9/10 despite their great college careers.
@@slickrick8046 you may stack boxes for a living but everyone else doesn’t . It’s just obvious in this draft reed is not falling past 8.
@@slickrick8046 i dont know. And you dont know. Which is why i said it would be irresponsible to assume especially considering there were reports that the team at no 1 were considering Reed Sheppard
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I stack paper for a living. It’s obvious that teams prioritize athleticism and or size…especially with early picks. This is why Jimmer & Doug were not top picks because they were undersized at their position and lacked athleticism.
I was bored everytime they took the NOTB guys off the screen during the draft
Theres no way u don't have any idea how the draft works how stupid would the grizzlies front office have to be to fall for any of those dumb baits
Slow down calling the Lakers a playoff team they have been real competition since their chip and they aren't getting any younger
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The trade for Houston was with Memphis it would of allowed Memphis to get there big man because Zach is a miss at 9 and Houston could of gotten a first for the future as well so yeah
Reed Sheppard probably would have fell outside of the top 10 if the Rockets didn’t draft him at #3.
Minnesota had a great draft for a contending team. Rob landed in the perfect spot.
Washington had a great draft for a rebuilding team.
The Lakers may have landed the steal of the draft.
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Can guarantee you the kings woulda took Edey at 13 though