I met somebody who said "What if I just mounted a big fan from a hovercraft in front of the car so it sucks in more air, like a Turbo but cooler" LMFAO and another one who just thought that by pressing the gas pedal you unleashed a spoled up gas operated spring to get the wheels to move. and that the pressure of the fuel flowing into the tank when filling up was respoling the spring LMAO
Bladed Angel: you shouldnt get a car with a turbo if you dont know how to drive one Also Bladed Angel: doesnt explain how to drive a car with a turbo 😂😂😂😂
iTheGeek It's not nice to call people dumbasses. Everyone makes mistakes but you do have a point. Those supercars or other with turbos give them an advantage in certain ways. Performance wise, yes.
@iTheGeek you're right this dude had a V8 car and now has a supercharged car that's why he's talking shit about turbocharged cars. Feels like that the cars he owns are better than any other car like he's a fucking car God or some sh!t
Low RPMs and foot off the gas. Autos that come from factory with a turbo will have the transmission set up for optimal efficiency. Just don't floor it, Its that easy.
I'm a non car people. But the layout of the video from this channel helps me understand what my buddy is doing with one of his cars. Very nice that this exists. From a genuine human being to make a forever immortal lession to help people. A great member of our world!
I'm glad you brought up the fuel economy issue. Ever since the Inception of the modern turbo setups I've been watching the estimated MPGs drop basically year by year. Of course all of that being said if I ever was to put boost to my Hemi I would have to step correct to the brand, that's right old school jet turbine car.
What he should have specified was that manufacturers have found turbocharging/downsizing to be effective in getting better EPA test results in the specific conditions the tests are run in
"meanwhile, superchargers already have such a hard time fitting under the hood since they lay on top of the engine..." *Laughs in centrifugal supercharger*
I’ve been Turboed in my 06 Sentra SPECV for years now, extremely reliable for me and never had a problem! I’ve also daily this car to go to school, work and going out with friends/family! Plus it’s fun with that little more power
The unreliability from turbos comes from the added mechanical parts and the increased oil consumption to lubricate them. Indeed, adding them together, it is natural to assume that this would decrease reliability - more moving parts = more points of failure, after all, right? Problem is, modern turbos, especially for Japanese cars, aren't the same as old turbos. They spool up much faster and nearly eliminate the turbo lag with either clever construction or additional gadget wizardry, and aren't reportedly *that* much more unreliable. Also the advantage for superchargers in racing isn't quite as one-sided as you made it out to be. Obviously, coming out of corners, the driver would keep the engine revs rather high to exploit the high power coming out of turns, and this is the norm for any engine, whether N/A, turbo or supercharged. In fact, I'd wager that with good driving technique and gearing, turbo cars can just as easily smoke supercharged cars out of corners. [constant edits while watching the video] The Zenvo's problem was from both the fuel system and the cooling system causing a fire. While boosting can increase temperatures significantly, on its own it doesn't contribute to reliability - remember, an engine needs more than just a set of pistons to work properly, and any small problems can cascade into bigger problems. I still enjoy your content, Bladed, but this one comes just a little bit biased. You're not wrong in explaining most of this stuff, just a bit exaggerated :P
man, as a car normie who loved turbos for power n sound, i still fucking want them even tho they can be dangerous if you dont place em right or use the right parts
@@Slipknot2RIP no because some engines have bigger turbos than others.. It's the technology put into new turbochargers that helps eliminate some of the problems that the older ones had by putting in much lighter and better components like compressor wheels, better and more efficient materials for the exducer to hold heat more efficiently and inducer to flow more cool air into the turbo to help it spool faster and easier, and stuff like that.. It's more than just big or small man... Besides, sometimes small turbos can be worse than bigger ones as they can choke the up top engine power because they run out of steam quicker than bigger ones which leave more room to be pushed further
I believe that better gas mileage is achieved by small turbocharged engines is because they behave and perform as a NA engines of same displacement as long as you are using your throttle gently and alter it's position slow (as you do at the constant speed on the highway).
Great guide! Just a little note - newer Volvos also use twincharging and it seems like they made it work without the engine blowing up, but I get that the Zenvo was probably pushing the boost a lot higher.
You're right about the ecoboost. I try to keep my foot out of mine, but the turbo noises are nice. Although, I will say that getting 28mpg is nice with the mods as well.
This was so helpful. i subscribed to your channel a few months ago and i guess ignored your channel but i found the hidden gem (you) since then ive been binge watching the crap out of your videos. Keep up the good videos for us noobie car enthusiasts 👏👏
My friend bought an ebay supercharger kit for his 2014 Honda Jazz. In the description they say it can manage up to 350 whp but we were only able to sqeeze out 289whp. Still in a car that small and light its fun as hell when we leave Amgs and one time a porshe boxter in the dust. According to an app on my phone one time we hit 258 kmph on a highway. It was scary but still fun. And its still reliable because HONDA.
I started to know Supercharger since NFS MW 2005. Firstly, I throught turbo were manually activated for temporary, but NFS Underground 2 taught me the turbo is used in conjunction with throttle and increase power as long as engine still running.
For those who didnt get it let me make it simple. Imagine smoking a blunt. Done? Now imagine that the blunt you are smoking just turned into a leaf blower. Yep thats forced induction for you normies
Wooooaaah!? I was watching your funnier vids just talking about goofy mods and how people drive but now I've stumbled upon a couple of extremely informative videos and you have taught me a whole lot more about my car than anyone I've ever met
05 Impala 3.8 V6 SC. 158,000 miles. Changed the supercharger oil every 50K. Still going strong. With a 3.6" supercharger pulley, 9 psi of boost is semi respectable. Excellent throttle response.
He was just doing a simplified example, most turbo engines last much longer than 5 years, but a larger non turbo engine built to the same standards will almost always last longer and be more reliable, that was his point.
@@pedrocarros sort of. basically if your racing in a state like florida with a N/A car its gonna have more power than racing in a state like seattle since the air is too thin for the engine to make power. take pikes peak for ex. at the bottom you have more power, but as you continue to get higher altitudes you lose more power than before because the air isnt as dense up top
One of the few Twin Charged mass produced vehicles was the VW Scirocco 1.4TSI (158BHP). Same 1.4l engine as the regular TSI found in many other VAG models but they added a magnetic supercharger to improve power at low RPMs and overall efficiency. VW decides to put-off the twin-charging model claiming it added $100 of extra cost per unit, and made a significant impact on the firm's financial situation.
Halleluja, someone actually names the child by its name, there is no twin turbo or by turbo, only sequential and parallel configurations. Also, a turbocharged engine are actually used for enviromental reason, namely reduction of CO2 emmissions by reducing fuel consumption at roughtly the same or higher power level than a natural aspiration engines. That's why diesel engines are turbocharged, they need lean mixtures, therefor a lot of airflow and they need high combustion chamber pressure for self ignition and a turbocharger gives you this with the advantage of lower starting torque needed for the starter motor. Also, you forgot to mention compound turbochargers, often found on WW2 bomber aircraft or Semi trucks. It basically is a turbochager bolted to the crankshaft (the compressor as well as the turbine wheel), basically to regain the exhaust energy directly.
Non-Car Guy's Guide. Heavy emphasis on the word cars. I don't care about it's applications on aircraft or trucks, I'm not trying to make an hour long documentary. Superchargers are also found in a lot of aircraft as well, but I'm not trying to confused people who are likely already confused. This video was meant for people who don't know anything about them.
@@BladedAngel I'm just adding things here. This shouldn't be some kind of rant, the video was a very good summary of the most crucial knowledge about fotced induction ;D. I just though the compound tutbocharger could have been added as there are some crazy guys that actually build drag bikes and cars with this system even if it is a rather rare sight XD.
a few points from someone who has been daily driving forced induction for several years: first off the best application for a turbo charger is in cars that make loads of torque, but prefer to run at low RPM, this mitigates the lag, while broadening your power band significantly. second point is that your statement about reliability is laughable. Diesel engines are designed to be reliable and last forever and ever since people discovered that turbocharging a Diesel engine has literally no practical downside, they have been making turbochargers that can match the reliability of a diesel engine. third point is that forced induction increases risk of engine knock in engines that are designed to have fuel in the cylinder outside of the combustion step, which is why introducing forced induction to a gas powered car should only be done by experts. fourth point is that i'd say leave turbo chargers to diesel engines, they benefit more and suffer none of the downsides, super chargers are better for gas engines since boost is more linear (and thus predictable) and gas engines tend to need the boost more at lower RPMs anyway.
Replace a turbo every 5-years?!?! I have several 20 year old Volvos on the original turbochargers. I'd bet you'll have to replace your Z06 Supercharger belt more often than I've replaced my Volvo turbos. Once manufacturers went water-cooled turbos their reliability increased exponentially.
So going by your video my Turbo is going to explode any second now despite it lasting at the verry least 250K km and the VW Mk5 Golf GTi was also twin charged
I have a buick regal with a eaton m90 on it. I freaking love it. That whine and power delivery is just magic especially from a +20 year old 4 door sedan
For you to say turbos are not reliable. You are still thinking old school. Where did you get this bs about replacing turbo every 5 years? Sound like some crap Scotty would say.
Responding to the turbochargers and gas mileage, my stock 335i which has twin turbos from the factory actually has really good gas mileage without me using any special effort. About 24-26 on my normal drive.
Centrifugal is not the best of both worlds, it is the worst of both worlds. It has the negative of a supercharger (parasitic losses) and not the positive (instant boost/low end torque) It has the negative of a turbo (no low end power) and not the positive of a turbo (it not using engine power to be driven). Also, a turbo is way more efficient than a centri, because the mere fact that the turbo creates boost means it also creates more exhaust gasses..... which then means more boost etc etc etc. The turbo doesn't rob power and in a way kinda powers itself (of course it doesn't really power itself, but you know what i mean).
Your channel helps me understand more about cars. I'm a car newbie so I need to learn a lot about cars. Its maybe because I'm a young child but I love to learn from your channel.
I have an Audi in europe where every car is turbocharged , with proper oil changes and a simple oil catch can and as you mentioned, proper driving for a turbo car, an average audi tdi, yes it’s a diesel, will archieve 500k miles easily, and a tfsi, that’s a gas engine , will easily overcome 150k miles. There is no unreliability in a turbocharger, when done right .
Here's the thing I love about your noob series, I don't consider myself a noob by any means, I'd say in terms of knowledge I'm an 8-10 and in skill 7-10, good enough to work on what I need to but nothing over the top. But I still learn at least one new thing in every vid
-When ford first marketed the ecoboost, they promised both power AND fuel-efficiency, and I laughed because even then I knew about the double-edged sword of turbochargers. Sure enough, people were complaining that their ecoboost actually got WORSE mileage than their old V8. Knowing how most people have shitty throttle control and constantly lay on the gas pedal, I was not shocked. The reason cars have electronic throttle nannies nowadays is because people suck at managing how they drive. -Turbo lag is best explained with a basic lesson in pneumatics. A turbo is kinda like an air compressor system: On the intake side, the pump (turbo compressor wheel) builds pressure in the tank (empty volume between turbo outlet and intake valves). On the exhaust side, the air hose (exhust from exhaust valves to turbo inlet) feeds pressurized air to power the air tool (turbo turbine) in engaging whatever action that tool does (power the compressor). Turbos are weird in that, they kinda power themselves, almost like a feedback loop. Exhaust powers the turbine, which spools the compressor, which builds intake pressure, which powers the engine and goes to the exhaust, which powers the turbine even more, and so on, and so on. That power increase is almost exponential, which is why there's a sudden noticeable surge of power, and turbo lag is the low end of that exponential curve where the turbo needs to make the power to get into that steeper part of the curve. Hybrid turbos like the ever-common t3/t4 try to remedy this dead-spot with a smaller turbine that takes less exhaust power to spool, another approach is the sequential turbos like you mentioned (first heard about these on Top Gear when they showcased the BMW that used it). -Isn't it funny that automakers market turbo cars as being more "eco-friendly" and "fuel-efficient", because in theory they could be, but pragmatically they aren't, so when most people buy them them they not only do worse for the environment, but they waste more money on gas AND put more lining in automakers' pockets. This is why we need more scientists, chemists, engineers, etc, and fewer professional activists, that way we have more people capable of solving problems and fewer people complaining about them. -Pretty straightforward, superchargers have instant boost but are tied to engine rpms so their power curve is linear and caps off a lot lower than turbos. For this reason, superchargers are best for applications like drag racing or short track racing (lots of corners), where the relative speed/distance is lower, as opposed to the standing mile or long tracks with straightaways, where a turbo is better suited. -To be fair to the Zenvo, Ferraris and Lamborghinis catch on fire all the time. A hot engine in close quarters with a carbon fiber chassis is walking the razor's edge.
or a Volkswagen with a twincharged engine (small economy cars used to have that, not sure if they still make them) or the Volvo with a twincharged hybrid setup
Yesterday I was talking with my friend that i will probably put turbos (Its just v6. But in my country 90% is 4banger. 10% something bigger than 2.5L). And BOOM, now you made a video about it. Good timing
I'm not really a car guy but I've been studying up on engines and boost recently literally just to help me build a monster of a car in the new need for speed lmao. Anyways, my point is this video helped a bunch. It was simple enough to understand and was funny! Subbedddd
I love the immediate power from my hemi, but miss the feeling of boost coming on from my ole grand national. I was younger then and raced a lot. I recall a mustang cobra taking a car and a half off the line then I heard the whistle and I blew by it. Buddy in the passenger seat was blown away. I thought he was killing you. Nah just turbo lag. It was a larger than stock turbo and a larger intercooler 42.5 injectors, so there was some lag. Could only launch at 3psi max and it was a at the moment race where I built no boost and started from idle. Wish I had video from those days. I miss my beast.
Supercharger: Bro you suck... Turbo: Man whine like a... N/A: Guys lets be normal. Twincharger: I'm on fire and not normal. Hybrids: Battery we are in this together ok. Electric: Guys shut up, I can't hear myself
Though one fact: turbochargers on diesels are completely different. On petrol engines the AFR is constant (with small tweaks from the ECU of course) while on diesels, the AFR is lean most of the time (assuming you don't keep the pedal glued to the floor) which means diesel is burned very well and efficiently. If you don't add a turbo on a diesel there would be very low power, but if to compensate you enriched the AFR, you would make it inefficient (main purpose of a diesel is efficiency), pollute more and wont get much more out of it, yet if you add a turbo, you could in fact make barely any boost and just try to get to a 29:1 AFR (full throttle) and that way, you would get a more efficient burn, as a result more power and also less pollution.
I only have anecdotes, but I personally don't understand the stigma of turbos being unreliable. The only supercharged car I've owned was a Pontiac Bonneville, and I did need to rebuild it when it began leaking out of the snout. I never needed to touch the 14b in my 1990 Plymouth Laser, and I did rebuild the 16g in my 1990 Eclipse GSX to stop an oil leak, but the car has over 300,000 miles. It still functioned perfectly fine while leaking, though, and it wasn't hard to rebuild. Just an easy little Saturday project. 🤷♂️
I'm from Denmark and I've seen the ST1 and the TSR S. The TSR S is actually on my instagram atm, they're actually not just the only supercar from Denmark, it's the only successful car brand from Denmark.
basically
turbo: brahh stustustustu
supercharger: eeeeee
both: POWAAAAAARRRRR
both is almost giving 300-400
Basically yes
"Both together WHAT IS THIS INCEST?"
it’s reeee not eeeee
@@wanganweeaboo we meet again ken
You forgot to mention that each racing sticker delivers 10 psi of boost. How could you make such a rookie mistake?
keeper of eurobeat? huh?
this meme is dead
Shhhhhh...we mustn't let the normies have access to our secrets.
1985 Toyota AE86 Sprinter Treuno Apex GT@ This is the end see you in heaven
@@J.PC.Designs oh you're that overpriced corolla from that show
When people think turbo is like nitro and is only temporary
I BLAME FUCKING NEED FOR SPEED AND EVERY HOLLYWOOD MOVIE EVER FOR THIS ONE!
@@BladedAngel Oh god mate calm down
@@illogicalgarage8641 I AM CALM
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@BladedAngel OH GOD HE'S GOING SUPER
@@BladedAngel I blame Midnight club...
You ever heard someone say they had a push button turbo?😂😂🤦🏿♂️
The Music Plug yes and they lost LoL 😂
I've met people who thought VTEC was a turbo.
Bladed Angel what about automatic turbos and supercharger? because I was hella mad when they told that to me like I don’t know anything about cars
I met somebody who said "What if I just mounted a big fan from a hovercraft in front of the car so it sucks in more air, like a Turbo but cooler" LMFAO and another one who just thought that by pressing the gas pedal you unleashed a spoled up gas operated spring to get the wheels to move. and that the pressure of the fuel flowing into the tank when filling up was respoling the spring LMAO
@@eliaslundstedt5607 what sort of friends do you have. Are they from planet Earth if not then welcome them and say that cars don't work like that
Supercharger noise still rules (V8's only though)
As for turbos, look at mad supras.
Big single turbo 2JZs - hell yeah
Turbo>Supercharger - TINY shit and the Supra
Supercharger>NA>Turbo REAL engines for REAL cars (the Supra can have a turbo because high rpm)
lol l Supercharged Nissan GTR R35 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@cckiller0053 YOU MONSTER
I prefer a NA doing 8000rpm+
Bladed Angel: you shouldnt get a car with a turbo if you dont know how to drive one
Also Bladed Angel: doesnt explain how to drive a car with a turbo
😂😂😂😂
iTheGeek It's not nice to call people dumbasses. Everyone makes mistakes but you do have a point. Those supercars or other with turbos give them an advantage in certain ways. Performance wise, yes.
@iTheGeek you're right this dude had a V8 car and now has a supercharged car that's why he's talking shit about turbocharged cars. Feels like that the cars he owns are better than any other car like he's a fucking car God or some sh!t
@@kennetharguetaavelar7788 Calm the fuck down.
kenneth argueta avelar chill out my guy. He’s making valid points. I have had a few turbo cars and you have to stay on maintenance as they get older.
Low RPMs and foot off the gas. Autos that come from factory with a turbo will have the transmission set up for optimal efficiency. Just don't floor it, Its that easy.
You forgot the best kind of induction: *VTEC* .
Speedy Spartan that’s not... that’s not..... that’s...... uhhgghggghh
Matthew K R/WHOOSH
Edit:whoooosh
Mike Russo r/itswooooshwith4ohs
Apples 056 r/legitimatelythankfulwillcorrectthattypo
VTEC has nothing to do with forced induction, rather it’s Honda’s VVT (variable valve timing) system
Next, a Non-Car Guy's Guide to Buying The Right Car haha
1. Not buying the prius
2. Not buying a riced used car
@@MidnightClubStillCancelledSoz 3. Buy a lada if you can
Patrick Mittel 4. Screw a Prius, buy a Lada
5. Get a yugo for EXTREME performance
I'm a non car people. But the layout of the video from this channel helps me understand what my buddy is doing with one of his cars.
Very nice that this exists. From a genuine human being to make a forever immortal lession to help people.
A great member of our world!
But bladed where's the miata
We found it 2 years ago, keep up
How's the miata
I'm glad you brought up the fuel economy issue. Ever since the Inception of the modern turbo setups I've been watching the estimated MPGs drop basically year by year. Of course all of that being said if I ever was to put boost to my Hemi I would have to step correct to the brand, that's right old school jet turbine car.
What he should have specified was that manufacturers have found turbocharging/downsizing to be effective in getting better EPA test results in the specific conditions the tests are run in
"meanwhile, superchargers already have such a hard time fitting under the hood since they lay on top of the engine..."
*Laughs in centrifugal supercharger*
I would love to see an "every electric car in four words" video. Keep up the great work!
"Boring except when burning."
There you go, literally all of them.
*eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*
Thats the sound every electric cars make
Isnt the volvo s60 twincharged?
Edit: Volvo also has a twincharged hybrid
Sevin Daugherty holy shit
My mom drives a twin charged Volvo it’s sick
wait, seriously?
S80 t6 is also another twin turbo Volvo
XC90 T8 is twincharged hybrid
I’ve been Turboed in my 06 Sentra SPECV for years now, extremely reliable for me and never had a problem! I’ve also daily this car to go to school, work and going out with friends/family! Plus it’s fun with that little more power
how’s it running now?
Teaching Non-car guys on a guide to force induction..well at least they know something about cars.
Lmao
Stop stalking me 😭
Aren't you that guy from blackpanthaa's channel?
roadman shaq yep
But, non car guys do not know that Midnight Club is still cancelled.
>Talks about twin charging
>Doesn't mention Lancia
It's very sad that ain't mentioned the Delta S4 .
Only that Supercar.😭
He mentioned the most relevant but not the most influential
I'm gonna twincharge my 1995 Honda Civic
all you need is that VTEC.
Goodbye rods!
🍚
Wonder how quick all those cheap interior plastics will melt🤔🤔 when the whole thing goes up in flames
Prepare to hear boom
The unreliability from turbos comes from the added mechanical parts and the increased oil consumption to lubricate them. Indeed, adding them together, it is natural to assume that this would decrease reliability - more moving parts = more points of failure, after all, right? Problem is, modern turbos, especially for Japanese cars, aren't the same as old turbos. They spool up much faster and nearly eliminate the turbo lag with either clever construction or additional gadget wizardry, and aren't reportedly *that* much more unreliable.
Also the advantage for superchargers in racing isn't quite as one-sided as you made it out to be. Obviously, coming out of corners, the driver would keep the engine revs rather high to exploit the high power coming out of turns, and this is the norm for any engine, whether N/A, turbo or supercharged. In fact, I'd wager that with good driving technique and gearing, turbo cars can just as easily smoke supercharged cars out of corners.
[constant edits while watching the video]
The Zenvo's problem was from both the fuel system and the cooling system causing a fire. While boosting can increase temperatures significantly, on its own it doesn't contribute to reliability - remember, an engine needs more than just a set of pistons to work properly, and any small problems can cascade into bigger problems.
I still enjoy your content, Bladed, but this one comes just a little bit biased. You're not wrong in explaining most of this stuff, just a bit exaggerated :P
A Tomato that’s a lotta writing to say that turbos are more maintenance. But who cares, there’s a Dodge Viper that makes 2,000 hp with TTs
tbh im not surprised sense he watches scotty...
@@THESLlCK i cant remember Who but someoen made a quad turbo old sedan
vulduv Scotty overreacts. A turbo makes your car incrementally more unreliable. It’s literally unnoticeable.
man, as a car normie who loved turbos for power n sound, i still fucking want them even tho they can be dangerous if you dont place em right or use the right parts
Bladed Angel: "let's talk about MPG!"
Me: *angry european noises*
I know right, he said his Mustang got 22 mpg but i have no idea if that is even good or not.
@@archygrey9093 twenty-two miles per gallon translates to about nine kilometers per liter.
Another normies Guide yes!!
*11 Year old me Buckle Up!*
You really like fiats huh?
@@dawgly4815 my favorite car is the 1999 Fiat Multipla
Well, just hope there will be some multiplas out there by the time you turn 16
@@dawgly4815 yeah
@Br0ken thanks. I keep Learning New stuff! Like why cars Oversteer. Not all cars are Reliable. How to drift FWD alot of stuff
I absolutely love the old school super charger look
WHERES THE MIATA!?
Idk why but when you talk about engines I think about the future and people start talking about batteries 😆
Duracell kicked in, yo
Luke Yeeterman haha
Clicked as soon as I got the notification. LOVE ME SENPAI
A Pimp Named Slickback Eats children ew
Ferraris are red
But can't win a Grand Prix
Doesn't matter though, so long as you hear that turbo _SWEEEEEEEE_
You just broke my heart!....... either way #FORZAFERRARI !!!
Nkosi McRae *F O R D W I L L A L W A Y S T R I U M P H
O V E R F E R R A R I*
CCKILLER 00 it did that once only tho....
Nkosi McRae dude no ferrari racecar has ever had a turbo
Mike Russo :( Hey didn't Ford disagree with Ferrari over a trade in with something that Ferrari wanted?
Turbo Lag is almost absent in newer engines
llSpeedDemonll It isn’t the engine. They’re just using a smaller turbo.
@@Slipknot2RIP 👍👍👍
@@BillPapakyriakou And the side effect to the lack of lag is having a very muffled sound. Just compare the F40 and the 488
@@Slipknot2RIP no because some engines have bigger turbos than others.. It's the technology put into new turbochargers that helps eliminate some of the problems that the older ones had by putting in much lighter and better components like compressor wheels, better and more efficient materials for the exducer to hold heat more efficiently and inducer to flow more cool air into the turbo to help it spool faster and easier, and stuff like that.. It's more than just big or small man... Besides, sometimes small turbos can be worse than bigger ones as they can choke the up top engine power because they run out of steam quicker than bigger ones which leave more room to be pushed further
I believe that better gas mileage is achieved by small turbocharged engines is because they behave and perform as a NA engines of same displacement as long as you are using your throttle gently and alter it's position slow (as you do at the constant speed on the highway).
VW Golf from the mid 2000's got a 1.4L with both turbo and super-charger
Great guide!
Just a little note - newer Volvos also use twincharging and it seems like they made it work without the engine blowing up, but I get that the Zenvo was probably pushing the boost a lot higher.
You're right about the ecoboost. I try to keep my foot out of mine, but the turbo noises are nice. Although, I will say that getting 28mpg is nice with the mods as well.
Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer
itsschwaney what
@@schwan2420 i drive a miata and im proud of it❤🖕
@@alexgratzaTV yeah, and you look gay. Its called "gay pride" for a reason, ya played yourself
Alex Mainz ll
itsschwaney don't be a dicc about it
>twin charging will most likely end up with your engine on fire
My mom's Golf TSI is still running after roughly 6 months of ownership, so idk
6 months
Give it lil time
and it gon be orange like that zenvo online
This was so helpful. i subscribed to your channel a few months ago and i guess ignored your channel but i found the hidden gem (you) since then ive been binge watching the crap out of your videos. Keep up the good videos for us noobie car enthusiasts 👏👏
My friend bought an ebay supercharger kit for his 2014 Honda Jazz. In the description they say it can manage up to 350 whp but we were only able to sqeeze out 289whp. Still in a car that small and light its fun as hell when we leave Amgs and one time a porshe boxter in the dust. According to an app on my phone one time we hit 258 kmph on a highway. It was scary but still fun. And its still reliable because HONDA.
I started to know Supercharger since NFS MW 2005. Firstly, I throught turbo were manually activated for temporary, but NFS Underground 2 taught me the turbo is used in conjunction with throttle and increase power as long as engine still running.
I would love to see a vid about how to drive a turbocharged car :D
For those who didnt get it let me make it simple. Imagine smoking a blunt. Done? Now imagine that the blunt you are smoking just turned into a leaf blower. Yep thats forced induction for you normies
That was brilliant
Imagine calling someone a normie unironically, kinda cringe.
Instructions unclear: Trachea was blocked and I passed out
@@markassbrownie looking back, i just realized how stupid i sounded
Wooooaaah!? I was watching your funnier vids just talking about goofy mods and how people drive but now I've stumbled upon a couple of extremely informative videos and you have taught me a whole lot more about my car than anyone I've ever met
05 Impala 3.8 V6 SC. 158,000 miles. Changed the supercharger oil every 50K. Still going strong. With a 3.6" supercharger pulley, 9 psi of boost is semi respectable. Excellent throttle response.
never saw a daily driver, which needed a new turbo every 5 years, i know a lot of turbo cars, which survive 20+ years
Yeah, that's just straight bullshit.
I've seen turbos go past 400000 km without any problems.
He was just doing a simplified example, most turbo engines last much longer than 5 years, but a larger non turbo engine built to the same standards will almost always last longer and be more reliable, that was his point.
Naturally aspirated definition : intake pressure = local atmospheric pressure
So in the deep sea you get more power out of your car cuz it has more atmospheric pressure
@@pedrocarros sort of. basically if your racing in a state like florida with a N/A car its gonna have more power than racing in a state like seattle since the air is too thin for the engine to make power. take pikes peak for ex. at the bottom you have more power, but as you continue to get higher altitudes you lose more power than before because the air isnt as dense up top
@@deandrej674 Ah, yes, the great state of Seattle. Wonderful place.
@@deandrej674 that never occurred to me, that during a single run there would be a noticeable power difference as you climb.. that's really cool
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One of the few Twin Charged mass produced vehicles was the VW Scirocco 1.4TSI (158BHP). Same 1.4l engine as the regular TSI found in many other VAG models but they added a magnetic supercharger to improve power at low RPMs and overall efficiency. VW decides to put-off the twin-charging model claiming it added $100 of extra cost per unit, and made a significant impact on the firm's financial situation.
I already know about forced induction but i just love watching your videos, and i even learned new things
same here, i just saw the new video and said "why not"
"I guide others to a treasure I can not possess."
I know good turbo charged engine that you can reach over 60 mpg and is reliable
1.9 TDi
The German boat anchor until you shift gear.
90HP 👌
If you tune it then ooooh weeee fuel efficiency
Gabrielius Kačinskas well the 2.5 liter can make 500 hp so who cares about mpg
3:41 that moment when the animation some person made for the toyota supra engine decades ago is the best animation of a twin turbo on the interweb
Talking about twincharging and not talking about the ludicrous Lancia S4.
Blasphemy.
1:59
Bladed: _Depending on the competence of the engineers who design them..._
In the distance: *YEEEEEEEEEEEE -*
Tom Lake Charles EEEEEEEET
LANE JOKE
Fuck no.
Legend says that engie is still Yeeee-ing
Halleluja, someone actually names the child by its name, there is no twin turbo or by turbo, only sequential and parallel configurations.
Also, a turbocharged engine are actually used for enviromental reason, namely reduction of CO2 emmissions by reducing fuel consumption at roughtly the same or higher power level than a natural aspiration engines. That's why diesel engines are turbocharged, they need lean mixtures, therefor a lot of airflow and they need high combustion chamber pressure for self ignition and a turbocharger gives you this with the advantage of lower starting torque needed for the starter motor.
Also, you forgot to mention compound turbochargers, often found on WW2 bomber aircraft or Semi trucks. It basically is a turbochager bolted to the crankshaft (the compressor as well as the turbine wheel), basically to regain the exhaust energy directly.
Non-Car Guy's Guide. Heavy emphasis on the word cars. I don't care about it's applications on aircraft or trucks, I'm not trying to make an hour long documentary. Superchargers are also found in a lot of aircraft as well, but I'm not trying to confused people who are likely already confused. This video was meant for people who don't know anything about them.
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I'm just adding things here. This shouldn't be some kind of rant, the video was a very good summary of the most crucial knowledge about fotced induction ;D.
I just though the compound tutbocharger could have been added as there are some crazy guys that actually build drag bikes and cars with this system even if it is a rather rare sight XD.
I have a friend that has a 25 year old turbo Focus. Hasn't failed. Ever.
What stood out for me: at 4:20 the image used is a South African wallet. Recognise that Makro and ZAR anywhere.
Same bro
For a more down to earth twincharger set up VW’s 1.4 tfsi engines are wildly available.
Nobody: Forza is all about the boost power.
Saab: yourself is just a newbie.
N/A: Nitrous is still boost.
a few points from someone who has been daily driving forced induction for several years:
first off the best application for a turbo charger is in cars that make loads of torque, but prefer to run at low RPM, this mitigates the lag, while broadening your power band significantly.
second point is that your statement about reliability is laughable. Diesel engines are designed to be reliable and last forever and ever since people discovered that turbocharging a Diesel engine has literally no practical downside, they have been making turbochargers that can match the reliability of a diesel engine.
third point is that forced induction increases risk of engine knock in engines that are designed to have fuel in the cylinder outside of the combustion step, which is why introducing forced induction to a gas powered car should only be done by experts.
fourth point is that i'd say leave turbo chargers to diesel engines, they benefit more and suffer none of the downsides, super chargers are better for gas engines since boost is more linear (and thus predictable) and gas engines tend to need the boost more at lower RPMs anyway.
Replace a turbo every 5-years?!?!
I have several 20 year old Volvos on the original turbochargers.
I'd bet you'll have to replace your Z06 Supercharger belt more often than I've replaced my Volvo turbos.
Once manufacturers went water-cooled turbos their reliability increased exponentially.
So going by your video my Turbo is going to explode any second now despite it lasting at the verry least 250K km
and the VW Mk5 Golf GTi was also twin charged
Thx for thaeching me the difrence,I’m kind of new to cars,andddd there aren’t many vids bout this subject
I have a buick regal with a eaton m90 on it. I freaking love it. That whine and power delivery is just magic especially from a +20 year old 4 door sedan
Clean, precise and accurate, you should really think about teaching this subjects because its obvious the passion you put into this topic. :)
0:56 except in Australia where a turbo golf is considered a performance vehicle.
In malaysia also... Haha
For you to say turbos are not reliable. You are still thinking old school. Where did you get this bs about replacing turbo every 5 years? Sound like some crap Scotty would say.
Responding to the turbochargers and gas mileage, my stock 335i which has twin turbos from the factory actually has really good gas mileage without me using any special effort. About 24-26 on my normal drive.
I love my little lsj. But yeah. Turbo swapping them really wakes the engine up. I just can't give up that whine and instant power.
The VW Golf Mk5 GT was also twincharged with a 1.4L inline-4 and 160hp
holy shit that is like as much hp as a corolla!
@@alvinchan7746 german average cars dont have much hp, but atleast most of them are manual
Don't forget the Japanese, with the Nissan March Superturbo.
@@alvinchan7746 160 is much more than necessary in Japan. Just look at the 55hp NA family K-cars, perhaps even MPVs.
That's fairly low horsepower for 1.4L, even twincharged. 1L bikes already make above 200hp.
Me: Hears about twin chargers.
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Centrifugal is not the best of both worlds, it is the worst of both worlds.
It has the negative of a supercharger (parasitic losses) and not the positive (instant boost/low end torque)
It has the negative of a turbo (no low end power) and not the positive of a turbo (it not using engine power to be driven).
Also, a turbo is way more efficient than a centri, because the mere fact that the turbo creates boost means it also creates more exhaust gasses..... which then means more boost etc etc etc.
The turbo doesn't rob power and in a way kinda powers itself (of course it doesn't really power itself, but you know what i mean).
So should I put a turbo/supercharger on my stock volvo 745 or not 😂
Blade Angel: The first twin charge car is Zenvo ST1 from Dendmark.
Lancia Delta S4: Am i a joke to you?
It's 100% Blasphemy .he ain't mentioned the Delta S4.😥
Would love a video on how to maximize power out of an N/A engine!
Your channel helps me understand more about cars. I'm a car newbie so I need to learn a lot about cars. Its maybe because I'm a young child but I love to learn from your channel.
So i can make prius drivers stop being triggered at me if i twincharge my car and say it's a "hybrid"?
Tell them u got 2 electric motors, they probably can't even know the difference
show them the engine and say its a battery
I’m trying to get into the car hobby and these videos are so helpful, Thankyou bladed
roasting scotty kilmer like that made me laugh so hard I wanted to subscribe to you again despite I already subscribed to you xD
I have an Audi in europe where every car is turbocharged , with proper oil changes and a simple oil catch can and as you mentioned, proper driving for a turbo car, an average audi tdi, yes it’s a diesel, will archieve 500k miles easily, and a tfsi, that’s a gas engine , will easily overcome 150k miles. There is no unreliability in a turbocharger, when done right .
You forgot the house fans in the engine bay for big boost
This was awesome!!!!!!
I love ur channel!!!!!!
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Here's the thing I love about your noob series, I don't consider myself a noob by any means, I'd say in terms of knowledge I'm an 8-10 and in skill 7-10, good enough to work on what I need to but nothing over the top. But I still learn at least one new thing in every vid
-When ford first marketed the ecoboost, they promised both power AND fuel-efficiency, and I laughed because even then I knew about the double-edged sword of turbochargers. Sure enough, people were complaining that their ecoboost actually got WORSE mileage than their old V8. Knowing how most people have shitty throttle control and constantly lay on the gas pedal, I was not shocked. The reason cars have electronic throttle nannies nowadays is because people suck at managing how they drive.
-Turbo lag is best explained with a basic lesson in pneumatics. A turbo is kinda like an air compressor system: On the intake side, the pump (turbo compressor wheel) builds pressure in the tank (empty volume between turbo outlet and intake valves). On the exhaust side, the air hose (exhust from exhaust valves to turbo inlet) feeds pressurized air to power the air tool (turbo turbine) in engaging whatever action that tool does (power the compressor). Turbos are weird in that, they kinda power themselves, almost like a feedback loop. Exhaust powers the turbine, which spools the compressor, which builds intake pressure, which powers the engine and goes to the exhaust, which powers the turbine even more, and so on, and so on. That power increase is almost exponential, which is why there's a sudden noticeable surge of power, and turbo lag is the low end of that exponential curve where the turbo needs to make the power to get into that steeper part of the curve. Hybrid turbos like the ever-common t3/t4 try to remedy this dead-spot with a smaller turbine that takes less exhaust power to spool, another approach is the sequential turbos like you mentioned (first heard about these on Top Gear when they showcased the BMW that used it).
-Isn't it funny that automakers market turbo cars as being more "eco-friendly" and "fuel-efficient", because in theory they could be, but pragmatically they aren't, so when most people buy them them they not only do worse for the environment, but they waste more money on gas AND put more lining in automakers' pockets. This is why we need more scientists, chemists, engineers, etc, and fewer professional activists, that way we have more people capable of solving problems and fewer people complaining about them.
-Pretty straightforward, superchargers have instant boost but are tied to engine rpms so their power curve is linear and caps off a lot lower than turbos. For this reason, superchargers are best for applications like drag racing or short track racing (lots of corners), where the relative speed/distance is lower, as opposed to the standing mile or long tracks with straightaways, where a turbo is better suited.
-To be fair to the Zenvo, Ferraris and Lamborghinis catch on fire all the time. A hot engine in close quarters with a carbon fiber chassis is walking the razor's edge.
The Scirocco has a twincharger engine, but y'know, VAG
Yea but it didn't come to the usa the third generation vw scirocco , he might not know this car .
@@johnkitsi VW never bring Scirocco to Brazil, this is sad
Yes, the 1.4TSI was one of the most unreliable VAG motors ever, with both superchargers and chain tensioners blowing up early.
The Current Zenvo is twin Supercharger, you should have shown a Lancia Delta S4.
or a Volkswagen with a twincharged engine (small economy cars used to have that, not sure if they still make them) or the Volvo with a twincharged hybrid setup
How can we forget one of the coolest twin charge car made: The Super Turbo!
Yesterday I was talking with my friend that i will probably put turbos (Its just v6. But in my country 90% is 4banger. 10% something bigger than 2.5L). And BOOM, now you made a video about it. Good timing
I studied this, as I'm studying aeronautics, and, really, you cannot make a naturally aspirated engine if you plan to put it on an aircraft
*spitfire wants to know your location*
The original turbos where in aircraft to counter the thinner air at high altitude. This would let you keep the power that you had at low altitude.
@@martinhubinette2254 Exactly
I'm gonna supercharge my Suzuki WagonR now
The japanese got those turbocharged from the factory.
@@Quintinohthree But my 2006 model isn't
@@Quintinohthree Not all of them, base models aren't common to have forced induction
@@govinlock8568 Does it fit though?
I'm not really a car guy but I've been studying up on engines and boost recently literally just to help me build a monster of a car in the new need for speed lmao.
Anyways, my point is this video helped a bunch. It was simple enough to understand and was funny! Subbedddd
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Random person: what twincharging results in??
Me: Nissan march superturbo
Fun fact: the mad lads at zenvo released a 1200 horsepower, twin supercharged car with the most insane rear wing ever known as the zenvo TSR-S
The Volvo T8 has both a Turbo and a positive displacement supercharged and a electric motor for lower speeds
Woah
I love the immediate power from my hemi, but miss the feeling of boost coming on from my ole grand national. I was younger then and raced a lot. I recall a mustang cobra taking a car and a half off the line then I heard the whistle and I blew by it. Buddy in the passenger seat was blown away. I thought he was killing you. Nah just turbo lag. It was a larger than stock turbo and a larger intercooler 42.5 injectors, so there was some lag. Could only launch at 3psi max and it was a at the moment race where I built no boost and started from idle. Wish I had video from those days. I miss my beast.
4:17 the homie slapped my country's currency 🇿🇦🇿🇦😹🙌🏾🔥😹
Supercharger: Bro you suck...
Turbo: Man whine like a...
N/A: Guys lets be normal.
Twincharger: I'm on fire and not normal.
Hybrids: Battery we are in this together ok.
Electric: Guys shut up, I can't hear myself
Though one fact: turbochargers on diesels are completely different. On petrol engines the AFR is constant (with small tweaks from the ECU of course) while on diesels, the AFR is lean most of the time (assuming you don't keep the pedal glued to the floor) which means diesel is burned very well and efficiently. If you don't add a turbo on a diesel there would be very low power, but if to compensate you enriched the AFR, you would make it inefficient (main purpose of a diesel is efficiency), pollute more and wont get much more out of it, yet if you add a turbo, you could in fact make barely any boost and just try to get to a 29:1 AFR (full throttle) and that way, you would get a more efficient burn, as a result more power and also less pollution.
Bladed angel: Replace turbo every 5 years. Me running my 1984 semi truck turbo in my 1992 volvo 740
I only have anecdotes, but I personally don't understand the stigma of turbos being unreliable. The only supercharged car I've owned was a Pontiac Bonneville, and I did need to rebuild it when it began leaking out of the snout. I never needed to touch the 14b in my 1990 Plymouth Laser, and I did rebuild the 16g in my 1990 Eclipse GSX to stop an oil leak, but the car has over 300,000 miles. It still functioned perfectly fine while leaking, though, and it wasn't hard to rebuild. Just an easy little Saturday project. 🤷♂️
I'm from Denmark and I've seen the ST1 and the TSR S. The TSR S is actually on my instagram atm, they're actually not just the only supercar from Denmark, it's the only successful car brand from Denmark.
I love that sound of a Supercharged SR20.