Jews weren't expelled entirely by the Romans. Jews still maintained a huge presence and majority until at least the 700s when the Ummmayad empire took control of Israel.
My best offer to you regarding Zionism, Jews, and the Palestinians. You should start with the Palestinians' treaty regarding the State of Israel. This will shock you!!
The Arab is also political everything is political Muslim brother hotel a far right political movements they hate everybody how is not Muslim they want to bring back the caliphate and sharia .
id say it was very nice! but i also critisize your opinions about the current conflict.. like.. get educated about the topic.. im not saying whatever is happening is ok or alright but you should really reconsider your standings on it especially as jews... thats it. much love
It’s hard to notice antisemitism on campus if you are not Jewish because it’s not targeted towards you. As a Jewish student I have so many stories, the situation is very bad.
What about us jews descendent from refugees from MENA countries... My grandparents were Iraqi jews... a 2500 year old jewish community that no longer exists... Had to leave with nothing...Some of us didn't have a choice.
Yeah, because mossad did multiple 💣 in Iraq to make the local Jewish population believe they weren't welcome and flee to Israel. The Iraqi government didn't want them to go.
You may find that Mossad had a fair bit to do with driving Jews from surrounding Arab countries. Demographic domination has always been the aim of Zionists....the early Zionist knew that, and did all they could to fill the Palestinian lands with Jews ...
@@adiz8472 Then you move to a country based upon equality, freedom of religious expression, democracy and liberty. You do not expel the people in habitation and create an ethno-theocracy which discriminates against all except the 'chosen'. Or you remain and fight the righteous fight for your rights to remain in a territory which has been your ancestral home for 2500 years. Nothing about your past or aspirations gives you the right to expel and subjugate the Palestinians. Nothing.
No Zevi, the British in the 1930s under the Peel Commission offered the Arabs a country on over the 80% of the land with only a small sliver for the Jews. The Jews accepted the plan and the Arabs said no. The 1947 Partition Plan came later and was presented by the UN and not British "colonialists". The British abstained from that vote and had already been siding with the Arabs since the 1930s. But the Arabs had already rejected the Peel Commission compromise in which they would ha gotten most of the land. The entire history of Jews and Palestinians has been one of Palestinian rejectionism because they do not want the existence of a Jewish state.
The Peel Commission was still giving away land which was predominantly inhabited by Arabs. Is it so strange that a people living their life should surrender 20 percent of their land to people who lived on other continents?? There is a self-serving delusion here that a people would hand over 20 percent of their land mass to people from a separate continent. Why do you present this bizarre third party theft of land as an attractive proposition for the people living and farming these lands? Only to serve your own entitled view.....
@@izzykhach . So you are suggesting that a country should accept 20 percent of their most fertile, coastal land being stripped away to be given to colonists from primarily Europe who would use this as a launching pad to seize more? Ridiculous and self-serving argument to suggest that this was a 'fair deal'. It was, and is, an imposition upon the inhabitants of the land. It was said by a senior Zionist at the time that they could accept a parcel of land the size of a tablecloth, because it would be the point from where they would seize the rest of Palestine.
Such a beautiful and uplifting conversation, always a bit discouraging to see what some people (bots?) in the comments have to say and the likes that said comments get. With that aside I really appreciate you guys posting this, put a massive smile on my face!
As an Israeli I was deeply disappionted by the ignorance, I axpected more knowlege from jewish people. Modern zionism is a secular movement, all it is is the right for jewish people to have a land in their ancestors land. Almost half of the people of Israel are left wing liberals who wants the 2 state solution, and don't hate Palestinians, all we want from them is to recognize the exsistance of Israel and stop using terror and wars to kick us out, we have no where else to go!!, I am 3rd ganoration in Jerusalem, my grandparents had to leave Iraq because they were persecuted, finally we have a home where we feel safe and not at mercy of others, yet people are trying to ruin the legitamacy of Israel by spreding lies about what zionism is. It is not colonialism, ethnic clensing and all of that, it is our right to continue to live in the land along side the Palestinians who allways refues to accept our long connection to the land too.
According to polls only 26 percent believe in two states, and it will only go down as the two sides become more extreme. You are openly lying. The fact it is a secular movement proves that it didn't originally had to do anything with creating a jewish state but to be a European colony for Ashkenazi jews alienated from their identity. It's not the fault of Jews but mainly of the british that created the conditions for it.
Zionism is an umbrella term for all Jewish nationalist ideologies centered around the land of Israel, it is neither secular nor religious it has secular or religious branches.
While the other half of israelis are genocidal maniacs that want a greater israel and are ok with stealing more land for their colonial project. You are all guilty.
You need to stop drawing equivalence between Israel protesters trying to get their brothers back and Palestine protesters encouraging intifada. It's very disingenuous and you need to tell these guys straight
You need to fight against your biases. What is infitada and how has it been employed? Infitada means to rebel or resist and it has not always been violent. Do you deny a people’s right to rebel against their oppressor?
@@halimj7"ji ha d might also be trying to go on a diet, struggle against obesity" .... The intifada was hyper violent. Lets not play the taqqyia game.
@@halimj7 so far I haven't seen a non violent intifada out of the Palestinians, so excuse me if I'm skeptical of your claim. You should examine your biases that infidels are stupid idiots who you can play word games with.
@@halimj7Make sure you're working to fight against your biases as well. Make sure you try seeing things from the opposite side's perspective and not be a hypocrite.
I think he is just trying not to offend anyone which itself is wrong. im Christian but ima Zionist. all Christians should be. you guys may not like us but we LOVE you. as commanded in the scripture. we literally worship a jew so any christian who hates jews is committing sin against our Messiah.
@@chrisvibz4753 You can love Jews Chris. But as a Christian you should be calling out the genocide of Palestinians which Israel has been undertaking for over 80 years.
@@chrisvibz4753 The average Jew has no problem with Christians, the opposite, we are living in times where we need to side with each other against radicals from Islam.
@@zkatom3773 i love jews and as the bible tells me i will defend you bc im supposed to love wnd respect jews. whcih every christian should considering Jesus Christ of Nazareth was a jew aswell. we need to team up bc any good christian who had read the bible knows we must peotect israel
The first guy doesn't know what Zionism is. Zion is another word for Jerusalem/Israel, When the Roman empire conquered Israel, and expelled most of the Jews from there homeland, the longing for home was expressed by going back to Zion. Zionism means that Jews have a right to live in Israel it's there homeland, and there's archeology to prove it. It doesn't mean that Jews won't let others live in Israel. It never meant that. And Zionism was before the British empire.
Even the Quran has a copy pasted verses that God gave the land to the Israelites Btw Arabs have technically no religious claim to the land Al auqsa in Jerusalem was built after Mohammed died and that's one of the reasons Jerusalem isn't mentioned a single time in the Quran Btw someone who actually followes Islamic scholars and their scripture would understand that even the definition of Al aqusa (silver dome ) is actually in suadia Arabia
You claimed that Israelis don't see gazans as humans but you forget to mention that Israel are the ones that contribute food, fuel and so on to Gazans while still fighting terrorists. There are a bunch of videos showing supply trucks moving from Israel to Gaza to supply the Gazans with food and fuel.
There's a difference between the actions of the government and the views of the people. This is a sentence usually said to defend against antisemitic generalization, but I think it's relevant the other way around too. The government could be doing everything for Gazans but the people under said government could still view them as inferior or inherently dangerous. It's an unfortunate side-effect of living under constant hostility, many people in Israel only know of Gaza as "that place where rockets and terrorists come from", so they're not able to conceptualize that there are people just like them living there.
Are you all open to a discussion on the definition of Zionism? I get that there’s a personal experience/relationship to Zionism, but I think you missed the mark on how Zionism is represented. Love what you all do and have learned so much from you. Would love the opportunity to discuss this further with you both, achim.
You would hopefully agree that it sounds silly when someone says “I’m an egalitarian. I’m not a feminist because I don’t believe in female supremacy.” It’s silly because that isn’t what feminism is. It’s the belief in equality for people of any gender. We know this because feminist organizations consistently define feminism as such. It’s true that misogynists often “define” feminism as female supremacy, but that’s simply incorrect, and it’s not them who defines feminism. It’s true that anti-Zionists often “define” zionism as an ideology of racial supremacy and violence for an imperial settler colonial theocratic ethnostate (or some combination of those words). But that’s simply incorrect, and it’s not them who defines zionism. You’ll see zionist organizations consistently define zionism as the Jewish right to self-determination in the Jewish ancestral homeland. It’s the recognition of indigenous rights. That is the consistent definition, no matter what anti-zionists (or misogynists) say. Propaganda thrives of loose definitions, so do not overlook this or brush this aside. My values are pro-indigenous and anti-imperial. I can’t be against indigenous self-determination or support a pan-Arab middle east that reestablishes the caliphate as that directly contradicts my central values. Sincerely, someone who used to say “I’m anti-zionist because I don’t support displacement” because I assumed an incorrect definition of zionism. My values haven’t changed, I’m still against displacement, violence, and imperialism. I know a shitload more history than I did back then. And it turns out I was never actually anti-zionist, since I always believed that all people (especially indigenous people) have the right to self-determination. Yes, including Jews. 💛
As a Jew who was born and lives in the south of Israel, especially after the seventh of October, it is a bit difficult for me to agree with you... After thousands of people breach the wall and kill 1500 Jews for fun and send recordings to their mothers in Gaza happy, And when in the streets of Gaza sweets are handed out for the terrible murder, then yes I am in favor of eliminating Hamas. We (Israel) left the Gaza Strip in 2005 to allow the Gazans to build a better life for themselves, despite the separation we continued to transfer hundreds of millions of dollars and give tens of thousands of jobs to the Gazans so that they could live a better life What many people in the world don't understand is that with all the money going to construction and reconstruction, Gaza would have been more successful than Israel, but the money went to the terrorist people who built tunnels wherever possible, under schools, mosques, hospitals and more And all this just so that when the moment comes they will attack (as happened on October 7) So Israel will have no choice and they will have to bomb these places to eliminate terrorism, I agreed with how you described the idea of Judaism but to say that nowadays people use it to kill people is not true, we in Israel want peace and that's why we left in 2005 but who are murdering 1500 residents We have to fight back, we don't want to hurt civilians but it's not us who are hurting, today we hear a lot in the media about Israel killing innocents But we are not the ones who built the tunnels in public places in the first place and who bridge rockets from public places So what do you expect from us not to react and see our children die who throw a one year old into the oven or shoot the mother in the head and force the child to watch before murdering him as well We are trying to reduce casualties as much as possible compared to Hamas which prevents its people from going to the safe places Over the years Israel gave the option 5 times to establish a Palestinian state and each time they said no because they do not believe that Israel deserves a state. What is happening today in Gaza is both Zionism and Judaism. We want to give our child a place to call home but it is not possible if you are murdered so we come to kill the terrorists but that too cannot be done because they are hiding inside a civilian community so during the last 20 years we stopped every time they fired rockets because we did not want to harm civilians But that it comes to the murder of 1500 Jews is no longer possible You talk about a ceasefire but you can't make a break as long as Hamas exists because then maybe not now but in 20 years everything will repeat itself again And we are not ready for that.
Why don't universities in the West teach their students about Arab-Islamic Colonialism? * Bloody conquests and wars were waged * Hostages were taken as slaves * Sharia law was imposed on non-Muslims * Arabic was enforced Most Muslim schools teach all this with pride. (Luai Ahmed)
That was when? During the dark ages of extermination and conquest? This is your elementary school reasoning for indulging in extermination and conquest in the 21st century? My heart bleeds for the Arabs who were so unfortunate to exist on the land gifted to the Zionists.
What kind of BS talk is this? Have you been to universities or schools that are Arabic or Islamic? Of course not, due to the false remarks you say! I have never ever been taught about sharia law, never been taught that Jews are bad! Man educate yourself, Muslim and Arabic schools never teach this! Have you looked at the Quran before? Of course not, the Quran never ever mentioned killing Jews or hating Jews or anything about violence for Jews! The Quran even allows Muslims marriage to Christians and Jews because they are people of the book Muslim Christian and Jewish. Dude educate yourself!
@@1-10-1-4 It looks to me like yet another expression of racism. Dehumanising Palestinians, diminishing their history and humanity is buried within the psyche of the Zionist Jew. There needs be no sympathy, no allowance, no justice offered to a society viewed as below that of the Jewish society.
This was beautiful and helpful. I feel more hopeful and capable of engaging honestly and compassionately having watched this. Thank you, more of this! 👁️🙏❤️
This is so important. Thank you guys 🙏💕 I agree somewhat that the opinions were a little vague and underformed, but so are most peoples! And that shouldnt exclude them from peaceful discussion.. That said, I would *adore* seeing a discussion with this level of humanity, but on more specific issues and disagreements (perhaps between a Palestinian and Israeli scholar/historian?)
Facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don’t like: 👇 *1.* Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam. *2.* Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1964, almost two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948. *3.* After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years. *4.* The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years. *5.* For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it. *6.* Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an. *7.* King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it. *8.* Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem. *9.* In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier. *10.* Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms. *11.* Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries. *12.* In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA. *13.* There are 58 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state. *14.* Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms. *15.* During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths. *16.* Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel. *17.* The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall. *18.* Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
Zionism: The Rebirth of a Nation A continuous Jewish presence in Israel for over 3,000 years. 1. Zion is an age-old name for Jerusalem and the land of Israel. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people who sought to restore their freedom and independence in their ancestral homeland. 2. Theodore Herzl founded morden Zionist movement in 1897, but the dream of restoration and return had always been at the core of Judaism and Jewish identity. Roma tried to obliterate the millenna-old Jewish state in the first century. But unlike other nations conquered in ancient times, the Jews survived and never lost their profound attachment to their land of origin. Jews lived in the land of Israel continuously for 3,000 years. Those forced into exile expressed their yearning to return in their daily liturgy and prayers. For 2,000 years, many came back in periodic waves of immigration. By the late 1860s. Jews once again were the mijority in Jerusalem. 3. Zionists adapted this historic dream to modern political ideals and circumstances. They were inspired by national liberation movements and driven by ongoing anti-Jewish persecution and discrimination that occurred even in progressive Europe. The Zionists believed that if tge scatted Jews reunited in their historic homeland, joining the Jews who were already there, they could restore their freedom, be free prejudice and further develop their unique culture. 4. Disagreements arose among Zionists as Jews from different countries and with different ideologies - religious and scular, socialist and conservative - joined toghter. But they united around fundamental principles that combined idealism and practicality. They would seek official support from other national govermments. They wwould return legally, purchase the land and restore it through their own labor. Zionists envisioned living in friendship with non-Jewish residents and believed the entire region would benefit from their restoration of the land. 5. Within 50 years, the Zionist dream became a reality. Britain recognized the thrivibg communities Jews had built and in the 1917 Balfour Declaration, endorsed the "Zionist aspirations". In 1920, the League of Nations reinforced this commitment and carved out the Palestine Mandate from the defeated Ottoman Empire for the Jewish homeland. 6. On May 14, 1948, Israel was reestablushed as a modern state and recognized by the community of nations. It lived up to the Zionist dream. Israel began with a Jewish majority that had purchased and settled the land and accorded full civil, political and cultural rights to all its minorities, including Arabs, Muslims and Christians. Today Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists arpund the world support the State of Israel and hope to see the full Zionist vision realized - a safe and thriving Israel living at peace with it neighbors. 🇮🇱💙
Promotion of civility, common humanity, and understanding is very heartwarming. A very mature approach to public discourse. Thank you for being a light of hope Mr Zevi 🪔
his from Haiti,and Israel was from the first that came and helped when they had there tragedy. I read all the time about people from Haiti supporting Israel because they remember what Israel did for them. and we from Israel will not forget your gratitude. Love to Haiti from Israel
Sooo beautiful and respectful, intelligent exchange of ideas... Let's hope Israelis and Palestinians can sit together, just like you guys, and try to understand each other. Shalom from Israel❤.
@@SaletePires-c9vthe Palestinians who don't even know who was the 1st Prime Minister of the Palestinian state 75yrs ago. Because there never was a Palestinian state. It is all the Muslims using their Taqiyya on the ignorant.
Conversations like these, and others always seem to forget the fact that Palestinians have been offered their own state multiple times. Israel agreed to each and it was 'brokered' through other countries as well. The Palestinians turned down the offers each and every time. Also, 1948-67, there was a three state solution (Jordan/Egypt/Israel) until Israel had to defend in 1967. Then gaza / WB were ceded to Israel. You *need* to understand the history. The Palestinian 'statehood' movement began in 1964, by an egyptian, 16 years after Israel was re-constituted.
There was literally zero offers 😂 you wouldn't be able to bring up the documents of those offers because it never existed. And Palestinians have no reason to share land with invaders, that's insane. That's their indigenous land where they have been living there for thousands of years, way before the biblical times. They are the descendants of Canaanites and Israelites that never left while you are the descendant of the Edomites and Judeans that God cursed.
And their initial 1964 statehood document explicitly ceded Gaza to their Arab Egyptian brothers, and the West Bank to their Jordanian Arab brothers. The PLO was only focused on conquering and destroying Israel, after which its independence was not so important, as long as all the land was in the hands of Arabs.
@@ngreenwald89do you think that if the PLO accepted the plans to leave 70% of the land to Jewish colonizers and refugees while their own share of the land was being torn apart and governed by other neighboring countries, they would now be considered "independent"?
The Palestinians sought independence from britain. I don't care about the specifics of which formal movement started when, by whom, or what their leaders' nationalities were, because nationality doesn't equal ethnicity. The fact remains: people under the British Mandate of Palestine [decades before israel existed] demanded self-agency, autonomy, their LAND back and the departure of their white colonizers. To think otherwise [that is that people were happy or nonchalant under occupation and that the british colonizers were peace doves agreeing to give anyone their land as is without consequences] is foolish and naive. Britain partitioned their land as they did with India and Pakistan, and France with Lebanon, strategically believing the issue would resolve itself. And the palestinians didn't want to compromise. The same way u wouldn't if u were in their place. The same way probably dont want israelis to compromise anything right now.. And let me be clear, I am jewish. I believe Jewish refugees back then deserved homes and dignified treatment. However, the way "Zionism" came to be is evil and corrupt.. I myself, don't disageee with zionism in itself as a concept. But the way it carried out is colonization and a continuation of an imperialist history, under disguise, now taking advantage of european guilt and jewish trauma and the rising movement of pan-Arabism. it was Strategy... and we got fed that propaganda and we repeat it over and over. But Israel didn't shy away from being an aspiring colonizing power when it was in fashion, think at the time, Australia, canada, etc.. colonies, europe x africa .. great colonial powerrs x poor colonized countries.. so this narrative that the way it carried out isn't colonization and mass displacement is relatively new. And is also a PR strategy. AND even if.. YES !! A nation has the right to self-defense, BUT Israel's actions in 1964 were not defensive. The Suez Crisis and the titular aggression on Egypt are well-documented . Britain and France used Israel as a tool for their imperial ambitions. and Israeli forces, backed by the USA, UK, and France, occupied the remaining parts of Palestine, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria. Some of these territories remain occupied today [golan heights in syria, why the heck does israel has a piece of syria til now???? come on]. This is not "defense", just as the killing of thousands of innocent people happening right now is not. The issue lies in how the complicit parties frame and rewrite history. Without social media, whats happening right now could have been passed to the next generation as another case of Israeli "defense." [google, please, and read, and have an open mind, and address the way we are biased to believe cerain things :)]
@@okayguy951 ur right they were massacres before Israel even existed like the Hebron massacre of 1929 where 67 Jews were murdered by local Arabs. before Israel existed. and who cares if it didn't start on October 7th? it's the most recent most gruesome massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. maybe dont get your info from memes on tik Tok.
That guy said he doesn't believe the US or Israel should exist, fine. Did he ever protest against the existence of the US? I doubt it. He has some anti semitic leanings whether he would like to admit it or not.
Also, what does he mean by "not exist"? Is he just saying that the political entity/rulership should change? Because to me it sounds at first like he's saying everyone apart from indigenous people should leave, but that would be a crazy position to take.
Interesting. You men are so young and hopeful. I'm 53 and stone cynical. I hear quite a lot of fameworking here, yet your core goal is sound. I'm encouraged by the conversation. And if I, as a representative of the monolith of establishment set thinking, can be moved by a little unity, perhaps a lot of Unity could move a lot more of the Establishment towards where it should be. YOU blokes need to form an ecumenical forum so more Union can be realised. Step forward with care. Teach, don't preach. Your world now.
First channel on RUclips that I find with people and jewish sharing their points of views (as used to happen years ago in Istanbul -first capital of technology in the world- during the Asambleas where people from all around the know world back then got together to share their knowledge and perspectives and ideas with the only condition of doing it in elegant arabic) and open to transparent dialogue accepting their biases and responsibilities. Thank you for this different horizon.
Israel is not just a homeland, but a holy land for the Jews. It is their biblical homeland. The Arabs would never allow any other people to inhabit, let alone rule the area that Mecca is in.
Israel is not the homeland of Jews lol the biblical Israel has nothing to do with the state of Israel of today 😂 in fact Jew in the biblical times meant those from Judea, there was a big difference between Israelites and Judeans. Seems like you need to learn your own history. The Children of God are now Christians because we accepted his Son as our savior.
@@carlosm.3426 Those that curse Israel shall be cursed, and those that bless Israel shall be blessed. True born again Christians who know their bible will know that the God of Israel calls for Gentile believers to pray for him to fulfil his promises to his Covenant people the remnant of Israel (Romans 11, Jeremiah 31:7, Isiah 40:1). Now is the time that God is going to arise and show mercy upon Zion for the set time is come (Psalm 102:13). If you believe that God will break his covenant that he made with Abraham! to give him and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob the land of Israel as a possession forever then you do not understand the faithfulness of God. Israel is God's firstborn son. Jesus Christ is Jewish and he will reign over the house of Jacob from Jerusalem forever. Jesus says to the woman at the well in Samaria that 'salvation is of the Jews.' What this means is that without the Jewish people there would be no patriarchs, no prophets, no bible and no Saviour. Through the unbelief of the Jews, mercy was shown to the Gentile nations and God requires Gentile believers to now show mercy on his chosen heritage Israel.
Note sure I understand when you say Jewish and Palestinians could live together isn't proper Israel 20% population of Palestinians with equal rights? so they actually live together in a democratic country right?.
I'm watching this conversation right now, and what a good and respectful dialog they are having, hopefully they do more conversations on various topics in the future. One question that comes to mind that I would be interested to know is what they know about Muslims and Islam. one simple task that the world needs to do is learn about their neighbors and then we will be closer to having love and respect for all and hatred for none. That is truly the essence of life. :)
Politicians feed on conflict. People feed on politicians. The media feed both. The problem is misinformation. The real problem, though, is human idiocy. Put simply, human idiocy is nationalism. With nationalism comes borders, physical and perceptual, and these two lead to prejudice and discrimination, which in turn feed politicians who feed the media which feeds people who start to think that they are right, and start to hate.
1:58 stop saying colonization movement! The only colonization in history are western empires! Jews did have any support from no country when the very few of them started moving to Palestine in 1888!
..And Muslim Empires that colonized people on three continents, and the Japanese in the formation of the totality of the country, and hey how did China get so big, etc..?
I appreciate the effort in the discussion but you were sugar coating way too much. Tell these guys why they are idiots for protesting with the hamas sympathizers
Leftis usually cut people into groups and try to make each struggle the same and the jihadsts have been using that exploit to infiltrate causes it's sad all guys in this videos are good people but each is trying to generalize everything without digging deeper to understand the conflict but eventually if they keep the curiosity they would understand better that main goal of the Jews is life
To the black guy: If you don’t consider America home even your mom is American then you should find a better country you can call home. And also stop using so many words that you don’t even know what they mean and use them in the most incorrect way. Also Haitians are not persecuted anywhere in the world so it’s in no way the same.
Yeah that dude was a caricature of a "woke studies" student trying to fit as many big woke words that he heard and read as he can trying to sound like an intellectual.
Love this video, as an Arab with ties to Palestine as well as someone who has been keeping up very closely with the catastrophes in Gaza, it's easy for me to be radicalised and wary of Jewish people from what I see Netanyahu/Gvir/the IDF perpetrating. It's just responding to hatred with more hatred. I like to be reminded that Jewish people are not a monolith and do not always agree with the Israeli government. Much love to you all, really important content being made here.
I liked the last video you did like this, but this one seems like you are explaining Zionism in a weak way to get people to like you. And let's not talk at all about Islamic colonization...
Colonialism and Imperialism are completely different enterprises. Recall that it was in the Islamic Imperium that Jews took refuge in (from Andalusia to Constantinople), flourished, composed works of great genius, etc.
@@ozzy7912 Not all empires are created equal… and I am no apologist for imperialism… the center obviously flourishes, even at the cost of the periphery… but the racist, genocidal legacy of colonialism, especially its European variety, is far, far worse. Compare Umayyad Andalusia to British India, or Ottoman Syria to French Algeria. It’s not even close.
guy says israelies came and were hostile MEANWHILE he described his fellow protesters "hounding" the Israeli girl till she cried. disgusting and shameful. this conversation was upsetting to say the least
They said there was no anti-Israeli sentiment on their campus whatsoever, then relate the story of a young Israeli who literally told the guy "I don't feel safe here." To which he told her she just simply shouldn't be a Zionist. It's not the algorithm that makes you think there is a problem; the people telling you there isn't a problem aren't listening to the one's who say to their faces "I am experiencing this problem."
These sessions are incredibly important. The best way to deal with ignorance is through dialogue. Ps. People who support Palestine completely ignore what's happening in Xinjiang.
As a Jewish student on a NYC campus, I am targeted everyday and quite frankly terrified to come to school. And I am very disappointed in the ignorance this portrays. These boys probably chant “Hillel go to hell” with the rest of them and then say that they don’t see why Jewish students feel unsafe.
I have a lot of criticism towards the government of Israel but the government of Israel has nothing to do with Zionism. Zionism is the belief that the Jews deserve to have a homeland, that's about it. Whether the government's policies are ok or not that's for a different discussion. My grandparents fled from ethnic cleansing in arab countries to a forever home thanks to Zonism. Zack, no one uses Zionism to hurt someone else, it's much more complicated than that. I'll just end with the fact that now when antisemitism is increasing around the world, and many Jews look for an immigration to Israel in order to be protected, that's what Zionism is. Seriously, your answers just make me sad
No words for how much I love this. THIS is what we need. Humans talking to other humans. Levinas - face to face - ruclips.net/video/OGnGB4saHCk/видео.html
As to the person on the left saying the USA shouldn't exist, what should it be replaced with? a Native American state? in a land where they are the minority?
Meh this conversation regarding Zionism is missing much. Too much focus on the “ism” of Zionism being the issue rather than considering Islamism as being even more culpable. Israel isn’t all that different from the huge number of other nations created around that time. It was a time of nation building. Israel set out to establish legally. They purchased land to establish a nation. No arabs lost any land until they attacked Israel. Losing land happens when you attack your neighbors. Israel tried to help create a Palestine. The price was peace and Arabs refused. Yes it’s a shitty situation. Yes both sides share some blame. The fact of the matter is what Israel is guilty of is not sacrificing itself to save the Arabs from their self imposed strike of suffering. Israel built a state. Israel fought and won the war in 1948. The guy speaking is well spoken and well intentioned but notice he feels America as well as Israel should fall…. Israel is the greatest story of decolonization. Jesus wasn’t there as part of an occupying force. Jews history is incontestable. And when we get past the history, the fact of the matter is that it’s Israel NOW. It’s a fully functioning multicultural democracy. Wars were fought. If you are going to put Israel on a list of nations that “deserve to fall”… whatever… if you are going to ignore all the real genocides and injustices, allow the perpetrators of true genocides judge Israel while ignoring it all…. It’s clear Israel is being targeted. What truly makes Israel unique? Jews. There’s no way to destroy Israel without murdering more than half the world’s Jews. It’s time the nakba reversal fantasies to be abandoned. They are the obstacle to peace.
Regards to your point at 12:55 about using G-d as an excuse for injustice: Yes the land belongs to the Jewish people because G-d gave it to them - but the reason they have to fight is not because of that. It's because it's a Torah law that a Jew needs to defend themselves, as the talmud says 'if someone comes to kill you, rise to kill them first.' Unfortunately Israel has not conducted themselves this way as they should have, preffering to let Gaza turn into a terror stronghold right under their very noses out of fear of 'rocking the boat' and now we are paying a heavy price for exuding such weakness. Had we taken the the Torah (G-ds word) seriously, we would not be in this this position - but again, the 'religious' rationale for using force, comes down to the obligation to be proactive when it comes to self defense. It's not about grabbing land, it's about protecting lives.
The reality is the Muslims of Israel\Palestine have massacred the Jews of that land much longer before there ever been an Israeli state so that two different cultures just doesn't get along together and it has nothing to do with any occupation... The only solution I can see is two states, but history shows one side doesn't want that... So ... That's why we are in the current horrible situation ❤
That's not sure, that's not what in Nakba happened and even before that when the Jwish terrorist group Irgun decided to kill over 90 British soldiers and injury many civilians in a hotel after they bombed it.
Thank you guys for another great video. I've really enjoyed how you engage with people in such an open manner. A lot of people are quite angry these days, as I am sure you know, with the actions of the state of Israel, and the impunity that it enjoys because of the diplomatic cover that the US gives it. They're angry that the media narrative is lopsided in favor of Israel and that any debate is shut down. They are angry that any criticism of Israel immediately leads to the "antisemitic" accusation. They're angry about Israel and AIPAC's meddling in US politics. So I truly commend you for engaging with people... I just wish the media would have such open discussions, that there would be more intellectual honesty about antisemitism vs criticism of a foreign nation. Particularly if you are American and your tax dollars are funding that nation.
Gd gave land to each nation, the land of the Jewish nation is Israel, just like India is for Indians. The British conquered India and gave it back to the Indians. The Muslims conquered Israel, lost it in a war they started with the Jews and refuse to give up what never was theirs to be taken. The conflict will end when the Palestinians accept their losses and start building a life worth living for their children.
12:43 the biblical story is allegory, and that’s really important to know. israelites in the bible conquered canaanites. the truth is, the archaeological record shows that israelites were a subgroup of canaanites who were already living in the region. they had an internal uprising because they felt that things like human sacrifice and animal sacrifice and idolatry etc etc were not what their god wanted of them. the land was not overtaken and canaanites were not destroyed in the way the bible outlines. israelites decided to be better people, with a deeper respect for life, and a deeper respect for morality and goodness. were they perfect? no. but the story in the bible can’t be used against the jewish population in terms of “look what they did in the past” - because they didn’t do that in the past. they picked up and moved to the highlands and started a new life and called themselves israelites, those who “wrestled with god”. this is archaeologically evidenced, and also even hinted at in the bible where jacob “suddenly becomes” israel. that’s exactly what happened in real life, canaanites became israelites.
@@weisshalivniwineHow is that BS? I'm interested to know because if you study Paleo-Hebrew it's attested that language evolved from Canaanite script. Given the story of the Bible, it's plausible that it was constructed to explain a natural separation, and establishment of an Israelite state. Like how the Ausarian Myth details the constant struggle between Lower and Upper Egypt and the country's eventual union.
You are aware that genetically Palestinians are the ones who are the most similar to ancient Israelites and Canaanites and not the so called modern Jews that are not in Israel? Canaanites/Israelites all became modern day Palestinians, they have been the ones living there even before the biblical times. Some just ended up converting to Christianity through Jesus Christ and then with the rise of Islam, most became Muslim. Their DNA proves they are indigenous.
@@afcomics7184yes but modern day Hebrew has nothing to do with the Hebrew of that time. Modern day Hebrew is a recent invention by European Jws mixing Yiddish and Arabic. Modern Jws do not speak whatsoever Hebrew despite what they like to claim. Everything about them is completely fake and made up, heck, the star of David was never a Jwish symbol, the European Jws adopted that star which Muslims for example once used it as their symbol. The current Jwish identity is just a recent invention but the Bible already warned us about the fake Jws claiming to be Jw but are the synagogue of Satan.
You are able to sit there and have this conversation because you are in America with freedom of speech. Why do some of you have absolutely no gratitude but hate this county that gave you such privilege? I truly do not understand.
these guys live in america and wont call it home. im not just talking about my jewish brothers im talking about the guy with the afro too, if your dad came here then you were born here then this is home. my ancestry says im german and english and scottish , does that mean europe is my home? hell no im american
Jeeesus it seems you are the only American to have his mind clear. YES! I'm from Latin America and here it sounds so, so awkward to see you Americans always boasting that you are Italian, African, Irish when most of you have not even crossed your state border. You're all gringos for the rest of the world, and that is what you are! Jesus Christ, when are you going to stop that madness?
Well, you all certainly have a different view on this than basically all Israeli religious Jews, and the vast majority of American religious Jews as well. Basically all of us are considerably more attached to Israel and Zionism than one would take away from this. Are you all watering down views on this in order to not scare away leftist you may meet, or what? If so, I think being weak about our existence hurts more than helps.
I feel more or less the same. I aways saw Israel as a place flee to if the shit hit the fan and didn't think of it much more beyond this. I have never known what it is to be a Jew more than during this explosion of antisemitism. To not be resilient in the face of hate. To not cower. The purpose for Israel's existence has never been made more clear.
I understand wanting to find common ground with these types of people and fostering constructive and relaxed dialogue, but letting their ignorance go unchallenged isn't the way forward.
@SeekersofUnity I was introduced to the distinction of political zionism, vs spiritual zionism when the local Yeshiva ostracized and vandalized a Hasidic Rabbi who condemned political zionism as an affront to spiritual zionism- at first they painted swastikas on his house, till he showed the police his doorbell camera showing who really put that there. Then the vandalists stopped hiding, and scratched "traitor" into his car doors, and made death threats against his grandkids, like a bunch of fascists. Right now in Israel, jewish Israeli protesters against the fascist government, military, and against the war crimes are facing far worse treatment. Mean while, the rightwingers claim that protesting Israel's current fascism and war crimes is antisemitism to silence descent. Thank you for your integrity and courage in confronting this narrative, and unfolding these issues for everyone to examine for themselves.
Yes, they infiltrated all aspects, that's why the people have to be sufficiently compassionate and intelligent. If it teaches hate, the victory is futile. The sacrifices are futile. But a holy generation will birth a holy identity. Regardless of outward appearances. ❤
The distinction between political zionism and spiritual/cultural zionism is irrelevant today. The goal of spiritual zionism was to rejuvenate Jewish nationhood by building a hub for secular Jewish culture in the land of Israel. The goal of political zionism was to create a Jewish nation-state. You'll notice that both these goals not only are compatible but actually require one another. You'll also notice that both goals have been achieved, which is why the terms are irrelevant today. The Israeli government doesn't have any fascist characteristics other than being generally right wing. Lastly the protests are not against the Israeli military or the offensive into Gaza other than arab Israelis and the extreme left all of the Israeli public is united in it's backing of the IDF and it's war on hamas. The protestors believe that holding an election would lead to the war being carried out more efficiently
@@whydoi4088 Maybe I misspoke by using the term spiritual zion-ism. I was referring to the ideas of Zion being a spiritual ideal of reunion between humanity and god; not any version of nationalism, or worldly, political zionism. whydoi4088: "all of the Israeli public is united in it's backing of the IDF" except I know first hand with my own eyes and thru people I know (jews) some of whom have had to escape Israel because of their stance against the IDF, the war crimes, the drafts, the war, and the right-wing government, and threats of, and actual acts of violence and arrests made on their group. The protests they were associated with were explicitly anti-war. You are painting with too broad a brush w unilateral generalizations that imagines the Israelis are a monolith, when of course they are not, no group that is so large is. Currently the Israeli government has many fascistic traits (including the lack of democratic elections- as you acknowledged they've lacked, demanding military service, the aim of genocide, the ethnic cleansing being preformed by the IDF, and the suppression of political descent).
@@MrKreinen Zion is just a different name for the city of Jerusalem, so I don't see what your understanding of spiritual zionism has to do with actual concerns of Jewish identity or its relation to Israel I assumed you were referring to the organized anti-government protests (the ones associated with Kaplan Street) since the number of actual anti-war protests is so small that it's completely irrelevant to internal Israeli politics. There's no laws against criticizing the IDF or government however Jewish Israelis aren't afraid to voice their outrage over people who speak negatively of soldiers (rightfully so, the only reason those people are alive right now is the soldiers laying down their life to defend them). There are laws against incitement to violence, though it is rarely enforced against leftwing Jews. The last Israeli election was in 2022, and Israel has a 4 year term. The current government did not postpone the election. Protestors are calling to dissolve the government and hold a new election because lack of confidence, not abuse of the democratic system. Mandatory service is fairly normal and is not indicative of fascist ideology. Some of the countries that have mandatory military service include South Korea, Finland, and Sweden, which I doubt you'll argue have a fascist government. You'd think that if the Israeli government had the aim of genocide they'd start working towards achieving that aim, but it's been 9 months, yet they've not acted on their desire. I guess we'll need to wait. Maybe they're waiting until the post Oct 7th sympathies completely vanish, so they can cause maximal outrage? Strange to say the IDF is performing ethnic cleansing despite the fact that said ethnicity can not leave Gaza. Unless you mean it's only ethnically cleansing the west bank, in which case I want to see what different policies were adopted by this government to start this ethnic cleansing. Lastly, while unauthorized protests, were disbanded with of what I agree is an unnecessary and exaggerated use of force. Protests for all kinds of causes were still authorized, which is uncharacteristic for a fascist regime
whydoi4088:" I don't see what your understanding of spiritual zionism has to do with actual concerns of Jewish..." Seriously? You are that ignorant of well established Jewish spiritualism while talking out your ars so confidently? whydoi4088:"Zion is just a different name for the city of Jerusalem" Zion is seen as the ultimate destination in Jewish eschatology. The belief in the eventual coming of the Messiah and the divine redemption is centered on the spiritual renewal of Zion. This messianic hope is less about physical restoration and more about a profound spiritual transformation, where Zion symbolizes the world to come and the fulfillment of divine promises. Zion is deeply associated with the Shechinah, the divine presence. Jewish spirituality sees Zion as a metaphor for the place where God’s presence dwells most intimately with humanity. In Kabbalistic thought, Zion is seen as a symbol of the higher spiritual realms and the divine emanations. The mystics envision Zion as the spiritual epicenter where the physical and the metaphysical intersect. The writings of the Ari (Rabbi Isaac Luria) and other Kabbalists elaborate on Zion as the place of ultimate spiritual rectification and union with the divine. It is a focal point for mystical meditation and yearning for spiritual elevation. Through the entire history of the 20th century (and on into the 21st), a sizable number of Jews have seen "political" or "worldly" so-called "zion" as an affront to the spiritual goal or ideal of zion, and to those awaiting the coming of the jewish messiah with a spiritual view of what that means, man-made political or nationalist zion is a blasphemy. All the way up through the 70s there was a sizable faction of religious jews primarily in the US that rejected the political state of Israel, and its government, while the rightwing coalition of jews in Israel were primarily secular jews. And, together with jewish anti-fascist leftists, the anti-state leftist Jews, and the anti-state religious Jews were large enough to counter the rightwing coalition in Israel. This has unfortunately changed. Through the 90s the anti-state religious faction was promised exception from military service (tho since then it was revoked in 2014 ruclips.net/video/me4FqdrmVBs/видео.html ), and near autonomy in governing their own communities in Israel, bribing them into joining the rightwing coalition, and leaving leftist anti-state jews on their own. On their own, the anti-state leftist are not sizable enough to be much more than a minority youth movement of hippies. In fact, that was one of the reasons the rightwing coalition was trying to block the influx of mostly semi-secular Russian and Ukrainian jews, who were unlikely to support the rightwing coalition in power, but were coming in numbers that would make a difference in the political demographics. Fortunately, they were not able to block the majority of Russian Jews from gaining citizenship, though unfortunately, they have not made as much of a difference as the right once feared, and the left once hoped. whydoi4088:"...since the number of actual anti-war protests is so small that it's completely irrelevant to internal Israeli politics..." & "...There's no laws against criticizing the IDF" When the IDF (& rightwing communities) assaults reporters and anti-war protesters, that tends to be seen as the truth; weather that's because the protesters dont want to suffer the punishments of a society that quietly condones the attacks on anti-war protesters which they officially deny, or because the reporters dont want to suffer that punishment (more than a few reporters have said the IDF tried to kill them/get them killed). ruclips.net/video/UPANd-ZUOHg/видео.html whydoi4088:"The last Israeli election was in 2022, and Israel has a 4 year term. The current government did not postpone the election." And how long has Benjamin Netanyahu remained in political power? You sound like propaganda about russian "democracy" and Putin. Critics argue that weakening the judiciary could lead to an erosion of checks and balances, concentrating power in the executive branch.There have been legislative initiatives perceived as discriminatory against Israel's Arab minority and other marginalized groups. These initiatives are seen as undermining democratic principles and equality before the law. Concerns have been raised about attempts to control or influence the media and civil society organizations. Restrictions on NGOs and freedom of expression are seen as steps towards authoritarianism. The political rhetoric used by some leaders has been accused of inciting hatred and division, particularly against Arabs, left-wing activists, and other perceived opponents. Such rhetoric is often compared to that used by authoritarian regimes to consolidate power and marginalize dissent. Aggressive military and security policies, including crackdowns on protests and increased use of force, are viewed by some as signs of an authoritarian approach to governance. Overall, there is a perception of democratic backsliding, where democratic norms and institutions are gradually eroded in favor of more centralized and authoritarian control. But I will admit, exactly what counts as Fascistic (aka like-fascism) really depends on the political leanings of the individual. Rightwingers tend to not only tollerate fascistic erosions of democratic societies, but often harbor out-right fascists in their ranks (for example, in the US all neo-naz support the rightwing). But I suspect Israel is doing what the US has done for decades if not longer---- creating two ritewing parties, one more left than the other on select topics, with the two engaging in a red-herring pseudo-conflict w eachother, so that actual left/progs are painted as minority extremists, and completely left out of the political process. No leftwing progressive in the first world endorses war, theocracy, or ethno-nationalism (and certainly not mandatory military service). whydoi4088:"Mandatory service is fairly normal and is not indicative of fascist ideology." "Israelis aren't afraid to voice their outrage over people who speak negatively of soldiers (rightfully so, the only reason those people are alive right now is the soldiers laying down their life to defend them)." So it seems obvious where you fall on the world political spectrum; no wonder you don't recognize fascistic trends. whydoi4088:"You'd think that if the Israeli government had the aim of genocide they'd start working towards achieving that aim, but it's been 9 months, yet they've not acted on their desire." and "Strange to say the IDF is performing ethnic cleansing despite the fact that said ethnicity can not leave Gaza. " Really? Theres no shortage of reports of IDF systematic rap3s. ruclips.net/video/sWsllICQSI4/видео.html ruclips.net/user/shortsQDx3Mlg_v-I ruclips.net/video/lhNGimPNygs/видео.html ruclips.net/video/lnR_8x_J3bk/видео.html whydoi4088, you seem to be a fount of rightwing propaganda with shockingly absent knowledge of descenting politics and jewish spirituality. You should probably do more learning before you condescend to others as if you know what you're talking about. Hey, at least you are certainly on the right channel to learn about jewish spirituality.
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Jews weren't expelled entirely by the Romans. Jews still maintained a huge presence and majority until at least the 700s when the Ummmayad empire took control of Israel.
Blackman has won today the intellectul and humanity awad. Knowledge comes when the ego steps aside
My best offer to you regarding Zionism, Jews, and the Palestinians. You should start with the Palestinians' treaty regarding the State of Israel. This will shock you!!
The Arab is also political everything is political Muslim brother hotel a far right political movements they hate everybody how is not Muslim they want to bring back the caliphate and sharia .
id say it was very nice!
but i also critisize your opinions about the current conflict.. like.. get educated about the topic.. im not saying whatever is happening is ok or alright but you should really reconsider your standings on it especially as jews...
thats it. much love
It’s hard to notice antisemitism on campus if you are not Jewish because it’s not targeted towards you. As a Jewish student I have so many stories, the situation is very bad.
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@@RS-xj7tn exactly these kids are willfully ignorant Nd bought into the whole Palestinian narrative. seems like zack did to unfortunately.
@@thegratefuldeb2269 exactly! they are so out of their depth and are fueling more antisemitism. They just don’t see that.
@@thegratefuldeb2269you are correct! They keep deleting my comments.
This is what I find so reprehensible about the so-called progressives. They seem to have support and empathy for every minority except the Jews.
What about us jews descendent from refugees from MENA countries... My grandparents were Iraqi jews... a 2500 year old jewish community that no longer exists... Had to leave with nothing...Some of us didn't have a choice.
Yeah, because mossad did multiple 💣 in Iraq to make the local Jewish population believe they weren't welcome and flee to Israel. The Iraqi government didn't want them to go.
You may find that Mossad had a fair bit to do with driving Jews from surrounding Arab countries.
Demographic domination has always been the aim of Zionists....the early Zionist knew that, and did all they could to fill the Palestinian lands with Jews ...
My Moroccan grandparents had no intention to move to Israel but they weren't given a choice either.
same with my Yemenite family.
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Then you move to a country based upon equality, freedom of religious expression, democracy and liberty.
You do not expel the people in habitation and create an ethno-theocracy which discriminates against all except the 'chosen'.
Or you remain and fight the righteous fight for your rights to remain in a territory which has been your ancestral home for 2500 years.
Nothing about your past or aspirations gives you the right to expel and subjugate the Palestinians.
Nothing.
No Zevi, the British in the 1930s under the Peel Commission offered the Arabs a country on over the 80% of the land with only a small sliver for the Jews. The Jews accepted the plan and the Arabs said no. The 1947 Partition Plan came later and was presented by the UN and not British "colonialists". The British abstained from that vote and had already been siding with the Arabs since the 1930s. But the Arabs had already rejected the Peel Commission compromise in which they would ha gotten most of the land. The entire history of Jews and Palestinians has been one of Palestinian rejectionism because they do not want the existence of a Jewish state.
The Peel Commission was still giving away land which was predominantly inhabited by Arabs.
Is it so strange that a people living their life should surrender 20 percent of their land to people who lived on other continents??
There is a self-serving delusion here that a people would hand over 20 percent of their land mass to people from a separate continent.
Why do you present this bizarre third party theft of land as an attractive proposition for the people living and farming these lands?
Only to serve your own entitled view.....
Well said
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So you are suggesting that a country should accept 20 percent of their most fertile, coastal land being stripped away to be given to colonists from primarily Europe who would use this as a launching pad to seize more? Ridiculous and self-serving argument to suggest that this was a 'fair deal'.
It was, and is, an imposition upon the inhabitants of the land. It was said by a senior Zionist at the time that they could accept a parcel of land the size of a tablecloth, because it would be the point from where they would seize the rest of Palestine.
Why would Palestinians want a Jewish state on their land?
yes, and they're right for it. because they knew the creation of the "jewish state" came at their expense, whether they rejected the plan or not.
Such a beautiful and uplifting conversation, always a bit discouraging to see what some people (bots?) in the comments have to say and the likes that said comments get. With that aside I really appreciate you guys posting this, put a massive smile on my face!
As an Israeli I was deeply disappionted by the ignorance, I axpected more knowlege from jewish people.
Modern zionism is a secular movement, all it is is the right for jewish people to have a land in their ancestors land. Almost half of the people of Israel are left wing liberals who wants the 2 state solution, and don't hate Palestinians, all we want from them is to recognize the exsistance of Israel and stop using terror and wars to kick us out, we have no where else to go!!, I am 3rd ganoration in Jerusalem, my grandparents had to leave Iraq because they were persecuted, finally we have a home where we feel safe and not at mercy of others, yet people are trying to ruin the legitamacy of Israel by spreding lies about what zionism is. It is not colonialism, ethnic clensing and all of that, it is our right to continue to live in the land along side the Palestinians who allways refues to accept our long connection to the land too.
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Yes. Me too
According to polls only 26 percent believe in two states, and it will only go down as the two sides become more extreme. You are openly lying. The fact it is a secular movement proves that it didn't originally had to do anything with creating a jewish state but to be a European colony for Ashkenazi jews alienated from their identity. It's not the fault of Jews but mainly of the british that created the conditions for it.
Zionism is an umbrella term for all Jewish nationalist ideologies centered around the land of Israel, it is neither secular nor religious it has secular or religious branches.
While the other half of israelis are genocidal maniacs that want a greater israel and are ok with stealing more land for their colonial project. You are all guilty.
I'm glad and thankful to listening honest and humanitarian conversations between people. I'm filling more hopeful. Thank you.
You need to stop drawing equivalence between Israel protesters trying to get their brothers back and Palestine protesters encouraging intifada. It's very disingenuous and you need to tell these guys straight
He might not know any better.
You need to fight against your biases. What is infitada and how has it been employed? Infitada means to rebel or resist and it has not always been violent. Do you deny a people’s right to rebel against their oppressor?
@@halimj7"ji ha d might also be trying to go on a diet, struggle against obesity" ....
The intifada was hyper violent. Lets not play the taqqyia game.
@@halimj7 so far I haven't seen a non violent intifada out of the Palestinians, so excuse me if I'm skeptical of your claim. You should examine your biases that infidels are stupid idiots who you can play word games with.
@@halimj7Make sure you're working to fight against your biases as well. Make sure you try seeing things from the opposite side's perspective and not be a hypocrite.
Too painful watching Zack. He's fed with lies and absolute ignorant regarding our Jewish history. He's NOT representing us.
You are right.
More is the pity.
His mind is free from the indoctrination of the Zionist..
I think he is just trying not to offend anyone which itself is wrong. im Christian but ima Zionist. all Christians should be. you guys may not like us but we LOVE you. as commanded in the scripture. we literally worship a jew so any christian who hates jews is committing sin against our Messiah.
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You can love Jews Chris.
But as a Christian you should be calling out the genocide of Palestinians which Israel has been undertaking for over 80 years.
@@chrisvibz4753 The average Jew has no problem with Christians, the opposite, we are living in times where we need to side with each other against radicals from Islam.
@@zkatom3773 i love jews and as the bible tells me i will defend you bc im supposed to love wnd respect jews. whcih every christian should considering Jesus Christ of Nazareth was a jew aswell. we need to team up bc any good christian who had read the bible knows we must peotect israel
The first guy doesn't know what Zionism is.
Zion is another word for Jerusalem/Israel, When the Roman empire conquered Israel, and expelled most of the Jews from there homeland, the longing for home was expressed by going back to Zion.
Zionism means that Jews have a right to live in Israel it's there homeland, and there's archeology to prove it.
It doesn't mean that Jews won't let others live in Israel. It never meant that. And Zionism was before the British empire.
Even the Quran has a copy pasted verses that God gave the land to the Israelites
Btw Arabs have technically no religious claim to the land
Al auqsa in Jerusalem was built after Mohammed died and that's one of the reasons Jerusalem isn't mentioned a single time in the Quran
Btw someone who actually followes Islamic scholars and their scripture would understand that even the definition of Al aqusa (silver dome ) is actually in suadia Arabia
Did you watch the whole video??
You claimed that Israelis don't see gazans as humans but you forget to mention that Israel are the ones that contribute food, fuel and so on to Gazans while still fighting terrorists.
There are a bunch of videos showing supply trucks moving from Israel to Gaza to supply the Gazans with food and fuel.
There's a difference between the actions of the government and the views of the people. This is a sentence usually said to defend against antisemitic generalization, but I think it's relevant the other way around too. The government could be doing everything for Gazans but the people under said government could still view them as inferior or inherently dangerous. It's an unfortunate side-effect of living under constant hostility, many people in Israel only know of Gaza as "that place where rockets and terrorists come from", so they're not able to conceptualize that there are people just like them living there.
Are you all open to a discussion on the definition of Zionism?
I get that there’s a personal experience/relationship to Zionism, but I think you missed the mark on how Zionism is represented. Love what you all do and have learned so much from you. Would love the opportunity to discuss this further with you both, achim.
You would hopefully agree that it sounds silly when someone says “I’m an egalitarian. I’m not a feminist because I don’t believe in female supremacy.” It’s silly because that isn’t what feminism is. It’s the belief in equality for people of any gender. We know this because feminist organizations consistently define feminism as such. It’s true that misogynists often “define” feminism as female supremacy, but that’s simply incorrect, and it’s not them who defines feminism.
It’s true that anti-Zionists often “define” zionism as an ideology of racial supremacy and violence for an imperial settler colonial theocratic ethnostate (or some combination of those words). But that’s simply incorrect, and it’s not them who defines zionism. You’ll see zionist organizations consistently define zionism as the Jewish right to self-determination in the Jewish ancestral homeland. It’s the recognition of indigenous rights. That is the consistent definition, no matter what anti-zionists (or misogynists) say. Propaganda thrives of loose definitions, so do not overlook this or brush this aside. My values are pro-indigenous and anti-imperial. I can’t be against indigenous self-determination or support a pan-Arab middle east that reestablishes the caliphate as that directly contradicts my central values.
Sincerely,
someone who used to say “I’m anti-zionist because I don’t support displacement” because I assumed an incorrect definition of zionism. My values haven’t changed, I’m still against displacement, violence, and imperialism. I know a shitload more history than I did back then. And it turns out I was never actually anti-zionist, since I always believed that all people (especially indigenous people) have the right to self-determination. Yes, including Jews. 💛
As a Jew who was born and lives in the south of Israel, especially after the seventh of October, it is a bit difficult for me to agree with you...
After thousands of people breach the wall and kill 1500 Jews for fun and send recordings to their mothers in Gaza happy,
And when in the streets of Gaza sweets are handed out for the terrible murder, then yes I am in favor of eliminating Hamas.
We (Israel) left the Gaza Strip in 2005 to allow the Gazans to build a better life for themselves, despite the separation we continued to transfer hundreds of millions of dollars and give tens of thousands of jobs to the Gazans so that they could live a better life
What many people in the world don't understand is that with all the money going to construction and reconstruction, Gaza would have been more successful than Israel, but the money went to the terrorist people who built tunnels wherever possible, under schools, mosques, hospitals and more
And all this just so that when the moment comes they will attack (as happened on October 7)
So Israel will have no choice and they will have to bomb these places to eliminate terrorism, I agreed with how you described the idea of Judaism but to say that nowadays people use it to kill people is not true, we in Israel want peace and that's why we left in 2005 but who are murdering 1500 residents We have to fight back, we don't want to hurt civilians but it's not us who are hurting, today we hear a lot in the media about Israel killing innocents
But we are not the ones who built the tunnels in public places in the first place and who bridge rockets from public places
So what do you expect from us not to react and see our children die who throw a one year old into the oven or shoot the mother in the head and force the child to watch before murdering him as well
We are trying to reduce casualties as much as possible compared to Hamas which prevents its people from going to the safe places
Over the years Israel gave the option 5 times to establish a Palestinian state and each time they said no because they do not believe that Israel deserves a state.
What is happening today in Gaza is both Zionism and Judaism. We want to give our child a place to call home but it is not possible if you are murdered so we come to kill the terrorists but that too cannot be done because they are hiding inside a civilian community so during the last 20 years we stopped every time they fired rockets because we did not want to harm civilians But that it comes to the murder of 1500 Jews is no longer possible
You talk about a ceasefire but you can't make a break as long as Hamas exists because then maybe not now but in 20 years everything will repeat itself again
And we are not ready for that.
Zev, I am glad you are having these conversations.
What a deep and thought provoking conversation! Thank you.
Why don't universities in the West teach their students about Arab-Islamic Colonialism?
* Bloody conquests and wars were waged
* Hostages were taken as slaves
* Sharia law was imposed on non-Muslims
* Arabic was enforced
Most Muslim schools teach all this with pride.
(Luai Ahmed)
That was when? During the dark ages of extermination and conquest?
This is your elementary school reasoning for indulging in extermination and conquest in the 21st century?
My heart bleeds for the Arabs who were so unfortunate to exist on the land gifted to the Zionists.
bc they gonna say islamaphobia
What kind of BS talk is this? Have you been to universities or schools that are Arabic or Islamic? Of course not, due to the false remarks you say! I have never ever been taught about sharia law, never been taught that Jews are bad! Man educate yourself, Muslim and Arabic schools never teach this! Have you looked at the Quran before? Of course not, the Quran never ever mentioned killing Jews or hating Jews or anything about violence for Jews! The Quran even allows Muslims marriage to Christians and Jews because they are people of the book Muslim Christian and Jewish. Dude educate yourself!
and that proves or justifies what exactly?
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It looks to me like yet another expression of racism. Dehumanising Palestinians, diminishing their history and humanity is buried within the psyche of the Zionist Jew.
There needs be no sympathy, no allowance, no justice offered to a society viewed as below that of the Jewish society.
What a heartwarming conversation. Thank you
This was beautiful and helpful. I feel more hopeful and capable of engaging honestly and compassionately having watched this. Thank you, more of this! 👁️🙏❤️
This is so important. Thank you guys 🙏💕
I agree somewhat that the opinions were a little vague and underformed, but so are most peoples! And that shouldnt exclude them from peaceful discussion..
That said, I would *adore* seeing a discussion with this level of humanity, but on more specific issues and disagreements (perhaps between a Palestinian and Israeli scholar/historian?)
I'm really happy to see this conversation.
Humanity first no matter the religion, ethnicity or color.
Nuance is important.
Excellent! This conversation definitely deserved it's own episode.
Thank you ❤🙏
Fantastic conversation, the humanity and empathy on display is heartening!
Thank you Zevi! Always love your work but I cannot express how much I respect this conversation and how needed projects like this are.
You're not educated about the Israel topic
Facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don’t like: 👇
*1.* Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam.
*2.* Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1964, almost two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.
*3.* After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.
*4.* The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years.
*5.* For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.
*6.* Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.
*7.* King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.
*8.* Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.
*9.* In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.
*10.* Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.
*11.* Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.
*12.* In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.
*13.* There are 58 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state.
*14.* Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.
Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms.
*15.* During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.
*16.* Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel.
*17.* The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
*18.* Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
That was a lot of word salad. Well done.
Lmao. To much writing. 😂😂😂
TRUTH! Finally! Thank you! 💙🇮🇱💙🇮🇱💙
Zionism:
The Rebirth of a Nation
A continuous Jewish presence in Israel for over 3,000 years.
1. Zion is an age-old name for Jerusalem and the land of Israel. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people who sought to restore their freedom and independence in their ancestral homeland.
2. Theodore Herzl founded morden Zionist movement in 1897, but the dream of restoration and return had always been at the core of Judaism and Jewish identity. Roma tried to obliterate the millenna-old Jewish state in the first century. But unlike other nations conquered in ancient times, the Jews survived and never lost their profound attachment to their land of origin. Jews lived in the land of Israel continuously for 3,000 years. Those forced into exile expressed their yearning to return in their daily liturgy and prayers. For 2,000 years, many came back in periodic waves of immigration. By the late 1860s. Jews once again were the mijority in Jerusalem.
3. Zionists adapted this historic dream to modern political ideals and circumstances. They were inspired by national liberation movements and driven by ongoing anti-Jewish persecution and discrimination that occurred even in progressive Europe. The Zionists believed that if tge scatted Jews reunited in their historic homeland, joining the Jews who were already there, they could restore their freedom, be free prejudice and further develop their unique culture.
4. Disagreements arose among Zionists as Jews from different countries and with different ideologies - religious and scular, socialist and conservative - joined toghter. But they united around fundamental principles that combined idealism and practicality. They would seek official support from other national govermments. They wwould return legally, purchase the land and restore it through their own labor. Zionists envisioned living in friendship with non-Jewish residents and believed the entire region would benefit from their restoration of the land.
5. Within 50 years, the Zionist dream became a reality. Britain recognized the thrivibg communities Jews had built and in the 1917 Balfour Declaration, endorsed the "Zionist aspirations". In 1920, the League of Nations reinforced this commitment and carved out the Palestine Mandate from the defeated Ottoman Empire for the Jewish homeland.
6. On May 14, 1948, Israel was reestablushed as a modern state and recognized by the community of nations. It lived up to the Zionist dream. Israel began with a Jewish majority that had purchased and settled the land and accorded full civil, political and cultural rights to all its minorities, including Arabs, Muslims and Christians.
Today Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists arpund the world support the State of Israel and hope to see the full Zionist vision realized - a safe and thriving Israel living at peace with it neighbors. 🇮🇱💙
Wow, love your answer ❤❤❤
I am a proud Zionist Israeli, Am Israel Chay
So perfectly stated. 💙🇮🇱💙
@@emmymegify @adisinai3118 Thanks! & Am Yisrael Chai! 🩵🤍
Promotion of civility, common humanity, and understanding is very heartwarming. A very mature approach to public discourse. Thank you for being a light of hope Mr Zevi 🪔
Good on all of you. Keeping it calm, cool, real and man to man.
12 minutes in, I haven't seen any actual defense of Israel, as the title implies.
his from Haiti,and Israel was from the first that came and helped when they had there tragedy.
I read all the time about people from Haiti supporting Israel because they remember what Israel did for them.
and we from Israel will not forget your gratitude.
Love to Haiti from Israel
Sooo beautiful and respectful, intelligent exchange of ideas... Let's hope Israelis and Palestinians can sit together, just like you guys, and try to understand each other. Shalom from Israel❤.
Which one is the Palestinian? I think he is missing there to get his opinion, so the group in incomplete.
@@SaletePires-c9vthe Palestinians who don't even know who was the 1st Prime Minister of the Palestinian state 75yrs ago. Because there never was a Palestinian state.
It is all the Muslims using their Taqiyya on the ignorant.
Conversations like these, and others always seem to forget the fact that Palestinians have been offered their own state multiple times. Israel agreed to each and it was 'brokered' through other countries as well. The Palestinians turned down the offers each and every time. Also, 1948-67, there was a three state solution (Jordan/Egypt/Israel) until Israel had to defend in 1967. Then gaza / WB were ceded to Israel. You *need* to understand the history. The Palestinian 'statehood' movement began in 1964, by an egyptian, 16 years after Israel was re-constituted.
There was literally zero offers 😂 you wouldn't be able to bring up the documents of those offers because it never existed. And Palestinians have no reason to share land with invaders, that's insane. That's their indigenous land where they have been living there for thousands of years, way before the biblical times. They are the descendants of Canaanites and Israelites that never left while you are the descendant of the Edomites and Judeans that God cursed.
And their initial 1964 statehood document explicitly ceded Gaza to their Arab Egyptian brothers, and the West Bank to their Jordanian Arab brothers. The PLO was only focused on conquering and destroying Israel, after which its independence was not so important, as long as all the land was in the hands of Arabs.
@@carlosm.3426 My Zionism level went up after that comment
@@ngreenwald89do you think that if the PLO accepted the plans to leave 70% of the land to Jewish colonizers and refugees while their own share of the land was being torn apart and governed by other neighboring countries, they would now be considered "independent"?
The Palestinians sought independence from britain. I don't care about the specifics of which formal movement started when, by whom, or what their leaders' nationalities were, because nationality doesn't equal ethnicity. The fact remains: people under the British Mandate of Palestine [decades before israel existed] demanded self-agency, autonomy, their LAND back and the departure of their white colonizers. To think otherwise [that is that people were happy or nonchalant under occupation and that the british colonizers were peace doves agreeing to give anyone their land as is without consequences] is foolish and naive. Britain partitioned their land as they did with India and Pakistan, and France with Lebanon, strategically believing the issue would resolve itself. And the palestinians didn't want to compromise. The same way u wouldn't if u were in their place. The same way probably dont want israelis to compromise anything right now..
And let me be clear, I am jewish. I believe Jewish refugees back then deserved homes and dignified treatment. However, the way "Zionism" came to be is evil and corrupt.. I myself, don't disageee with zionism in itself as a concept. But the way it carried out is colonization and a continuation of an imperialist history, under disguise, now taking advantage of european guilt and jewish trauma and the rising movement of pan-Arabism. it was Strategy... and we got fed that propaganda and we repeat it over and over.
But Israel didn't shy away from being an aspiring colonizing power when it was in fashion, think at the time, Australia, canada, etc.. colonies, europe x africa .. great colonial powerrs x poor colonized countries.. so this narrative that the way it carried out isn't colonization and mass displacement is relatively new. And is also a PR strategy.
AND even if.. YES !! A nation has the right to self-defense, BUT Israel's actions in 1964 were not defensive. The Suez Crisis and the titular aggression on Egypt are well-documented . Britain and France used Israel as a tool for their imperial ambitions. and Israeli forces, backed by the USA, UK, and France, occupied the remaining parts of Palestine, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria. Some of these territories remain occupied today [golan heights in syria, why the heck does israel has a piece of syria til now???? come on]. This is not "defense", just as the killing of thousands of innocent people happening right now is not.
The issue lies in how the complicit parties frame and rewrite history. Without social media, whats happening right now could have been passed to the next generation as another case of Israeli "defense."
[google, please, and read, and have an open mind, and address the way we are biased to believe cerain things :)]
How beautiful wasn' t this ❣️ Truly enjoyed all of you. Thank you.
no mention of October 7th. jesus.
You are a clown
cuz sh** didnt start on october 7th
@@okayguy951 ur right they were massacres before Israel even existed like the Hebron massacre of 1929 where 67 Jews were murdered by local Arabs. before Israel existed. and who cares if it didn't start on October 7th? it's the most recent most gruesome massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. maybe dont get your info from memes on tik Tok.
@@okayguy951 This war did.
@@okayguy951 ya how far back would you like go who started the war in 1948
why did they massacre us in 1929 before the state existed?
What a nice conversation. Thank you to everyone involved!
Love & respect to you all ❤
Although I disagree with both sides, I really appreciate the dialog and the hearing the other side
That guy said he doesn't believe the US or Israel should exist, fine. Did he ever protest against the existence of the US? I doubt it. He has some anti semitic leanings whether he would like to admit it or not.
Also, what does he mean by "not exist"? Is he just saying that the political entity/rulership should change? Because to me it sounds at first like he's saying everyone apart from indigenous people should leave, but that would be a crazy position to take.
@@saskiascott8181 I think he's just parroting talking points.
Beautiful conversation.
Omg these two guys were awesome! What a brilliant conversation
Interesting. You men are so young and hopeful. I'm 53 and stone cynical. I hear quite a lot of fameworking here, yet your core goal is sound. I'm encouraged by the conversation. And if I, as a representative of the monolith of establishment set thinking, can be moved by a little unity, perhaps a lot of Unity could move a lot more of the Establishment towards where it should be. YOU blokes need to form an ecumenical forum so more Union can be realised. Step forward with care. Teach, don't preach. Your world now.
First channel on RUclips that I find with people and jewish sharing their points of views (as used to happen years ago in Istanbul -first capital of technology in the world- during the Asambleas where people from all around the know world back then got together to share their knowledge and perspectives and ideas with the only condition of doing it in elegant arabic) and open to transparent dialogue accepting their biases and responsibilities. Thank you for this different horizon.
Absolutely love the guest. Nice seeing young people asking awesome questions
Zionism starts with the Torah not with Herzel. Herzel came 3000 years later. Zionism started 3000 years before Herzel
Compassion 100%
Done your homework 0%
Keep your curiosity about your own nation up, and take it more seriously please.
@@אסףג well said
Israel is not just a homeland, but a holy land for the Jews. It is their biblical homeland. The Arabs would never allow any other people to inhabit, let alone rule the area that Mecca is in.
It's also a holy land for Muslims
@@5StarHeneral Jews and Christians pre-date the Muslim holy land claim.
Israel is not the homeland of Jews lol the biblical Israel has nothing to do with the state of Israel of today 😂 in fact Jew in the biblical times meant those from Judea, there was a big difference between Israelites and Judeans. Seems like you need to learn your own history. The Children of God are now Christians because we accepted his Son as our savior.
Well put.
@@carlosm.3426 Those that curse Israel shall be cursed, and those that bless Israel shall be blessed. True born again Christians who know their bible will know that the God of Israel calls for Gentile believers to pray for him to fulfil his promises to his Covenant people the remnant of Israel (Romans 11, Jeremiah 31:7, Isiah 40:1). Now is the time that God is going to arise and show mercy upon Zion for the set time is come (Psalm 102:13). If you believe that God will break his covenant that he made with Abraham! to give him and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob the land of Israel as a possession forever then you do not understand the faithfulness of God. Israel is God's firstborn son. Jesus Christ is Jewish and he will reign over the house of Jacob from Jerusalem forever.
Jesus says to the woman at the well in Samaria that 'salvation is of the Jews.' What this means is that without the Jewish people there would be no patriarchs, no prophets, no bible and no Saviour. Through the unbelief of the Jews, mercy was shown to the Gentile nations and God requires Gentile believers to now show mercy on his chosen heritage Israel.
Note sure I understand when you say Jewish and Palestinians could live together isn't proper Israel 20% population of Palestinians with equal rights? so they actually live together in a democratic country right?.
I'm watching this conversation right now, and what a good and respectful dialog they are having, hopefully they do more conversations on various topics in the future. One question that comes to mind that I would be interested to know is what they know about Muslims and Islam. one simple task that the world needs to do is learn about their neighbors and then we will be closer to having love and respect for all and hatred for none. That is truly the essence of life. :)
Because they mostly agree on everything.
The hug at the end was everything for me
Politicians feed on conflict. People feed on politicians. The media feed both. The problem is misinformation. The real problem, though, is human idiocy. Put simply, human idiocy is nationalism. With nationalism comes borders, physical and perceptual, and these two lead to prejudice and discrimination, which in turn feed politicians who feed the media which feeds people who start to think that they are right, and start to hate.
Conversation is the way forward thank you ❤
Beautiful conversation between beautiful people. Thank you Zevi for putting this into the world!
Thank you brother. It’s an honor.
what an important conversation 16 mins in and Im a new fan! wow beautiful and important
Great convo, thanks for bringing these people together
Cool guys i support what you're doing I'm a born catholic and i think education is the key for peace
PEACE ON, GUYS !!
1:58 stop saying colonization movement!
The only colonization in history are western empires!
Jews did have any support from no country when the very few of them started moving to Palestine in 1888!
It is a colonize movement and even your founding Zionist fathers called it that way, the colonization of Palestine 😂
..And Muslim Empires that colonized people on three continents, and the Japanese in the formation of the totality of the country, and hey how did China get so big, etc..?
Beautiful that these conversations can happen, and moreso ur want to reach all people, hatzlacha can't wait to see how much this grows!
I appreciate the effort in the discussion but you were sugar coating way too much. Tell these guys why they are idiots for protesting with the hamas sympathizers
Leftis usually cut people into groups and try to make each struggle the same and the jihadsts have been using that exploit to infiltrate causes it's sad
all guys in this videos are good people but each is trying to generalize everything without digging deeper to understand the conflict but eventually if they keep the curiosity they would understand better that main goal of the Jews is life
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This is 🔥🔥🔥
To the black guy: If you don’t consider America home even your mom is American then you should find a better country you can call home. And also stop using so many words that you don’t even know what they mean and use them in the most incorrect way. Also Haitians are not persecuted anywhere in the world so it’s in no way the same.
Yeah that dude was a caricature of a "woke studies" student trying to fit as many big woke words that he heard and read as he can trying to sound like an intellectual.
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@@downsideup1003 ??
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Love this video, as an Arab with ties to Palestine as well as someone who has been keeping up very closely with the catastrophes in Gaza, it's easy for me to be radicalised and wary of Jewish people from what I see Netanyahu/Gvir/the IDF perpetrating. It's just responding to hatred with more hatred. I like to be reminded that Jewish people are not a monolith and do not always agree with the Israeli government.
Much love to you all, really important content being made here.
Glossing over 7th of october and the last 1400 years of dhimmi enslavment
Enjoyed this topic. Please do more
Zevi, at some point I hope you offer your thoughts on how Kabbalah can help us pan back and find the perspective inherent in the Shema.
SPOILERS :: they hug at the end 🙏🏼
True😂😂
I liked the last video you did like this, but this one seems like you are explaining Zionism in a weak way to get people to like you. And let's not talk at all about Islamic colonization...
Colonialism and Imperialism are completely different enterprises. Recall that it was in the Islamic Imperium that Jews took refuge in (from Andalusia to Constantinople), flourished, composed works of great genius, etc.
@@Modus07true. Imperialism is a helluva lot worse
@@ozzy7912 Not all empires are created equal… and I am no apologist for imperialism… the center obviously flourishes, even at the cost of the periphery… but the racist, genocidal legacy of colonialism, especially its European variety, is far, far worse. Compare Umayyad Andalusia to British India, or Ottoman Syria to French Algeria. It’s not even close.
guy says israelies came and were hostile MEANWHILE he described his fellow protesters "hounding" the Israeli girl till she cried. disgusting and shameful. this conversation was upsetting to say the least
I like the discussion and listening
They said there was no anti-Israeli sentiment on their campus whatsoever, then relate the story of a young Israeli who literally told the guy "I don't feel safe here." To which he told her she just simply shouldn't be a Zionist. It's not the algorithm that makes you think there is a problem; the people telling you there isn't a problem aren't listening to the one's who say to their faces "I am experiencing this problem."
These sessions are incredibly important. The best way to deal with ignorance is through dialogue.
Ps. People who support Palestine completely ignore what's happening in Xinjiang.
Ypu guys give me hope that in future there will be a country where Palestinians jews Christians druze all will live together in peace
Um
You don't need to hope. For the most part they all live together in peace in Israel.
Jews, Muslims, Christian’s and Druze: live in peace in Israel. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
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it already exists, in israel. it certainly doesn't exist in "Palestine"
Hmmmm..you forgot a significant part of Palestine's population there....
This has such a 1960s folk music vibe. Almost.
As a Jewish student on a NYC campus, I am targeted everyday and quite frankly terrified to come to school. And I am very disappointed in the ignorance this portrays. These boys probably chant “Hillel go to hell” with the rest of them and then say that they don’t see why Jewish students feel unsafe.
I have a lot of criticism towards the government of Israel but the government of Israel has nothing to do with Zionism. Zionism is the belief that the Jews deserve to have a homeland, that's about it. Whether the government's policies are ok or not that's for a different discussion. My grandparents fled from ethnic cleansing in arab countries to a forever home thanks to Zonism.
Zack, no one uses Zionism to hurt someone else, it's much more complicated than that.
I'll just end with the fact that now when antisemitism is increasing around the world, and many Jews look for an immigration to Israel in order to be protected, that's what Zionism is.
Seriously, your answers just make me sad
No words for how much I love this. THIS is what we need. Humans talking to other humans. Levinas - face to face - ruclips.net/video/OGnGB4saHCk/видео.html
Zach is back
As to the person on the left saying the USA shouldn't exist, what should it be replaced with? a Native American state? in a land where they are the minority?
Meh this conversation regarding Zionism is missing much. Too much focus on the “ism” of Zionism being the issue rather than considering Islamism as being even more culpable. Israel isn’t all that different from the huge number of other nations created around that time. It was a time of nation building. Israel set out to establish legally. They purchased land to establish a nation. No arabs lost any land until they attacked Israel. Losing land happens when you attack your neighbors. Israel tried to help create a Palestine. The price was peace and Arabs refused. Yes it’s a shitty situation. Yes both sides share some blame. The fact of the matter is what Israel is guilty of is not sacrificing itself to save the Arabs from their self imposed strike of suffering.
Israel built a state. Israel fought and won the war in 1948.
The guy speaking is well spoken and well intentioned but notice he feels America as well as Israel should fall….
Israel is the greatest story of decolonization. Jesus wasn’t there as part of an occupying force. Jews history is incontestable.
And when we get past the history, the fact of the matter is that it’s Israel NOW. It’s a fully functioning multicultural democracy. Wars were fought.
If you are going to put Israel on a list of nations that “deserve to fall”… whatever… if you are going to ignore all the real genocides and injustices, allow the perpetrators of true genocides judge Israel while ignoring it all…. It’s clear Israel is being targeted.
What truly makes Israel unique? Jews.
There’s no way to destroy Israel without murdering more than half the world’s Jews.
It’s time the nakba reversal fantasies to be abandoned. They are the obstacle to peace.
Regards to your point at 12:55 about using G-d as an excuse for injustice: Yes the land belongs to the Jewish people because G-d gave it to them - but the reason they have to fight is not because of that. It's because it's a Torah law that a Jew needs to defend themselves, as the talmud says 'if someone comes to kill you, rise to kill them first.' Unfortunately Israel has not conducted themselves this way as they should have, preffering to let Gaza turn into a terror stronghold right under their very noses out of fear of 'rocking the boat' and now we are paying a heavy price for exuding such weakness. Had we taken the the Torah (G-ds word) seriously, we would not be in this this position - but again, the 'religious' rationale for using force, comes down to the obligation to be proactive when it comes to self defense. It's not about grabbing land, it's about protecting lives.
God never gave you people anything, you are the descendants of Edomites mixing with Europeans, you are not part of any land ownership by God 😂
It was nice that this episode ended with labels, and Zach was in Mislaibeled.
12:29 invoke. Enjoyed this talk. Thanks yall
The reality is the Muslims of Israel\Palestine have massacred the Jews of that land much longer before there ever been an Israeli state so that two different cultures just doesn't get along together and it has nothing to do with any occupation... The only solution I can see is two states, but history shows one side doesn't want that... So ... That's why we are in the current horrible situation ❤
That's not sure, that's not what in Nakba happened and even before that when the Jwish terrorist group Irgun decided to kill over 90 British soldiers and injury many civilians in a hotel after they bombed it.
1 side is occupying the other, that's what a 3 digit IQ man see. Stop the apartheid and free Palestine
putting a heart at the end of that comment is pretty twisted
What he's talking about happaned way before. Jews gets slaughtered there before in Hebron, Safed and Jaffa. Etzel was'nt exist then. @@carlosm.3426
Excellent. And thank you.
Thank you guys for another great video. I've really enjoyed how you engage with people in such an open manner. A lot of people are quite angry these days, as I am sure you know, with the actions of the state of Israel, and the impunity that it enjoys because of the diplomatic cover that the US gives it. They're angry that the media narrative is lopsided in favor of Israel and that any debate is shut down. They are angry that any criticism of Israel immediately leads to the "antisemitic" accusation. They're angry about Israel and AIPAC's meddling in US politics. So I truly commend you for engaging with people... I just wish the media would have such open discussions, that there would be more intellectual honesty about antisemitism vs criticism of a foreign nation. Particularly if you are American and your tax dollars are funding that nation.
It's actually for once heartwarming to read the comments here about the misrepresentation of Zionism and Israel
I don't agree with all your views on Israel amd zionism
Zionism has an exact definition. It's not about what you think it means
Gd gave land to each nation, the land of the Jewish nation is Israel, just like India is for Indians. The British conquered India and gave it back to the Indians. The Muslims conquered Israel, lost it in a war they started with the Jews and refuse to give up what never was theirs to be taken. The conflict will end when the Palestinians accept their losses and start building a life worth living for their children.
What's the meaning of separating church and state?
12:43 the biblical story is allegory, and that’s really important to know. israelites in the bible conquered canaanites. the truth is, the archaeological record shows that israelites were a subgroup of canaanites who were already living in the region. they had an internal uprising because they felt that things like human sacrifice and animal sacrifice and idolatry etc etc were not what their god wanted of them. the land was not overtaken and canaanites were not destroyed in the way the bible outlines. israelites decided to be better people, with a deeper respect for life, and a deeper respect for morality and goodness. were they perfect? no. but the story in the bible can’t be used against the jewish population in terms of “look what they did in the past” - because they didn’t do that in the past. they picked up and moved to the highlands and started a new life and called themselves israelites, those who “wrestled with god”. this is archaeologically evidenced, and also even hinted at in the bible where jacob “suddenly becomes” israel. that’s exactly what happened in real life, canaanites became israelites.
Perfectly said.
Jews ARE Canaanites. Even modern DNA testing proves that.
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@@weisshalivniwineHow is that BS? I'm interested to know because if you study Paleo-Hebrew it's attested that language evolved from Canaanite script.
Given the story of the Bible, it's plausible that it was constructed to explain a natural separation, and establishment of an Israelite state.
Like how the Ausarian Myth details the constant struggle between Lower and Upper Egypt and the country's eventual union.
You are aware that genetically Palestinians are the ones who are the most similar to ancient Israelites and Canaanites and not the so called modern Jews that are not in Israel? Canaanites/Israelites all became modern day Palestinians, they have been the ones living there even before the biblical times. Some just ended up converting to Christianity through Jesus Christ and then with the rise of Islam, most became Muslim. Their DNA proves they are indigenous.
@@afcomics7184yes but modern day Hebrew has nothing to do with the Hebrew of that time. Modern day Hebrew is a recent invention by European Jws mixing Yiddish and Arabic. Modern Jws do not speak whatsoever Hebrew despite what they like to claim. Everything about them is completely fake and made up, heck, the star of David was never a Jwish symbol, the European Jws adopted that star which Muslims for example once used it as their symbol. The current Jwish identity is just a recent invention but the Bible already warned us about the fake Jws claiming to be Jw but are the synagogue of Satan.
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You are able to sit there and have this conversation because you are in America with freedom of speech. Why do some of you have absolutely no gratitude but hate this county that gave you such privilege? I truly do not understand.
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these guys live in america and wont call it home. im not just talking about my jewish brothers im talking about the guy with the afro too, if your dad came here then you were born here then this is home. my ancestry says im german and english and scottish , does that mean europe is my home? hell no im american
Jeeesus it seems you are the only American to have his mind clear. YES! I'm from Latin America and here it sounds so, so awkward to see you Americans always boasting that you are Italian, African, Irish when most of you have not even crossed your state border. You're all gringos for the rest of the world, and that is what you are! Jesus Christ, when are you going to stop that madness?
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Very poorly informed discussion about zionism and colonisation.
Well, you all certainly have a different view on this than basically all Israeli religious Jews, and the vast majority of American religious Jews as well. Basically all of us are considerably more attached to Israel and Zionism than one would take away from this. Are you all watering down views on this in order to not scare away leftist you may meet, or what? If so, I think being weak about our existence hurts more than helps.
I feel more or less the same. I aways saw Israel as a place flee to if the shit hit the fan and didn't think of it much more beyond this. I have never known what it is to be a Jew more than during this explosion of antisemitism. To not be resilient in the face of hate. To not cower. The purpose for Israel's existence has never been made more clear.
I understand wanting to find common ground with these types of people and fostering constructive and relaxed dialogue, but letting their ignorance go unchallenged isn't the way forward.
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@SeekersofUnity I was introduced to the distinction of political zionism, vs spiritual zionism when the local Yeshiva ostracized and vandalized a Hasidic Rabbi who condemned political zionism as an affront to spiritual zionism- at first they painted swastikas on his house, till he showed the police his doorbell camera showing who really put that there. Then the vandalists stopped hiding, and scratched "traitor" into his car doors, and made death threats against his grandkids, like a bunch of fascists. Right now in Israel, jewish Israeli protesters against the fascist government, military, and against the war crimes are facing far worse treatment. Mean while, the rightwingers claim that protesting Israel's current fascism and war crimes is antisemitism to silence descent. Thank you for your integrity and courage in confronting this narrative, and unfolding these issues for everyone to examine for themselves.
Yes, they infiltrated all aspects, that's why the people have to be sufficiently compassionate and intelligent. If it teaches hate, the victory is futile. The sacrifices are futile. But a holy generation will birth a holy identity. Regardless of outward appearances. ❤
The distinction between political zionism and spiritual/cultural zionism is irrelevant today. The goal of spiritual zionism was to rejuvenate Jewish nationhood by building a hub for secular Jewish culture in the land of Israel. The goal of political zionism was to create a Jewish nation-state. You'll notice that both these goals not only are compatible but actually require one another. You'll also notice that both goals have been achieved, which is why the terms are irrelevant today. The Israeli government doesn't have any fascist characteristics other than being generally right wing. Lastly the protests are not against the Israeli military or the offensive into Gaza other than arab Israelis and the extreme left all of the Israeli public is united in it's backing of the IDF and it's war on hamas. The protestors believe that holding an election would lead to the war being carried out more efficiently
@@whydoi4088 Maybe I misspoke by using the term spiritual zion-ism.
I was referring to the ideas of Zion being a spiritual ideal of reunion between humanity and god; not any version of nationalism, or worldly, political zionism.
whydoi4088: "all of the Israeli public is united in it's backing of the IDF" except I know first hand with my own eyes and thru people I know (jews) some of whom have had to escape Israel because of their stance against the IDF, the war crimes, the drafts, the war, and the right-wing government, and threats of, and actual acts of violence and arrests made on their group.
The protests they were associated with were explicitly anti-war. You are painting with too broad a brush w unilateral generalizations that imagines the Israelis are a monolith, when of course they are not, no group that is so large is. Currently the Israeli government has many fascistic traits (including the lack of democratic elections- as you acknowledged they've lacked, demanding military service, the aim of genocide, the ethnic cleansing being preformed by the IDF, and the suppression of political descent).
@@MrKreinen Zion is just a different name for the city of Jerusalem, so I don't see what your understanding of spiritual zionism has to do with actual concerns of Jewish identity or its relation to Israel
I assumed you were referring to the organized anti-government protests (the ones associated with Kaplan Street) since the number of actual anti-war protests is so small that it's completely irrelevant to internal Israeli politics.
There's no laws against criticizing the IDF or government however Jewish Israelis aren't afraid to voice their outrage over people who speak negatively of soldiers (rightfully so, the only reason those people are alive right now is the soldiers laying down their life to defend them). There are laws against incitement to violence, though it is rarely enforced against leftwing Jews.
The last Israeli election was in 2022, and Israel has a 4 year term. The current government did not postpone the election. Protestors are calling to dissolve the government and hold a new election because lack of confidence, not abuse of the democratic system.
Mandatory service is fairly normal and is not indicative of fascist ideology. Some of the countries that have mandatory military service include South Korea, Finland, and Sweden, which I doubt you'll argue have a fascist government.
You'd think that if the Israeli government had the aim of genocide they'd start working towards achieving that aim, but it's been 9 months, yet they've not acted on their desire. I guess we'll need to wait. Maybe they're waiting until the post Oct 7th sympathies completely vanish, so they can cause maximal outrage?
Strange to say the IDF is performing ethnic cleansing despite the fact that said ethnicity can not leave Gaza. Unless you mean it's only ethnically cleansing the west bank, in which case I want to see what different policies were adopted by this government to start this ethnic cleansing.
Lastly, while unauthorized protests, were disbanded with of what I agree is an unnecessary and exaggerated use of force. Protests for all kinds of causes were still authorized, which is uncharacteristic for a fascist regime
whydoi4088:" I don't see what your understanding of spiritual zionism has to do with actual concerns of Jewish..."
Seriously?
You are that ignorant of well established Jewish spiritualism while talking out your ars so confidently?
whydoi4088:"Zion is just a different name for the city of Jerusalem"
Zion is seen as the ultimate destination in Jewish eschatology. The belief in the eventual coming of the Messiah and the divine redemption is centered on the spiritual renewal of Zion.
This messianic hope is less about physical restoration and more about a profound spiritual transformation, where Zion symbolizes the world to come and the fulfillment of divine promises.
Zion is deeply associated with the Shechinah, the divine presence. Jewish spirituality sees Zion as a metaphor for the place where God’s presence dwells most intimately with humanity.
In Kabbalistic thought, Zion is seen as a symbol of the higher spiritual realms and the divine emanations. The mystics envision Zion as the spiritual epicenter where the physical and the metaphysical intersect.
The writings of the Ari (Rabbi Isaac Luria) and other Kabbalists elaborate on Zion as the place of ultimate spiritual rectification and union with the divine. It is a focal point for mystical meditation and yearning for spiritual elevation.
Through the entire history of the 20th century (and on into the 21st), a sizable number of Jews have seen "political" or "worldly" so-called "zion" as an affront to the spiritual goal or ideal of zion, and to those awaiting the coming of the jewish messiah with a spiritual view of what that means, man-made political or nationalist zion is a blasphemy.
All the way up through the 70s there was a sizable faction of religious jews primarily in the US that rejected the political state of Israel, and its government, while the rightwing coalition of jews in Israel were primarily secular jews. And, together with jewish anti-fascist leftists, the anti-state leftist Jews, and the anti-state religious Jews were large enough to counter the rightwing coalition in Israel. This has unfortunately changed. Through the 90s the anti-state religious faction was promised exception from military service (tho since then it was revoked in 2014 ruclips.net/video/me4FqdrmVBs/видео.html ), and near autonomy in governing their own communities in Israel, bribing them into joining the rightwing coalition, and leaving leftist anti-state jews on their own. On their own, the anti-state leftist are not sizable enough to be much more than a minority youth movement of hippies. In fact, that was one of the reasons the rightwing coalition was trying to block the influx of mostly semi-secular Russian and Ukrainian jews, who were unlikely to support the rightwing coalition in power, but were coming in numbers that would make a difference in the political demographics. Fortunately, they were not able to block the majority of Russian Jews from gaining citizenship, though unfortunately, they have not made as much of a difference as the right once feared, and the left once hoped.
whydoi4088:"...since the number of actual anti-war protests is so small that it's completely irrelevant to internal Israeli politics..." & "...There's no laws against criticizing the IDF"
When the IDF (& rightwing communities) assaults reporters and anti-war protesters, that tends to be seen as the truth; weather that's because the protesters dont want to suffer the punishments of a society that quietly condones the attacks on anti-war protesters which they officially deny, or because the reporters dont want to suffer that punishment (more than a few reporters have said the IDF tried to kill them/get them killed).
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whydoi4088:"The last Israeli election was in 2022, and Israel has a 4 year term. The current government did not postpone the election."
And how long has Benjamin Netanyahu remained in political power? You sound like propaganda about russian "democracy" and Putin. Critics argue that weakening the judiciary could lead to an erosion of checks and balances, concentrating power in the executive branch.There have been legislative initiatives perceived as discriminatory against Israel's Arab minority and other marginalized groups. These initiatives are seen as undermining democratic principles and equality before the law. Concerns have been raised about attempts to control or influence the media and civil society organizations. Restrictions on NGOs and freedom of expression are seen as steps towards authoritarianism. The political rhetoric used by some leaders has been accused of inciting hatred and division, particularly against Arabs, left-wing activists, and other perceived opponents. Such rhetoric is often compared to that used by authoritarian regimes to consolidate power and marginalize dissent. Aggressive military and security policies, including crackdowns on protests and increased use of force, are viewed by some as signs of an authoritarian approach to governance. Overall, there is a perception of democratic backsliding, where democratic norms and institutions are gradually eroded in favor of more centralized and authoritarian control.
But I will admit, exactly what counts as Fascistic (aka like-fascism) really depends on the political leanings of the individual. Rightwingers tend to not only tollerate fascistic erosions of democratic societies, but often harbor out-right fascists in their ranks (for example, in the US all neo-naz support the rightwing). But I suspect Israel is doing what the US has done for decades if not longer---- creating two ritewing parties, one more left than the other on select topics, with the two engaging in a red-herring pseudo-conflict w eachother, so that actual left/progs are painted as minority extremists, and completely left out of the political process. No leftwing progressive in the first world endorses war, theocracy, or ethno-nationalism (and certainly not mandatory military service).
whydoi4088:"Mandatory service is fairly normal and is not indicative of fascist ideology." "Israelis aren't afraid to voice their outrage over people who speak negatively of soldiers (rightfully so, the only reason those people are alive right now is the soldiers laying down their life to defend them)."
So it seems obvious where you fall on the world political spectrum; no wonder you don't recognize fascistic trends.
whydoi4088:"You'd think that if the Israeli government had the aim of genocide they'd start working towards achieving that aim, but it's been 9 months, yet they've not acted on their desire." and "Strange to say the IDF is performing ethnic cleansing despite the fact that said ethnicity can not leave Gaza. "
Really? Theres no shortage of reports of IDF systematic rap3s.
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whydoi4088, you seem to be a fount of rightwing propaganda with shockingly absent knowledge of descenting politics and jewish spirituality.
You should probably do more learning before you condescend to others as if you know what you're talking about.
Hey, at least you are certainly on the right channel to learn about jewish spirituality.
But Israel is prepared to leave in peace, if Palestinians do
And Palestinians are not, according to all polls done by them