US & China Tensions Soar Over South China Sea
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US & China spar over international airspace and law on the sea. SECDEF speaks with his Chinese counterpart for the first time in years to deconflict actions in the region.
Assistant SECNAV of R&D explains why the new FFG is 36 months behind schedule to members of congress House Armed Services Committee. Turns out, we were not paying attention to the ship builder until it was years behind and over budget.
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The reason why the Constellation-class is 3 years behind schedule is bcuz the Navy didn’t choose Huntington Ingalls, who had the capacity, workforce , and facilities to build it already in place.
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Tricking me into an ad. 👎 Bye
It's not just our shipbuilding industry, it's a nation-wide problem. I've seen this happen time after time. Incompetent leaders always promote subordinates who "say the right things" rather than subordinates who do a good job. It's all about politics.
You'd think that if you spend $2B on something and it doesn't get done, you'd be able to at least get an idea of where the money went exactly
Shareholders. Completely gone once it enters individuals private bank accounts. Why the gov should have, i dunno... auditors or something looking into works done vrs dividends paid to see if contracts are actually being honoured.
@@jackkelly6282 How about we stop paying for products we do not get..... There is a idea..
These shipyards are deliberately putting themselves behind schedule because they can and then receive more money. The way raw steel is processed in these facilities makes sure projects are behind from day 1. They all do this, it not an accident.
We the People, are responsible for what kind of Congress we have. Congress, in turn, is responsible for what kind of military we have.
Vote accordingly.
Voting does nothing.
@@elderbob100 Until it does.
Voting will never do anything. Stop being naive.
The reason you feel voting does nothing is every candidate has one thing in common. They will Al be bought and paid for by lobbyists the moment they arrive.
Our voting system is effing flawed, we don't really get a say and instead we are ruled over by people who we have no say in because of the "winner take all" local districting. Congress doesn't represent us at all because our outdated idea for how to vote means that we don't get a representative Congress.
The fact that we don't have the skilled workforce in our shipyards is not an excuse. It is reality.
If we don't have the workforce. Then Find the workforce you need.
@@m2003h Lots of bureaucrats, supervisors, and diversity coordinators, but no workers... And this after we've denigrated welders and painters for 50 years... How unforeseeable
Should just offer workers more money, usually works.
I see it everyday!
@williebruciestewie they do, but depends who you are and what you look like.
GET THIS MAN IN FRONT OF CONGRESS!
So they can give him the Boeing Treatment?
What would that accomplish?
Then he can read aloud a statement from ground news
This is the "Competency Crisis" manifest. Decades of appalling academic standards, behavioural standards, and professional standards in all areas of society have finally come home to roost.
👏 👏. You nailed it buddy. You nailed it.
If a balloon can make headlines in the US for weeks, I can't imagine how Americans would react if a Chinese aircraft carrier strike group showed up near Florida.
china won't do that. that's a typical american way of trying to solve problems, but not the chinese way. china is building carriers just because there's a big difference between have the weapon but choose not to use it and have no weapon at all.
lol a chinese strike group off the coast of Florida lol
@@Coinz8 lol a soviet nuclear missiles off the coast of Florida lol
What did they get lost?
@@harrywu9567 china would do that, they just have other situations that call for more attention, like blockading another country lmao
I share your frustration on shipbuilding/yard. I like HR McMaster's suggestion that the DOD have multi-year budgets so that contractors can plan forward. Not that it would solve all problems, but at this point, I would suggest we buy out other friendly country's shipyards to start producing for us ASAP. We are playing with fire by not getting production from shells to ships produced en-mass.
Or actually pay trade people proper incomes so there is incentives to have welders? We spent decades saying "trades are bad, college is success" just to have our kids unable to be useful and poor.
@@Daginni1welders get paid well. No one wants to do it.
@@Daginni1 no one is saying that.
@@Daginni1 Totally agree.
Our shipyards are a disgrace. When the USSR collapsed we really started forgetting major shipbuilding and the 20 years we spent in thr Middle East didnt help either. The US is always playing catch up before a war...
there would be a total meltdown in Washington in China sailed and flew of the coast of Florida legal or not
@@r2hildur you're missing the point
@r2hildur I'd say it's debatable on whether they can. It'd be rather difficult sure but it's not impossible for them. If China truly wanted to and put the effort forward with their current capabilities they could.
@@Nero-CaesarWhay could they not sail to Florida?
That’s like basic…
@@Nero-CaesarThe point is that USA sail this ships and fly this planes and in the same time they building alliances against China, sending weapons to Taiwan, sanction their products and do about everything they can to hold China back.
It’s not about a plane that fly thru Taiwan strait, it’s everything above and more.
@MrCastodian I'm aware there are multiple points I was just addressing his statement
Have you seen some of the people that work at HII? If you were around some of those people for 40+ hours a week, you’d understand exactly why a lot of these ships are late. Management at HII is so incompetent, the workers look for any reason to NOT show up for work. When your boss tries telling you how to do your job, when they’ve never done your job a day in their lives, how can they possibly tell you how to do your job?!! I asked the boss how to do something even tho I already knew how to do it, since I’ve done it thousands and thousands of times, and the boss just sat there with a bewildered look on his face, and said “I don’t know.”
As an Australian citizen and tax payer I am compelled to ask the USA to please explain what had been done with our multi billion dollar investment in the USA's ship building industry if you still have the same problems and answers aka excuses that have been given prior to the AUKUS agreement?
I'm just blowing off steam and apologise for my tone to the people of the USA. It's not my place to stick my bit into the domestic affairs of another country, I just hope that you guys find a solution which brings some measures of success and improvement.
As an American I ask the same damn thing.
Some of it went to help Austal build the facilities they used to build their LCS variant, which ended up being a failure because of its aluminum structure. So the US government gave Austal even more money to re-tool those same yards to build steel ships instead. Basically, we all (aussies and Americans) paid Austal to give aluminum hulled warships a go, since that was all they knew house to build. Then, when it didn’t work, we paid them to learn how to build ships out of steel instead. Austal made a whole lot of money off that deal, from both of us, and so far hasn’t delivered a ship that works as advertised.
@sadlerbw9 Hello and thanks for an considered and informative answer, I hope you have a great day 🙂
@@Colonel_Overkill Hello Colonel, I guess politicians and bureaucrats are the same the world over lol. The only difference between the 2 is that politicians are somewhat answerable for a lacklustre performance at the voting booth. This is a very good example of how performance based salary bonuses could be an incentive that actually saves the tax payer money in the long run. Alas many people don't comprehend that governments are broke, the only money they have is the money that taxpayers give them. I thank you for the reply and wish you to have a very good day 🙂
You can blame your leaders. The US cannot build. It destroys. If you want to build anything you should go to China.
I'm an Army Veteran and current Shipbuilder for CVN's. We're behind because of the horrid conditions that the companies work us under. Over the last three years, I've had one raise, $0.42 an hour. That's my only raise since the pandemic, I can barely afford to live, and therefore I won't bust my ass to put out ships. I'm not going to make a multi billion dollar company comfortable if they're not willing to pay us what we need to live comfortably. I've been working the steel for 7 years, and still can't afford a house. You want good ships on time? Let me be able to actually comfortably live, and not be strung out paycheck to paycheck.
I totally get you.
0.42 dollar. lol 😂
Capitalism baby!!!
Our shipbuilders only care about delivering 'superior shareholder value", at the expense of meeting promises. We need to start jailing their executives for taking our money and not delivering even close to commitments.
shipbuilders' ''promises'' sound much like politicians' ''promises''.
Nationalize the shipyards, they only have one customer anyway (the US) so its not really free market anyway.
We can look at our system as a whole, if we don't have govt holding the public sector accountable then every public company(which are all the most powerful companies in the U.S.) has 1 goal & that's making as much money as possible for share holders. The company & all employees answer to the Board of Directors, who's legal obligation is to make as much money as possible for share holders.... It's money over everything, the system only uses anything and anyone until their no longer useful/ the most profitable, then dispose of it as cheap as possible. Same thing with any and all businesses. It's literally the companies job to rip off the govt. and anyone else, unless there's a law saying otherwise and just like he stated '' There's nobody to hold them accountable.''
@@FodgatherOfFootballNFantasyz I notice your list of legal obligations doesn't say anything about delivering to contractual commitments. Some businesses (mostly smaller ones) still try to deliver to commitments while making as much money as possible. Many shipbuilders have taken money to expand their capacity, and still didn't. It is tragic that corporate America is entirely ok with what amounts to fraud.
Why can’t we build things anymore, it’s a frigate!!!
Not only that, it's a frigate based on an already existing and widely exported class, the Franco-Italian FREMM
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire no kidding eh, not exactly reinventing the wheel are they
Short term profits, entitlement and incompetent elites.
@@Aendavenau yep
See the Zoolander pic: What is this, a shipyard for ants?!?!
Sub contract to Chinese shipyards? 😉 I'm pretty sure China has the ability to scale up an already enormous ship building capacity.
And they build most of the worlds civilian shipping as well. The scale of Chinas industrial capacity is mind boggling.
They are planning to sanction Chinese shipyards instead
@@AendavenauThe largest Chinese shipyard are larger then all US combined shipyard, of all sorts, with a huge margin…
And they have several of them lol
Seems like there is a large amount of “legalized corruption”, where is this money going?
These issues need holistic solutions. Improved contracts, improved monitoring and programmes and incentives to get folks into those industries.
I commend you for expressing your righteous anger but avoiding personal or partisan attacks. Very professional.
It's a typical bureaucracy problem like every major issue we have in America, unelected and unfireable bureaucrats!!!
You cant have a well runned govenment because that would be socialism. Just give money to the rich and they will free market fix it somehow :)
More like maximize profits
Like Aaron said they got the money and said heck with it we got what we want @@Mister_Rooster
It’s not what they wanted to hear but, what they needed to hear.
The Constellation class should have been started 10 years ago... but no we built the stupid Zumwalt and LCS
Great video Aaron. I work in the defense industry for missile defense, and the issues with shipbuilding are definitely present everywhere. It's really sad. Companies will do anything they can in order to win a contract and then bleed the government for more money. It's our own damn money! I hope the government does something about it, and that companies have to become more transparent and honest. I work my ass off to do my best because a large portion of my salary comes from the taxpayer. Corporate level greed is an infectious plague that needs to be dealt with - companies could eventually cripple our own defense capabilities all just to show quarterly profits.
Have it on good authority that the shipbuilders are also potentially committing some fraud. They're removing items from welding fixtures prematurely, before completion, in order to get paid for an item before it is completed. To be clear, I witnessed multiple times, the end product being removed from it's fixture prior to completion, to then be finished on the floor by hand, instead of using the mechanical welding system designed to do the work. This increases time to completion, and amount of rework required to pass inspection. And yet the contractor has been paid for when it left the fixture.
Don't just vent about it on RUclips. Report it to the DOD OIG!
@@PrezVeto Already have.
@@AT2Productions Great! Thank you! Do they seem to understand the issue?
Its more than this US Steel has been sold to Japan. I don’t care if their friends or not we shouldn’t be selling out US manufacturing
We've been selling out for decades now, a bit too late to backtrack now.
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire never say never
Its been sold? Last o heard it was on table but not sold yet.
@@MelaninMagdalene Why do you think there are no tariffs on incoming steel and why US Steel is suffering currently or why there was a recent US state visit for Japan… Its no longer hidden from you its in your face with this administration
Capitalism is profits or losses. US manufacturing went overseas because companies were losing money.
After the complete trainwreck that was the Freedom Class, I have no idea why the contract for the Constellations was handed over to Fincantieri.
The inmates are running the asylum. You are stating the truth to people who's priorities are everything but the preservation of America and her defense.
Our Navy is only here to protect the the billionaires companies and shipping. Not the American people.
NAVSEA has turned out to be a jobs program for the Ivy League do nothings. Over 80,000 employees they have. Very few are qualified for their jobs, and they still get bonuses when they lack performance. Congress did its job, but NAVSEA did NOT do their jobs. If fact this malady is getting worse in more areas . . . not just the FFG-62 program. The DDG-1000, LCS, and huge parts of the CVN-78 programs have just been boondoggles spending HUGE SUMS of tax dollars and producing very little . . . if performing at a reasonable rate at all. This problem has been growing instead of getting better. It is the result of an education system that promotes people instead of educating them. MERIT is not in their wheelbook or vocabulary so NO ONE IS QUALIFIED anymore. They do not know how to do it, and anyone of integrity who held people's feet to the fire and provided leadership has been invited to retire, or were outright dismissed. A leader in this country that can GET THINGS DONE is WAY OVERDUE! We are going South quickly.
Are these ship builders deliberately delaying to get more money from DOD because no competition and because they just simply can? Maybe it's time DOD start shopping overseas for new hulls and remove requirements that hulls are to be US made?
They are just incompetent, arrogant and entitled. Its what happens when you cement a group of people in power and tell them they can do no wrong, that they are better then everyone else and infallible. Contempt for expertise and shortsightness does the rest.
Australia also has the same sort of late and over budget problems but with additional issues.
Because our Navy is small, the numbers that we build are small leading to significant extra cost to build here in Australia vs the US/Japan/Korea (a minimum of 30-40% more expensive).
Add in gaps between ship building projects means that you are rebuilding your workforce each time. There is a push to have a continuous ship building program, but the government isn't willing to spend the money to deliver enough of the right sort of ships at the higher delivery pace that Navy really needs.
As a non American listening to this, I have to wonder how much better America could be of these billions were used elsewhere.
What is the state of the roads, or the other infrastructure across the states? At what point does things like energy and water security become more important than having another sub etc?
Also, this Huntington shipyard is also starting to sound like that corrupt Russian shipyard messing up the Russian sub programs..
Maybe China would like to build our ships for us!
你喜欢中国吗？我们只帮助友好的外国人🥺
Not 'Maybe,' but "Definitely", as long as you pay.
Because there's No such law in China prohibiting the manufacture of military equipment for the United States, so far.
@@user-ej5wz5tr6hBut the US has banned many things from China, hasn't it?🤨🤔
The American people and their best interests are the lowest priority of their national government’s praetorian guard their contracted grafters and grifters.
"lying collective west"
They don't hold any contractors to any prices. Lockheed, BAE, whoever, all say they'll build this thing for this much money. If there are cost overruns, we just pay more, the money should come directly from the contractor, they said they could deliver for a specified price, anything beyond that price needs to be paid by the contractor.
A bitchin' sailor is a happy sailor. You must be really happy. Great job on this video as always.
Same here in Aus The Hunter Class Frigates are years behind schedule absolutely, disgraceful
I’m tired of seeing our tax money being flushed down the toilet
trust the jews
Been happening for decades. Both parties are the problem. Both are stuffed with careerists.
What are referring to specifically? Just out of curiosity.
@@unbreakable7633 Absolutely. Term limits. Plurality voting. A more responsible voting culture. That's what we need before we can move forward.
@@fitycalibre7555 Ukraine, latoral combat ships, 90,000 dollar bags of bushings, 15 million for gender studies in Africa, the border 160billion, it just doesn’t stop
We just need our Higher Education Universities to push more of our youth into DEI community organizers majors. We just need many more protesters.
Appreciate your putting this up. The news plug -I agree a fantastic resource and helps better understand who's actually in what corner.
Nice to see someone who Gives a Damn. I get frustrated hearing this crap as well, from an old Retired Army guy, to another Service Member, I hear you loud & clear. Nothing like our politicians sending all our industry to china.
I appreciate your enthusiasm and you know that many in your community share the same level of frustration.
Since we didn't build 2 subs let's pay twice as much for 1, genius
13:42 - absolutely priceless! I AM CALM! I am not calm. Great video - I hope someone snatches you up to address these problems. We desperately need someone in leadership who can see both the trees AND the forest - and then can navigate through both.
8:26 Say after me: Fin-can-tieri!
Not: “Fin-a-cat-airy” 😂
Excellent. Essential reading and viewing. Compulsory.
Thank you Mr. Aaron.
Greed, corruption, lies. Treason
This one is so good, i don't think it should be members only.
I think it's open to everyone. I'm seeing this as a non member.
Members get an early look at upcoming videos by a few hours.
I still watch your old cold waters episodes
@@beedalton9675 That's how I came to be here, and I didn't even have Cold Waters back then :D
whats stopping the use of financial penalties in the build contracts for slow delivery of the new ships?
Why the hell don’t we buy or lease 1 or 2 FREMs from the Italians or French? We can at least see how we like them and maybe do real testing on the systems available on the market and do testing of the systems we want on them on a real FREM type of ship!
You should seriously consider running for Congress. Seriously.
It sounds like some federal investigation need to be started on why these people and companies are not completing these contracts so the people are protected
Decades of stagnant wages, poor working conditions, unreasonable expectations, hostile working environments, soul crushing bullshit jobs.
People are waking up to the pyramid scheme they were born into and are sick of participating in it only to barely survive while somebody else gets filthy rich.
The whole video is about a Federal Investigation.
I appreciate the passion. If only more people had such higher expectations and standards.
I think the REAL shot-callers know we won't be needing anything like these fine vessels in a few years. Just might need MRAPS for neighborhood "security" patrol in certain states.
Like you said the problem is private shipyards
Coast Guard is having the same issue. New cutter programs, ones that are vital to our border security and power projection in the polar regions, are YEARS behind schedule. Incredibly frustrating to deal with and is a big part of why I moved to working on civilian vessels.
Thank you for keeping us informed. I’m a 0311 in the USMC and very well could be deployed in this region in the coming years.
I nominate the Navy for a grifty award.
The people in NAVSEA are not motivated to do it. Nobody holds NAVSEA accountable.
That was nicely put!
Reminiscent of the era of J.P. Morgan...
Any updates on the houthis attacking shipping? Has that just ended and noone remembers?
I think the mismanagement of our shipyards wouldn't be as frustrating if China wouldn't build ships at record speed and if Russia wouldn't be building submarines at a pace not seen since the end of the cold war. We've become decadent, comfortable and complacent, we need to make drastic changes to get back on track in terms of shipbuilding.
LCS, Zumwalt, Constellation-Class, delays, delays, delays, issues...the navy isn't having a good time.
At least the Burkes are not giving us any headaches.
There's a word "they" use when they're having one of their usual tantrum about us doing something normal & legal... Provocative! LOL! Their literal argument is: 1. We're are so unprofessional it's dangerous to come near us. 2. It's all your fault. 😂
Constellation class delays are 100% caused by bureaucrats at NAVSEA demanding thousands and thousands and thousands of design changes from the in-service STANAG FREMM design. Those changes are "make work" to protect the bureaucrats' jobs. Such shenanigans are systematic and condoned by US Navy leadership. NAVAIR has the same budget/schedule busting issues for the same out-of-control bureaucracy reasons.
A Chinese jet launched flares in front of an Australian helicopter... again. One day there will be a miscalculation and the proverbial will hit the fan.
101 of project management. In the commercials, include a bonus for on time delivery and penalties for significant late deliveries. You need both the carrot and the stick approach.
Sounds like someone is paying Guertin on the side. How is someone that is either this corrupt or this inept allowed to remain in this position?
This was an epic and fiery episode 🔥
Thanks.
Someone may be embezzling military/navy fund...
Preach AAron...
Great episode.
Great comments thank you
Well said, Aaron.
I love your passion! I am feeling the same frustration at our elected and appointed officials.
Everything is late and over budget. Sounds just like the UK 🤣🤣
This is why i'm here. Sheer passion is captvating.
Perhaps the original schedules just weren't realistic.
Then don't bid on the contract with such schedules
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire Absolutely, but the buyer needs to get real as well. Especially if there is a track record of primes over-promising on schedule then very predictably being unable to deliver. I'm not blaming the victim, but some awareness is reasonable when it's repeat behavior.
@@StingyGeek True, but it's really not a good look to overpromise and underdeliver
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire Absolutely.
Freedom of the Sea aka United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea aka UNCLOS, yeah would be interesting to hear that discussion. Will China make the US sign UNCLOS and join the rest of the world?
International law is not the US cup of the tea, at least not what the rest of the world mean when they say international law. The american version is whatever we say goes :/
Anyway the US should never say the words international law, it opens it up for ridicule.
That said: China needs to back off, the world doesnt need more conflict and what China does in the South China Sea is opening up a tinderbox.
The South China Seas is international waters under UNCLOS. An 200 miles EEZ is not considered sovereignty only fishing and oil resources rights. 12 miles territorial waters is sovereignty. China and the Philippines dispute over the Second Thomas Shoal is international waters. Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan claim those islands as well.
@@Dept246 Yeah except the US has not signed UNCLOS, they act like they uphold international law but they themselves are not a part of it. Weird right? Almost like they only really care about UNCLOS when it suits them. Hypocrites :)
China meanwhile is doing whatever they want and try to bully everyone into submission...
Look at their qtly dividends and that'll answer a lot of your questions.
Look also at Boeing and the space program, same thing with delays and cost overruns.
I don't trust Boeing building airliners, I wouldn't let them near anything space related.
They need to re open 3-5 public ship yards. The navy needs to build some of their own ships so the contractors can panic and get their act together.
Quick question are these shipbuilders Union shops?
Do you get paid more for ad reads at start or can they be placed anywhere on the vid?
lol "I am calm...I am not calm" - buddy you better cut down on those burgers and donuts otherwise your blood pressure is going to go through the roof 😅😅😅
"NO ACCOUNTABILITY " = TRUTH
We thought the government was wasting too much money and figured the private sector could do a better job. Well that worked out..... :P Perhaps we need to have the government (i.e. the defense department) get back into building things. Contract comes up, private sector and the defense department can bid on it. Hard time and budget limits for both. Any product produces will be maintained by the service - not the private sector.
I hope we can improve the gridlock in production
lol is that Zoolander?
I am calm, it’s fine…. Lolol
Get’em Jive!! We love you man!!
The answer is to ‘Tag’ the Executives in each company and not give contracts to that company ‘if’ one of the ‘Executives’ who does this works there.
Take the lobby money out of politics. No dual citizens holding office and create a one term limit for all. No more career politicians.
When was the last time we heard of chineese war ships in the gulf of mexico
They wouldn’t make it that far 😂 nice try tho
@@Cam-nq8br they dont try that's the point. They have respect for other people
@@Cam-nq8br They can make it to Africa. They could make it to the US if they felt like it. But they're not really into that show. They speak in economic terms
this reminds me of the Bradley. i smell a fleece job
>punish
no more contracts for you.
$1 bullshit. Australia already ponying up over $350B dollars for the ships.
Well said. Not nonsense mate. It's about survival 101.
So the immigration system is not conducive to solving the labour shortagees at those shipyards?