@@SIMON_SAYS_SO So you think these red hairs that looks exactly like Wanda's was an older asian woman's hair? Come on now... You're reaching. It would also bring NOTHING to the plot. Why would they do this "switcheroo" with a character that they didn't even show on camera? The dead woman was not even real! It was a representation of what happened in Doctor Strange 2 from inside the curse. It even represented the destruction of all the Darkholds by a burned books shelf. I mean... Sometimes you can dig wayyyyy to deep, and I think you just did
@heavyspoilers MT, the microbial sediments on the fingers of the body found doesn't mean anything. It's all in Agatha's head. You even see she was not even driving a car. So it's really pointless to find so much weird connections about that detail. It was only meant to be a nice easter egg for people who saw Doctor Strange 2. You went wayyyyyyyyyyy to deep my guy. Edit: It's even worst than I thought, even ScreenCrush clocked that it was just a representation.
So, if you’ve seen it, you know that in her Mare of Easttown reality, we see the “kids room” that seemingly is a representation of her suppressed memories. Her Son, Nicolas Scratch’s name is on a plaque next to a bunny award. Her Bunny is named Senor Scratchy, and theories ran rampant during WandaVision that the bunny WAS Nick, but I think this is a misdirect. Another misdirect is the dark hair In the triple goddess brooch is supposedly Rio (Aubrey Plaza) Vidal’s hair. But I think not. What if… Nicolas was a child sacrifice Agatha begrudgingly and painstakingly committed in the Salem days(Jennifer Kale the potions witch, mentions a child sacrifice), which led to her mother and coven putting her on trial. And to their deaths. When Lilia (Patti) gives Agatha a list of four witches she needs, the black heart on the list is obviously supposed to make you think “Rio” who said her black heart beats for Agatha, but what if it’s not romantic heart, its a mothers heart. I think Nicolas has now reincarnated as “Teen”. I think that just like Dorothy on the Road, Agatha’s full power was within her or with her all along, not as Rio or Mrs Davis, but as Nicolas, as Teen He isn’t Billy, but he WILL explain how Billy will return.
Yes! Why didnt he notice that? EVERY image and reference to Scratch involves a rabbit! His name is Mr Scratchy! In fact its SO OBVIOUS that i was thinking it could be a mislead, however, if that is the case, it is going unnoticed
I think that her son died, claimed by Death, who is Rio’s true identity. Which is why Agatha hates her. Agatha then made a deal with Mephisto to sell her soul or something, in exchange for keeping her unable to die until she resurrects her son, which is why she searched for the Darkhold. But still failed. When she came across Wanda, a being uniquely capable of spontaneous creation, she sought her power to reembody her son, as Wanda made her own children with no problem.
I liked the part where Agatha stared straight into the camera, broke the 4th wall and said: "Tell Paul from "Heavy Spoilers" that Mephisto wants a word in private"
Wanda IS a living Darkhold. Unlike Agatha, Wanda actually took time at the cabin to memorize every spell. In order for Agatha to regain her powers, she needs the DH. resurrect Wanda, and gain access to the book.
I don’t even watch that other channel anymore since MT is here! He’s the OG Easter egg finder master of the universe! Seriously he gets what most don’t! You’re the GOAT MT!
@@jma00a1 You read my mind man. Seriously and if you say any constructive criticism. The guy hidden in the TV will block your comments. Heavy Spoilers is the only channel to stay true to what it is.
Great breakdown, MT!! I just started watching Agatha All Along yesterday (first three episodes), so naturally, I came here for you to explain to me what I watched! 🤣😅
I think Mrs Hart is a more powerful magical force than is being presented as well. Maybe she is purposefully presenting herself this way like Agatha did with Wanda.
I think she is. Because Wanda's hex also gave Monica powers as well. It's definitely possible that wanda gave her powers accidentally. She says Wanda branded her name Hart, when it's actually Davis. But Wanda did not change the name of another character. Herb is Herb, Dottie is still Dottie for example.
agatha's outfit when they are on the road looking for other witches is so evil lady from dr. sleep, lol. and i think her taunting the other witches to try and blast her was actually her plan B, after they didn't see the door to the road. the salme seven were breaking into the house, she wanted to go down fighting. i also don't think the door just suddenly appeared as the seven were attacking. i think they successfully summoned the door, but no one thought it would be in the floor, and so they didn't look down.
I will admit, when this was first announced, I wasn't excited at all, but I'm happy to report that I'm actually surprised with how much I really enjoyed the first two episodes. After Secret Invasion, I wasn't really excited for a lot of live-action Marvel shows at all anymore. (Besides Loki) However, the show feels like the complete opposite of Secret Invasion where I actually feel like the people who worked on this we're excited as hell making this with hearts full of passion unlike a lot of the other factory slop from Disney Plus. Looking forward to checking out the rest week-to-week going forward into the Halloween season. 8/10 start so far.
WandaVision and now this are the only two real Disney expanded universe spinoffs that feel smartly written and with an actual soul to it. The writing team for this understand the assignment
The Teen is Wiccan from a different universe. He’s walking the road in order to bring Wanda back. While dream walking, Wanda stepped into the life of her variant, and that variant had a 13 year old son, Billy. Billy was old enough and experienced enough with his powers to understand that the Scarlet Witch was dream walking. Wanda realized this, and began teaching him. During this she put a hex on him to not be able to say his name to anyone who would wish him or her harm. Billy then began using his universe’s darkhold. But when Wanda “died” and destroyed them all, he knew he needed to find a way to bring her back. He wanted to use the Witches Road in his universe, but it wouldn’t work since the Scarlet Witch is from the 616 (199999). So he found a way to the 616 in order to use that Universe’s road. The road will lead him to the Void. Where he will find the Scarlet Witch. This will go into Secret Wars. After Secret Wars, Billy will choose to stay in the 616 (199999) and will join the young avengers with Kamala.
Ah, a new show set in Westview, a new round of wild and baseless speculative theorizing that every character, prop, and sound effect is somehow the grand clarion call of Mephisto. We're back, folks. We are so back.
I'm surprised no one mentioned the ASMR vid Marvel did on their channel while waiting for this to start. You don't like Aubrey Plaza stabbing things and trying to light stuff on fire? It's still up I think.
I actually enjoyed these two episodes. Though episode 1 had some very cringe parts from Agetha before her memories returning it was a bit fun seeing the witch side of the MCU. If it wasn't part of the MCU you could see this as a random witch show before Halloween.
the parts before her memory return are funny in retrospect. she's basically been the town crazy for the last three years and everyone has just been rolling with it, lol.
@@francislachapelle123 first guy was right but the dead Wanda thing works in the show and for the show especially being apart of Agathas mind...what are you yappin' about DX
@@francislachapelle123 you replied to a comment i replied to you..simple chain to follow, regardless that corny response goes to show my initial reply is more spot on than i initially thought
@@DUBSandChubb I was agreeing with the guy I was answering. The "yappin" part was about Heavy Spoilers and people agreeing the writers would go as far as leave microbial sediment on the corpse's fingers so you can link it to "dark matter" (hence my comment). I won't waste anymore time answering to you, you're not even understanding what's going on so have a good day XD
I thought of Rio attacking Agatha with the fight scene referencing the scene in The Craft with Rio kicking off the wall and lunging at her with a knife the same way, was done like a Marvel version of one of the Exil Ex's fight scenes in Scott Pilgrim but awesome to see Aubrey Plaza just nonchalantly evil fitting perfectly
I think the version of Wanda that they found is the one from Multiverse of madness and she couldn’t find her way back home and Billy is the son from the other universe looking for his mom
I believe the dead girl at the beginning was a dead Wanda from another dimension, possibly the one where little Billy & Tommy existed. "Teen" also had the blackened dark magic fingers which makes me think he traveled between dimensions. Lots of Wizard of Oz references.
I’m going to put this out there: I think Rio is actually Blackheart, who was Mephisto’s son in the comics. So, the character would be gender bent for the show. Edit: I didn’t realize it was going to be mentioned in the video lol.
Just to add fuel to the Mephisto fire Jennifer Kale is the cousin of Danny Ketch and if you look at her necklace at the end of episode 2 it looks an awful lot like The Medallion of power the symbol that was on Naomi Kale's motorcycle the same symbol that Danny put his hand on giving him the spirit of Vengeance. And of course Danny is the younger brother of Johnny Blaze who made an Infamous deal with Mephisto to become the Ghost Rider.
Did you notice during the chief scene in ep1, if you pay attention to the rotation of the "get a clue" mug - it's facing Agatha as the "chief" shares the soil results, then flips back to the audience. It then rotates to follow Rio for the rest of the scene.
I think “Teen” is Billy Kaplan and the reason why he can’t say who he is bc he technically doesn’t exist without Wanda’s magic…..the M is for Maximoff.
Is the dark hold and the ship of Theseus somehow intertwined? Perhaps the memory of the dark pages in Agatha's mind is like when Vision and WhiteVision had their scene in the library. Her mental images of the dark hold are "copies" of the OG, but if you remember all of its pages, then don't you have a copy in your mind?
Mrs. Hart hmm… I feel like she’s Rio Vidal. She loves gardening, a hint that she’s adept in magic relating to nature and the earth, hence Earth Magic.
Unlikely. She’s there because Agatha didn’t want to get Rio and just grabbed the neighbor that loves to garden to trick the others into thinking she’s a witch.
I think Mrs. Hart, represented by the black heart on visions calendar in w.v., may be Rio in disguise. She's the green witch they need, she obviously is on the road w them later on and has a 'black heart'
Boom, you nailed it. "black heart" was said during their exchange so it obviously meant her and I was trying to figure out how they got in without her.
30:13 the signature over Billy “The Teen”’s mouth looks like a WM mashed together to me. Wanda’s signature from an alternate dimension. Billy is there to get magic and restore his family- he talks about his mom and a celebrity during the episode and then says RIP after the sentence. Its ambiguous but I think he was talking about his mom and not the celebrity, and that the black bleed on his hands weren’t a figment of Agatha’s charm addled mind. I predict he’s going to be the fresh Darkhold’s new owner by the end of the series.
Haven't seen this show because I canceled my Disney subscription after they basically killed Loki's personality and the crapshow that Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Plus, after Thir 4, obviously they weren't going to get better. But, I love Disparu and Heavy Spoilers reviews. Also, I'll admit, that song was pretty coom and I really like the lead actress.
I will note, in re the repeated clocks showing 3:33, that, in Macbeth particularly, much is made of the tautology of The Three Threes. Numerology was an influence on many accounts of witchcraft, and in Macbeth, Shakespeare had his witches (the Weird Sisters) cast a spell that ended with "Thrice for mine, and thrice for thine, and thrice again to make up nine. Peace! The charm's wound up." I'd guess that it's this quote, and beneath it the power of The Three Threes, that the clocks are referencing. These guys have really laid in extremely obscure references, though -- it's great!
In the second episode, Agatha wears a dark high hat, bearing a striking resemblance to the soul-sucking villain "Rose the Hat" from Doctor Sleep. Even many of her facial expressions and movements are uncannily similar. I can't help but wonder if this is another Easter egg tribute from the production team.
@@levitafoya New Rock stars made most, if not all, of their contributes independent contractors instead of employees. MT was very outspoken about his thoughts, and was not very complimentary of Mr. Voss.
Andrew Ugo is an anagram for wundagore MJ I loved the Mophisto dig !!!! And hun ….your breakdowns are so GOOD!!! I have missed seeing you on your exquisite breakdowns of Marvel shows…. Your comic book knowledge is amazing and so appreciated!!!! Excellent work on this one!!! I love listening to your process of making it make sense and connecting all of the delicious lil dots of lore, myth, history and pop culture!!!
MT is former new rockstars and carry’s the same energy with him. The over trading into every little scene, over predicting, and making wild claims. Learned it all from the Disney shill Erik Voss
Those of you interested, that horned got is called Cernunnos, a name I took for some time after my rite of passage before transitioning. It is pronounced with a hard C and originates from the ancient France region
Out of curiosity, when you say dark matter are you talking about the stuff from our universe? Cause you can't actually make a building out of dark matter, it would just sort of evaporate, dark matter doesn't interact electromagnetically. It only interacts via gravity(barely), and even then only on galactic scales.
23:10 y’all need to do some serious work and re-examine your way of finding Easter eggs… bro the book card isn’t the date people checked it out, it’s when they’re due back! WANDAVISION takes place in NOVEMBER 2023 and that’s when she took the dark hold from Agatha. You gotta look DEEPER…
@@davidjohnson9719 dude I'm Blk. FYI, but you didn't know that. #2 he was the only neighbor that asked her "Can you put some clothes on bc you naked". This wasn't a racist moment, but it was the only way to describe him. Nothing more, nothing less. K?
It probably doesn’t matter, but for whatever it’s worth the audio description track for the blind identifies the animal outside of Agnes’s home as a coyote, not a wolf.
22:30 while you are right that the purple does represent her magic and being a powerful witch, that was the 2000s costume that she wore in episode seven and eight of WandaVision, as she was literally going backwards through the sitcom eras as she’s breaking out of Wandas spell
@@nbasizzlereels5315 but they didn't actually find her body. that was just inside the illusion Agetha was trapped in. wanda dying didn't break agetha out of the spell she was in, it just allowed her to break free from it. but in the spell, she had no clue who wanda was, or that she was even dead. seeing the body and everything after was due to the teen freeing her from the spell, or so i think.
Can I throw in a wild theory? What if the reason why we and Agatha can't hear "Teen" theory is because what if Teen is a combination of Nicolous Scratch and Billy Kaplan. Hear me out so you know Jennifer Hale "pink witch" talked about how teen was another of agatha "child sacrifice" and in Wandavision when we had the flashback of agatha at the stake almost burned by the 7 witches and her mother for using the "Darkhold" what if while using the book to gain power or whatever one recipe or step ask for a sacrifice of a child or pure person so Agatha did what she needed to do to gain more power ( i mean look at the 2 episodes of Agatha all along and episode 8 and 9 of Wandavision) tell us what she really wants. As a result, because she sacrifice her kin or an innocent to gain power she was cursed to be unable to never know where her son reincarnate to or where he will be possibly why anytime "Teen" gives hints of his identity, she is unable to know who he is so possible Teen (possibly Billy) is reincarnation of Nicolas. Also, Agatha and Wanda somewhat have similar motives when liking to working alone and also mentality of getting what they want if there is a heavy price to pay. Also, what about the bunny, I can predict the reason why it names Scratch is possible mourning her lost son so the bunny being named that is more of her coping what has happen to her in the past and forgetting it I mean episode 1 of Agatha All Along show the room of her son Nicholas being that of someone who died and left that way as though it their in her head but she can't forget even though as time past memories fade. That my prediction of what Teen represents.
I think the reason why Agatha can't hear the teen reveal anything is because Wanda put a protection spell on him maybe ❤️🥲 And teen was also able to free Agatha from Wanda's hex. Makes you wonder where he got those traits from *hint hint*
I really am thinking through the constant showing of reflective surfaces, that Wanda transfered her soul or body back to that reflective mirror dimension we saw her crawl out of in multiverse of madness. There theoretically could have been any reflective surface such as a puddle or metal or glass or so on, that she could have, in an instant, escaped to that dimension. I also took a shroom gummy so i may not be thinking clearly but i also might be thinking more clear than i ever have 🤔
Teen is somehow connected to that car crash in Eastview that Agatha/Agnes was talking about in episode 1, right before Teen's first appearance on screen.
22:27 what I want to know is that, is this scene real? Because the first time she walked that door the body isn't there, and then she starts delusioning and when she blinked the body and the library tag is there. I think it's not real it's just her or Rio trying to wake her up by showing Wandas dead.
i think Rio is a former LOVER of Agatha's! also, i believe Dottie is a the child of a witch or warlock with one non-witch/warlock parent... DORTHY!!! OMG Dottie is short for DOROTHY!
A few thoughts: I think that Agatha is currently suffering from a form of Hex induced mental illness that she is fighting against. The body of Wanda may not be her but the Darkhold itself. Consider that the toe tag on her body was a library card for a book. Why? Agatha’s nemesis -the FBI agent- or Rio likely doesn’t exist anymore. My guess is that she was her sister. A sister that she was jealous of and killed. The lock of hair in her mother’s locket isn’t hers. It is her sister’s. She was probably the first person whose powers she absorbed. Maybe more than that. She is the real earth witch here -the black heart- and is why they didn’t need one. She is there as part of Agatha. This could also explain Agatha’s betrayal of her coven. Toto is more interesting. I subscribe to the theory that he is the soul of one of Wanda’s “kids”. However, I think that his “body” is Agatha’s rabbit familiar who is connected somehow to both Mephisto and her son. Perhaps, Mephisto was the “father” of both Wanda’s son and Agatha’s. In any case, Toto is directly linked to Agatha and probably to Wanda’s hex. He exists because of her. He doesn’t have his own car. That was Agatha’s. The proof was the necklace hanging from the rear view mirror. Why would her necklace be hanging there? It wouldn’t unless it was her car to begin with. The Salem Seven who are hunting Agatha are obviously her old coven’s familiars. Maybe they think they can restore their masters or maybe it really is simple revenge. Time will tell. Crone Mother Maiden it’s all connected.
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SPOILER ALERT:
The dead woman, with the bare feet and scarlet hair, is not Wanda Maximoff but rather Lorna Wu who died on the Witches Road.
@@SIMON_SAYS_SO So you think these red hairs that looks exactly like Wanda's was an older asian woman's hair? Come on now... You're reaching. It would also bring NOTHING to the plot. Why would they do this "switcheroo" with a character that they didn't even show on camera? The dead woman was not even real! It was a representation of what happened in Doctor Strange 2 from inside the curse. It even represented the destruction of all the Darkholds by a burned books shelf. I mean... Sometimes you can dig wayyyyy to deep, and I think you just did
@heavyspoilers MT, the microbial sediments on the fingers of the body found doesn't mean anything. It's all in Agatha's head. You even see she was not even driving a car. So it's really pointless to find so much weird connections about that detail. It was only meant to be a nice easter egg for people who saw Doctor Strange 2. You went wayyyyyyyyyyy to deep my guy. Edit: It's even worst than I thought, even ScreenCrush clocked that it was just a representation.
Its a doodoo show, who wouldve guessed
🤔🤔 Heavy spoilers How long have you been a Disney MCU SHILL??? Mr. Grizzy was asking 😂😂😂😂 Me I am 199 Fellowship for Life..
Ryan Ayre said Andrew Ugo is an anagram for Wundagore
So interesting, love this
@@johnnyrocket2668 i thought so too! it was a good catch for sure!
*Harriet Lengel-Enright caught it, she's an editor
@@solvseus oh! ok! we’ll go Harriet! great catch!
Some redditors picked this up too. I think MT was over thinking it.
My theory is that the rabbit IS her son, and whatever happened to him is the reason Agatha hates Rio.
So, if you’ve seen it, you know that in her Mare of Easttown reality, we see the “kids room” that seemingly is a representation of her suppressed memories. Her Son, Nicolas Scratch’s name is on a plaque next to a bunny award.
Her Bunny is named Senor Scratchy, and theories ran rampant during WandaVision that the bunny WAS Nick, but I think this is a misdirect.
Another misdirect is the dark hair In the triple goddess brooch is supposedly Rio (Aubrey Plaza) Vidal’s hair. But I think not.
What if…
Nicolas was a child sacrifice Agatha begrudgingly and painstakingly committed in the Salem days(Jennifer Kale the potions witch, mentions a child sacrifice), which led to her mother and coven putting her on trial. And to their deaths.
When Lilia (Patti) gives Agatha a list of four witches she needs, the black heart on the list is obviously supposed to make you think “Rio” who said her black heart beats for Agatha, but what if it’s not romantic heart, its a mothers heart.
I think Nicolas has now reincarnated as “Teen”. I think that just like Dorothy on the Road, Agatha’s full power was within her or with her all along, not as Rio or Mrs Davis, but as Nicolas, as Teen
He isn’t Billy, but he WILL explain how Billy will return.
Yes! Why didnt he notice that? EVERY image and reference to Scratch involves a rabbit! His name is Mr Scratchy! In fact its SO OBVIOUS that i was thinking it could be a mislead, however, if that is the case, it is going unnoticed
I think that her son died, claimed by Death, who is Rio’s true identity. Which is why Agatha hates her.
Agatha then made a deal with Mephisto to sell her soul or something, in exchange for keeping her unable to die until she resurrects her son, which is why she searched for the Darkhold. But still failed.
When she came across Wanda, a being uniquely capable of spontaneous creation, she sought her power to reembody her son, as Wanda made her own children with no problem.
@@arc7375 i love that. Maybe slightly fuzzy in the 2nd paragraph, but I’m stealing the rest :)
@@arc7375 Yes but I also don't believe is as simple as that, since that wouldn't lend itself to the obvious drama that is set up
I liked the part where Agatha stared straight into the camera, broke the 4th wall and said: "Tell Paul from "Heavy Spoilers" that Mephisto wants a word in private"
Wanda IS a living Darkhold. Unlike Agatha, Wanda actually took time at the cabin to memorize every spell. In order for Agatha to regain her powers, she needs the DH. resurrect Wanda, and gain access to the book.
I don’t even watch that other channel anymore since MT is here! He’s the OG Easter egg finder master of the universe! Seriously he gets what most don’t! You’re the GOAT MT!
I don’t watch SC very much either, kind of tired of the constant hocking of their own stuff and too long sponsor segments.
@@jma00a1 You read my mind man. Seriously and if you say any constructive criticism. The guy hidden in the TV will block your comments. Heavy Spoilers is the only channel to stay true to what it is.
I love his enthusiasm about it
I’m a fan of MT but…..he missed a lot on this. Perhaps he will post another video covering the obvious Easter eggs he missed.
SR and Ryan only gaf about hocking crappy merch and kissing butt to every film that will pay them $1 for doing so.
Rio Vidal or Old Rival 👀👀👀
Nice. It also works because Vidal is a Hispanic last name, and she says to phrases in Spanish “te dejo” y “te veo”.
Yes
I laughed
I love this. It would mean she has another real name.
I think she’s An amalgamation of Blackheart and Lilith!!
It's not quite an anagram since you used L twice lol.
Old Rivia works tho. Maybe Rio Vidal is from The Witcher universe lol.
Great breakdown, MT!! I just started watching Agatha All Along yesterday (first three episodes), so naturally, I came here for you to explain to me what I watched! 🤣😅
I think it would be cool if it turned out that Mrs. Hart was actually a witch who hadn’t awakened her powers yet. Fate and all that jazz.
Bro when they took her I was like “They’re gonna kill the mom from that 70’s show!” So I hope your thing is true instead of
I think Mrs Hart is a more powerful magical force than is being presented as well. Maybe she is purposefully presenting herself this way like Agatha did with Wanda.
@@jillg9108 she was able to break out of the hex a little as she was begging Wanda to stop. Of course, the same can be said about Dottie.
@@kaykay79yep!
I think she is. Because Wanda's hex also gave Monica powers as well. It's definitely possible that wanda gave her powers accidentally.
She says Wanda branded her name Hart, when it's actually Davis. But Wanda did not change the name of another character. Herb is Herb, Dottie is still Dottie for example.
Andrew Ugo is an anagram of Wundagore. The books were burned because Wanda destroyed all copies of the Darkhold.
What or who is a wundagore?
@@kangadonisMt. Wundagore... Did you see Multiverse of Madness?? That is what allegedly 'killed' Wanda when it collapsed on top of her
Omg I'm so happy I found this video of MT breaking stuff down! You're the best!
agatha's outfit when they are on the road looking for other witches is so evil lady from dr. sleep, lol.
and i think her taunting the other witches to try and blast her was actually her plan B, after they didn't see the door to the road. the salme seven were breaking into the house, she wanted to go down fighting. i also don't think the door just suddenly appeared as the seven were attacking. i think they successfully summoned the door, but no one thought it would be in the floor, and so they didn't look down.
I will admit, when this was first announced, I wasn't excited at all, but I'm happy to report that I'm actually surprised with how much I really enjoyed the first two episodes. After Secret Invasion, I wasn't really excited for a lot of live-action Marvel shows at all anymore. (Besides Loki) However, the show feels like the complete opposite of Secret Invasion where I actually feel like the people who worked on this we're excited as hell making this with hearts full of passion unlike a lot of the other factory slop from Disney Plus. Looking forward to checking out the rest week-to-week going forward into the Halloween season. 8/10 start so far.
It is refreshing first two episodes were very good hopefully Disney doesn’t blow it
WandaVision and now this are the only two real Disney expanded universe spinoffs that feel smartly written and with an actual soul to it. The writing team for this understand the assignment
The Teen is Wiccan from a different universe. He’s walking the road in order to bring Wanda back. While dream walking, Wanda stepped into the life of her variant, and that variant had a 13 year old son, Billy. Billy was old enough and experienced enough with his powers to understand that the Scarlet Witch was dream walking. Wanda realized this, and began teaching him. During this she put a hex on him to not be able to say his name to anyone who would wish him or her harm. Billy then began using his universe’s darkhold. But when Wanda “died” and destroyed them all, he knew he needed to find a way to bring her back. He wanted to use the Witches Road in his universe, but it wouldn’t work since the Scarlet Witch is from the 616 (199999). So he found a way to the 616 in order to use that Universe’s road. The road will lead him to the Void. Where he will find the Scarlet Witch. This will go into Secret Wars. After Secret Wars, Billy will choose to stay in the 616 (199999) and will join the young avengers with Kamala.
Dude ngl, i have the same theory! You wrote it down exactly as it is!😮
Feels needlessly convoluted. If Wanda on his universe could use magic and teach it to him, she was also a Scarlet Witch.
@@Yoda_Saint_Cloud well. :(
Ah, a new show set in Westview, a new round of wild and baseless speculative theorizing that every character, prop, and sound effect is somehow the grand clarion call of Mephisto. We're back, folks. We are so back.
What's good my " Bad Witches and Agathots " lmao...😂🤣😭
Which one of you RUclips channels is going to actually catch the REALLY MOST SINCERELY DEAD Wizard of Oz reference first...? 😂
Also the book author is an anagram...which I figured, but another channel shared the answer...WUNDAGORE.
I'm surprised no one mentioned the ASMR vid Marvel did on their channel while waiting for this to start. You don't like Aubrey Plaza stabbing things and trying to light stuff on fire? It's still up I think.
Exacly, @@sleinadb. This recap is FAR from complete.
Also, these folk most likely had time to review these eps early, and we are getting phoned-in breakdowns
The supposed M reads like a W to me... But then again, I learned calligraphy a long time ago 😂
I actually enjoyed these two episodes. Though episode 1 had some very cringe parts from Agetha before her memories returning it was a bit fun seeing the witch side of the MCU. If it wasn't part of the MCU you could see this as a random witch show before Halloween.
the parts before her memory return are funny in retrospect. she's basically been the town crazy for the last three years and everyone has just been rolling with it, lol.
@@kreiyuYea when she gets in her ‘car’😂
Herb saying "she's really most sincerely dead" was a BRILLIANT quote from the Munchkin Coroner from Wizard Of Oz...
The details some of yall think they actually pay attention to like the reason Wongs dagger doesn't stick in the mountain is wild to me
Yes, writers for these TV shows don't think that much. And the dead woman wasn't even real, it was in Agatha's mind, so wtf are they yappin' about XD
@@francislachapelle123 first guy was right but the dead Wanda thing works in the show and for the show especially being apart of Agathas mind...what are you yappin' about DX
@@DUBSandChubb The first guy, meaning...MT? You are not even understanding the interaction, so why participate?
@@francislachapelle123 you replied to a comment i replied to you..simple chain to follow, regardless that corny response goes to show my initial reply is more spot on than i initially thought
@@DUBSandChubb I was agreeing with the guy I was answering. The "yappin" part was about Heavy Spoilers and people agreeing the writers would go as far as leave microbial sediment on the corpse's fingers so you can link it to "dark matter" (hence my comment). I won't waste anymore time answering to you, you're not even understanding what's going on so have a good day XD
I thought of Rio attacking Agatha with the fight scene referencing the scene in The Craft with Rio kicking off the wall and lunging at her with a knife the same way, was done like a Marvel version of one of the Exil Ex's fight scenes in Scott Pilgrim but awesome to see Aubrey Plaza just nonchalantly evil fitting perfectly
I loved seeing Agatha become Mare of Easttown. I recognized that Easter egg right off
She's not a horse though
They meant the hbo show mare of east town 😊@@SeaGlass-p9x
I feel bad for those who aren't aware of Mare of Eastown because the show got so many details right! It was really well done
I think the version of Wanda that they found is the one from Multiverse of madness and she couldn’t find her way back home and Billy is the son from the other universe looking for his mom
Perfect timing. Thank you, MT!
Andrew Ugo spells out Wundagore if you switch the letters around.
I believe the dead girl at the beginning was a dead Wanda from another dimension, possibly the one where little Billy & Tommy existed. "Teen" also had the blackened dark magic fingers which makes me think he traveled between dimensions. Lots of Wizard of Oz references.
And on the witches road you can say they're "not in kansas anymore"
It’s sad how this show is getting review bombed. It’s a really good show.
Agreed.
nah the acting is so bad
@@BLNKSL8KAMno it ain’t
@@Mir215philly it is
@@BLNKSL8KAM what’s so bad about it bruh the hate be real
I’m going to put this out there: I think Rio is actually Blackheart, who was Mephisto’s son in the comics. So, the character would be gender bent for the show.
Edit: I didn’t realize it was going to be mentioned in the video lol.
@@BlindedBraille nice.. black heart.. and they just released a baf of him
@@joellim7521 I read a lot of complaints about that wave of Legends but I think it's pretty cool.
Just to add fuel to the Mephisto fire Jennifer Kale is the cousin of Danny Ketch and if you look at her necklace at the end of episode 2 it looks an awful lot like The Medallion of power the symbol that was on Naomi Kale's motorcycle the same symbol that Danny put his hand on giving him the spirit of Vengeance. And of course Danny is the younger brother of Johnny Blaze who made an Infamous deal with Mephisto to become the Ghost Rider.
MT literally says this 😅
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Did you notice during the chief scene in ep1, if you pay attention to the rotation of the "get a clue" mug - it's facing Agatha as the "chief" shares the soil results, then flips back to the audience. It then rotates to follow Rio for the rest of the scene.
Little foreshadowing with Mrs Hart's shoe not making up a part of the pentagram that the other shoes made was nice.
The Author of the book name is Andrew Ugo. Andrew Ugo is an anagram for Wundagore.
I think “Teen” is Billy Kaplan and the reason why he can’t say who he is bc he technically doesn’t exist without Wanda’s magic…..the M is for Maximoff.
Andrew Ugo is an Anagram of WUNDAGORE!!!! found out by your favorite SCREEN CRUSH
Is the dark hold and the ship of Theseus somehow intertwined? Perhaps the memory of the dark pages in Agatha's mind is like when Vision and WhiteVision had their scene in the library. Her mental images of the dark hold are "copies" of the OG, but if you remember all of its pages, then don't you have a copy in your mind?
yes
I love this show. Thanks for covering it.
great job MT ! love seeing you do good
MT. Thank you so much for all your reviews on Acolyte and now Agatha. My boy knows his witches
After what she did to the puppy they give her a show
Yeah, but it's Disney+, so this could be a punishment
lol
The Agatha and Kristi Noem show
HAHAHA
10:20 my man analzyed the name "Andrew Ugo" but didnt realize its an anagram for Wundagore lol
Best review thus far. Good job 👍🏾
Mrs. Hart hmm… I feel like she’s Rio Vidal. She loves gardening, a hint that she’s adept in magic relating to nature and the earth, hence Earth Magic.
Unlikely. She’s there because Agatha didn’t want to get Rio and just grabbed the neighbor that loves to garden to trick the others into thinking she’s a witch.
so Dorothy in the wizard of oz is a witch and the scarecrow, lion and tin man are her coven, that is why tapping her feet takes her home
I think Mrs. Hart, represented by the black heart on visions calendar in w.v., may be Rio in disguise. She's the green witch they need, she obviously is on the road w them later on and has a 'black heart'
Doesn’t mephisto have a child called Black Heart?
@ryno1509 that he does. That was Wes Bentleys character in ghost rider 2007, that'd be a cool twist
Boom, you nailed it. "black heart" was said during their exchange so it obviously meant her and I was trying to figure out how they got in without her.
The black heart is a hint at episode 2 as her being marked as last member of the covine with a black heart
30:13 the signature over Billy “The Teen”’s mouth looks like a WM mashed together to me. Wanda’s signature from an alternate dimension. Billy is there to get magic and restore his family- he talks about his mom and a celebrity during the episode and then says RIP after the sentence. Its ambiguous but I think he was talking about his mom and not the celebrity, and that the black bleed on his hands weren’t a figment of Agatha’s charm addled mind. I predict he’s going to be the fresh Darkhold’s new owner by the end of the series.
Billy is also called Wicken and is known to be gay in the comics.
Haven't seen this show because I canceled my Disney subscription after they basically killed Loki's personality and the crapshow that Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Plus, after Thir 4, obviously they weren't going to get better. But, I love Disparu and Heavy Spoilers reviews. Also, I'll admit, that song was pretty coom and I really like the lead actress.
You forgot the "shes really most sincerely dead" quote from wizard of oz
10:32 it's just an anagram for Wundagore, dude
THANK YOU BRO. Oblivious isn’t he?
This was such a great breakdown MT!
Agatha mentioned miss harts garden, the pictures of flowers plus the witches road still worked with a "none witch" in the coven is suspect
I will note, in re the repeated clocks showing 3:33, that, in Macbeth particularly, much is made of the tautology of The Three Threes. Numerology was an influence on many accounts of witchcraft, and in Macbeth, Shakespeare had his witches (the Weird Sisters) cast a spell that ended with "Thrice for mine, and thrice for thine, and thrice again to make up nine. Peace! The charm's wound up." I'd guess that it's this quote, and beneath it the power of The Three Threes, that the clocks are referencing. These guys have really laid in extremely obscure references, though -- it's great!
if ever Herb/John isn't able to be a part of a series, they should absolutely hire MT!!!
Awesome breakdown! I don’t have any big theories, I’m just here for the ride! 😂
In the second episode, Agatha wears a dark high hat, bearing a striking resemblance to the soul-sucking villain "Rose the Hat" from Doctor Sleep. Even many of her facial expressions and movements are uncannily similar. I can't help but wonder if this is another Easter egg tribute from the production team.
I liked Rose the Hat. She feels like a good callback, especially for a story like this.
26:21 woah talking about Eric Voss possibly maybe👀😂
MAYBE?!?
Woah they got beef? Been gone for a bit what happen!?
What’s the beef there?
@@levitafoya New Rock stars made most, if not all, of their contributes independent contractors instead of employees. MT was very outspoken about his thoughts, and was not very complimentary of Mr. Voss.
Andrew Ugo is an anagram for wundagore
MJ I loved the Mophisto dig !!!! And hun ….your breakdowns are so GOOD!!! I have missed seeing you on your exquisite breakdowns of Marvel shows…. Your comic book knowledge is amazing and so appreciated!!!!
Excellent work on this one!!! I love listening to your process of making it make sense and connecting all of the delicious lil dots of lore, myth, history and pop culture!!!
Love ya MT! Love your breakdown
Seems like Mephisto baiting isnt just a New Rockstars thing
the master baiters
I mean MT used to work at New Rockstars so
NOT THE BEES!
- Ryan Arey said calmly
The Teen does drive the plot. I'm on Team Mephisto.
MT is former new rockstars and carry’s the same energy with him. The over trading into every little scene, over predicting, and making wild claims. Learned it all from the Disney shill Erik Voss
God damn!!!
Love seeing and hearing you doing this stuff!
I could listen to you do this all day.
I’m not gonna lie that’s the funniest intro I’ve ever heard😂💜👏🏽
Those of you interested, that horned got is called Cernunnos, a name I took for some time after my rite of passage before transitioning. It is pronounced with a hard C and originates from the ancient France region
Out of curiosity, when you say dark matter are you talking about the stuff from our universe? Cause you can't actually make a building out of dark matter, it would just sort of evaporate, dark matter doesn't interact electromagnetically. It only interacts via gravity(barely), and even then only on galactic scales.
Yeah totally real life dark matter . Clown
dark matter as it functions in the marvel universe
The teen is Billy Kaplan. Aka Wanda’s son aka soul shard of mephisto
23:10 y’all need to do some serious work and re-examine your way of finding Easter eggs… bro the book card isn’t the date people checked it out, it’s when they’re due back! WANDAVISION takes place in NOVEMBER 2023 and that’s when she took the dark hold from Agatha. You gotta look DEEPER…
It was SO good!! Can't wait to see how this plays out!
I think Wanda has a direct hand in helping her break the spell.
MT, I heard that slug you threw... nice, very nice
The Blk neighbor had my 🤣🤣🤣 when said, "Can you please put some clothes on!" 🤣🤣😭😭😭
I don’t understand why you had to bring colour into it 🤷🏾♂️
@@davidjohnson9719 dude I'm Blk. FYI, but you didn't know that. #2 he was the only neighbor that asked her "Can you put some clothes on bc you naked". This wasn't a racist moment, but it was the only way to describe him. Nothing more, nothing less. K?
I too have been waiting for years...for your breakdown of this series. :D
Anyone else notice the sign the crow is sitting on says “Carter?”
It probably doesn’t matter, but for whatever it’s worth the audio description track for the blind identifies the animal outside of Agnes’s home as a coyote, not a wolf.
22:30 while you are right that the purple does represent her magic and being a powerful witch, that was the 2000s costume that she wore in episode seven and eight of WandaVision, as she was literally going backwards through the sitcom eras as she’s breaking out of Wandas spell
Saying she was stuck there for 3 years is tough because now what year does this take place?
2026. wandavision was set in 2023.
@kreiyu right, but Dr strange MOM took place in 2023 and this is right after, because they just found Wanda's body
@@nbasizzlereels5315 but they didn't actually find her body. that was just inside the illusion Agetha was trapped in. wanda dying didn't break agetha out of the spell she was in, it just allowed her to break free from it. but in the spell, she had no clue who wanda was, or that she was even dead. seeing the body and everything after was due to the teen freeing her from the spell, or so i think.
The M is for Maximov "teen" is Wicken the gay son of Wanda who wields magic. He even looks like him.
"Andrew Ugo" unscrambled spells, "Wundagore"
Can I throw in a wild theory? What if the reason why we and Agatha can't hear "Teen" theory is because what if Teen is a combination of Nicolous Scratch and Billy Kaplan. Hear me out so you know Jennifer Hale "pink witch" talked about how teen was another of agatha "child sacrifice" and in Wandavision when we had the flashback of agatha at the stake almost burned by the 7 witches and her mother for using the "Darkhold" what if while using the book to gain power or whatever one recipe or step ask for a sacrifice of a child or pure person so Agatha did what she needed to do to gain more power ( i mean look at the 2 episodes of Agatha all along and episode 8 and 9 of Wandavision) tell us what she really wants. As a result, because she sacrifice her kin or an innocent to gain power she was cursed to be unable to never know where her son reincarnate to or where he will be possibly why anytime "Teen" gives hints of his identity, she is unable to know who he is so possible Teen (possibly Billy) is reincarnation of Nicolas. Also, Agatha and Wanda somewhat have similar motives when liking to working alone and also mentality of getting what they want if there is a heavy price to pay. Also, what about the bunny, I can predict the reason why it names Scratch is possible mourning her lost son so the bunny being named that is more of her coping what has happen to her in the past and forgetting it I mean episode 1 of Agatha All Along show the room of her son Nicholas being that of someone who died and left that way as though it their in her head but she can't forget even though as time past memories fade. That my prediction of what Teen represents.
I think the reason why Agatha can't hear the teen reveal anything is because Wanda put a protection spell on him maybe ❤️🥲
And teen was also able to free Agatha from Wanda's hex. Makes you wonder where he got those traits from *hint hint*
I really am thinking through the constant showing of reflective surfaces, that Wanda transfered her soul or body back to that reflective mirror dimension we saw her crawl out of in multiverse of madness. There theoretically could have been any reflective surface such as a puddle or metal or glass or so on, that she could have, in an instant, escaped to that dimension. I also took a shroom gummy so i may not be thinking clearly but i also might be thinking more clear than i ever have 🤔
I do think there's something to the reflective surfaces. Reflective surfaces play many roles in witchcraft.
Teen is somehow connected to that car crash in Eastview that Agatha/Agnes was talking about in episode 1, right before Teen's first appearance on screen.
22:27 what I want to know is that, is this scene real? Because the first time she walked that door the body isn't there, and then she starts delusioning and when she blinked the body and the library tag is there. I think it's not real it's just her or Rio trying to wake her up by showing Wandas dead.
everyone knows the kid is billy.. leaked by the subtitles.
Jan 21 on the library card could be in reference to WandaVision came out in January 2021
The best review thus far
The black fingers are also seen in Agents of Shield which is where the Dark Hold made it's first MCU appearance.
Absolute massive W of a breakdown 👏🏼👏🏼
I really did enjoy these 2 episodes. With the wizard of Oz Easter eggs dotted all over the place.
I seen somewhere else that those dates are birthdays, and the day Agatha and Scarlett had the Darkhold. 🤷♂️
Man ALL of my questions were answered. Thank you ❤❤❤❤
i think Rio is a former LOVER of Agatha's! also, i believe Dottie is a the child of a witch or warlock with one non-witch/warlock parent... DORTHY!!! OMG Dottie is short for DOROTHY!
Ope I just finished my Palaxy check in, good to see you again MT 💚
agathots is a WILD intro im dyin 😂💀
Bad witches and Agathots!? 😂 I'm dead!
Personally I’ve loved Kathryn Hahn since I seen her in step brothers imma watch 😂
Dope breakdown dude excited to watch this series with you
Good Catch on the clock!!
Love the NR dig !
I prefer Heavy Spoilers over New Rockstars because HS doesn’t go overboard on the insane theories
Herb actually said " she's really most sincerely dead" what the mayor(?) of munchkin land says in The Wizard of Oz.
Great breakdown!
A few thoughts: I think that Agatha is currently suffering from a form of Hex induced mental illness that she is fighting against. The body of Wanda may not be her but the Darkhold itself. Consider that the toe tag on her body was a library card for a book. Why? Agatha’s nemesis -the FBI agent- or Rio likely doesn’t exist anymore. My guess is that she was her sister. A sister that she was jealous of and killed. The lock of hair in her mother’s locket isn’t hers. It is her sister’s. She was probably the first person whose powers she absorbed. Maybe more than that. She is the real earth witch here -the black heart- and is why they didn’t need one. She is there as part of Agatha. This could also explain Agatha’s betrayal of her coven. Toto is more interesting. I subscribe to the theory that he is the soul of one of Wanda’s “kids”. However, I think that his “body” is Agatha’s rabbit familiar who is connected somehow to both Mephisto and her son. Perhaps, Mephisto was the “father” of both Wanda’s son and Agatha’s. In any case, Toto is directly linked to Agatha and probably to Wanda’s hex. He exists because of her. He doesn’t have his own car. That was Agatha’s. The proof was the necklace hanging from the rear view mirror. Why would her necklace be hanging there? It wouldn’t unless it was her car to begin with.
The Salem Seven who are hunting Agatha are obviously her old coven’s familiars. Maybe they think they can restore their masters or maybe it really is simple revenge. Time will tell. Crone Mother Maiden it’s all connected.