I Tried Dressing Like a Christian Girly (it didn't go well)
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In this video, Taylor Alesia, aka The Bible Chick, teaches me how to dress like a Christian Girly.
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“Men love dresses!” …then they should wear them 🤷🏻♀️
Heheh yesss
Agreed!
Lol, they used to... ancient Roman togas, robes, kilts; then later, high heels, wigs, lace...not sure when men's and women's "designated" clothing became so different
@FreshmenThesis men used to wear dresses and heels, but then stopped when women started wearing them and then was seen as too feminine
Hell yeah
As an asexual atheist I hate the fact that her fashion advice is in line with my sense of style and the way I usually dress 😭
I don't want to attract straight christian men 😭
The worst kind of man tbh 😂
As a trans guy who’s probably asexual as well, I feel you. My way of dressing is basically that of a stereotypical lesbian (usually baggy and loose). And i get conservative Christian men who compliment me for being “modest” all the time. Like, dude. I’m not trying to be modest. I’m trying to pass as a dude. Lmao.
@@Reed5016 lol 😂😂😂
same here! man, I just don't want people to think I wear that bc I'm religious, I would end it all
I think "oh, no thank you" should work well enough to keep them away from you. If they persist and you're in public you could probably find someone to ask for help. I've had to play the pretend boyfriend a few times in life for strangers at the bar or in the store. But seriously, cis-het men, I'm talking directly to you now: take no for an answer. If they say "no thank you" just say, "oh, sorry to have bothered you. Have a nice day", and walk away. Don't make us all play your stupid games please, it's exhausting.
The night I met my wonderful boyfriend I took my shirt off at a metal gig because the mosh pit was so sweaty. Modesty has nothing to do with the men you attract. I've heard stories from modest and hijabi women about men creeping on them because it's their fetish or they see them as a challenge, or it just prompts them to imagine what she looks like without her modest clothes. As always, you can't win as a woman so do whatever you want.
Yep. You dress modest and you’ll get creeps, you dress more revealing and you’ll get creeps. The problem is the creeps lol
@@rosiehippie yeah how about we start pointing the blame at the people doing the bad behaviour rather than the people "attracting" the bad behaviour?
@@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3 agreed
There is a heartbreaking art exhibit done by the Dove Center. It shows what people were wearing when they were SAd. It's often clothing that would be deemed modest and average. There are often kids clothing too. :( This notion of thought policing via clothing is just false and needs to be laid to rest.
@@spOOkytimes yeah I've seen it too. I'm always telling people to look it up when they start talking about how modesty = safety.
Also I live in a tropical region. I will NOT be using more than one layer outside if I want to live
I don’t live in a tropical region but I am autistic and I suck at temperature regulation. I’m surprised if someone can even wear normal length jeans 😅
I've been to the equator and I don't know how y'all deal with that heat. I was tempted to wear nothing at all, and even that felt like too many layers! It doesn't help that I'm white and my skin really dislikes the sun, and anything over 72 degrees feels hotter than Hell.
Where I live, winter is more like a slightly colder autumn, and summers are unbelievably humid. The thought of layering any time other than peak winter sounds like torture.
I live in a humid climate -can conquer no extra layers !
I lived in Greenland. I wore summer clothes in the summer. That's what people do when it's hot 😂 outside.
“We dress to attract” I dress for myself or to get a sincere fashion related compliment from an alt person or fellow queer.
Oh yess me too!!!! Also I dress to feel like myself, if that makes sense
I feel that we often dress to attract, but the thing is.... we dress for a number of different reasons: weather, feeling good, dress code at my job, laundry situation, a new shirt I want to see how it looks etc. Usually there is not one single reason why we wear the clothes we wear.
Me too. I dress to look into the mirror and think: hell yeah! And I find it uncomfortable if that attracts looks. I still wear it because I don't want to hide.
Imagine dressing for 😮 self expression?!!
I only the dress for the girls(me) and the gays(also me)
"Don't tempt men."
"Men like mystery."
Isn't that basically saying... Men are imagining what's under there?
Why yes. Yes it is. Had a guy tell me as much: he said he first saw his now wife while she was directing the choir. He found it alluring that she left something to his imagination - and what he said he was imagining what she looked like under the robe.
@kandyappleview she's saying the quiet part out loud? That disgusting, abusive, or lustful men are going to be that way no matter what you wear. (Not saying having normal sexual urges is bad, more just connecting it back to rape culture)
@annawallace3383 pretty much. The point the wife was trying to make was that being "modest" worked because the 'right' men (whatever that means) will still find that appealing. She brought her husband in to give the male perspective and yeah, he said the quiet part out loud smh.
pretty much purity culture and trad life right there, be a good girl but reel them into marriage make them imagine you as wife material
You’re round
Having been SA’ed while wearing a baggy tshirt and men’s work jeans…it doesn’t matter what you wear, bad men will always be the problem. I also hate the assumption that we dress TO attract, I dress for my own comfort.
Ugliest dress i owned for me
how to do fashion as a christian girlie:
-long sleeve white undershirt
-layer with green top
-belt around the waist
-conical hat to match the top
-master sword
-hylian shield
-throw bombs to reveal secret doorways
I've never seen anything more universally agreed upon in my life than everyone wanting to fuck Link
how does it feel to be the funniest person in this comments section?
@@_.rainydays._ feels the same as always cuz I'm always the funniest person in every comment section 😎
Yasss😂
I went through a phase of religious OCD where I was completely fixated on dressing modestly. I remember trying to decide if it’s OK to wear pants. I justified it as they are considered feminine and appropriate now because of when women started working in the factories during World War II, which I was grateful for, but then felt guilty for essentially being glad that World War II happened. it was such a nightmare cycle of guilt and fear and stress
That's definitely a shame spiral
Decenter men at all cost. Be yourself always no matter what.
As someone who would really love to be able to dress like June Cleaver everyday I have to point out that men are the ones who have ruined that for me. There's a lot of gross creepy men who see someone wearing a dress and assume that you're doing it to attract them. I had to stop dressing "feminine" because a "good Christian man" decided to confess his love for me despite his knowing that I'M MARRIED! I notice a lot that the guys who want a modest, honorable woman have no problem with that woman doing all the things they complain about "sinful" women doing if it means she'll be with them.
I feel this as I have had similar experiences. I love 40s fashion particularly, but every time I wear that style, god lord, men act like it’s an open invitation to harass. Had a dude nearly run me over in a parking lot to get my number. That was fun.
Yep, insanely misogynistic double standards have always made me do a double take when I see them.
Oh, she's a hoe for not being with you because she is with someone else? Makes total sense. /s
Also I’m not dressing to attract ANYONE. I’m just wearing clothes. Why do Christian’s tie in clothes and dating?!? You wear clothes for other reasons
That “trashy outfits attract trashy men” line is so funny to me because if I reflect… it’s been the opposite for me (assuming trashy=revealing). The trashy men were always hittin me with “you’re gunna wear THAT” where as the good men in my life were all “damn girl lookin good” lol
It’s actually a great way of weeding out creeps! Not creepy men won’t treat you as any less of a human even if you were bare arse naked
My cousin was a "high class" call girl, worked in a gentlemen's club when she was in her early 20s. The management encouraged her to wear high collared shirts, sweaters that weren't too clingy, layered clothing, belts that emphasized her figure, long skirts. I had no idea that this fashion advice was for the Christian man. Her manager told her that their clientele always gravitated to women who were modestly dressed, so go figure.
😅 totally believe you. That is reality
Every time i hear a man complaining about piercings or heavy/unnatural makeup it only reaffirms my choice to wear those things, especially as a lesbian 😂
Right? Thank you, random man, for letting me know what I need to do to keep you tf away from me!
Dresses are coming back because they are trendy and not because women want to attract men or not because they are trad wives. In fact, a lot of women are wearing dresses now because when they were growing up, dressing feminine was mocked (just look at the teen movies from the 00s). That's one of the reasons I wear so much dresses and skirts now. I am, in part, reclaiming the time, when I was a teen, during which I didn't wear dresses or skirts, because I'd either be sexually harassed, or people would assume that I was dressing up to attract a guy or that I looked too girly and overdressed. Also a lot of dresses are very comfortable and are great for when you have to continuously sit down at a desk to work.
Also layering is a thing now, especially laying with sheer clothing, which is not "modest".
Layering was also in fashion in the late 90s and early 00s. On the catwalk models wore sheer blouses with nothing on underneath. In real life women wore them with a tight strappy top in the same colour underneath. They had to make it work like that for the sake of decency.
i love the new tattoo!!!
Yep!
It's an allergic reaction to the dressing Christian girly challenge.
I was wondering if that was new! I didn’t recognise it but I wasn’t sure if that was just because I wasn’t paying attention lol.
@@theantibot girl it’s literally stunning 🤩
I’m 5’11 and have been since I was 14. The shame people would make me feel for my shorts, skirts, or dresses being short was so disheartening. I grew up in the Bible Belt, and it was so hard to deal with the judgements from Christians regarding my clothing length. I felt so shamed for something I couldn’t even do anything about. I wanted to dress cute like other girls my age, but those cute clothes were simply just so much shorter on me than most other girls. Purity culture just brings so much shame.
I'm 5'10", i feel your pain. 🫠
Im 5'9 and Id get it too. Id be made to feel ashamed or like I was doing something on purpose when the reality was that I was just much taller than the other girls around me. I didn't grow up in the bible belt, but the older ladies at my church made me feel horrible.
My theory on the of-to-conservative pipeline: they're likely feeling guilty from their former lifestyle, so the hard transition to staunch conservatism is likely them trying to overcompensate.
That makes sense for the sincere ones. And the grifters are probably just trying to create a similar narrative
Both OF models and conservative Christian influencers make money off of men's attention. However, the comments they would receive (especially if they do tradwife content) would be less overtly dehumanizing. Plus, the sex worker to evangelist pipeline has been around since Mary Magdeline.
For my great grandma I think it was that the church was the only support she could find after being assaulted. Doubt the has much it do with OF models
From the stories my stripper/OF friend has told me, the absolute depravity will come your way from people following you that you have to be very mentally strong to dive into that world. She has a lot of fun (and makes around $125,000 from stripping a year and about $80,000 from OF) and is smart about protecting her identity and address. Some of the messages I have seen being left are absolutely psychopathic and outright terroristic, but she can shrug it off or document it and get the user shadow banned. But if you are a desperate individual that got kicked out of their house and they are just trying to survive? That is not a good mindset to do OF for.
Same as inmate to evangelist that is really common in south america
Modestly culture really destroyed my view of self. as a naturally busty teen i was constantly being put down by my own parents, friends, teachers about very normal clothes. Now i hate myself 😅 in all seriousness, it's been very difficult to find clothes I actually feel comfortable in or that I feel represent me because of being shamed for just existing in the body "god" gave me
I had the same problem but I leaned into the cleavage even when I was xian although I felt more guilty about it. One of my favorite things is to flaunt it in the face of anyone who looks at me with that side eye prudish disapproval. Bonus is that if I just buy stretchy clothes, the sizing problems mostly go away. Yes the tops are tight and clingy but I like them that way.
Oh, that is so horrible! I'm so sorry you experienced that. Modesty and purity culture has really done a number on women. It has caused so much unnecessary anxiety and shame. It's so needless.
I really do hope you are able to find clothes that make you feel comfortable. Screw what those types of people think!
Been there. I had DD cups in high school. All my fault of course. I was trying to attract men and boys. I'm asexual. Always have been.
@@cindybidwellglaze7698 Hey, Ace pals!
Yeah, that was something weird about watching this Christian influence talk about attracting men. Why on earth would I want to attract men? Ew. lol
I'm sorry that you had to experience that.
Original video: _Hey conservative, Christian men, which clothing choices can women wear that will make you least likely to r@pe us?_
None, I would think not being a christian male , I don't know for sure
For the OF to modest conservative influencer pipeline: it could be if someone has a bad/traumatic experience on OF they are going to swing in the completely opposite direction; or deep-seated shame taught in childhood around sexuality, paired with people condemning your job piled up and got to them; or it really is just there is more money in being a conservative talking head, modesty is just another genre of male sexuality you can cater to.
I think Christianity appeals to them because of things like structure, rules and community and making these videos is a way of coping with their past. Or just simply when you're in christian community these ideas spread like wildfire and when you hear them enough it makes sense.
Yeah I think it’s a mix of guilt, shame and maybe some bad experiences leading them to Christianity, and just how much money there is in it for pretty young women to push conservative evangelical talking points.
Most of them probably aren’t grifters, but they’ve jumped from one toxic industry only to land in another.
Working in the adult industry is not for the feint of heart. I was going to comment similar to you and what has been mentioned by the other comments in this thread here. There is a lot of isolation, trauma and competitiveness in the adult industry so when someone presents them with love bombing and a sense of community they'll lap it up.
I was thinking it could be a grift, like the Oli London thing; the idea of someone who was a ‘degenerate’ denouncing their previous lifestyle and following a ‘straight and narrow’ path appeals to conservatives because it validates their beliefs as correct and true, because even the most egregious examples of people they hate eventually convert. Detransitioners are platformed for this reason, despite making up a very tiny proportion of people who have undergone any kind of gender transition.
It could also be the pickme effect, where some people who are part of a marginalised demographic think that denouncing their former community and acting like ‘one of the good ones’ (licking the boot) helps them gain power and social currency.
I also thought it might just be a kink thing. Bimbofication and debimbofication are apparently fetishes some people have. I guess this theory ties into the whole grifter thing as well. The language she uses is very much still catering to specifically straight men so I wouldn’t be surprised if her content is actually fetish content like the fake tradwife stuff that was popular a while back; weren’t some of those fake tradwives also former or current OF models?
Or maybe they wanted to give their life to Jesus and change? 🤨
There are two problems I see with Christian “modesty.” There’s Matthew 14 where Jesus specifically says that if men’s eyes cause them to lust, he should gouge them out.
There’s also 1corinthians that says that women should cover their hair. Why do these girlies draw the line with their hair? If you’re going to color the Bible, then follow the Bible and cover your hair..
That’s where Muslim and Christianity separate. Christianity decided to go co dependent while Muslims decided to still keep their doctrine alive until it broke you and your family.
Paul said that women's hair is their covering and they don't have to put anything else on top of their head.
The amount of WOMEN who came up to me when I was a teen to tell me I should wear a hoodie because the size of my boobs in a big shirt was disturbing them "and the boys" meanwhile the boys didn't care...... I liked what they liked. I could talk about video games and wanted to play sports with them. They didn't care about my boobs.
But adult WOMEN and adult MEN cared. Way too much.
The mental and physical damage they inflict on younger kids and teens is horrifying.
Edited to add: I've been reflecting a lot on "Modesty" and how non-inclusive it is. If you don't have big natural curves, using a belt is seen as "classy," but the moment someone has big boobs or big hips or a bigger belly, it's "too much."
Modesty culture is fatphobic. Hands down.
Madam, i am not wearing dresses because men like them.
I'm wearing dresses because i live in Texas and I'm gonna get heatstroke if i try walking around in jeans in the summer
One time I posted a thirst trap, I got support from non-Christian people (okay, expected probably), BUT I didn't expect to get a private message from a fellow church member, a guy, asking for a 'video version' of my thirst trap. Disgusting. My fault I guess for not cleaning up my follower list first before posting.
Why did you post that in the first place?
@@Sergio-nb4hj Free will?
@@Sergio-nb4hj Why does anyone post anything?
I'm a bad person, I would have charged him 😅
@@Sergio-nb4hj My initial reaction to this was, “because I wanted to and I think I look hot and why do you care?” But to answer you, it was partly getting rid of the shame ingrained in me for having a body, for being a woman. I wasn’t allowed to. It was “sinful.” So just think of it as taking back ownership. I was celebrating myself.
Rule of thumb for tackling anything that doesn't harm yourself or others: you can do whatever you want forever
Never trust a video intended for adults with a plinkity, plonkity childrens television soundtrack, fake smiles and vacuous stares.
When I was fourteen, my parents sat me down and explained to me that I would have to start wearing oversized shirts with leggings because 'people can see what kind of underwear you're wearing'. It made me feel like total shit about myself, and for the first time in my life, I started seeing my half-developed fourteen-year-old body as sexual. I started hating the way I looked, and no matter what I was wearing and where I was going, I felt disgusting. My parents would literally make me change my clothes into something 'more modest' if I was going for a walk around the block on a warm day, or going to visit family friends. When I tried to explain to them that they were making me feel like shit, their actual response was 'we never told you to feel that way'.
Also, side note, almost every time I've been catcalled, it's been when I'm dressed 'modestly'. The most recent incident occurred when I was wearing long pants and a thick winter jacket that covered me from my chin to my knees.
Christian modesty needs to stop claiming vintage styling as theirs. Vintage lovers don't claim them!! And btw, vintage looks can be super "immodest" by her claims. Women wore the crap out of some crop tops and short shorts in the 40s/50s (search vintage playsuits).
One of the problems with modesty is who decides what’s modest? A lot of evangelicals wear t-shirts and jeans which would be considered immodest by fundamentalist muslims.
Absolutely - Modesty and Feminine/Masculine expression change with time, place and culture. But a lot of these videos portray a shallow and narrow view of an imaginary simpler world.
"You do dress to attract, right?"...
...
Hum...
How about not being cold, liking the colour, feeling comfortable...
Na?
I was raised southern baptist and, even when I left the church, I just felt more comfortable dressing modestly and I love dresses.
I am in my 30s now and happily married to a liberal former catholic man, but in my 20s I often attracted conservative men. They assigned all sorts of untrue things to my outfits and got really angry when I didn't fit their stereotypes.
I see the constant talk about attracting men to mean, "Here is how to signal to conservative Christian men that you want to be conservative Christian wife." If being a "Godly" woman means to marry and be subservient to a Christian man and raise Christian children, then I can see how these things may be connected in her head.
(Apologies if you mention this later in the video. I needed to pause the video and will likely come back to finish, but wanted to comment so I didn't forget.)
You hit the nail right on the head. Much of what they say is code too. It is a way to identify members of their tribe. The fact that you gave out the signals but had no idea you were doing that would be interpreted by them as you being dishonest. So it wasn't you not fitting the stereotype. It was you using the "code" when you aren't part of their tribe. They see that as dishonest, and an invasion by an outsider, which is why they get so angry. (And yes, it is silly)
It's basically just subculture attire.
Genuinely surprised that she approves of belts for waist emphasis. I know there is an underlying point to her thesis that women must be seen as sexual creatures, just the RIGHT kind of sexual creature, but I had this image that biblical modesty was supposed to de-sexify you (which you can still be fashionable in) the formless silhouette is really coming back in style. And listen, I love feeling cunty in a waist belt or high waisted pants, but the fact that she is still putting this much emphasis on exhibiting your body’s sexual potential to be judged for its worth feels icky. I will say it is REALLY hard to unlearn “if you can’t see my waist, I’m not pretty.” Like hourglass is just ONE silhouette, there are so many potential styles to explore if you broaden your horizons.
Baggie clothes Billie Eilish coming in clutch for my argument. But also to hype other types of silhouettes: Triangle: have you SEEN how cute fluffy tent dresses look? Giant shirt with shorts is also a triangle. And you gotta look at the Japanese Mori girl subculture. Fashion is your oyster if you don’t restrict yourself to just the hourglass silhouette.
@@Emymagdalena immediately who I thought of. Such an icon.
Dressing for oneself allows women to express their individuality, creativity, and personal style. Fashion can be a form of art and a way to communicate one's personality without needing validation from others
I'm totally a girly dresser - because I love dresses, jewelry, the whole nine yards. Always have. One day in kindergarten, my mtDNA donor dressed me in pants. I stood in the hall outside the classroom screaming and refused to go in until they finally called her and she had to take me home and put me in a dress before I would agree to go in the class. 😂 My sister was the complete opposite. Still is. It's irritating that people assume I dress like the way I do to "attract men." Pretty sure that wasn't my aim in freaking kindergarten! (Also, I'm in the process of divorcing one man - I sure as hell am not interested in becoming entangled with another one anytime soon. 🙅🏼♀️)
To the shein-tipp: I had a religion teacher in school who taught us about beeing ressourcefull and protect the eath in order to protect gods creation. I wasn't religious then and I ain't now, but I think that's some of the christian stuff I ever heard. And it was relevant for every body to know their ecological footprint.
Criticizes consumerism and then says she buys a dress every month........
From a non-religious guy perspective, I've always hate the "modesty culture" stuff cause it makes it sound like all of us guys are just animals with no self control. Like I can see a hot person and not lose my shit. I can interact with them and still treat them as a normal person. The repressed dudes that make this up project that on all of us when its like, nah dude. Thats a you issue that YOU should work on.
Theory re the “OF to conservative Christian pipeline”…personally when I tried to reconcile experiences of SA i used victim blamey notions of modesty as a way to assert that I had some sort of agency in the experience “if I didn’t do x then y wouldn’t have happened.”
This was an escape - as the reality that all agency had been stripped from me during those experiences was too painful.
If people were hurt or shamed by some experience relating to this (which I imagine many OF models in our culture are) they might swing to the other side as a way to feel safe in a false guarantee that if they act a certain way, they won’t be hurt again. Thoughts?
Love the video as always 💓💓💓
I don't have anything to add I just think this was really insightful, thank you for sharing
Thanks for sharing your perspective. This has broadened my understanding!
I agree. People are looking for answers. It's hard to admit that there are just awful human beings walking this planet that are willing to harm others. This is especially true for Christians who feel the need to do anything under the sun to uphold other "Christians" even if it mean destroying a victims' lives to accomplish it. I was from conservative Christianity culture and was in constant fear of being judged for the way I dressed. I still got creeped on regardless.
@@spOOkytimes thanks for sharing your story 💓 it’s a hard pill to swallow for sure. It’s a strange thing because being ignorant causes so much harm but can be almost more bearable than the truth. It doesn’t matter what you wear or do - SA is generally about power and not attraction
@@art.junk13 thanks for listening 👂
I’ve never believed in modesty culture tbh. The movie Persepolis framed why perfectly for me. There’s a scene in the movie where the main character is late for class and is running to school in a burka. She’s stopped by a police officer and told she shouldn’t be running because “her seating bottom could tempt men to sin.” The main character’s response was “THEN DONT LOOK!!!”
It doesn’t matter how much a woman covers up, these men will find fault with it.
Love your work btw!
That was the other extreme. In Iran under the Shah women wore western clothes that would be considered 'modest' by today's standards but it was also the way women and girls dressed in North America and Western Europe at the time. Then the Ayatollah took over and they had to cover their hair completely and wear those cloaks. The religious police would stop her to cover her hair as a wisp of it appeared.
My thought on why (some) women go down the OF -> evangelical pipeline:
-Take a woman who is nominally connected with religion but doesn't hold strong religious convictions
-She's either excited about trying something different and exploring that side of herself, or she thinks it's easy money
-The reality of sex work is not what she expected. For some, it's probably a lot harder than they thought. For most, it's probably less profitable than they thought. And even for ones who do find success, the experience is tainted by bad experiences like misogyny, creeps, bizarre vitriol, stalking, or even a partner controlling them (experiences the other groups may also have, but in this category it's the primary negative for them)
-She's left feeling disillusioned
-She gets the Jesus pitch, which she's already predisposed to be receptive to (see first point)
-The messaging against OF and other sex work becomes attractive because of her negative experiences
-Making the switch provides a lot of positive attention, Christians love the sinner to saint narrative
-Some women adopt that narrative as their new identity, others are maybe more cynical and simply see how much more profitable the evangelical space is
In this view, there's certainly a spectrum of earnest interest in OF and cynical interest in OF. On the far end of cynicism you get grifters who are following the money. On the earnest side, you get people who are hurt or disillusioned and flipping to the Christian team that's anti-feminism resonates with them.
Maybe I'm wrong or oversimplifying, but i feel like this is likely for some percentage of people who go down that pipeline
no i think youre spot on
i mean, if you're a young uneducated and attractive lady and you just want easy money, OF and marrying a rich dude are like the two most obvious options. i think you pinned down exactly what goes on for those women
“It’s so hard finding modest clothes in 2024, they don’t cater to a modest lifestyle anymore”Last time I checked Christian Standards are the norm. Like it’s so easy to find dresses, and “modest” clothing. (But that’s a matter of perspective).
In the UK a lot of Muslim women find it difficult to find modest clothing that isn't a burka or chador. They want to wear Western clothing but be covered from neck to foot especially if from Turkey or Pakistan. It was much easier in the 70s and 80s to find this clothing in shops and then they piled on the layers. Now they find it difficult. What was once 'alternative' is now the norm.
The fashions of the 80s are now considered modest by today's standards. In Brazil there was a fashion designer making modest clothing for Christian women such as the form fitting skirt suit with sleeves to just above the elbows and the skirt hemline to just above the knee. In the 80s it was the norm to dress like that in the summer when dressing smart during the daytime and it wasn't seen as particularly modest. Modest clothing then was ankle length skirts or dresses or tent dresses.
This narrative completely ignores the SCRIPTURE that says that if a man’s eye should cause him to sin, he should PLUCK IT OUT - nothing about a woman changing how she dresses in SCRIPTURE. Also, these same people will be completely opposed to/offended by a woman wearing a hijab or a burkha.
And to be clear, I almost always dress very modestly of my own volition. I even wear a rashguard and board shorts when I go swimming. It’s my personal preference (and I burn VERY easily).
I think not every Christian fem person would like to hear that, but Muslim brands often have AMAZING long flowy dresses. I don't care about modesty but I love big dresses with an under-layer and not tight, and I can tell you, Muslim brands are absolutely saving my ass here
From the way she references her audience, I think she found a niche in Christian men who want to see a former s worker now say all the things they always believed.
Is there any religion that doesn't have some level of victim blaming?
seriously!!!!
buddhism honestly. maybe taoism. one of those religions where assholes will tell you it doesnt count as a religion
My ex pastor’s wife pointed out to me that my otherwise modest dress had a V waist that pointed to my nether regions. I was so embarrassed. I had just started wearing dresses and the print was so pretty and the style looked nice on me. It didn’t take long for me to start wearing jumpers. 😣 my husband was so confused.
Ugh, that says way more about her than you. But by "jumpers" do you mean American jumpers, like those coverall-type, one piece outfits, or UK jumpers, as in sweaters? This is one time when an international crowd requires clarification
Fun fact. Being a godly, chaste, young woman only works for so long. Then you get older, you have a couple kids, you get burnt out, the flowy dresses look matronly and frumpy instead of virginal. But there’s always a crop of young, godly women in sundresses looking for financial security who will be happy to replace you and your children. The tradwife to being discarded for a younger version pipeline is a real thing folks.
58 minutes right when I get home? It was meant to be. I’m gonna be late for my next obligation
My OF pipeline theory is most of their clients are Christian's
Yup
I think it’s a kink thing lol, like the fake tradwife content that’s made by people who also do OF
@@ladymacbethofmtsensk Yup, those Conservative-Christian/Theobros want their women to look and act like OF/Instagram models but done in a "biblical" way. It's all based on misogyny and objectifying women but based under the control of the man/husband. I think it's a massive power play kink as well. Step-ford wife/s*x kitten who looks good for her husband and will do any and everything he asks. It's all very icky.
There it is 👆 I’m gunna bet a lot wife-guys from her church are looking up her old OF content.
I recently converted to Sufi Islam and I like it a lot. Having said that, it is my personal belief that the ultra-conservative Muslim view of women and modesty and all of that is insulting not only to women but to men as well. It’s insulting to me as a man because the implication is that if I see a woman’s hair or shoulders or ankles, I won’t be able to control myself, and that’s ridiculous. I have never mistreated or abused a single woman in my life, or anyone else for that matter. I’m a bit biased because I was born and raised in the US, but I proudly fight for tolerance and progressive attitudes towards many issues, including sexuality, within the Islamic community and I’m happy that many young people like me are starting to change the conventional narrative and culture and being more open-minded. Sufis in general are more open minded, which is why we are hated by ultra-conservative Muslims.
I'm a muslim woman who covers and I find it freeing that strangers don't have access to my body. As women we are often reduced to how we look, and it feels great knowing that people can't do that to me.
"the implication is that if I see a woman’s hair or shoulders or ankles, I won’t be able to control myself" is it though? I hear men say stuff like this all the time but I don't really get it. Is there an implication that men are affected by how women dress? Yeah I would say so. But I don't see how there's an implication that men can't control themselves.
I actually love dresses but the statement “men love dresses” kind of made me NOT want to wear them anymore 🤣
Lol!
Get black dresses, that makes the christcreepers uncomfy :3
Buy some black dresses, those can make the christmen uncomfy :3
38:37 Yes! Beyond the early 1900s or the 1950s, my mom wasn’t allowed to wear slacks as an accountant at a Fortune 500 company until the mid 90s!
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR BAPHOMET TATTOO OMGG SOOOO DOPPEEE! As a satanist myself as soon as you revealed you were a satanist I started watching all your videos lol 😆 I was like yessss
Thank you! Hail Satan!
@@theantibot HAIL FUCKING SATAN! LETSS GOOOOOOO!
I agree with most of what you critique about hardcore Christians but aren’t you falling into the same category by going full on satanic. I mean, you could take a modest bible thumping Christian and then yourself and you’re both extreme on the spectrum. Atheist I get completely because you’re not subscribing to anything in particular but you doing all of this isn’t any different from the other extreme. Your entire identity is satanic. At least online it is.
@@theantibotI agree with most of your criticisms about Christian extremes, but aren’t you doing the exact same by being on the other end of the spectrum?Atheist I get because you’re not subscribing to anything specific but your entire identity is becoming Satanic. How are you any different from the Bible thumping Christians if your entire identity revolves around Satan. At least online it does. Not judging at all, just an observation.
@@lo7775 Well a lot of churches don't pay their taxes sooooo
My father in law told my daughter and her besty last summer (out of nowhere) that he finds women with septum piercings unattractive. She shot back “I’m your granddaughter I shouldn’t be attractive to you”. Then like a month later got her septum pierced 1.) because she wanted to and 2.) to basically rebel against grandpa.
She asked me what I thought about it. I told her she’s an adult and I can’t really tell her no or to take it out.
I love how much they include each other in their own videos. They love working together. So cute
The idea of people turning from "sinful" lifestyles to a modest, pure, natural & traditional lifestyle is heavily rooted in fascism. A lot of WWII propaganda preached about tradition and the importance of gender roles to keep society "pure".
Given the US's recent plummet into Christofascism, I'm not surprised to see a corresponding uptick in videos about being a REAL man, trad wife content, and most of it existing within christian spaces (or at least appealing to biblical beliefs of spiritual purity).
6:17 The pipeline… Honestly I’d bet most are grifting. It’s a catchy marketing tool. I think we won’t see as many “OF to conservative Christian” girls coming out in 1-2 years as the shock-value of that headline wears off.
Making a mental note to get a septum ring as a Christian man deterrent 😂. I actually like the look. I have a wacky artistic side and I think I should definitely embrace it more. I kind of dress like the Christian girl in the video and now I really don’t want to 😂.
Found the love of my life when i was dressing “trashy” He loves me for me not my clothing and that’s what women should look for not fear a man is sexualizing them
as an autistic person who grew up in this evangelical culture around modesty, i take things literally AND was taught to do so, so it never occurred to me that "modesty" meant anything other than the clothes you wear, but ever since i heard someone else mention it has more to do with your attitude it changed the way i also view christian "modesty". obviously im not christian anymore and dont even believe this, but it only makes me more angry at this modesty culture for deliberately missing the point and focusing on blaming women for violence against women when it should apply to ALL and yey flaunting wealth is seen as ok and not immodest. UGH
*yet not yey (youtube doesnt let me edit comments rn idk why but it glitches)
This so much! Except i was taught my whole life that "it's not about how you look, it's about your relationship with god", but in practice i was never allowed to step a toe out of line when it came to my clothes. My black and white brain took that to mean both, that i need to cover my evil body perfectly and i have to do it to to respect my body and god 🙄
Judging from the images in Alesia's video, one also needs to be thin.
Oh of course! No one wants a slothful glutton!! (Nevermind that the original definition of sloth was "feeling sorry for yourself" and gluttony is literally "hoarding resources so others can't have them")
i wonder how upset she would be if she realised how much many trans girls love spinny skirts and dresses….
It's a dumb criticism, but what baked my brain the most was when she said "expecially." (It was during the part where she was talking about the quality of the clothes.) It's something you expect to hear from content targeting the lowest common denominator. Maybe I'm just spoiled. Coming out of Christianity has exposed me to smarter content and more professional content creators, like the Antibot! Love you and Drew! Keep these videos coming. It's therapy for me.
What I find interesting its just how many christian trad wives focus on looks when the bible says "your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes "
I thought maybe they'd consider what I wear on a daily basis modest, but then she basically attacked those of us who dress androgynously because we aren't feminine enough. I pretty much exclusively wear baggy men's t-shirts that cover everything and jeans. But apparently that's bad because I'm not feminine enough. Oh, she's also hate that I'm non-binary. lol
And I never think about men when I'm dressing except maybe if I know I'm going to see a friend that likes a certain geeky franchise, I may wear a certain t-shirt of something they like just because they are my friend. But I do that for the lady friends in my life, too.
Because of what was considered normal and trendy in the 70s, 80s, 90s and early 00s is considered 'modest' now. Mini skirts and dresses were in and out of fashion throughout that time but the hemlines were no more than six inches above the knee not up to the crotch as they are now.
In the early 00s skirts had low waist bands and were straight shaped but the hemlines had come down to below the knee to either just below the knee, just below the calves or to the ankles. You were only expected to show so much skin so girls wearing vest tops also wore long trousers or long skirts.
Someone should tell Christian men there are cuties out there who LOVE wearing dresses and petticoats, heels and stockings, vintage hair and makeup, gloves and hats. They’re called drag queens.
What is the most concerning part about teaching men and women that women should dress modest to be worthy or holy, is that it also teaches christian men that women that aren't dressed modest are fine to assault. Since men are also though that they have an uncontrollable lust, it shows them that if they sexually assault a unmodest woman, it is seem as part of their nature and not there fault.
Thats why for me it feels unsafer to live in a conservative christian (well all conservative abrahamic religion) since I wouldn't want to be seen a public property only because I wear spaghetti straps, or short skirts.
Did it ever occur to women like her that some women don't want the kinds of men who would treat us with disrespect and judgement because of what we're wearing?
Quiz for Christians: Which one did Jesus say?
1. If your eye causes you to sin, tell the woman to cover up
2. If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out
I really appreciate that you didn’t buy a bunch of stuff to do this video but tried to make your real closet work.
Of girlie here. Some girls transition to christian content specidicallu anti of content because sw is hard. Like really hard and alot of people do not believe me when I say that. So when people leave but still want to make money? Well it's easy to post a video in a modest dress "5 reasons why a former of model thinks modest is hottest" your guaranteed clicks.
I've even seen girls who had no success be salty and post about it. And I've seen people who were very successful do the same thing. It safe bait and content for men
Yeah they might’ve been a little bit late to the OF game and the field was already oversaturated by the time they got there so they tried to pivot to the next big thing of making trad content but that field is also becoming rapidly over saturated as well
Am I the only one who thinks she looks like the cis version of Blare White?
My husband finds me sexy and tells me everyday about how much he loves me everyday and I exclusively wear death metal shirts with bands like Sanguisugabogg, 200 Stab Wounds, Cannibal Corpse, and XAVLEG. I don't wear clothes to appeal to others, although I can't deny how cool I feel when someone recognizes the band whenever I go out. It's almost like clothes don't define your morality and it's weird and dangerous to do that.
19:04 It would've been more accurate for Alesia to say, "How we dress can attract different people," because sometimes people do dress to attract and sometimes they don't. Street prostitutes and OF models dress provocatively when they're working in order to attract clients, but not necessarily when they're running errands. NYC corporate businesswomen dress sharp to attract the attention of coworkers, bosses, and important clients, but they dress more casually when relaxing at home. Sometimes you dress in a way that you think Drew would like, but for the most part you dress in a way that you like for yourself. It's circumstantial, and it also depends on how much each person cares about what others think of them, which varies.
I always loved how the answer is often layers. As someone who has run hot since practically birth, having to layer up was my own personal hell.
As a person learning about how to dress feminine watching someone else struggle with clothes, even ironically, was super comforting
I dress for myself. I wear dresses because im on the autistic spectrum and can't handle pants or shorts. I love dressing in a more vintage style 1940/50 but i make it spooky, lots of black, spiderwebs and pumpkins year round. I went from being more of a traditional goth to more of a vintage goth. I love dressing up because i just love dressing up, i love lace, heels, hats, gloves and corsets. The way i dress makes me happy and thats all that matters.
It’s like her values may have shifted, but her fundamental focus on men’s attention has not, just the type of man is different. Hopefully this is just a grift and not how she lives her private life bc living your life only for men is so sad.
Maybe she's really keen on men because the ratio of her viewership is more male? I would not be surprised if there are a lot of Christian men watch content that's intended for an audience of Christian women because they think the woman making the content is attractive and since they are watching something "about God" it isn't "lustful" for them to feel attracted.
I think it could be a fetish/repressed sexuality thing lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if her current audience has significant overlap with her old audience.
"modesty brings honor to god!" then why where we created naked?? why did thee first people not wear cloths? wtf? fr i don't understand how ppl say we where in the garden or whatever and where ok w being naked, then WAER AS MUCH FABRIC AS POSABLE, COVER YOUR SINFUL FLESH!!!!!
and only for women...hmmmm...interesting...
and honestly. STOP TREATING WOMAN LIKE NONE HUMAN LUST MASHINCE STOP STOP STOPP WEMON ARE NOT HERE FOR YOU TO BE HORRNY IF U CANT KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS ITS YOUR FAULT
also i hate when ppl blame the devil for everything they dont like
and also its not like ppl r wearing bikinis 24/7. i dress mOdEsTllY cuz i like to wear oversized MENS cloths. but bc im a guy its not notable or anything, if i dont wear a shirt out and about its ok, lil weird, but its fine, but if a girl wears a tank top-? BURN THE WTICH type shit :(
“Men want mystery” makes me think of men undressing women with their eyes and trying to picture how they look underneath their clothes. So that seems counter productive if you’re trying not to “tempt men”
While I don't ACTUALLY dress like this ($$$$) my ideal dress sense is technically modest (no cleavage, often layered, knee length skirts or leggings under skirts) it's also very EYE-CATCHING! I like J fashion like Lolita, Mori, Natural/Dolly/Cult Party/etc kei. You would definitely notice me! I haven't actually reached the actual tutorial part, but i feel like she's going to hate the super soft, cutesy, and often visually striking outfits I want to wear.
(Now, i do also like cottagecore and I feel like that's more what these types want...)
Knee length skirts came back into fashion around 1972/3 and then they went longer to just below the calf midi skirts in 1975 for a short while. Mini skirts didn't come back in until the early 80s but not everyone was wearing one. Mostly punk girls like Jordan were wearing them in the late 70s.
There was a revival of 50s fashion in the 80s with full knee length skirts that were either gathered at the waist or circular. Madonna would be wearing a knee length pencil skirt in some of her videos in the 80s.
Mini skirts reappeared in the 90s and then hemlines went down to the knees again in 1998. In the early 00s they were even longer to just below the calf or just above the ankle but straight shaped and with a low waistband. Then in the 00s girls and women started wearing form fitting above and below the waist.
I remember layering of tops being in fashion in the late 90s and early 00s and nobody thought of it as modest then.
Throughout the 20th century tops were form fitting with flared or loose skirts and trousers or the tops were blouson and loose with skirts and trousers form fitting and straight. Only so much skin could be shown. Backless evening dresses in the 80s often had high necklines or they were floor length.
The body shaming/curve shaming aspects of modesty culture is so harmful. The commentator’s “modest” scoop neck top would look suggestive on my body. I can’t tell you how many times my mom would hold up an incredibly slim woman as the epitome of feminine beauty. She often commented that clothing styles would “look fine on *** if they were skinny, but…”
I watch a variety of fashion channels and I don't get where she got the ideas that women don't wear dresses anymore and only now discovering dresses again. Dresses never went away!
I think the common thread between OF/thirst trap instagram models and conservative Christianity is internalized misogyny. Like the idea of trying to please men is so deeply ingrained in her psyche that she can’t conceptualize a reality in which this wouldn’t be the driving force behind what she wears. All of her language is indicating that she has merely shifted her “audience”, as far as which subset of men she is trying to cater to.
I can see how having bad experiences with the blatant misogyny of her former online space could make the veiled misogyny of evangelical Christianity seem like a major improvement by comparison. But it’s still an oppressive ideology that just moves the abuse beneath the surface a bit (honestly not much, depending on the community).
These two online spaces actually have a lot in common as far as how shamelessly they objectify women, and because of this it’s perhaps not too surprising that there is a huge overlap in the consumers of them- the Christian content is what these men consume and promote publicly, while the OF/thirst traps are what they fund privately while fueling their own shame cycles.
@@kruegertcg9830 sex work is real work, and it's consensual. It's not objectifying.
Side note, "garden goth" sounds like an excellent aesthetic, and I'm here for it
The public vs private property thing was an amazing comparison.
Thank you for the endorsement for the septum ring! I've always wanted one 😂
You should get one! They're pretty easy to heal compared to other piercings, and if you decide to take it out you can't see the piercing site. They seem to get crusty in a way that other piercings don't, and if you go to a bad piercer it can be real bad ( do your research first!) But there's so many beautiful jewelry choices and it scares off the weirdos 🖤
Omg your new tattoo looks incredible!! [EDIT] Or, should I say Oms (Oh My Satan) lol bye
must remember to use OMS 😈👹
55:14 I used to have a septum ring (it rejected but I’m hoping to get it again as well) and I literally had an old man walk up to me at my job and call me a cow, when I smiled and laughed it off it made him angry for some reason and he started to snidely ask if “those boys you work with lead you around with that thing”.. I just dropped any pleasantry’s and said “no because I’m a human being and deserve to be treated that way, can I help you?” He ended up just laughing at me and walking away like he had done something.. Like good job sir, you have proven yourself to be a horrible person, I bet when you tell your family this story you won’t make any of them uncomfortable.
It's giving garden goth more than garden of eden" 🤣
My guess on the OF->Christian influencer pipeline is that Christian content is big business. There’s a lot of competition on OF.
Your tattoo is AMAZING! Love it SO much! 😍😍
girlllll your chest tattoo!! I looooove
I dress in what makes me feel comfortable as should everyone. If you want to wear like a dress, a suit, sweatpants, graphic tee, etc then you should without being made to feel guilty or pressured to dress a particular way in the name of "dressing modestly" or so I can attract the "right person" when if someone does want to date &/or get married then they're going to want to be with someone who loves them as themselves not someone who want to try force them to dress a certain way or to say/do something they don't want to
The OF to Christian girly pipeline makes total sense, even though it may happen for various reasons. It could be for some women that they feel genuine religious guilt and are trying to spread the word, but there's also an audience of incel adjacent men who want to hear from women that onlyfans is bad because it's corrupting men and/or society. If you're a woman who is a former onlyfans model herself this may give you some extra credibility in their eyes, or at the very least it appeals to an online Christian audience. And if we're being honest, being a christian influencer is waaay easier than being a sex worker and the contributions they make to society are far less substantial
I’m more inclined to think it’s a grift considering how popular the ‘I used to be a degenerate, now I’m a conservative Christian’ genre of content is with conservative Christians. People like Oli London, for instance, have built their entire career off of it.
@@ladymacbethofmtsensk ahhh yes conservative Christians who think video games cause violence or demonic but as if the bible isn't that brutal just like any history lessons and pay your taxes you damn Yankees.
The OF to CI pipeline is a marketing gimmick. Nothing gets the Evangelicals salivating more than a "Jesus saved me from a life of sin" redemption arc.
my thoughts on of to conservative Christian influencer: i think part of it is shame right? its a stigmatized line of work so i think theres something about the redemptive nature of the scriptures could ve compelling when youre also told by those same scriptures that what youve done is sinful. the other part is money; the christian grift probably pays better than OF especially if you can get in early
The Christian grift probably pays better per the amount of work required than OF honestly depending on how much content you produce
@@ViridianCrisis7 100%! even the young turks see $$ on the right recently it's honestly p depressing
@@vapiddreamscape Never forget that Cenk was a Young Republican in college. I always thought that his going liberal was grift too. So they will flip to wherever the money is.
@@littlebitofhope1489 i had no idea ty for the info! I never actually watched them lol I just heard about the transphobia
@@vapiddreamscape Religion is an easy revenue.
So she went from Sugar Daddies to big Sky Daddy? She's climbed the ladder.