3:11 1. There is plenty of historical research showing classical astrologers using sidereal zodiac signs. [So how can you say they weren’t?] 5:48 2. Statements in Hora Ratnam and Vasishtha Samhita show that the sidereal zodiac has been dominant in India since olden times. [So how can you say it wasn’t?] 8:05 3. Why would India adopt the sidereal convention, when the rest of the world did just the opposite? 8:52 4. Doesn’t Sūrya Siddhānta establish a sidereal zodiac in the First Chapter? 11:47 5. Doesn’t Sūrya Siddhānta’s Third Chapter reveal that it is meant for producing sidereal charts? 13:39 6. Don’t the Purāṇas and Siddhāntas establish a sidereal zodiac when they describe the relation between Aries and Aśvinī? 18:25 7. Does Viṣṇu Purāṇa establish the co-existence of Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs by its reference to bhu-bhuva-sva? 19:20 8. Why does anyone try to say one system is right and the other is wrong? They are just used for different things! Tropical is a seasonal zodiac, used for calendars and weather. Sidereal is a stellar zodiac used for natal astrology. 23:31 9. If it is true that the zodiac should be tropical and the nakshatras should be sidereal, why are you the only one who realizes it? 25:15 10. If you are right, are all the sidereal astrologers wrong? 25:53 11. What actually changes in the charts, if we use your system? 26:22 12. Are the Jyotisha classics like Parashara Hora, Brighu Samhita, etc meant to be used with tropical signs? 26:49 13. Don’t the classic texts simply say what zodiac we should use? 27:15 14. How can Asvini not be at the beginning of Aries!? How can Maghā not be in Leo? 28:19 15. How would you explain the 12 symbols of the Zodiac which most people say were originally taken from Egyptian sidereal constellations? 29:40 16. Why don’t you do chart reading comparisons, to demonstrate that tropical zodiac is more accurate than the sidereal zodiac? 30:49 17. If the Zodiac signs are tropical how are astrological ages determined? 31:12 18. What IS “Vedic” astrology, if it’s not sidereal? 32:31 19. What does this debate reveal about ourselves as astrologers and human beings? How can that revelation improve the astrological community? 33:15 20. I've heard that tropical and sidereal astrology was aligned in the same signs/ degrees 2,000 years ago. What is your viewpoint on this? 34:10 21. What is the difference between the way you and Ernst Wilhelm way of calculate nakshatras? 34:46 22. Are there 27 or 28 nakshatras? 35:55 23. If the nakshatras are constellations, why are they all of equal size, 13 degrees 20 minutes? 36:42 24. Why did ancient Vedic Astrologers consider Krṛtikā the first nakshatra?
So, to sum it up: Use tropical for determining your 12 zodiac signs placements. Use Lahiri Ayanamsha to determine your Nakshatras and Dashas. But then what about sub-charts (D9, D10), Char Karakas, Panchanga, Arudha Lagna? I assume you use tropical ayanamsha for those? On a side note, thank you so much for your explanation how the 12 zodiac signs came to be. It is the most logical and scientific I have come across so far and makes total sense since simply seeing whatever pattern you see on the sky and trying to work it out from there would lead to an infinite amount of possibilities if you think about it.
First impression when I first clicked: Perfect yogi look...then I thought: This is so well explained!....and then the "other guy" appeared to ask the question and I couldn't help but burst out laughing! Vic, you have such an awesome sense of humour! Absolutely hilarious! I'm really enjoying this video!...please continue blessing us with your knowledge and your comic tricks! :D
Wow you really cleared up a lot of confusion I notice you have a tropical/sidereal playlist definitely going to explore those vids. This is so logical & makes so much sense
the question I have as I switch from sidereal to tropical is how did the sages decide which equinox starts Aries? of course seasons are arbitrary because of the 2 hemispheres. and north going upward is completely relative. there is no up or down when it comes to the north and South Pole. it is useful practically to have it be that way. if the Indians and sages were in Australia I wonder if they would of said that Aries starts at the September/ fall equinox because it would be spring for them... I know this is not really a question that breaks the tropical zodiac but something I am mostly just curious about and wonder if you have any insight into this?
Astronomical calculations are what complicate both systems because of time and space. I agree, it makes sense to use the technique that fit the situation. Also, perfecting one’s ability to interpret a natal chart should take priority. It’s better to develop and learn techniques that the astrologer has personally mastered/perfected. Therefore, the reader has the choice to use the divination methods that fits their own understanding.
I think the main reason why India uses sidereal system not tropical is because simply it works. Many Indian astrologers including K.N rao tried different system but the result didn't come out right. Also, I saw Ms.Eve Mendoza on RUclips saying the same thing. Vedic astrology uses Dasha system and can predict exactly when it will happen but in this case, they need the sidereal to pinpoint the event.
The calculation of dashas is sidereal (built from nakshatras) but the interpretation of the dasha lords uses tropical rashis. Plus, youtube astrologers aren't authorities, get into real classical books instead!
@@VicDiCaraAstrologyif both systems work then why do you continuously talk about it??? How you gonna prove a point just to say both work at the end of the day🤣🤣🤣if people are able to predict life events especially Vedic then what’s your true argument outside of trying to get people to 100 percent mathematically & astronomically go with a tropical system using Vedic gods & deity characteristics attached to them. Absolutes on transcendental knowledge🤣 literally both work and your still trying to prove what. You still do everything even dress and live like the yogis & study all of their work to try to prove them wrong to only end up saying they both work but sidereal is a little off even tho there are Vedic Astrologers who accurately predict everything 🤣🤣
How are Vimshottari Mahadashas considered in tropical Vedic astrology? I think you recommend that Nakshatras have to be sidereal. In that case the order of Mahadashas would not change in the two systems even though moon sign changes?
You me referred me to this video, from another video of yours, when I inquired about the relationship between the seasons and Tropical Astrology. The part I’m still trying to grasp is, if the Tropical Signs are not connected to the seasons, how do we know where the Tropical Zodiac Begins and where it ends? Since it circumnavigates a circle ? Any one of the four Cardinal Points could be the Beginning or the Ending! Is there a specific reference in Vedic Astrology as to why Aries is the starting point??
Hi. Very interesting - thanks for sharing your knowledge of these texts. One small point: the elements are the triplicities because there are three signs in each element, and the modes are the quadruplicities because there are four signs in each mode. (It's confusing because there are four elements and three modes!)
" 28:19 15. How would you explain the 12 symbols of the Zodiac which most people say were originally taken from Egyptian sidereal constellations? " ( Most say Mesopotamian btw ) Would love to see a discussion about this by various astrologers from different backgrounds , also taking in account the myths connected with archetypes and what is being celebrated on the sankrantis .
The symbols are images that represent the symbolism indicated by the ruler, mode, and element of the zodiac division. Neither Egyptian sidereal constellations nor Babylonian were identical to these 12 at all.
What confuses me about Abhijit as the pivot point is that Dhruva (Tuban) was the pole star in around 3000 BCE, and we read in Bhagavatam that all stars revolve around it, hanging down like a chandelier. Today another star (Alpha Ursa Minoris) has the position of pole star due to precession. In between it was Beta Ursae Minoris which was at this position and there was also a time where no star was positioned to be the pole star. This shows that the writer of Bhagavatam was not aware of precession, because Dhruva (which means fixed) is not fixed and nothing really revolves around it, but it is simply a visual illusion created by precession. Any comments on this Vic?
I think the error is in the commentators who assume that dhruva corresponds to a specific star. IMO, Dhruva is the north celestial pole. Abhijit is, as all things in astrology are, an approximate symbolic reference to that.
@@VicDiCaraAstrology Could be. But isn't it that Dhruva received a specific star as his abode? But what you wrote possibly makes sense, because if we take any of the stars that held the position of a pole star in history, especially if we consider Dhruva to be Thuban, then the story of Dhruva must have taken place at around 3000 BCE, which could or could not be true.
the abodes above and below earth are not seen from earth. we only see symbolic counterparts of them. Dhruva attained a location that "never changes" for as long as the universe exists. Clearly then, it's not a specific star.
In my opinion the 12 fold Division of the zodiac comes from Jupiter, this bright wandering star, it loops 1 time around the sun, while the sun makes 12 rounds through the zodiac, that means Jupiter move through 30 degrees during 1 year.
It shows the importance of Jupiter that it is in harmony with the sun/moon rhythm so perfectly. The amount of space Jupiter covers in a year, is on average, 30 degrees, which is the same as what the sun covers in the course of a month. However Jupiter is only a pinpoint compared to the sun and moon. The fundamentals of astrology were built on the Sun and Moon. And jupiter's motion is not nearly constant, in fact it goes retrograde. Whereas the Sun and the Moon have almost totally constant motion. Thus the zodiac is formed by the Moon's monthly intersection of the Sun's yearly orbit, and the naskahtras are formed by the Sun's daily intersection of the Moon's monthly orbit.
And the retrograde movement of jupiter is also konstant, and part of its looping around the sun - from the first Sun-Jupiter-Trigon to the next Sun-Jupiter-Trigon Jupiter moves retrograde.
Sorry, this I can not comprehend. The whole Maya-Calendar for example is founded on the fact, that the moon makes 13 rounds during one round of the sun.
I haven’t listened the video yet , but I am following you and accept you as guru , so I accepted your teaching . But please answer my questions . 1) why you follow this ? When it comes into your mind first ? 2) if your guru taught you this , question 1 repeat for your guru ? 3) why degrees already risen are not in 12th house ? It already eroded first house ? 4) please explain D-charts , are they derived from zodiac or nakshatras ? If nakshatras why it changes in your way of teaching ? If zodiac , why they divided according to nakshatra padas? Thanks my only guru.
1) why you follow this? The whole video answers this. 2) When it comes into your mind first ? I first took it seriously in late 2011. 3) why degrees already risen are not in 12th house ? It already eroded first house ? It depends on the house system you use. You could define a house system with the ascendant as the beginning of the first house. However I use a whole sign system. The sign the ascendant is in takes the qualities of the ascendant, functioning as the first house. The previous sign takes the qualities of the 12th house. 4) please explain D-charts , are they derived from zodiac or nakshatras ? If nakshatras why it changes in your way of teaching ? If zodiac , why they divided according to nakshatra padas? I have videos on this, please search my channel. They are divisions of the zodiac. Nakshatra padas are not a classical idea, they came into Indian astrology after sidereal zodiac became the dominant system there. Vedanga Jyotish divides nakshatras into many divisions, not just four. However we no longer use that system anyway. Too many details of it are lost.
Vic DiCara's Astrology I follow Vic because either he is the only one who explains thing logically or his way is the only way I can understand and absorb knowledge. So it means Indians are f$&@ed up astrologically as they are too deep into it , they are surviving just because of nakshatras ..
@@eisa17 Indian's are not fucked up astrologically. Indian astrology is incredibly amazing. Indian astrology is just hooked on sidereal, and worse than that, hooked on the pride of being "better" than "materialistic" westerners. So they are really avoiding listening to the truth that their own original concept of the zodiac was tropical.
Hi thanks for this explanation. When you read nakshatras do you consider the sidereal sign also? For example I have Taurus lagna with Aswini nakshatra. Do you consider the characteristics of Ares when reading for someone with Aswini lagna in tropical Taurus?
no. Ashvini has its own characteristics. They are defined in Taittiriya Brahmana, which I recently translated and published. You can find it on Amazon by searching "Nakshatra Authentic Heart"
Thanks so much for being awesome🎎 I can see clearly now😊to learn Ernst base is Equator as opposed to ecliptic🤔 incongruant calculation "dilemma🎯 Seasons, solstice, weather, cardinal directions and the fields of nakshatras/stars in relation to the sun and moon degrees ✔wow ❤
It's interesting to see these dilemmas still have to be discussed to prove someone is right and others wrong. Why can't we find a common ground for dealing with these dilemmas instead of trying to prove others wrong? especially those who practice sidereal for thousands of years to this day? And how can you prove in old age people practice tropical when it's totally based on calculation with no evidence of that calculation whatsoever compares to observational sidereal of those who look at the stars and worshiped them as the gods? Typical westerner problem with the notion of worshipping gods? We all know that around 2000 years ago when the sidereal system was developed both sidereal and tropical were matched based on the precision of equinoxes. So trying to tell people that Vedic astrology developed based on tropical or sidereal is totally out of question. If we concentrate on this very issue that these two systems shifted away from each other and still they keep doing so, then we might find a way to explain the differences. My way of seeing these two are related to answering the question of why there are two kings in Sky in Vedic astrology, the Sun and the Moon and how two kings can role the sky at the same time? And same as for why there are two calendars, solar and lunar calendar and which one are we supposed to practice? The other important question is what's actually create the astrological influence on us? Is it the stars or the constellations? or in case of tropical is it a mere divisional part of location and time? The answers in short: -The sun is our local king. He defines our daily activity and he sets the local rules and karma, the same as a king or a government that rules a country. The moon is galactical ruler, that defines the higher goals, same as the UN who is supposed to align local rules of countries in working together. (the example of a local government and the UN is just to get the idea) -The stars are the source of light/consciousness or the gods. Nakshatras or the stars related to them are galactical kings or the source of consciousness/karma and the moon is their representative. The sun, our local king sets his own rules/calendar/zodiac/divisional parts in the sky based on his own movements in the sky, so it's based on time and location related to him, while the moon works as a transmitter that amplifies the consciousness of outer stars, so it's a system based on the actual position of the stars. We need both of these two systems, with the same importance but for different tasks. I don't have anything against dear Vic Ji, and I appreciate his deep insight and I always learned from him, but I can't accept his effort in order to destroy the easter tradition, especially with his huge influence that comes from his deep insight on eastern astrology over us. A westerner Vedic teacher at his caliber with no real religious respect to eastern astrology can lead us to a totally wrong path, same as what western culture has been trying to do so. With the same argument, you can also tell why Trump as the current western ruler is reaping up all UN treaties. The balance between sole purpose/ the sun and the spirit/ the moon is the key especially in a time when the moon is getting further away from the earth and bigger gap between sidereal and tropical, by creating more differences between these two major aspects of soul and spirit of us (and as we see how the UN is getting weaker and the US tries to rule the world). The moon is there to prevent us from destroying our planet by guiding us towards aligning ourself to higher karma from outer worlds/stars/gods. Hopefully!!! Therefore you can't combine the two systems together, nor the US can rule both the US and the world. The outcome is disaster and chaos! We need both a Sidereal and Tropical chart at the same time. And the most important question is how we can align these two systems in order to serve both local and galactic karmas. Same as laws that can serve the countries needs, align with what the planet needs. Then we can stop the pointless/egoistic struggle of proving who is right and who is wrong, and do the real work of making these two systems work together.
I would want to think that this is you agreeing wholeheartedly with what I said in question #19, but I am sure it's not. Actually I'm pretty sure you didn't watch much of the video.
@@VicDiCaraAstrologyAstrology, Of course, it's not, and I'm sure you didn't get the point. I hope someone else that you respect could make the same argument I did. There's no point in being polite as a teacher. A teacher supposed to clear the confusions decisively. There's no compromise. This debate is not about you with all due respect, it's about the mindset behind it that destroyed the tradition and created more confusion. I have no problem with those who stick either to tropical or sidereal. But trying to mix these two will destroy the purpose of studying astrology. No wonder we all have to be in this dilemma. Peace and light!
Good, then allow me to be impolite. =) Try to learn to listen to more than just the first thing said before you try to prove the person wrong. Listen to my answer to 19 again, the whole thing this time. Then go look at the definitions from Sūrya Siddhānta and Bhagavata Purana, which DEFINE indian/vedic tradition - and see if you can still make yourself say I am destroying a tradition. In fact you need to listen to the whole video, patiently. Otherwise why do you even come to my channel? I don't get it. To get the chance to voice your opinion in a comment, because you don't have what it takes to even make a youtube video of your own, or one that more than five people would watch? Actually I doubt that you will make any progress in any of these suggestions. So either "don't talk in class" or expect to be "expelled." I should just expell you right now. But I'll give you one more chance to proove that you have nothing to gain from my chanel Thanks! =)
@@VicDiCaraAstrology, well I wish you could listen to yourself saying in #19 and could care less who is who. I'm sorry but I'm not here to feed up your ego with another nice comment same as what your followers do, rather reminding you of the responsibility and influence you have on them, and more importantly the karma you are making. So let me make it once more clear. The Tropical western astrology is based on calculation. Can you explain to yourself how that even possible for someone from west to come up with a different system than what east developed when the math, and the mythology which is based upon comes from the east? "The Hindu-Arabic numeral system and the rules for the use of its operations, in use throughout the world today evolved over the course of the first millennium AD in India and were transmitted to the Western world via Islamic mathematics through the work of Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī. Islamic mathematics, in turn, developed and expanded the mathematics known to these civilizations." -Wikipedia And who created the Astrolabe to give you a tool to find the stars and navigate and make your own maps? and who made the most sophisticated and the most accurate solar calendar which is still in use in my country(Iran)? The only country who use both solar and lunar calendar officially? Solar for governmental deeds and lunar for religious matters, as it should be, which was my point that I hope you could get it. Compared to the lame and meaningless western calendar that days are merely a number with no relation to seasons and movement of the sun.
Even with Wilhem method, notice that his online chart maker uses sidereal nakshatras. Which kind of proves he still knows sidereal is true. Western shines with psychology which is why everyone can relate to their western horoscope. The only thing that is going to settle this debate is side by side chart analysis- which no one is doing. Be the leader Vic- drop the arguments and show chart examples.
Fuzz Mantra Both systems work- for different reasons. He learned under Ernst Wilhem. Wilhem still uses the sidereal nakshatras in calculation. If you create a chart on his site, notice western planetary placements with sidereal nakshatras.
my god 1111 you have no idea what I am saying or who i am or what i do. you spread misinformation about me. I didn't learn under ernst, and I don't calculate the same way he does and I even say this in the very video you are commenting on. If I feel this way about one more comment from you I'll remove you from the channel. I value my peace of mind.
3:11 1. There is plenty of historical research showing classical astrologers using sidereal zodiac signs. [So how can you say they weren’t?]
5:48 2. Statements in Hora Ratnam and Vasishtha Samhita show that the sidereal zodiac has been dominant in India since olden times. [So how can you say it wasn’t?]
8:05 3. Why would India adopt the sidereal convention, when the rest of the world did just the opposite?
8:52 4. Doesn’t Sūrya Siddhānta establish a sidereal zodiac in the First Chapter?
11:47 5. Doesn’t Sūrya Siddhānta’s Third Chapter reveal that it is meant for producing sidereal charts?
13:39 6. Don’t the Purāṇas and Siddhāntas establish a sidereal zodiac when they describe the relation between Aries and Aśvinī?
18:25 7. Does Viṣṇu Purāṇa establish the co-existence of Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs by its reference to bhu-bhuva-sva?
19:20 8. Why does anyone try to say one system is right and the other is wrong? They are just used for different things! Tropical is a seasonal zodiac, used for calendars and weather. Sidereal is a stellar zodiac used for natal astrology.
23:31 9. If it is true that the zodiac should be tropical and the nakshatras should be sidereal, why are you the only one who realizes it?
25:15 10. If you are right, are all the sidereal astrologers wrong?
25:53 11. What actually changes in the charts, if we use your system?
26:22 12. Are the Jyotisha classics like Parashara Hora, Brighu Samhita, etc meant to be used with tropical signs?
26:49 13. Don’t the classic texts simply say what zodiac we should use?
27:15 14. How can Asvini not be at the beginning of Aries!? How can Maghā not be in Leo?
28:19 15. How would you explain the 12 symbols of the Zodiac which most people say were originally taken from Egyptian sidereal constellations?
29:40 16. Why don’t you do chart reading comparisons, to demonstrate that tropical zodiac is more accurate than the sidereal zodiac?
30:49 17. If the Zodiac signs are tropical how are astrological ages determined?
31:12 18. What IS “Vedic” astrology, if it’s not sidereal?
32:31 19. What does this debate reveal about ourselves as astrologers and human beings? How can that revelation improve the astrological community?
33:15 20. I've heard that tropical and sidereal astrology was aligned in the same signs/ degrees 2,000 years ago. What is your viewpoint on this?
34:10 21. What is the difference between the way you and Ernst Wilhelm way of calculate nakshatras?
34:46 22. Are there 27 or 28 nakshatras?
35:55 23. If the nakshatras are constellations, why are they all of equal size, 13 degrees 20 minutes?
36:42 24. Why did ancient Vedic Astrologers consider Krṛtikā the first nakshatra?
Darren Star DC Stars Channel DAMN! thank you for this!
I will put this into the description, thanks darren
So, to sum it up: Use tropical for determining your 12 zodiac signs placements. Use Lahiri Ayanamsha to determine your Nakshatras and Dashas.
But then what about sub-charts (D9, D10), Char Karakas, Panchanga, Arudha Lagna? I assume you use tropical ayanamsha for those?
On a side note, thank you so much for your explanation how the 12 zodiac signs came to be. It is the most logical and scientific I have come across so far and makes total sense since simply seeing whatever pattern you see on the sky and trying to work it out from there would lead to an infinite amount of possibilities if you think about it.
First impression when I first clicked: Perfect yogi look...then I thought: This is so well explained!....and then the "other guy" appeared to ask the question and I couldn't help but burst out laughing! Vic, you have such an awesome sense of humour! Absolutely hilarious! I'm really enjoying this video!...please continue blessing us with your knowledge and your comic tricks! :D
Wow you really cleared up a lot of confusion I notice you have a tropical/sidereal playlist definitely going to explore those vids. This is so logical & makes so much sense
Your research skills make my mind boggle add to that the specifity of your language and sharp intellect is truly a blessing
the question I have as I switch from sidereal to tropical is how did the sages decide which equinox starts Aries? of course seasons are arbitrary because of the 2 hemispheres. and north going upward is completely relative. there is no up or down when it comes to the north and South Pole. it is useful practically to have it be that way. if the Indians and sages were in Australia I wonder if they would of said that Aries starts at the September/ fall equinox because it would be spring for them... I know this is not really a question that breaks the tropical zodiac but something I am mostly just curious about and wonder if you have any insight into this?
I enjoyed Fredo's assertions, and your responses even better, Vic.
What’s the name of the marker star of Aries 0 degrees.
Thanks
Astronomical calculations are what complicate both systems because of time and space. I agree, it makes sense to use the technique that fit the situation. Also, perfecting one’s ability to interpret a natal chart should take priority. It’s better to develop and learn techniques that the astrologer has personally mastered/perfected. Therefore, the reader has the choice to use the divination methods that fits their own understanding.
I think the main reason why India uses sidereal system not tropical is because simply it works. Many Indian astrologers including K.N rao tried different system but the result didn't come out right. Also, I saw Ms.Eve Mendoza on RUclips saying the same thing. Vedic astrology uses Dasha system and can predict exactly when it will happen but in this case, they need the sidereal to pinpoint the event.
Both systems "work" as I explained many times in the video,
The calculation of dashas is sidereal (built from nakshatras) but the interpretation of the dasha lords uses tropical rashis. Plus, youtube astrologers aren't authorities, get into real classical books instead!
@@VicDiCaraAstrologyif both systems work then why do you continuously talk about it??? How you gonna prove a point just to say both work at the end of the day🤣🤣🤣if people are able to predict life events especially Vedic then what’s your true argument outside of trying to get people to 100 percent mathematically & astronomically go with a tropical system using Vedic gods & deity characteristics attached to them. Absolutes on transcendental knowledge🤣 literally both work and your still trying to prove what. You still do everything even dress and live like the yogis & study all of their work to try to prove them wrong to only end up saying they both work but sidereal is a little off even tho there are Vedic Astrologers who accurately predict everything 🤣🤣
Enjoyed this talk very much. Great resource for demystifying astrology! 🌸 the alter ego is just hilarious 😂😂
Thanks for a very interesting video. 🙏🏻
wow.. just wow. thank you for sharing your knowledge, and doing it such a clear manner
Great, thank you so much! This is exactly, what i think and feel about this Dilemma.
How are Vimshottari Mahadashas considered in tropical Vedic astrology? I think you recommend that Nakshatras have to be sidereal. In that case the order of Mahadashas would not change in the two systems even though moon sign changes?
This sure opened my mind to different perspectives. Thanks.
Thank You so much for sharing your knowledge! So helpful! 🕉🙏🏻🕉
You me referred me to this video, from another video of yours, when I inquired about the relationship between the seasons and Tropical Astrology. The part I’m still trying to grasp is, if the Tropical Signs are not connected to the seasons, how do we know where the Tropical Zodiac Begins and where it ends? Since it circumnavigates a circle ? Any one of the four Cardinal Points could be the Beginning or the Ending! Is there a specific reference in Vedic Astrology as to why Aries is the starting point??
it begins when the sun rises north of the equator
I missed tht point about nakshatras so do we use the tahiri or tropical calculator sir
Thnk you 🙏
use lahiri for nakshatra
This was very informative thanks!!
there are 12asanas in surya namaskar. also 12x9=108 navamsas, these are solar numbers. yes?
Hi. Very interesting - thanks for sharing your knowledge of these texts. One small point: the elements are the triplicities because there are three signs in each element, and the modes are the quadruplicities because there are four signs in each mode. (It's confusing because there are four elements and three modes!)
god that is so confusing. thanks so much.
" 28:19 15. How would you explain the 12 symbols of the Zodiac which most people say were originally taken from Egyptian sidereal constellations? "
( Most say Mesopotamian btw )
Would love to see a discussion about this by various astrologers from different backgrounds , also taking in account the myths connected with archetypes and what is being celebrated on the sankrantis .
The symbols are images that represent the symbolism indicated by the ruler, mode, and element of the zodiac division. Neither Egyptian sidereal constellations nor Babylonian were identical to these 12 at all.
@@VicDiCaraAstrology
Thanks
Means placidus is not quiet right? Equal house system is more accurate?
Die Achse i wish somebody would debunk Placidus. Ugh
What about some astrologers that determine lagna by looking at the lines on the palm. They are able to determine the nakshatras too
Do you know one like that?
What confuses me about Abhijit as the pivot point is that Dhruva (Tuban) was the pole star in around 3000 BCE, and we read in Bhagavatam that all stars revolve around it, hanging down like a chandelier. Today another star (Alpha Ursa Minoris) has the position of pole star due to precession. In between it was Beta Ursae Minoris which was at this position and there was also a time where no star was positioned to be the pole star. This shows that the writer of Bhagavatam was not aware of precession, because Dhruva (which means fixed) is not fixed and nothing really revolves around it, but it is simply a visual illusion created by precession.
Any comments on this Vic?
I think the error is in the commentators who assume that dhruva corresponds to a specific star. IMO, Dhruva is the north celestial pole. Abhijit is, as all things in astrology are, an approximate symbolic reference to that.
@@VicDiCaraAstrology Could be. But isn't it that Dhruva received a specific star as his abode? But what you wrote possibly makes sense, because if we take any of the stars that held the position of a pole star in history, especially if we consider Dhruva to be Thuban, then the story of Dhruva must have taken place at around 3000 BCE, which could or could not be true.
the abodes above and below earth are not seen from earth. we only see symbolic counterparts of them. Dhruva attained a location that "never changes" for as long as the universe exists. Clearly then, it's not a specific star.
In my opinion the 12 fold Division of the zodiac comes from Jupiter, this bright wandering star, it loops 1 time around the sun, while the sun makes 12 rounds through the zodiac, that means Jupiter move through 30 degrees during 1 year.
It shows the importance of Jupiter that it is in harmony with the sun/moon rhythm so perfectly. The amount of space Jupiter covers in a year, is on average, 30 degrees, which is the same as what the sun covers in the course of a month. However Jupiter is only a pinpoint compared to the sun and moon. The fundamentals of astrology were built on the Sun and Moon. And jupiter's motion is not nearly constant, in fact it goes retrograde. Whereas the Sun and the Moon have almost totally constant motion. Thus the zodiac is formed by the Moon's monthly intersection of the Sun's yearly orbit, and the naskahtras are formed by the Sun's daily intersection of the Moon's monthly orbit.
The Moon makes 13 rounds during one round of the sun, not 12 !
And the retrograde movement of jupiter is also konstant, and part of its looping around the sun - from the first Sun-Jupiter-Trigon to the next Sun-Jupiter-Trigon Jupiter moves retrograde.
@@torushyperbolid7968 no it makes 12 and change.
Sorry, this I can not comprehend. The whole Maya-Calendar for example is founded on the fact, that the moon makes 13 rounds during one round of the sun.
Nice info set together.
I haven’t listened the video yet , but I am following you and accept you as guru , so I accepted your teaching . But please answer my questions .
1) why you follow this ? When it comes into your mind first ?
2) if your guru taught you this , question 1 repeat for your guru ?
3) why degrees already risen are not in 12th house ? It already eroded first house ?
4) please explain D-charts , are they derived from zodiac or nakshatras ? If nakshatras why it changes in your way of teaching ? If zodiac , why they divided according to nakshatra padas?
Thanks my only guru.
Q9 answer my Q1.. but please need more clear POV.
1) why you follow this?
The whole video answers this.
2) When it comes into your mind first ?
I first took it seriously in late 2011.
3) why degrees already risen are not in 12th house ? It already eroded first house ?
It depends on the house system you use. You could define a house system with the ascendant as the beginning of the first house. However I use a whole sign system. The sign the ascendant is in takes the qualities of the ascendant, functioning as the first house. The previous sign takes the qualities of the 12th house.
4) please explain D-charts , are they derived from zodiac or nakshatras ? If nakshatras why it changes in your way of teaching ? If zodiac , why they divided according to nakshatra padas?
I have videos on this, please search my channel.
They are divisions of the zodiac.
Nakshatra padas are not a classical idea, they came into Indian astrology after sidereal zodiac became the dominant system there. Vedanga Jyotish divides nakshatras into many divisions, not just four. However we no longer use that system anyway. Too many details of it are lost.
Vic DiCara's Astrology I follow Vic because either he is the only one who explains thing logically or his way is the only way I can understand and absorb knowledge.
So it means Indians are f$&@ed up astrologically as they are too deep into it , they are surviving just because of nakshatras ..
@@eisa17 Indian's are not fucked up astrologically. Indian astrology is incredibly amazing. Indian astrology is just hooked on sidereal, and worse than that, hooked on the pride of being "better" than "materialistic" westerners. So they are really avoiding listening to the truth that their own original concept of the zodiac was tropical.
Hi thanks for this explanation. When you read nakshatras do you consider the sidereal sign also? For example I have Taurus lagna with Aswini nakshatra. Do you consider the characteristics of Ares when reading for someone with Aswini lagna in tropical Taurus?
no. Ashvini has its own characteristics. They are defined in Taittiriya Brahmana, which I recently translated and published. You can find it on Amazon by searching "Nakshatra Authentic Heart"
If this theory is correct- why use a galactic center sidereal ayanamsa instead of tropical? Show and Prove with chart comparisons Vic.
Same with Dashas- Doesn’t Wilhelm also use sidereal dashas?
U clearly dont pay attention 29:40
Thanks so much for being awesome🎎 I can see clearly now😊to learn Ernst base is Equator as opposed to ecliptic🤔 incongruant calculation "dilemma🎯 Seasons, solstice, weather, cardinal directions and the fields of nakshatras/stars in relation to the sun and moon degrees ✔wow ❤
So what house system is used to calculate charts according to Vic, Placidus?
Janet Garfield whole sign house system
This makes such perfect sense!...We gotta choose logic rather than " it's always been done this way".
There’s also the logic that is has been ‘very accurate this way’.
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It's interesting to see these dilemmas still have to be discussed to prove someone is right and others wrong. Why can't we find a common ground for dealing with these dilemmas instead of trying to prove others wrong? especially those who practice sidereal for thousands of years to this day?
And how can you prove in old age people practice tropical when it's totally based on calculation with no evidence of that calculation whatsoever compares to observational sidereal of those who look at the stars and worshiped them as the gods? Typical westerner problem with the notion of worshipping gods?
We all know that around 2000 years ago when the sidereal system was developed both sidereal and tropical were matched based on the precision of equinoxes. So trying to tell people that Vedic astrology developed based on tropical or sidereal is totally out of question.
If we concentrate on this very issue that these two systems shifted away from each other and still they keep doing so, then we might find a way to explain the differences.
My way of seeing these two are related to answering the question of why there are two kings in Sky in Vedic astrology, the Sun and the Moon and how two kings can role the sky at the same time? And same as for why there are two calendars, solar and lunar calendar and which one are we supposed to practice?
The other important question is what's actually create the astrological influence on us? Is it the stars or the constellations? or in case of tropical is it a mere divisional part of location and time?
The answers in short:
-The sun is our local king. He defines our daily activity and he sets the local rules and karma, the same as a king or a government that rules a country. The moon is galactical ruler, that defines the higher goals, same as the UN who is supposed to align local rules of countries in working together. (the example of a local government and the UN is just to get the idea)
-The stars are the source of light/consciousness or the gods. Nakshatras or the stars related to them are galactical kings or the source of consciousness/karma and the moon is their representative. The sun, our local king sets his own rules/calendar/zodiac/divisional parts in the sky based on his own movements in the sky, so it's based on time and location related to him, while the moon works as a transmitter that amplifies the consciousness of outer stars, so it's a system based on the actual position of the stars. We need both of these two systems, with the same importance but for different tasks.
I don't have anything against dear Vic Ji, and I appreciate his deep insight and I always learned from him, but I can't accept his effort in order to destroy the easter tradition, especially with his huge influence that comes from his deep insight on eastern astrology over us. A westerner Vedic teacher at his caliber with no real religious respect to eastern astrology can lead us to a totally wrong path, same as what western culture has been trying to do so.
With the same argument, you can also tell why Trump as the current western ruler is reaping up all UN treaties. The balance between sole purpose/ the sun and the spirit/ the moon is the key especially in a time when the moon is getting further away from the earth and bigger gap between sidereal and tropical, by creating more differences between these two major aspects of soul and spirit of us (and as we see how the UN is getting weaker and the US tries to rule the world). The moon is there to prevent us from destroying our planet by guiding us towards aligning ourself to higher karma from outer worlds/stars/gods. Hopefully!!!
Therefore you can't combine the two systems together, nor the US can rule both the US and the world. The outcome is disaster and chaos! We need both a Sidereal and Tropical chart at the same time. And the most important question is how we can align these two systems in order to serve both local and galactic karmas. Same as laws that can serve the countries needs, align with what the planet needs. Then we can stop the pointless/egoistic struggle of proving who is right and who is wrong, and do the real work of making these two systems work together.
I would want to think that this is you agreeing wholeheartedly with what I said in question #19, but I am sure it's not.
Actually I'm pretty sure you didn't watch much of the video.
@@VicDiCaraAstrologyAstrology, Of course, it's not, and I'm sure you didn't get the point. I hope someone else that you respect could make the same argument I did.
There's no point in being polite as a teacher. A teacher supposed to clear the confusions decisively. There's no compromise. This debate is not about you with all due respect, it's about the mindset behind it that destroyed the tradition and created more confusion. I have no problem with those who stick either to tropical or sidereal. But trying to mix these two will destroy the purpose of studying astrology. No wonder we all have to be in this dilemma. Peace and light!
Good, then allow me to be impolite. =)
Try to learn to listen to more than just the first thing said before you try to prove the person wrong.
Listen to my answer to 19 again, the whole thing this time.
Then go look at the definitions from Sūrya Siddhānta and Bhagavata Purana, which DEFINE indian/vedic tradition - and see if you can still make yourself say I am destroying a tradition.
In fact you need to listen to the whole video, patiently.
Otherwise why do you even come to my channel? I don't get it. To get the chance to voice your opinion in a comment, because you don't have what it takes to even make a youtube video of your own, or one that more than five people would watch?
Actually I doubt that you will make any progress in any of these suggestions. So either "don't talk in class" or expect to be "expelled."
I should just expell you right now. But I'll give you one more chance to proove that you have nothing to gain from my chanel
Thanks! =)
@@VicDiCaraAstrology, well I wish you could listen to yourself saying in #19 and could care less who is who. I'm sorry but I'm not here to feed up your ego with another nice comment same as what your followers do, rather reminding you of the responsibility and influence you have on them, and more importantly the karma you are making. So let me make it once more clear. The Tropical western astrology is based on calculation. Can you explain to yourself how that even possible for someone from west to come up with a different system than what east developed when the math, and the mythology which is based upon comes from the east?
"The Hindu-Arabic numeral system and the rules for the use of its operations, in use throughout the world today evolved over the course of the first millennium AD in India and were transmitted to the Western world via Islamic mathematics through the work of Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī. Islamic mathematics, in turn, developed and expanded the mathematics known to these civilizations." -Wikipedia
And who created the Astrolabe to give you a tool to find the stars and navigate and make your own maps? and who made the most sophisticated and the most accurate solar calendar which is still in use in my country(Iran)? The only country who use both solar and lunar calendar officially? Solar for governmental deeds and lunar for religious matters, as it should be, which was my point that I hope you could get it. Compared to the lame and meaningless western calendar that days are merely a number with no relation to seasons and movement of the sun.
islamic countries use tropical signs, for manymany centuries.
Omg when you do a recording clip you sound like Tony Robbins. Haha.
Polaris never moves ... w/ a flat earth... all have to be refigured.
I was listening, not watching and was like oh snap Anthony Robbins is in his video?!?! LOL
Your slowed down voice is totally Tony Robbins “powerful!” Hahahahaha sorry but true.
And thank you sensei or clearing this crap up for us. 🏆🥇🤘🏼
I love your hair ♥️
thanks!
I bet the dislikes are from Sidereal zodiac believers 😄😂
So handsome. ☺️
I wish Sidereal method was right because ardra wouldn’t be ascendant.😤😤🌊📌✂️💨🌧🌧🌧
Even with Wilhem method, notice that his online chart maker uses sidereal nakshatras. Which kind of proves he still knows sidereal is true. Western shines with psychology which is why everyone can relate to their western horoscope. The only thing that is going to settle this debate is side by side chart analysis- which no one is doing. Be the leader Vic- drop the arguments and show chart examples.
Fuzz Mantra Both systems work- for different reasons. He learned under Ernst Wilhem. Wilhem still uses the sidereal nakshatras in calculation. If you create a chart on his site, notice western planetary placements with sidereal nakshatras.
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my god 1111 you have no idea what I am saying or who i am or what i do. you spread misinformation about me. I didn't learn under ernst, and I don't calculate the same way he does and I even say this in the very video you are commenting on. If I feel this way about one more comment from you I'll remove you from the channel. I value my peace of mind.
Fuzz, you don't get it. Please watch more carefully. Nakshatras ARE sidereal. SIgns are tropical.
😵👀😂😂😂tht screw'd voice tho 📝📝☝😊
I enjoyed Fredo's assertions, and your responses even better, Vic.